Childfree Coworker Says She Has Plans Instead Of Helping Colleague, Defends Herself Online After Colleague Catches Her Having A Solo Picnic
InterviewThere are two kinds of people in this world: those who view their colleagues as family and those for whom work ceases to exist as soon as they punch out.
Recently, reddit user “Flashy-Menu-5587” was pressured into feeling guilty for not taking one for the team after a colleague asked to cover for her because of her daughter’s recital. Feeling that people have no right to shame someone for choosing personal time over helping colleagues out, the author of the post turned to the trusted “Am I the [Jerk]” community to get an external perspective.
Some people prefer to be strict about their work-life ethics, even if that doesn’t gel with colleagues’ expectations
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So this woman was surprised when all of a sudden she was shamed for choosing personal time over helping a colleague out
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Misunderstandings like this help to explain why bonding with coworkers is falling out of favor
While there’s an undeniable truth that the social cohesion of the mid-twentieth century has changed for better or worse, accelerated by remote or hybrid work models that came into fashion after the pandemic forced us to reprogram how we perceive work-life balance; it’s actually been in decline for decades now.
As the Joint Economic Committee of the US Congress found in its report, “Between the mid-1970s and 2012, the average amount of time Americans between the ages of 25 and 54 spent with their coworkers outside the workplace fell from about two-and-a-half hours to just under one hour [per week].” Combine that with a recent study done by BetterUp, claiming that almost 1-in-2 (American) workers define their colleagues just as coworkers, and you could think that most of us treat our workspace friendships as purely transactional.
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Despite where we cross the line between workplace and personal life, studies show that people who feel part of the team and can rely on colleagues have a significantly lower chance of burnout. Of course, each to his/her/their own, as this story proves.
Still, more and more workers feel less inclined to socialize and get to know colleagues outside work because of the increasing turnover rates, stating relationships with coworkers as the least important factor of job satisfaction. Surprisingly, Gen Z members are the ones who value being part of the workplace tribe the most, with numbers dropping almost twofold compared to people in their 40s.
Although Flashy-Menu-5587’s boundaries clashed with the expectations some colleagues had for her, stories such as this is an important reminder that no two people are the same and their notion of workplace relationships might be totally different. That’s why the golden rule of thumb in similar cases is to treat others the way you want to be treated yourself. After all, no man is an island.
The author also clarified a few things about the situation
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In recent years, you might have seen articles such as ‘The unspoken bias that child-free working women face’ (She Defined) or ‘Child-free workers aren’t selfish. They’re being exploited’ (CNN) appearing one by one in various publications. Part of the reason why that is, of course, lies in numbers: as one recent study has found, more than 1-in-5 Americans nowadays don’t want to have children. The other, uglier half of the truth is a bit more problematic.
“Because we live in a pronatalist society — that is, one that highly values reproduction and having children — it becomes easy to denigrate those who choose not to have children,” Debra Mollen, a professor, and researcher of childfree women at Texas Woman’s University, explained to Bored Panda. “One possibility is that some parents envy childfree people, although because this idea is so taboo, parents are unable to articulate it.”
As a case in her point, Debra points to multiple studies that show that throughout the years, starting as early as 2002, childfree women have been statistically viewed as more career-driven, less warm, and less sympathetic than their child-bearing counterparts. “As such, childfree women have reported being tasked with working overtime, working less desirable shifts, and being expected to provide coverage for their parenting colleagues.”
Debra, who is childfree herself, believes that one way to fix this growing issue is to reevaluate the classic definition of ‘family’. “One suggestion is to stop equating having a family with raising children. Having a family is much broader than traditional definitions and can unwittingly exclude many people who don’t have children,” Mollen reasoned.
Someone raised an important question about the author’s morale
Another big hurdle for many men and women alike, who feel like they might be discriminated against for choosing not to have any children, is the notion that they’re missing out on a vital life experience. “Even as more women opt not to have children, widespread romanticized notions about parenting persist,” Mollen said.
“There are still taboos about enumerating the many benefits of remaining childfree alongside similar proscriptions against discussing parenting as anything other than inherently fulfilling and satisfying.” As Debra notes, in 2011, a research found that many parents prefer to keep rose-colored glasses to cope with the challenges of raising children.
Is there a solution, then? Mollen believes that communication is the key. “We both need to have more honest conversations about parenting and provide more opportunities for people to consider and enact being childfree as an excellent choice with many tangible and intangible benefits.”
Most people, however, sided with the author saying there’s nothing wrong with drawing a clear line in the sand
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Share on FacebookFor the life of me, I will never understand why so many parents seem to feel entitled to childfree people's time. I was not involved in your decision to have kids, I'm not sacrificing my time off just because you elected to have kids, or can't manage your time or workload.
I have a child and understand that other people are entitled to live their life the way they choose. My family is my responsibility, child-free families have their own responsibilities. Many times, as a shift manager, I would need to find coverage for shifts. If someone said no, I accepted that answer and moved down the phone list. I would have to pull double shifts if necessary, even though it angered my wife because we had plans, but that is business. I eventually left because I seemed to be the only manager willing to work double shifts, more than the general manager that everyone adored....
Load More Replies...So what's the reason why the mother co-worker didn't manage to do her workload in her normal working time? Especially when she knows she has to go to her daughters recital afterwards? Is it because she sozialiced as much and couldn't bring herself to buckle up for that day? Then it is pretty much an audacity to ask someone else to do her work afterwards...
yep, that's what OP implied. The coworker wasted time instead of working, but then suddenly she had to go, so her unfinished work had to be done by someone else. If the recital was soooo important, she would have worked in order to go instead of try to p**n her work to someone else
Load More Replies...I applaud the OP for the work/life separation. And I think the coworker is being pissy because she doesn't value OP's quiet time. Expect that people's lives are important to them and don't ask your coworker to work overtime for you. If someone wants to do their job and then leave work at work to maintain a healthy mind you can absolutely respect that.
She's a typical entitled parent. She doesn't respect that just because the asker doesn't have kids that she still has her own life.
Load More Replies...I would work with OP in a heartbeat. No drama, no chit chatty gossiping, no whining about needing help. And NO expectations of hanging out after work, office party c**p or weekend shopping trips. I have always kept my personal life and office life separate. I had co-workers for over 20 years that weren't even aware I was married or that I lived a very different life outside of work. I loved it, I wouldn't even become Facebook friends with them when it became popular. Not even when the director demanded he was to be "friended" by all of his reportees, I just refused. Frankly, I would have told this woman, when she started her tirade, that a lack of planning on her part does not constitute and emergency on my part. I would also let her know that if she continued to harass me, she will be reported to her to her supervisor and HR for creating a hostile work environment.
I just don't know why does this person is looking for other people opinions. Of course she will probably blacklisted by everyone else when she will need help (if this will happen someday), but she looks to be OK with that. So I honestly don't know why was she looking for opinions.
That's true! Why is she looking for opinions? If she doesn't care about others, wouldn't that include what the others are thinking?
Load More Replies...how is someone else's responsability and activities my problem or anyone else's problem ?
I will say this, it’s absolutely not. You can do everything within your rights and what remains ‘in your problem’ and still be seen as an a*****e, just because helping people and being nice is what not-a*****e people do. Idk, that’s just how I see it.
Load More Replies...Yeah I'm surprised the OP is concerned whether or now they might be an AH. However my strategy is much the same but I'm not as a**l. I do have 3 kids, but they are my responsibility and I am very organized and would never expect a favor or assistance from coworkers. My work ethic is to be on time, get right to work and not hang out in a break room or coworkers office etc. I'm always pleasant but never waste time with chit chat or gossip because I truly don't care. I never mention whether I am married or that I have kids, never discuss my hobbies, pets or what my plans are. Coworkers are just that, they aren't your friends or family they are simply people employed at the same place as you. Besides employees aren't being paid to socialize and shoot the s**t they are there to do their job. I always complete my workload before my shift ends and have everything ready for the next day. I'm not rude nor due I ignore coworkers I just don't allow myself to be in a position to be asked personal
A failure to plan on your part does not constitute an emergency or an obligation on my part. OP is my new hero and I would love to work with her! I have the same expectations for a life/work balance.
Sorry, but I only learned quite recently that employers and co-workers are not really my friends, so I’m done the work I am paid for, that is it. I’ve been that person that helped lazy co-workers get their work done and guess what? I got nothing in return. I even lent a woman money when I was younger (buy a lunch here, a pack of smokes there) and then she refused to pay me back. I also handled her job as well as mine when she went on maternity leave, which saved my employer having to hire a temp, and do you think I was rewarded for my diligence and hard work? I think I got a measly cost of living increase the next evaluation time. My personal time is just that, and it’s none of your damn business what I do with it.
1, our society is sick in how it raises people to expect labor from women involving children, even when the children aren't our own. 2, it's her managers job to cover her, not her coworker's. 3, the commenter who said she sounded on the spectrum is 100% out of line. Having and enforcing boundaries isn't akin to being on the spectrum at ALL and just because it is a foreign concept to most workers, it doesn't actually make it in any way abnormal or unhealthy. You don't owe anyone your personal time or personal information or your extra labor. If the company needs more labor done it can hire more people.
You are not technically wrong. However, the business world is a competitive place. If I were to choose between two workers, one of them being a team player who helps others and keeps the space friendly, I would choose them over an individual who is strictly into their "alone time" even though I knew he was more efficient. It's simple. Numerous studies have proven that work culture is something people look for, they want to make friends, they want to help each other, they want to have parties and friendly bosses. So employing an individualist makes no sense as it creates an unfriendly atmosphere which in some cases makes people leave. Employing a person like this only makes sense in very specific cases (such as within jobs that really require one person to finish it and it does not require any human interaction).
Load More Replies...For the life of me, I will never understand why so many parents seem to feel entitled to childfree people's time. I was not involved in your decision to have kids, I'm not sacrificing my time off just because you elected to have kids, or can't manage your time or workload.
I have a child and understand that other people are entitled to live their life the way they choose. My family is my responsibility, child-free families have their own responsibilities. Many times, as a shift manager, I would need to find coverage for shifts. If someone said no, I accepted that answer and moved down the phone list. I would have to pull double shifts if necessary, even though it angered my wife because we had plans, but that is business. I eventually left because I seemed to be the only manager willing to work double shifts, more than the general manager that everyone adored....
Load More Replies...So what's the reason why the mother co-worker didn't manage to do her workload in her normal working time? Especially when she knows she has to go to her daughters recital afterwards? Is it because she sozialiced as much and couldn't bring herself to buckle up for that day? Then it is pretty much an audacity to ask someone else to do her work afterwards...
yep, that's what OP implied. The coworker wasted time instead of working, but then suddenly she had to go, so her unfinished work had to be done by someone else. If the recital was soooo important, she would have worked in order to go instead of try to p**n her work to someone else
Load More Replies...I applaud the OP for the work/life separation. And I think the coworker is being pissy because she doesn't value OP's quiet time. Expect that people's lives are important to them and don't ask your coworker to work overtime for you. If someone wants to do their job and then leave work at work to maintain a healthy mind you can absolutely respect that.
She's a typical entitled parent. She doesn't respect that just because the asker doesn't have kids that she still has her own life.
Load More Replies...I would work with OP in a heartbeat. No drama, no chit chatty gossiping, no whining about needing help. And NO expectations of hanging out after work, office party c**p or weekend shopping trips. I have always kept my personal life and office life separate. I had co-workers for over 20 years that weren't even aware I was married or that I lived a very different life outside of work. I loved it, I wouldn't even become Facebook friends with them when it became popular. Not even when the director demanded he was to be "friended" by all of his reportees, I just refused. Frankly, I would have told this woman, when she started her tirade, that a lack of planning on her part does not constitute and emergency on my part. I would also let her know that if she continued to harass me, she will be reported to her to her supervisor and HR for creating a hostile work environment.
I just don't know why does this person is looking for other people opinions. Of course she will probably blacklisted by everyone else when she will need help (if this will happen someday), but she looks to be OK with that. So I honestly don't know why was she looking for opinions.
That's true! Why is she looking for opinions? If she doesn't care about others, wouldn't that include what the others are thinking?
Load More Replies...how is someone else's responsability and activities my problem or anyone else's problem ?
I will say this, it’s absolutely not. You can do everything within your rights and what remains ‘in your problem’ and still be seen as an a*****e, just because helping people and being nice is what not-a*****e people do. Idk, that’s just how I see it.
Load More Replies...Yeah I'm surprised the OP is concerned whether or now they might be an AH. However my strategy is much the same but I'm not as a**l. I do have 3 kids, but they are my responsibility and I am very organized and would never expect a favor or assistance from coworkers. My work ethic is to be on time, get right to work and not hang out in a break room or coworkers office etc. I'm always pleasant but never waste time with chit chat or gossip because I truly don't care. I never mention whether I am married or that I have kids, never discuss my hobbies, pets or what my plans are. Coworkers are just that, they aren't your friends or family they are simply people employed at the same place as you. Besides employees aren't being paid to socialize and shoot the s**t they are there to do their job. I always complete my workload before my shift ends and have everything ready for the next day. I'm not rude nor due I ignore coworkers I just don't allow myself to be in a position to be asked personal
A failure to plan on your part does not constitute an emergency or an obligation on my part. OP is my new hero and I would love to work with her! I have the same expectations for a life/work balance.
Sorry, but I only learned quite recently that employers and co-workers are not really my friends, so I’m done the work I am paid for, that is it. I’ve been that person that helped lazy co-workers get their work done and guess what? I got nothing in return. I even lent a woman money when I was younger (buy a lunch here, a pack of smokes there) and then she refused to pay me back. I also handled her job as well as mine when she went on maternity leave, which saved my employer having to hire a temp, and do you think I was rewarded for my diligence and hard work? I think I got a measly cost of living increase the next evaluation time. My personal time is just that, and it’s none of your damn business what I do with it.
1, our society is sick in how it raises people to expect labor from women involving children, even when the children aren't our own. 2, it's her managers job to cover her, not her coworker's. 3, the commenter who said she sounded on the spectrum is 100% out of line. Having and enforcing boundaries isn't akin to being on the spectrum at ALL and just because it is a foreign concept to most workers, it doesn't actually make it in any way abnormal or unhealthy. You don't owe anyone your personal time or personal information or your extra labor. If the company needs more labor done it can hire more people.
You are not technically wrong. However, the business world is a competitive place. If I were to choose between two workers, one of them being a team player who helps others and keeps the space friendly, I would choose them over an individual who is strictly into their "alone time" even though I knew he was more efficient. It's simple. Numerous studies have proven that work culture is something people look for, they want to make friends, they want to help each other, they want to have parties and friendly bosses. So employing an individualist makes no sense as it creates an unfriendly atmosphere which in some cases makes people leave. Employing a person like this only makes sense in very specific cases (such as within jobs that really require one person to finish it and it does not require any human interaction).
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