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40 Things That Immediately Ruin A Movie As Pointed Out By Folks In This Online Group
After seeing a good amount of movies, you start to see the patterns in the story lines, in the way certain characters are portrayed and even can quite easily guess the events that were supposed to be unexpected plot twists. The predictability might be one of the factors why a movie could be considered to be bad or at least boring.
But Reddit users have many more reasons that completely ruin a movie that initially seemed promising. User lawyeratyourservice asked “What ruins a movie instantly?” and people provided their opinions on what movie directors’ decisions distract them from enjoying the movie or make it annoying altogether.
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You most probably had or have to write essays or stories during some of your lessons at school. And even if writing is one of your strengths, you know that the process can be tiresome and you are not always satisfied with the result. What may be even more frustrating is that you might not know how to fix it.
For most people, creative writing or pros and cons essays end when they finish school, but those who feel that their writing skills are better than average might choose it as their career path. They get to know how a good story is written and what it needs to be captivating and interesting, even though there will be people, like those on Reddit, who will find some of their ideas annoying.
When it’s so dark you actually can’t see what is happening. Also characters that’s mumble their lines. Drives me nuts
That all the major issues could be solved by a simple conversation but instead "No, I dont have time to explain", leading to force conflict from misunderstanding.
If people did the sensible thing in situations it would make for very short films.
Bored Panda reached out to a screenwriter to find out more about the process of writing a script. We got in touch with Juliet Giglio, a screenwriter who attended NYU Grad Film school and now is a screenwriting professor at SUNY Oswego.
She also works as a screenwriter with her husband Keith Giglio and worked on such films like Disney’s Tarzan, Pizza My Heart, Return to Halloweentown, Joshua, and A Cinderella Story. They also are publishing their first novel this year called The Summer Of Christmas.
Forced romance. Sometimes movies don't need it and that's ok.
running through wilderness in heels for the majority of a movie. IRKSOME.
We asked her what the screenwriting process looks like and what it all starts with. Juliet Giglio explained, “The process of screenwriting begins when you come up with the idea (the logline) and then begin fleshing out the story. This is typically done with index cards or using a program like trello.com that helps to organize the story. From there you create an outline (Google Docs works well). After you have a very fleshed-out outline and you know what will happen in all of the scenes, you can begin writing the script, using a screenplay software. Screenwriting is ALL about structure. It's 3 acts (with act 2 broken in half) and 8 sequences.”
I watch movies with subtitles. When they speak a different language and it just says "speaks foreign language." Especially when it's not just a few lines, but actual dialog.
When people figure out someone’s password in literally no time.
If they didn't the film would be too long and viewers would loose interest.
Very often, when you watch movies, some unexplainable things that happen in the beginning of the movie are implicitly explained later on and you may wonder if that was planned from the start or if the screenwriter came up with it as they went along. Juliet Giglio told us that “You definitely need to know the ending of the script before you begin writing so that you know what you're going toward.”
Sex. No seriously. When I see a movie labelled "Action/Thriller", I want action or thriller. I do not want the undercover spy to start diving deep inside some random girl who may or may not be involved in the plot.
When there's a scene that's just advertising a brand.
This movie reminds me of the half-assed moment where the main character removes their glasses and becomes hot all of a sudden. Kills the movie for me
The "exotic foreign country" yellow filter.
The most challenging part of screenwriting, according to Giglio, is “Breaking the story and figuring out who the characters are is the most challenging and can take at least a month if done properly. Once the story is fully fleshed out, the actual writing of the script isn't as hard.”
You may think that maybe screenwriters shouldn’t take so much time developing a character because the actor will do that for them, but it is one of the biggest misconceptions about screenwriting and our expert says clearly that actors don’t make up their own dialogue. “Sure, there can be some improvisation on set, but typically actors stick to the lines because they know they work for their character.”
Characters that are brought back alive just to keep the show moving
knowing the story from a book and the adaption is just not meeting expectations
See the movie first then read the book to see how it should have been done.
MLD802 said:
Breaking the rules they set
BadDudes4Life2018 replied:
The Walking Dead did this so blatantly, that I couldn’t watch it anymore. First season: Walkers can smell us so we have to cover ourselves in rotting meat to escape. Second season: Oh that hoard of Walkers can’t smell us with this car in between us and them.
TWD had so much bad writing. I stuck with it for a while because I thought "It's a zombie show - it doesn't have to be realistic." Eventually, I just coul;dn't stand anymore.
To conclude, we asked how Giglio herself would answer the question the redditor gave as we were quite interested to know what a professional thinks. She told us that for her, a movie is ruined “When the inciting incident is rushed. Before we can throw a problem at our hero, we need to get to know them first. See what their life is like if the movie never happens. If we don't fully grasp who the hero is, then we won't be as invested in the movie.”
Let us know what you think about the screenwriter’s insights and if anything surprised you. Also, did anyone mention the thing that makes you not want to rewatch a movie? Upvote the ones that you agree with and if nobody shares the same opinion as you, share it in the comments!
When the two main characters fall in love quickly, especially if they start out hating each other. Most recently: Jungle Cruise. It would have been a good movie without them falling in love. They could have just been friends.
Yeah. Why media forces romance all the time? I have barely ever seen a movie where the protagonist doesnt fall in love with "the girl". Friendship and family relations exist people. Why not making a movie about two siblings (of different sex) or two best friends who dont like each other romantically.
treedemolisher said:
Heavy makeup and perfect hair. How am I supposed to enjoy a post-apocalyptic movie when the lead actress looks like a beauty pageant contestant? Drives me insane.
fly-not-fox replied:
God this is season 2 of Witcher! Was watching it last night with my partner and we kept commenting on the pink lipstick someone was wearing. It kept pulling us out of the moment, which was driving me mad.
What gets me is perfect teeth. A character is captured for months or out in the woods, covered in dirt yet their teeth are pearly white.
Firing more ammo than the gun actually holds without reloading. Car keys in sun visors. Hacking a protected computer system in seconds.
Slightlyunlucky said:
People driving in films and talking and NEVER looking at the road. That ruins it and makes it not believable
TheBravan replied:
Olivia Wilde 'driving' in Tron....
When the story includes, "the magic was inside you all along" cliché
ImReellySmart said:
In superhero movies when the balance of someone's abilities constantly changes.
Especially in fight scenes when a character could end the fight in 2 seconds but that doesnt allow for an epic battle scene so instead that character just randomly decided to avoid using their most valuable abilities.
This completely takes me out of the moment.
Rubels replied:
The Flash series lost me because of this issue.. literally every fight with a non speedster would be over in 0.2 seconds
This one bothers me a lot especially in superman movies
Dregoralive said:
Background actors in fight/war scenes waiting for their turn to attack the main character
xasdfx666 said:
Throne room sceen in star wars 8. The red guards just keep spinning for no reason or obviously miss their hits on purpose. Its so dumb.
Successful_Morning95 said:
Characters acting out of character just to make the plot work. Immediately makes me see them as puppets for storytelling rather than people and I stop caring about them.
Bot8556 replied:
The last 2 seasons of Game of thrones
Daenerys was absolutely NOT out of character. She was a power hungry tyrant since the end of season one. She always showed signs of anger and violence when someone disagreed with her or she didn't get her way.
Showing and then telling anyway/ treating the audience like idiots.
Time period movies where every car looks like it just drove off the lot. What cars never get dirty in movies?!?
liashor56 said:
A bad accent
stevenmeyerjr replied:
House of Gucci why didn’t we just get some actual Italians to act for the main parts?
I thought actors were supposed to be able to successfully pretend to be someone else, it being the actual job description
When they repeat the same sentence 2-3-10 times in the story for no reason, just to have a kind of motto.
Probably cringy pop culture references that will be soon outdated.
As long as it makes money in the moment, they don't care.
when you indentify the protagonist love interest 5 minutes in
Trying to explain unexplainable things with quantum mechanics, nanotechnology, worm holes, etc
this is classical trope. they always turn the newest popular science theories to make plots work. In Frankenstein was electricity, people knew about electricity, but many couldn't understand it. War Worlds, were germs. in the 50's and 60's was radioactivity and nuclear power. in the 80' and 90's DNA, like in X-Men...people know about them, but they are still close to magic for most
S***ty fight scenes where I can barely tell what I’m looking at
When it starts following a familiar formula. Basically when s**t gets predictable.
Warkitz said:
When you know an actor was chosen for the role for their fame and not for the casting.
AllPowerfulSaucier replied:
It’s getting more and more commonplace too. Especially with movies put out by streaming services like Netflix just jamming celebrities in to get more viewers. I just watched Don’t Look Up yesterday and Ariana Grande felt force fed to the movie audience any time she was on screen (Kid Cudi was a bit too but he’s not as recognizable as Ariana).
Characters not showing emotion when someone passes away. Often they look a bit sad for one shot, and then the movie continues like nothing happened. Totally takes me out of the movie.
I don't necessarily agree. I personally don't really react physically to things. Some people think things pass over my head but they don't. The fact that I don't show does not mean I don't process. Don't expect your own kind of reaction from others.
When they use CGI to make an almost 80-year-old man look like a 40-year-old but he still moves like an 80-year-old when trying to kick a poor shopkeepers a**.
Cringey and inappropriate use of gen z slang
I will say when they have a whole well designed space suit or futuristic outfit or something that has a helmet to it or face cover that would normally always stay on or be on 80% of the time, BUT they just decide to never wear it or are constantly taking it off to remind us of the "famous actor" who is playing that person.
I've also seen a few movies where a character will have a whole really cool looking space suit or battle attire, only to ditch the whole thing at the beginning and go the rest of the movie looking like the most generic person ever.
Rule no. 1: When on a distant planet where other crewmembers have died under mysterious circumstances YOU DO NOT TAKE YOUR HELMET OFF HAVEN'T YOU EVER HEARD OF AIRBORNE DISEASES
xluqx said:
Overanimated, overacted friend of the main character.
[deleted] said:
Akwafina in Shang-Chi. She’s good but she was over the top in this one.
justmoochin said:
Cringey dialogue, takes me right out the scene, in fact I want to leave the scene
Potatobender44 replied:
The entirety of Free Guy. Like every single line. Especially f**king Antwan
Women waking up with fresh make-up and their hair styled. I mean, have you met women? Like, at all?
Oddly specific, but I hate it when the twist villain is one of the main character's parents or close loved one and their excuse for being villainous is "I only did it to protect you" or "I did it for us" but when putting that logic into the context of their actions it just makes no sense as to why
I would add period pieces where every character, except the antagonists, has surprisingly modern, progressive and tolerant views. It really bugs me when a film is trying to ignore the problems of History and the many people who have fought to change them.
I hate the "blow-to-the-head equals harmless unconsciousness for a convenient period of time." It's in so many movies, and instantly takes me out of the experience. That's not how any of this works.
I realised that recently because someone else pointed it out and ruined many movies for me: in most Christmas movies the parents never believe in Santa but somehow their kids get presents that noone wonders where they come from!! It's either Santa or a creepy person that wants to seduce your kid!! Well, which version you prefer?
If the protagonist has a kid, you KNOW this kid will have troubles at school. If the protagonist has a pregnant wife/girlfriend, you KNOW the protagonist will not be there for the ultrasound as promised.
Need to inspect a scary dark basement/dungeon/cave? Make sure to bring a flashlight that casts a very narrow beam that only illuminates a very small area. Also make absolutely sure its batteries are near dead, and you have to keep smacking the flashlight to keep it working.
I hate it when anyone is playing on a console holding a controller or typing on a computer. All fingers going wildly but it's obvious nothing is happening. People who game know you don't act like that.
Relying on CGI effects instead of actually interesting movies and plots and character development. It's a movie, it isn't supposed to be an advertisement for CGI.
Most movies /series are in summer. The clothes always look so good. No matter what's their jobs they always have super amazing houses.
OOooo and if there's an atheist character at some point they will have an 'enlightening' moment or suddenly believe in god or suddenly consider the possibility. That's like asking a grown a** adult to suddenly start believing in santa clause and the easter bunny. Not saying it never happens, but on screen, every single freakin time they consider this some kind of character growth. For once I want to see the bible thumper on screen just say ' you know, god may be a figment of mans imagination'.
For me it's the "scientist" who is an expert in pretty much anything that sounds sciency, like computer architecture, coding, astrophysics, neurology, mathematics, genetics... but is like 23. Dude, it would take you at least 10 years to be an expert in any of these fields! Also the magical centrifuge that does anything from sequencing to synthesizing vaccines. I wish I had that centrifuge, all mine does is spin.
Ok this is weirdly specific but it annoys me that at the start of EVERY movie, you have to watch the little ident for each studio (like the MGM lion etc) and there are always about 3 of them. And THEN the first bit of the movie is always 'studio x presents, in association with studio y, a studio z production' and it's obviously the same goddamn studios...like, I know, you've said it once already!!
Violence. Why is there so much violence? I hate it. European countries manage to make films without violence. Why can't the US? So many f*****g guns. It normalises them.
And things like a 120 lb woman taking on a 200+ lbs over 6 foot man and easily flipping him with her weight
Two things:- 1. don't people ever get PTSD after all the killing, near death experiences, etc? 2. I hate super -heroes, detectives, scientists, etc. It gets boring 'cos they always win. So they have to have super-villains to make it interesting. Turns out we'd be safer without them.
No one ever locking their doors, the way people answer and hang up phones, characters never going to the bathroom, drug addicts aways being gross and unkept which isn't true... And my number one is how woman are always for some reason wearing heels. Even to work, most women wear flats and it's rare to see 6 inch heels being worn by literally anyone.
95% of a superhero fight scene: Destroy entire city blocks, taking out residences, businesses and vehicles using explosive antics and haphazard projectiles, with wanton disregard for anyone but you and the bad guy. 2% of a superhero fight scene: stop everything you're doing to save this one random person because you're super nice and they are more important than other people for some reason. Final scene of a superhero fight scene: Decide not to kill the bad guy because killing is wrong.
Firstly - US always saving the world. Secondly - female protagonists always ready to go on an adventure without having to say 'hang on, we'll be gone for a while, need to get some tampons'.
When the producers don't check twice the locations names of the story they're telling. (Villa Gesell is a city on the atlantic coast, not a city on the Andes mountains). I guess that the town they wanted to picture was Bariloche or Villa La Angostura). Also, in that scene, one of the characters uses a mexican slang ("cabrón"), which is not used in Argentina. x-men-vill...59fbb6.jpg
Plot armor and making the enemy being absolutely stupid - best example would be "Fury". Brad Pitt would have been dead in the first encounter, if not there than in the city by sticking his head out in full sight of a sniper and at the very least after getting hit 2 times by a Tiger tank on point blank range.
Loads of horses but no s**t and their constant whinny / neigh (?) , running away with bags of gold bars, running in high heels.
How did the most infamous cringe phrase not get posted up here? ‘I/You got this” Every single serie or movie without fail!!!! Ruins it for me every time!!!
The surprise kiss. You can get charged for doing that in real life.
Guys, we've all forgotten ONE trope.... TRAILER GUY VOICE. "Boom. In 2051. Skyscrapers. The world. Has gone to s**t. BOOM. Cut scene. The military. Don't know what to do. Soldiers on phones. General. Bald. Lots of ribbons. BOOM. But one man, can save them all. Looking up at hero with stubble. White guy, obviously, handsome, has hair. BOOM. Cut scene. Crazy action scene. Guns. Car chases. BOOM. 2051. Coming this summer."
Post-apocalyptic worlds where the protagonist is a 19 year old girl who discovered she has powers and is super good despite them only having emerged a week before. Oh yeah, and she’s not like other girls. And she’s not hot (she is). Also showing every graphic detail of a torture scene. At that point, I’m just going to leave because I can’t watch that.
Time travel stories. Because it doesn't matter what kind of way you decide to use to travel through time, you WILL create either a plothole or a paradox, and you WILL ignore it, and it will completely break how your world is supposed to work. (this is technically an extension of the "break their own rules" towards the top of the list) Looking at you especially Avenger Endgame.
horror movies: theres always these characters, a dumbass (usually a blond woman) theres the religious nutcase, lets not forget the overly angry man who thinks he knows everything/whats best, the cop whos always late to everything and most of the time isnt the sharpest tool in the shed plus theres the couple who think having sex in a dangerous situation is a good idea, the drug addict, the black guy that dies near the start and the most annoying is what i like to call the scooby doo guy "lets split up and look for clues"
That episode of Big Bang theory where Sheldon is just sitting in the armchair season two
The worst one is in Star Wars when Padma just prances out of her ship pregnant with twins and begging Anakin not to go instead of waddling out and flipping out on him.
Over the topcar crashing explosion action scenes where you can see the fireworks going off. Looking at you, Michael Bay. Speaking of, scanty dressed women walking by as "eye candy" and women and/or kids getting killed for man pain reasons. Lame.
When two characters are fighting and the protagonist is about to be killed by the villian, when suddenly the person the villain had previously killed, usually the protagonist's love interest or family member, comes back to life and kills the villain and the movie ends with everyone sitting in the ambulance with the police cordoning off the crime scene.
Kick ass female characters who win all physical fights but are cast as skinny model types with no muscle tone (and who I look at and say, I could totally take em). 2) when a character is seriously hurt in an accident then is running around the next day like nothing hurts. Like, if your face is mashed to a pulp like that you would not be emoting your face like that. Or after the fight scene the love interest gives the hero a big hug for the kiss scene, awww. But really he'd be like, oww, not so tight, that hurts!
I REALLY hate when someone has to get somewhere fast (house, bus station, school) and instead of pulling up close to a door, they park 1/2 block away and run a mile . . . across a field, down the street!
Women waking up with fresh make-up and their hair styled. I mean, have you met women? Like, at all?
Oddly specific, but I hate it when the twist villain is one of the main character's parents or close loved one and their excuse for being villainous is "I only did it to protect you" or "I did it for us" but when putting that logic into the context of their actions it just makes no sense as to why
I would add period pieces where every character, except the antagonists, has surprisingly modern, progressive and tolerant views. It really bugs me when a film is trying to ignore the problems of History and the many people who have fought to change them.
I hate the "blow-to-the-head equals harmless unconsciousness for a convenient period of time." It's in so many movies, and instantly takes me out of the experience. That's not how any of this works.
I realised that recently because someone else pointed it out and ruined many movies for me: in most Christmas movies the parents never believe in Santa but somehow their kids get presents that noone wonders where they come from!! It's either Santa or a creepy person that wants to seduce your kid!! Well, which version you prefer?
If the protagonist has a kid, you KNOW this kid will have troubles at school. If the protagonist has a pregnant wife/girlfriend, you KNOW the protagonist will not be there for the ultrasound as promised.
Need to inspect a scary dark basement/dungeon/cave? Make sure to bring a flashlight that casts a very narrow beam that only illuminates a very small area. Also make absolutely sure its batteries are near dead, and you have to keep smacking the flashlight to keep it working.
I hate it when anyone is playing on a console holding a controller or typing on a computer. All fingers going wildly but it's obvious nothing is happening. People who game know you don't act like that.
Relying on CGI effects instead of actually interesting movies and plots and character development. It's a movie, it isn't supposed to be an advertisement for CGI.
Most movies /series are in summer. The clothes always look so good. No matter what's their jobs they always have super amazing houses.
OOooo and if there's an atheist character at some point they will have an 'enlightening' moment or suddenly believe in god or suddenly consider the possibility. That's like asking a grown a** adult to suddenly start believing in santa clause and the easter bunny. Not saying it never happens, but on screen, every single freakin time they consider this some kind of character growth. For once I want to see the bible thumper on screen just say ' you know, god may be a figment of mans imagination'.
For me it's the "scientist" who is an expert in pretty much anything that sounds sciency, like computer architecture, coding, astrophysics, neurology, mathematics, genetics... but is like 23. Dude, it would take you at least 10 years to be an expert in any of these fields! Also the magical centrifuge that does anything from sequencing to synthesizing vaccines. I wish I had that centrifuge, all mine does is spin.
Ok this is weirdly specific but it annoys me that at the start of EVERY movie, you have to watch the little ident for each studio (like the MGM lion etc) and there are always about 3 of them. And THEN the first bit of the movie is always 'studio x presents, in association with studio y, a studio z production' and it's obviously the same goddamn studios...like, I know, you've said it once already!!
Violence. Why is there so much violence? I hate it. European countries manage to make films without violence. Why can't the US? So many f*****g guns. It normalises them.
And things like a 120 lb woman taking on a 200+ lbs over 6 foot man and easily flipping him with her weight
Two things:- 1. don't people ever get PTSD after all the killing, near death experiences, etc? 2. I hate super -heroes, detectives, scientists, etc. It gets boring 'cos they always win. So they have to have super-villains to make it interesting. Turns out we'd be safer without them.
No one ever locking their doors, the way people answer and hang up phones, characters never going to the bathroom, drug addicts aways being gross and unkept which isn't true... And my number one is how woman are always for some reason wearing heels. Even to work, most women wear flats and it's rare to see 6 inch heels being worn by literally anyone.
95% of a superhero fight scene: Destroy entire city blocks, taking out residences, businesses and vehicles using explosive antics and haphazard projectiles, with wanton disregard for anyone but you and the bad guy. 2% of a superhero fight scene: stop everything you're doing to save this one random person because you're super nice and they are more important than other people for some reason. Final scene of a superhero fight scene: Decide not to kill the bad guy because killing is wrong.
Firstly - US always saving the world. Secondly - female protagonists always ready to go on an adventure without having to say 'hang on, we'll be gone for a while, need to get some tampons'.
When the producers don't check twice the locations names of the story they're telling. (Villa Gesell is a city on the atlantic coast, not a city on the Andes mountains). I guess that the town they wanted to picture was Bariloche or Villa La Angostura). Also, in that scene, one of the characters uses a mexican slang ("cabrón"), which is not used in Argentina. x-men-vill...59fbb6.jpg
Plot armor and making the enemy being absolutely stupid - best example would be "Fury". Brad Pitt would have been dead in the first encounter, if not there than in the city by sticking his head out in full sight of a sniper and at the very least after getting hit 2 times by a Tiger tank on point blank range.
Loads of horses but no s**t and their constant whinny / neigh (?) , running away with bags of gold bars, running in high heels.
How did the most infamous cringe phrase not get posted up here? ‘I/You got this” Every single serie or movie without fail!!!! Ruins it for me every time!!!
The surprise kiss. You can get charged for doing that in real life.
Guys, we've all forgotten ONE trope.... TRAILER GUY VOICE. "Boom. In 2051. Skyscrapers. The world. Has gone to s**t. BOOM. Cut scene. The military. Don't know what to do. Soldiers on phones. General. Bald. Lots of ribbons. BOOM. But one man, can save them all. Looking up at hero with stubble. White guy, obviously, handsome, has hair. BOOM. Cut scene. Crazy action scene. Guns. Car chases. BOOM. 2051. Coming this summer."
Post-apocalyptic worlds where the protagonist is a 19 year old girl who discovered she has powers and is super good despite them only having emerged a week before. Oh yeah, and she’s not like other girls. And she’s not hot (she is). Also showing every graphic detail of a torture scene. At that point, I’m just going to leave because I can’t watch that.
Time travel stories. Because it doesn't matter what kind of way you decide to use to travel through time, you WILL create either a plothole or a paradox, and you WILL ignore it, and it will completely break how your world is supposed to work. (this is technically an extension of the "break their own rules" towards the top of the list) Looking at you especially Avenger Endgame.
horror movies: theres always these characters, a dumbass (usually a blond woman) theres the religious nutcase, lets not forget the overly angry man who thinks he knows everything/whats best, the cop whos always late to everything and most of the time isnt the sharpest tool in the shed plus theres the couple who think having sex in a dangerous situation is a good idea, the drug addict, the black guy that dies near the start and the most annoying is what i like to call the scooby doo guy "lets split up and look for clues"
That episode of Big Bang theory where Sheldon is just sitting in the armchair season two
The worst one is in Star Wars when Padma just prances out of her ship pregnant with twins and begging Anakin not to go instead of waddling out and flipping out on him.
Over the topcar crashing explosion action scenes where you can see the fireworks going off. Looking at you, Michael Bay. Speaking of, scanty dressed women walking by as "eye candy" and women and/or kids getting killed for man pain reasons. Lame.
When two characters are fighting and the protagonist is about to be killed by the villian, when suddenly the person the villain had previously killed, usually the protagonist's love interest or family member, comes back to life and kills the villain and the movie ends with everyone sitting in the ambulance with the police cordoning off the crime scene.
Kick ass female characters who win all physical fights but are cast as skinny model types with no muscle tone (and who I look at and say, I could totally take em). 2) when a character is seriously hurt in an accident then is running around the next day like nothing hurts. Like, if your face is mashed to a pulp like that you would not be emoting your face like that. Or after the fight scene the love interest gives the hero a big hug for the kiss scene, awww. But really he'd be like, oww, not so tight, that hurts!
I REALLY hate when someone has to get somewhere fast (house, bus station, school) and instead of pulling up close to a door, they park 1/2 block away and run a mile . . . across a field, down the street!