President Joe Biden used part of his State of the Union address to urge employees to go back to offices, saying it was time to "fill our great downtowns again."
"We can end the shutdown of schools and businesses," the president claimed. "We have the tools we need."
However, people aren't feeling too psyched about it. With so many having successfully proved they can perform their tasks just as well (if not better) working remotely and gas prices continuing to rise due to Russia's invasion of Ukraine, it's no wonder some don't like the decision. To better understand the reasons why, we took a look at social media where users have been voicing their complaints.
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Truer words were never spoken. Now we just have to re-educate employers in how to manage remote employees—-quit overloading them with constant Zoom meetings and email check-ins, and leave them the f**k alone to do their damn work!
That would take retraining the entire country to realize that how long you work doesn't actually determine your worth as a person.
Load More Replies...My productivity at home and my quality of life working remotely are through the roof. Want to see a drop of productivity? Make me go back to the office with the long travels, incessant chit-chat, noisy people, A/C and dusty carpets, etc.
Oh God! I get sick the moment I get into our office. So much dust and the A/C that is always set too cold! >.<
Load More Replies...Dont forget the money you will save NOT COMMUTING ( plus your car will last longer too).
For me, it's not taking public transportation. But considering COVID is totally gone now, it'll be totally fine!
Load More Replies...I am going on my 3rd year of not using any unplanned time, because I work remotely.
Also, going remote will save money because you won't have to rent as much office space.
EXACTLY. Good management doesn't need to Manage By Walking Around
I agree, but what about places that are in long term leases with the office building? I would love a hybrid job, because sometimes I do need to be in the office. When I have a big filing, or making exhibit binders, there are some things that you just can't do from home, at least in my field...
I never understood why people had to work in an office. If you can work from home. No child care costs. As pointed out no excessive gas bills for driving. Less liability. Good for companies.
our offices in SA are gradually turning into flats. Not nationalised, but I did propose it to our government.
Because of circumstances beyond my control, I'm losing my rental in 2 months, and I can't afford any of the rents in my area. Would be nice if that idea actually existed.
Yikes, I'm so sorry. If I weren't a minor I'd lend you some money. I'm sorry to hear that.
Load More Replies...Awwww, all those poverty-stricken real estate tycoons will have to sell one or two mansions and a yacht.....
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Load More Replies...A local middle school was recently replaced by a newer structure: driving by the old school, with a "For Rent/Lease/Sale" sign, I can't help wanting to convert it into housing for homeless vets, each classroom a studio apartment. Semper Fi' Mary
You are missing a key component; homeless people like to live on the street because there’s no accountability—they’re free. When offered an apartment to live in, they resist.
Gallup's State of the Workforce study conducted in May/June with more than 9,000 American workers found that 91% of workers in the U.S. working at least some of their hours remotely were hoping their ability to work at home would persist after the pandemic.
Hybrid work was most preferred. Overall, 54% of respondents said they would ideally like to split their time between working at home and in the office. A little over a third (37%) would like to work from home exclusively, while just 9% wanted to return to the office full time.
Office bathrooms is the biggest one for me: I’m so much healthier these days, as I am finally able to drink enough water and herbal teas all day long. In the office, I used to avoid drinking water to minimise my bathroom visits. Now I can go whenever I want, and I’m back at my desk much more quickly, too.
I'm healthier because I'm not using the same bathroom as a bunch of other people, either.
Load More Replies...Not having to interact with a host of other people all day long to exchange social chit-chat, that just stops you getting your work done anyway. Very relatable.
Working in comfy clothes (not necessarily pijama), with a good coffee next to you and your dog at your feet. How can you be in a more productive environment?
Load More Replies...Noise! Being forced to participate in birthday morning teas! Constant interruption!
When I was in middle school band, we had private lessons after school, so the band directors had a microwave for students to heat up snacks between the end of the day, their lesson, and the late bus. There was a sign that actually said, paraphrasing, "remove the plastic before microwaving popcorn". I have a feeling there is someone who makes that necessary in almost every office.
Load More Replies...I rather eat A bologna sandwich or f it I can get my own pizza with the money I save from gas
Load More Replies...Additional points: No one trying to touch me, without permission, no one commenting on my appearance, less interactions with Work-Karen, Eat healthier (no pressure to eat at x restaurant). Although, seriously, people are really bad at maintaining relationships without being forced into the same spaces. I'm getting a bit tired of the complaints about being lonely when said lonely-person does nothing to keep in touch. Friendships appear to be defined by "we work together" these days, and once you don't work together, (or aren't in the same classes), you aren't friends. Super weird.
Comments like "you should smile more" & other toxic crud.
Load More Replies...That's just smart. Especially these days where the employees don't want free pizza Friday and a 20cent raise. They will quit for better conditions, benefits and not being forced to chit chat with random colleagues is a huge massive bonus. I think it's unreasonable to discuss anything not work related in work. I work there, I don't need friends and I have my own family. To point out any company who mentions we are family, RUN. Most families are toxic and dysfunctional even if pleasant there's always some skeletons. I decline to have my own family or work family part of my daily activities. All i come to do is my job for the paid time and then leave, no drinks, no chit chat, no games, after work team building etc. No no no. CEO is right!
Some people actually like the social aspect of an office (my dad LOVED it, most of his closest friends were also work colleagues, and my partner also enjoys it as well specially since we're new to the area and it's good to have local contacts) so it should be a choice. You like/feel more productive in an office? Come on in. You prefer to work remotely from home/coffee shop/beach? Great, you do that. As long as the work is done it shouldn't matter!
Load More Replies...More companies should do this. You don't even need to poach people with more money. Just the elimination of transit and prep time is money saved.
Where I work a good bit of the people who have to travel for the company will remain remote so no matter how they have to shift their job still can be done no matter what.
Yup my husband just applied somewhere else after being with his company for 3 years because they are now saying he has to go back to the office which he doesn't want to do. It makes no sense. Why pay for the building, electricity etc when everyone pretty much LOVED being at home.
I've been looking (for a very limited amount of time) in the reddit but I found nothing: Can we get the company whose CEO is quoted?
The original is from twitter, you might be able to find the guy pictured (Chris Herd) there.
Load More Replies...Time preservation was the key reason for wanting to work remotely:
Not having to commute, needing the flexibility to balance work and personal obligations, and improved wellbeing (which likely results from having more time) were the top-cited reasons for preferring remote work.
3 in 10 employees working remotely said they are extremely likely to seek another job if their company eliminates remote work.
Where I work, they've divided the "work from the office crowd" in 3 groups. Group 1: those that have to work from the office (they never stopped going in), group 2: those that want to go in the office (they are planning their return) and group 3: those who don't want to go back (we may have to go in once every 2 weeks... maybe...)
The extroverts that I have talked to frequently can't wrap their heads around someone NOT wanting to be around people 24/7. They need people to be forced back in, because they fear being at work, alone; as if there are no other extroverts. They want to force others to interact with them. This sounds nefarious, and narcissistic, and it might be for some, but I think it's just a real inability to empathize, and a lack of work-life balance in our society. They don't know how/where to socialize outside of the mandated spaces of school, or work. The world has been tailored to micromanagers, and extroverts.
Exactly. We've been conditioned since pre-school to spend our days in a "pack", and we're expected to continue living that way the rest of our lives. I've known people in their 40s & 50s who were still wrapped up in the fraternity/sorority life from their college days - they planned their vacation days around college/university events just so they could go & spend their time off there!
Load More Replies...As an introvert, I really don't miss bearing the brunt of office politics and having panic attacks in the company restroom due to social phobia. I can get so much more work done when my mental health is not being ground down.
Many office workers are incompetent and rely on interaction with coworkers in order to be able to perform their jobs at all.
Then work from home is an ideal time to weed out the useless and lighten the load for everyone else. Win/win.
Load More Replies...Every company I've worked in promoted the smoozers. The worst case scenario: In one promotional speech steve smmozer was being promoted as he had the confidence of the sales force. No he didn't he pretended to nap in breakroom & eavesdropped. Can't good ole boy up the good ole ladder if not there to network. Remote they'd have to judge by value of work performed.
It's a personality gap. Many people, extroverts especially, aren't aware of the whole "sometimes I need to be alone to recharge" type.
There is a strategy where a project succeeds or fails based on voluntary meeting attendance. If you want workers to find value in coming to the office, leadership better create an environment where people will find value.
Not to be THAT person, but America allows car and oil companies to "lobby" and keep public transportation almost non-existent. Besides, how will the people who own shares in Uber and Lyft buy another yacht while not paying their "contractors?" The greed is stifling.
Load More Replies...All the Europeans saying "that's cheap compared to here" should keep in mind that for the majority of Americans, there is little to no option other then to drive. Unfortunately, the way our infrastructure is laid out means people have to go longer distanced between housing and work, so often walking/biking isn't a choice. Outside of major cities, there are limited options for public transportation.
Some places have literally no options. I live at the ass end of the Rockies and we don't have Walmart or any other big name grocery store in the county, no Uber or Lyft or cabs or any sort of same day delivery. It takes 45 minutes to get from my house to the nearest Amtrak station and it only gets one stop every day, alternating between north and south each day. That station sees so little traffic that it doesn't even have a regular staff. Just an enclosed waiting room and one lady to unlock it every morning. People just don't understand what it's like to live so rural until they see it for themselves.
Load More Replies...People having a go at Americans for whinging about their petrol prices, don't forget how badly they are paid. Although it would be true to say that the worst paid don't have the option of working from home, like retail and hospitality workers.
Also, larger distances to travel, and most locations have no public transit. The places that do have public transit aren't fantastic, are very expensive, and Americans get no guaranteed healthcare, so have fun being in a public transit situation with that healthcare risk! I used to be sick all the time when I had to use the bus system. It's very costly.
Load More Replies...Wait so gas is going up every where but Fox News told me it was Ben fault I can't believe they lied to me. What's next y'all going to tell me Ben didn't start the war
Pfft that's ridiculous. Clearly it's Ben's fault that the entire world's gas price is going up! /s
Load More Replies...Pain at the pump never felt deeper. But if you can’t work from home, you sure can depend on news channels to give you some tips on how to save on gas, like drive slower, drive less, or drive 50 miles to find gas 5 cents cheaper per gallon. You can’t make this s**t up even if you tried.
You forgot the option of driving a resonably sized car, with a much better fuel economy. A large number og American cars are huge, and hence drinks gas like sailor on a shore leave. No you don't need to drive a tank (hummer) just to get from your house to the office.
Load More Replies...It's hard to imagine the dependence on cars Americans have, for everything. Difficult to impossible to get anywhere without at least some access to one.
Its so ridiculous IMO. My gf (texas) often hears me (Belgium) rambling about how car dependant America is. Yes the US might be much bigger than belgium, but that doesn't excuse you from having no sidewalks or public transport. Its one of the many reasons she's trying to move here, and I will never move to the US.
Load More Replies...Don’t forget public transportation in big cities. They want you to use those as well. Plus the restaurant businesses which survive with office personnel.
Yeah, sorry, but I don't care about the hospitality industries in the city. I'm sick of hearing that argument. I am not an economic unit who works just to pay for overpriced coffee in a badly run city. Where I work from home, all the local cafes and restaurants thrived during our extensive lockdowns. It's the untold story of the past couple of years. That's how the market works.
Load More Replies...Then let those who wish to go to the office go to the office, and let the rest of us TF alone to work at home. Keep public transportation—-in fact, expand it out of the cities so those of us in more rural areas can access it. Remember, not everyone can work from home, so a certain percentage of workers will still need to go into work, and would rather use public transport instead of driving. Hell, even people who live in the sticks, including a lot of those who would have to be physically present at work, need—-or would like—-to go to town, and would rather hop a train than have to drive, risk someone hitting their cars, then be forced to pay to park in expensive lots.
It's fairly easy to convert skyscrapers and office buildings into apartments. In some countries that would deal with the shortage of housing and the ridiculous high rents.
No it's not, and for an interesting reason. Architects and engineers who specialise in retrofitting offices will tell you that most of them aren't designed to provide basic standards for residential properties. They are virtually impossible to get natural light into most of the building, and the airflow is difficult to get right. These are the places where they ask employees to spend most of their lives. They actually aren't for for human habitation.
Load More Replies...Yeah, but most of the businesses who operate from those buildings don't actually own the buildings, so that's really not a reason. I think it's more about the idea that they can control their workers if they can see them, which is not true, since it seems that working from home actually boosts productivity.
Exactly. This is just a case of companies being dumb and acting against their own interests... Bc they're dumb
Load More Replies...But how can they make you uncomfortable and micromanage you. It might show the company a lot of them high position is not needed
On the contrary, more spaces for fewer workers and lower energy bills. And they could even sublet the premises to other businesses. It's pure profit. At the moment, our unions are negotiating a telework bonus to cover the additional energy costs and investments of people working from home (Mic, cam, and sometime a new PC), wich are not covered since 2 years, of course.
What? Businesses should keep space that's too big for them to give employees more room? Or they can sublet parts to other businesses? And what's "pure profit": the rent they get from office space they PAY for? Let me guess: you're not a CEO.
Load More Replies...Not true. The building owners just don't want to entertain alternative possibilities like turning the building into affordable housing.
Once people stopped commuting to work in Seattle, the whole downtown began to look like a ghost town.
That is during covid. Not being forced to socialize at work actually preserves my social energy and makes me want to go places outside work. When constantly around people in my work life, all I want is to get and stay home.
Load More Replies..."Don’t forget public transportation in big cities. They want you to use those as well. Plus the restaurant businesses which survive with office personnel." All those businesses would do fine if people actually lived there. Even more so as they're not just catering for office hours. CBD's are dead the rest of the time unless there's nightclubs. They do ok because of their noise problems.
While most workers didn't think remote work will improve their office culture, they didn't think it will hurt it either. Two-thirds of all full-time U.S. employees thought that having people work remotely long term will have either no effect or a positive effect on their workplace culture; the remaining third thought it will be negative.
"The data runs counter to the idea that always being in the office is the best way to foster culture," Brian Elliott, the Future Forum's executive leader and Slack senior vice president, said. "Using digital tools is really important to building a culture for people who aren't the average white male executive. Companies that invest in modern tools and in rethinking how they bring people together will do better than those insisting on full-time office work."
And reduce the population by means of a pandemic. Those assholes need to be dragged, kicking and screaming apparently, into the 21st Century.
And after the Republicans and Trumpers helped kill off almost a million people, they rewrite districts and pass voting restrictions so they can regain power to do it all over again.
Load More Replies...In the US, nearly ALL politicians - at every level - ARE landlords AND major oil company shareholders... By continuing to perpetually - and artificially - inflate THE two most bizarrely parasitic industries, those politicians are supporting THEMSELVES.
We should think of it as a way to screw Russia and support Ukraine. If we suddenly drop our fuel usage, we could at least temporarily ditch our dependency on Russian imports!
Considering we only import 1% of our oil from Russia, banning those imports was symbolic and had nothing to do with our "dependency" on them. The rise in gas prices has nothing to do with Russia oil. It has to do with greed from Shell, Exxon, Mobile, and BP
Load More Replies...Supply and demand. Remote work = less use of transportation = no fuel/crude oil = higher oil prices Return to work = need fuel = pay what the market says it's worth.
Well... as the pandemic was the poor response to Covid and is self-made... Spoiler alert: the pandemic is over.
And while burning fuel to go nowhere fast other than to take your foot off the brakes for 2 hours
Considering that many countries are dropping the anti-COVID measures, pandemic is becoming irrelevant as an excuse not to go to office again. Although, it would probably lower absenteeism for other medical or family reasons.
Then pull a Kramer when they fire you…”I don’t even work here!”
Load More Replies...I work in a hospital so we're still wearing masks all the time. We've hired a ton of new people since 2020 (mostly as replacements) and I hardly ever see the whole face of any of them. Even then it's very brief. Basically I don't really recognize people's faces when I see them. So I think someone doing this might not be too hard to pull off for at least a short amount of time.
Brilliant. Would love it if Bill Murray stopped in a few places and did this.
those executives "wanting" to return to office work didn't work 40 hour work weeks. They had all the time off they wanted, always had flexible schedules, had phenomenal health care benefits along with pay that eliminated medical bill worries, Executives with working spouses have it AS A CHOICE, most employees don't have the luxury of fully supporting a family on one income, the stress of working mroe than one job for the same pay is real. . Every time I hear "people don't want to work" I think, "there goes a person making WELL above the pay of the average earner. NOT average pay, take out the CEO from that "average" and you have a better reality. remove the stresses that don't need to exist and you'll have better workers. Thsoe stresses are: commutes, gas costs, office lunch being stolen, shared covid, flu, and colds air, forced to get child care, inflexible hours, micromanaging, and joy happy execs who AREN'T actually in the office 40 hours a week but say they are.
“I’m a time traveler, and I’m here to tell you that if you don’t change your company’s policies, it will go out of business.”
The Future Forum, developed by workplace-messaging platform Slack, surveyed more than 10,000 workers globally in the summer of 2021 and found an "executive-employee disconnect" with regard to returning to work. Three-quarters of all executives reported they want to work from the office three to five days a week, compared with about one-third of employees. Among executives who have primarily worked completely remotely through the pandemic, 44% said they wanted to come back to the office every day. Just 17% of employees said the same.
Most executives (66%) also reported they were designing post-pandemic workforce policies with little to no direct input from employees.
I've been working from home for 2.5 years now. I also am dealing with spinal issues that put me in the hospital last month. If I had to go in 5 days a week, I'd have to consider going out on disability. Working from home means I can keep working full-time. Even if some days that means taking more breaks and working later to make up the time. We have been called back into the office for 8 days a month next month, I'm working with my doctor's office to get FMLA paperwork allowing me to continue working from home.
I have a few invisible illnesses and debilitating anxiety that can occasionally make it so I cannot function at all, but was just denied getting disability payments because I can still technically work and work from home is an option. Yeah idk seems like b******t to me. Yet. No place is hiring for full work from home.
I did not understand until WFH started that not everyone gets super tense on the way to work everyday just imagining the upcoming, unavoidable interaction with humans. Seems I and neurodiverse!
As someone who has a work accommodation to work from home permanently regardless of if my company devices to go back to the office full time, this is spot on! Florescent lights are a HUGE part of my migraine issues; figured that out when I went from working as a massage therapist for 10 years to wishing in an office and BOOM, migraines every day. Working from home allows me to not only work in an environment that isn't as detrimental to my health, but also to treat an episode without having to either take off the whole day, or be stuck at work during an attack if it starts when I'm at work and I can't drive home!
I recently switched from an office job to working remotely, and my god, the difference in my mental health...
I've put off going back to work for years now, luckily we can afford to at the moment. But I will need to before long, and it terrifies me. Not the actual work, but my health isn't great. I have fibromyalgia- one day I'll be fine, next day I'll barely be able to walk - I can't even begin to explain how much difference working from home would make to me, not having to drag my broken body miles to them sit in an uncomfortable chair under lights that cause migraines and every sense of my body is going haywire - I can feel everything and it's horrid, and loud and nauseating
I have yet to see how working remote has improved the work of managers. We only speak how it's good for employees. I do mean manager, not micromanaging dictators.
*Raises my eight tentacles holding hundreds of plastic hands each*
Load More Replies...I feel like it should be flexible, I an an introvert but my only interaction with anyone is going to school/ college/ work. I can't sit in my house and work my brian doesn't kick into work mode. It should be an option but not forced.
I wish the co's could look at remote workers output. If they are getting the job done adequately at home, why not let them continue. That being said, I prefer to be in an office. The COVID lockdown really showed me that. But people should have choices. Don't destroy me
Load More Replies...Also, we don't need 8 hours. I can perfectly manage with 6 and still be as productive.
I envy those that can work from home. My job would be extremely difficult to do from home.
While I agree with the first half of his message, the second part, destroying whoever disagrees with his view, discredits whatever message he was trying to convey.
Bruh there's a number of companies who lost big because grimey employees reported working when they didn't and got paid for it. Don't say that it benefits everyone when you could lose your job because some bad apples ate up all the funds and left it to the few that did the actual work.
That is true. But there must a way to measure a employees productivity and check accountability.
Load More Replies...I agree. I have a friend who works case management and be occasionally has to go to the office for meetings or some paperwork.
meetings -> zoom ; paperwork -> email. What other reason? Serious question.
Load More Replies...To work in an office, a person really must be extroverted. Forcing people that are not extroverted is torture, and counterproductive.
The only problem with that is that it makes perfect sense. Therefore, those bosses who are hell-bent on employees returning to the office will never understand it.
Yep, if it makes sense, then a middle manager will oppose it
Load More Replies...Ah yes pro choice--same as with the vaccination and wearing a mask, etc etc.
For Executives to rule they need to 'feel' their dominance 'over' which can't be achieved by an empty office building. Sad
Bringing people back to the office for chance meetings in an elevator or by the water cooler, according to Elliott, is "mythology."
Still, it's possible those interactions are much more valuable to an executive than to an employee — further leading to the disconnect, said Amy Zimmerman, chief people officer at Relay Payments, which has worked with founders and executives to develop and nurture culture.
I’m a teacher and I can’t work from home, but I do enjoy the lighter traffic for sure. You people continue to work from home because it makes our commutes so much easier 😁
Also added benefit of office workers working remotely, less traffic and more parking spaces for people who cant work remotely.
Load More Replies...There are some people who really struggle to work alone and work from home, and that's fine. That's why offices exist, I guess. There are some people who really need those in-person interactions. Some people can manage most of their needs by working from home and then having a personal life. And some of us could quite happily work alone and live in quarantine for all eternity, if necessary. I mean, I've been successfully working full time from home for the last 18 years. Wouldn't change a thing.
I have been remote for 15 yrs and would never go back into an office. I'd change careers before I'd do that again.
Load More Replies...If you have a job/career that you can do 100% from home with better performance then employer should make it happen or you could look for other jobs. I have been home nearly 8 months now, no mental health problems, better results, started college. Leave house about 3-6 times a month. Blissful! Nobody should get upset with jobs that don't have home option, those people would benefit with less traffic if all who can,work from home. Less footfall in city makes life easier, and more accessible to people who need it like retailers, emergency staff, catering staff, tourists. Let's be honest anyone working in city 8+ hours isn't a great spender of money in city shopping. They are working, yes they buy lunch/coffee but they are not shoppers. Heavy footfall of workers going in and out of work, especially 3-6.30pm finishing time is enough to push out people on day off wanting to go out to eat, shop, and spend hours in city instead of just a break time.
I PERSONALLY (and would never force others to) need an enviorment different from home because of my ADHD when i work, luckily im going into medical and theres not really a remote option and it works out! Say time and time again, you do you, boo! I agree with all of this so much but saying theyre all fake and no one actually wants to go back to keeping work in their work enviorments is just so silly. Everyone has opinions, wants and needs!
And no, im not an antimasker or follow a specific political party. Its just ADHD and boredom that dont mingle well lol
Load More Replies...There's people in my company that have actually been whining about "when can we come back". I just don't understand it.
The DHS is our state has sold several brick and mortar buildings. Apparently laptops, cell phones, Zoom, email, and home visits are really all you need. Love it for them and for their clients.
I think I have FINALLY figured out what irks me so much about these interactions. (I'm autistic, it takes me longer). It's that the bosses talk to the employees like they are parents or something. There is no sense that the interactions or of two equal adults. These so-called managers think they just have the right to issue commands and the other person has to obey. That's just not how it works in the professional world. As indicated by the other person just quitting. Wish everyone who was treated this way had the same options.
A two-weeks notice is only out of courtesy and not required. This so called manager doesn’t even deserve a two-minute notice.
Depends on what is written in the hirering contract. Where I live, it is quite common to have a notice period. That way people have a chance of finding a new job/ new employee without generating "down time". However when people are firered, the notice period is normally turned into "free time" as having people inhouse that is pissed off, does normally do more harm than good to the company.
Load More Replies...yep. lead by example. if you are allowed to wfh so are your staff, unless they're like welders or something.
Load More Replies...Yeah here if I get fired I get 2 months notice because of the years I have worked for this company, they can let me go immediately but they need to pay 2 months salary anyways, also because I have worked here so long, if I quit I have to give 1 month notice, but usually people use this time to spend their unused holidays.
Load More Replies...Two week notice is so b.s. They won't give you a two week notice before they fire you, so suck a lemon, corpo.
I've had a great job in the past (I only quit as I was moving countries!). The manager would come in one day and say "I need this done by this date, call me if you have any questions" and would leave me alone until the deadline. Where/when I was working, that was my decision. It worked perfectly for both of us!
What did the boss expect to get during the "two weeks notice" period? They employee could just stay home and ignore everything that isn't related to them handing in their keys and collecting their last paycheck. Two weeks notice only works if there is some respect on both sides, or the person leaving is at least a little concerned about burning bridges. If that last part doesn't matter then you don't want that person around the workplace anymore.
It's kind of funny that by quitting they still went to the office.
Yeah, I’d put my keys and stuff in the mail. FedEx if they really b***h about wanting all of it ASAP.
Load More Replies...Something I REALLLY cannot get my head around is how the employee (normally) has to give the ‘job/boss’ a two week (or more) notice of quitting, but if said ‘job/boss’ (within reason) want, they can fire that person that day…..?? Why can’t individuals just walk out of toxic work places with out notice??
Couldn't agree more. F that job. Recently, my employer tried to force me to participate in a video where I had to go on camera saying that because I participated in a bogus happiness challenge that they made up, that I went from being a sad person to a happy person. I had to actually have my face on camera and make that exact statement and they were just going to turn around and use it as a marketing scheme to advertise this happiness challenge protocol to sell to people on the internet. I refused to do it and the next week I received a ' separation of employment' notice. Happiest day of my life
By the time you arrive at your work you could already have worked 2 hours. If everyone promised to work 5 hours per week extra for free if they could WFH, all the employers would stop pressuring people to come in.
Except why should they? At least in America, workers already work far more hours than they actually get paid for. Why should they have to volunteer to work for free? That just gives the employers more incentives to find novel ways to exploit workers.
Load More Replies...Yeah mornings are so much more efficient, now I wake up, log in to computer and Im already working, I then can go make coffee, go to toilet etc. while waiting something to open.. normally I would wake up, wash, get clothed, drive to work, log in to PC, go either make coffee or get coffee if someone is already in, drink the coffee while chatting with other people, probably need to go bathroom after drinking the coffee, go start work, oh its the official coffee break already, stop work and repeat the chatting etc.
Having to eat at designated times instead of when you’re actually hungry
And all the money saved for fuel, coffee, food, mileage. Never again!
I don't think so. As mentioned in a lot of posts it's all about money. Real estate and taxes, they need employees back in the office to generate revenue from our extra expenses.
But the companies that lease save money on rent. Unfortunately, they're too dumb for their own good
Load More Replies...Getting home tired and irritated, only to travel back to the office and face the toxic people again in the morning.
Not to mention that a lot less people would be late by a lot less if all you have to do is sit on your couch or in your home office and open your laptop.
Zimmerman highlighted that older executives rely on face-to-face communication to get a better sense of what's going on throughout their organizations; they also may have more need for those chance conversations to keep tabs on a large number of employees.
"I've worked with a CEO who told me he just liked the energy of the office," Zimmerman recalled. "There was something about seeing the cars in the parking lot that brought him joy. The fact is, corporate America is likely changed forever. You're making a huge mistake if you're requiring folks back in office full time, because they see the progress most companies have made in the last two years, and they'll ask, 'why?' It feels like micromanagement."
Depressing. And the vent isn't even strong enough to hang yourself, I bet.
It used to be...but then Sally went and ruined it for the rest of us.
Load More Replies...Work culture should not be the next door neighbor of prison culture. CEOs are like the for-profit prison owners. The corporate suits are like the wardens. Managers are like prison guards. Your coworkers may not use an actual shiv, but they sure can stab you in the back every chance they get!
This is so funny to me. I work for a big hospital system in Texas (from home) and they talk about "the culture" of the organization, and let me tell you- they are legitimately amazing. Their "culture" is to better their employees. We (admin personnel) work from home, have flexible schedules, get lots of PTO and sick leave (although working from home means if I'm not feeling all that great, I don't have to see anyone and can do my work in peace-> but still, they have people checking in on us to make sure we are okay. They even offered financial assistance to families when Covid first hit). I'm taking a few courses now to further my education AND they have a program where they will pay you ($15/hr x 40 hrs week) to take a course to become a CMA. It's not much, but when you HAVE to work and go to school, every little bit helps! So, THAT, my friends, is work CULTURE. Doing right by your people. I work for Baylor, Scott and White and I absolutely love what I do!
Looking at this pic I instantly heard "heeey, peter, whaaaat's happenin'?...
"We're keeping slavery because our culture is so important!". - that's how stupid you sound...
Children are taught and shown that you can't fit a square peg into a round hole. Office workers however, routinely circle the square holes in square rooms in a squarely rectangular building until they find where they fit Monday thru Friday.
at least there is a cubicle and some space - my workplace is completely open plan, with banks of eight desks in close contact and no dividers
The only pro of an office space is that the employer has better control over the employees. That's also the only reason why those employers don't want their staff to work from home. Has got nothing to do with "team play" or "short lines of communication", it's all about control.
Even when they do let you work from home, they then bog you down with all kinds of b******t mandatory Zoom meetings, email check ins with 10 minute reply requirements so you’re spending an inordinate amount of time composing replies, and phone check ins, that eat up all your actual work time so you have to wait until after the managers log off for the day so you can finally concentrate and do your actual f*****g work! Contracting COVID in the office and being told to still come in when I said I had to quarantine is the reason I left my last job. But I do not miss the micromanaging control freaks I worked for. I decided to start my own business and work from home, and I have to say I’m the kind of non-micromanaging, non-control freak boss I always dreamed of.
Load More Replies...Pro isn't for the workers its for the company who can use the office space as a tax write off
The funny part is it's more expensive for these companies to maintain these gaint real estate footprints that cuts into profit which is the real reason any company exists. Someone needs to explain to them that by having people only come in for necessary meetings with clients you can size down and save money less conference rooms less cubicles less overhead on a daily basis is less money spent on rents or property taxes. Why can't these companies see that's more profit for them. Honestly this corporate butts in seats I want to see the misery on your face as I crush your soul culture needs to go it's not helping productivity or he bottem line its just giving ego driven managment a physical playground.
Who needs socialization at work. You are supposed to be working. So much wasted time. Filled with nothing.
Yeah, I’m curious about that - is that what the employers want people to do? Hang out? I’ve always been under the impression that they wanted people to work. Work beyond reason, really. But NOW the “socialization” is suddenly oh god so important…? Either I’ve missed something, or they sound full of an almost absurd amount of shìt.
The best benefit I can see, for working in the office, is training, support, and IT assistance. Once you have that sorted, work from home.. with the exception of centralized IT assistance coming to replace your keyboard.
“Lazy” is kind of a joke. Chances are that, while WFH, the employees are intermittently taking care of their other responsibilities that used to get ignored when they got home from work mentally exhausted. So now, on top of their career work, they’re actually completing their life work(?) such as cleaning, meal planning, raising and teaching their kids, having time to talk to their friends and families. WFH might solve a lot of isolation depression. People are become less “corporate slave” and gaining the work-life balance they’ve been missing out on for who knows how long. They’re actually living in the house they worked for. They’ve got more than just “a roof over their head” now thanks to the liberation of WFH. Even the LFH for students has the same thing: school-life balance. They get to have more time to be a kid and a teenager, their daily lives are more fulfilling because they have time to all the things “kids don’t do anymore” while still getting their full education.
I'll say socialization. I've done 4 years of university at home, and I would need a job that would allow remote work so I don't have to commute through overcrowded traffic / transport to next town. Instead I work as simple grocery store clerk because I have seriously missed people contact. Studying remotely has perks, but a lot of drawbacks. If you have an issue, it's much more complicated to solve or find someone who can solve it. I couldn't take part in any club or University activities. Sometimes you do make friends with similar interest at work. My current boss love gaming and his next in command has a F1 racing setup at home. Another coworker is pretty knowledgeable in computer parts. Another does art as a hobby. I often goof with another dept manager. You don't get that at home. Thing is, you need a manager / director that allows such freedom which I feel does not work in offices much.
I so wish that I had the skills to work from home. I run a biofuel plant, and gotta be there. I like my job, but f**k I hate that place. Been out with a back injury for a week, and oddly enough it's still the best week I've had in years. Since my kids were little, at least.
Well you are a hero to the enviro movement and you're helping break opec monopoly so go you!
Load More Replies...I am so productive from home. I can work late if I want, cut it short if I'm not too busy, but I always get all my work done. It's just done in a more convenient/flexible way. Instead of surfing the web in my cubicle, I'm getting my work done and then spending time with my family. Win win.
Seriously unless you have to be there to do something that can't be done from home. WHY??
If the work is getting done, why do you care if someone grabs a catnap? If you seriously believe that modern staff working from home are twiddling their thumbs then you're massively out if touch with reality.
Load More Replies...Apparently in the first couple years of the pandemic, CO2 emissions were at all-time lows because hardly anyone was leaving their houses except to go get groceries. It was nice.
it took me almost 4 hours daily to get to work and back home, hated with all my heart
Has anyone noticed the lack of hurricanes ever since Covid started? Do you wonder if it’s related to everyone staying home more?
Businesses never were trying to do that except from their production because carbon taxes or fines.
Unless your city's bike infrastructure sucks ass and also doesn't allow riding on sidewalks. It's a one-lane road for the several kms from my house to the nearest shared-use path, and the "legal" route I can take is far longer. And then from there I have to ride about 10 minutes through an industrial area to get to the start of the main bike path. It makes it plain and obvious that my city has no intention to bite the hand that feeds it(the taxes paid by the oil workers that live here).
Load More Replies...Over 90% of employers are planning to adopt a hybrid model this year, according to recent research from tech consulting firm Gartner – but researchers expect several high-profile companies to "change course" in the months ahead and demand that employees return to the office full-time, citing high turnover rates and a perceived loss of organizational culture.
I guess they can write off more on taxes than they can collect in rent.
Nope. This isn't the issue many think. Those building are (mostly) not owned by the companies that occupy them. They are leasing them, but they can renegotiate leases and save themselves money by not paying for office space, equipment, etc. The companies that do own the buildings can accept a renegotiation, lease to another company(s), and/or claim losses.
Load More Replies...Think they own a whole lot of them... but then they cannot rent them for corporations having offices, so there is no gain for the church
Load More Replies...Maybe just burn them all to the ground. It's a start. Get rid of the symbol of capitalism, then maybe we start in on their neighborhoods. I'm pretty sure that I wouldn't negotiate with those assholes. Pretty sure it would be awesome to watch billionaires fleeing their blazing homes. I'd give them the same consideration that they gave us, and generations of previous people that they f****d, just like us. Yep, pretty sure no regrets would be experienced by many of us on that day.
I think that's actually the problem : Money is generally allergic to affordable.
Load More Replies...Now... if this only had anything to do with capitalism. The connection between the two things she mentions, does not exist. The majority of office buildings are not owned by the companies that occupy them, even if their name is on the building. They're leased. The companies working out of them would save a crap load of money if they didn't need offices. The real cause is the sea of middle management types (who generally love to micromanage) are trying to justify their own jobs to their bosses by insisting that employees need to be brought back into offices in order to be properly supervised. No one is asking about the only important metric... is the work getting done?
I am a small business owner and do not agree. Most businesses want to minimize the amount of square footage they rent or buy; this is extremely expensive property. The people pushing for return to work (boss) often are not the people benefitting from propped-up land value (landowner), except in the instance that the company owns the property, but this is a long-game investment anyway and has little to no risk of being a long-term bad investment. My assistant has a hybrid schedule, and I see that continuing as long as she wants it to. This is because she is highly capable and trustworthy. But our time in the office together is absolutely crucial as well. For the same reason living in the city has benefits like “creative collision” — better ideas come from the frequent collision of new ideas — the office has important benefits. Additionally, living and working in the same place has its own mental health implications and dangers to boundaries. I like hybrid, this is a nice balance for us.
Problem with your arguement, you say the boss has no value to gain from pushing people back into an office or similar environment where they are all at one workplace, well explain 5 year leases and the tax credits they receive when that space is required vs optional. Most companies sign longer term leases to get the lowest price and if their CPA is worth their salt they find a way to write.off the expenditure, plus utilities, not to mention the bosses company car usage, gas usage insurance and so on. These are all credits to the bottom line without these taxes for certain enterprises are higher. And yes high enough to offset the cost of leased spaces in some instances.
Load More Replies...Tear them down. Recycle the materials. Restore the property to its natural state. There done.
Rebuild cool buildings such as the Singer Tower.
Load More Replies...That way we can house all those refugees that are being murdered.
2021 Top two lobbyists groups in the US - #1)US Chamber of Commerce ($66.4 million #2) National Assoc. of Realtors ($44 million). #1 is over twice as much as the third place Pharmaceutical Research & Manufacturers of America ($30.3 million). Office work is all about capitalism.
Yeah real estate looks good for a business. Even a small office suite is better than not having a location to reference.
Why would that matter to your boss? Your boss doesn't own the office building. He would actually save money if he could resize the office. Building owners doesn't own your boss's business, they can't tell you to go back to work. Nah, I doubt they want you back at office to justify their office rental.
So many great post here. I believe it's about control. The micromanagers can't justify their jobs, anymore. At best a hybrid model should be standard, with the full option of working from home. A lot of folks could care less about socialization. What we've learned finally is that we want more time with family and can save on traffic stress, gas, child care and hideous office culture. As a consequence it harms other workers that depend on the daily patronage. Workers stand your ground it's about time you woke up.
Employers: “… That doesn’t sound right. I do NOT approve of the sla… employees being happy and at ease. It’s like allowing women to read - it can give them ideas. Get them back in at any cost. This must not be allowed, gentlemen - in a not so distant future these sl… servan… human assets may start to demand to be treated like people - fair pay, reasonable hours, it could end ANYWHERE! Anywhere AT ALL! Get …them …back …in!”
It actually is more difficult to WFH. In formal work environment you can focus on work. At home, you need to multitask - work, parenting, all round housework, etc.
Even if you work at an office you still have to do all of those things, you just have way less time to get them done (due to time wasted getting ready and commuting). Also, I don't agree with your generalization that it's easier to stay focused on work in an office environment; I don't know what evidence you're basing that on.
Load More Replies...Exactly! Remote work is now a priority when looking at a job. If my current job force a return to the office, I'll quit in an instant since there's a lot of opening in my field. For now, my boss seems to want people back for "socializing" and "team building via socializing" purpose only. I call BS, they just don't want their nice office space to be wasted with nobody in it.
My work actively encourages us to stay home. They've gone from 3 buildings, down to one. And that one? they own it. So, no rent. They are literally saving thousands a month with us working remotely. That's not taking into account water, electricity, internet, gas, wear and tear, supplies, etc.
Load More Replies...“We’ve been learning to work remotely either part or all of the time on the fly during this crisis,” Peter Cappelli, a professor at the University of Pennsylvania’s Wharton School of Business, said. “There’s a lot of moving parts that are difficult to manage, too, without being able to predict with full confidence what the consequences will be: What if employees don’t agree on what days to come in, or how do you equally measure the performance of people who are remote vs. in the office, avoiding proximity bias?”
I think for most people the commute is the biggest con. It sets your routine but the traffic and cost isn't worth it.
Commute, wardrobe, and lunch costs combined. However, those savings should NOT be factored into remote pay! An employer should not dare offer me less money to work remotely than for someone coming into the office. Remember, I’m working from my own computer, using my own printer, paper, and ink, my own electricity, etc, etc, etc, saving the company the total of all those costs. So they should pass their savings on to me and pay me the same as—-or even more than—-someone in the office, who is actually costing them more (using company computers, printers, ink, paper, electricity, etc on the company dime).
Load More Replies...I live less than 7 miles from my office but using the light rail to commute takes 40mins minimum. Its crowded. Its usually too warm for the weather. And any issues with the train/the line adds to how long it takes me to get to work or to home, which usually ends up being 1.0 - 1.50 hours. The worst was 2.5 hours. To go less than 7 miles. Ive grown to resent and despise my commute. I rarely even go out anymore because I'd have to take that train yet again. But now I'm being made to return to the office for reasons.
Commute is the biggest con of back to office. Myself I rather talk in person when I have questions than phone them or even leave a message and wait for a reply.
This back-to-the-office push has convinced me to finally start mentioning my disabled status to potential bosses. They usually seem much more reluctant to yank me into their offices after I do so.
GRR! CEO WANT MONEY NOW! CEO SMASH! *sounds of cubicle dweller's soul breaking*
Load More Replies...That point about meeting people I'd otherwise have never met is my favourite part. My parent company took over an office in another city, who has a book club. They invited those of us working in other cities to join in. We meet via Zoom now with people working in offices across the country. It's such a cool way to network with a bunch of awesome ladies I otherwise would never have met.
Remote work means people don't have to spend 25-50% of their income on transportation, and can save money for the future.
"Remote work enables me to work with fantastic people I would otherwise have never met", will have to explain this one to me. If you can't actually do job in office for some reason like being disable, I get that. You can meet people otherwise you can't meet at all. Otherwise, it does not.
My mother literally just got back from visiting her mother 9 hours away in a hospital. She is 84 and lost a lot of blood. If my mother hadn't been a WFH employee, she would have had to miss out on an entire paycheck (she contracts in IT so no PTO)
This in a nutshell. In a lot of cases (mine included) it's more about the senior management team not trusting their employees to do their jobs at home unsupervised. I mean no one needs a manager who specialises in micromanagement if their workforce is working from home. Our place is also now trying to introduce timesheets / metrics, it's like living through the 90s all over again
Before the pandemic there was no chance that us external workers would have been allowed to work remotely, because management didnt trust that anything gets done, now after couple of years I think they start to realize that actually even more gets done and seems like at least our own company is ready if you want to renew contract to make it official that you are remote worker, but our customer Im not so sure about, they have not yet demanded anyone to return to offices so probably we can decide ourselves how we wanna do it. Those who want to work from office can and those who want to work remotely probably can if they come in when needed.
Load More Replies...I've worked from home for 10 years and used to have to sort of pretend I didn't, and "hide" it for this very reason. People used to think that if you worked from home you were a lazy slacker hanging around in sweatpants, doing nothing, as if physically being in the office prevented you from slacking off. Now that everyone's done it because of COVID, they know better. If you can work remotely, you should be able to do so. If you want to go into the office, go ahead. But don't act like working from home is any less productive.
I'm old, I don't have any employees atm, but I'd delegate tasks and deadlines. As long as it's done correctly and to the deadline, I don't give a toss if you're working from your high spec home office, Tesco car park, or a strip club. Just get the job done!
I’m 61, so one of those “old people” too. I have ALWAYS hated micromanagers—-I actually work worse and slower with someone breathing down my neck—-whether in person or remote. You know, demanding way too many “check ins” by Zoom, email or phone, which eat up too many hours per day. They don’t realize it takes time to compose those f*****g ridiculous check in reports. You have to wait until management logs off to actually put your head down and do your work. Therefore, I would never pressure anyone and waste their time “checking in” more than once a week, or every couple days if a deadline is close. Like you, as long as everything’s getting done well and on time, I prefer to leave people TF alone. I would also be an advocate for my people and not hesitate to tell the suits they’re f*****g dreaming when their time and workload demands are impossible and inhumane. I would tell them I’d get back to them with a realistic deadline after consulting with my team.
Load More Replies...100% this. I have seen a lot of comments along the lines of: “if your job can be done at home then it can be outsourced to another country” and “if you want to work from home then your pay should be reduced” THAT’s NOT HOW IT WORKS
The whole 'it can be done from another country' argument really annoys me. If a company honestly thought that they would have done it ages ago. The majority of office based jobs that are done locally are there because they need to be done locally. In Australia our biggest Telco is running an ad campaign about how they are bringing call centres back to Australia because they have realised local knowledge is needed. It's such a nonsensical argument.
Load More Replies...<<Old person here and I prefer the work from home. Some can't help but label others they know nothing about.
I fel the same way. At my office we all pulled together, no deadlines missed, no filings missed. We took turns coming in when we had to get exhibit binders made or had a huge fling it was definitely the definition of team work!! WE said we can still do it, but they said no....s**t we did it for almost 2 years!
Hey, I’m OLD and I’ve been pushing for remote work all. my. professional. life. The push to in person is coming from concern for rich real estate developers and incompetent managers who like to lord it over competent staff IN PERSON. They miss ostentatiously glancing at the clock whenever the minions arrive or leave.
They couldn't fathom it before the pandemic, but now they've seen people actually perform better. Middle managers have seen hard evidence that their jobs are nothing more than a financial drain on the company, and they're desperate to bury that evidence and return to the old status quo where they can feel important.
Yes you are children that need watching. I wonder if one of the biggest reasons is people in management positions aren't needed if you work at home.
You're gonna have some dents in your hand if you clutch those pearls any tighter
Load More Replies...Let's all be honest now... every single person that has EVER worked in an office knows there is at least two sl&tty a$$ h#es, four Karens, and 3 Chads. Just because you are good at being PC doesn't mean you don't see them.
What about small offices? Do people have to double or even triple up on roles?
Load More Replies...Hoes you don't care about... i mean it could sound nicer but it's 100% spot on.
Don't forget costs like lunch, dress shoes, car repairs, tires, n stress on the body n mind making all these things happen.
Our company subleased two-thirds of our office space to two other companies during the pandemic since we went 100% remote. We couldn’t go back now if we wanted to.
What an ass. "Hoes"??? The photo doesn't look like someone who is gainfully employed. Probably just another walking turnip who's trying to be a "cool influencer".
And this statement right here is WHY a person wants to work from home! Side note, I'm sure his child's mother feels wonderful at his description of his co-workers
The only reason I don't like working from home is I can't seem to focus. It may be my ADD but if I'm somewhere other than my home I can get in a "Work mode" but not from home. But I also believe 5 days a week at 8 hours a day is way to much. Especially with how many people are looking for jobs. If workers just made better environments they wouldn't have to force every worker they have to work 50 hour weeks
Kat Anderson have you tried "cowork"??? Some places can give you a space like a small ofice or cubicule with good coffee and internet conection and outlets for your pesonal devices on a dayli/weekly/monthly rate, or even for hour.
Load More Replies...Companies might consider, he added, either transitioning to be remote or in-office full-time to avoid such spots. "Moving toward a hybrid workforce is pretty complicated to figure out, and nobody knows quite how well it works for an organization because it’s still so new for most employers."
As we can see, people working from home have said it's helped them maintain a better work-life balance, manage childcare responsibilities and be more productive, among other benefits, but sadly, such praises might not be enough to prevent companies from pushing a return to the office.
I'd just turn around and walk out, taking a pic, and email it as my resignation. The dog one is really a low blow because they do get depressed AF.
Load More Replies...this was the most tone-deaf thing I ever saw. It was even featured in blogto about how poorly thought out this was.
If they’re aiming for mass exodus, I’m thinking mission accomplished.
How are people going to know I'm better than they are if they can't see the overpriced clothes I'm wearing?
"Tell me you're a psychopath without telling me you're a psychopath."
To be fair, presidents of the USA have all been working from home, yes? Or how does the gig with the White House work?
I understand it's harsh, but presidents should only accept the job if they are willing to die...the reason I say this is, at the amount of corruption that has infiltrated the government, and corporate hands involved in it, a president has to have massive cojones to really go in gunning for what the people want. And I mean real ones, not ones for show, or ones lacking sanity. So, Biden would have to decide to employ campaigns, and find create ways to fund them, that focused on convincing the powerful to do what the people want, rather than bend to the powerful and try to convince the people to do what the powerful want. It is a tough job. Hence why people riot because sometimes that is the only thing that makes the powerful quake.
Load More Replies...Please explain like I'm five... I've only ever worked jobs that fix or make things (PC disassembler, sandwhich maker, auto mechanic, avionics technician), so I can't fathom an economy that has so many jobs that could be done from home. The only things I'm coming up with are customer service rep, web design, and artist (all flavors). What am I missing? Also, where do I sign up to never commute again? I'm assuming college was that place I was supposed to sign up for the jobs that get done in climate-controlled spaces and involve fewer than 20k steps/day.
YOU are working from home. What about your employees? Do you expect them to be in the office and following the rules you implemented to make sure they work as hard as you expect them to?
The "let's go back to work" bunch have been so loud until now, when it'll be expected. I think it's so much healthier for those who can/want to, to work from home!
not so far, unless he declares war on russia. The orange shitgibbon wrecked it already. Evidence given in previous response to you.
Load More Replies...So it seems "grandpa" Biden is just another stupid old boomer who does not understand the 21st century. A bit better manners than the orange idiot, but still...
That's the problem with only having two choices. The better choice is often still lacking.
Load More Replies...I feel sorry for y'all US people who have put so much hope in Biden, just seeing that he's as much a corporate muppet as the orange monkey before him.
It bothers me when people refer to desk job workers as "laborers" and acts like they are the poor mistreated working class that everyone is talking about when we talk about workers rights and essential workers. They're the leisure class, the middle class, and while yes there are obvious issues in the sector and it still isn't very pleasant to be part of, our society and economy are largely built for and around them. The actual victims are the ACTUAL working class, people working jobs so essential and physical they CAN'T be done from home who actually have to work nonstop physical labor their entire 10-12 hour shift, not spending 5 hours a day actually working and 3 hours a day pretending to work when their boss walks by. The actual LABORERS are the ones who are treated worst and get unlivable pay and inhumane hours and expectations and poor (or nonexistent) benefits. To even be able to argue for wanting to stay home is a privilege over many millions...
Those desk job workers run the internet you just use to complain. Anyway, also those people will benefit from more remote work. Housing prices around company buildings will decline because of less pressure. Streets and public transportation will be less full. Queues at restaurants shorter. Etc.
Load More Replies...Also justifying the brown-nosed middle management that plague companies. There are at least 5 managers I deal with that can be substituted with email forwarding rules and outlook would do their job better.
Can we please create a list and name and shame those companies (and praise those who allow remote)? Makes it much easier for the next job search.
I get what OP.is saying. But don't forget, people working at "fast food places and other services industries" have to make a living, too. I'm NOT saying it's a reason to end remote work. In fact, I, like a lot of people here, think it should be a choice. But I AM saying, don't be so dismissive of the service industry. It's how a lot of people support their families. And it's thankless enough, already.
Your comment is so dumb Tom. Do you have a license? Do you drive without insurance? Do you beat your family? Steal? Pay taxes? Have clean drinking water? Use your brain for a second. Your comment is so, so, SO dumb.
Load More Replies...Abelism and control. The capitalist system is an abusive one and I'm really hoping that enough people refuse to work for these parasites that this kind of thing actually changes. The loss of approx. 1 million WORKERS will do that to a country.
depends were you work, I've been at a company 20 years and some of us do socialise out of work.
Then you can go on back into the office. Power on. Just don’t expect everybody else to do the same.
Load More Replies...Yeah I have a few actual friends from work so... it depends on how shitty your coworkers are/were
Mine are cool. I still would rather meet them after work for a beer than being forced into the office.
Load More Replies...When I was working, I'd stop in the caff and get my coffee, then make my way to my desk, saying GoodMorning to my work-mates, as usual. One day, I was called on the carpet for 'Socializing' too much in the office. I realized then that Nobody ever said anything to this Boss unless it was work-oriented. He was jealous.
I'm good friends with my coworkers, we're tight. But I only need to see those people once a week.
Yeah, that's one thing that gets overlooked - it's often easier to get along well with your friends because you DON'T see them every day. On the flip side, too many people right now are seeing strain in their marriages because they're not getting a break from their spouse when both are WFM. This hasn't been a problem for my husband and I now that we work on separate levels of the house and so we only really see each other for a few extra minutes during the workday when he walks by my office(and the time normally spent commuting being spent together instead has been really nice, honestly), but when we were working on the same floor of the house, it would drive me nuts to have to hear his phone calls all day every day.
Load More Replies...I slightly disagree. It highly depends on your relationship to your colleagues. I work in a team of three and we really get along well, talk about lots of private stuff and help each other. Things have been really rough in that project recently, but working together really holds us upright. Thing is, though, we work remote and work well that way. We actually don't want to get back into office because we all are way more productive alone at home. Our bosses however, agree that we work nicely and the outcomes are great, but because other teams don't, they want all back to the office finally 🤷♀️
That's the whole point. The fact that you have to spend all that money on all those things is exactly why they want you to go back.
Yip. And hopefully enough people refuse to that and this changes. F**k capitalism.
Load More Replies...The childcare one really gets me. Why should people who are perfectly capable of working from home have to pay someone to look after their children (usually at a cost of hundreds if not thousands a month) when working in the office produces no additional benefit to the company?
Business can write off expenses already on their taxes. Maybe they should allow workers to write them off too to make it more fair.
If a company wants us back in the office, that company should pay for our travel time, gas, child care, pet care, elder care, etc. Let them crunch the numbers and think about it for a while.
No, it would NOT. Much as you might hate any or all of those industries, millions of people rely on them, to support their families. Again, I'm NOT saying that's a reason to end remote work. I don't think remote work SHOULD end. I think it should be a choice. I'm just saying, as much as you may hate the industries, you need to remember that it's the rich fat cat assholes at the top of the ladder, who are corrupt. The ones closer to the bottom have nothing to do with it, and are just regular people like you and me. It's a thankless industry. But they NEED those jobs, just to freaking survive. I'm just asking you to think about that. And no, it's not always as easy as "Just get another job". For a myriad of reasons. When industries implode, it's not the rich CEOs who are really hurt. It's the little guys. Just think about that, okay?
Load More Replies...Cant agree with a single item in this one . *Auto industry decreases not implodes. Environmental win. *Fast food decreases (maybe folks cook more at home) , people get better nutirition live longer and healthier and endd up being less of a drain on public health assistance. Economic win. *Construction industry does not implode and can easily swap to building dwellings for people to live in instead of offices for comanies to stroke their ego with. Homelessness win. *Clothing industry implodes , less child labor . Humanitarian win. *Oil industry implodes, again no. still used for cars - we wont stop driving, still used for home heating no changes there. Just not as profitable as before and again another environm,ental win. Maybe by implode they mean the rich wont get 5 times richer just twice as rich in the same time frame.
There's so much wrong with this post. People ARE working, they're just doing it from home. Nothing's imploding, but some things are overdue for a change.
I have a feeling that fast food and construction will be fine. Food delivery has skyrocketed, and housing sales are through the roof. These industries just need to get better at pivoting
This is never an issue. We're talking office jobs. Admin in all these industries can work for home.
Automotive industry wouldn't implode. Still need work trucks for ag and service. People driving for fun would be more of a thing. Remember when you got you license?(U.S.)how fun driving was, before commuting destroyed enthusiasm?
I never got driving for fun, personally. Had little-to-no interest in being licensed other than that I need to be because I live in the u.s.
Load More Replies...Not necessarily implode but significantly change. Change is interesting if not fun.
He's right, commuting is the most dreadful thing and they don't understand the problem of employees getting to work already tired and stressed out
Yip. And they'll be miserable at work. This control obsession that Boomers have hopefully has to end some day because they'll thankfully all be gone.
Load More Replies...A policy that allows EVERYONE to work from home? Sure. Using this as a reason to NOT offer that option? GFY.
These are terrible examples. Uber does not pay their drivers a liveable wage, instead it averages out by less than 15 dollars/hour (which I am aware, might be better than other jobs in America, it is still too little to live on). Airbnbs are one of the reasons why housing is unaffordable nowadays. Amazon, again, does not pay their employees a liveable wage. Not only that, Amazon has also made it almost impossible for local bookstores (not chains) to survive. Cryptocurrency is absolutely terrible for the environment and, because of the lack of regulations, is increasingly used by human traffickers and other criminals. Remote work should not be in this list.
Yeah I cam here to say that. 3/5 examples are awful, and I don't know anything about crypto. Netflix is ok though, I think?
Load More Replies...Somethings pointed ok but: Crypto=casino. Airbnb is pushing the price of housing for workers. My mate has a company in Barcelona with 200 workers, fittnes/gym swimming etc. Most can't work from home but can't afford to live in Barcelona anymore. Flats that were built as residential buildings are being bought up, in many cases forcing residents to sell (often using dubious tactics) and then re-purposed as Airbnb. Not only does it drive people out, but the residential areas are not designed to be tourist locations. When a building is planned and built it is categorised, residential, commercial etc. The area is developed accordingly, schools, police medical services etc. The same way I can’t turn my house into a pub or restaurant. Airbnb and others have lobbied hard to allow to re-qualify areas that are nor fit for the purpose causing an array of problems.
I live in the metropolitan area of Barcelona and really hope that your mate's company tanks. The damage Airbnb has done not only to the city but the metropolitan area has been criminal
Load More Replies...are you going to give an argument for that overtly incorrect statement? It introduced blockchain and the concept of decentralised finance. That's two innovations at least. Please explain your position.
Load More Replies...People are bogged down on these examples because they are unregulated and therefore operate as unregulated capitalism does operate: which is cutthroat robber baron mode. Once these things are regulated properly to ensure human rights and environmental protections, the traditional equivalents will die. Is there anyone here who honestly thinks that paper money will survive this century? Or coins? Is there anyone here who honestly prefers to drive drunk or rely on a friend to come collect them from a club? Is there anyone here who honestly wants to queue for half an hour, buy overpriced popcorn, then sit in a dark room with covid-infested imbeciles texting on their phones and rustling packets through a movie? The traditional stuff will all die. (Well maybe movie theatres will survive but certainly not traditional TV). Even if Uber sucks, and underpays, etc just regulate it!
I think paper money and coins will survive, even if only for the situation of "oh, my account/card got compromised, and now I have no money until it's recovered." Can't see it disappearing altogether. And I don't understand your club-drinking analogy at all, sure people don't want to drive drunk (hopefully) or have to be escorted, but they *do* want to drink and socialize and that's just the side effect, did you have some replacement in mind?
Load More Replies...It almost makes me wonder if those who own office buildings have bought a lot of stocks in gas and oil....
The insane thing abt bosses STILL at this point "not trusting" their employees to work when they're at home is like... has the work not been getting done the past 2 years??? Your company didn't grind to a screeching halt, SOMEBODY's been working... I'd imagine it's your workers. Doing their work. For 2 years from home without problem. Probably doing more work because they're not wasting time commuting or uncomfortable and unable to focus in a gross office.
It's a control thing. The Boomers that went into upper management are psychopaths that enjoy having control over you. It has NOTHING to do with productivity and they do not care if you're more productive because all they care about is POWER.
Load More Replies...I hope it backfires and people quit in droves. Companies offering remote options are gobbling people up.
What do you mean, whiteness. White people didn't do s**t to you or cause this virus. Besides the capitalist isn't human at this point so no skin color necessary
I guess we all know who Widda is (person who posted). Your comments black people can't be racist is peak privilege you ignorant bitter r.a.c.i.s.t.
'Whiteness' (lol) can be confused with but is not corptotocracy, racist
Hey Widda, people of color absolutely CAN be racist. I face it DAILY at my job. What an ignorant statement you made.
Load More Replies...At first I read 'simulate the economy', and I thought they were making an interesting point
So clever for an idiot, sure they do but you all are barking up the wrong tree
Load More Replies...If the pandemic taught us anything, it’s that most office workers can do the work from home, even better. I personally cannot work from home because of the nature of my job, but I fully support if you do. If your company doesn’t support it, luckily there are many others that do. There are countless remote jobs out there you can choose from.
It's the same thing said in different ways. Many white collar jobs do not require a physical presence. For companies paying huge amounts in rent and utilities, having your team free up those costs is beneficial to everyone. But every blue-collar and manual labour job doesn't have that option. And then there are all the people who could technically do their job remotely but can't (teachers for example), because we depend on their presence in order for us to do our jobs.
WFH is good for both the folks whose jobs can be done from home and those whose jobs require us to come in. If you have to go in, less people making small talk, less traffic, smaller lines for lunch, less micromanaging, the list goes on. You'd think these companies would like offloading their electric and internet costs. Bringing people back is about control. Same as tying your healthcare to your job. If you can WFH and your company is forcing you back, quit. Make this a hill to die on. It's better for the environment, for the people, and for the country (except the businesses that rely on people that commute. But bugger them. After capitalism, right ((lol))).
I posted a graph above showing that actually the WFH thing if anything has been great for capitalism, so share away.
Load More Replies...Me, an extrovert with practical work who mentally went to s**t while "working" from home :')
Well, I'm an extrovert myself, but for that I have family, friends and even acquaintances. In my 20+ career, I've only been able to have a social life within the office for 6 years in 3 different companies because the environment at these companies was adequate for that kind of interactions. But most of the time my social life started after the working hours.
Load More Replies...At least my employers learned something.. I was ALREADY working "remotely" when the pandemic hit...I was just doing it from an office building. I worked in Illinois (tech support) , and 90 percent of the people my team supported were either in another state, or another COUNTRY. But we were not allowed to work from home until COVID. Now, we're permanent.
I decided to copy paste this one here so yall can share it with your friendly neighbourhood capitalist. That's the Dow Jones. The US economy is booming. Without people going back to offices. The dip is covid. Note how it is now HIGHER than pre-covid. Put aside your "but my small business making girl scout cookies." We aren't talking about that, we are talking about corporate sector, white collar work. There is NO good reason to go back to offices. Screen-Sho...38-png.jpg
Oh and the dip at the end there in march is OBVIOUSLY sentiment-driven dip from the war.
Load More Replies...Convenience, that's the one I'm not seeing. Our team grew and moved to another floor, but boss didn't want me to move from office next to his, he often called out to me and moving floors meant more effort I believe. If I was out of the building then even more. From a bosses mind saving them a minute is more important than so much else.
Reminding myself that a lot of people can't do remote work, many of this reads quite whiny (Yeah, expecting downvotes now)
Nah. I'm blue collar and have to go to different job sites everyday. I support remote work where it's possible for every single one of the reasons above. To do otherwise would be petty.
Load More Replies...If the pandemic taught us anything, it’s that most office workers can do the work from home, even better. I personally cannot work from home because of the nature of my job, but I fully support if you do. If your company doesn’t support it, luckily there are many others that do. There are countless remote jobs out there you can choose from.
It's the same thing said in different ways. Many white collar jobs do not require a physical presence. For companies paying huge amounts in rent and utilities, having your team free up those costs is beneficial to everyone. But every blue-collar and manual labour job doesn't have that option. And then there are all the people who could technically do their job remotely but can't (teachers for example), because we depend on their presence in order for us to do our jobs.
WFH is good for both the folks whose jobs can be done from home and those whose jobs require us to come in. If you have to go in, less people making small talk, less traffic, smaller lines for lunch, less micromanaging, the list goes on. You'd think these companies would like offloading their electric and internet costs. Bringing people back is about control. Same as tying your healthcare to your job. If you can WFH and your company is forcing you back, quit. Make this a hill to die on. It's better for the environment, for the people, and for the country (except the businesses that rely on people that commute. But bugger them. After capitalism, right ((lol))).
I posted a graph above showing that actually the WFH thing if anything has been great for capitalism, so share away.
Load More Replies...Me, an extrovert with practical work who mentally went to s**t while "working" from home :')
Well, I'm an extrovert myself, but for that I have family, friends and even acquaintances. In my 20+ career, I've only been able to have a social life within the office for 6 years in 3 different companies because the environment at these companies was adequate for that kind of interactions. But most of the time my social life started after the working hours.
Load More Replies...At least my employers learned something.. I was ALREADY working "remotely" when the pandemic hit...I was just doing it from an office building. I worked in Illinois (tech support) , and 90 percent of the people my team supported were either in another state, or another COUNTRY. But we were not allowed to work from home until COVID. Now, we're permanent.
I decided to copy paste this one here so yall can share it with your friendly neighbourhood capitalist. That's the Dow Jones. The US economy is booming. Without people going back to offices. The dip is covid. Note how it is now HIGHER than pre-covid. Put aside your "but my small business making girl scout cookies." We aren't talking about that, we are talking about corporate sector, white collar work. There is NO good reason to go back to offices. Screen-Sho...38-png.jpg
Oh and the dip at the end there in march is OBVIOUSLY sentiment-driven dip from the war.
Load More Replies...Convenience, that's the one I'm not seeing. Our team grew and moved to another floor, but boss didn't want me to move from office next to his, he often called out to me and moving floors meant more effort I believe. If I was out of the building then even more. From a bosses mind saving them a minute is more important than so much else.
Reminding myself that a lot of people can't do remote work, many of this reads quite whiny (Yeah, expecting downvotes now)
Nah. I'm blue collar and have to go to different job sites everyday. I support remote work where it's possible for every single one of the reasons above. To do otherwise would be petty.
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