Fellas, is it feminine to respect others?
What makes someone a “real man” is up for debate. Is it having an expensive car? Being great at football? Spending your weekends fishing and drinking beer? Or looking down on artists, vegetarians and anyone else who hasn’t pumped their veins full of toxic masculinity?
We all know clinging onto rigid, outdated ideas of what it means to be a man is ridiculous. Well, most of us know that. But for some reason, there are still people out there trying to gatekeep masculinity, so today, we’re calling them out. From making up rules about what kinds of cars men are allowed to have to claiming that guys aren’t allowed to take naps (We all get sleepy, don’t we?!), down below, we’ve gathered some of the most arbitrary restrictions placed upon men that have been shared in Gatekeeping subreddit.
Be sure to upvote the posts you find most absurd, and don’t forget to press the button hard and fast. Just like a real man would! Then, if you’re interested in reading another Bored Panda article highlighting how ridiculous toxic masculinity is, check out this story next!
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Bones For Boners
Yeah Screw Modern Safety Regulations!! I'd Rather Die An Unrecognizable Heap Of Flesh Tangled In A 2 Ton Machine Than Risk My Masculinity Being Questioned!
Gatekeeping Masculinity Over Hairstyles
Nobody likes to be placed in a box. But unfortunately, society loves to put everyone in boxes. Men might have more privilege than women in many places, but that doesn’t make them immune to the harm of toxic masculinity. The idea that a woman must be a certain way works in the opposite direction as well. Men are expected to be strong, take up space, be unafraid of anything, be unemotional and apparently, they’re not allowed to enjoy self-care or anything relaxing. We know that guys are just as capable as women of being sensitive, emotional, artistic, and loving, but some people seem to ignore that idea and equate masculinity with loud cars that pollute the earth and eating mass quantities of meat.
My partner self identifies as a “soy boy” because we don’t eat meat, and instead eat a lot of tofu and tempeh, but this phrase has been used as an insult by many men who seem to be a bit less confident in their masculinity. The idea that eating soy products makes someone less of a man or that it lowers testosterone levels (it doesn't) is just one of the arbitrary beliefs placed on men to try to keep them in a box and narrow the definition of masculinity. This list is full of similar examples, so we hope you get a kick out of reading them, but it’s also a bit painful to realize that some people actually posted these ideas unironically…
You Simply Cannot Be Jacked And Smart At The Same Time. It Doesn't Work That Way
Gatekeeping Masculinity As It Relates To... Car Features
Now, don’t get me wrong. I hope it goes without saying that it is perfectly fine to be a guy who really does love football, cars, fishing, drinking beers, fixing cars, eating steak and working out. Plenty of people enjoy these things, regardless of their gender! But the point is that we have to understand that these are not gender-specific interests. Plenty of women know how to fix up a car, and plenty of guys don’t. That doesn’t change their gender identity one bit. And we can’t look down on anyone else who doesn’t share the same interests we do. We’re all free to choose how we like to spend our time, but deciding to expend energy shaming others is just a waste of time.
Just like strict gender roles and expectations can have a negative impact on women, the same can be said for men. Toxic masculinity is often used to perpetuate ideas such as “boys will be boys”, allowing boys and men to get away with inappropriate behavior because that’s just how they are! They can’t help it! The pressure to look and act a certain way can also have devastating effects on the mental health of boys and men. When they’re taught they can’t share their emotions or open up, it’s easy for their internal struggles to go unnoticed and unaddressed.
Why Drive A Small, Affordable, Efficient Car When Bigger = Betterer ??
Running costs, efficiency, easier to park, easier to navigate traffic. Where do I begin?
Because I don't need to compensate for anything. I also like people to be able to see past my car.
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Good for you. A lot of women know what the size (or noise) is compensating for.
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Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto that I could afford. Should I, therefore, be made the subject of fun?
I guess so? (Also damn you for beating me to it!)
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Because,if it has some pep,its like driving a street legal go-kart.
I have a family to feed and I'd rather a small vehicle and great food than a small d**k and large truck. Hey, if you're that rich a*****e, be my guest but I make do with what I have and for my family.
I'm in the sticks in North Dakota, where snowdrifts are often waist deep on my 5'11" self. Often 40+mph wind w/50+mph gusts. Did I forget to mention the waist deep snow? Puff up, lil "man", but I'm far from rich, but I do need to feed my people. I accept 10/11mpg as the price of living on a farmstead. Bring your lil Asian ecobox out here to the real world (effing Philly? They plow your streets, tool), and: You. Will. Die. Oh, and if you worry about the size of other men's equipment while downing their choice of vehicles, you must be gay. Why else are you tripping on penis size? Something to think about, if you're able.
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Literally every man trying to be “manly” drives a truck that takes up like 5 parking spots
Every morning, on my way to work, I meet a huge guy driving a hot pink car. Don't know who he is, but I'm guessing he gets good gas mileage
"As a woman, why are you driving a "penis extension"?" would be my clapback.
Because a short wheelbase and light weight are FUN you fake gearhead.
Because my sense of self does not rely on accumulation of material goods.
I can drive what i like. Like others read what they like. The real polluters are the ones who "only driving from A to B". Take a cab. But fear not. I got myself an airplane now to have fun.
Because, I like to save money and have extra coin in my pocket at my destination. Besides, being Small and Nimble I can avoid your jacked up truck a*s!
As a man, why do you insist on working 40+ hours a week for it to all go into your gas tank just so you can make it back for the next 40+ hours.
Plus isn't buying a version of a thing that is extra expensive because it has capabilities I don't need kind of....I don't know.....dumb?
Seeing how a women said this; Why are you posting a question and not making that man a sandwich? Oh? Because you're an individual and not limited to a box of stereotypes? Then shut up!
My best friend sitting in here watching it with me and he told me to say in his words "because I am not a lazy a*s that doesn't want to kill the planet I drive a small car to save my planet" oh so I know he also says to say this "I also drive smaller vehicle because gas is f*****g expensive"
My husband (1,92m/6'4") once got a Smart car from the repair shop for 2 days when our car had broken down. Driving around with my bear of a husband in it, it really seemed like a clown car... I'm so sad I don't have any pictures.
Ugh, how did it seem worse when I saw the person posting this was a woman
This is a great way to weed out who's going to be good with money. The crummy ones talk like this
AS A MAN GUN=FUN BIG CARS NO TOATSY A*S CHEEKS NO AIRBAGS AND LETS GO DRINK BEER BURPPPPP
As a womna, why do you ask dumb a*s question publicly on the internet?
My husband Owner of macho pickup truck borrows my small hatchback because it's much better on gas for his commute to work
... to compensate for my impractically large interleg equipment? Or because it's fun. Or because a lot of reasons. Large cars NEVER are fun, unless they're fast and you're on the Autobahn - size doesn't matter much there, more how streamlined it is, and how well it goes straight at high speeds.
Theyll all park their Tiny cars on the hood of his bigass car because histun out of gass And is Just a garden decoration
As a supposedly intelligent human being, why do you judge people by the car that they drive?
Have you looked at the prices of American pick up trucks lately? For the cost of one I could put a deposit on a small house...maybe.
One of my girlfriends used to complain about the size of my cars. They were sports cars. We didn't last.
Why are you not? Small cars are awesome. When everyone else was struggling to park in the city, me and my 99 Civic Coupe hatch was fitting between dividers and spaces you'd dream to use.
I am just happy to have a car to be honest, i don't give a flying fart how big it is as long as it works.
Mehhh the man does have a point there, i always drove hatchbacks and truth be told i love an angry little agile car, but then i bought a Pickup truck, and driving it was só much fun, on the otherhand, parking it, maintenance, tires, etc where sheer expencive hell.....
I have a full size truck that rides better than any car I’ve owned. I’m the guy my friends call when it’s time to haul something they can’t get in their cute small cars can’t. I drive it cause it’s my choice.
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Because I feel bigger in it. Also why unmarried a really short woman. I’m not tall but it’s nice to feel tall sometimes.
My Masculinity Is Defined By My Inability To Read
Loud Cars Are The Peak Of Masculinity
“Men tend to keep so much bottled up inside. This includes all the traumas and heart-breaking moments. Eventually there has to be a release. And too often that is in an explosive way,” says Ron Blake, a social justice activist and public speaker. When men aren’t taught how to express their emotions, they can become overwhelmed easily when they don’t know what to do with their feelings. This can lead to expressions of physical violence, such as sexual violence, domestic abuse, gun violence or physical dominance. When kept on the inside, these undealt feelings often manifest in depression, addiction or even suicide. It’s dangerous for everyone to impose rigid views of masculinity.
Napping Is A Female Thing
Apparently How You Eat Your Steak Determines Your Level Of Masculinity
I just bite on live cattle grazing. Tarzan is how hardware store employees refer to me.
Ok Boomer
While men and women are both prone to struggling with mental health issues, men are far more likely to die by suicide and far less likely to utilize mental health services. So what should we be doing to combat this toxic masculinity? According to Mens Group, it’s important to first identify your role in these gender norms and what beliefs you hold that you want to challenge. “If you were abusive in your relationships, you need to learn better coping mechanisms and cope with anger,” Mens Group explains. “You can only find a way forward by first understanding where you are. It starts with self-examining your behavior and identifying areas that require positive change.”
Masculinity Gatekeeping
Gatekeeping Skin Masculinity
30 years ago, the only people with tattoos could be roughly divided into the military and criminals. When your grandmother gets inked, it’s a sign that tattoos are now about as countercultural and rebellious as wearing red socks.
Combating toxic masculinity will also likely lead to some difficult or uncomfortable conversations. “This is achievable by talking to people of the opposite gender identities and expressions,” Mens Group notes. “You need to talk about gender biases concerning masculinity. This will give you an understanding of how your behavior affects people of the opposite gender.”
“Men need to learn not to get defensive when having these difficult conversations. The aim of the talks should be to seek understanding, which helps to facilitate positive change.”
Fishing = Peak Masculinity
So Phones Determine Your Masculinity
You Are Not A Man If You Have Blonde Hair, Apparently
This actually pisses me off. My dad was naturally blonde. He was Swedish by genetics/heritage. He was a good man and a great father. Eff you and your idiotic, nonsensical prejudices, Emmy.
It’s important that we educate young boys that there really is no “box” they need to fit into. It’s all arbitrary. They can make their own decisions about what they are interested in and how they want to express themselves, and we should never make them feel guilty or looked down upon for showing emotions. Teach boys to help out around the house and in the kitchen just as much as their sisters, and teach them to respect all people, regardless of their gender, sexual orientation, interests, etc. Essentially, combating toxic masculinity should be as simple as raising boys and girls equally and never shaming boys for being themselves. But unfortunately, due to the way society currently is, it takes a bit of correcting past prejudices.
Fragile Masculinity
Ever Had Your Masculinity And Eating Habits Gatekept By A Bottle Of Cheap Hot Sauce?
Gatekeeping Fatherhood, Masculinity, All Sorts Really
The Book of Man also notes that when fighting toxic masculinity, one great step is to dare to be vulnerable with your male friends, to show them that it’s okay and even welcomed. “Show strength by crying. Do this in the knowledge that all men go through emotional difficulties. Daily!” they write. “It’s true that if one man shows it’s okay to do something, we, as pack animals, tend to follow. So open up yourself, and become that person your friends open up to too. Men tend to either keep emotional traumas to themselves or go for female support. While the latter is a wonderful thing, surely we can make a decision to serve that support role to our buddies too. But it takes a hardy soul to stick their neck above the parapet first to see if we’re in the clear to do so. Be that soul.”
Gate Keeping Masculinity
Gatekeeping Masculinity
Gatekeeping Masculinity
And don’t stop questioning why things are the way they are. Because often, there’s not a great reason. “It’s a bloodless revolution,” The Book of Man writes. “A revolution in the head, but not in the inward looking way it was in the Sixties, because you want to effect lasting change, and not be naked all the time. Question the way we are brought up, question the systems of power, question how you are being controlled, question all thinking about being a man. Seek some answers for yourself and take responsibility. The end to toxic masculinity has to be started by men so it becomes socially unacceptable. Let’s start the change now.”
Gatekeeping Sports And Masculinity
Fragile Masculinity Gatekeeping Boxes
Imagine Gatekeeping Shoes As A Sign Of Masculinity
According to this list, men must have beards, have loud, large cars, be great at fishing, play sports, must eat meat, must not recycle, must not wear sneakers, must never take naps, must have tattoos, must not have an iPhone, along with much more… It is exhausting even reading this list, let alone trying to live in a way that conforms to these silly ideas. I hope all of you pandas know that, regardless of your gender, you can behave however you like. As long as you respect others, how you dress and what hobbies you choose to have are completely up to you. A real man is someone who identifies as a man! Keep upvoting the posts you find most comical, and then if you’re interested in reading another article discussing toxic masculinity, look no further than right here.
Being A Man
Gatekeeping Masculinity And Trailer Hitches
Because Driving What You Enjoy Is Shameful
These guys are going to faint when they find out fire trucks are automatic.
This Man Has A Comic Book Character Pfp, Btw
So Much Bs Toxic Masculinity In This, Glad I'm Not A "Real Man"
Wait, I thought real men were supposed to have beards, and that shaving was "gay"! Now they say to use straight shavers, and an e-book! Aren't e-books "gay" too? I'm really confused now on how to be a real man! It's making me giddy!
Gatekeeping Whatever Tf This Is
Bolt from an AR-15 / M16. Any man or woman who spent time in the military recognizes it (and has spent hours cleaning it!)
I went through these and, in conclusion, have no interest in being a "real man".
„Real man“ don‘t need your approval. They just crawl their beard and sort their toolbox or whatever.
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@VonBlade, my husband doesn't "conform" but is a man. He is, specifically, *my* man and I love him because he's not the incel-misogynist-weird-AF "man" these people think he should be. He's my personal hero, and I am glad he doesn't conform. I don't conform to all female gender stereotypes, either, and so we match :-)
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Holy guacamole, the misogyny in this post is off the chart! I can’t believe people question the need for feminism when boys grow up being told at every turn that anything they do is ‘gay’ and ‘girly’.
Men, as long as you are a decent human being, your hobbies, preferences, looks, cars, don't make me think any less of you, or make me feel that you are unmanly. Paint your nails, collect miniature trains, become a bodybuilder, make a pink bicycle your main mode of transport, watch cartoons, drink hot chocolate wirh sprinkles, grow a beard that reaches your knees, love music that everyone hates, or just be as average and mainstream as can be. If you embrace what you truly like, that is the coolest asset you can have.
@Dan Dilly, your comments are now cracking me up, thank you for the laughs. And it's not medical. I am an MD, and you can't run that past me without my calling bullsh*t. I've had and I've treated frostbite and hypothermia. Your "real man" status doesn't do a da*n thing against either. You can make what jokes you want (I pray they're jokes) but you don't get to throw around that BS and say it's "medical".
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Okay, okay. Now let's talk about what makes a real man. As a real man myself, I have all the fûckíng expertise I need to talk about this. First: exist. Second: identify as a man. Third: don't be so insecure about your own masculinity that you start gatekeeping what a real man is, that's pathetic. And now crack open a beer. Or a prosecco. Or tea. Whatever floats your boat I guess.
And that’s the tea, folks. This. Insecure men braying about masculinity is the absolute biggest turnoff in existence. The… biggest.
Load More Replies... Real men die at 35 of heart disease, cancer, emphysema, stroke and diseases that can be treated with vaccines. Just like their forefathers. Who were dumber than we are today.
This whole thread was about a bunch of homophobes who also hate women- ironically. Why are female things so bad to some men? I don't understand how we aren't supposed to be afraid or hate men when they have no problem telling you regularly that they hate everything about you. And that you should hate everything about you. And that you are lesser than them.
I hear you, but if also like to point out how much of this men hear from women. It's honestly disturbing how much stereotyping is done by both sexes to both sexes out of insecurity about themselves.
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I think I vomited in my mouth reading these. The scary part is just how many of these come from women who were raised to believe that if a man isn't the epitome of machismo than he is nothing more than a weakling
For much of my life I've had people try to gatekeep my masculinity because I'm gay. Sometime in my 20s I realized that these people, their opinions of me...they don't matter. I'm a man no matter what they say or think. They have no power over me, and never had. I'm free. They could be free, too. They'd rather spend their lives seeing their masculinity as some frail pathetic thing they could lose by wearing the wrong shoes. And they say I'm the weak one.
Some of the toughest people I know are gay men. There is no way these type of people making these comments could put up with half the s**t most gay men go through without a full on mental breakdown.
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Even here in (more or less) Balkans, I can't say I ever saw stupidity and arrogance brought quite to these levels.
Being manly means doing what you want to do, not what others tell you you should do.
Just think, people are going about their day thinking that hard about either coming off a real man, or trying to bring men down.
If that is what "real men" are I'm glad that I have no "real men" in my life.
Is there a difference between gatekeeping masculinity as opposed to being just a tool? I am starting to think this term is being misapplied in some way and furthermore somehow validating these knobs when they are simply straight up, run of the mill losers. We shouldn't apply modern terminology to these d***s. People should be grateful for the warning signs so they are not seen as possible mating prospects til they learn.
Wanna bet the “real men” who wrote these do recycle, take naps, play video games, etc. when they think nobody is watching?
I'm confused by this stuff it seems to have a lot of contradictions in it.
Aragorn, propably the manliest man to ever man cried over lost friends, loved with all his heart, admitted when he needed help, had a beautiful singing voice, had luscious long hair, was soft spoken... and never made any rules what a true man should be. Those insecure gatekeepers, whose whole identity circle around not to show anything 'weak' and to feel better then others are propably the weakest of us all.
don't comply with majority of this. let me weep and get giddy booking another triathlon
CAN SOMEONE TELL ME WHAT IS WRONG WITH BEING HOMOSEXUAL... I JES GOT OFFENDED BCS IM LESBIAN-
I’m a male myself and conservative but I find this bizarre and just plain toxic. OK let me say this in general. We’ve been conforming to gender stereotypes too damn much. Masculinity that isn’t toxic is better and just as masculine without being a jerk. Also toxic feminism is equally harmful as toxic masculinity.
Real men don’t have to flaunt how manly they are and gatekeep masculinity to feel better about themselves.
The overwhelming stench of fear to be called gay sure seems a little desperate. These are the same guys afraid to wipe their own a$$ for fear of liking to touch their own b******e. Guess they don't understand that women are tired of this macho BS. These most likely MAGAts will not be reproducing any time soon.
Note to self: Do not revisit this thread. Its dumbassery may lead to mutiny of surviving brain cells.
My husband orders "girly drinks", hates sports, drives a manual, plays video games, and enjoys being silly. Only one of these was approved by this list and I'm okay with that because that means that I got to him first.
This is so disturbing to see that so many people believe s**t like this.
What a really, really strange post. Can't quite wrap my brain around this one...
I've haven't read such s**t in a long time. This was real diarrhea, butt exploding c**p. How do the incels come up with this 💩
funny how some of these brain-farts are produced by females or at least entities posing as such, judging by the avatars; also, applying the bird app trend that only members of a group are allowed by teh interwebz (wink wink) to talk in matters concerning the group - what do these females, or female impersonators, think they're doing.../s
You should have read the comments. They were very supportive of men.
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I went through these and, in conclusion, have no interest in being a "real man".
„Real man“ don‘t need your approval. They just crawl their beard and sort their toolbox or whatever.
Load More Replies... @VonBlade, my husband doesn't "conform" but is a man. He is, specifically, *my* man and I love him because he's not the incel-misogynist-weird-AF "man" these people think he should be. He's my personal hero, and I am glad he doesn't conform. I don't conform to all female gender stereotypes, either, and so we match :-)
Load More Replies... Holy guacamole, the misogyny in this post is off the chart! I can’t believe people question the need for feminism when boys grow up being told at every turn that anything they do is ‘gay’ and ‘girly’.
Men, as long as you are a decent human being, your hobbies, preferences, looks, cars, don't make me think any less of you, or make me feel that you are unmanly. Paint your nails, collect miniature trains, become a bodybuilder, make a pink bicycle your main mode of transport, watch cartoons, drink hot chocolate wirh sprinkles, grow a beard that reaches your knees, love music that everyone hates, or just be as average and mainstream as can be. If you embrace what you truly like, that is the coolest asset you can have.
@Dan Dilly, your comments are now cracking me up, thank you for the laughs. And it's not medical. I am an MD, and you can't run that past me without my calling bullsh*t. I've had and I've treated frostbite and hypothermia. Your "real man" status doesn't do a da*n thing against either. You can make what jokes you want (I pray they're jokes) but you don't get to throw around that BS and say it's "medical".
Load More Replies... Okay, okay. Now let's talk about what makes a real man. As a real man myself, I have all the fûckíng expertise I need to talk about this. First: exist. Second: identify as a man. Third: don't be so insecure about your own masculinity that you start gatekeeping what a real man is, that's pathetic. And now crack open a beer. Or a prosecco. Or tea. Whatever floats your boat I guess.
And that’s the tea, folks. This. Insecure men braying about masculinity is the absolute biggest turnoff in existence. The… biggest.
Load More Replies... Real men die at 35 of heart disease, cancer, emphysema, stroke and diseases that can be treated with vaccines. Just like their forefathers. Who were dumber than we are today.
This whole thread was about a bunch of homophobes who also hate women- ironically. Why are female things so bad to some men? I don't understand how we aren't supposed to be afraid or hate men when they have no problem telling you regularly that they hate everything about you. And that you should hate everything about you. And that you are lesser than them.
I hear you, but if also like to point out how much of this men hear from women. It's honestly disturbing how much stereotyping is done by both sexes to both sexes out of insecurity about themselves.
Load More Replies... I think I vomited in my mouth reading these. The scary part is just how many of these come from women who were raised to believe that if a man isn't the epitome of machismo than he is nothing more than a weakling
For much of my life I've had people try to gatekeep my masculinity because I'm gay. Sometime in my 20s I realized that these people, their opinions of me...they don't matter. I'm a man no matter what they say or think. They have no power over me, and never had. I'm free. They could be free, too. They'd rather spend their lives seeing their masculinity as some frail pathetic thing they could lose by wearing the wrong shoes. And they say I'm the weak one.
Some of the toughest people I know are gay men. There is no way these type of people making these comments could put up with half the s**t most gay men go through without a full on mental breakdown.
Load More Replies... Even here in (more or less) Balkans, I can't say I ever saw stupidity and arrogance brought quite to these levels.
Being manly means doing what you want to do, not what others tell you you should do.
Just think, people are going about their day thinking that hard about either coming off a real man, or trying to bring men down.
If that is what "real men" are I'm glad that I have no "real men" in my life.
Is there a difference between gatekeeping masculinity as opposed to being just a tool? I am starting to think this term is being misapplied in some way and furthermore somehow validating these knobs when they are simply straight up, run of the mill losers. We shouldn't apply modern terminology to these d***s. People should be grateful for the warning signs so they are not seen as possible mating prospects til they learn.
Wanna bet the “real men” who wrote these do recycle, take naps, play video games, etc. when they think nobody is watching?
I'm confused by this stuff it seems to have a lot of contradictions in it.
Aragorn, propably the manliest man to ever man cried over lost friends, loved with all his heart, admitted when he needed help, had a beautiful singing voice, had luscious long hair, was soft spoken... and never made any rules what a true man should be. Those insecure gatekeepers, whose whole identity circle around not to show anything 'weak' and to feel better then others are propably the weakest of us all.
don't comply with majority of this. let me weep and get giddy booking another triathlon
CAN SOMEONE TELL ME WHAT IS WRONG WITH BEING HOMOSEXUAL... I JES GOT OFFENDED BCS IM LESBIAN-
I’m a male myself and conservative but I find this bizarre and just plain toxic. OK let me say this in general. We’ve been conforming to gender stereotypes too damn much. Masculinity that isn’t toxic is better and just as masculine without being a jerk. Also toxic feminism is equally harmful as toxic masculinity.
Real men don’t have to flaunt how manly they are and gatekeep masculinity to feel better about themselves.
The overwhelming stench of fear to be called gay sure seems a little desperate. These are the same guys afraid to wipe their own a$$ for fear of liking to touch their own b******e. Guess they don't understand that women are tired of this macho BS. These most likely MAGAts will not be reproducing any time soon.
Note to self: Do not revisit this thread. Its dumbassery may lead to mutiny of surviving brain cells.
My husband orders "girly drinks", hates sports, drives a manual, plays video games, and enjoys being silly. Only one of these was approved by this list and I'm okay with that because that means that I got to him first.
This is so disturbing to see that so many people believe s**t like this.
What a really, really strange post. Can't quite wrap my brain around this one...
I've haven't read such s**t in a long time. This was real diarrhea, butt exploding c**p. How do the incels come up with this 💩
funny how some of these brain-farts are produced by females or at least entities posing as such, judging by the avatars; also, applying the bird app trend that only members of a group are allowed by teh interwebz (wink wink) to talk in matters concerning the group - what do these females, or female impersonators, think they're doing.../s
You should have read the comments. They were very supportive of men.
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