40 Annoying Literary Moments That Drive Readers Up The Wall: As Shared By The Bored Panda Community
Most of us enjoy cuddling up with our favorite book in the evening and immersing ourselves in the author's imaginative or actual world with a goal to learn, entertain and relax.
However, from time to time, when reading a book, we notice things that seem to spoil our entire appetite for reading! This is where our community members share the biggest literary pet peeves they've noticed!
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Where did putting the number of the series on the spine go? Huh??? SOMEBODY TELL ME!!!
To add to this, changing the style, writing direction/size, size and or picture style of a series of books so people can never have a pleasing set. Looking at you discworld. Slowly buying my way through the editions specifically made to stop this issue that people had to scream for years for.
I thought the cover designs had to.change due to the original illustrator taking the bony one's hand across the black sands?
Load More Replies...Every time I decide to reread a series, I have to look up the order of books. Now, I write it on a post-it note and stick it inside the cover of the first book of the series.
I once read a book and the male lead just kept calling her Woman, I got so fed up with it I used my calibre to replace Woman with her actual name.. hqdefault-...bad8b4.jpg
That's one of mine, too. I refuse to buy any book of a series unless I know where to get the rest and what order to read them in.
Too many prequels. If an author decides to create a prequel, does it become "Narnia negative one?" Should you even start with the prequels? I'd argue "The Magicians Nephew" works far better AFTER you've read "The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe," and that watching Star Wars 1-3 turns Star Wars 4-6 from one of the best trilogies into a sappy story filled with plot holes and implausibilities.
I think they should put the book order on the outside too. At least then you will know which one to read next.
You know it's time to stop buying a series when the author's name is larger than the title. Even more so when its "...with."
Women characters written by men. Especially when everything they do has to do with their breasts. Or when it’s an adventure/action novel and the woman has to be portrayed as emotionless, fully badass, and completely misogynistic to other women because god forbid a girl with stereotypically feminine qualities is also tough and powerful.
Oh, yes, yes, yes. I tried a few novels with women as the central characters written by men. Now I don't care what the book is. If it's about a woman and written by a man, I will not read it!
That's sad because there are actually some good ones out there. Particularly, Nevernight. That series is spectacular!
Load More Replies..."She walked boobily across the room." That's an actual quote from a fantasy book my hubby was reading.
It's not just male authors that do that. Laurel K Hamilton's Anita Blake is exactly like that, and every time she discovers she has feelings there's a whole chapter on her and her fellas marveling over them and working them out.
That's funny. As soon as I read that, I thought of Anita Blake, too! But I'm not so sure it's the author as the main character in the Merry Gentry series, while careful with her feelings, still has a full range of them.
Load More Replies...Depends on the feminine quality. If you're a badass assassin chick, I don't want to read about how cute the super impractical shoes you can't afford are.
I agree. Stopped reading one of them when the man actually thought he could write about a woman's period. brainless
I wouldn't limit that to male authors, women are also capable of ruining a female protagonist that way. The idea that being an unlikeable a*****e equals strength is gender neutral
Depends on writter. Some male writters can write good female characters, other really don't . I once read book, where female character was relatively well written, until she wasn't. So this character met her friend and give her detailed description of clothes she was wearing. While standing next to her friend. Her friend wasn't blind. The she proceeded to tell her friend that new guy in car service was obviously gay, but despite that, he was good at his job. (Yeah, I don't get it either. ) Um, sir, that's not how women talk.
A woman telling me that I write great female characters was the biggest praise of my writing I've ever got.
There is this awful book I just can't remember the name of that became a bit of a meme because the author would constantly boast about how his female protagonist was the best female protagonist, a faithful wife, a good woman but strong and all that crap...but he'd constantly talk about her ass and her boobs. He'd start a comment war over every negative review he received and I'm so frustrated that I can't remember the name....
Is this the author of the now famously terrible 'she walked boobily'
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Typos, misspellings, inaccurate changes in later scenes (in the first, he ordered a burger, but later in the same meal he cuts his steak), using the wrong name. Where the hell are the editors?
This annoys the hell out of me and is one of the main reasons I wanted to be an editor. I couldn't believe anyone could miss these things.
I am an editor. Stuff like this annoys the c**p out of me. The author should at least go through their manuscript to make sure it has continuity before it gets to the editor's desk.
Load More Replies...I've started lots of promising ebooks, then dropped them over that stuff. Many ebook authors do not get them professionally checked. Heck, some ebook authors who've published lots have this happen.
The editor of my hardcover edition of "A dance with dragons" doesn't know how to spell "colossal". They spelt it "collossal". Twice.
Double consonants are my weakness. To be fair, they have NO rules whatsoever - it's all just memorization.
Load More Replies...Bad editing (or no editing) can completely ruin a book for me. It can be the best story in the world but if it’s full of typos or grammatical errors, I just can’t.
Calling characters by first name or last name, to make sure that you never know who is doing what
Tolstoy is a devil for this. Every character has a first name, a patronymic (father's name with a suffix), maybe a surname too, and often a familiar name (nickname) *and* a title (medical or military rank, job title etc). Then he uses and and all of these interchangably to refer to the same person and has a character list in the dozens.
Load More Replies...Busy hiring multiple writers and pasting their concoctions into something that's supposed to appear consistent. But it reads like something designed by a committee that never had a meeting.
I feel like this has become much worse in recent years at least in "throw away" press like newspaper / magazine / online articles. Probably due to budget cuts and hurrying to get stories out. I see so many spelling / typo / grammatical mistakes compared to decades past. Sometimes even a string of words with a period at the end that does not make a sentence.
I am terrible at grammar but I do catch errors every now and then.
How every single book that exists is a New York Times Bestseller or is written by a New York Times Bestselling Author... That's like the participation award for writers at this point.
Well, I think it seems like that because the New York Times Bestsellers... are the bestsellers... therefore being more common... therefore it seems like all books you read end up being labeled as "New York Times Bestselling Author."
Actually, the NYT Bestsellers aren't necessarily bestsellers. The list is compiled only partially from sales data, and the NYT does not fully disclose how they create the list. The paper itself has said that it is not "mathematically objective".
Load More Replies...Pro tip: NYT bestsellers don't get there by purchases by individuals. It has to do with bulk orders. If an author has enough money (or backers), they can become bestselling authors within minutes of publishing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7H5kFGEyUw&ab_channel=AustinMcConnell
I couldn't give a rat's butt-cheek about whatever book the New York Times is shilling. It's meaningless.
The publishers buy up a TON of copies (of their own books) to later be resold at events, book signings, etc. Just to make this list, thought it was common knowledge by now. It's why pretty much everything by a big publisher is or has been on the NYT "bestseller" list!
Its just like car awards. Companies or publishers in this case can just make up their own best sellers list to market their new publishers or their best selling publisher. Look more into independent book critics. Or better yet, find a few or several writers you enjoy most and follow them online to catch their latest writings.
One close to me made the NYT-BS list. Didn't seem to change her much. Whew.
When you're reading a really good book/series, but its quality starts to go down slowly.
Something that drives me crazy is those fantasy series in which there's a little magical person who has to save everyone. We're almost at the end and none of her magic powers are working. Suddenly, she remembers an old power that she hasn't used in years and everyone is saved!
this is called the 'deus ex machina' trope. it's really annoying.
Load More Replies...It seems that every author wants to start franchise once they succeed. You read book, you enjoy it, and nothing gets resolved. So you read sequel, and then another, and another, until you don't enjoy it anymore. But you still want to know how it will end. After too many sequels it finally end, and it's most unsatisfying ending you can imagine.
I know a couple like that, where you think "you should have ended this earlier." There's one series I'm reading which is at book 17, and they've all been great. Other series? Not so much.
And then they start churning out sequels...I mean 'novels that take place in the same world' faster than you can go through a roll of TP and about the same quality of content.
Anne Rice vampire series. I fell in love with it, but after queen of the damned it just gets worse every book.
Or they repeat some of the plot points from an earlier book in the series. Sorry Orsen Scott Card some of your series could be a book shorter.
Or reading an outstanding fiction and don't want it to end, and the resolution is so flat and unimaginative that you can't believe the author ran out of steam. (Steven King's IT).
If you're kidnapped, but fall 'in love' with your kidnapper, it's not love. It's Stockholm syndrome.
And the thing about Stockholm Syndrome is that is happened once. It can't be applied to any other kidnapping situation. And the reason it became a thing in the Stockholm situation is that the kidnappers were really, really nice to their victims. No random violence, no shouting, and screaming, no brutality.
You mean, A Disney Movie? OK, in reality if the person is already trapped and they are "kidnapped" into freedom with a wider world view...and they fall in love... is that also Stockholm Syndrome? Depends on what you describe as freedom, i guess.
Yeah, or attempt to delete their existence numerous times and express hating them then you fall in love with them after realizing "we're totally so similar, even tho ur a mass murderer and I'm some random person!"
I don't care for this statement, because in a good story people can change and well written "bad guys" have sympathetic backstories. It's not always Stockholm Syndrome.
Yeah...but no. It might be Stockholm Syndrome which is a real psychological phenomenon, or the two may genuinely fall in love. Context is everything.
This is a trope in every RomCom. The two main characters hate each other before they fall in love
Heart's Surender by Kathleen Morgan, & Warrior's Woman by Johanna Lindsey.
Lending a book to someone and it coming back dogeared, or otherwise messed up.
Why do people do this? I guesss they view books as disposable? Read once and toss? I have books that I bought years ago.
Look to be honest...Books are not read and used as often as they should. A well worn book borrowed and returned with an observable "read" having taken place is no sin in my world.
Load More Replies...I don't really mind this. I feel like a book is there for reading and a few creases or coffee drips means it is being read (and hopefully enjoyed). The only exception I have is my nice hard covers, in particular a Jane Austen collection that had gold edged pages that my sister scratched her name into (and still denies).
I'm the opposite here. Someone lent me a book which she said she read but you could barely tell it had even been opened. I just couldn't read it. I was afraid to open it. I know there are a lot of people who like to take care of their books. But I like to enjoy my books without worrying I'm going to spill something and if the author says something stupid, I want to feel free to tell him off in margin. No, books aren't disposable but they do like to be read.
Your answer makes sense of a behavior and attitude I didn't understand. Thanks for explaining it.
Load More Replies...If I give you a book that I OWN, it is not for your enjoyment. It is a test for my TRUST.
Or not coming back at all. I never loan books that I can't replace!
I get annoyed when a library book I've borrowed has been marked up. I assume it's because a student used it as a a resource for a school project. Most of the time, thank goodness, the marks are in pencil. I'm the person who erases all those marks as I read. 😒
The same here. And i've noticed that all library books have had the corner of the pages folded. Why the f**k can't people use bookmarks?
Load More Replies...Saaaaaame. Had a friend borrow a brand new book. Got it back with a torn cover, dog eared probably 20 pages, spine completely jacked up, and other forms of damage. She had it for 1 week, and I had to replace the book. I borrowed 2 books from her for a year when I moved out of state, and brought them back in the same condition.
I understand how that feels. But even though I don't like to mess up other people's books, and I do like to mess up my own, I never lend my books because I don't like someone else's messing up on them--and I want to get the books back.
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A series that revolves around a "Chosen One" who is often a whiny impetuous brat.
There have been a lot of those lately, a lot of them "young adult" series (or is the phrase 'new adult' now?). I love Urban Fantasy and can't just pick up a new book, I have to research the author and make sure it's not another paranormal romance. Can't I just have modern era supernatural beings interacting with humans?
This is why Good Omens is so good, the kid doesn't even know he's a chosen one of any sort!
"Hermione Granger and her dumbar$e friends" wasn't acceptable for the marketing team.
Load More Replies...TBF I don’t even like overly individualistic social justice rhetoric. If I was forced to be a f*****g Chosen One, I’d be PISSED.
Load More Replies...Star Wars (A New Hope) was the opposite of this, the un-chosen one whose virtue and willingness to learn from a master made him great. Luke morphed into the Chosen One by the time Return of the Jedi came out. And then the prequel and sequel series were about whiny, impetuous brats.
Who says I was talking about Harry. Its a trait A LOT of characters have
Load More Replies...The "Chosen One" IS a whiny impetuous brat. Freakin' Harry Potter we're talking about.
Harry didn't really whine a lot though. The one time he really got mad was in the beginning of order of the Phoenix when he thought he was being kept out of the loop. And he was correct.
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Incorrectness. Just they are straight-up wrong somewhere in the book. I also can't stand authors that like to sound smart (or just are smart....) and they use way too many words.
For example:
The quick brown fox jumped over the log.
The expeditious mahogany Vulpes vulpes (the scientific name for fox, had to look it up) ascended into the amalgamation of nitrogen, oxygen, carbon dioxide, water, etc. Thereupon, the creature plunged to the earth on the far periphery of the length of the limb of a deceased large plant enclosed in the bark.
I'm all for describing things and using details, but there is indeed such a thing as 'too many words'.
Thx lol took a lot of Thesaurus.com
Load More Replies...Or the wrong words?! It´s "... over the lazy dog", so all the letters are included.
Yes one sentence with all letters included. I don’t understand where the log comes from. This is a well known sentence.
Load More Replies...I always thought he jumped over a dog. Can't BELIEVE I had it wrong all these years *faceplant* okay I remember - it's 'lazy dog' whew
Also: when authors try to convince their readers that their fantasy world is the real world. Nothing you think you learned in a Dan Brown novel is true. People are like, "Yeah, I know it's a fiction, but it was so fascinating learning about..." NO! The background facts in the Da Vinci Code are every bit as invented as the background facts in the Lord of the Rings.
The word you're looking for is "pleonasm". (I had to Google it myself, as it wasn't in the dictionary I memorized in the second grade)
This goes back to Highschool. Having a book you loved as subject matter in English, and after the teacher and class have analysed it thoroughly, you can't even look at anymore.
I hate it when I think I'm being a good little reader by reading the introduction to a novel before reading the novel and then they tell me the ending of the story in the introduction. I don't care if the book was first published a hundred years ago!!!
Its so hard not to read them, but every damn time its like this. In general, you have to have read the book to share the intro authors appreciation, or they talk about the cultural impact the book had which can over hype it and lead to disappointment. They seriously need to be at the end.
Load More Replies...The best way to get someone to hate a book is to teach it. And yes, I'm an English teacher.
Ha, I wonder if you’re allowed to teach bad book, so its at least justified.
Load More Replies...Raise your hand if you got in trouble for reading ahead because you actually enjoyed the book and then weren’t allowed to participate in class discussions 🙋♀️
I never like the books I read in English class, but I think I would have if I hadn't read them in class. It ruins them for me
the only book I've ever liked for a class was The Secret Life of Bees. I hated Lord of the Flies lol. I didn't even finish the book ngl
Load More Replies...The very idea of them makes me cringe. I dont CARE what other people think of anything I read and I certainly don't want to ruin my experience of any book by discussing it. University English lit made me a book hoarder and hermit.
Load More Replies...Ugh, I can relate to this one especially. The House on Mango Street is an amazing book, but I can barely stand it after being forced to overanalyze it no less than four times in different grades. No doubt I’ll have to read it again next year because English teachers don’t understand how popular it is for essay topics.
My Afrikaans (2nd language) book in my last year of high school. Read it in the first couple of days, loved it and bought the English version as well. "Circles in the Forest" is still on my book shelf, 32 years later and the highlighted bits are starting to fade. I never read it again, I practically knew it out of my head!
Wow I can really relate to this one. I LOVED reading books for English class but hated having to over analyze and hear everyone else’s opinions on the subject matter, really kind of ruined it. I understand the book is for school but I just wanted to enjoy my own personal little story lol
Even worse if your teacher analyze it wrongly. Like, it's obvious that teacher never read this book.
In books when the "villain's" problems could have been solved by rational thinking, and the main characters are the actual jerks.
If it's intentional it's not really a literary issue. The "hero" doesn't actually have to be good, and the "villain" doesn't have to be bad. You could definitely have an asshole being his asshole self as a protagonist and an innocent victim as an antagonist .
This is the thing that annoys me the most about the Potter series. Forget for now the trans issue. And forget the faux gayness of Dumbledore which was tacked in to try prove JKR is not heteronormative. What bothers me with the story itself is HOW MANY DAMN TIMES the whole situation could be avoided if (a) Harry told Dumbledore what was going down ASAP, and (b) Dumbledore actually just believed him or (c) Harry just said "oh for f***s sake just give me veritaserum and ask again if you dont believe me you dithering old twat." (d) If they'd had cellphones and a simple 9mm gun. Muggle tech is way better than magic. (e) Send the baddies for psychotherapy. Especially Umbridge. What a cow.
Read a series years ago, covenant of someone(??) The 'hero' was the poster child for assholes.
Thaaat would be the Chronicles of Thomas Covenant by Stephen R. Donaldson. Asshole leper becomes the saviour of the world.
Load More Replies...When you really think about the fact, the Joker was just some down & out poor comedian that was driven insane by society in Gotham. A society where a rich man named Wayne violently works to enforce the status quo. NOW who's the real villain?
People reading my comments will think I don't read books, but so many of these problems apply so well to Star Wars and other childhood favorite movies that were ruined. You can't imagine the outrage of waiting decades for the next Star Wars movie, wading through two prequels movies and discovering that what made Darth Vader what we was was a bad dream and the Jedi were a bunch of obnoxious, elitists jerks running some sort of Deep-State conspiracy while feigning democracy and freedom.
A*****e as main character can be well written, but more often they're not. It gets annoying when they're an a*****e for sake of being an a*****e.
Crime novels where the reader can see a path the detectives should pursue, but the detectives not seeing it.
What i hate is when the heroes are complete a******s and the only reason to root for them is the villain is just a tiny bit worse. Just black and black universes where everyone is terrible. I like to have at least one character I can actually root for.
This drives me crazy. Books like that get a lot of scribbling in the margin from me.
Female "characters" with zero personality that are simply a love interest or damsel in distress.
YES! that's rubbish. Female leads should be equally flawed (inside and out) so that their inner character can work its way into the plot, even female authors c**k this up as they are often projecting their own fantasies of themselves as the perfect woman...
Load More Replies.....and no matter how angry, dysfunctional, flawed, overweight, aloof, absent or emotionally unavailable to Male Hero is, she loves him with a wise, sage love and is always there for him, to say her 2 sentences with a flippant but gentle humor, soothing all his ills and cloddish BS before falling into bed with him. Yawn....
This works both ways - Females and Males. Fifty Shades of Stupidity comes to mind. Horrid, horrid series.
I recently finished a book where there were only 2 female characters. The first was described as having the face of a child and the body of a woman. The first words out of her mouth were declaring herself the property of the protagonist - literally saying she was made for him. The other character was a powerful woman in control of her own life and naturally evil. The protagonist quickly killed her. Looking at you Terry Brooks!
I've heard this type of character be called a "sexy lamp". Because she contributes about as much to the story as a lamp with boobs.
Real talk, what kind of character falls in love with a cardboard cut out of a person? Now you’ve written two lame characters, not just the love interest.
I'm so tired of the female that needs to be rescued. T happens again, and again, and...!
When an author is great at building suspense and creating a creepy atmosphere, and then, the silly and disappointing climax comes. (Looking at you, Stephen King!)
Literally. He can write a good general story but cannot finish a book to save his life.
The Shining and Pet Sematary have great endings but most of his books start losing quality near the end.
Load More Replies...He's so much better at short stories than novels if you ask me...which you didn't, but I told you anyway!
I agree completely! His short stories are amongst some of my favorite reads ever but a big *wah wah* on his novels
Load More Replies...I've read all of King and I respectfully disagree. No one makes characters like Roland Deschain. You have forgotten the face of your father.
You missed some good ones then. Misery, Tommyknockers, the green mile, etc. I have a feeling you guys haven't read a lot of his stuff.
Green mile is amazing all the way through. Not read Misery or Tommyknockers. But something like The Shining is an amazing book but the end is s**t.
Load More Replies...Sigh... he's still one of my favourite authors... I don't mind the endings too much... I try to think of it... like... if the memorable, enjoyable part of the book is MOST of the book - I prefer that than a 'meh' 3/4 of a book with a great ending... I guess I feel I'm getting 'more book' that way.
The problem is inherent once the secret or dramatic twist has been revealed the rest is anticlimactic .
I still don't get the clown in the sewer biting tongues w/a Spider thing🤯 But Salems Lot had the best end/begining/end of ALL his novels IMO.✌
I love Stephen King but the bigger the story he's trying to tell the worse the ending. If the story is only about a few people with a small scope, he can write a decent ending.
The Stand. The ending was still good but, I thought the whole story was great without having to throw a demon in there.
When you fall in love with a series, and it has some form of impact on your life - but the author turns out to be a douchebag. Separating art from the artist can be difficult.
The wife and i both told her off on twitter. The 2 and only posts we ever made on the platform. We feel that we can enjoy the series as it was made.
Load More Replies...Actually, this shouldn't be an issue. Inability to accept people's faults is rather foolish. As a society we seem to believe that famous people shouldn't have faults. Peoples opinions change with time and so do point of view. Parsing people's speech to ascertain "politically correctness" is wasted effort. Remember, Dr Suess is considered racist because of depictions of Asian stereotypes. But his political cartoons showed he was for equal rights for African Americans, attempted to alert the public to the rise of Nazis and Jews being persecuted. The truth is probably stated best in Firefly. " -that every man ever got a statue made of him... was one kind of son of a bitch or another." S1e7
Dear Mr,. McDorman. I think you point is well spoken with a lot of validity but I am not sure I would agree (I could be wrong). The first example that comes to mind is the fact that Bill Cosby is considering touring again. I am sure he will be funny, but I couldn't bring myself to attend. Could you?
Load More Replies...difficult for some folks I guess. I've never had a problem doing it.
Sigh... yeah... I ... ugh... it... happens a whole lot unfortunately... I'm actually kind of SCARED to hear about 'news' about my favourite authors... because it's like "Oh man... what if you're like... a massive racist?? damnit..."
Why does the fate of the whole world usually lie on a hormonal 16-year-old who can duel, hack and invent at level par to a 30-year-old sucked-of-life adult? Oh, and they usually are portrayed as social outcasts who will eventually marry their crush happily ever after.
I mean, that happens a lot in YA because those books are written for teenagers
Yup. If us adults don’t want to read about teens, we should maybe not be reading teen books.
Load More Replies...i can last with everything else but the marry their crush part??? also what if instead of them being the hero they where the villian??? like they are learning how and fail but in the end becomes the best villian? i would love to read something like that
I think I would rather be burned at the stake than have to read the "Twilight" series again. And as for the movies? Kristen Stewart couldn't act her way out of a paper bag. (But then again I'm not 12 and LITTLE more discerning).
When a story starts off as a mystery, but suddenly gets a big portion of romance right in the middle of the investigation. With many pages spent wondering if the feelings are mutual. Ugh... I want to know who the killer is and how they did it, not if the main character gets a mate.
We (my family) have the same problem with movies. We'll search and search for a long time, finally find something that seems to be interesting, start watching it, then it'll slowly turn into a cheesy romance to the point where it isn't worth watching any more.
If you’re looking for mystery, one of my favorites of all time is Knives out, it’s sooo good.
Load More Replies...As an adult who's had a number of serial disasters aka relationships I have a policy of just skimming over relationship parts in novels and movies... as soon as I see something about eye contact I am like , urgh, yawn, skip.
That's what synopsis are for: The detective John/Jane Doe has to investigate (gorey crime) [things look promising] that resambles (past gorey crime) [go on, like it]. To do so, they'll have to partner with (obvious "unsuspected" romantic interest) [NEXT, PLEASE!!]
That's why I dislike detective thrillers - the guy always falls in love with a case related woman, so tiresome
I HATE THIS! I want to read a thriller but it turns into a romance. Vomit.
Generic villains. Let's make them dark, menacing, sinister, pointed, and ugly, and they must always be dressed in black and alternating between a sneer and a maniacal cackle. The kind where you can just take one glance at them and know with all certainty that "that's the bad guy."
The actual biggest threats in life are undetectable - take notes!
Well according to hollywood, you can tell who the villain is by whether or not they are using an apple product. If they are using one, they're not the villain.
Unless they eat an apple then they are always cocky a******s.
Load More Replies...This.... it really messes kids up. I had to teach stranger danger/intruder drills for years. Bad people don't always look scary. They can look perfectly normal and be wicked to the core. Don't assume that if a person is attractive they are going to be trustworthy or a person who is unkept is not. One of the few books I found for kids that teaches this is The Snow Queen. Even though she was beautiful she had a heart of ice and stole other people's children. We talked about the differences between story books, movies, tv shows, and reality. We also talked a bit about mental illness and what causes people to behave in criminal ways. Very heavy lessons for children but necessary all the same.
That's one reason I love the Berserk anime and manga. The bad guy looks like a Disney prince, while the good guy looks like he'd rip your leg off and beat you to death with it.
Nah. Give me classic villains all the way. You can keep your perky blond girl who rides around on a pogo stick until the end when its revealed she's somehow behind it all.
read a good girls guide to murder trilogy. verrrry convoluted and the romance is barely a side plot, i won't spoil it here.
Right? Sweetest little old man in our neighborhood, ie: I'm going to the store. Do you need anything? That looks like a lot of weeding to tackle. Mind if I help?, etc.". Everyone called him Grandpa Sandy. Probably in his mid 70's. Arrested for killing a 7 y/o boy while sodomizing the poor kid.
When writing a series, authors often do a bit of recap to tie in the new book to the previous book. I become annoyed when the author does this by having one character monologue the back story to a second character who already knows said back story.
I also dislike discontinuity. If a character has black hair and brown eyes, she shouldn't suddenly become auburn with green eyes in the next chapter.
Authors should at least have a spreadsheet of their characters and their features, personalities, and basic back story. I do, and I haven't even finished my first book!
That first one. Second book beginning be like: blah blah blah, my older brother, Kyle, told me this when I was 6 yea WE KNOW!! DO YOU THINK WE DIDN"T READ THE FIRST ONE?? WHY EVEN PICK UP THE SCOND ONE THEN?!?! God.
OMG - I HATE that. What's even worse is when the book becomes a movie. "One for the Money" by Janet Evanovich, absolutely SUCKED. Stephanie Plum is supposed to have bright blue eyes and dark hair, played by brown eyed/blondish Katherine Heigl. Joe Morelli, the Italian stud cop is supposed to have curly almost black hair and "melting chocolate brown eyes", played by Jason O'Mara, who, although somewhat dark haired, has very blue eyes.
Books for teenagers and young adults that romanticize violent behavior.
This wouldn't be so bad if it was occasional, but I feel it's very common in books targeting those age groups. Sometimes, perhaps even often, that character is eventually ousted by a "better" character and the reader is supposed to see how terrible the abusive character's behaviour was. Unfortunately, it mostly serves to normalise that behaviour.
I came across a book in a family member of my wife's which was part of a of a 20 volume series on projectile vomiting. Why romanticise that?
Every single kids' and teens' movies from when I was growing up (the 70s and 80s) featured bullies who committed some serious prison-time violence, often attempted murder. In some cases (the Karate Kid), the extreme violence was the point, but in most cases (Goonies), the bullies weren't even the main bad guys
Yawn. Are we still flogging this dead horse? Books, movies, and video games are not real and the literally hundreds of academic studies over the last half-century show no link whatsoever between fantasy violence and real-world violence except in the minds of a tiny minority who already have pre-existing issues.
I've noticed this trend too - also lots of visual novel games... that are weirdly making violent behaviour.. well... c**p behaviour in general as "good"... just played a game where one character is clearly written as a textbook psychopath (non-violent)... their inner thoughts are all about how they kinda like one friend (reminded me of someone talking about their favourite toy or vase or something) and how, well, the other friend (who had died recently) was just so 'always there' so they were perfectly happy with the other friend dead, as this worked out better and happier for themselves. And... we (the player/audience) is supposed to be on board with this? Like.. uhh... nooo....
Reading the first book of a series, then waiting for ages for the second one because the author has decided to start a completely different one... I want to know how the story will end!
As an author working on a series, I do feel bad about taking a long time to write the next book. My problem is that I don't make enough money writing to do it full-time, so when I'm done with work, a lot of times I don't have the creative energy. Not to mention there's other real life stuff that gets in the way.
Jean Auel. I waited YEARS for the last book about Ayla and it was an archaeological treatise. If I die - and I may very well, I'm old - before whatshisname finishes the Game of Thrones I'm going to poltergeist him mercilessly. Along with all the other people on my sh$t list. 👻
This is my mom waiting for one of the dozens of spin-off books planned for the Dark Hunter saga, she's been waiting for almost three years known to me and Sherrylin has been doing literally anything else but writing those books
David Gerrold, the writer of, "The Trouble With Tribbles" wrote a ecologic invasion series called, "War Against the Chtorr"...I have been waiting for close to three decades for the fifth book...I have, sort of, accepted that he is never going to finish the series.
A trilogy that has been more than 20 after book 2 and still no book 3 (looking at you 'Kingkiller Trilogy)
Get to know some various writers...learn. They don't always do that on purpose. Use your on imagine write your own ending. Its wht many fan fiction writing is all about.
It gets to me when I'm reading a novel with a character smokes three packs of cigarettes a day and never coughs once in the whole book.
And then there are the scenes in which three or four people have a serious discussion which lasts for four or five pages, and everybody's coffee stays hot until the last line.
Stories generally don't include non plot relevant things. John Wick wouldn't be as entertaining if spent time with him having a poop. Also, 4 or 5 pages is like, 2 minutes of conversation. Your coffee will still be hot.
Seriously... there are authors who specify the coffee was still hot after long dialogs? Or that a character doesn't cough?
I don't give a flying frak about coffee or cigarettes. Gimme the damn story and get out of here.
Currently reading about a woman who wakes at 6, skips breakfast, and has 4 cups of coffee before 8. Who does that?
....and not once in those 4 or 5 hours of drinking gallons of piping hot coffee did anyone get up to go to the bathroom!!
I get most of my books from an online website, Quotev. You can write and publish books there. I sure have my fair share of books on there. I hate it when I find a book I'm interested in, but the grammar is terrible! Run-on sentences, the paragraphs aren't separated, incorrect spelling, and no punctuation! It's physically painful to read.
This is what happens when you don't have a good editor go through things the way you would at a traditional publishing house.
I agree with commenter Samantha Lomb, that this is on the editor. Writers should just effing write, wrong spellings and incorrect grammar included. Let it flow, just as our minds work. To ask a writer to painstakingly remember such rules will inhibit their freedom. The mood, character development and story arch is all they should write....let the editors clean it up (with approval from the writer)
But a lot of self published editors don't want to pay for editing services so this is the result. A good editor isn't cheap, but a traditional publishing house carries the cost. For self published people, it's on them.
Load More Replies...Yes, so many of them look like they were written by 3rd graders. Literally.
There is a certain gift to story-writing that most writers don't quite have a handle on. The ideas are full of potential, but the language gets muddied in a sea of bad messaging created by a mired confluence of amalgamated ideas in a sea of language that never quite reaches the reader's mind. See what i did there :)
OOOOHHHHH I have Quotev!! I mostly write fanfics there, and I like to look back and read my work from time to time, and when I catch a mistake, I'll immediately go edit and fix it. Just letting you know I'm on your side
Ugh. Quotev is literally the worst-grammared website for stories EVER.
I don't like when any novel starts to be focused on romance more than the actual story. Romance is an okay aspect, but that doesn't mean it should take over the plot of book that isn't under the category of romance.
I want to read two characters going through a life changing adventure as platonic friends. I want to read the hero/heroine saving their niece or nephew, their cousin, not their love interest.
Load More Replies...I can't stand when a good story is interrupted by unnecessary, long and involved sex - it does nothing to move the story along, it is overly described, and annoying.
I hate romance. As a genre, as a story element, it doesn't belong in the middle of an action scene,
I'm here for all the smutty romances, lol. There's something so satisfying about escaping into a book and reading how someone finds their happily-ever-after. Just let me live in a fictional world where everything ends perfectly and women org*sm during smexy times, please! LOL
*cough cough* lies like poison*cough cough* this lie will kill you *cough cough* teen killers club*cough cough* i think i have a cold
When a famous writer has a book published only because they are a famous writer, not because the book is good or worth reading. Far too many examples to mention.
Wilbur Smith is guilty of this in every book starting with Monsoon. His earlier work was wild and then it fell into disarray.
Load More Replies...Oh, I was subjected to one of those recently. Famous sf writer now a very senior citizen. The concept of the book was good but the writing was bloody awful. Gave up in disappointment. It's sad when one of your writing heros has developed feet of clay.
In a multi-book series, taking up most of a chapter catching readers up on the last 20 or so books. You can't get to the new story for having to reread the old one. Again.
That's the main reason the Harry Potter books got thicker and thicker!
I get irked at reading references to previous books in a series which I have not read. Makes me have to go back to vol. 1 and read the whole series. But then, that's the point, right?
When stories just stop. There’s no proper ending to the book, it’s like the author just got bored and gave up. The amount of times I’ve read a book that I’ve been really enjoying and at the end, the writer has just thrown anything together to end it. It’s incredibly unfulfilling and frustrating.
One of my beloved writers is Samuel Clemens. His book "The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn". It was written as a perennial. He set it aside for some time and was forced by publishers to finish it. So he did, and I am sure it was not at his literary mindful leisure. But he did finish it, and the ending does seem forced, but it does not negate the pure joy it ensues. Sometimes it is not the authors fault, I just enjoy the entirety if it merits enjoyment.
Aah, I see. You love him so much you choose not to use the name he published his works under, presumably to prove that you know things about him.
Load More Replies..."The Mystery of Edwin Drood" by Charles Dickens is a real heart-breaker. It's his greatest book (IMHO) but he flagrantly and inexcusably died while the book was only half written. Edwin Drood shall forever remain a mystery...
Not a book but a manga, THIS IS WHAT WAKUI KEN DID WITH TOKYO REVENGERS AND I'M STILL MAD TILL THIS DAY
Faulkner's Sound and the Fury I know it is a classic so I'm told I'm not sure what happened. and we got several perspectives on it . All I remember is "Cassie smelled of trees."
The Witcher, unfortunately. I love the books, but the story's ending was just not it. Incredibly underwhelming. I'm glad CDPR picked up on it.
When the author changes something that was kind of major. For example, say the main character was in a fight, and it mentions that he/she gets a bad cut in the side, yet three paragraphs later, the author goes on describing a nasty cut on his leg - never even mentioning his/her side cut.
I work at a library, and if a book's author's name is larger than or above the title on the spine, know that I personally want to hunt down and punch whoever at the publishing house made that decision
Means it's time to stop reading the series. It's on autopilot and sells the author, not the book.
Just checked my bookshelf and the main culprits are Patricia Cornwell, Enid Blyton, Fyodor Dostoevsky, Grant Blackwood and Anne Frank (though that one's understandable).
When the author uses the character's name a lot instead of using pronouns. I just read a book that used the name at least 7 times in a 5 line paragraph instead of using pronouns.
I read a book where the author mentioned two male names in the start of the chapter and from that moment on, the names were no longer used. I had lost track of which guy did what after half a page. It was almost as if the editor had objected to slight too many names and the author was like, "Then I will get rid of ALL THE NAMES! Happy now?"
I agree. There's definitely a happy medium. I would rather err on the side of the name being used to often rather than (and I have!) go back to where the name was last used and laboriously go through line by line going "x said, y said, x said, y said , x said, ah then that means y said that!"
Load More Replies...I read a biography (out load to my mom) like that and the main character had a hard-to-pronounce name. I finally swapped it out for the pronoun. It didn't detract from the story at all.
I read a serie of three books (writen as 1st person protagonist) where you don't know the main character's name until the very end. Every time he tries to introduce himself in a dialog, something happens that make it imposible and in the next line the character says "I told them my name". I was the whole trilogy like "I love you, you awesome bas*ard... now give me your damn name!!"
I found that in one of the lasts book I read. Her name was Laura, and instead of just saying she - they used the name in just about every freaking sentence. Unless you've introduced a new character, we know who you're f*cking talking about. It's annoying as hell. Get a clue.
An author who give their characters long 3 word names with multiple syllables
Similar: I hate it when you can tell that an author recently started using more of certain words or phrasing in their daily life and they end up in the book two hundred times. Stephen King is notorious for this - I forget which book, but I counted the use of the word "gobble" and its iterations twenty times (I.e "he gobbled an ibuprofen." WTF?). And he never used it before or since. Why, Steve?!
A well written book will often have spurts of no pronouns. If the voices are well established and it is just a couple of people talking they can just say, "Where are you going?" "To the store. Want to come with?" Instead of adding in a bunch of He said, She responded, He replied etc. I notice this because I wish I was better at it. There is probably a name for this but I like a book that doesn't start every sentence with John said, Sally said and so on.
I thin k this posters head would explode reading the Last of the Mahicans. Because most of the main characters are referred to by different names at different times.
When the "hero" refuses to kill the villain or wait too long and they escape. Like, really!?
Batman, Dare Devil, etc. The Punisher has a great response to Matt Murdock about this, "You're not a vigilante, you're a torturer. You beat them up, you send them to hospital, they get out, and kill again. I put them down. What I do is honest."
Also when the villain explains their whole plan to the hero. Like what do they expect? The hero will die from shock after hearing their meticulous plan??
just kill them!!!! a lot of them time they don't change, they get stronger and almost defeat you
If Batman or superman just offed those guys it would save us a lot of boring movies
I'm reading something like that right now but happily the good guy smartened up and is now offing the baddies. Much better story after he got smart.
A classic trope of every bond movie ever. I laughed at the scene in Goldfinger where --- “Do you expect me to talk?” No, Mr. Bond. I expect you to die.” I mean, he still did the classic - turn on the laser and walk away and Bond escapes trope but at least he was a villain saying he just wanted bond to die.
I hate it when I read a story and the author writes: "this is relevant later." Yeah, no way, duh! If it's irrelevant to the story, it should be edited out.
I think what the author conveys when they include that is: 'I am the only smart person, and everyone else is an idiot that I have to tediously explain everything to'.
Or maybe the author realizes how bored we are with the story and just knows we are going to most likely forget...
I hate it when they point at an outcome not expected like "they were never this happy again"
An explaination, not an excuse... Many people really aren't paying attention when they should, yet, when the distracted person gets hit by surprise later, distracted party accuses the other party of not telling them everything in a timely fashion. Over-explaining is really tedious to put up with, but taking hits after you did your due diligence because they didn't do theirs is infuriating.
Authors should never have to do this - as people reading the book/novella/short story is already paying attention. The very act of choosing to read the piece already implies this. Now... when you're writing a comment/response however... there seem to be quiiite a few people who love to skip over 'relevant' information so they can attack/belittle the commenter... I can see a rookie author thinking about this when they're writing an actual written piece (as opposed to casual commentary).
Why are some of these comments from a year ago? Did BP compile a list of old stuff?
If loading chekhov's gun is not enough and it need to be presented in a spot light... the story is probablynot very memorable in the first place
When characters all have similar names and descriptions, I keep getting confused. Or when they have a male hero whose personality is about being buff, female characters who are just there to look pretty.
I always have thought this about "Sauron" vs "Saruman" in LOTR. So confusing the first time I read it.
I keep thinking they are latin declensions. Saura, Sauron, Sauras, Sauratis, Sarumatis, Saruman.
Load More Replies...Okay but have you read The Wheel of Time? Most of the female characters' names start with the same letter. It's already the longest and most confusing fantasy series ever. Why would he do that?! Let's not mention how much I know about their wardrobes and what material their dresses are and why on earth they are wearing wool stockings in 40 degree heat. Endless clothing descriptions.
Or when too many are introduced in the first 2 chapters (Game of Thrones). I kept having to go back to figure out who they were talking about.
read chinese novel then, li chenxi, li chenxiang, li chenxu, li chenfeng, li chenfei.
Not giving a reader all the clues needed to solve a mystery. Don't cheat, you can write a good mystery or you can't.
I had to stop reading P. D. James because of this, holding back information from the reader, in a Mystery Novel. Specifically, "The Lighthouse", when they find the criminal, who they had never suspected, threatening a hostage, at the top of the lighthouse, screaming psychotic, misogynistic profanities out across the ocean. There had not been a single hint that this character was so overwhelming mentally ill anywhere in the book. I was done with the writer, at this point.
YES. I said this in my last review. There is no way no one would find who did it. I've read them all in HS and I don't know how I didn't get that then. I started reading them again and stopped before I reached my 8th book I think.
Load More Replies...This reminds me (and I'm totally dating myself here) of author Victoria Holt. She wrote "historical romances" that always had a somewhat Gothic theme. It was always a "letter" found/left behind. Such a bullsh*t way to end a story, IMHO. Just tell the f*cking story and tell us who killed the Count.
When the author loses track of where what is. This is usually hands, arms, feet, background items, anything really, etc. It happens a lot, more than it should, and I know things get edited, but you need to keep track of continuity. I've read a book where they lost a whole dang character between two paragraphs.
They were sitting on the far left couch laughing silently at so-and-so, then two paragraphs later, they're climbing in the window with people welcoming them like they just got there and no mention of the person on the couch because it was the same person.
It is also a big issue in steamy books I've found. You lose track of what is where, and some things just aren't possible. I've checked the Kama Sutra - it agreed with me.
Yep lol, steamy books especially. One minute person #1 is on the back of person #2, and the next, person #2 has their neck twisted like an owl's to kiss person #1, or person #1's lips are stretching half a foot to reach person #2's.
Good erotica skips impossible anatomies and focuses on what's possible. Yum.
Load More Replies...Most romance novels a ghost written. Anyone can write them but you have to follow some guidelines.
One book I read - NYT bestseller - had a whole chapter repeated but reworded. WTF.
You don't come across that too often thankfully. Sometimes its on purpose but usually it's an accident they claim was done on purpose. Usually when I'm writing if I go back and read what I've written and think I can do it better I open an entire new word doc. I don't ever re-word a section in the same doc because what you described can happen so easily. Then open a third new doc, CTRL+X the old section, CTRL+V the old into the blank doc, then repeat with the new section into the original work. I do this a lot more than I care to admit but that's growth in writing. After that i save the old piece in file to look at later to verify I don't need anything from it. I rarely just straight up delete stuff - you never know when it might become useful in something else, spark a new idea, or even have a plot point you may have forgotten about.
Load More Replies...Like when he's sitting a cushion away, but his left arm is along her shoulders and he starts to caress her with his LEFT arm? Just how long IS that arm?
Changing the look, style, size, colouring, text direction, font size part way through a series.
One of the first books I read was from a series called 'ranger's apprentice'. I hated when the cover art in book 4 featured the characters. The first 3 books had nothing but the title on the cover. So when I saw the designs in book 4, they looked nothing like what I invisioned them in my brain. I hated that!
Oh my gosh, yes, I have ranger's apprentice books from two different sets and it drives me crazy. They are AWESOME books though
Load More Replies...In Wonder, there's an entire section where there are no capital letters. I skip it every time. No idea what happens in it but I cannot stand it at all
The Michael Connelly books that halfway through doubled in height and width so they can't fit in two rows on my bookshelf!
I don't mind BOLD, or italicized, but that absolutely stupid half Upper/half Lower case font with no rhyme or reason - you look like a kindergartener who forgot which letters are which. It does not in the least bit make you look cool. You look like you're f*cking illiterate.
Amie Kaufman's Illuminea Files series will drive you nuts. Font changes hit about everything on this list. The picture shows just a taste. Google to see more, Great series just listen to the audio books. illuminea-...aaecc0.jpg
Unnecessary details. Imagery and figurative language adds depth to the whole novel, but when it’s goes on and on and doesn’t end up contributing to the plot, that’s when I start getting bored of the book.
I've ended a few series over that. And given up on a few books and authors who do that, seemingly because they're trying to turn a 120 page book into 200
Yeah...total G.R.R. Martin problem. His publisher didn't assign him a good editor AT ALL😐
I love Rosalind Pilcher, but she can describe a meadow in spring for f*cking days. I have to skip PAGES of her books for this very reason. (Yes, I know the trees are green and filled with buds - I do not need to know EVERY color of green, nor do I need to know EVERY bud in bloom).
Long-winded description. I stopped reading Anne Rice for that. Stephen King also goes off on tangents, but I find his psychological thrillers intriguing.
I give you The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant by Stephen R. Donaldson. I managed to slog through five or six of the 10 books. So descriptive you were pretty sure he got paid by the word. Each book seemed like a 200 page story crammed into a 450 page book. By which I mean you could edit out a ton of extra detail and not really change the story. Wherever you are right now, look around your room or wherever. Now look at every single thing in the room and the room itself and write it ALL down. instead of just - you know - briefly describing the room that has little or nothing to do with the plot anyway. Now move to another room and do it again. haha!
Why is that in so many books written by women the male leads all have to have long hair? Urban fantasy particularly.
Using glasses as props. I hate it in books, movies, and real life because people have enough problems without a necessity being treated like a piece of decoration.
The glasses thing that really annoys me is how a character who wears them will at some point lose them for some reason. Yet said character just continues to function as normal. Like, they wear glasses for a reason and that reason is they NEED them. I wear glasses/ contacts and without them I certainly couldn't take part in some frenetic fight or drive a car in a high speed chase. Just because the sh*t has hit the fan doesn't then mean your eyes suddenly go "don't worry, here's some 20/20 vision to see you through to the end I've been holding back on".
On this point, Scooby-Doo's Velma Dinkley is a very good example of how most are when they lose their glasses (and although I'm really glad that they showed that side of the reality, having her lose her glasses nearly every episode, at an extremely crucial point, is a bit much)
I don't like when the nerdy guy or girl takes off his /her glasses and then everyone thinks their good looking
"The Shortest Horror Story Ever Written" -- The last person on earth dropped and broke their glasses
I don’t like when authors of fantasy novels feel the need to describe the qualities of a certain race every time that character appears. Like, you don’t have to mention that the elf is “fleet of foot” every time they do something.
I was forced to read Ann Rice's "Interview with the Vampire" because my niece had to do a book report on it and was so sick with the measles she couldn't eat, let alone do her school work so I'm the nice Aunt. :) I was ready to claw my face off at the number of times Rice used the word "Preternatural" to describe anything the Vampire did. Like, 4.298 times. At least. It got cloying and boring. You get it - he's a vampire. It was as if she'd just read that word on the "Learn-A-Word-A-Day" calendar and was determined to use it in a sentence.
He preternaturally ate breakfast after waking up from a preternatural sleep.
Load More Replies...My gripe with all fantasy novels is that the genre originated in the dark ages (as in pre-medieval), e.g. with Beowulf etc. However, it died out as a literary form with Christianity and then only reappears in the romantic period/revivalist period and late 1800s post the Frankenstein novel. After that we get Dracula. Now, if you read Stoker's other work, his racism is clear - particularly Lair of the White Worm. However, some say his editor interpolated his own racism. Never mind. If you read stoker's work he often makes such remarks about savages etc etc. After that we get tolkien, born in south africa (race polarised) to a British family (imperialists). He schooled himself in the dark ages literature and came up with... races. Urgh. I mean I get it's fantasy but it's hard to not think it informs things like Watto the Toydarian. Oy veh.
I don't think it's just fantasy. Other categories have this too. The other day I read a book where the h/H were black and we were told so many times that they were I started asking myself when, in the story, would it be relevant. It never was. One of the last books I read last year, everyone was white and it came on repeat also.
Novels written in the present tense. So annoying. First thing I check for when browsing books in the library or bookshop.
I feel this one. I never understood why novels are usually in the past tense until I tried reading one in the present tense. Never again.
Nothing should be ruled out. I have had this idea for a long time about just his very thing. Writing in the present tense, but my intent was that the words were being transmitted telepathically. You may think you are reading from words on a page but in fact, you are not, what you are seeing is me communicating by other means. Cool!
I think I read somewhere that if the book is written in the past tense that the protagonist(s) is/are likely to survive. This is especially the case if the story is a first person narrative. As they are telling you, the reader, the story. However if it is written in the present tense then you are experiencing the story at the same time as the characters and anything can happen.
IMO, doesn't work. If it's written in first person, you know the viewpoint character lives regardless of verb tense. With only a tiny number of exceptions, an author just can't write "and then I died" and have the reader take the work seriously.
Load More Replies...I think this one's alright. Tense doesn't annoy me as much as lots of other things.
As an author-in-training, I often try to write my stories in present tense, and for some reason, it sounds absolutely wrong! I don't know why, but I solemnly swear not to do so. Ever. Like ever ever.
I hate that one too. Also not wild about first-person, though I can read those. First-person, present tense is an instant DNF for me.
What happened to actual chapters? Current fiction seems to have chapters of 2-3 pages. I grew up reading Dickens, Dumas and other classic writers. The chapters were dense and long but worth the read. I feel this is pandering to the "short attention span" of the current generations, maybe it makes people feel good about themselves that they read 5 chapters ???? I just feel like the current best-selling authors are phoning it in, some writers have series where the sex scenes between the hero/heroine are exactly the same from one book to the next (I'm talking about you, J D Robb) If you can't come up with something interesting and different, just skip it. That's what I do.
He was the first one I thought of as well. So many blank spaces. Tens of thousands of trees have up their lives because he wants people to think his novels are longer than they are and they're getting better value for their money.
Load More Replies...I agree about the short attention; however, there is something to consider. Dickens and the like had to write longer, dense "chapters" as they were first published in newspapers as serialized novels. People would have thrown fits if they were as short as they are now. As far as J. D. Robb, is concerned, I love her In Death series. And have reread them many times. A few years ago I made the mistake of reading all 45+ books back to back. I wouldn't say all the sex scenes were the same. I liked that they often had different moods and "styles", so to speak. But it seems that there were always 2.5 sex scenes per book. Two full scenes 6 to 10 pages long and a "quickie" that could be anywhere from a half page mention up to 2 - 3 pages. It got very noticeable. It wasn't part of the plot. It was just stuck in. A box to be checked off as she wrote the book. I'm doing yet another reread but it's going to take me a few years rather than several months. 40 down, 20 to go (w/novellas.)
Although, if I'm remembering correctly, in the last couple of books, she's knocked it off and has only one sex scene per book. Hmm, sex sells. I'm wondering if the publisher pushed her into putting in those sex scenes because I've read many of her other books under Nora Roberts and the sex is more smoothly done. And now that she's done 50+ books for them, she can tell them enough already especially as her fanbase doesn't like the "2.5." (I made up the term but it is accurate and seems apropos.)
Load More Replies...I personally like shorter chapters because if I don't have a lot of time, I can just read one chapter.
I always thought a "chapter" was the introduction/explanation of that particular's character in the story line. Is this no longer true?
"Current generations" be damned. People with short attention spans don't read novels. The younger generations have no monopoly on people who get distracted by shiny things.
You can say Nora Roberts, you know. Everyone knows it's a penname
My experience is different. I can't tell you how many times I've recommended the In Death series to someone unfamiliar with J. D. Robb. And not one of those people knew she was Nora Roberts. (But they knew who Nora Roberts was.)
Load More Replies...Loving a whole world series [Disc world] .... And the author dies in real life ¦(
Terry Pratchet was a great author. Discworld had great depth and great characters. I reread these books. Love, "Are you my cow?"
Similarly, when you've found a great author, been reading their stuff, and they just disappear. You don't know what happened to them. Probably about 10-12 I follow on Amazon that just stopped.
Same, but hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy. (**SPOILER WARNING**) Eoin (Ian) Colfer finished the last book because Douglas Adams died, I want to meet him purely to punch him in the face for the ending. (It's a good ending but Arthur does not deserve the sh*t he went through)
When an author doesn't do their research. For example, say a character is in labor, and the author clearly has no experience in the matter. I'm like, did no women have a hand in editing this? Did you not SPEAK to any women, or know any?? That's not how it happens!
It might be tedious, but when writing I have several tabs open, such as street view of where they are, menus of the restaurants they eat at, local events and information. That's just to "set the scene". I hate exposition, so everything has to be in the description.
I can deal with some misspellings, but, when the punctuation is a mess, such as commas where they don't belong, I will stop reading and return it, no matter how good the story. Too much explanation and not enough dialogue. Gets tedious. Explaining things in detail again and again and again. Killing off important characters for no reason. MR Forbes did this in book 17 of an 18 book series. I have yet to read #18, nor any of his works since.
Absolutely agree, with additions: Dialogue that doesn’t sound like anyone speaks. I quit reading a popular forensic scientist because (s)he won’t allow her characters to use abbreviations. And if you’re killing off one of the characters, somewhere down the line both the protagonist and the author need to deal with it. Closure is important, even if the loved-one is imaginary.
People in novels would sometimes finish a cigarette in the time it took to speak two sentences. More likely, it took one cigarette to write them. Also, nobody ever seems to need to use the bathroom, except maybe to hide out.
Or when there's an investigation or chasing/hunting down a bad guy. No one seems to sleep.
To be fair, as with television and movies. There are a lot of things that occur during a day that don't really drive the plot. Using the restroom is one of them. Characters in fiction don't eat unless something happens during the meal, or the meal is a setting for information to be given, etc. When you create a story, you've got to mind the pacing and plot.
Yep. I don't want to hear about any of that unless it's relevant to the story. In fact, everything in the book should be relevant to the story somehow, even if it just shows characterization.
Load More Replies...I don't feel a book needs to mention a character's bathroom habits to make it a good story. For example, I'd rather not ever see the line "Sherlock Holmes lay down his violin, suddenly breaking off his practice mid-song, as the pressure of an unusually large bowel movement began pressing upon his innards; He was glad Dr. Watson was currently out on an errand, knowing full well the stench he was soon wrought upon their shared lavatory"
I mention potty breaks in my books, especially when people are trapped because I think that's part of the nightmare.
When the author spoils something that will happen later on in the book (i.e. a death, relationship, betrayal, etc.), or even just heavy foreshadowing.
Lemony Snicket did that in ASOUE. Bothered me so much when I was younger.
...but isn't that already implied in the title of the book?
Load More Replies...But that’s kind of the whole point of the book. It’s not like it’s supposed to be hidden that they die. Did you even read the boom or didn’t you just see the cover
Load More Replies..."John Dies At The End" Enough said. Just ruined the whole book for me with the title. (Naturally I jest, I love the entire series! Molly the Dog is the best character!!!)
Stories that are tediously stretched over multiple volumes just so the author and publisher can have a "series".
It's tough going to the Sci Fi/Fantasy section and finding a book that doesn't say "Book Two of the Blahblah Trilogy" or "The first in an exciting new series...."
"Wheel of Time"; the number of people I have heard that have said, "1 through 3 are good, them if you can plough through 4 through 8, it starts to get good, again". Umm, no. I'm not going to "plough through" something that should be fun.
The wheel of Time always struck me this way. It seemed like it was a needlessly bloated with way too much in-depth description of terrain and so forth. The general story was interesting for the most part especially since I was younger when I read it but I found myself skimming a lot.
Kristine Kathryn Rusch did this with the Retrieval Artist Series. In the early books there are some clones, daughters of the main character that he doesn't know about until he finds one but there are others and he's searching for them (never to be found) and my husband and I gave up at book #14.
When the end of a book says "The End?" because they want you to continue reading the series. Nope.
Just like that writer Sue Taylor Grafton, she has the "alphabet series" ugh. "A is for Alibi" "B is for Burglar" This has been going on since the mid '80s. I think her latest was in 2017 "Y is for Yesterday" LOL
There's a similar children's series called A to Z mysteries and I enjoyed it when I was younger. It wasn't really a progressing story however. It was really just a new story each time. Of course, as a kid you aren't as receptive to certain details and you just like the books.
Load More Replies...Stereotypes and clichés. When you're able to finish the sentence before you read it. Even in a thriller, where the literary level is not as demanding as for a deeper novel, I'm not against a certain amount of surprise in the writing, some clever words arrangements. Or, the opposite : when a detective novel pretends to be the next Nobel prize and, in the middle of the action, trie to go deep in the human condition analysis.
Cliches are rubbish. if you are writing a book that has a character have a tag-line... invent something. Maybe it sticks, maybe it doesn't... Or as a writer.. veil it behind something
If a book is full of cliches, it should be thrown away..like an old glove.
I just really miss fun chapter titles or, you know, tables of contents in fiction at all
I miss reading Rick Riordan books, (Pjo etc) they always had funny chapter titles
I make up a quote before every chapter. I miss them, too. Most of my chapters have titles as well.
Specific one: In the Harry Potter series, the character 'Remus Lupin' is a werewolf. Now 'Remus' & 'Lupin' both refer to wolves so his name is 'Wolf Wolf'. But, he wasn't a werewolf at birth was he ? Did his parents know what was going to happen ??! Did they arrange for him to be bitten !!!?
Wolves have many outstanding qualities. Perhaps his parents wanted to give him a strong and powerful name, and later he became a werewolf. In some literary worlds, by the way, lycanthropy runs in families.
Argus filch too, Argus was a Greek myth, man with 100 eyes, he never sleeps with more than 50 closed. He watches over the Children and seemingly never sleeps.
This happens a lot, actually. Someone just HaPpEnEd to be named Vixen when they were born, years before they got some kind of magical fox powers! How convenient that their name just coincidentally fit the powers or special abilities they received!
And your avatar name thingy is "fox". Coincidence? I think not.
Load More Replies...This is Rowling assuming the reader is a moron, or a 13-year old child, which in reality was the typical audience. Rowling borrowed from JRRT so much it's hilarious, but yet we still watch the movies in a binge and read the books.
I don't agree that JKR assumed her readers were morons. She was just having fun with languages. It is exciting for kids to discover those puns. Reading becomes a treasure hunt. As for borrowing from other works, is not that the way any type of art germinates and evolves? Led Zeppelin borrowed a lot from other artists, yet they created something quite unique.
Load More Replies...*Guiltily looks at book I'm writing where I intentionally ame the characters after the animals they represent*
Fantasy books without a comprehensive map of the world. It really does help one orient themselves to this new world you are creating. It shows committment of thought in the execution of the plot. Fantasy/Science-Fiction books with no glossary or pronunciation section if your going to use bits of languages and/or names that are not frequently heard or created for the purpose of the story. If the story has an extensive cast of characters or family then either a tree or a short bio section on who's who (examples can be found in Agatha Christie's books such as Murder in the Calais Coach; The A.B.C. Murders; etc.) Reviews on jackets or inside covers. I want the author description to make me want to read the book some some critic. If I wanted their opinion I would read their column.
One of my pet peeves about fantasy books is when a character or a place has a name that is spelled so weirdly I have no idea how to even begin pronouncing it. Every time I come across it, it just jolts me right out of the story.
Or even worse if they use all Englisch words and names except for the select five that are spelled with a random k at the end
Load More Replies...When what could be the character's first kiss is interrupted. Like COME ON!!
That's what's fun about it. Build the suspense then smash it like a bug.
I understand that but I feel like it's SO overused
Load More Replies...When a book uses an unnecessary amount of detail that has barely anything to do with the actual plot, and the story doesn't start until you get to the middle of the book.
I read a lot of books by different authors, and these peeves are in most books I read. I'm so tired of the word 'padded' to describe walking somewhere: ex. "She padded into the bathroom." Secondly, authors using names that start with the same letter for most of their characters; this happens with both first and last names. I just read a book where both female and male characters had names that started with C; six characters were introduced in the first chapter. Thirdly, I don't understand why authors feel it necessary to spend two paragraphs describing what someone is wearing, and using brand names to impress us. I'm reading a fiction crime novel; I don't care about every little thing the character is wearing. Lastly, many different characters in a book using a specific idiom; I just read two books by an author where "sharpest knife in the dishwasher" was used many times by different, unrelated characters.
Peter James did this. Like, it's thriller. I don't need to know that main character had white coat and I don't need descriprion of said coat.
You're not the brightest candle in the church are you? ;-)
Load More Replies...'Grabbed' is one that annoys me. 'She Grabbed her cup of coffee' or whatever. Just pick it up.
Using the character's name over and over again instead of using pronouns. I swear I read a book that had the character's name at least 7 times in a 5 line paragraph instead of using a pronoun.
Maybe they're trying to avoid pronouns so that the gender is ambivalent? I dunno, just trying to be charitable here.
Sometimes, especially if there are multiple characters involved, it can be complex to know where the pronoun belongs.
When a book is described as ‘unputdownable’ In the blurb. Nothing more guaranteed to make me not buy a book than describing it as that. So irritating it’s not even a real word !!!
When a book changes between past and present or between character POVs and the only way to differentiate them is the font changes or is italicized
I do like books that change point of view each chapter, though. It gives a third person level of explanation without revealing things too quickly.
It's good in some books. I had to give up reading A Song of Ice And Fire because there were so many characters whose chapters I didn't care about.
Load More Replies...Books that pretend to be completely original but are highly derivative and refuse to acknowledge it. We are all inspired by our heroes and become a synergy of all we've read so I have no problem with someone taking an idea and running. However, don't pretend you invented the wheel and expect me to be surprised when the story's climax is IT ROTATES!. This is quite prevalent in young adult fiction that is pushed on adults as well (Twilight, Harry Potter, etc). The worst is when someone straight up jacks a character, put them through the same story arc, and just changes the name.
But sometimes we think of something without being aware that it was covered already. I've had the opposite problem. A literary critic once wrote that I was influenced by five authors, without knowing that I had never read any of them and I had never even heard of one of them.
also, just reading something accidentally makes you think of something, so you may not be trying to have it similar, it just happens.
Load More Replies...It has been said that there are only 7 basic plots. "Overcoming the monster"..."Rags to riches"..."The quest"..."Voyage and return"..."Comedy"..."Tragedy"..."Rebirth". Accepting that, that nothing is original...it relies on the writers skill to form characters and narrative in a unique perspective. It may be hard these modern days. A contemporary piece with a modern character almost always reminds me of a literary ancestor.
what are the other two plots though, I count you having listed five? Isn't there a "rescue the princess" plot?
Load More Replies...One of the best books I've read was called "The Oldest Living Confederate Widow Tells All." AuthorAllan Gurganus This was in 1989 and I've certainly read many since then that I find inspiring or I love, but this book was so different. Fresh plot, that flowery, constructed, polite language they used to speak back in the past. Humor, sadness, love, horror. I'd read sentences over because they were constructed so well or said so much. I wonder how authors we talked about in above comments can churn out the formulaic drivel when the great books I've read come from the soul and heart, not a template. But people still love and buy the templates.
One needs to be careful about calling things "derivative" and knowing the difference between that and genre. genre requires that things have a similar line of story-trail.. Is it derivative to sell copies to a target audience? House MD is immediately derivative of Robin Cook, yet stands on it's own. Shore copied the ideas of Cook and put them on screen.. is that derivative of Cook's writing?
This applies to all writing (so films and games as well as books) but I really don't like stories that have a sort of 'chosen one' theme where the whole situation relies on one person to solve it and only they have the ability. I don't find it motivating at all. I like to imagine what I would do in the situations I read/watch and if that person is naturally superior or was born with a gift that is made for this I can't get into it 'cause I'm not that person. I prefer it when all characters work together and bring their own strengths, where it could have been any group of people. I find those more motivating and fun to read.
That was what was one of the many great things about the novel, "World War Z". There were many heroes...and villains. It was the entire World, coming together to fight the menace. The movie? One white guy waves the World...
They're more relatable than just "Welllll, in a situation like this, if we were instead a bunch of ordinary people, winning would be impossible. Buuuuuuuut, I happen to have been chosen by the universe or sumn, so now everything's great :D"
A good antagonist who is wasted. When introduced this person (or organization) is a smart, capable, dangerous, opponent who needs to be taken very seriously and who may even win occasionally. But later they just become a punching bag who only shows up to get knocked down by the hero. Also MAPS, dammit, especially when writing fantasy or science fiction. Show me good detailed maps of where your adventures are taking place.
Me too!. Love to refer to where the characters are. I also like "newspaper articles' and 'police report' (author Minnett Walters style) I think it makes the story more interesting.
Load More Replies...Investing my time reading a novel, only to get to the end and the ending is just so cheesey that it made me throw the book across the room. Yes I did!
The "strong woman" who is written by someone who has a rather skewed idea of both 'strength' and 'women'. Example: Lois Lane is supposed to be a "strong woman" - in reality, she is someone I would love to shove into a swamp. Being *unreasonably rude*, placing your own wants (not even needs) above others and shoving self-aggrandizing quips into every comment is not 'strong'. It's like there's this anathema to having a solid female character having the same heroic qualities as a male character. The 'strong woman' is constantly doing stupid, rude, and arrogant things for **no reason** (is it part of a plan? Nope. Is it part of her cover? Nope. Is there even a backstory that covers why this behaviour is the only choice available? NOPE.) - she is just 'like that' to show she's 'strong'. Eejits.
Are you shouting to prove you are a strong women?
Load More Replies...When people forget the second comma. It's "books, cheese, and more!" not "books, cheese and more!" At least that's how I think of it.
The Oxford comma has ended as many relationships as cheating spouses. People are willing to die for an inkspot's presence or absence.
Remember, commas was invented to make it easier to read, not to make it more difficult to write.
Load More Replies...I'm with you 100%. While there are times it's not too important, there are times it is absolutely necessary for clarity of meaning.
yes. it doesnt make any sense. a comma indicates a change and topics. "books, cheese and more" could be changed to "books, cheese and milk" commas make a list. #1: books #2: cheese and things similar to cheese. "books, cheese, and more" means #1: books #2: cheese #3: more (could be related, could be unrelated)
You are correct, that second comma is not required, except in a situation like Moosy Girl's.
Load More Replies...A classic found in the wikipedia entry on the oxford comma, from an article in The Times: "highlights of his global tour include encounters with Nelson Mandela, an 800-year-old demigod and a dildo collector".
This is a myth. Non-yanks (it’s usually yanks who are obnoxious about that comma) could just as easily say “Nelson Mandela, a dildo collector, and Bishop Desmond Tutu.”
Load More Replies...Yep. Absolutely hate it when folks write stuff like "I paused, looked around then decided to keep going." or "She visited Spain, France and America!" I mean, come on, ADD THAT LAST COMMA FOR PETE'S SAKE, PLEASEEEEE
Follow through on world-building. This is especially true in fantasy and sci-fi when the author has the MacGuffin in the story but only focuses on it for the main plot. But if you have magic or tech or some object or whatever, show how it affects the rest of the world if you are adding detail about that world! Otherwise the book just seems lazy to me and pulls me right out of the story.
I'm currently reading a comic version of Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? because I've recently gotten into sci-fi, but like- it got confusing fairly quickly because the POV keeps switching and they keep talking about things that haven't been introduced to the story yet. I'm trying to push through and hoping that it'll become more interesting after some drama, but I'm starting to think it's just a lost cause.
I don’t recall that one being too hard follow in text format, might help the comic flow better if you read it. I know I have a hard time following most comics, in general.
Load More Replies...When characters should die but in the end everyone is saved/brought back to life. Disney...
Infodumps. It's called 'backstory' for a reason: it informs the text, without being a part of it. I don't want to be fed all the author's research, world building, and character sheets in enormous indigestible lumps, I just need to know what's important to the story as it progresses. I could also do without pointless interpersonal conflict. Or at least, if the story hinges on everyone in it behaving like enraged geese over some Big Misunderstanding or another, lean into it and make it a comedy.
Dan Brown tends to overdo it with the research citations and a lot of his research is evidently just googling, because I've spotted a few factual errors.
Yeah, infodumps are for someone mentions the Sonic Movie and I tell them every piece of Sonic lore ever.
I have a story involving enraged geese, but that's not revelant. Interpersonal conflicts that are comedy, however, are a delight for me as long as they work with the characters.
Bad editing!! The improper use of 'lie' and 'lay'. FFS people, you lie down. You lay something down. You do NOT lay down.
Yep. Horrid. "I am going to lay down here". No, "lay" is past tense of "lie." E.g. I will lie on the floor, I lay on the floor, I have lain on the floor. Present tense is "lie". You can tell the difference between this and "untruth" by context. No one is going to untruth on the floor. The only use of "lay" in present-tense is when you are placing something on a surface, e.g. "lay the bricks" or "lay the book on the table". To "lay" something implies two items of relevance: the person doing the laying (the bricklayer, or myself carrying a book in my hand), and the object being laid, e.g. a book, a brick.
I have the same peeve with the word 'lighted' as in "he lighted a match". What's wrong with the word 'lit'?
And why has everyone started saying "shined" when the word is "shone"?
Load More Replies...Trying to set an ambience by describing the protagonist listening to a very particular song: "She sat near the window, listening to 'How Deep is Your Love' by the Bee Gees. I know the author wants to set a mood, but not all songs do that! What if the reader hates the song? or does not know it?
It doesn't matter if the reader hates the song. What matters is if the character likes it. And if I'm unfamiliar with the song I Google it.
"Something from a high-pitched 70's male-band complementing the silence of the background" would have read so much better
Load More Replies...Whenever a book mentions a song I hate, I quickly close the book before the book starts playing that song and forcing me to listen to it. .....Oh, wait, that's not how books work, and I can just continue reading without it impacting my life in any way whatsoever. Sorry, I forgot for a second
But what if I want to put *megalovania intensifies* In a story/joking
literary ads/blurbs that tell you nothing about the book. often they say, "for fans of x books or y authors" and leave it at that.
At least there is a blurb. I hate it when the back of the book is nothing but rave reviews but I have no idea what the book is about. With some luck the inside flaps of the dust cover actually has a blurb, but sometimes that space is just an author biography. Instant non-sale.
I bought a book in advance the other day because I knew most of the authors in the collection. There was no blurb. I thought it was because it wasn't published yet. Nope. Still no blurb in the description (so really, no description, just blah, blah, blahs) and no blurb in my Kindle either.
When the child-aged main character of a novel set in the past somehow has the fully-formed values and life view of a 21st century urban liberal and goes about pluckily defying social norms left and right. Not saying characters can’t have subversive views but authors take it way too far.
I thought of The White Giraffe when I read this. It's a very nicely written book and I recommend it to young readers, but the main character is an 11 year old girl who speaks beautifully and knows many things that your average adult probably doesn't. This is only one example, but I know of quite a few other stories that have similar if not the same problem.
When you get to the end of the novel and the author has made the "murderer" the person who showed up once , in passing at the very beginning of the novel... like the guy named Ted who lives three doors down and passed the protagonist on the street and said 'hi".
I don't like it when a story grabs you, but then the writer actually has an agenda. Examples: The Jungle by Upton Sinclair and Man's Search for Meaning. The Jungle is really in favor of socialism and Man's Search for Meaning is so he can talk about his logo therapy.
Humourless writing. I don't care what you're writing. Essay? Add humour. History book? Add humor. Story? Add Humour. Unless you're talking about something really serious (like slavery or hate crimes etc.), humour will engage, interest and entertain your reader. It doesn't have to be complicated, just some simple sarcasm or witty comment.
This a billion times. With two caveats. Not everyone can write humor. And, even if you can, not everyone will like that particular brand of humor. I stopped worrying about the second one a long time ago and feel confident, in general, that one doesn't apply to me. But then...
in English class,everything has to symbolise something Flowers can't just be flowers anymore
When an author comes out with information in an interview or on the internet that changes big things but has nothing to do with the story (Dumbledore is gay for example) it feels like they are just pandering.
Actually, I have to disagree with this. I always thought it was kind of fun to learn extra details and miniature stories that weren't mentioned in the original book(s). As long as it's not a detail that would end up changing the whole course of/how you feel about the actual story, then it's just some bonus info.
I agree, I *seem* to recall that she mentioned Dumbledore's orientation only after finishing the majority of the series (i think till Halfblood Prince), so it was kinda moot since it had no direct bearing on the story at all till she brought in the whole Grindelwald backstory...
The Dumbledore being gay wasn't sudden. From the trivia section of Half-blood Prince on IMDb: "J.K. Rowling read through the script, and found a line where Dumbledore mentions a girl he had a crush on when he was younger. After reading it, she informed the filmmakers that Dumbledore is in fact gay, and that his only romantic infatuation was with the wizard Grindelwald, whom he later had to defeat in a wizard duel. She later made this information public while promoting the final book, "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows"."
Load More Replies...This is a specific annoyance. We must all accept that Dumbledore is gay, she said so. If you adhere to all of the series, you must accept this.
Yeah I feel like Dumbledore is a poor example, but it was the only one I knew for sure.
Load More Replies...Overuse of context-irrelevant descriptors instead of pronouns or names (ex. "said the blonde").
I'm reading 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea, and Verne keeps referring to Ned Land as "the Canadian." It isn't even important to the story, it just means he speaks French, just like all the other characters.
Maybe he is alluding to the fact that Quebecoises are not "real" frenchmen?
Load More Replies...Unless the main character doesn't know the other person's name yet and this is the only way to describe them
When the recap for a book in a series isn’t well written, and it is very obvious that the author is being lazy and doesn’t have the time to delicately weave the information into the opening chapters, but just blurts it out. I’d almost rather have a paragraph that summarizes the previous books before the story starts.
There was one series I read in high school where the author had word-for-word copied exposition from book to book.
I just finished a story and I complained about exactly that in my reviews.
Load More Replies...Anne McCaffrey would have an intro in each of the Pern series that was similar. If you read many of them you didn't need to reread the intro each time.
1. My biggest one is when books that are otherwise very good shove a romance in. Not everything needs a romance! 2. Romances that always start and end at the same stage of the relationship, (meeting, developing feelings, getting together) or always have a happy ending, or turn from a crush into love too fast. 3. ALWAYS refusing to kill, even in self-defense. The character could prevent mass murder, if they just shot the villain. 4. Talking forever at unwise times during combat. 5. That "strong female characters" can't like feminine things, not even just a little bit. It's ok for characters to not be feminine at all but the trope is so overused that it can be harmful. 6. All-or-nothing labels. Old or young. Feminine or masculine. Good or bad. Gay or straight. Poor or rich. One race or the other with no mixing ever. 7. SPELLING EVERYTHING OUT IMMEDIATELY. Whether it's characters or plot I enjoy a few things either left to the imagination, unlabeled, ambiguous, etc.
I agree with all of what you just wrote. I know a lot of strong, feminine women in real life, but the ones in books always have to be masculine, because feminism is "wEaK aNd BoRiNg," or whatever the hell male authors think.
I've referenced this book before in this thread, but for #5, Celaena Sardothien in Throne of Glass loves fancy dresses and makeup and stuff, but she's still a trained assassin and a great character
"3. ALWAYS refusing to kill, even in self-defense. The character could prevent mass murder, if they just shot the villain." I don't know anything about you, where you come from, but let me tell you that it is unbelievably hard, if not impossible, for most humans to kill another, especially face-to-face. So, "refusing to kill" seems to very accurately mirror real life.
The "puppet master" trope with titles like "Master" or "Director": all-knowing, all wise and always in control. It really bugs me how authors like Dan Brown, Stephenie Meyer or Susan Collins portay these master-manipulators with infinite resources, infinite connection and nfinite power that, however, are defeated by the rag-tag group of heroes with simple strategies. I love the character of Cardinal Richelieu in The Three Musketeers, exactly because the fact of the three heroes "winning" does not affect him, it is just a minor inconvinient, as it would be in real life.
Are you saying that you do not accept that any character is invincible? Or is portrayed such? Or is infinitely wise? I agree with you. I prefer the hero or anti hero to be flawed and only to persevere based on their individual assets, and maybe luck, but mostly because of us, the readers will for them to succeed.
I find his books like junk food: simple plots, easy too ride, cheap and entretaining.
Load More Replies...(apart from if part of that character is literally the fact they can mind control)
when literary snobs try to read too much into everything as if every everything is metaphor!
I think what Ashley is trying to say here is that time itself can be a cage as those memories that she's most attached to are out of her grasp although play significant roles in her own internal identity, whilst her peers are viewing her through the lens of the era(s) they have seen and experienced her within. This then forces her to reconstruct those relationships internally, which leads her to creating the mirrored characterizations of herself. When she uses the phrase "too much," this is alluding to her childhood during which her mother would use the same term when scolding her. This hints at the lasting impact of this disappointment (which she expands upon further in her future posts). The reader is initially led to believe that "every everything" is a typo, but as her frustration is unfolded towards the denouement of the post, it serves to depict her self-reflection as layered and convoluted as her own perspective is forced upon her through her experiences.
TLDR; Troux is trying to say that while, in certain genres, the cage of time can be escaped, the memories will always resurface, both in the author's and reader's life, which will be exhibited in the character(s) internal narration, or perhaps external narration, if the setting calls for it. Their take is that Ashley's peers will help imprison her as the bars of the cage, focusing in on her like the closing walls used to symbolize entrapment in so many stories. She then, extrapolating from external hate, internalizes and intensifies it as a forge to make new bars for her cage. The material for these new bars comes from her horrible memories, specifically her childhood, where her mother enters as the foundation and floor of the cage. Only from this could her memories and peers be turned into the bars of the cage. While "every everything" could, indeed, be a typo, more experienced readers will understand the nuance of frustration destroying Ashley's ability to competently express herself through writing. This represents itself as the ceiling of the cage, in which her expectations of more horrible memories and experiences create a never-ending fear of the future and the horrors it will bring.
Load More Replies...I'm in a FB group for Dune fans and it's really scary how literally people can take a work of fiction!
I hate it when authors write the hero as an absolute idiot, e.g. DBS Goku. In Z, Goku wasn’t as stupid but the writers then wrote him as an idiot. You don’t need a character to be funny from stupidity, also, Majin Buu, stupid character. Like, when he separates from himself, then combines again, he’s somehow smarter?
Goku was always "stupid", the English dub made him sound smarter than he actually was. He was both the protagonist and a massive part of the comic relief in the original versions. It's part of the whole saiyan thing, they value a good fight over the good of society. As an example, in the English dub of Z Goku lets Vegeta live so he can repent, become a better person and blah blah blah....in the original version he lets Vegeta live because he wants him to get stronger so they can fight again. As a sidenote, him getting stupider would actually make canonical sense given the sheer amount of head trauma he's endured, the dude is literally brain damaged from the start of Dragon Ball so seeing an escalation would make sense.
Yes, that is true. I can see some holes in my argument now, but literally. Goku went down like, 10 IQ in Super
Load More Replies...Are you talking about the anime or the Manga? Becaude if it's the former, that's not literary
Anne of Green Gables is an amazing book, but the plot felt all over the place. Whenever a book is doing this, and I already feel like it’s lacking I will spank the book (yes im aware how weird I am and how this hurts paperbacks, but honestly they deserve it)
I once read a novel based on history. The author just ignored facts that made her characters look bad. It made me very angry. The author's picture was on the cover so I drew a mustache on her.
And the series went very downhill as the books went on, in my opinion.
Writers who assume you are intimately familiar with the real-world settings and temporal culture references. When stories are set in a real world location that the author has grown up in, you need to dig out dictionaries, atlases, and newspapers from the applicable era to even have a remote clue what they are talking about. Just 2 decades out is bad enough, but when you cannot properly grasp a story without a bachelor's degree in the societal structure and political details in the relevant setting, the author HAS FAILED. Just about every 'classic' suffers this, yet we are force-fed the content (Looking at you Shakespeare, whoever you might be, and Dostoevsky". Yet this can be overcome - Most of Hemmingway and works such as "A Clockwork Orange" can be read & understood without requiring expertise in the backdrops.
With Dostoevsky the fault usually lies on the translator. The most popular translation was done by an Englishwoman in the 19th century and is like reading mud. It makes much more sense in Russian and if you live in Russian culture ( which is who Dostoevsky wrote it for). What you want is a better translation with explanatory notes.
This makes me want to try to tackle crime and punishment again. It's almost unheard of for me to give up on a book; if nothing else, i'll finish it on stubborn, grudging principle.
Load More Replies...Not sure I'd fault Shakespeare for being unaware his plays wouldn't be understood 400 years in the future.
Yeah also shakespeare's not a book author or novellist, he writes plays, meant to be read aloud. The lines are supposed to have rhythm and rhyme. And they definitely do not need massive background research to follow. There are very few points which are obscure. I say this living in Africa. Only obscure thing I can think of was the word "yclept", meaning "called" or "named".
Load More Replies...That's not fair to Shakespeare and Dostoevsky. They were writing for people living in their times and in their culture. They had no way of knowing that you would someday show up.
They're complaining about Shakespeare but think Clockwork Orange is easy to understand? The first paragraph of Clockwork Orange is, "What’s it going to be then, eh? There was me, that is Alex, and my three droogs, that is Pete, Georgie, and Dim, Dim being really dim, and we sat in the Korova milkbar making up our rassoodocks what to do with the evening, a flip dark chill winter bastard though dry. The Korova milkbar was a milk-plus mesto, and you may, o my brothers, have forgotten what these mestos were like, things changing so skorry these days and everybody very quick to forget, newspapers not being read much neither."... It's not in English.
Once you grasp the slang, you can follow the story. It doesn't require encyclopedic knowledge of the time and era.
Load More Replies...Shakespeare is some old words and some peculiarities, but most of it is perfectly understandable
Yeah, it's Shakespeare's fault that English has evolved a lot in nearly five hundred years, and Hemingway's a genius for having been a writer in the twentieth century. Duh.
I actually enjoy doing the research, I love putting things in context. As far as Clockwork Orange or other books with colloquial language, such as those written by Richard Wright or Tomas Carrasquilla of Colombia, is a matter of getting used to. But we're all entitled to our own opinions
Switching to italics for long periods. My vision is sadly, not what it once was, and italics are a royal pain in the bum. I find myself having to hold the book up to my face and even then I have to angle it just right. I know I need glasses but I'm vain.
Agree. And don't be vain. There are some very cool reading glasses out there. Even the dollar store or card/stationary shops have very fashionable ones. I know people who wear 1.0 magnification reading glasses because they're so artistic or different. Statement glasses. No one will judge! Get one of those gold beaded chains and hang them from your neck and dare people to say somthing :)
Where the protagonist is an author going through some type of turmoil…. Seriously, a writer writing about being a writer?! What type of laziness is this???
The past tense of smell is smelled. Smelt is a fish. Drives me crazy when I see that.
My peeve is "lay" versus "lie". As in "I am going to lay down here". No, "lay" is past tense of "lie." E.g. I will lie on the floor, I lay on the floor, I have lain on the floor. Present tense is "lie". You can tell the difference between this and "untruth" by context. No one is going to untruth on the floor. The only use of "lay" in present-tense is when you are placing something on a surface, e.g. "lay the bricks" or "lay the book on the table". To "lay" something implies two items of relevance: the person doing the laying (the bricklayer, or myself carrying a book in my hand), and the object being laid, e.g. a book, a brick.
I hate having "partake" (which means to eat, not to take part) used incorrectly as well as "aggravate" (which means to make worse, not to upset or anger).
Romance books: The word “moist.” Eww.
Seriously though people make fun of others for not liking the word moist when it just sounds weird!
Moist can be used for entertainment, though. I will always treasure Peter Plunkett's (Peter O'Toole's) use of it in High Spirits.
"And then" choppy writing. "Marco grabbed his sword, and swung wildly. He landed one hit and dodged a second. His opponent dodged and faced him. "
Please rewrite those phrases as an improvement. "Marco violently grabbed his trusty sword, and thrust with all his might, swinging wild as he was a warrior. As he destroyed his opponent, and avoided the next...his opponents facing him were all defeated"
Apologies, but your rewrite is dreadful. Too many adverbs and adjectives. How about: "Marco seized his sword. His opponent swirled round to face him. Marco swung wildly, striking his foe, then dodged a counterstrike."
Load More Replies...I also dislike that. I've heard it's supposed to be a technique that 'speeds up the action' and makes it more intense, but it just irritates me.
I think your diagnosis is correct but I disagree that it's irritating. It depends on context. I'd not want to read a description of a flower-filled valley between two snow-capped mountains, written in the choppy style.
Load More Replies...This is kind of a corollary to the ones about continuity within a book, but...continuity within a larger series (Raymond Feist was pretty awful about this in his Riftwar novels). I realize that it becomes harder and harder to keep track of all of your characters' details the more books you write, but...at least MAKE AN EFFORT, FFS.
When there are key-components in the plot that are missing and only revealed at a later time. For example, The Princess and Pauper by Kate Brian. Ok, sure, don't tell me Princess Carina takes on an American accent until she spills her real identity to some random dude from Arizona.
YES! Along with Jim Butcher literally writing in "Skin Game": "Set the Wayback Machine for three mornings ago..."
I’m almost afraid to let this be published, but …. Jane Austen.
Shame on you! Jane Austen is one of my favorite writers. But I'm just teasing because I can see your point. Her writing's not always so great. In the first chapter of Pride and Prejudice, she doesn't even take the trouble to tell us where Mr. and Mrs. Bennet are. It reads more like the dialogue of a play.
A lot of Jane Austen's work is satirical, especially Northanger Abbey in which she makes fun (with and through her writing style, imitating clichés for the sake of ridicule) of the Gothic novels written during that time. Once seen in that context her writing starts to look very different.
I accept that, but you have to be specific...what is that you do not like of Jane Austin?
Her writing style, literature genre.
Load More Replies...My pet peeve is when I start reading something and realise it's a straight-up repost of an article a year old.
Introducing a pet or other animal to the story for the sole purpose of killing it later on for a big emotional affect. One of the things I loved about "Corelli's Mandolin" was that the adorable pine marten survived the whole ordeal.
Pandas, if you’re reading this and you don’t know what a Pine Martin is (Like I didn’t until just now), look it up. Your mind will thank you for being graced with their existence.
Load More Replies...If you’re going to use a specific book for your inspiration (in the context of these pet peeves) Tell Us What It Is! Stand by your trash talk with real references.
How sad is it that this was dragged up from a year ago? C'mon, BP. *Try*. Just *try*.
My annoyance is when they author has a character driving somewhere and they are literally giving us the route they are taking - I don't live in that place, and even if I did, I don't care which roads they took to drive there- it makes no difference to the story - it is just page filler!!
You probably never red a book that was not translated well, right? Because that should be on the first place. Probably because a lot of English speaking people here can't speak any foreign language and have no idea that books in their original language are way more complex and understandable. As a friend of mine said, every translation is a rewriting. She was right.
For me, it's authors having to make smart characters dumb to make a plot point, or entire story work. I had to stop reading Kathy Reich's, because of this. Her 'Temperance Brennan' novels (TV show 'Bones), where Temperance kept being stupid, just to drive the story on. I first noticed this trope in Star Trek Next Generation, the episode where they hosted a group of Betazoids... telepaths...and people start getting mind-raped. As a teenager I was going, "It's the telepaths!". Instead I had to watch these smart, intelligent characters discuss viruses, parasites, microwaves, and sub-space anomalies for 40 minutes...as they stood next to telepaths!
LOL. Marina Sirtis once said she was baffled about how her outfits on ST:TNG dictated her intelligence level. When she was scantily clad she was dumb, but when she was dressed like a crewmember with a real outfit she was suddenly explaining things to Geordi & Data!
Load More Replies...My pet peeve is getting all excited about novels prior to 1920-ish. Most novels I've read - and yes I've read most of the famous english novel corpus before 1930 - are extremely tedious. My biggest disappointment was Dorian Gray. Not nearly as decadent as I'd hoped. It just referred to the protagonists doing decadent things, and alluded to wasting money on artworks and eating food. Meh. I think only DH Lawrence might escape this criticism. And possibly the vile racist Stoker, because of the novelty of his stories (yes, he did more than just THAT story). The rest, really tough to get through them. They spend way too much time on description and too little on dialogue. I guess it was just the style at the time.
Serial killers. This seems to be the lazy go to for just about all writers of thrillers.
My pet peeve is when I start reading something and realise it's a straight-up repost of an article a year old.
Introducing a pet or other animal to the story for the sole purpose of killing it later on for a big emotional affect. One of the things I loved about "Corelli's Mandolin" was that the adorable pine marten survived the whole ordeal.
Pandas, if you’re reading this and you don’t know what a Pine Martin is (Like I didn’t until just now), look it up. Your mind will thank you for being graced with their existence.
Load More Replies...If you’re going to use a specific book for your inspiration (in the context of these pet peeves) Tell Us What It Is! Stand by your trash talk with real references.
How sad is it that this was dragged up from a year ago? C'mon, BP. *Try*. Just *try*.
My annoyance is when they author has a character driving somewhere and they are literally giving us the route they are taking - I don't live in that place, and even if I did, I don't care which roads they took to drive there- it makes no difference to the story - it is just page filler!!
You probably never red a book that was not translated well, right? Because that should be on the first place. Probably because a lot of English speaking people here can't speak any foreign language and have no idea that books in their original language are way more complex and understandable. As a friend of mine said, every translation is a rewriting. She was right.
For me, it's authors having to make smart characters dumb to make a plot point, or entire story work. I had to stop reading Kathy Reich's, because of this. Her 'Temperance Brennan' novels (TV show 'Bones), where Temperance kept being stupid, just to drive the story on. I first noticed this trope in Star Trek Next Generation, the episode where they hosted a group of Betazoids... telepaths...and people start getting mind-raped. As a teenager I was going, "It's the telepaths!". Instead I had to watch these smart, intelligent characters discuss viruses, parasites, microwaves, and sub-space anomalies for 40 minutes...as they stood next to telepaths!
LOL. Marina Sirtis once said she was baffled about how her outfits on ST:TNG dictated her intelligence level. When she was scantily clad she was dumb, but when she was dressed like a crewmember with a real outfit she was suddenly explaining things to Geordi & Data!
Load More Replies...My pet peeve is getting all excited about novels prior to 1920-ish. Most novels I've read - and yes I've read most of the famous english novel corpus before 1930 - are extremely tedious. My biggest disappointment was Dorian Gray. Not nearly as decadent as I'd hoped. It just referred to the protagonists doing decadent things, and alluded to wasting money on artworks and eating food. Meh. I think only DH Lawrence might escape this criticism. And possibly the vile racist Stoker, because of the novelty of his stories (yes, he did more than just THAT story). The rest, really tough to get through them. They spend way too much time on description and too little on dialogue. I guess it was just the style at the time.
Serial killers. This seems to be the lazy go to for just about all writers of thrillers.
