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Sometimes, we forget that nobody's perfect. We hear an album that speaks to our heart, so we decide to learn more about the artist who made it, and three days of binge-watching their interviews later, we set the picture as our phone screen, convinced they can do no wrong. But there's a reason they say you need to separate the person from the craft. Actually, a bunch of reasons. And they're listed on this Reddit thread where disappointed fans reveal how they learned about their idols' dark side.
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#1
**Elon Musk**
Not so much "idolized" as "admired" and thought was a positive force for progress and advancing the right kinds of sciences.
Then it became obvious that he was actually a pretty horrible person.
DrBronxx 3 months ago
Always gotta look at billionaires with a bit of suspicion. To build that much wealth, you have to have done some s****y things along the way.
Krd 3 months ago
Not always, but yeah, most often. Like Warren Buffet is rather decent billionaire. And Soros is ok, if you don't buy into all the right-wing conspiracies about him.
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Starbug 3 months ago
So?????? Plenty of people are on the spectrum but they're not POS
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#2
Tough to match Bill Cosby
America has never loved anyone as unanimously as Bill Cosby. The Cosby Show was the #1 show in the country.
Hippopotamuses 3 months ago
Not just America. He was admired in many other English speaking countries as well.
Ace 3 months ago
Sir Jimmy Saville was one of the UKs most beloved entertainers, and turned out to be one of the worst offenders, on a much larger scale than Cosby.
Julie S 3 months ago
I don't actually think Jimmy Saville was as loved as Bill Cosby. I always thought he was a creepy little man.
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Scarlett O'Hara's Ghost 3 months ago
Cosby's fall from grace was long and hard. I tried to stay positive. I tried to stick to facts instead of gossip. But it was all true. It doesn't even matter if he's in prison or not. His legacy is ruined.
Julia Cargile 3 months ago
He makes me sick to my stomach. Think of all the money the actors lost becasue he had to d**g women to sleep with him-digusting.
Joanne Mendonza-Earle 3 months ago
I have always been in the minority in that I've never liked him. I've found him very smug. I didn't like the Fat Albert stuff. I watched Cosby but he was my least fave character.
Bumpuff 3 months ago
I never got why he was so famous. I never found him funny at all. Boring AF in fact.
Antoinette the Red 3 months ago
Maybe you're too young to remember his comedy albums and Fat Albert before his Huxabel TV show. Clean AND Funny.
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UncleJon_TheMadScientist 3 months ago
Besides being a monster he is a hypocrite, after all he got rid of Lisa bonet because she was too much for the show
(((Sherlocat))) she/her 2 months ago
What do you mean? I hadn't heard about this.
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I’m old, so crushing on Sean Connery and later hearing him explain how you sometimes need to hit a woman to get her to fall in line.
DrBronxx 3 months ago (edited)
He thought it was morally the right thing to do "when necessary". P r i c k.
axle f 3 months ago
...some people don't even apply that weak s****y filter...
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Jrog 3 months ago
In many aspects, he was the product of his times. His views on gender roles were what he picked up growing in the 1930s. Didn't help that the quote in question -given to Playboy in 1965- was misreported and taken out of context, sounding meanier than it was. He came back to the topic few years later explaining how it was misreported, but still partially true, and how he came to understand the issue better and embrace more progressive views. At the same time, he was quite progressive on many social issues: he was mildly anti-colonalist, supported Scottish independence, he did not partake in racial discrimination and was neutral on LGBTQ issues.
Christine Ladyman 3 months ago
Plus he was so indignant for years that he hadn't got a knighthood, whilst constantly hating the English and speaking out nastily... that's petty childish and arrogant all in one.
Fat Harry (Oi / You) 3 months ago
He was also a HUGE advocate for Scottish independence... but lived abroad. He was just a massive hypocrite.
Brandi VanSteenwyk 3 months ago
WOW!! I had never heard about this. I am not a big social media (besides BP) fan. But... My respect & admiration for SC just hit rock bottom.
#4
Unfortunately, in my early 20s, I for some reason idolized **Donald Trump**. At the time, I bought the full season of The Apprentice DVD set and would watch it often. I thought those business people were so smart and wanted to be like that. I didn't have much money, so I would sometimes buy old business textbooks and those corny 1990s businessey self-help kind of books and read them.
25 years later, I'm in my mid-40s and hard cringe at the guy I used to be. So happy I never pursued business, and moved out of being in a big city. Enjoying a simpler life now, appreciating nature, camping and fine arts. I'm also Canadian, so not sure why I was obsessed with American businessmen. I can now sympathize with young men today, and recall feeling lost, unimportant, not included in society, and looking for male role models. We need to do better.
Mike F 3 months ago
As far back as I can remember I've thought that moron was a b******d idiot.
Tonja Jackson 3 months ago
Definitely! He always reminded me of the stereotypical, sleezy used car salesman and I’ve never understood why anyone would admire him.
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axle f 3 months ago
...anyone who doesn't see exactly who and what Donald Trump is? Has missed the last fifty years of this unrelenting attention whores schtick..
StrangeOne 3 months ago (edited)
That info wasn't widely known to Canadians. I didn't even hear about Donald Trump until The Apprentice aired in Canada. I didn't particularly like him and he gave the impression that anyone going into business anything has a very high chance of getting fired and you're life will be ruined forever. I also hated the snooty secretary. I didn't know she was Ivanka Trump. Once we heard, though, that he wanted to run for president it was already clear how greedy and power hungry he is. But Canadians didn't think it would actually happen. We thought it was a joke he would try to run. We thought US citizens were smarter than voting him in. Welp, the US just proved how much of a joke they are, 2 times.
Load More Replies... Jane Doe-Doe 3 months ago
NEVER EVER EVER EVER liked the lying, rapist, self centred, felon orange orangutan ( no offence to orangutan’s )
Drop Bear from Hell 3 months ago
A flaming t**d in a paper bag would still be a better President and human being that the Dumpster.
CP 3 months ago
When the show first came on, I assumed Trump was playing an 80s immoral business type character. Not that he was playing himself.
StrangeOne 3 months ago
Same. Never heard of him before that show. It was a long while that I realized he made an appearance in Home Alone 2.
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CaliPanda 3 months ago (edited)
I watched The Apprentice when it first started. I stopped watching when the format changed - the team that lost the challenge that week was banished from the mansion and had to sleep outside in tents on the grounds. I thought that was cruel and unnecessary. Portend much?
#5
Not gonna lie I was pretty heartbroken to hear how awful Walt Disney was. Especially toward the Jews that man gave me Mickey Mouse and movies that made my childhood great. Not to mention he underpays staff and Disney meanwhile makes billions.
Michael Largey 3 months ago
When his workers tried to organize, he reported them to the FBI as communist spies.
Tyranamar Seuss 3 months ago
Disney always paid really well. I made excellent money with them as a teenager. Walt's vision was to have staff stay their whole lives. So he paid well. Disney is union now but it was never a poorly paid place.
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Gebidozo 3 months ago (edited)
He wasn’t exactly “awful towards the Jews”. He actually hired Jews at a time when some other companies in the USA refused to do it. Unfortunately, he did have right-wing, highly conservative, uncompromisingly capitalist views, bordering on fascism. But he wasn’t nowhere near as bad as Charles Lindbergh in his associations with the Nazis, or Henry Ford in his antisemitism.
ghost gurl 3 months ago
just because he was "nowhere near as bad" as another disgusting racist doesnt negate his behavior. Holding up the names of 3 evil ppl and putting them in order from worst to least evil doesnt make the 3rd better. What a weird statement to make.
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Michael None 3 months ago
Funny story Mickey mouse wears white gloves because he was supposed to be reminiscent of the vaudeville blackface skits of the previous era. Mickey mouse is in blackface. Your welcome.
Mel in Georgia 3 months ago
There are several reasons, including wanting to make him appear more human, and giving his hands contrast against his black body. It's also speculated that it came from vaudeville, but even Bugs Bunny wears gloves.
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Right. Disney got me through some of the hardest parts of my childhood and yet to find out he wasn’t a great person just made me realize at a young age that people will literally wear a mask in front of millions while having the darkest hearts
#6
My favorite author from about 12-18 was Orson Scott Card, he wrote Enders Game. Turns out he is a super racist who called Obama an animal. He writes sci fi and how humans and alien races can coexist…but then hates black people. What a terrible thing to find out man.
liam newton-harding 3 months ago (edited)
Raging homophobe...who writes homoerotic scenes between teens, and tweens in his books...can't possibly be over-compensating like all those priests, politicians, and average joes down at the bar who talk nightly about how much they HATE "the gays" while talking about...in great detail..all the "disgusting" things they must get up to.
Austzn 3 months ago
*Tucker Carlson challenges Pete Buttigieg to a gay-off* 🤦🏻
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highwaycrossingfrog 3 months ago
Same. I love the Ender and Bean sagas. So disappointed to find out what a PoS he is
Caffeinated Ape 3 months ago
Oh he's racist too? Figures. I just know his reputation for slavering, rabid homophobia.
David 3 months ago
Well he is a political conservative Mormon and has been since the beginning While he raged against Obama, I cant find anything about him hating black people other than people claiming they see it hidden in his writings (the only thing they actually have is he has few black characters in his books). But he is more known for his anti LGBT stance, like any Mormon in good standing with the LDS Church.
Lee Gilliland 3 months ago
When I knew him had had several black friends. He's not a hater, merely forced into places he's not comfortable in.
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Panda Kicki 3 months ago
Eddings was a big part of my young reading. Until I found out how they a****d and tortyred their adopted child and went to prison. How they managed to hide it for so long...
Lee Gilliland 3 months ago
I remember his "Secular Humanist Revival" meetings at cons which were hysterical until the Elders got irritated and banned them. He's a wonderfully imaginative guy with a sh*tty background forced by his religion to make awful decisions.
#7
My ex boyfriend took me in when my family disowned me for being gay, after I was anonymously outed. Thought he was my hero and an angel of a person. Later found out he was the one who outed me to them.
Kali Chaos 3 months ago
There's a special place down under that handles placement in the afterlife. What an unfortunate person, sounds like some super bananas gaslighting to me. It is never okay for someone else to out you without express permission. That occurred over several prior conversations.
Marnie 3 months ago
I hope my best friend from high school is there. After a s*****e attempt in which I almost died, she told everyone in our large high school about it - and told everyone it was because I was not a Christian. (Which is actually odd, because at the time, I considered myself to be Christian and had just a couple of months earlier gone to a week-long Christian-focused camp.)
Load More Replies... Caffeinated Ape 3 months ago
This is a plot point in several queer-themed stories I've read, and I have to assume the authors were drawing from their own experiences with such things. :(
Sinise Jones 3 months ago
Was this stolen from reddit? Someone posted this exact story on Reddit a few days ago
Tom Brincefield 3 months ago
Most BP stories like this are scraped from other sites. If you click the little name on the bottom left of the post, it will take you to the original post, which is Reddit for this one.
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#8
Idolized my father as a kid. Then I met his two previous kids, the ones he abandoned and refused to pay child support for, even while his ex wife had cancer. Not cause he was poor and couldn't afford it, but because he wanted to "climb the ladder of success."
Joke was on him, he hid his assets from his first wife by putting his house fully in the name of his second wife, who got to keep the whole house after his divorce.
Ace 3 months ago
🎶Dealing in debt and stealing in the name of the Lord..... Mama just hung her head and said..... "Papa was a rolling stone, my son....
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Joe Reaves 3 months ago
There are certain decisions where if you choose to be scummy, you're now stuck with your spouse for the rest of your life no matter how miserable you are. Like putting your assets in the wife's name - you now have to make her keep liking you at all costs. Equally if you get your spouse to lie to the police for anything without a statute of limitations, you have to do whatever it takes to make sure they never ever divorce you. Because police review open cases periodically and as soon as they see the words 'ex-wife/husband' next to an alibi witness they're like jackpot, here's someone who hates our suspect enough to recant. You did something s****y and made your own bed, now lie in it.
#9
As an 80s kid, Hulk Hogan. Lucky for him social media did not exist. I am sure he was the same guy then as the one he was later in life.
Hippopotamuses 3 months ago
I'm still impressed with the homo-erotic shot of him tearing his tee shirt off at a pro-Trump rally
Noyfb noyfb 3 months ago
Pro wrestling is totally made-up beefcake play-acting. How could “liar” be any sort of moral standard in that world??
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Andy Frobig 3 months ago
I never cared one way or another about Hogan, but was sad to find out Jimmy Snuka was almost certainly a m******r
R Dennis 3 months ago (edited)
His own daughter disowned him for his racism. He never "walked with christ" or any other deity. He was a fraud and a deceiver, just like Trump. Anyone that falls for either of their bags of lies is getting a rude awakening if there is an afterlife.
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I remember a time where Will and Jada Pinkett Smith was held up as one of the few examples of a strong celebrity marriage.
Asmodeus Hare 2 months ago
And Chris Rock tanked that slap and even joked about it.
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Russell Brand
Used to be humble yet hilarious, witty beyond belief in his old radio shows and his British Ponderland show.
I met my hero in an airport, he was kind and charming and genuinely empathetic to me. They say never meet your heroes, but I was so happy I met mine.
Turned out to be a disgusting sycophant who kisses the rings of the worst people on the planet
What a disappointment.
DrBronxx 3 months ago
I first saw him as the host of Big Brother's Little Brother. He was never, ever, ever humble.
Fat Harry (Oi / You) 3 months ago
Don't really understand this one. Brand came across as a narcissistic t**t from day one.
UKGrandad 3 months ago
He goes on trial next June on charges of rápe, séxual ássault and indecent ássault. Five charges in total involving four women in separate incidents.
(((Sherlocat))) she/her 2 months ago
Yeah, I was puzzled when all the post said was: "Turned out to be a disgusting sycophant who kisses the rings of the worst people on the planet". That's not even the WORST bit!!! 😖
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Frank Sherbet 3 months ago
People are suckers for an accent. Here is a clue. Most celebrities are not good people. Start with that.
#12
My high school best friend. We were inseparable and unstoppable, super super liberal and free, anti-authoritarian, iconoclastic, irreverent, and very rebellious. He was the kind of guy that would wear a dress to make a point, or make up.
He's now a Trump voting MAGAt who will unabashedly tell you that he is proud to vote against people's rights.
axle f 3 months ago
..still wears women's underwear, isn't allowed within 300 yards of children or schools....and is *heavily* involved in youth activities in his local Baptist Church. Guessing, here .
Austzn 3 months ago
I've came across a few in my life. The loudest one's are so often the most full of it.
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James Anthony 3 months ago
I had a similar best friend, and to make it worse, we were always leftist punk rockers. Now he's a hardcore MAGA type. I retired the combat boots and spikes, but I'm still a leftist politically.
Brandi VanSteenwyk 3 months ago
I struggle greatly when I am forced to, in the course of my job or personal affairs (not CLOSE personal but family reps), deal with blatantly creepy, MAGA-puking sheeple. I have had to learn to anchor my tongue more than any other time in my 58 years.
Scott Rackley 3 months ago
When the "different ideas" are racism, bigotry and hate, is perfectly fine to 86 them.
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#13
I was very disappointed when it was revealed that Lance Armstrong had been doping for most of his career. And had forced others to do it.
I had believed his book when he wrote about his natural attributes to make him a great cyclist.
I threw out all my LiveStrong stuff and his book.
Hippopotamuses 3 months ago
Despite not being American, I was really surprised about his doping. The guy was a hero. Especially after fighting off testicular cancer.
dustygraham6 1 week ago
Wait the doping and testicular cancer were two separate incidents? I was in like jr high early high school when this happened and the teachers/ media etc made it seem like he was only doping meds for the testicular cancer which just happened to be a steroid type medication not that he was like legit doping doping or having other people do it as well 😱😱😱
Load More Replies... DrBronxx 3 months ago
I knew a cyclist who was in the middle of cycling through every country in the world (or as many as he could possibly do). He told me that when he was younger he was into the competitive thing, you could only get so far "naturally", and to actually be successful, you *have to* get into doping. He said everyone was doping. That's why he gave up competitive cycling. As a result, it was no surprise to me when Armstrong was exposed a few years later.
Krd 3 months ago
Eh, honestly almost everyone was doping back then. If you were to give his medals to the next runner up who was never caught doping, you'd have to give the medals to something like the 27th position finisher (been a while since I learned this fact, so I forget the actual # position finish, but it's deep). Basically the top 50-75% of cyclists from that era have been linked to doping.
R Dennis 3 months ago
Honestly, I'm tired of the over-criticism. None of the rest of the peleton has been held to the same standard. Even the great Eddy Merckx doped... I just can't get into the uproar. We have cyclists blowing his stats out of the water and we're supposed to believe cycling is clean? Whatever.
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Apatheist Account2 3 months ago
If I remember correctly, his misdemeanours came to light in the same week as Jimmy Saville's, since a comment was made on a comedy news show about someone arguing that "he raised a lot of money for charity" had never sounded more hollow.
#14
I used to be big on Sylvester Stallone watcher until he recently said the current president was the "modern day Washington". Gross.
Jrog 3 months ago (edited)
In his defense, he is 80 years old, showing signs of senility since decades, never was too bright to begin with and he took way too many blows to the head.
Nikki Sevven 2 months ago
I think you're arguing for the prosecution, not the defense.
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Mike F 3 months ago
He's just a stooge. I saw him once years ago on a daytime talk show. Richard Simmons was also a guest and he (RS) did a little thing about exercises one could do when getting out of bed, really simple. All of the guests and the host (don't remember who) laid down in the floor and Stallone was next to RS and made a big show of getting up and moving so as not to be near RS. This was a very long time ago but I can remember being pi$$ed as a kid over it. The guy is a jerk.
Alexandra Hall 3 months ago
RS was Such a Lovely Person & Soul. That other w****r can p**s off. Ignorance and hate will NEVER triumph over Love. Never.
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dammi andeloe 3 months ago
He fired his staff for eating of left overs that he rather gave to his dogs than them. It's his stuff and he has the right to it. But the way he degraded them,made them feel like the dogs were more important
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Load More Replies... Lee Gilliland 3 months ago
What do you expect from a draft-dodger who went to Canada rather than serve and then made himself the epitome of the Nam vet?
Jrog 2 months ago
That's an urban legend. He never lived in Canada, spent his whole life in the US apart from a brief stint in Switzerland while studying well before he was of draft age.
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#15
In my early 20s, I made this friend. He was really cool, with an exciting job. He was super kind to me when I was going through a hard time. We messaged every day. He would even send me presents and not let me pay him back.
When we'd been friends for about 3 years, he suddenly cut off a lot of friends, including me. He later told me he was having a mental breakdown. It was hard to accept, because I thought he and I had been uniquely special to each other, and I was a little bit in love with him. I assumed because I was autistic and had depression, I wasn't cool enough for him, and he had dropped me from his life because he was sick of pitying me or whatever.
Years later, he added me back on social media. We got talking and he was complimenting me a lot; we were having a lot of really good conversation, back to being really good friends. We arranged to meet.
It was like love at first sight. We became a couple right away. It was magical. We had this sense of "Life has led me to you." He introduced me to his parents a couple of weeks later. He told me I was the best girlfriend he'd ever had and he wanted to be with me forever. He was the best partner I'd ever had.
For three months.
One day I didn’t want to be intimate, I was just depressed that day. And he Kicked. Off.
After that he was cold with me. The loving messages throughout the day stopped. Sometimes he'd just disappear and not explain it. He started flirting with waitresses in front of me, even calling them by the pet name he called me. He would buy me little presents like a fridge magnet (without me asking) then complain about how much money he spent. He told me his parents had said I was cold and arrogant, and when I asked his parents if I'd done anything wrong, they said they loved me.
He was obsessed with the idea that I thought I was too good for him. He had full on delusions that I had said he was ugly and mocked his career - things that categorically didn't happen, or even resemble anything that happened. He became obsessed with telling me I was a horrible person. When we were out together, he would walk meters out in front of me. I am 99% certain he was still talking to his ex, even though he told me she was stupid and boring and he was embarrassed to be seen with her. Our last weekend together, I was staying with him, and I had a bad migraine and had to mostly stay in bed. He gave me the silent treatment all day. I had done nothing to anger him, but he didn't speak to me, didn't let me get food from the kitchen, etc. Because of the migraine I couldn't leave and drive home.
I broke up with him after a month of seeing how bad he was after the lovebombing ended. He didn't try to win me back, but he checked my social media obsessively until I blocked him. Then he made up fake accounts to harrass me. Within three weeks of me breaking up with him, he got back with his ex and messaged me a picture of them together. That lasted for about a week.
When I think about what a wonderful friend he was for years, I feel in shock. How can they be the same person? It's chilling that most people who meet him still think he is one of the nicest people in the entire world.
GlitterPanda 3 months ago
sadly this happens more often that a lot of people realize. Bad people can mask very well in social situations but then eventually show their true colors in private.
#16
I aspired to be as cool as Hyde in That 70s Show at one point... he's in prison now.
Austzn 3 months ago
He was lame on that show. I always thought the Jackie character was under rated but Kitty was definitely the star character. 😍
Kalevra 2 months ago
No wonder you didnt like hyde becasue jackie didnt like hyde.
Load More Replies... Billo66 3 months ago
I grew up in the 70's. That show was irritating to me for some odd reason.
Caffeinated Ape 3 months ago
Was it just blatant inaccuracies? Or perhaps sort of an uncanny valley effect where things get pretty close but are just that little bit off? Or maybe because you lived through the 70s you don't feel the need to revisit the decade solely for entertainment? Sorry, don't mind me, just speculating!
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StrangeOne 3 months ago
Tbf, he played a character and that can be separated from the actor, because someone else can always take their place for the character.
Epona 3 months ago
Neither of those things are not something that you need to go to/be in prison to do/achieve. Public gyms/home gyms are places you can lift weights. Tattoo parlours are places you can get tattoos.
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Pixar was THE storytelling studio from 1995-2010, and John Lasseter was one of the main people behind that. He revitalized Disney after that, and turned it into a juggernaut. His storytelling instincts were second to none. I used to listen to EVERYTHING I could find where he talked about story telling in order to be a better writer.
When it came out that he was a creep, it was very hard on me. I guess he was “just” a creep, compared to so many other people who were cancelled, he just edged into “making people uncomfortable” territory. Still, it ruined my perception of him.
Similarly, Kevin Spacey WAS my favorite actor….
Gebidozo 3 months ago
Many, many artists, directors, actors, musicians, writers, and so on, are “creeps” or worse in real life. This doesn’t diminish their artistic genius, it’s just a testimony of the fact that genius doesn’t in the least equal moral integrity. On the contrary, the God complex of great artists takes its toll on their ethics. Lasseter’s inappropriate behavior is nothing compared to the monstrous acts of, say, Roman Polanski or Miles Davis or many other people of art. We need to learn to separate the artist from the person if we want to enjoy any art at all.
Krd 3 months ago
People really need to learn how to separate the art from the artist. Like all the MJ fans who denied all the child a***e. You can appreciate the art, but that doesn't automatically make the artist a saint; they can, and do, do bad things.
Load More Replies... Adam Zad 3 months ago
He turned Disney into an exploiter. One in ten Disneyland employees... sorry, they don't call them "employees," they call them "cast members"... is homeless (sorry, "unhoused"), and one in FOUR has food insecurity. People who WORK at Disneyland can't afford to GO to Disneyland.
GalPalAl 3 months ago
I awlays found him a little off kilter in some way. And on an episode of The Art of, they showcase his wife talking about the wine collection they developed. She seems like a piece of work too. Both first person characters and more impressed with themselves than others. Yuck
#18
I haven't been able to fully accept the Neil Gaiman accusations yet, probably because of how influential he was on teenage me.
Jrog 3 months ago
Must be noted that those allegations are dubious at best, being made on a podcast specifically trying to attack Gaiman, and none have been followed by formal complaints or criminal charges except one, in New Zealand, where the Police may be still in the process of instructing a case but 2 years have passed and the process has likely been closed without enough proof for prosecutions. Among the statements from the accusers there were major contradictions (some of them let it slip that the encounters were consensual) and the evidence provided in the form of texts was not really proving anything. At the time being, no criminal charges have been filed against Neil Gaiman, and the only part of the New Zealand case that went in front of a judge in civil court has already been dismissed.
Caffeinated Ape 3 months ago
I'm giving the accusers the benefit of the doubt, but you're right to describe the allegations as dubious. I read through an article about some of what happened and it included the verbatim text messages that were exchanged between one of the women in question and Gaiman and I felt that rather than supporting her case the messages painted her as an unreliable narrator at best. The messages seemed innocuous, even amicable, in complete contrast with the allegations.
Load More Replies... Miles Mawyer 3 months ago
This one was doubly depressing, as I love Amanda Palmer, and it looks like she MIGHT have ben complicit. I'm curious how the court cases go.
Peter Bear 3 months ago
Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, not the court of public opinion.
Nikki Sevven 2 months ago
Some idiot downvoted you for stating a fact, so I zeroed you out.
Load More Replies... Lee Gilliland 3 months ago (edited)
There were warning signs that were disregarded and I hold myself as guilty. We knew and gossiped but did nothing directly,because who does that as friends?
Paal Tapio 2 months ago
I lost count of how many times I read "Preludes and Nocturnes" in college, and I've been a fan of his work since. I really thought he was one of the good ones, so this hit particularly hard. I'm almost glad Terry Pratchett isn't with us anymore, lest he be swept up in some guilt by association nonsense.
FreeTheUnicorn 3 months ago
He left NZ when he separated from his wife and moved back to their house in Scotland, where he isolated you make it sounds like a holiday jaunt.
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My older brother. He was always the coolest guy I knew. Had his life together. It always seemed like everything went his way. Was good at sports, school, had lots of friends, dated pretty girls. We grew up and both had families of our own and remained close. I always felt like I struggled to keep it all together, yet he owned his own successful business. Had a huge house. A wife he was devoted to. Great kids.
A couple of summers ago he went through a divorce. A few months after the divorce he and I went on a trip to Vegas. It was the 2 of us, and one of his friends and one of my friends. He and his friend would go to Vegas together a couple of times a year, for about a decade. Our first night there after a 10 hour drive, we gambled for a bit, and headed to his condo around 1 AM. I was ready for bed and he and his friend were going back out. He didn't really say why, but his friend blurted it out. There was a massage parlor that they would frequent that was also a brothel. His friend added "we've been going here for years!".
That's when I realized the guy who i looked up to the most had been cheating on his wife for years. At that moment he understood that by his friend saying this out loud, that I knew he was a cheater.
I still love my brother. But I've never looked at him the same way.
Ben Taylor 3 months ago
When I was growing up my older brother was a hero to me. As we got older, he decided to choose career criminal at career day in high school. Drove a wedge between us that has never been fixed. I moved on, he stayed the criminal course....
Alexia 3 months ago
I feel you. As a young child, I idolized my father. He was kind, strong, gave me a sense of safety. Even in primary school, when I began to see how violent and toxic he was - I still thought he was the best. Then I made the worst mistake possible - I grew up. He had anger issues which he took on me, simply because I couldn't defend myself. He was (and is) deeply misogynistic, racist, homophobic, xenophobic and narcissist. For a long time I tried to find excuses for him: he was tired, he was sacrificing for me, he didn't mean to scream at me like that. But I became an teenager, than an adult and things got much, much worse. I moved away, but I found my peace only after years of therapy.
PeepPeep the duck 3 months ago (edited)
Weirdly my bfs brother is going through this 😂 and the whole time I’m like, what did you think would happen dude, you can’t cheat and get s*x workers over regularly and expect your marriage to last
Thanos'Fingers 3 months ago
Just keep your d**k to yourself and it won't be an issue..
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My father than met a girl named Ella.
She was fun, energetic, kind, a teacher…
She seemed to really like me. Got really close to me. After a month she said that she could be my new mom and that she loved me.
I wasn’t doing well at all at this time.
I got quite attached to Ella. I was basically infatuated. I thought she was this amazing person who really cared about me.
Fast forward a couple months, it didn’t work out between my father and Ella. Likes crash and burn situation.
The day she decided to leave.
I was crying hysterically, asking her to stay and that I needed her.
She told me that I was a mosquito and sucked the life out of her, just like my father.
She apologized a day later, but that just did something with me. I kind of never recovered.
I am now 27 and always think people don’t actually like or care about me. I can’t help but ask if “everything is okay” or “if I did something wrong.”
I can’t seem to just shake that belief.
Am I really this horrible mosquito?
I try to forgive Ella, but think what she did to me was not okay.
megabeth 3 months ago
I don't have enough information, but it could be as simple as "hurt people hurt people". No excuse for being so cruel to a child. I'm only bringing up the perspective to give you something to think about. Do not internalize other people's s**t. It's simply that. S**t. Not yours to master.
GlitterPanda 3 months ago
I get where you're coming from, but it isn't always as easy as telling yourself that other people's s**t is just s**t...especially when you are a child
Load More Replies... RomanceRadish 3 months ago
Please see a licensed therapist to help process this traumatic occurrence. EMDR or brainspotting may help you work through it.
Brian Droste 3 months ago (edited)
You're not a mosquito. You are a person. You have value. Tell yourself that everyday.
Michael Danhauer 3 months ago
Cognitive Therapy OP. Read about it and use it. Fake it until you make it
#21
I thought I was in love with Jared Leto. I came very, very close to getting a 30 Seconds to Mars tattoo. Ick.
Scott Rackley 3 months ago
I refuse to watch any movie with him in it because I know it will be s**t
Novlette Williams 3 months ago
What's the issue with Jared Leto? I don't follow celebrity news.
Gadaffi Duck 3 months ago
Alleged sexual Impropriety against 9 women, some as young as 16. However some evidence contradicts some alleged Victims claims. Apparently it all came out earlier this year. No charges have been revealed as yet.
Load More Replies... Frank Sherbet 3 months ago
Fight Club was his best movie. It's funny that he still gets casted in amything. He definitely sucked some d**k to get where he is.
#22
Pretty much every old rockstar. John Lennon and Jim Morrison were people I looked up to when I was in highschool. Eventually I learned about who they really were and it sucked. Jim Morrison in particular.
Gebidozo 3 months ago (edited)
Again, it is possible to admire their music without admiring them as human beings. Actually, it is the recommended thing to do, otherwise we won’t be listening to anyone because nearly every great musician sucked badly as a person in this way or another.
Bored Sailor 3 months ago
Agree and not saying it was right but ethics, morals and actions over time, decades and centuries changes. When we as people change we cannot use our new values to judge history but maintain what we learned from it.
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b s 3 months ago
What did Morrison do? Honestly, I knew he was a drunk and didn't get along with his dad but I didn't know he was a horrible monster.
Marnie 3 months ago
I think the only really bad thing I heard was a freak out while on heavy d***s where he locked his girlfriend in a closet and set it on fire. Obviously, that's very, very bad. Ray Manzarek from The Doors said not long before his own death that Morrison was honestly a very sweet person overall.
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Sarah Pryde 3 months ago
ID wager that all the "rock stars" from the 60s and 70s were terrible in some way
Todd Clark 2 months ago
I felt the same way about Warren Zevon and Douglas Adams. It doesn't effect my admiration of their work.
CartoonCasey 3 months ago
This is the major reason why I don't investigate the personal lives of famous people. I don't care that much about them and it does put their art into another perspective. Or I try not to. It's kinda hard when they make a major motion picture about them. I want music to take me away from the world. I can't do that and keep track of their sexual exploits and how they tip their waiters. At the end of the day, they were normal people given fame, money and power at an age where most of them were still learning how to be an adult.
axle f 3 months ago
...I'm not sure why you'd be disappointed in a guy claimed his dad was dead (not), advocated LOUDLY for d***s freeing your mind and free s*x... Him only being a pathetic drunk brought you down?
Bailey 3 months ago
To be fair, it was the late 60s in the US, using d***s or advocating sexual freedom was not particularly out of the ordinary, especially in the entertainment circles he moved in. And by all accounts his dad was an ahole, who was also happy with the dead comment, as he felt being linked with Jim would damage his Navy career
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James Watson (of Watson and Crick). When I was studying to be a molecular biologist I thought he was all that.
I met him a few years into my career. A complete heel, jerk, and sleaze.
I am John 3 months ago (edited)
I was giving a talk at a conference in Cold Spring Harbor, there was a huge portrait of him in a green jacket, on one side of the theatre, with a special leather chair under it. He came in halfway through, wearing the green jacket, walked slowly in front of me, sat on his chair, and made loud comments for the rest of the talk. Humble guy...
Thanos'Fingers 3 months ago (edited)
Your life doesn't have to suck as badly as your attitude here hints toward. You CAN get help. Things get better, if you let them. Or at least be a funny doucher. We've got enough regular douchers to keep us busy without you.
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#24
Man, I was super into Jordan Peterson circa 2017 as a young black woman.
Like super annoying, flying to lectures, trying to get multiple ppl to read 12 rules.
It helped me so much I wanted other people to feel empowered.
His might be the biggest let down because before he fell into the right wing grift I know for a fact his psychology lectures could have really helped a lot of people learn to understand themselves and pay attention to their behavior in the world.
Chrystina Sumpter 3 months ago
Ain’t that the truth. I’m showing my age, but I still remember when I could respectfully disagree with conservatives while still respecting their honestly held opinions. Such civil discourse is no longer possible.
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Well, I didn't idolize him but definitely looked up to him, guy I went to College with and we're still in the same friend group many years later, kind of. We knew he wasn't the greatest guy in the world and then: Served in Congress and while in DC he cheated on his wife (the mother of his 3 young children) often, she found out when her Gyno told her she had an STD; He became Governor of my state and early in his 3rd term had to accept a plea deal with the feds, resign, go to federal prison; He learned nothing, basically told the feds "Catch me if you can", they did, he went back to federal prison again.
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Cass Malone 2 months ago
I know who it was. Eric Greitens if I remember his name correctly. It was Missouri
#26
A mangaka from Japan came over to Honolulu and opened a manga workshop for potential students. I signed up, and was one of the eight or nine. Since the mangaka was Japanese and didn’t speak any English, and I was the only one who spoke Japanese (my mom’s Japanese), I was made the interpreter/representative despite being the youngest of the group, and I hadn’t even graduated then.
At first, I agreed to the task, but here’s the thing; I didn’t know all these jargons and terms used by mangaka (that’s one of the reasons why I signed up to the class in the first place), and I was new to digital drawing (I didn’t have a tablet back then), so I wasn’t doing a good job at it, and he’d chew me out for “making (his) lessons not go smoothly”. Just to be clear, I wasn’t being paid for it.
He also made me translate documents and such for other things, and I helped out, but over time, I came to the realization that he was just using me. He even tried to make me get a job as a tutor at the place where he held his classes, and tried to take my pay, but since I wanted to focus on my studies, I declined, which he wasn’t too pleased about.
I later confronted him, and when I told him that I’m not his servant, he snapped back at me, saying that he wasn’t being paid to teach us at all. Ultimately, I just dipped from that group and went no contact.
Peter Bear 3 months ago
'Weeaboo'? Really? In this year of our lord 2025 you want to dust off a 30 year old blatantly racist insult? Grow the f**k up.
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#27
I loooOOOOOooved Michael Jordan as a kid , he was marketed as this almost superhero .
Michael Jordan as an adult? Ugh what a disappointment. By all accounts hes a miserable SOB.
NoRestfortheQWERTY 3 months ago
Greatness comes with a price. Sometimes it's being petty and hyper-focused. What other people see as greatness might just be score-settling or the plain old desire to beat somebody at something, right now. So much so that you're the only person on the planet who cares about Joe Dumars who isn't named "Mrs. Dumars."
#28
I defended Sia's movie on Instagram before it came out, assuming that surely it wouldn't be that bad, until denial faded, I saw the movie, and now I look back and cringe.
Marnie 3 months ago
I guess she's a singer, but I've never heard her music. But what I do know is that she wrote and produced a movie. It was a musical about an autistic girl. It was quite harmful (for example, showing how the proper way to deal with an autistic kid is to put them in physical restraints).
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#29
Had a huge crush on James Franco. He was kind of my first celebrity crush. Well, he turned out to be yet another creep. Absolutely loathe that my younger self was all full of butterflies watching him in Spider Man.
Thanos'Fingers 3 months ago (edited)
33 meme jokes. 33 replies from axle f being a Deborah downer. And then he crushes on Spiderman.
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#30
Way back in the early era of Youtube when all the classic big names like Markiplier and Pewdiepie were just getting their start, there was another big Lets Player who went by Cryaotic and would often hang out with them and do videos together. Cry's style of Lets Play was a lot more chill and relaxed and he had a cute voice and funny sense of humor, so I actually liked his videos the most out of the three. His upload schedule slowed down after a while and he didn't seem to transition into the streamer era as well as other creators did.
Then in 2019 he admitted to grooming several teenage girls behind his fiance's back.
EmbersAreOut 3 months ago
Oh lord this brought back memories. So many YouTubers have been accused of gr00ming/ped0 and it honestly hurts when someone you watched as a kid turned out to be awful
PeepPeep the duck 3 months ago (edited)
I’m sorry I had to giggle when I read - early era of YouTube; pewdie pie 😂 no one was watching him in 2005-6, that’s so cute though.
#31
Never exactly idolized him but my dad. As a kid I knew he had “quirks” but I still thought he was a regular, okay dad like everyone else. Took my adolescence and 20s to realize he’s just not a good person.
He was never a good husband and father per se, but he really checked out on life when his mom passed away (when I was around 17). I’m 26 now, and I’m nearing the stage of cutting contact with him and calling it.
Divorced my mom last year and is already engaged to this woman who he was clearly seeing while he was still married. There’s no blatant horrible thing. Just a…bad person. He’s very selfish and a terrible communicator. He gave me anxiety as a kid and I’m now seeing all the turmoil he put my mom thru.
It’s just not worth it to pretend to have a relationship with him now. Figuring it out each day, but we’ll see ¯_(ツ)_/¯.
RomanceRadish 3 months ago
While many people grow up to emulate their parents (consciously or not), it's not inevitable. With self awareness and intentional choices, we can change for the next generation.
Kerry Borthwick 3 months ago
Axle f seems to think u grow up to be like Ur dad but my partners dad is evil never saw him for 22 years then proceeds to try to destroy partners life and has since claimed partner and our kids are dead yet my partner is the kindest person ever and would do anything to make kids happy
Chrystina Sumpter 3 months ago
Our Dad was the absolute best! Unconditionally loving and supportive throughout my life. Always told us that he owed us everything and we owed him nothing because he chose to bring us into the world and he backed his words with action. My paternal grandfather on the other hand was a not so great person, although he was extremely charming. I often wondered how my Dad learned to be such a wonderful parent because it wasn’t by example.
Load More Replies... Brandi VanSteenwyk 3 months ago
It took MANY years and her death for me to realize that my mother was a toxic person who really damaged my psyche so much that I still struggle with self-esteem and the like. But... I realized that I did learn ONE BIG THING from her: How NOT to raise my children. How NOT to treat them. How NOT to ignore even small accomplishments and only focus on the negatives. Really Mom, THANK YOU for being such a B**CH!!
Crystal Campbell 1 day ago
It’s hard. I’m sure there is a lot more that you don’t know about because your mum was protecting you. I. Hope you have been freed a little by the knowledge he was never worth the anxiety
#32
Don’t know if I’d go so far as to say I “idolized” the guy, but I used to be a **HUGE** Conor McGregor fan. His star was rising at the same time that I was getting really into MMA, and my first experience sports betting was when he knocked out Jose Aldo. His fight style was massively entertaining, and his trash talk even more so.
Then he really revealed who he was. Yikes.
Bored Sailor 3 months ago
"and his trash talk even more so." His trash talk showed who he was from the beginning, at one point people enjoyed his relentless unapologetic attitude. He always was a bigot. People just finally were admitting out loud who he was.
Mike F 3 months ago
I have searched for the best description of that individual for YEARS and you seem to have hit it on the head.
Load More Replies... Brandi VanSteenwyk 3 months ago
Petty I know but... I have always seen him as a warning symbol for cauliflower ear.
Overstimulated Cat 2 months ago
Yes a convicted räpîst, who appealed the guilty verdict, re-traumatising his victim and losing the appeal anyway as there was so much evidence to prove his guilt. I feel sorry for his children
Overstimulated Cat 2 months ago
https://archive.li/ZQ6Fy An article for reference, much more information is available on news websites online
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My husband left me nearly 5 weeks ago after 15 years. No warning, except he'd made especially close friends with my son's best friend's mother - who separated from her second husband at the beginning of the year.
They're now dating.
Thanos'Fingers 3 months ago
I can't tell if this axle f loser is a geriatric 89 slipping into the throes of dementia, or an edgy tween who got ahold of Mom's Samsung tablet password trying to stir the pot.
#34
My former executive chef. Dude was an amazing mentor and Chef, but twice now he has burned me at different restaurants, abandoning the project and leaving me to deal with it.
#35
My parents. It’s hard to call them “pieces of trash,” but the older I got, the more I really saw how awful they could be. How bad they messed up my brother and me. Thankfully my mom has changed a lot. She still randomly apologizes lol. My dad.. less so.
I remember stumbling on an old journal entry from when I was a teenager, idolizing my mom and wishing I could be like her. I cringed reading it lolol. Thank god that didn’t happen!
Brandi VanSteenwyk 3 months ago
I suppose the comment I added a couple posts up would better sit here... It took MANY years and her death for me to realize that my mother was a toxic person who really damaged my psyche so much that I still struggle with self-esteem and the like. But... I realized that I did learn ONE BIG THING from her: How NOT to raise my children. How NOT to treat them. How NOT to ignore even small accomplishments and only focus on the negatives. Really Mom, THANK YOU for being such a B**CH!!
#36
Chris Benoit.
Small guy in a big man's world who pushed himself constantly to try and make it. I felt the same was always the smallest dude out all the people around me and it always felt like they were ahead of me, he perseverance was something I wanted to copy. Those last moments of his life as well learning he was actually quite aggressive towards his wife make it impossible to look at him the same.
Mike F 3 months ago
The roids possibly turned him into that. His friends mentioned his spiral as he got further into the roids.
Poppy 3 months ago
He was found to have had pretty serious CTE which can cause severe personality changes and aggression. The continous concussions are likely the cause.
Load More Replies... Hippopotamuses 3 months ago
In fairness. There was little understanding of concussive brain injuries at the time. I'm not excusing him, but there may have been other factors at play here.
Drop Bear from Hell 3 months ago
someone taking their own life is tragic but taking the life of your wife and young son is abhorrent.
Thanos'Fingers 3 months ago
Axle knows where the door is, but he is first aiming to make this list asap.
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#37
I used to think Harry Potter was the height of fiction, the pinnacle but… I grew up. Now I see its flaws and what’s worse is the woman who wrote it has shown herself to be the enemy of all that I love.
Gebidozo 3 months ago
Oh, for the love of everything that is holy, not those JK Rowling haters again! “Enemy of all that I love”, are you f*****g serious? The woman voiced an opinion, controversial perhaps, yet in no way disparaging, actually reflecting legitimate concerns of many women, only to be threatened in a veritable witch hunt by a rabid mob that never actually bothered to hear or understand what she said.
Ace 3 months ago
She's done a lot more than "voice an opinion", actively supporting anti-trans movements who are wanting to deny trans people any sort of rights.
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Ace 3 months ago (edited)
Putting her views to one side for a minute, because they don't make any difference to whether the books were any good or not... I read the first few books in French, which is my second language, I'm fairly fluent, although less so 25-odd years ago when they were first published. I quite liked them, but then I lost one and had to replace it with a UK version on a trip over there... and realised just how child-like and simplistic they were. My French reading level was, I guess, more akin to that of a young teenager, so I just did not realise until I read them in English.
highwaycrossingfrog 3 months ago
I always liked that they read at the level the children in the books are - so the first is fairly simplistic, and the language evolves in each subsequent book
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Janet L 3 months ago
It’s pointless trying to discuss this issue, which has wide ranging implications for all women; anyone not in full agreement with the views of the transgender lobby is immediately shut down, insulted, ridiculed and called a “hater”. No debate is possible, to the complete detriment of the transgender community; you can thank all the virtue signallers for that.
Nikki Sevven 2 months ago
I've been attacked for simply asking questions about the issue. How can I learn if I'm attacked for asking questions? Refusing to answer makes you look like a cult expecting everyone to simply believe without evidence. I do not discriminate against anyone, period. But I would like to understand.
Load More Replies... Chrystina Sumpter 3 months ago
I loved Harry Potter. Then J. K. Rowling started spewing hate. It breaks my heart.
Gavin Johnson 3 months ago
I don’t agree with her stance or methods. And that’s where I leave it, it’s impossible to debate it with her or her supporters’ cause there are so many of them it just turns into a shouting match. As for the HP series they are nowhere near as good as they could be, whilst the world she created is impressive and clearly the characters chime with many folks, the actual standard of the writing is pretty average. They are not classics that will stand the test of time. Popular? Very. Good? Nah, not really.
UKGrandad 2 months ago (edited)
I don't know if you're aware of this or not but 'No Debate' is the official line of trans activism. They say 'our existence is not up for Debate' but they know full well that not only is nobody trying to debate their existence, nobody is actually denying their existence or their right to exist. It's their demands to take the established rights of others for themselves that needs debating but they are not prepared to have that talk because by necessity it centres on their claim that they are women. They know that there is no evidence to back up that claim so instead they frame denial of it as denial of their existence. As I've said countless times, disagreeing with the beliefs of trans people is not denying that those trans people exist in the same way that denying the theology of Christianity is not denying that Christians exist. The issue isn't whether they exist because they clearly do; the issue is whether what they claim is true. They know it isn't and 'No Debate' is how they avoid having to face up to that.
Load More Replies... Brandi VanSteenwyk 3 months ago
Ahhhh... the innocence of youth that allows us to view entertainment for entertainment's sake without the tainted criticism and idiosyncrasies that we do as adults.
Caffeinated Ape 3 months ago
It's not just a matter of disagreement though. When someone's views cause real harm to people, they cease to be merely a "difference of opinion." One can respect another's right to choose to believe what they believe, but that doesn't mean the beliefs themselves deserve the same respect without any scrutiny or debate. There are people for whom this isn't academic. Their lives are made harder by this woman's "different views" and the fact that she has the money to throw at these issues and the public reach to spread them far and wide.
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liam newton-harding 3 months ago
And people are entitled to their opinion of her...and are allowed to state them publicly...just like she publicly states her ignorant, hateful, stupid "opinion". Just saying, "well, that's my opinion" does NOT get you a free pass from stating absolute rubbish.
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#38
Ben Kissel from the Last Podcast on the Left.
Everyone knew he was an alcoholic but no one knew that he got physical with women while drunk.
I still keep up with some of his stuff but the dude has major issues that he needs to work through.
Nobody Special 3 months ago
Got physical with women. Is that the politically correct term for he's an abus*ve drunk?
#39
Not as prominent of those here, but Michael Phelps.
I was a competitive swimmer growing up through high school. Was lucky enough to be doing this in Michigan around the time of Phelps' then-historic gold medal wins in the Olympics. There was a special swim camp program hosted but University of Michigan that REALLY drilled you hard and taught advanced techniques. The US Olympic swimmers trained in the same facilities when we weren't using them. There was a point where you got to meet the Olympians too, and I'll never forget that Phelps' wouldn't smile when with these young teenagers who adored him.
Immediate loss of respect. Play the part, you are literally inspiring a generation of athletes behind you - be the role model they need you to be.
(The Vanderkay brothers though - now THEY were freaking cool. We were doing breathing and muscle relaxation/meditation training on the large patio outside the pool room. The Vanderkays came out shortly after we began and snuck around us to another sunny spot and began planking. Our exercise was 30 minutes long. We left - they were still planking, and just smiling and lightly chattering to each other. Huge respect).
#40
John Fetterman, when he was campaigning I was all in and voted for him. After he got elected, he switched to a hardcore republican and didn’t so anything he said he would do. I guess he had a stroke which may of caused the sudden switch, but it doesn’t excuse the fact that he’s nothing to me now.
David 3 months ago
lol, what crack is this person smoking? "Hardcore Republican"? Fetterman votes party line 92% of the time, that is 92% of the time, votes Democrat party line. He votes with the Republicans against the Democrats 2%, and the rest are with split votes. Just because he won't demonize Republicans, is willing to work across the isle, (when Trump won he was the first Democrat to meet with Trump, which is a good thing, bc politics is about working across the isle, not team politics), etc. He is a very much mainstream Democrat he just is rational and puts his personal politics aside to try and do the best he can for his state which is his job, he put the people of PA before partisan politics and I admire him for it. We need more people like Fetterman on both sides.
Nikki Sevven 2 months ago
This is right wing propaganda, plain and simple. Fetterman is exactly the kind of Democrat that can win in a swing state. His campaign should have been a clue that he's a moderate.
Anke Dieken 2 months ago
I'm sorry, I don't even know this man but my first thought upon seeing his picture was "this is a Ferengi"
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Alex Martin 3 months ago
People who shape our world are not Gods. They can be weak, fallible, intolerable, and sometimes outright monsters. I've trained myself to separate the actor from role, the musician from the music, and the invention from the inventor. I'll enjoy the thing that was created because it's not the fault of the painting, or the performance, or the discovery that the vessel chosen to deliver the achievement is broken. Harry Potter is an example. JK Rowling of 25 years ago was a successful author who wrote a series of books that inspired a generation. They were made into tremendous movies that introduced us to so many great performances and art. Who she is now shouldn't be allowed to dim the achievement from more than a quarter century ago. I don't have to like 2025 JK Rowling nor support her causes but I'm not going to let her take away my joy of the series that I enjoyed as a young adult.
Smeghead Tribble Down Under 3 months ago
Not a fan, but I used to highly respect Bob Geldof for all his charity stuff. A few years ago he was in Australia. They gave him a medal, something important like the Order Of Australia medal (or something like that; I can't be bothered looking it up) He acted like he'd been handed a paper cup someone had pis.sed in and proceeded to bash Australians for ''not donating enough''. JFC mate! We're a very generous bunch, actually. Respect for him immediately evaporated like water into sand.
Sam Trudeau 3 months ago
I used to feel that Ray Bradbury was a neat guy, with a particular book he wrote earning a nickname from me: "The 50s Simpsons" because of how much it "predicted". Then I read more about him, turns out he was also anti-LGBTQ+ and anti-political correctness in general, and lost a lot of respect for him.
(((Sherlocat))) she/her 2 months ago
@Sam Trudeau -- Whaaaaat?? OMG, I had NO IDEA. I grew up on old school Sci-Fi, and Bradbury was one of my favourite authors! Do you have any links about this? I couldn't find anything on Wikipedia.
Load More Replies... Lee Gilliland 3 months ago (edited)
I have been lucky enough to know a good number of very creative people. The vast majority are wonderful, decent people but there are always duds in the system. This occurs no matter what these people do. You probably have about the same number of duds in your personal universe as well.
b s 3 months ago
Mine was Pete Townsend. Loved The Who in high school. Then he got arrested for child stuff on his computer. You hear his interviews and he's a self important D ick. The rest of the band was great though. Still won't listen.
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Load More Replies... Brian Droste 3 months ago
Most of these people I never heard of or what these people did except what is posted here. I could go down bunch of rabbit holes to find out but I don't want to.
Alex Martin 3 months ago
People who shape our world are not Gods. They can be weak, fallible, intolerable, and sometimes outright monsters. I've trained myself to separate the actor from role, the musician from the music, and the invention from the inventor. I'll enjoy the thing that was created because it's not the fault of the painting, or the performance, or the discovery that the vessel chosen to deliver the achievement is broken. Harry Potter is an example. JK Rowling of 25 years ago was a successful author who wrote a series of books that inspired a generation. They were made into tremendous movies that introduced us to so many great performances and art. Who she is now shouldn't be allowed to dim the achievement from more than a quarter century ago. I don't have to like 2025 JK Rowling nor support her causes but I'm not going to let her take away my joy of the series that I enjoyed as a young adult.
Smeghead Tribble Down Under 3 months ago
Not a fan, but I used to highly respect Bob Geldof for all his charity stuff. A few years ago he was in Australia. They gave him a medal, something important like the Order Of Australia medal (or something like that; I can't be bothered looking it up) He acted like he'd been handed a paper cup someone had pis.sed in and proceeded to bash Australians for ''not donating enough''. JFC mate! We're a very generous bunch, actually. Respect for him immediately evaporated like water into sand.
Sam Trudeau 3 months ago
I used to feel that Ray Bradbury was a neat guy, with a particular book he wrote earning a nickname from me: "The 50s Simpsons" because of how much it "predicted". Then I read more about him, turns out he was also anti-LGBTQ+ and anti-political correctness in general, and lost a lot of respect for him.
(((Sherlocat))) she/her 2 months ago
@Sam Trudeau -- Whaaaaat?? OMG, I had NO IDEA. I grew up on old school Sci-Fi, and Bradbury was one of my favourite authors! Do you have any links about this? I couldn't find anything on Wikipedia.
Load More Replies... Lee Gilliland 3 months ago (edited)
I have been lucky enough to know a good number of very creative people. The vast majority are wonderful, decent people but there are always duds in the system. This occurs no matter what these people do. You probably have about the same number of duds in your personal universe as well.
b s 3 months ago
Mine was Pete Townsend. Loved The Who in high school. Then he got arrested for child stuff on his computer. You hear his interviews and he's a self important D ick. The rest of the band was great though. Still won't listen.
(((Sherlocat))) she/her 2 months ago
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Load More Replies... Brian Droste 3 months ago
Most of these people I never heard of or what these people did except what is posted here. I could go down bunch of rabbit holes to find out but I don't want to.
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