30 Times People Were Shocked At How Bad New York Apartments Are And Posted These Pics As Proof
When you think of New York City, what comes to your mind? The outsiders usually say that it’s full of diversity, innovation, and culture. But anyone who's ever lived in NYC knows life there isn't as glamorous as it looks. After all, when you have 8M people staying in one place, things are bound to get chaotic.
The rental property market in the City is quite intense — the average price for a studio apartment there is $2,830. This is a 32 percent increase compared to last year. While some flats tend to be in perfect shape, others come with frustrating design flaws, missing bathrooms, or showers in the kitchen.
New Yorkers who experienced the "pleasure" of seeing such mishaps decided to snap a photo and share it with the internet. So get ready to appreciate your current living situation and take a look at some absurd and unexpected things people came across while apartment hunting. Continue scrolling, upvote the ones that baffled you the most, and make sure to share your thoughts in the comments below!
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Only Thin Man could actually use that mini-stove and forget the opening the oven door all the way.
Unless the fridge is on wheels, you’d be eating a lot of takeout and using the microwave, if there is one. They should’ve gotten a stove that fit between the fridge and wall when turned to face out into the kitchen. Probably a really narrow two burner stove (if they exist).
Load More Replies...To learn more about the housing market in NYC, we managed to get in touch with Kirsten Jordan, real estate advisor with Douglas Elliman and founder of the Kirsten Jordan Team. She told Bored Panda that the situation could be described in two words: high demand. "Apartments are selling and renting faster than ever before because there aren’t enough of them and because everyone wants to be back in New York," she said.
We also reached out to Adrian Savino, director of leasing at Living New York, who pointed out that "inventory is lower than it has been in past years as COVID-19 rents and deals were picked off by renters. Supply chains/labor markets were disrupted so delivery of the new product was delayed. Because of that, prices are being driven up."
Due to the rising rent, people often have to opt for low-quality apartments. "Most renters are confined by certain parameters, whether it's compromising on space for price and location or quality of building and amenities," Savino explained that most individuals have to make a sacrifice in some way.
66 Sq Ft Apartment In NYC
Anyone remember Ross' appartement hunt, where he views the tiniest of studio flats with a bathtub next to the kitchenette? Naive me thought it was a joke...
Then turns around and actually gets one of the nicest apartments you'd ever see in NY, it was so unrealistic to imply he could afford it. Paleontologist or not.
Load More Replies...Here in the US, it varies by city. In mine, a single-room apartment can't be less than 150 sq ft. If it's a multi-room apartment, a landlord isn't allowed to count a space as a habitable room if it is less than 7 ft in any dimension. So even if that space was a single room in a larger apartment, it couldn't be counted as a bedroom here.
Load More Replies...a cube :D big sympathy for thoses stuck there during covid ... O(≧口≦)o
Someone turned closet into apartment? And how much you're supposed to pay for it?
These landlords really do try to shove as many tenants on top of one another as they possibly can. Can you imagine if a fire broke out?!
Seems like landlords are just shoving all 'necessities' in the apartment
Closet. This is a frigging closet with a window. Ugh.
Load More Replies...For some reason, I would prefer the fridge on the floor and sleep on the top bed.
One option I know of, if you're female, is the Webster Apartments- in or near Chelsea. I think they're $1200+ a month & that includes two full meals a day, fully furnished units & all utilities. You must share a bathroom, pay like $200 a month to rent an a/c unit, but its a clean & safe place.
I'd gladly trade the two meals for my own bathroom!!
Load More Replies...13m²? for that price you get flats 3 to 5 times that size in germany... wow
Looks like something out of Candid Camera. You'd expect Alan Funt to poke his head through the mini-fridge door yelling "SMILE!!"
"The popularity of the City and high demand for housing, coupled with the fact that Manhattan is an island and has a limited amount of inventory, leads to a higher price per square foot than many other cities," Brian P. Hourigan, managing director at Bond New York, told us. "Even during the last few years, when COVID-19 initially caused many to leave the City for more affordable and less populated places, a surge of returning and new New Yorkers has caused the market to [become] as strong as what it was pre-pandemic."
New York is notorious for its tiny flats. "Your average city apartment is obviously going to be smaller than your average single-family home," Jordan said. "That’s just the nature of city-living anywhere in the world. You trade square-footage for the ease and excitement of living in the center of everything – with the best restaurants, shopping, museums, parks, theaters, and entertainment all right outside your front door."
You have no benefit of having a window but all the temperature issues associated with it.
OMG. I always thought the window facing a brick wall was only in comedy!
Nope! Many times these windows are airshafts. They're meant to provide a source of nice fresh clean air to apartments with no windows. 😏
Load More Replies...They put windows in neighbor-facing walls knowing that someday the older building next-door will be removed. For the moment though you can use the well for storage.
Building code requires that a bedroom has a window. Does not stipulate that there must be open space on the other side of it.
You can see it in the first picture. There's a WC off the bedroom.
Load More Replies...Can’t afford cable?! Invite people over to shower and watch them instead. It’s not even weird- it’s NYC baby!
Start charging money and you've got yourself a business!
Load More Replies...I've heard of kitchens in living rooms, living rooms in bedrooms and bedrooms in kitchens - BUT NEVER SHOWER STALLS IN THE LIVING ROOM!! OY!! 🤯🤯🤯🤯
Technically NYC isn't the one charging that, the landlord is. If NYC were doing it, there would be a park on the roof and door to door vaccinations! Or am I just imagining NYC as a great place because I visited once and only did the fun parts?
An average NYC apartment has 733 square feet compared to the national average of 882 square feet, Savino added. However, while many people believe that The Big Apple has far smaller apartments than in the rest of the US, Seattle rentals (with an average size of 711 square feet) offer less space than a regular Manhattan unit.
No, it's not. It's actually very smart. You can prepare your breakfast and take a shower simultaneously and the morning routine convenience here cannot be overstated.
I love the idea of reaching out of the shower for a sip of coffee!
Load More Replies...We have that in some old buildings in Germany. Especially apartments that were converted at some point from outhouse to indoor plumbing. If there was no room for the shower, sometimes the shower was built into the kitchen. Or the pantry in the kitchen was converted to a shower. Or there was a pull-out bathtub under the kitchen sink. But it's really, really rare these days.
This apartment was featured in the 1st episode of the 2nd season of How To With John Wilson!
Just install a garbage disposal in the shower like Kramer...easy peasy
I mean NYC has a history of this though, it was pretty common place to have a tub in the kitchen, its a throw back to the Tenement Buildings of the 19th Century, where you had a hidden bath tub in the kitchen of every home....no idea why they decided to keep that aesthetic though...unless its because all the pipes were already there loL!
For $800, You Too Can Relax In Spacious Luxury
I believe that's what a property agent would call a 'pied-à-terre'.
It’s filthy. You’d think, if they’re trying to p**n off a place so f*****g tiny, they’d try to make it look attractive, as well as livable and self-contained. Like tiny house livable and self-contained, only smaller.
Does the sign outside say Fornicate? Because that's all you can do in the room
All I see are once spacious and beautiful homes carved up for maximum profit. Servants lived better than this for most of history.
Hourigan added that the limited amount of living space in the City makes the apartments more efficiently designed. "Open kitchens become part of the main living space, bathrooms sometimes have showers instead of bathtubs, and rooms like walk-in closets and formal dining rooms are less prevalent," he said.
"However, a commonality among many New Yorkers is that they love to live the majority of their lives out in the City itself." They go shopping, try out new restaurants, head downtown for the nightlife: "People don't generally move to New York City to stay at home, so the best way to think about your apartment is that it's your bedroom, and your living room is the rest of the City, which is right outside your door!"
If this room ($900) looks more like a closet, that’s because it is!
I used to rent a room like this for about a year in Chicago, smaller though, but for $250. And yes, it was a transformed closet.
Those things are only 21.5 feet and cost 2,400 HK "dollars" (I can't remember the name of their currency) and that's about $307 in US dollars. It's so freakin packed in those cities in China!
Load More Replies...Reminds me of those boxes in which the poorest people used to live in the big cities in China.
A landlord tried to pull that one off in London, Ontario by putting students in big closets. The city shut him down because EVERY rented place MUST have a window, according to the fire department.
Yet, many who just moved into NYC or are on the hunt for a new place to live often feel intimidated and discouraged by the process of finding a new place. Hourigan said that if you want to be prepared to rent in the City, you need to do your homework ahead of time. "Set a realistic budget for yourself, then explore what each neighborhood has to offer for that budget before seeking out the assistance of a real estate professional."
He continued: "Landlords and management companies often have multiple applications for their best units, so you want your application to be the most attractive to ensure you'll be the applicant who's ultimately approved to lease the apartment."
Goodbye are the good old days when you sat on the loo reading a newspaper for hours. Now you are too busy doing the washing and cooking your breakfast and washing you feet in the bath whilst you are attending to a call of nature. Even men are learning to multitask.
i DO love the tub, tho...those actually cover you in water...not like the modern sitz bath height
WTF is up with all these bathroom/kitchen combos?! I really hope the toilet isn't also in there, it's bad enough getting fecal germs all over the bathroom, I can't imagine it happening in the room where I prepare my meals 🤢
It's something to do with plumbing being installed after the fact in pre-war tenements in Manhattan. It's also strangely not that uncommon; I've seen two places that had kitchen showers, one of which my friend lived in. It was about the size of a large telephone booth and was "all shower", i.e. no space to stand inside the door that wasn't in the shower basin. Super weird.
Load More Replies...Who can afford that rent?! Like are bills included? How can people afford food ontop of that?
Well you could have a bath and wash the dishes and do the laundry at the same time!
How do they get away with it? In NZ it's against the law to have a toilet off a kitchen for hygiene reasons, , and you definitely would not get Council consent for a shower or bath in a kitchen! Even a one room apartment has to have a separate bathroom here.
This was literally a huge bathroom in a huge house, and they chopped up the building, stuck a fridge in and rented it out.
I’m sure there’s nothing scary or alive in that dark hole… go ahead… turn the light on, it’ll probably be fine.
No, I'll just use a pencil or something to flip the switch, thanks.
Load More Replies...That's what the handle of your hairbrush is for. Oh yeah, keep a box of spares just in case.
Adrian Savino noted that people should come prepared with paperwork and do their diligence digitally before visiting in person. "This will help you be decisive when you find something of interest and convert on the unit you end up choosing," he said. "Demand is high for low supply."
When asked about predictions for the future, Brian P. Hourigan thinks that the rental market will continue to be strong. "Folks who are new to the City might consider exploring more affordable areas like Upper Manhattan or further East in Queens or Brooklyn, where there's often more space and value for their budget," he suggested.
$600: Includes A 'Roommate Who Has To Walk Through Your Room To Get To Theirs'
Like the end of the hallway or something.
Load More Replies...Also illegal. Code states that if someone needs to go through your bedroom to get to their then the space cannot be marketed or used as a bedroom. Mind you, if you can find anything for $600 in this town then you might be prepared to put up with it.
I have to say, seeing these make me very happy with my little studio that I only pay $1100 for and it includes electricity. That's also why when I decided to move, I went with FL over NY
We have these kind of apartments in Romania (communist ones), where you have to go through a room to get to the other. But that room was thought as the dining room and the other room to be a bedroom and the apartment to be for a family. Not a damn actual hall transformed into a room to make more money.
Overpay In Style For This $800 'Artist Loft' Complete With Exposed Plumbing
As someone who has been apartment hunting in New York, I don’t mind this?? For $800?
Well, it could be cleaned and repainted, so if you’re handy, and the landlord OKs it, this could be made at least halfway decent. And it IS only $800/month.
Load More Replies...Not that bad at least it is spacious. Some new paint you're golden. And it's cheap
The more I see of these, the more I realize how implausible Friends and Sex In The City are.
Well, at least they tried to make everything compact. Kind of looks like a dorm room, if dorm rooms had kitchenettes and their own bathrooms.
People snarl about California and how expensive it is, but eighteen years ago I moved from a downtown studio in SF at $365 a month to a one-room in a wonderful spot in a city near the airport that's currently $1900. This post (hell, the whole thread) makes me feel like I won the lottery.
The public transit system in NYC is convenient and efficient. Hourigan believes it’s not as important to live in the same neighborhood where you work or want to spend recreational time. "Being open to a short commute to your destination on the subway or a bus can save money on your home, provide more space, and offer a better overall quality of life," he told us.
Bask In Bohemian Basement Glory For Just $1600
That that’s one of the best looking ones so far is the sad part.
Load More Replies...You could rent two houses around here for that kind of money. But people don't have a choice but to move away for their jobs. Completely nuts.
Well, at least this shows me that if I'm ever offered a job in NYC, I won't take it unless I make enough money to rent a DECENT apartment, + bills and food of course.
Come move to Oregon our apartments are cheap and they their own toilet each
I can deal with a lot here, but one toilet shared by the entire complex? Even dorms have more than one toilet. WTF?
Wow, I have a two-story three bedroom house with a private driveway and garage ...a fully finished basement that includes a full bathroom with shower for $1,200 a month in Philly.
Oh no no no! That's where I draw the line. My own toilet is non-negotiable.
This Beautiful View From My NYC Apartment
Remember the “‘Morning’s hereee, the morning’s here.. Sunshine is here..” scene from Friends?
Yes! Some mornings I feel like Rachel did about it, and other mornings I feel like Joey did. Anyway, I wonder if these buildings used to be tenements and these are the air shafts between (which I’m sure residents threw garbage in, so that air wasn’t all that great), or is this just a symptom of tall buildings close together? Because if they were designed to be next to other tall buildings, you’d think they wouldn’t put in windows overlooking these narrow openings between them, even if just to muffle noise from other apartments just a couple feet away.
Load More Replies...Needs a few washing lines on pulleys to recreate the "Godfather 2" ambience
I used to have a view exactly like this one at 308 E 78th Street which is now gone and a huge ugly highrise put in it's place. If I stood on my head I could see the sky!!!
This makes me sad. I look out over the soft, tree-covered hills of my small city. The evergreens are thick even now in Feb. I couldn't function in NY at all.
In the immortal words of Australia's Kath and Kim, ... ' Yeah, Noyce"!
"Some people said New York was dead. And those people were dead wrong," Kirsten Jordan added. Employees are returning to their offices, students are coming back to the campuses, and venues are going strong with many different events and shows. So if you’re one of those people who's looking for a rental in NYC right now, Jordan suggested to be "flexible about your must-haves and if you find a place you love, don’t hesitate because someone else will take it."
$950 A Month Apartment In NYC (Harlem). No Stovetop Or Private Bathroom
You could offset the rent by hosting an open mic night in front of that wall.
Load More Replies...That's...actually not too bad - both even open up all the way and at the same time, even.
That's what happens to you, every place you see is so shitty that you finally look at something like this (still terrible) and go...hmmm that's not so bad.
Load More Replies...Nothing wrong with that. Who simultaneously loads the dishwasher and oven?
They both open fully, close, work and you have space to stand? That my friend is a win!
All front doors to apartments in NYC are "fire doors" in so far as they're made of steel rather than wood. It's to prevent fire from spreading.
Load More Replies...That actually is efficient and cute... I wouldn't survive a week living with it, but it is adorable to look at!
People who think "tiny" and "unfortunate-looking" means "cute" clearly don't know the meaning, or else they apply the same to Nigerian orphans.
Looks like they took large apartments and split them into smaller ones then added random stuff that couldn't fit in the actual rooms it was to go to.
Ok but I love how all of these are in Manhattan like bruh yeah it's Manhattan. I paid $100/night at a Best Western in Long Island City (Queens) and the room was bigger than most of these apartments and it had free breakfast, and free coffee and tea 24 hours a day.
At $100/night, or about $3000/month, you were living better than these folks and for about the same price—-actually less, because all the utilities would be included in the price. If your room was an efficiency, you even had a kitchenette. Plus the front desk to screen your calls and anybody who came in and asked for you, 24/7/365. Not a bad deal.
Load More Replies...Not that hard to explain right? Both areas need hot water access, so having them close is easier on installation. Also, it really is a mindset from living in a larger home. You don't cook and shower all at once anyway.
Load More Replies...In Germany there are many buildings from the pre-ww2 era that have a shower in the kitchen, it was common to have just one pipe for the sewage water in the house that ran from top to bottom and they just made a extra junction for the toilets.
For $475 This 'Semi-Private Living Room Space' Could Become Your Semi-Dream Apartment
I know this is a lie! You can't even get an outdoor heater grate for $475 in Manhattan
Aye just make a pillow fort in your garage and you've got 6 semi-private studios you can rent out to desperate kids trying to get through art school
When I was living in NY, apt shopping, one place I looked at was 3 mattresses on the floor. There was a living room area separated by a sheet like this.
Were there people on the mattresses just chilling like come on in, the floor is great, one bed just opened up and don't worry we changed the sheets, like patting the empty one between them, cause that's what's happening in my head
Load More Replies...Is it about the door stopper or uneven floor? Both are not as bad as many instances above.
Lefferts Gardens, Brooklyn. Two bunks$500 and $600 per month. Electricity included.
I mean, they looking at a $500 a month rental in NYC ...
Load More Replies...Come on, you know everyone always wants the top bunk! It's gotta be the more expensive one! 🤣
Load More Replies...$700 Gets You This 7x5 Slice Of Heaven
Or you can just shoot someone and get an 8.5 X 14 foot prison cell for free.
I get why there's so much crime in NYC. If I lived like that I'd become violent.
Load More Replies...Including meals, exercise yard, free medical and dental, in Australia and much more....
Man lives in ‘smallest apartment in NYC’ - here’s what it’s like inside
Actually, we've just seen smaller on this thread. "Roommate has to walk through your apartment to get to theirs" tops this by a looong shot.
All the smaller rooms in the thread look like closets or storage spaces that people are renting as apartments, not actual living spaces. This one has running water and amenities.
Load More Replies...I'm sorry, I can't get over the phone with the flashlight left on in the top photo!
Not the smallest...theres a guy living in the corridor and another one in a closet...
This isn't too bad.. it can fit a bed and a fridge, which is pretty decent.
you can see a tonne more of Axel's apartment on TikTok. and with 4.2 mil followers, who knows, he might be moving soon. 🤙 www.tiktok.com/@axelwebber
There is a major difference between a room for rent and an apartment for rent. A lot of these are rooms.
This is normal in Europe where we don't generally have basements or laundry rooms.
This is not the rule in Germany, but it is not uncommon in old buildings in Berlin, for example. The bathrooms date back to times without washing machines and sometimes there is simply no space.
Load More Replies...Seriously don't understand what the problem is here. It's normal to have the washer in the kitchen in Britain.
And at least it has a kitchen sink and space to move around/open the oven door
Load More Replies...A New York apartment with an actual usable kitchen, with full size appliances and laundry? If that’s in Manhattan that’s probably $5000 a month or more.
No one tell OP about the UK! *blocks view of washer/dryer right next to oven*.
If that’s your complaint then it seems you got it good compared to the other posts
Live In A Literal 'Bed Room' For $650
This is just pitiful-- a literal jail cell would be nicer than this piece of crap.
It's actually a rational layout compared to others in this thread. But $5000 a month? $60,000 a year?
Who are the people making enough money to live here, but also being satisfied living in a bedsit?
this one isn't too bad, it has its own bathroom and a balcony. it's a good size too
This $950 Gem Comes Complete With Wall-To-Wall Bedding
When I left home in 80s I moved into a room that was big enough for a single bed and a chest of drawers. We shared a bathroom and kitchen with 3 other people. If I remember rightly it was £40pw ($55). For the record I was quite a lot smaller then.
Sleep Atop Your Stuff For Just $740
For 740 this is not terrible. Hopefully there is a bathroom and kitchenette.
Not terrible?!!!! I'll take whatever you are on.
Load More Replies...It's the best use of a small space. That's what annoys me about people living in a small space with a large matress on the floor, that's so not useful in a small space.
All of these are so f****d. Corporate greed has gone way too far.
I've got friends that live in NYC, and sadly, most of these are accurate. This one, though, I call bullsh!t on. It's tile floor, only a urinal, and a mini size door - that's just a mini bathroom somewhere, not an apartment rental.
Same. I call BS. I lived in some tiiiiiiny apartments in NYC, but this is a public bathroom.
Load More Replies...It can only rented by men. But what happens if someone has to poop?
I remember watching the tour of this on YouTube, I'm sure it's different in person but on camera it was a bit confusing
If the stove was not between the walls the kitchen would look so much bigger.
This is pure greed on the part of the owners. They are subdividing appartments into smaller and smaller flats and charging a fortune. Hopefully working from home will mean young people don't NEED to be in the city in order to work there and these unscrupulous landlords will lose out.
You never needed to live in the city for work, commuting from a little further is an option. It's the societal standard and the live outside work that makes it such an attractive place to be. It's nice to have everything within arms length. And it's not greed as much as it is how economies work. And as long as people only use it for a quick shower and to sleep, it's clearly acceptable.
Load More Replies...Yeah, I live in NYC and have my whole life, most of these are BS. And besides most of these are people who are looking in prime neighborhoods in select parts of Manhattan and Brooklyn. You can find lots of affordable housing in safe good neighborhoods. This is how you can tell these people are not New Yorkers, but recent transplants who don't know anything and think this is what NYC housing is and fall for it. In my neighborhood (ranked in the 5 safest in NYC) you can get a 3BR 2bath 1200sq apt for 2400-2800 a month and a a 650sq foot 1br 1bath apt for 1500/month. 300sq studio for 1k/month. And there are cheaper areas that are safe. And its just 25 min by public transit from midtown. This is just housing for gullible transplants
Thanks for the insight! I was wishing all these had neighborhoods with the price.
Load More Replies...Lol... I still don't understand the appeal of New York unless you make atleast 6 figures a year. Why? I just don't get it? How is this worth it?
I had to stop halfway through because the photos make me feel very claustrophobic!
These would throw me into a spiral of depression from which I might never recover. I feel like I can't breathe just looking at them. In a free capitalist society, slum landlords can subdivide anything and charge anything that the market will tolerate. Another reason why I hate capitalism. I would prefer a system where there was a fixed minimum space that you could rent to someone to live in (like at least 350 sq feet (32m squared), and that rent is automatically reduced when repairs are needed, etc.
just move to Brooklyn or Jersey... When nobody rents from these jerks, they will get real... better yet, how good is your little job in Manhattan that you need to put up with this? People get enough of this and permanently move to the midwest or south doing the same work. Can't do that you say because it pays only half of what you can get? Well do the math, the cost of living is half also... and your kids can live in a suburban house with grass on four sides and go to safe schools... why are you being idiotic and then complaining about it when it is inconvenient? sheesh....
Belgium is catching up. I've seen many of those showers in kitchens in Brussels. Disgusting and should be illegal, and those prices are getting up there to, 1200, 1400, though it's in euros
This is pure greed on the part of the owners. They are subdividing appartments into smaller and smaller flats and charging a fortune. Hopefully working from home will mean young people don't NEED to be in the city in order to work there and these unscrupulous landlords will lose out.
You never needed to live in the city for work, commuting from a little further is an option. It's the societal standard and the live outside work that makes it such an attractive place to be. It's nice to have everything within arms length. And it's not greed as much as it is how economies work. And as long as people only use it for a quick shower and to sleep, it's clearly acceptable.
Load More Replies...Yeah, I live in NYC and have my whole life, most of these are BS. And besides most of these are people who are looking in prime neighborhoods in select parts of Manhattan and Brooklyn. You can find lots of affordable housing in safe good neighborhoods. This is how you can tell these people are not New Yorkers, but recent transplants who don't know anything and think this is what NYC housing is and fall for it. In my neighborhood (ranked in the 5 safest in NYC) you can get a 3BR 2bath 1200sq apt for 2400-2800 a month and a a 650sq foot 1br 1bath apt for 1500/month. 300sq studio for 1k/month. And there are cheaper areas that are safe. And its just 25 min by public transit from midtown. This is just housing for gullible transplants
Thanks for the insight! I was wishing all these had neighborhoods with the price.
Load More Replies...Lol... I still don't understand the appeal of New York unless you make atleast 6 figures a year. Why? I just don't get it? How is this worth it?
I had to stop halfway through because the photos make me feel very claustrophobic!
These would throw me into a spiral of depression from which I might never recover. I feel like I can't breathe just looking at them. In a free capitalist society, slum landlords can subdivide anything and charge anything that the market will tolerate. Another reason why I hate capitalism. I would prefer a system where there was a fixed minimum space that you could rent to someone to live in (like at least 350 sq feet (32m squared), and that rent is automatically reduced when repairs are needed, etc.
just move to Brooklyn or Jersey... When nobody rents from these jerks, they will get real... better yet, how good is your little job in Manhattan that you need to put up with this? People get enough of this and permanently move to the midwest or south doing the same work. Can't do that you say because it pays only half of what you can get? Well do the math, the cost of living is half also... and your kids can live in a suburban house with grass on four sides and go to safe schools... why are you being idiotic and then complaining about it when it is inconvenient? sheesh....
Belgium is catching up. I've seen many of those showers in kitchens in Brussels. Disgusting and should be illegal, and those prices are getting up there to, 1200, 1400, though it's in euros
