People Share What Careers Look Glamorous From The Outside But End Up Being A Nightmare (30 Pics)
To succeed in this competitive world, you gotta make smart choices early in your career. Or at least we are taught that from an early age. So no wonder that most of us have compared ourselves with others at some point in our lives.
According to a recent study, more than 75% of people reported feeling envious of someone in the last year. But what if some career paths don’t even deserve that painfully nagging feel?
To shed light on how we glamorize particular professions and demonize others, people are busting careers that are “actually a complete nightmare” in this r/AskReddit thread. Let’s read on and let us know whether you agree with them in the comments!
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Veterinarian.
Insanely competitive schooling that crippled you with debt, with a depressing debt:income ratio after graduation.
Most of your patients don’t like you, and most of the owners think you’re getting rich upselling them unnecessary services when their dogs’s exploding eyeball cancer can be cured with raw organic exotic meats/cbd/coconut oil, but you’re withholding that information because you’re in bed with Big Kibble.
High stress, stagnant wages, long hours, [poor] holiday leave. Rampant depression. Lost count of how many colleagues have committed suicide. Sometimes tempted to join them.
Hey,just wanna say thank you for taking care of the critters, good boys and girls and street cats of all kinds. I cant donwhat you do or know what you know. Without you to take care of our furry friends, our lives wouldnt be a lighter shade of darkness.
Same in uk. You do a vet job because of your love of animals. If not, find another career
Load More Replies...Here in Germany you pay a fee of under 50 Euros per semester. That's it. If you live at home with your parents, you only need to pay for the books. Students whose families cannot afford to pay for books, housing or whatever, get money from the government. Some of it must be paid back later, if you have a good income, but that's nowhere near what graduates in the U.S. are facing.
Our old cat developed diabetes and the vet insisted that several staggered blood tests be done before we discussed treatment. It turned out that our boy had unstable readings. The vet recommended a diet change and no insulin because if we gave it to him when he didn't need it he would die. He lived another 3.5 years. Now I entrust my new boy to this man. Please don't give up. We need more vets like him and you to care of our furbabies.
it's interesting what careere or jobs have a high suicide rate. dentists are also on the top of the list due to the debt and the fact that no one really likes going to the dentist because of their fears.
Unfortunately, veterinary professionals now outpace dentists and have the highest suicide rate of any profession.
Load More Replies...watch this video...it had me in tears for the vets that just want to help animals: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E70rvwg3OLE&t=12s
Load More Replies...I'm sorry to say this but the vet I took my dog to always charged a bomb. I finally decided to change. Took my dog to a different vet. Same treatment but lot cheaper. I still don't understand why did he charge such high fees.
Probably to pay for the aforementioned debt, to pay for overhead, and to have a salary...
Load More Replies...All the vet shows on TV show vets that are appreciated and seem happy.
Law Enforcement.
I went into it with the naive belief I would be making a difference. I wanted to protect people and make my community safer. Instead, I got to see the worst humanity has to offer day in and day out. Lets see if I can list all the negatives:
Most departments are filled with arrogant a-holes with inflated ego's that love to condescend to other officers or the public when they themselves can barley read.
Many officers have severe anger issues and love to take it out on the public (never saw it happen physically but verbally or by issuing ever ticket possible).
Try to suggest changes to bring about better relations with the public? Prepare to be ostracized and bullied till you tow the line.
The overall level of incompetence is staggering, with some officers barely knowledgeable of the firearms they carry everyday.
Your view of the public and people in general becomes very dark. The amount of EDP's (emotionally disturbed persons), druggies and alcoholics you deal with each day is ridiculous and you start to wonder how society hasn't collapsed.
You arrest a violent offender just to see them quickly released over and over, whats worse is how many times an abuse victim files a complaint because you arrested their "love" despite almost being killed.
Very few people are actually grateful when you cut them a break. They DO take it as a sign of weakness and try to push the envelope. This is an often overlooked reason why some officers become a-holes. You try to help people out and they spit in your face (sometimes literally), this gradually tears you down until you can barely recognize what you are becoming.
The uniform is a target. You can be the nicest most patient officer in the world but to many the uniform means you are the enemy. You will get cursed at, attacked and have your private life laid bare.
Low pay not even remotely commensurate with what you have to deal with.
There is sooo much more but I was lucky enough to get out and change careers before it all really got to me.
It’s not the case everywhere, I was a police officer in London for a decade and I honestly felt it was the most worthwhile job I’ve ever had, you can truly make a difference in people’s lives. I even read at the funerals for an elderly couple that I had met who were victims of crime, I stayed in contact with them, used to go out of my way to see the lady when she was dying of cancer, and I am forever grateful that my job led me to be able to do those sort of things.
Load More Replies...Sounds like a vicious cycle, public don't trust the police and police end up resenting the public. Not sure what's needed to break that cycle, but it can't go on.
I think we start with psychiatric screenings not for the job, but for just everyday sanity. The rate of violence in cops in their homes, as well as alconolism/drugs, is pretty high, and we cannot keep up this militarized view of policing, is my thought. But first, get all the cops to agree.... *sigh*
Load More Replies...We really need to overhaul the entire training regimen for the police. MUCH longer training for one, strong and lengthy psych evals., with yearly check ups, and hardcore gun training that teaches them to respect their weapon and it's impact (I'd prefer no guns personally, but if we're going to have them, they need to do better). Society needs to be able to trust and respect the police, or it doesn't work
In Scandinavia it takes 3 years to become a police officer, and they almost never kill anyone. It's insane how little training US police get before they're handed a gun and freedom from consequence if they kill someone with it
Load More Replies...Welcome to the world, where most people do not care about anything. Law enforcement is one of five secondary pillars of freedom (primary pillars are there for direct survival, secondary pillars keep society working). You are just next to doctors, firefighters and teachers, in other words essential people who are paid s**t and nobody cares about.
yup. Married to retired LEO. Most start out wanting to help, make a difference. But they see people at their worst every day. So many fall into that 'dark' place as they are worn down. Seeing people kill and maim and mistreat each other all the time is not good for the soul. There are usually thorough psyche & financial background checks, but some still shouldn't be LEOs. Being married to one is tough but can help keep them balanced. The divorce rate is well over 80%, that's how much this job affects people.
We need to double the training requirements & the pay. You get what you pay for. Same as teachers, but teachers teach the same kids who are getting arrested & they don't have a gun & can't get physical.
I feel horrible when good cops are treated awfully just because a they are a cop. There are bad cops but not all cops are bad cops. Treating all cops like bad cops hurts the good cops and makes there lives miserable.
THANK YOU! There have been so many deaths due to cops just doing their jobs and people kill them, and those people get spat on and hated because “They probably earned it”. It’s disgusting to me, and it should be to anybody with half a brain.
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Ballet dancer
Parents spend tens of thousands (or more) on training. They give up their entire teen years and schooling (most elite ballet dancers are homeschooled and a large percentage move away from home for training in high school).
Most dancers you see on stage in a ballet are paying to be there. The bottom rungs of ballet companies are pay to play. Then when you have paid to dance a few years you might be able to get a position that pays you with a dozen pairs of pointe shoes and a stipend for performances. Then maybe you'll be promoted to the bottom level where you get paid 20K a year and have no health insurance. All while putting your body through major torture.
A picture of a ballet dancer's feet. Enough said. bellet-fee...1a94b6.jpg
As someone in the medical rehabilitation field, this is terrible !! I am shook.
Load More Replies...My feet were destroyed by my late teens from ballet. My joints are worn in a similar manner to arthritis but my passion for this dance.
Notnto mention how unhealthy the ballet groups can be. They want women who are extremely skinny so bidyshaming is very usual as well as smoking to be less hungry. One of my best friends has done amateur ballet for years and she has bordered anorexia a few times because of all the crap that the teachers and dancers would say
Ballet dancers are 100 times more fitter than your average Olympian. Why is there not a ballet category in the Olympics?
Oh wow...and this is glamorized so much in movies. Young kids wanting to do ballet.
The type of ballet young kids do is very different, it isn’t even technically real ballet until about seven, at least that’s how they did it where I went as a child. It’s a great extracurricular for kids.
Load More Replies...When you find yourself constantly comparing your career to others, you may succumb to painful sensations of envy, allowing someone else's accomplishments to make you feel inferior. And according to a recent study, more than 75% of people reported feeling envious of someone in the last year.
So to find out more about this often overwhelming feeling, Bored Panda reached out to Dawn Moss, the founder of “Your Interview Coach” who has been helping both candidates and hiring managers through the recruitment and selection process since 2013.
Dawn said that career envy can happen to a lot of people and for various reasons. “Career envy can happen when individuals aren't doing very well in their own career. Often there's a perception that others are doing much better than them and there's some jealousy.”
I don't know if nightmare is the word, but my wife has finally reached her lifelong goal of becoming a zookeeper at one of the top zoos in the US. She is very happy to have the opportunity to hand food to otters, have reindeer eat out of her hand, and brush okapi. However, she took on tens of thousands of dollars in student loans and did months of unpaid work at the zoo to get the job, which is seasonal, requiring she be off 2 months a year. She gets up at 4 AM and does farmhand style physical labor for 8 hours a day for about $9 an hour with no benefits. I am thrilled that she reached her goal, and I am happy that she is happy, but I am pretty disenfranchised with the whole thing.
I agree. Being a caregiver is an amazing job but extremely difficult as well. Most job positions are unpaid and sometimes they even ask masters or long experience to be an unpaid intern. Even if you get paid the salary is extremely low. You can get all kinds of infections (i worked with animals with diseases that could kill me) and you break your body lifting sacks, digging soil etc. All to become 40 and be unable to keep doing the job because you are too broken.
The last job i saw in one of the places I worked was for 3 days a week (you cant live with that). It asked a master in biology or so, biligual spanish and english (plus points for dutch) and a minimum two years experience with big cats (so other animal caregiving exp didnt count).
Load More Replies...And then you have Germany: three years vocational training, on the job and some school, and it's paid. Yes, it's hard to get in, because there are not that many zoos around, but once you're in, you're in and you're paid. And you don't even need a degree.
You mean Germany where one university scam me making me and my coworkers do research in primates 70-75h a week for 600 euros a month? Germany is as bad as any other country in that aspect
Load More Replies...I want to become a marine biologist and work with seals. The leas of my problems will be the smell.
There's so many (biology) graduates that are happy to do it gapyear/resume-building style for a few years at starvation wage that you have to 'compete' with. Once you get higher up, it's pure hard numbers/hard decisions management with ruthless talkers (charity/exposure is vital!) running the show.
*disenchanted, not disenfranchised. Sorry - that's the kind of mistake I can't let slide. And before you down-vote, I have no complaints about the police officer's post. That person obviously cares deeply about their job, what it represents, and what it's supposed to be - that's what counts. :)
Well, and then there’s the thing about caging wild animals that should really be roaming free in their natural habitats.
A good many zoo animals have known no other life. Throw them into the wild now and they'd be dead within a week. Besides, poachers being what they are, the only animals left on the planet to be seen will be in zoos.
Load More Replies...Its like slavery never really ended in the U.S. Just pay the wage slaves the minimum you can get away. with.
Again who is talking about USA? This is an international site
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Chef.
Long hours, sh**ty environment, nothing is ever good enough.
And so hard on the body. Standing for ten hours straight for days on end takes a toll.
My brother was a chef . He worked 10 hours a day easy 6 days a week and holidays were practically non existent. All while working in a gruelling hot kitchen under constant pressure with little or no benefits. He gave it up when his daughter was born just so he could have weekends and Christmas off with her. Best thing he ever did.
Everybody thinks it's so glamorous after watching Ramsey, D'Campo et al. and that there's lots of money to be made but the reality is so, so different. If it's hot outside, it's even hotter in the kitchen and the hours and stress don't help. Chefs aren't 'fiery' and 'temperamental'. Chefs are over-worked, underpaid and stressed to the max. Imagine every five minutes a countdown clock is reset and you have to get your dish out before it reaches zero. For ten hours. That's kitchen life. Brutal.
Chef or 38 years here - don't do it ; the working conditions are crap, the hours are worse, the employers, by and large are incompetent, uncaring idiots and the chances of earning enough to buy your own place are infinitesemally small .........
Stressful work environment, a lot of yelling or being yelled at... You work every fckn holiday. Forget about christmas or any important holiday. You're cooking for anyone but yourself or your family... That's why I love having my own small restaurant. If I don't feel like opening, I just don't. I'm past the point where I care about anyone else but myself and my family. I work the hours I want to work, and I don't have as many tables as I could, just because I refuse to overwork myself or my staff.
Even though I helped put my ex-husband through cooking school and years later he did become an executive chef. I can honestly say it's a nightmare for both. I was alone all the time - he got home at 3:30 am on the weekends and he was working for every holiday, birthday, anniversary, etc. In 17 years of marriage, he took off 1 day. ONE EFFING DAY. When I made the decision to leave, I gave him one last chance and asked him to go with me on a cruise to nowhere during the middle of the week, when the restaurant could probably spare him. He said no, I was gone by the weekend.
Teaching for sure. I mean, people know it sucks, but still the idea of becoming a teacher and changing the lives of children simply by caring enough exists in a lot of people and sadly it's just not like that. The very sad truth is it doesn't matter how much you care, there are so many people who just want to make your job near impossible and people drop out of the position left and right.
I was shocked when my friend who is a teacher showed me bags and bags of school supplies he bought on clearance for students. I was confused, I asked wouldn't the kids parents buy that stuff? He said no, surprisingly many of them send their kids to school with absolutely no books, papers, writing utensils, nothing. The school won't buy them. The parents won't buy them. The kids won't pay attention or learn anything without them. He has to buy them or they'll end up failing. Combined with the fact he hardly makes enough to pay for rent, transportation, and student loans. It's ridiculous.
As far as Germany is concerned, I'd say our salary is fair. What's annoying is that people blame you for having nothing to do and being on holiday all the time. If that's true, how come we're so desperately lacking teachers?
Whenever someone tries that line with me, you know the one. "Your job is so easy, you start at 9 and finish at 3:30. You get loads of holidays and just have to follow a curriculum everyday for a great wage" I don't argue, I just reply with "Yeah I know, it's great isn't it?" It really annoys them!
Load More Replies...I know plenty of friends who were teachers, the verbal abuse from parents and kids, physical abuse from kids too. A lot of people had to retire due to PTSD. It’s way tougher than most people think.
Wayyyyy tougher! Having read the posts here, I’d like to offer my two cents: many teachers become teachers too soon after school & Uni. They’re not mentally, spiritually, and physically prepared for the reality of teaching. Many get very tired and sad soon. Others find a new strength inside themselves and rise to the occasion. It’s, in my, view, a question of personality. And there’s no way of knowing whether you’ll be alright or not. Trial and error. If teaching agrees with you, it’s extremely rewarding.
Load More Replies...I'm a teacher with one year expierience, in Poland. I'm idealist. But thank God I was smart enough to separate these marvelous visions from reality. Almost everybody wondered „why do I want to do it”. It's shitty job. Half of year I was stressed about not screwing the program, lessons and kids, not screwing myself. Sometimes I was nervous about going to class. Sallary is so low I can't live by myself. Buying e.g. Notebook, didactic aid, etc. are a high cost purchase. So I need to find a second source of income or work in second school. Society is antischool, antiteachers. Many parents isn't helpfull. All their childcare failures are blamed on teachers, because it's our duty to raise their kid. If we have proofs, try to get contact and tell our concerns about misbehaves of their kids they don't see a problem, cuz „My Bryan/Jessica is so wondreful and extraordinary kid... blah blah”. No, your kid isn't a second Mozart nor Einstein. Most kids doesn't have any basic kinderstube. Many pupil
Many pupils are just vicious to everybody. So me, instead of trying to make my idealistic dreams to come true, just focused on little aims like teach them some new skill which is importan in many other fields of life or science. I'm trying, to interest them and occupied, cuz when they're not bored, they won't be nasty. Some my friends who work in school for few months at many our meatings were cursing most aspects of schooling. (Me too xD, but they usually quite their jobs). Many teachers are just tired or burnt out. Not a surprise. Ministry is a barrel of monkeys, trying to „improve” the education by some illogical, messing, bureaucratic reforms, which usually handicap our jobs. The system of Polish Schooling is similar to many other countries. Strict program policies, not much space for induvidual work with kids, not much space for creating comprehensive lessons,
Load More Replies...I worked as a teachers assistant for 11 years. My husband is now a teacher and keeps telling me of jobs at his school. I refuse to even apply just because I don't want to have to deal with parents.
Load More Replies...In other instances, it can also happen to career ambitious individuals, Dawn said. “Although these people are likely to admire and aspire to be like those with successful careers. It will drive them forward and they are likely to put a plan into action,” the career consultant explained.
“Career ambitious individuals will strive to be better and spend time networking with those they admire. Others will avoid the successful people and miss out on opportunities and the outcome will be a self-fulfilling prophecy.”
Having said that, Dawn added that hanging around successful people will impact positively on your career. “You'll naturally up your game and want to gain their admiration too. These people with successful careers can be coaches and mentors and it's wise to network internally. If you want to be truly successful, then hang around with successful people. You'll learn so much about navigating complex work politics and environments. You'll learn how to build relationships and negotiate.”
The video game industry. A lot of kids and teens want in it so bad because “I grew up playing games blah blah blah they take me to another world blah blah blah.” Then you become an adult and learn that it’s all math and physics, and making a video game has NOTHING to do with what you experienced growing up. It’s all black screens of code, polygons, and being criticized for your work.
What’s worse, if you make games you probably never have the time to play them anymore. The gaming industry is notorious for implementing 60-80 hour work weeks.
EVEN WORSE depending on what company you work for, you may never have stable work. You finish a project and then the company tells you “we don’t have another project for your particular skill set.” Then you gotta look for more work.
AND IF ALL THAT WASNT BAD ENOUGH, you’ll probably never work on a game you want to work on. All those big, fancy games and indie darling on Steam are a very small fraction of what exists. Barbie’s Horse Adventure? Those people got degrees and we’re inspired by the same games as you. Crappy Candy Crush knock-offs? Same degree and inspiration. Stupid table-top games that you only see in the family section at Walmart? Those also utilize game designers/programmers.
Don’t get into videogames because you like videogames. Get into videogames because you’re passionate about math and science.
I'm a developer and I love games but I couldn't make games dev my career. I'd be terrified that the long hours and instability would taint my view of games and ruin what I like to do with my free time. Right now I'm in a software dev job for pretty standard business software and games dev is a side hobby. I wonder if the industry will ever change, I can imagine if people were able to keep a work/life balance and had consistent contracts they would stay longer and build up more exp which would benefit the industry as a whole.
I worked as an indie developer for a game company, making simulation style vehicles, which took about a year from conception to actual sales. Many hours, traveling, massive amounts of cash came out of my pocket in the research phase of the project, which would be about two months. Building the actual vehicle, shading it, attaching sounds, and getting it scripted for functionality would take about seven months. The rest of the time was spent presenting the project and having it "tested" by the company I was working with. Over and over I would send it in and it would get sent back with a list of fixes. After some amount of time, it would be put up for sale on a popular gaming service. But don't think you are even going to get close to making back what you spent in time and money. I've estimated that I've made the equivalent of about $2 an hour during my time doing this. If you aren't in it for the fun, don't bother, because if you don't own the company, you surely won't be making a livin
I got into video games because I'm a sculptor and I just love to create things. I used to work in the tabletop gaming industry and sculpt traditionally, but the industry went digital so I had to change with it. Now, because I have more digital skills, I sculpt for both industries. Sure the work sucks and the subjects can be boring, but at least I get to do what I love.
Learns that the hard way and then my comp sci teacher made me stick to it anyways
Just in case people think that the tester role is a great role, playing video games all day .. oh yeah.. .no, sorry but no. As a tester you might be required to play a specific part of a game over and over again, trying different things each time. Then when they add a new feature, item, weapon, armour, or even move a rock, you get to do it all over again. Tweak to the AI? back to the start of testing. Change of pathing logic, back to the beginning. I worked as a tester for 6 months, I think I saw the first couple of levels of a game, and had to run it based on specific requirements, such as "is it possible to go through an area without jumping". Never did find out why they needed that info. Then spend time writing up how I did each thing, what buttons I pressed, which direction I was facing, paperwork easily outweighs actual playing. You get paid minimum wage, if you are lucky, to do something that sucks all the entertainment out of playing games.
Most of this is true yes. The hours are terrible and the pay is pretty bad as well. Even with the long hours. But particularly in the USA because they have basically no humane work laws. Companies can demand of you whatever they want or you're out. Thankfully I live in Europe where it's much better. There is also many different aspects of videogames. You can be a programmer, artist or designer. If you are an artist you have nothing to do with code, or math or science. Maybe to some extent but it's still about making stuff. Yes it's about polygons but many other aspects as well.
Medicine, a close friend is a doctor, he doesn't have a life.
Since COVID hit, nobody in healthcare has had a life. People spent a year avoiding physical contact with loved ones, like spouses dividing houses in half to avoid contact. It's been that bad.
Even before covid healthcare workers were seroiusly underpaid and overworked in many countries
Load More Replies...I recently started working at a small, direct primary care clinic with an amazing doctor who got OUT of corporate medicine because it's such a treadmill. I never realized that the doctors at most clinics are not the boss - the corporation that owns the clinic is the boss! He was tired of having to limit the patient visits to, like, 10 minutes and having to have 2,000 patients on his "roster". So he opened a DPC clinic so that he could actually get to know his patients!
I have run into more arrogant, self-absorbed, holier than thou, incompetent doctors who really take the term medicine is a practice to a whole new low. Let’s throw spaghetti on the wall see what sticks and call it cured. This is what happens when your entire nation allows the insurance company a.k.a. the guy who writes the check to have so much impact on the medical field.
When I am still a paramedic, my salary is half or even one-third of a janitor.. That job is very noble in nature but the wage is terrible..
I have my medical degree, do not practice, and think I had a life sometime in my thirties but that may be wishful thinking. All hope of a good night's sleep ended with Covid. Burnout, quitting, suicide, PTSD ----- yes, you can get it from seeing horrible things every day ----- and I just do research and patient info/advocacy. Spat on, yelled at, that was normal... then Covid hit and it stopped being "one a-hat a week" and became "one every half-hour". I'd quit but ... if we all quit, then what? Wow, this is not a good week for me....
I hear you loud and clear. For those who are the general public you do not, nor will you ever know or understand what covid has been like and the toll it has taken on those in Healthcare. And I'm going to include all those who work in a hospital without whom we could not function. Environmental Services, Dietary, Materials Management, Unit Secretaries, porters and so many others. People who have not received the attention and appreciation due them. I can see so many Healthcare professionals making a mad dash after this because of PTSD, physical and mental exhaustion, health issues as a result of being so physically worn down you get sick. And then in normal times the physical violence we face on the job is shocking. In Ontario a Healthcare worker has a higher percentage chance of being assaulted on the job than law enforcement. A friend of mine had a patient who just hauled off & punched her in the head. Not confused. No sign of him being angry. He just did it out of the clear blue.
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Modeling, too competitive and not enough food.
I’m just over 110 at 17 and I’m healthy ( my doctor says that’s the perfect weight for me) and I bet if I tried modeling ( I never will) they would say ur too hefty loose weight
I sit for artist, as a side gig, which is different from modeling, in a sense. I’m a very small person simply due to DNA. I eat a lot. However, we are all put in the same box. People telling us to eat more. I eat 3 meals a day and snack all day. I can’t control my metabolism. I almost quit because people of people’s comments about my body. It’s like they get off on ripping us apart. It’s the opposite of fat shaming and equally as painful. I still do it because I love art. The artist that employ me are amazing. Not all of us starve ourselves, are photoshopped, vain or stupid. Some of us do it bc our other jobs (Vet field🤦🏻♀️) don’t pay all our bills. Not all models model clothes and are “human coat hangers”. However, the “human coat hanger” comment is a great concept for an artist exhibit. Thanks for the idea. We get no respect. (See below comments) I have never been sexually harassed on a job. Only when I go out. We are humans too with feelings. Stop body shaming all sizes!!! ✌🏽
Skinny shaming? I agree, it's just as hurtful. I think they mean human coat hanger as in that's what (most of) their employers see them as. Body shaming does more harm than good, and I completely agree with everything on your comment.
Load More Replies...I liked it when I used to be a model. Do it just as a side job, for example as a student. Don't be fooled by the glamour you see on TV. Don't aime for a carriere as a top model. Don't ruin your health with diets. Take jobs your agency finds where they want you as you already look. Work for small fashion shows, cheap catalogues, ads and stock photos. You make lots of money doing easy jobs and have a lot more time to learn for the uni, compared to wating tables and such. In the 90s, I made enogh money in few hours on 2-3 days a week to pay rent and bills. Plus it was fun, mostly :)
When asked how to stop comparing yourself to others, Dawn said it’s less easy. What it takes is an understanding that “What makes one person successful and others not.” “When you compare yourself to others and feel disappointed with your own performance or progression, then this will be less than helpful and will impact choices and decisions.”
On the other hand, she said that a little bit of competition is healthy since it will drive performance and productivity, which in turn increases profitability. “It's all about mindset and attitude and how you frame this situation that will either help or hinder someone's career.”
Film crew.
Yes, you sometimes meet famous people. Sometimes they're cool, often they're really not. The days are 14+ hours of work with a commute of who knows how long on either end, depending where you're shooting. You have half an hour for lunch. Coffee breaks are whenever you're not needed on set, so depending on your job (I was in camera, and we rarely had a down moment), it could be almost never. More often than not, someone on set is yelling. People lose their minds over making really [poor] entertainment. You start work by 7am on Monday, and by Friday you're coming in at 4pm and leaving when the sun comes up on Saturday. There are no paid holidays, no paid sick days, no paid vacation. If you don't work enough qualifying hours, the union kicks your healthcare.
And this is if you're IN a union. Non-union, much worse. Sexual harassment is through the roof, but the kids who get it the worst are afraid to say anything or they'll lose their jobs. I have been told some real horror stories about famous actors, some of whom I still haven't seen get outed by the Me Too movement. And I'm not talking word-of-mouth, second-hand stories. I'm talking about young women who whisper to each other what shows to avoid and make them swear to never use their name because if they want to work in this industry, they can't be known as a troublemaker.
I watched so many co-workers fall into addictions, lose family, miss their children's lives, over the dumbest TV shows in the world. If you go union, the money can be good, but it's not worth it. It's just not worth it.
Entertainment in general is pretty bad - whether it's music, acting, etc. By far the sleaziest, most cut-throat industry I've ever worked in. The financial gap between those who make it and those who don't is *massive*. The entire industry is built mostly on relationships - it really is more about luck and who you know than talent.
Related career: Nature Photographer 98% of your time is spent slogging 100kg of gear through jungles or deserts or mountains and then sitting motionless in the heat, cold, rain, for hours or even days while being eaten by mosquitoes and or ants, waiting for your planned shot which often never happens until the 3rd or 4th trip out. Can you say "crippling arthritis at age 43"?
I worked as an extra for a tv show a couple of times during college. The crew were all stessed-out chain-smoking zombies and the "stars" (D level tv show) were incredibly arrogant. So much so they would literally treat us as through we were air! Never did that again.
Hehe. That reminds me of my time as an extra in a small play in a small German town, few years ago. I was NOT PAID, mind you, as I just wanted to breath some theater air and have fun. One day during rehersals this young actress starts shouting at us extras for "not moving quick enough" and "ruining her scene". I went and stood up in front of her, with my hands on my hips, and shouted back: "who do you think you are to yell at us, you third rate wannabe of an artist? You're neither pretty enough, nor talented enough nor famous enough to act like a diva! We're doing you a favour by investing our time here for free, but you act like a spoiled brat just once more and we all will be out of here!" I was making empty threats as I didn't know if anybody would leave if I asked them :)) but it must have made some impression because the director intervened, apologised in her name and probably asked her later to behave :)
Load More Replies...My dad is in film and he goes to Maine every year for two weeks. Plus, when he gets jobs, most of them underpay, overwork, and stress him out. When he gets jobs, he is usually home at 9-10,, and in the mornings he sleeps in, or leaves at 6. He has had a recent job where ge left at 7;30, then comes home at 11pm - 5 am. Also, he met jojo siwa, and she turned out to be a real brat. He almost never gets jobs with celebrities.
My kid did extra work when she was a teenager for some movies and series. Absolutely insane hours and crazy conditions! Lots of yelling, she lasted for 3 years.
Political staffer. Most jobs in politics pay very little money and require you to work 80+ hours a week for a boss who is guaranteed to have a gigantic ego. You also have to look for a new job after every election day.
I worked as a political assistant in the Netherlands. Best job ever. Terrible working hours, but never a dull moment and an incredible team spirit. Still in contact with some former colleagues after more than ten years.
THe key word here is "Worked." You don't do this work anymore. It was not something long term with stability. That is what is important to know
Load More Replies...I was a chief of staff when i was 26 yo, they forgot a lot of things in this post... I was well payed but had no life at all, night, days, weekends you can't have "me time", always with your phones even at night in case of emergency. My boss was really fine but the others HUH, like warzone in there, and you have a crazy amount of responsabilities, my boss was a mayor and i had to take decisions if he wasn't available. That's often tiny looking things but there is no tiny decisions. Like this time the mayor was on vacation in summer, the event service asked me if they had to cancel an outdoor concert because the weather was threatening. If you cancel it just hours before people will get mad, artists will get mad, and if you don't cancel and there is an accident, you/the mayor are responsible for it. When people asked me what job i do, i told them "i'm a shït umbrella", because that's actually your job. Any annoying person arund the mayor "see it with my collaborator".
I was always carrying notebooks to write all the crazy demands and redistributed them between staff and services who were of course not happy to see me on mondays. "you'll forgot whatever you were doing currently, this is now your top priority". And you always have to be the nosy annoying person whenever and wherever the mayor is involved, you have to double check everything. "the mayor will speak at this event, everything is sorted out?" "Yes of course" and then you check and there is just one mic, "where is the spare mic in case this one have any problem?Go fetch another mic." You have to secure everything and anticipate any unforeseeable. It was an interesting experience but i was glad to leave. And yes, you are not a townhall employee, you are attached to your political person so your job is not secure, you leave when they leave.
Load More Replies...most staffers work 4-6 years before moving to think tanks and lobbying firms, unless they become chief of staff or other heigher positions. Most of these are intro level jobs for a reason.
I volunteered so much time. All I did was answer texts
Load More Replies...I think it's a shame people have such low opinions of politicians in general. They're just people, too. And at least in my country only a handful make a living of it - the rest are all volunteers working for ideals they believe in. Some get a small pay check for a few hours of work a month. The above might be true for American election campaigns, though, I guess.
There's a reason why people have low opinions of politicians: politicians. Like my father always said: Politicians are the only people who even lie while they are whistling a song.
Load More Replies...And the environment is toxic and corrupt in more ways than anything!
Being an artist. People think it's just fun drawing time in art class, but it is so stressful. Especially if it's a job you do. When I get commissions I spend hours just THINKING of the idea. I start sketching it, person (usually a non artist, artists are usually more gentle about it or don't mind) says it's not how they wanted it. Redo the sketch. HOPEFULLY it's okay now. Do the 2 hour line art. They say "Oh, this is wrong, this is too big, wtf is that, etc." After spending another 1-2 hours fixing it, you color it in. There's usually no problem with that unless it's an artist with a color pallet you're not used to. When you're done you send them to picture and hopefully they paid you while you were drawing because there's a lot of people who just make excuses. Also, if you're a small artist, you probably under charged that commission. That drawing you slaved over for 5 days... the person was only willing to 15 dollars and you'll take anything because everyone loves to ask for free stuff
This is so true. Many think that because this is not one of those heavy duty jobs, it's worthless. Many times I've had clients asking me to basically draw like other artists or simply 100% copy a well known franchise for their designs, which is something I simply do not do. A lot of them asked for free stuff, "because it's just a drawing". On the other hand, I've met wonderful people as well, that helped me develop, supported me and were generous. I love my job though, and in my case, it literally changed my life for the better.
And don't forget, you have to fight to get a gallery to take you on, then the gallery take 30, 40, 50 even 75% commission on every sale, but the public think you get all the money.
Thankfully in the community/fandom I make art for, most people who go to commission you are very kind and pay you well. Even give you tips sometimes! Now I only make art in this community because of that :)
May I ask what fandom that is? I also believe it depends greatly on the fandom. Most people offering commissions I see in the FFXIV community have prices of 30-60 $ and get the art done fairly quickly. (I guess it helps greatly if you a) love the fandom and b) are already familiar with the race features etc.) Of course, I don’t know what‘s going on in the backgroujd, but it usually looks like the artists and clients are happy with each other.
Load More Replies...I balked once at the fee on art for something, but when I broke down the hours they spent? They were 't charging much at all.
Same thing happens to Model Building Commissions, Clients don't realize how many years it took you to get to this Level!
I’m an artist. This person is probably just starting out. You need to protect yourself and your work if you’re an artist. Have contacts with your clients. Make them sign, make them give you a deposit, make them provide you with a written description of what they want. Also, don’t take work just to make a buck. You are better off pouring that energy into your own ideas and artwork and then selling that in various avenues instead of doing commissions. Other people’s commissions are NEVER going to make you happy as an artist.
I majored in graphic design and when I graduated many years ago there were plenty of jobs. Fast forward a few years and here comes the internet in full force. Online businesses started pulling people in by quantity over quality and outsourcing to people who would do a logo or drawing for a stick of gum. It really crippled the graphic design field in certain areas of the US. It became so hard to find work that I had to go back to school. Now I am in the medical field. I honestly couldn't be happier, surprisingly!. I still like to draw for fun and commission work though.
My SO is an attorney and isn't loving life right now. She says "You know how you did term papers in college? Well I do term papers every day, all day, endlessly."
As someone who once literally translated a report about paint drying, writing term papers for a living isn’t necessarily bad if you’re into that kind of thing.
i agree! i love writing and am fairly good at it. while in college i would type terms papers and other things for students to make money. it was scary to realize that some of the people who were in fields that would eventually affect other people's lives were barely literate as they may have good understanding of the subject but couldn't translate it into meaningful dialogue. some of them would hand me their papers that would be literally a bunch of thoughts/observations and i would have to put it into a form that would not only make sense but keep the reader interested in reading the entire thing. however, the good thing about this was that i got to learn about a lot of careers that i was so glad i had no interest in joining.
Load More Replies...Paralegal or rather glorified paper-pusher here and I second that for the whole industry.
And clients will hate their attorneys often, whether they lose a case ("you lost") or won ("this was an easy win, I shouldn't have to pay so much. You're exploiting people in trouble. Getting rich of the poor, yadayada").
DO. NOT. WORK. FOR. TELEVISION NEWS. Unless you like being underpaid, over-worked, unappreciated, actively bullied, over exposed to the depths of human depravity, on the clock 24/7 and ready to be completely disillusioned with the world and the monsters called people living on it.
I always think this when I watched the news. They switch from cherry blossom season in Japan to the death of 50 children in Yemen, like it's nothing.
okay... but, aren't there ALWAYS so unspeakable events existing side by side?
Load More Replies...I always think if jody Huisentruit who worked crack of dawn for crap pay only to be abducted
Here in Germany, if you get a job as a tv news presenter at a public broadcaster, you'll be swimming in money.
I was going to say tv news show director. You’re only as good as your last show and anyone from the newscaster to the camera people to the people who cue and run tape for stories can make a mistake that will be blamed on you. And if you’re on the late shift, you get to do it again in 4 hours.
Is that why the BBC are in the USA? They sack all the overpaid staff in the UK and employ in America, yes now makes sense. Still charge the UK license fees though
I have a friend that does, and I can tell it's hard without even living it.
Behavioral health. I spent a long time working towards a career in therapy, and I’ve noticed that a lot of new people/people looking to get into the field go in with the starry-eyed “I want to help people” mentality. I did, too.
You do help people, but it is [freaking] hard to help people. A lot of jobs are high stress/low pay type of deals, because a lot of the jobs available are through nonprofits that only have so much funding to go around. You are vicariously exposed to other people’s trauma, and it does affect you, no matter how good you are at creating boundaries and practicing self care. It’s an admirable profession, but a grossly under appreciated one, and it most certainly isn’t for everyone who wants to “help people” for a living.
Therapist here and love the work but also paid a lot of dues in the trenches before being where I am at today career and finances wise. The main things I educate people heading into grad school or who are starting their internships is to really know what the job is at the "entry level graduate with a masters" level. It won't be glamourious or well paid. There will be benefits and some training and supervision opportunities most likely but you have to do A LOT of due diligence on many of those things and have a clear idea of what direction and how you want your career to go. I still meet some many new grads who get this idea they can get their license in under two years and jump into becoming an agency director or jump right into starting a successful private practice and get a harsh reality check.
"A lot of jobs are high stress/low pay type of deals, because a lot of the jobs available are through nonprofits that only have so much funding to go around." The reason is partially true. It's also supply and demand. A lot of people want to study and practice therapy, so wages aren't great because employers can hire without offering a lot.
You can't help anyone who doesn't want to be helped, is what we learned in med school. And, since I'm in PTSD peer support group as a "group leader"? Oh.... PLEASE if you do therapy for aliving, Get therapy.
I'd say that almost everyone I've met in the field has emotional/mental struggles. The *good* schools do a great job at weeding out people who aren't mentally fit to be a counselor. Of course, like any field, there are some people who shouldn't be doing the job, but most are good helpers because of their struggles.
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I'm a professional, full-time voice actor. I'm blessed to be successful and happy, but about 99% of the voice actors I know are depressed most of the time, struggling hard to find work, wrestling with impostor syndrome, questioning if they should give up, and barely able to make rent. Particularly videogame/anime/animation actors.
Most animated movies used to be voiced by professional voice actors. Now they get the big names in to voice most of the characters, and the professionals are out of work. It's sad.
Also, in some countries they will be foubled by not known actors.
Load More Replies...On the other hand, if you're a SAG voice actor on a union film or TV show in the U.S., you make about $900 per recording session, even if you only come in to do a few lines. It's just very competitive to get to that level, and very few people do.
Have you looked it up? I assume you didn't, cuz it's not "sussy" at all (that's pretty insulting imo) It's pretty common with all of these jobs, and lots of successful people.
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Farming on a large scale. I was living in debt up to my ass ($500k-$1 mil depending on the time of year), haggling for every input (land, fertilizer, seed, equipment), at the mercy of the weather, and got to watch the commodity markets kick me in the nuts every business day. The real cherry on top was everyone thinking you are trying to kill them with GMOs and copious amounts of chemicals that we dont use. Not to mention farms are passed down through generations so you've got a bunch of dead and living ancestors watching your every move. Oh and a lot of farmers work a second full time job for the health insurance. There's a reason farm suicides are high and farm "accidents" and accidents are higher.
There's a million young rural FFA kids that would give there left leg for a chance to farm.
yes, all to this. but, when it comes to the GMOs, most people don't understand that they have been eating genetically engineered food for decades as most of your food you are seeing to day do not look anything like it started out before farming started to get standardized in regards to size, color, etc.
Domestication is genetically modifying plants to start with. See: maize. Wheat. Etc. ... But please, please, kill off the Giganto-Farms. The practices re: soil/etc. are horrible, and the consequences to environment equally so, IMHO. (Grew up on a family farm.)
Load More Replies...I thought only the farmers in my country commited suicide due to droughts and low pay. What does this say about our society if we don't even care about the people who feed us
Farming is some.of the hardest, least paid work you can do. Families barely getting by. Millions.in debt by leveraging the farm and the only reason they eat well is that they grow the food and trade with other farmers and ranchers in the same situation.
Not all. Some. The ones I know are all in possession of multiple aircraft and worth a bloody massive fortune.
TATTOOIST... it's crazy hours, no hourly rate, if no one comes in to get tattooed you don't get paid that day, you often spend more time drawing for tattoos than actually drawing and more often than not your doing that at home. There's so much more BS than anyone thinks.
I don't know why anyone thinks it's glamorous I know I certainly don't.
Dude, my artist earns £90 an hour and lives an extremely comfortable life, he loves art and never gets sick of coming up with designs and pieces for people, you can hear and see the enthusiasm when he is talking about it, this is someone who shouldn't have been a tattoo artist.
I get your point but not everyone lives like that and you should respect it. Some people just don't have the means to earn this much. That way, every career is nice cause I'm pretty sure SOMEONE in that career is living a happy life.
Load More Replies...How come you don't get paid if noone enters for a tattoo? How is that legal? What country is that?
I'm sure it's like hair stylists or massage therapists. You pay rent to the owner of the shop, for your booth or chair space. You keep what you get from each client. I could be wrong.
Load More Replies...Don't get paid that day? I have a big back piece and paid per session, every single session. Sessions were $400 and I gave him a $100 tip. Five sessions and it's still not done. And he moved to the other side of the country. And no one wants to finish coloring it in. Le sigh.
Plus at lot of tattoo parlours are owned by organised crime. One of my local tattoo joints turned out to be dealing drugs on the side and was shut down after a police raid. (Not having a go at the artists themselves, mind you; most of 'em are perfectly decent people just trying to make a living. And they're always really interesting to talk to while you're in the chair).
Some but not all. It's just that it's a popular legit business to cover organized crime. Same with towing companies, car dealerships, bars, restaurants, anything where there could be a lot of people coming through the doors and a lot of money. I heard of one tattoo parlour where there was HA members and if they saw someone come in they didn't like they would hook the needle by slamming it on a counter, making the tattoo experience very painful. I believe it got shut down.
Load More Replies...It s not like you' re starving or smth....I may seem rude, what is exactly bothering you as an artist ?
Architect is really bad. Most people don’t complete it and the mental health issues are quite serious. There’s a lot of criticism and stress in the beginning, lots of late nights and hard work. At the end of the work you get insulted in public.
There’s no real reason for this. You aren’t going to be saving lives or anything, there’s no need to make it so expensive either.
So three years later, you get a degree and have to do a year of intern work, then it’s time for another year of study and projects and exams. Then two years of minimum wage work.
Then you come back for more exams, essays and projects.
It’s really too hard for what it is. I get paid very badly and I don’t really use any of my training. It was pointless really but girls like it at parties when I say I’m an architect. That’s a lie I don’t go to parties I
and 40% are unemployed or employed in other fields because way more degrees to the number of jobs in the field. I mean took at Netanyahu in Israel, he had a MIT architects degree and a masters and he had to settle for becoming a politician.
I am studying architecture. Its GRUELLING. TORTUOUS. TRAUMATIC. I'm not kidding. This has left me with lasting physical and mental issues and not small ones, at that. Somethings that I'll carry for life. And I'm not even done with the course and I can't quit cause I can't afford to pay for everything again.
Load More Replies...Architecture school sucks and in no way prepares you the real profession - but it does "teach" the design process (I still believe that's not really somethingyou can teach, you either have a design eye or you don't.) The career itself can be fulfilling, just have to find your right niche. The path to becoming licensed is long and tedious for a reason - no one wants an incompetent Architect designing buildings that won't stand up. I stuck through it all and love my job, and get paid very handsomely for it.
The best architects I’ve known are the ones who’ve actually spent a few years in the building trades. Artful designs tempered with practical knowledge are better for everyone’s piece of mind.
I don't know much about this profession but I've always wondered if it's all that fulfilling. Architects probably are very creative people that never really get to use their creative talents as building are normally built for a specific purpose and are designed to be as cost effective as possible.
It depends on what section of the field you go into. I did not find commercial fulfilling. However, now I work in historic preservation and that is very fulfilling.
Load More Replies...I remember being young and taking a drafting/design class in high school. My father was a draftsman for NASA so he was proud. I had good grades, wanted to go to Notre Dame's architecture school where you spent your last year in Rome. Then I found out starting salary for most architect's is less than 40k and you don't get to work pencil and paper anymore. Everything is AutoCad and the soul is sucked out. So I changed career paths
I found it to be really degrading and stressful. I had no life, and could hardly sleep from being so stressed all the time. It was mentally draining; I actually ended with swollen tendons in my hand from the amount of drawing we done. Btw I just finished my first out of five years for architecture, and then I would have to do two years working with an architect to be qualified.
Are you continuing? As someone who's done 3/5 years, I say that if you want to quit, do it within the first two years, and if you don't, continue till you graduate.
Load More Replies...Can confirm. IT IS NOT WORTH IT. Sounds glamorous, but it's a very poorly paid life long self torture full of pressure and sometimes public humiliation, unless you manage to escape to architecture adjacent field. My dad said that I don't really have to save up for retirement, because I simply will never be able retire. Needless to say, he's right.
Depends on where you work. I work at a non-profit (NGO) and do historic preservation. It's fulfilling, pays s**t, but has excellent benefits including a pension.
Load More Replies...The majority of people that can afford architects are rich snobs that think they own you and your time/weekends/evenings, for the duration of the project. The end result of the building that you get judged on, is most likely the client demanding it to be that way. The last building I did before leaving the industry, the client last minute changed the colour to the entire 10 storey building to a poo brown, clashing with all our other design elements and creating one giant pile of s**t.
Idk if military is glamorized, but I saw a bunch of people who joined cause they wanted to be badasses and they couldn't wait to get out. Long hours, sometimes dangerous work, mind-numbingly repetitive tasks, being stuck with a-hole bosses at times (not like you can just quit), not the best pay, etc. Add it all up and you get a large portion of people who do one enlistment and never come back.
In the US its seen as a ticket out of poverty for a lot of kids. The only way they can go to college is potentially be shot at. Makes it pretty clear inequity is part of the system design not a bug
I hate that. It's like "Hey kids, we'll pay for your college, all you have to do is belong to us for a few years." Rich man's war, poor man's fight.
Load More Replies...Misogyny. Poor pay. 100 hours weeks. And in France a lot of people just HATE military.
They're also hated in Spain and lots of countries. So all of they are those who don't, and happen to be misogyns and from radical extreme right. People don't feel sad when some dead kiling others.
Load More Replies...Then get discarded due to the mental toll it has taken and realize the "skills" you learned in the military rarely transfer to the civilian world. Adjustment is hard. Addiction in and out of the service is super rampant. And vet benefits? Yeah about that...
A lot of veterans are homeless, and I've heard that as many as 35 veterans take their own lives every day.
Load More Replies...i suppose for some this description is correct. however, having come from a military family where both my parents and, later, a spouse in the military; i worked for the dept of navy for several years., it is not that bad. yes, you can't quit. yes, you will be stuck with people that you don't like. yes, you will be given tasks that a monkey could do if it could salute. but, i found that if you just treat it like a regular job it isn't that bad. what can make it hard is the impact it can have on your personal life, like long deployments where you don't see your family for up to a year. but, again, having a family is something that should be taken into deep consideration when in the military as if they had wanted you to have one they would have issued you one. if the military could do one thing it is pay them better as you give up a lot of rights that citizens take for granted in order to wear that uniform.
Also from a military family, dad navy, mom army, and guess what? We love serving, but it's not okay to stick us in the way so a billionaire gets more money. Let him go fight for his oil money. And my mom never minded my dad's deployments. Absence made hearts fonder and all that.
Load More Replies...The military recruit from poor areas. In the UK you can join at 16- an immature child. You get to travel. The pay is ok because you don't get chance to spend it. A lot suffer from PTSD, alcoholism and drug misuse and end up on the streets. Your 'thanks for service' are an insult.
Yes you can join at 16, but they cannot be deployed on tour until they reach 18
Load More Replies...I'm just glad they all do it so that I don't have to. I thank them all for their service!
I literally heard my exes friend say he wanted to join the army to become a "hired killer". He either never joined or got denied.
I'm happy that this potencial "hired killer" is not in your life anymore. Lucky you.
Load More Replies...Acting. There's no sure-fire way into the business. You can just have natural ability and take direction well, audition, and nail the role. You can follow a fine arts degree in theatre and acting and hone your skills which may help in the audition process, and further. Even at that, you've got to grind and grind and grind until you get noticed...if you ever get noticed. If you end up being a star, you can expect a career of destroying your body. Want that latest role? Gain 30 lbs. Want the next one? Lose 50. If you're a woman, expect to have to maintain your figure through your relatively shorter career, and that doesn't mean an "average" figure. For an extreme example, Christian Bale lost 63 lbs for his role in The Machinist, eating an apple and a can of tuna a day, then had to bounce back and gain weight for Batman Begins.
To be honest some actors choose to be extra for their role, like the examples given.However even simple movies like those in the MCU are now setting unrealistic body standards for actors who've signed on as well as for their viewers who largely fall in the impressionable teen-young adult age range.
Unpopular Opinion: There are lots of careers like this. Acting - The chances of you being the next Tom Hanks are tiny. Football - The chances of you being the next Cristiano Ronaldo are minimal. Music - The chances of you being the next Paul McCartney are next to none. But you work hard, earning anything from zero to next-to-zero, and hope that the stars align. For most people the stars are stubborn and the most they achieve is being able to say 'I'm an actor' or 'I'm a pro footballer' and make rent sometimes. If you choose this kind of profession, the road is long, uphill and littered with the dreams of those that preceded you. But nobody sees that. All they see is Tom Hanks and Cristiano Ronaldo.
Back when I was an aspiring actress, I was told my size 8 body needed to lose 20 pounds.
So. First of all. A size 8 is a perfectly acceptable size . I’m not into the body shaming .. but, I will add I was a size eight at five two and slightly overweight. Twenty pounds would have had me at about 110-115 which isn’t unrealistic and is still healthy .. now this only applies to me . If you are much taller than I am it would be much different . Either way, I’m sure you size eight ( or ten or 12 or 6 or 4 or whatever ) body was just lovely and I’m sorry if you were made to feel bad
Load More Replies...Christian Bale is not the every actor and takes acting too seriously because he's been acting since he was 8years-old and was litterally brought up in an actual circus and had gypsy like childhood. Christian Bale is an anomaly one can't use as an example because he's the only one who puts in that too insane commitment beyond typical method acting, beyond Charlize Theron, beyond Joaquin Pheonix, beyond Daniel Day Lewis, beyond Meryl Streep, even beyond Lawrence Olivier. Christian Bale dropped down to 120lbs because Christian Bale wanted to rebel against type casting and get people to take him seriously as this was post Reign of Fire and Captain Corelli's Mandolin and Christian did not want to be like Gerard Butler and Eric Bana.
Lucky Me. Community Theater.Three shows a nite, Three nights a Week and two on Saturday and Sunday. Star ? Yeah, But no pay and always worrying about Reviews. Forget that!
Radio announcer. Like a lot of other jobs in the entertainment industry, it’s full time work for part time pay. Second jobs are common. Your pizza delivery guy just may be your favourite morning show host! At least, that’s how the morning guy at my station made ends meet, until he was laid off in the last round of cutbacks.
Now we’re a “hybrid station,” which is the preferred business model these days. That’s a fancy way of saying one person does everything while you run a ton of syndicated programs. 12 hour days of minimum wage.
You have normal workdays as a radio journalist/moderator in Germany and the staff is pretty big. Perhaps some more labour laws would be an idea in the US...
Maybe in the US but not in my experience. I know several people working in local radio and they are all full-time jobs. When not on air they may be in production, sound or engineering, or preparing for their next show. One guy does local radio Monday to Friday and national at the weekend. Most do ad voiceovers. And the office staff have more than enough to do!
my classmate was a radio DJ, pretty popular too. He agreed that its not something you can live on... he was in nursing school with me. We are both RNs now.
I'm a radio lady and yes, times are becoming harder, especially since nowadays every schmock thinks making radio programs means stammering into a $10 microphone without any training (I had a trainee at our station who told me he knows how to create radio news reports because he listens to radio a lot - no kidding). Nevertheless, it's a greart career and I love it. The biggest problem here in Germany is that they water down the radio training and insist on turning apprentices into "multimedia" journalists who learn a bit of radio, a bit of TV and a bit of newspaper/online journalism - none of it long enough and in-depth. The latter is even not the same; writing for a newspaper differs from writing for a website in many ways, but who cares? The main goal is to spend as little as possible for the next generations of journalists. Informing the public has already a much lower quality than it had 20 years ago and it will become worse in the furture. Sorry for the long rant :)
Looking at this thread most seem to be from America - is life really so bad there? asking for a friend?
This profession is bad in many countries. These hate America replies are exhausting.
Load More Replies...The Buggles said "video killed the radio star" 40+ years ago; seems to me radio has gone from strength to strength.
Load More Replies...Opera singing. The famous Maria Callas said if she could do it all over again, she wouldn’t. Takes countless years, hundreds of thousands of dollars, hard to hold a day job due to rehearsals, bouncing from place to place to place, people in music don’t always consider you to be a musician, people with “regular jobs” constantly asking you what you’re “real career” is, or they do the polar opposite and think you’re some famous diva when in fact you aren’t. Incredibly difficult to keep long term relationships due to the constant travel, you literally pay hundreds of dollars for job interviews (since that’s what auditions are), you perform most holidays since Christmas and Easter are the prime biblical times which = lots of singing and NYE means operetta or “A Salute to Vienna” where you sing Johann Strauss Jr all night. It’s rarely fur shall’s and champagne, and you work in the evenings and sleep in the day. It makes it difficult if you have a family, especially a young family because you have to decide if you work on Christmas to help pay for things or you stay home to open presents. It’s a string of tough decisions. It’s taxing and a lot of people take breaks. It’s truly a passion that drives you forward because it’s hard and thankless and less and less people support it. You really gotta love what you do. Opera is the meeting of all the art forms, music, visual art, dance, literature, and acting. Please give it a shot before dismissing it. Please support the arts.
True! Don’t forget living in a continuous exam, being always judged, pressure for finding an agent that really believes in you…. But the stage is everything!
I love going to the opera. Some performances I've attended have literally moved me to tears.
Don't forget being at the mercy of your health too - colds can put you out of practice for weeks
I am an opera nut - have been since 11, when my father took me to see "Aida." I regularly donate to the local opera company, and from time to time catch a Met simulcast at a movie theatre.
They're not as bad as people make them out to be. Not bad at all. Pretty good actually.
This is kind of niche but, scuba dive instructor. I did it for 3ish years, I can't begin to tell you how many times people wished they had my job. A decent portion of the job was selling. I hate forcing people to buy things, but I had to have a certain percentage of people buy a mask, at least. The mask was about 25% of the cost of an open water course. Chances are they'd never use it again. Dive shop politics are insane. I worked 6.5 days a week for 90% of the year. If I turned down a course, I wouldn't be given another until there were no other instructors available. If there were no courses going on, I still had to be in the shop incase someone came in. During slow times there would be 7 or 8 instructors hanging around doing nothing. We all lived less than 5 minutes away. My dive shop would only hire people who were attractive enough. They'd also refuse to hire people who had trained at certain other dive schools in the area. The owners would go out of their way to be charming to the customers and then take the piss out of them as soon as the were out the door. The amount of responsibility is huge, and nobody even thinks about it until you point it out. You're taking 4 people into a deadly environment and have to bring them back in the same state they went into it in. If something goes wrong you can lose your license or go to jail. Where I was working, these were pretty exclusively early to mid 20 year olds. Not only that, but if someone you trained has an incident at a later date, you can also be investigated and possibly prosecuted. I was diving in 30C (86f) water. I constantly had an infection. Could be from a small cut, or my ears or my throat. It was constant. Long, very hard work days. 12 hour days were about the norm. I'd teach, be dragging around the tanks I was responsible for weighing 20kg each as well as tonnes of other gear, and putting on my 'be happy around the customer face' whilst keeping them from dying. It's like a combo of retail and warehouse work. It also diluted my love of diving. Even when diving with professionals now I have a hard time not constantly being on alert, waiting for someone to do something stupid, rather than enjoying the dive. Pay is [really bad]. It's an amazing job, but it turned my hair grey by 25.
This is so accurate. I did it for a few years part-time. Other things to add: dealing with asshole parents of child divers (kids themselves were a blast though. SO much fun), fighting/arguing couples attending together (usually one made the other sign up), panicky students who hysterically freak out during ocean dives (your other job is therapist), and the absolute worst: the macho, "extreme sport" morons who ignore your instruction (every. single. class.). Our shop also routinely overbooked classes to pack as many paying customers as possible - minus the extra divemaster support required. Leaving me too many divers to keep track of, which was dangerous.
I'm a casual ("recreational") diver and see this in instructors all the time. I really enjoy diving and want to keep it that way, and it's obvious to me the fastest way to screw that up is to become an instructor and be responsible for all the other idiot divers I see. No way man. I always tip my guides and instructors well because of all the nonsense I see they have to put up with.
i was an instructor for 20 years, it varies so much from school to school, my advice is dont stay there if you are treated badly, but no matter where you go the pay sucks for the responsibility you have
Fashion designer You won’t even get a job if you are willing to work for free
The requirements for a fashion designer are difficult: you have to totally hate women, for a start, and insist they have bodies of 10 year old boys to even look good in what you create...
Must admit I had noticed. Shame it was not the case when I was younger.
Load More Replies...Fashion Design graduate here. Yeah, don't study fashion. Study economics or business, then you can make get a job as a buyer or something for a large retail brand.
that's suicide...clothing stores have no margins, and you can't compete with brands, even if your designs are amazing. forget about getting much recognition
Load More Replies...Nonprofit sector. You’re mostly putting a bandaid on issues. You go into it wanting to help people, but far too many people are ungrateful, not willing to help them selves, or complain no matter how much you’re trying. I cannot tell you how many people have made threats even when you’ve gone well above and beyond for them. So many people abuse the system for freebies. I had people come in trying to get freebies who make over 100k a year. The pay is always [poorly] unless you’re at the executive level. It is ridiculous how much executives make compared to the workers doing 90% of the work. The CEO of my organization makes well into the six figures while we have to work 3 years to get a 3% raise on our low salary. They also devalue you constantly. You have people with master’s degrees working entry level positions being bossed around by some old lady with zero education but who’s friends with the CFO or something. You’re constantly working with a ramen noodle budget expected to come out with steak and lobster results. 9/10 volunteers are only there because they’re trying to get hours or a reference and complain a lot. You’re constantly battling other nonprofits even if you’re just trying to share resources. You can do completely different things and are just trying to refer clients back and forth so they can acess all available resources, but they’ll guard their clients like gold. The amount of shady practices that occur as well... Inflation of numbers, total lies, etc... it is really sad how many places do nothing or very minimal, but are galmorized as “doing good”.
Most non-profit companies' management exploit the enthusiasm and hard work of young people who genuinely want to make the world a better place. On the other hand, management make a lot of money for very little work. Not to mention, most non-profits are shady and opaque about their expenditure. Donors may think they are sponsoring school education for a little girl in 3rd world country, that will change her world....but in reality they may be sponsoring religious conversions....or worse, spread unrest and terrorism in that country.
I work for a quite large NGO in Belgium (which is part of an international confederation), and it's very different from what is described here. I'm guessing it's in the US ? Our working is totally transparent, the comptability is checked and approuved by an extern company. There's really no place for fraud. The gap between the lowest/highest salary is on a 2,5x basis, which means that the CEO only makes 2,5 the salary of the lowest paid employee. The pay is very decent for the sector (to be honest, it's probably because we are a 'big' NGO. May not be true in smaller organisations). Sure, sometimes you ask yourself if what you're doing really makes a change. Even when the beneficiaries are counted by the millions worldwide, what is it in comparasion to the hundreds of millions who need help ? Well, what I always try to keep in mind is that for that one person that has been helped, it makes a world of difference.
I believe that any non profit should be required to list the pay for every salaried executive on their website in order to maintain their non profit status with the IRS. I also thank every donation to another organization must be listed on their website . Most are slush funds for the executives. Total transparency must be required. Tax returns must be posted online as well!!
Can confirm. The number of nonprofits listed that way for tax benefits, versus doing good is... maybe 10 to 1, in favor of tax shelters. Got sucked in by one early in my life, never ever again. So many exist to launder money, hide money, basically *steal* money... Only people who get anything from most non-profits I know of are the people who pay themselves $1M/years to show up once a month.
Hmm, I've been working in the non-profit sector for almost 20 years. I've met some great people and have made very good money. There is a difference between a charity, which is what I believe is being described in the post, and actual non-profit membership organizations. The best people I have worked with are experts volunteering their time because they have a passion for the industry. I think most people don't understand what the term non-profit actually means. Its doesn't mean that the organization doesn't make money BTW.
Pro Wrestling.
Like a small chance of making not only WWE but any other company in general
And injuries and travel. Some people are forced to retire young
Even if you never been in the independent scene WWE has an infamous schedule and travel time.
Not to mention, very few make it into their 50's and 60's because of all the damage, they've done to their bodies.
I heard one guy took a part time job as a chef it was such hard work .. Can you smell...what The Rock...is cooking!?
Yes, but there is the chance of getting to the top. Same as in boxing. And probably it was same for gladiators in Rome. Yeah, it is shi*ty, but maybe, just maybe you will shine.
i like all the pushes to get people into stem fields specifically science. they do all those demonstrations that make smoke or foam appear and make color changes, they are like LOOK SCIENCE IS FUNSIES, when in reality its the most grueling repetitive high stress miserable work you can get plus countless industries just contract out the positions so you aren't even guaranteed benefits plus any business is first and foremost a business so you have to spend countless hours in board room meetings explaining science and why things won't work to people who think the disc drive on their computer is a drink holder
Not to mention STEM is not a career path. It encompasses many degrees and fields.
Load More Replies...If you love STEM, which I *do*, it's awesome. Humans can be a pain, but they're that way all the time in any profession, is my guess. Also, I rarely hear anyone demand an explanation other than accountants, who want to know why we can't use a cheaper alternative, and it's like, "Well, we could, but then the building falls down or the factory blows up." (I'm in medicine, but have heard people in engineering and materials science give those examples. Mine is usually, "Well, if we do this research, we can save lives!" and I hear, "Yes, but do we need to?"...)
I'd say the competition is highly gruelling,a lot of depressed people .There's a dark side to expectations but looking at it from above all of jobs do.
Oh yes, draw seven red perpendicular lines, five with transparent ink and two with green ink. And make one of them look like a kitten.
It was about designers, no? Good video! Fun and very spot on
Load More Replies...Can I make the assumption that you're talking the US? Why is it that health care is only attached to jobs? I can't understand why people want to immigrate to the US. Anywhere that causes you to declare bankrupcy and/or use up your savings/sell your house just to get some medical care, is a terrible - TERRIBLE place to live.
Nobody thinks the disc drive in their computer is a drink holder. Nobody ever thought that, because compact disc players existed long before disc drives were ever thought of. This is a stupid urban legend.
Not exactly, there was a prank email from "Microsoft", which said something like "for being a loyal customer, we upgraded your computer with a free coffee holder" and then your CD drive opened. And I guess you never worked as tech support, because you would belive that people are stupid enough. People asking what is their ID, people who cannot understand that you can type numbers in web address, people who cannot understand that if you want to go to Google page you have to type google.com in address, people who are not sure if they are in office or at home,...
Load More Replies...For all of you smart kids with advanced degree of from Top 50 colleges , don't go into consulting. You can do better. Find a line of work that is not as soul-sucking, and energy-draining. Those frequent flyer miles and free hotels, wining and dining in glamorous suits are just a smokescreen, to cover up the misery from constant travelling, networking, guaranteed overtime and no weekends are not worth it. Many people do it as a stepping stone to a real career, which is smart. Staying in consultancy for 5+ years will likely turn your life upside down.
Can confirm. It's crazy, also the worse part is that it's hard to leave the industry. Few people have the specific skill sets of a consultant, and when you apply to any other role, the company decides that they can't let you go there because few other people have the skill sets you have. I'm not even in a top consultancy or from a top university, but goddamn it is as hard getting out as it is getting in.
I think this is a widely varied role in infinite fields. I know several consultants who are doing it as a paid retirements - after 30+ years in the field, they answer phone calls for $200/hour, and can limit their number of clients to limit the calls and very rare travel. I also know many that are contract jobs, so they can switch it on and off. 4-6 months to make $100K+, then take a few months off.
Scientific research First you bust your ass in undergrad to get accepted to a good grad school. If you're like me and did biology, that means you're going to be taking the same classes and stressing out about a lot of the same stuff as pre-meds. Then you go to grad school which lasts on average 5-8 years (in the sciences). That's most or all of your 20s spent making ~$26k/year on a student stipend. But hey, at least school is free. Then after you graduate you've got your PhD and can go work, right? Not really. If you're extremely "should play the lotto" lucky, then yes, you'll get a coveted research job. If you're like the vast majority of people, however, you'll be forced to get a post-doc position. That's where you work under a professor in a lab (just like you always have) and get paid a whopping ~$40k/year. They also last for only 1-2 years, and once it's up it's time to try to get a real career job again, or, more likely, apply for yet another post-doc. People can be stuck post-doc'ing for 10+ years. This is the first real piece of the nightmare. Turns out twice as many PhDs graduate every year than there are jobs available for them in the sciences. That means there's a ton of competition all vying for the same tiny handful of professorships. "What about industry?" you say. Industry has even fewer openings and is a pipe-dream for most since they only want practical experience and skills. You're also still working under someone, unlike being a professor where you're free to explore any interest you want (kind of). So most people go for being a professor, where the average opening gets 200-300 extremely well qualified candidates. But maybe you get lucky and get your job as an assistant professor (entry level). You're now making ~$60k/year, and you better bust your ass getting tenure because if you don't meet your tenure requirements by the time you have your tenure hearing (after about 5-7 years at most places) you're fired. And the problem with that is, a typical part of tenure requirements is getting one to two R01 grants (the grant name is only relevant for biology, I have no clue what the physics/chemistry/etc. equivalents are). The R01 is a big grant, considered to be the bread and butter grant for research...too bad it's funding rate is around 10%. Go to a scientific conference and chat with people and I guarantee you will have no problem at all finding scientists with stories of applying for that grant for years with no success. Now lets say you do miraculously make it past that hurdle and get bumped up to associate professor. Now you're making ~$75k/year and things are smoother sailing. Think you can stop worrying about grants? HA! Even if you work at a university that still has real tenure (i.e., can't be fired) they probably have a clause in there about you funding your own salary through grant money. So no grants = no salary. Even better, as you have your own lab, you're also the person funding your workers' salaries. So if you lose too much grant money, you have to fire everyone. This happens all of the time, even to great labs. Finally, if you've had a successful career, then around the time you're in your 50s or 60s you'll get promoted to full professor, where you will finally make ~$100k/year. It's worth noting that scientists' work lives are stressful. Working weekends and holidays is common. Working late is very common. You screw up one detail in an experiment and you may have just thrown away months of work. You are constantly stressing out if you'll reach the next goal or not. "Will I get into grad school?", "will I finish grad school?", "will I ever get a professorship?", "will I ever get grant money?", etc. You get exposed to dangerous stuff like radiation, biohazards, chemical hazards, carcinogens, hell, I've even been in rooms that had magnet hazard signs up. Don't do science kids.
No! Do science! Just don't look at the PhD as a ticket to a job. Also, you get safety gear, just an FYI, you don't get exposed without safety equipment to those things. You can do so much if you think outside the outdated academia model.
These are a bunch of negative hurdles but there are many positive things as well to this career path. I think it is important that after your PhD and before your first postdoc you have a good reflective moment to see if it is really for you. Chances of succes and competition varies massively for each field as well. Good luck! perception-neuroscience postdoc (2nd postdoc).
Load More Replies...So that's why Mayim Bialik got a PhD, and then went back to showbiz instead of becoming a full-time scientist. Better pay, and probably steadier work.
She needed healthcare for her two kids. Seriously
Load More Replies...And if someone else discoveres "pazazium infaninanite" first, you get zero credit for your work.
But if you capture that brass ring of tenure, in Illinois, you'll get a six figure retirement pension for life!!
By that time you'll have no hair on your head and dozens of panic attacks.Worth it.
Load More Replies...Yep, studied Biology (diploma). Did some really interesting research with embryonic stem cells during my diploma thesis. When l started my PhD, l finally saw how stressful, demanding and simply not for me the whole research thing is. Dropped out and l’m now focusing on computer science. In order to have a chance in the field of scientific research, you need to be very idealistic and you need to have a very high frustration threshold. I don’t have both.
Graphic design. The whole "we're looking for a passionate, creative blah blah designer blah blah" thing is just an advertisement,especially if you're looking for a job at an advertising company. The non-graphic designers only care about the image of the company and their exposure (awards and s**t) while making graphic designers work for more hours than what was agreed, not paying them enough and generally the whole "passionate and creative" criteria is a bait. You might start as a passionate and a creative human but you'll end up a wreck eventually.
it usually is quite stressful: so may demands for "urgent" work, crazy deadlines, insane requests (fit this 10 page document of text into this 100x50pixel banner, or "make the black 'lighter' - no, I don't mean grey - just LIGHTER!" ), chasing payments, plaigerism, etc etc... However it greatly depends who your working for. Some studios treat you like garbage, some are wonderful. Freelance can be both fantastic, or soul destrying depending on the clients you have. Some in-house teams work like a factory, or are utterly tedious or toxic. Others are genuinely fantastic. I've seen almost the full gamult of this industry, and it's a mixture of luck and knowing when (if you can) to move on or say no. So honestly, from a designer and illustrator of almost two decades - yeah you'll encounter the arseholes, but it can be a genuinely rewarding, challenging vocation.
Nursing. In today’s consumer-centric world, RN stands for Refreshments and Narcotics. Overworked, understaffed, underpaid, and expected to do it all with the graces of a Chick Fil A employee. My pleasure! eye roll
Sometimes it's a thankless job but you gotta I absolutely love it. It's frustrating at times but once I can have positive effects on my patients, I consider my job done.
Thank you :-) A lot of people go in for the paycheck, not realizing it takes a degree, and specialization to get the big bucks. My mom was an RN for over 40 years, and it was rotten at times, yes, but she wouldn't undo it for the world.
Load More Replies...Wedding photographer. The day of the wedding is just the precedent of two solid weeks staring at a computer screen editing images.
Investment Banking. People talk about the fancy plane rides, expensive dinners, wild parties with your colleagues or a client. The reality of it is you're never trully off work, always on-call like a surgeon.
Works weeks are usually 60-100 hours and can be brutal if one follows another.
It's really more like working from 9AM-10PM in office and then get home to work another bit and have any given presentation ready stat. I've gone all-nighters followed by client meetings where all I have time for is a quick shower and a 7/11 coffee.
I hear being a YouTuber is pretty s**t work. Constant pressure to conform to a mysterious algorithm that's constantly changing around you, and doing or saying something that it, or the advertiser's don't like means that the plug is pulled on your wages, possibly even your whole livelihood.
I would like to do YouTube as more of a hobbby. If I make money, that’s great. But if I don’t make a lot, then whatever.
I do it as a hobby. I don't have a set schedule for uploads, so the algorithm ignores me and that's fine. It's fun to make videos, I don't want to take that fun away to make it my job.
Load More Replies...Kids might think that being a Youtuber is a cushy, fun job. Any adult knows it's not a real job.
if you get paid for it, it's a job. Also there are a lot of nice educational channels on youtube that provide amazing free content.
Load More Replies...I thought of it but I'm in no hurry to do youtube as a job. But then I hear of all these youtubers who say they're taking a long break after making videos, editing and uploading for 2 years without taking any days off. And then having to keep up a personality and not having any off days. Even if you have an off day you have to find a way to coordinate it into a watchable manner. I've even seen youtubers lose it on their fans on Twitter for not liking their videos, not getting enough subs, losing subs. They just get so immersed it's like youtube becomes their life source.
Academic. It's not super glamorous, but I hear people talking all the time about university professors sitting on their asses in an ivory tower. It's not like that at all. You spend years in grad school--in my field it takes 6-7 years for a PhD student even if you already have Masters. If you stick it out through grad school and get the doctorate, there's a good chance that no university will hire you, even if you did good work. Sometimes your particular niche research interest is out of fashion, so you're screwed. If you are lucky enough to get a tenure-track job in your field, you're constantly balancing teaching, research, writing articles and monographs, begging for funding, networking at conferences, serving on committees, reviewing other people's books, and generally trying to justify your existence to a crumbling system of higher ed that's suffering from budget cuts. Academics usually are able to work in fairly safe environments, but not always. Field work can mean diseases, parasites, and political violence. Lab work can mean back pain, repetitive motion injuries, and long-term exposure to dangerous substances. The hours alone (I'm in grad school, and I work 60-70 hours per week) grind you down.
It hurts to hear someone with tenure whining. Most academics are untenured, meaning no job security and a huge portion are now adjuncts who get brutally exploited for 2-3k a class a semester. Most work multiple jobs or at multiple universities for a pittance and have no research time, are not eligible for grants or conference funding because they aren't full time associated with the University and lets not even talk about how unwlecome independent or non university affiliated scholars are at conferences and in publications. Plus there is so much gate keeping and so many overinflated egos and getting a job is really all about who you know not the quality of your work. SO many scholars with bad reps and straight up abuse claims or plagiarism scandals are still employed at big name universities because of their networks.
This person clearly states that they're in grad school - nowhere near tenured!
Load More Replies...I have two PhDs and am currently tutoring high school kids. I couldn't hack the bullshit and a**e-kissing that was supposed to land me some crappy postdoc position. My supervisor had already picked out the one of us who was going to get her full support - and yes, that person now has a full time tenured job. The rest of us drifted back to our respective countries and tried to rebuild a life after the bullshit that Oxford had put us through.
After a PhD at Oxford?Wow ,is it that bad?How do you give hope to those you teach.Now I am scared.
Load More Replies...Musician. Everyone knows the money is s***, but people think you either starve early and give up, or you're talented and you break out. Not so. There are "normal" music jobs out there. Unfortunately, they're subject to the following constraints. Nobody who hasn't also trained for 20 years knows whether you're doing a good job. Many of them don't either. The products produced by the music industry have value; the services involved in producing those products can't easily be assigned a value. As a result, you have no leverage in pay negotiations Everyone ignores wage laws, and nobody is interested in enforcing them. The government never enforces them; there is only effective unionism in the US and UK, whereas, e.g., in Australia, musicians are represented by the same union which represents actors and journalists, which laughs at the idea of giving a [damn] about musicians. This includes things like state and federal minimum wage overall, not just the sector minimum. It's not uncommon to be making approximately $5 an hour to be working your ass off constantly without breaks. You will eventually be able to find work that pays above minimum wage. It will have nowhere near full-time hours. You will do as many unpaid hours as you do paid hours, minimum. Sometimes you will do 2x as many.
Oh lawd, Im so glad I didnt pursue this kind of work.Started out playing as a teenager and after awhile, I realized it became work and sucked any enjoyment out of playing. Now, many many Autumns from those days, I play for my own enjoyment and still love playing. Dont let something you enjoy doing bexome a job kids. Once it becomes something you *have* to do instead of something you *want* to do, its no fun anymore.
Psychologist: (Talking to a drug addict in a very low unemployment economy) Q: "So, Ralph, have you thought about getting a job?" A: "Are you kidding me? If I get a job I'll get money. If I get money I'll buy drugs." errr....
Foreign Service Officer. You are paid to live in a foreign country and meet interesting people. You get to travel. You are paid tax-free allowances. You also have to defend all government policies and practices to foreigners while keeping a straight face, even the ones you disagree with or are totally inane. You have to politely and respectfully deal with foreigners you know are lying to you, trying to rip you off, corrupt, criminal or just generally horrible. This includes foreign officials, visa applicants, business people and others. The Ambassador acts like he's the king of the world, and expects you to kiss ass, when in fact he's nothing special. Administrative regs mean allowances don't always cover genuine expenses. In most countries, locals think they can rip you off and charge you ten times the price because you're a dip. Dip plates on your car are an invitation to smash-and-grab. Offices always look like they were fitted with cast-offs from government surplus warehouse rejects. You have a fancy title but not budget for local initiatives, so you always look like a cheapskate. You're the last to know what is going on in office practices and politics, and coming back to HQ means "surprise!! everything changed while you were away!!". Genuine promotions few and far between which means competition hinges on ass-kissing, unrealistic job appraisals, and cut-throat competition with sociopaths. Postings seem to be assigned in order to make everybody miserable, with the good gigs going to people the Posting Officer wants to kiss up to. And when you come back to HQ, you realize it's even worse there.
I'm sorry but this person is whining. My parents did this my whole life, so I wanted to too. In my teens and 20's I did it. This is a job people should feel lucky to have. Sure, you'll have all the regular office politics crap like this person said, but that's just like any office job. The benefits of living in foreign countries FAR outweighs any of that other crap. Not to mention you don't have to worry about housing, or medical, or anything like that. Great job, great benefits
Game development. Work on the next AAA title? You will be one among hundreds. Indie developer? Take huge financial risks without even knowing whether you will even see your investment give any returns. The amount of work you have to do to make a game is enormous. Any mistake you make (unbalanced weapons, too much grind, pay2win, etc) will blow up in your face with huge negativity.
I am the official photographer at a famous beauty pageant and it's not as glamorized at it looks. To start off the girls barely sleep, you can always see them worn out and wearing eyebag patches at rehearsals, at the photoshoots I'm always a hot mess, I sweat, I get dirty because I have to drag around ln the floor, I run here and there, and on finals night it's a complete chaos... people running around, dressing rooms with clothes all over tha place, makeup stains and so on...
Professional sports: people have no idea how much time, effort and resources goes into competing at elite levels of any sport/esport. It is soul-sucking. Think a 50hour work week is hard? Nah fam, try living and breathing what you do. That’s why I hate that people think talent is what gets you there, but in reality those people are just extremely dedicated to their craft.
This is freaking me out can we get a list of people who love their jobs and think they're worth it
Hmmm I am a professional magician. I admit that it can contain long hours of travel time and I'm not getting rich. That said I fill blessed that I make a living doing recreational activity.
Thank you for lightening the mood after that depressing list.
Load More Replies...well this is it, I'm becoming a professional asshole. ive got no hope with any other job
I think you should. You’ll earn more money that way if you are a smart asshole.
Load More Replies...This list shows me less that these jobs suck and more how utterly broken the system in the US is.
I couldn't even bother reading through this list. Seems like all jobs are bad. Although it also seems many of these are from a country (US?) where proper wages etc doesn't seem to be a thing. I think (hope!) it's not this bad in my country, when it comes to working hours and pay.
Every job has it's donkey work. You just have to decide if it's worth putting up with for the money you make.
Load More Replies..."Hey kids! Never follow your dreams cause they'll either kill you or break you mentally. Instead pursue normal jobs that will kill you and break you mentally."
This thread is simply poisonous and useless. Where is the solution? A profession does not bring glory to us, we bring glory to our profession.
My experience has always been that the quality of the job has been based more on the people I've worked with, not on the job itself. EVERY job sucks at times. For every job that has ever existed, somebody doing it, somewhere, has burst into tears or put their fist through a wall. Or both. At the same time. But when I've had good, decent, caring people working beside me, I've survived (mostly) intact, even on the roughest days. Unfortunately, good coworkers are not something you can train for. The only way to get them is to be one. And luck. Lots and lots of luck! Also: see my comment on Capitalism.
I agree , most of the jobs would be atleast manageable if we were surrounded by good, understanding coworkers, bosses.
Load More Replies...Architect here. Went trough college, internship, all the way to leading projects. It is stressful, hard work, HUGE responsibility, people not apreciating you nor your ideas, pay should be much higher, but I do love it. I feel rush every time new project comes in, and do my best for every one. I do often feel discouraged, sometimes even dissapointed. You can't win them all, you did your best and life goes on. But the main problem with all of our jobs is that we are mainly understaffed, overworked and underpaid. It's not the job per se, it's capitalism. And I don't see how things could get better any time soon.
Can you please give me some advice? I'm still doing the course, done with half of it basically, and I'm losing my hope of getting an okay job and life. Will I even have any free time?
Load More Replies...I think this is a depressing read, for its fatalistic appeal. The generalization is not justified for all of these jobs, and often there are ways to adjust into the one or the other direction. Moreover, there is no indication here how to either leave the treadmill or how to improve the job situation. I am convinced that in most of these jobs you CAN change the world for good WITHOUT giving yourself up, although likely not at all places where you can exercise that job.
This is freaking me out can we get a list of people who love their jobs and think they're worth it
Hmmm I am a professional magician. I admit that it can contain long hours of travel time and I'm not getting rich. That said I fill blessed that I make a living doing recreational activity.
Thank you for lightening the mood after that depressing list.
Load More Replies...well this is it, I'm becoming a professional asshole. ive got no hope with any other job
I think you should. You’ll earn more money that way if you are a smart asshole.
Load More Replies...This list shows me less that these jobs suck and more how utterly broken the system in the US is.
I couldn't even bother reading through this list. Seems like all jobs are bad. Although it also seems many of these are from a country (US?) where proper wages etc doesn't seem to be a thing. I think (hope!) it's not this bad in my country, when it comes to working hours and pay.
Every job has it's donkey work. You just have to decide if it's worth putting up with for the money you make.
Load More Replies..."Hey kids! Never follow your dreams cause they'll either kill you or break you mentally. Instead pursue normal jobs that will kill you and break you mentally."
This thread is simply poisonous and useless. Where is the solution? A profession does not bring glory to us, we bring glory to our profession.
My experience has always been that the quality of the job has been based more on the people I've worked with, not on the job itself. EVERY job sucks at times. For every job that has ever existed, somebody doing it, somewhere, has burst into tears or put their fist through a wall. Or both. At the same time. But when I've had good, decent, caring people working beside me, I've survived (mostly) intact, even on the roughest days. Unfortunately, good coworkers are not something you can train for. The only way to get them is to be one. And luck. Lots and lots of luck! Also: see my comment on Capitalism.
I agree , most of the jobs would be atleast manageable if we were surrounded by good, understanding coworkers, bosses.
Load More Replies...Architect here. Went trough college, internship, all the way to leading projects. It is stressful, hard work, HUGE responsibility, people not apreciating you nor your ideas, pay should be much higher, but I do love it. I feel rush every time new project comes in, and do my best for every one. I do often feel discouraged, sometimes even dissapointed. You can't win them all, you did your best and life goes on. But the main problem with all of our jobs is that we are mainly understaffed, overworked and underpaid. It's not the job per se, it's capitalism. And I don't see how things could get better any time soon.
Can you please give me some advice? I'm still doing the course, done with half of it basically, and I'm losing my hope of getting an okay job and life. Will I even have any free time?
Load More Replies...I think this is a depressing read, for its fatalistic appeal. The generalization is not justified for all of these jobs, and often there are ways to adjust into the one or the other direction. Moreover, there is no indication here how to either leave the treadmill or how to improve the job situation. I am convinced that in most of these jobs you CAN change the world for good WITHOUT giving yourself up, although likely not at all places where you can exercise that job.
