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Obnoxious Star Wars Fandom “Gatekeeper” Is Told Off By The Co-Writer Of Star Wars Books
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Obnoxious Star Wars Fandom “Gatekeeper” Is Told Off By The Co-Writer Of Star Wars Books

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In today’s world, there is a myriad of movies, video games, and other media, each of which has a fandom—a community of like-minded people that foster passion and love for the medium.

Now, each community has its own character and personality. It’s an identity assumed by the community and can vary from inclusive and even evangelical to exclusive and (sad to say) repulsive. This identity can even be reinforced by a community if some of its members begin to deviate from what it strives to be.

This is exactly what happened recently on Twitter when a Star Wars fan came up with a definition for what a person has to have actually done to be a Star Wars fan.

Ed Powell tweeted out a specific list of things that make someone a Star Wars fan

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Ed Powell, an astrophysicist and an avid fan of Star Wars, tweeted his definition of what it means to be a true Star Wars fan. He explains that having seen the movies doesn’t actually make one a fan. What actually does is things like reading the novelizations, books, and comics, watching the animated shows, and participating in discussion groups.

This is an example of a phenomenon that the internet has come to call “gatekeeping”. It describes a fan base (or a part of it) that is exclusive and picky about who can “join the club” or even enjoy the medium. Needless to say, the Star Wars community was having none of that.

Phil “Satyros” Brucato, writer, journalist, and editor who also worked on Star Wars: Creatures of the Galaxy, stepped in on Twitter together with a number of other Internauts.

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People weren’t too happy about the “gatekeeping”, with Phil Brucato saying it best

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Brucato tweeted “Well, I’ve not only read books in the EU, I co-wrote some of them. And I think your definition of “a Star Wars fan” is [bull pies].” He continued in another tweet: The definition of ‘a Star Wars fan’ is: Someone who loves Star Wars. You don’t get to decide what that love looks like for someone else.“

A sizable number—over 15,000 right now— of people agreed with him and supported his words, leading to the tweets quickly gaining traction and going viral. This is an example of a community addressing the toxic behavior of its members.

One can play the devil’s advocate and say that Powell has a more puristic (in the positive sense) take on what it means to be a real fan of the franchise, and it’s all right to have that opinion. However, it all boiled down to how exclusive it ended up sounding to the rest of the Internet.

Of course, some people made their own lists poking fun and writing the proper definition of “Star Wars fan”

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Sergio Bicerra Descalzi
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You are a true Star Wars fan if you watched the 1978 Star Wars Holiday Special and actually liked it.

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Clavelle
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Can we stop seeing "Gets shut down by"? By the way, Star Wars is awesome.

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Elizabeth Schuyler
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Honestly the gatekeeping on the Star Wars universe just gets worse and worse. I'm sorry, but I liked TLJ and Rise of Skywalker. I'm still as much of a fan as you.

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Virgil Blue
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm a long time fan of Star Wars and thought the last two trilogy movies were as badly written as the average soap opera and a hot mess, but won't claim you don't have the right to like them. There were some nice battles and set pieces at least,.

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Fixin'Ta
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You can't be a real Star Wars fan unless you saw the original at the theater in 1977 AND later bought the vinyl LP with bits of movie audio on it AND listened to that and the soundtrack every day of your junior high life. I qualify, here. Honestly, I am sick to death of people deciding who is and who isn't a fan, what is and what isn't "acceptable" in the movies, which of the movies in the franchise are okay to like and which ones aren't, etc. etc., etc. Know what? WE'RE ALL DIFFERENT. And it's okay for some people to like some bits of the Star Wars universe that you don't. It's okay for someone to not devote their entire life to this movie franchise and still consider themselves fans. Honestly. Star Wars "fans" have ruined Star Wars far worse than Disney ever will.

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Aria
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I make jokes about being a "real fan" when it comes to fandoms, but this is stupid. I do it for comedy and satire. This damn fool does it because he lacks brain cells.

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WillemPenn
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

A real Start Wars fan thinks Kirk is better than Picard and thinks R2D2 is the best droid: p029yw7y.jpg p029yw7y.jpg

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Brian Irby
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Another formulaic "Person does/tweets/posts something controversial, gets shut down/shamed/schooled by heroic person" on boredpanda. Way to stay creative, guys.

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Dave P
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There are many different levels of fandom, you have with Star Wars the Casual Fans (like the movies, play some games, maybe read the occasional book and comic), the Film Obsessed Fans (Films and TV only), the Invested Fans (who do invest in the games and other materials but not overly so), the Hard Core Fans (Every piece of SW media is full invested and discussed, and the Pre-Disney Hard Core Fans (doesnt like the Disney SW stuff, with maybe the exception of Fallen Order game and the Mandelorian, and is a purist and defends the Old EU and will not partake in the new Disney merch, books, etc). Many types of fans, each different and unqiue and one of the great things about fandom is we all get along on our mutual interests

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Bob Smith
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I read one EU novel and thought it was badly written, half-baked drivel unworthy of the name. Am I a true fan now?

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AzureFalcon
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The ACTUAL Definition Of A SW Fan Is To Be In The Fandom! Simple.

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Miradona Balog
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I named my son Luke, because we were expecting a girl and in the pain of labour and c-section, all I could think about was Luke Skywalker (i saw the whole saga that was released by then - 2018 - in the days before i gave birth). I am a fan, but i don't know everything about SW Universe. But i do enjoy it and I do educate Luke on the origin of his name. (I am from Romania, so Luke is a fairly uncommon name here)

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Scott Lloyd
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have done all but read the new cannon books. I do not consider the new cannon to be cannon the EU books are much better and I like those.

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Catlady6000
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Saw it on opening day in my hometown theater. There were 3 people watching. We freaked from our different rows at the opening scene, where the star ship just. kept. going. 2 weeks later, the line was around the block.

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T Pink
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Seeing Episode IV in a theater in 1977 does, which I bet based on his pic not even he did.

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WillemPenn
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Assumes facts not in evidence - mainly that any women would get close enough to him for him to have time to mansplain anything. :-D (BTW don't know why you are getting downvoted, but I upvoted you).

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Carol Emory
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I've seen every Star Wars movie and every Star Wars TV special. I've watched the every animated series. And I would say I'm an original Star Wars fan because I'm highly critical when I see directors cashing in on the original trilogy's success. I will also say you are not truly a SW fan unless you were also furious when Disney bought the rights to Star Wars because they will now commercialize it to death instead of affording it the respect it and Lucas deserves. Respect to the original cast of Star Wars: Mark Hamill, Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher, Peter William Mayhew, Anthony Daniels, James Earl Jones, Kenny Baker, Frank Oz, Sir Alec Guinness and of course, George Lucas. May the Force Be With You!!

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Random Panda
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4 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Hear, hear. I am honestly confused by people who say they love Star Wars, but also like the sequel trilogy (TLJ especially), since it's so far removed from the themes of Lucas' saga. I will never forgive Disnay for throwing out Lucas' sequel script drafts, trampling over his legacy and producing sequels that essentially make the story in the preceding 6 films meaningless. Lucas made a huge mistake.

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Ed Powell
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4 years ago

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Inspired by my disgust at all the death threats directed at JJ from idiotic Reylos--in the grand universe of Star Wars stretching over 42 years, 11 movies, 5 TV shows, hundreds of novels, comics, and games, Reylo has to be the least interesting, and least important, thematic element of the whole universe--I asked myself what makes a true Star Wars fan, and I decided it was engaging with the universe in an *active* way, by extra reading or gaming or analysis or *something* that requires more thought than passive watching the movies, and I stand by that assessment, whether for Star Wars or any other fandom. As for being an "arch-gatekeeper", I accept the label with gratitude. What are universities anyway except giant gatekeepers that distinguish between those people who meet certain standards of knowledge and interest and those that do not? Having read a lot of the EU, I searched for Mr. Brucato on Amazon to see which novels he co-wrote. There were none. Thanks for the publicity.

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WillemPenn
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

A real Star Wars fan knows Emperor Reagan was a bad guy, Kirk was better than Picard, an R23PO is the best droid: p029yw7y-1.jpg p029yw7y-1.jpg

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Otis Spunkmeyer
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4 years ago

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If you are familiar with logic, then what he says makes sense. Look at the first statement: seeing the Star Wars movies does not make you a fan. This is mathematically true. Plenty of people see movies that they end up not enjoying. Think of a spouse that was dragged along because their other half really wanted to see it. So all he is saying in this statement is “just because you’ve seen the movie, that does not make you a fan. “ The next statement is, “actual Star Wars fans have done some of the following....“ he lists participating in discussions, reading the books, etc. This is also true. I’m sure plenty of fans have done that. For those of you who are following logically, nowhere in his tweet does he say “if and only if.” He did not say you are only a fan if you’ve done some of those things. Nowhere does he say that you have to participate in any those extracurricular activities to be a true fan.

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Sergio Bicerra Descalzi
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You are a true Star Wars fan if you watched the 1978 Star Wars Holiday Special and actually liked it.

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Clavelle
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Can we stop seeing "Gets shut down by"? By the way, Star Wars is awesome.

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Elizabeth Schuyler
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Honestly the gatekeeping on the Star Wars universe just gets worse and worse. I'm sorry, but I liked TLJ and Rise of Skywalker. I'm still as much of a fan as you.

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Virgil Blue
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm a long time fan of Star Wars and thought the last two trilogy movies were as badly written as the average soap opera and a hot mess, but won't claim you don't have the right to like them. There were some nice battles and set pieces at least,.

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stacy avatar
Fixin'Ta
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You can't be a real Star Wars fan unless you saw the original at the theater in 1977 AND later bought the vinyl LP with bits of movie audio on it AND listened to that and the soundtrack every day of your junior high life. I qualify, here. Honestly, I am sick to death of people deciding who is and who isn't a fan, what is and what isn't "acceptable" in the movies, which of the movies in the franchise are okay to like and which ones aren't, etc. etc., etc. Know what? WE'RE ALL DIFFERENT. And it's okay for some people to like some bits of the Star Wars universe that you don't. It's okay for someone to not devote their entire life to this movie franchise and still consider themselves fans. Honestly. Star Wars "fans" have ruined Star Wars far worse than Disney ever will.

ariateare avatar
Aria
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I make jokes about being a "real fan" when it comes to fandoms, but this is stupid. I do it for comedy and satire. This damn fool does it because he lacks brain cells.

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WillemPenn
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

A real Start Wars fan thinks Kirk is better than Picard and thinks R2D2 is the best droid: p029yw7y.jpg p029yw7y.jpg

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Brian Irby
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Another formulaic "Person does/tweets/posts something controversial, gets shut down/shamed/schooled by heroic person" on boredpanda. Way to stay creative, guys.

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Dave P
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There are many different levels of fandom, you have with Star Wars the Casual Fans (like the movies, play some games, maybe read the occasional book and comic), the Film Obsessed Fans (Films and TV only), the Invested Fans (who do invest in the games and other materials but not overly so), the Hard Core Fans (Every piece of SW media is full invested and discussed, and the Pre-Disney Hard Core Fans (doesnt like the Disney SW stuff, with maybe the exception of Fallen Order game and the Mandelorian, and is a purist and defends the Old EU and will not partake in the new Disney merch, books, etc). Many types of fans, each different and unqiue and one of the great things about fandom is we all get along on our mutual interests

bobsmith_1 avatar
Bob Smith
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I read one EU novel and thought it was badly written, half-baked drivel unworthy of the name. Am I a true fan now?

polinasemeniuk avatar
AzureFalcon
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The ACTUAL Definition Of A SW Fan Is To Be In The Fandom! Simple.

mirutzidona avatar
Miradona Balog
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I named my son Luke, because we were expecting a girl and in the pain of labour and c-section, all I could think about was Luke Skywalker (i saw the whole saga that was released by then - 2018 - in the days before i gave birth). I am a fan, but i don't know everything about SW Universe. But i do enjoy it and I do educate Luke on the origin of his name. (I am from Romania, so Luke is a fairly uncommon name here)

sidewinderscott2 avatar
Scott Lloyd
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have done all but read the new cannon books. I do not consider the new cannon to be cannon the EU books are much better and I like those.

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Catlady6000
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Saw it on opening day in my hometown theater. There were 3 people watching. We freaked from our different rows at the opening scene, where the star ship just. kept. going. 2 weeks later, the line was around the block.

tpink avatar
T Pink
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Seeing Episode IV in a theater in 1977 does, which I bet based on his pic not even he did.

reneegauthier avatar
wproctor avatar
WillemPenn
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Assumes facts not in evidence - mainly that any women would get close enough to him for him to have time to mansplain anything. :-D (BTW don't know why you are getting downvoted, but I upvoted you).

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Carol Emory
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I've seen every Star Wars movie and every Star Wars TV special. I've watched the every animated series. And I would say I'm an original Star Wars fan because I'm highly critical when I see directors cashing in on the original trilogy's success. I will also say you are not truly a SW fan unless you were also furious when Disney bought the rights to Star Wars because they will now commercialize it to death instead of affording it the respect it and Lucas deserves. Respect to the original cast of Star Wars: Mark Hamill, Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher, Peter William Mayhew, Anthony Daniels, James Earl Jones, Kenny Baker, Frank Oz, Sir Alec Guinness and of course, George Lucas. May the Force Be With You!!

thandeit avatar
Random Panda
Community Member
4 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Hear, hear. I am honestly confused by people who say they love Star Wars, but also like the sequel trilogy (TLJ especially), since it's so far removed from the themes of Lucas' saga. I will never forgive Disnay for throwing out Lucas' sequel script drafts, trampling over his legacy and producing sequels that essentially make the story in the preceding 6 films meaningless. Lucas made a huge mistake.

Load More Replies...
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Ed Powell
Community Member
4 years ago

This comment is hidden. Click here to view.

Inspired by my disgust at all the death threats directed at JJ from idiotic Reylos--in the grand universe of Star Wars stretching over 42 years, 11 movies, 5 TV shows, hundreds of novels, comics, and games, Reylo has to be the least interesting, and least important, thematic element of the whole universe--I asked myself what makes a true Star Wars fan, and I decided it was engaging with the universe in an *active* way, by extra reading or gaming or analysis or *something* that requires more thought than passive watching the movies, and I stand by that assessment, whether for Star Wars or any other fandom. As for being an "arch-gatekeeper", I accept the label with gratitude. What are universities anyway except giant gatekeepers that distinguish between those people who meet certain standards of knowledge and interest and those that do not? Having read a lot of the EU, I searched for Mr. Brucato on Amazon to see which novels he co-wrote. There were none. Thanks for the publicity.

wproctor avatar
WillemPenn
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

A real Star Wars fan knows Emperor Reagan was a bad guy, Kirk was better than Picard, an R23PO is the best droid: p029yw7y-1.jpg p029yw7y-1.jpg

Load More Replies...
spunkmeyer avatar
Otis Spunkmeyer
Community Member
4 years ago

This comment is hidden. Click here to view.

If you are familiar with logic, then what he says makes sense. Look at the first statement: seeing the Star Wars movies does not make you a fan. This is mathematically true. Plenty of people see movies that they end up not enjoying. Think of a spouse that was dragged along because their other half really wanted to see it. So all he is saying in this statement is “just because you’ve seen the movie, that does not make you a fan. “ The next statement is, “actual Star Wars fans have done some of the following....“ he lists participating in discussions, reading the books, etc. This is also true. I’m sure plenty of fans have done that. For those of you who are following logically, nowhere in his tweet does he say “if and only if.” He did not say you are only a fan if you’ve done some of those things. Nowhere does he say that you have to participate in any those extracurricular activities to be a true fan.

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