Woman Calls Her SIL And Brother “Uneducated” And Refuses To Hide Sensitive Books When They’re Over
Interview With ExpertThe past can help guide the present by showing us the error of our ways. That’s why the study of history is a never-ending process. Historians work hard to improve our understanding of the past by critically examining old texts. But many people feel that certain sensitive historical texts just shouldn’t exist. Suppressing the past might seem like a good way to protect people, but it can have the opposite effect. If we don’t experience history as a whole, how will we ever learn from it?
A woman faced this exact problem when her brother’s girlfriend objected to sensitive historical books that she had in her house. She took to Reddit to explain what happened and to find out if she was the jerk for the way she handled the situation.
Bored Panda also interviewed Professor Edgar Jones from King’s College London to get his insights on owning and displaying such sensitive historical texts.
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A woman was faced with a dilemma and forced to apologize when her future SIL took offense to her fiancé’s historical books
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The poster’s fiancé is a historian who has many historical texts at home, including a book written by a dictator, which is highly annotated for historical study and critique
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One day, the woman invited her brother and his girlfriend to her house, they stayed overnight, but the next day the GF was in a horrible mood and couldn’t wait to leave
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The woman’s brother later confronted her for having “highly inappropriate” books at home and said that “those books don’t belong in a household” after his girlfriend got offended
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The woman was angry when her brother asked her to apologize, and she called both him and his girlfriend “uneducated,” saying that the book was only a critical view of the sensitive manuscript
The author’s fiancé is a historian who owns many historical books and texts that help him learn about the past. Books that critically examine sensitive texts help us see different perspectives so that we understand the mentality of both the oppressors and the oppressed. When asked how they came to own that particular book, the woman mentioned, “It was given out by the governmental agency when getting married as a ‘Gift’. It was a special edition and all. I mean, overall, it was a compulsory lecture [at] that time.”
But the woman was asked to apologize to her SIL for owning such “inappropriate” books. Her mother kept hounding her to speak to her brother’s girlfriend, while her father found the situation hilarious. The author shared her perspective, saying, “My fiance burns for this topic. He would have LOVED to explain to her and to talk to her about why it makes her so uncomfortable. But calling me and demanding s**t is where I am not okay with things.”
The brother’s girlfriend was upset when she came across the books and found it wrong for people to own them. Professor Edgar Jones, who we interviewed, mentioned, “The critical edition of [this book] was an attempt by scholars to provide context for this radical text so that [the dictator’s] rise to power could be analyzed. We need to understand the roots of genocide to identify patterns that provide warnings for current socio-political situations. Knowledge can protect as well as be used for extreme ends. Because the text continues to inspire [some] groups and could be a source of trauma for a survivor, I would not display the book at home. [The book] is a historical source and therefore belongs in an archive or research institute.”
Historians are also supposed to honor the integrity of the historical record. They shouldn’t fabricate evidence or seek to change the past in any form. Each old text provides context for events and shines a light on the choices and decisions that were made by people before us. The American Historical Association shared this about the standards of conduct of historians, “We honor the historical record but understand that its interpretation constantly evolves as historians analyze primary documents in light of the ever-expanding body of secondary literature that places those documents in a larger context.” That’s why the woman kept mentioning that her fiancé is a historian and that it was his job to own and learn from these sensitive books.
Critically examining the past doesn’t have to be a traumatic experience; it can be enlightening. If it isn’t done, there will always be questions and a fear of the unknown. The practice of history is a defiance against forgetting the things that happened to people across the world. That’s why censorship can be so dangerous.
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One of the most recent examples of historical censorship is book banning, which is happening across the world in schools and colleges. There are many reasons for this kind of extreme action, but the idea behind it is that sensitive historical texts shouldn’t be taught to students. Just like the future SIL’s objection about the books being inappropriate, many old texts are treated as harmful.
The Ursidae Journal says this about censorship: “Liberal and conservative groups attempt to control education and what students learn by means of infiltrating the textbook publishing industry and running amuck censoring that with which they disagree. Because of teachers’ high dependence upon textbooks, these educational materials become the source of much controversy surrounding attempts to conform history to a certain set of ideals.” Controlling or banning historical books does more harm than good. It doesn’t teach students about the dangers of the past, and it certainly doesn’t help them learn from the mistakes of previous generations. Being sensitive to social issues involves holding up a lens to such texts and critically examining what they are saying.
That’s why historians add footnotes to many old texts when they are reprinted and even contradict extremist sentiments. This is what the poster had to say about the books, “It had over 3500 annotations. It is not just the book. It is a scientific piece necessary for my fiances work. If it makes people uncomfortable, that’s amazing. It’s not work that should be aspired.” She also said, “Germany takes everything surrounding that time very seriously, and nothing is allowed without contextualization. The book is not banned. It is not free to buy in its original form, tho. You can buy it in its more ‘scientific’ form.”
The woman’s post received 10k upvotes and had 1.7k comments discussing the importance of historical texts. Commenters also agreed that the woman was not a jerk for standing up for herself. How do you feel about people owing “sensitive books” like this and keeping them at home? Let us know in the comments if you have a different point of view.
Commenters sided with the woman and backed her up, saying, “people should read more of stuff they disagree with”
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Absolutely true! For some it's their only way of dealing with people - being perpetually po'd. Ought to be a technical name for the condition. Line from a comedy years ago: "It's not my fault! I have OPD!! " "Um - what's that? OPD?" "I've been officially diagnosed - Obnoxious Personality Disorder." lol. so, maybe PPS? perpetually pissed syndrome?
Load More Replies...This reminds me of when my boss was.mad that my boyfriend and I had a copy of the Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. The book doesn't sympathize with Nazi's AT ALL.
actualy how dare you know how they rose and FELL?? insane 😒
Load More Replies...My grandfather once said, 'To know the devil, you need to know his story.'
In this case I prefer the adage, "Don't go of half cocked". It sounds like one of them found the book, told the other and they both stewed on it. Possibly overnight, concocting some theory that the couple who own the place are neo-nazi scum. All while somehow forgetting the fact at least two of them are actually related and should know better. All of which could have been cleared up in a moment by asking "I'm curious why you have this book".
Load More Replies...Mein Kampf? I don't understand why the title is censored. As far as I know, the book can only be bought with a critical preface and notes, and when you buy it you have to agree that you understand that it is Nazi propaganda, half-truths, lies, demagoguery and views that are inhumane, racist and contrary to the laws of democratic states, which caused millions of deaths, and that you will use its contents for study purposes only. At least in my country, no other version is available.
I'm curious as to where you are that you have to agree to all that stuff before you can buy the book? I'm in the UK, by the way, and have never experienced anything like that, even when I bought Mein Kampf.
Load More Replies...Oh no, a history professor has a historical book from the time period of their expertise. How incredibly offensive to random couch dwellers. (I’m with the dad on this one, it’s sadly kinda funny. )
Oh the irony of being fascist over a book about fascism. You will not own this book, you will not read this book, you will not display this book in your own home. Sound vaguely familiar?
Load More Replies...The whole problem is.... lol. Ok, a little humor. Anybody who starts out that way is 87% likely to be a nitwit. :-) Starting over: A BIG part of the problem is- we do NOT TEACH anywhere near ENOUGH History in our "education" processes. Not enough, AND not "complete". The history we in the USA teach in Elementary school is the next thing to a Fairy Tale- full of half-truths and untruths - that many people NEVER grow out of. I'm convinced, personally, that this a is big part of the reason people refuse to vote in later life, or become involved in government "That stuff they taught us was all a crock.." And it is too. Any historian knows it. "History" is about 4 times longer than college graduates know, and 10 times wider. A big part of the problem is insisting on sanitizing the ugly bits. Disaster, that. So is teaching nasty parts to kids too young to integrate it. And, everybody keep in mind - the Uneducated - hate being called that- and can't believe it anyway.
Those who don't study history are doomed to repeat it. Those who do study history have to watch helplessly while others repeat it.
I best hide my copies of Mein Kampf then. First one I bought was when you had to have ID to buy a copy. I’ve read it, I wanted to know what made him tick back before he became the utterly hateful leader. I own a Bible, a Book of Mormon, a Torah, a Quran and yet I’m an atheist. Books are full of information, knowledge, insight even the ones that don’t chime with your particular way of thinking. Open your minds eh? PS Mein Kampf is pish, he didn’t write particularly well and obviously he’s a butty or three short of a picnic.
Very close to what I said up above. Reading all those ridiculous religious texts, including the Satanic Bible, and a love of science has made me the atheist I am today. Books are knowledge, like all in life you can’t appreciate the good without understanding the bad.
Load More Replies...They've always been traumatized, whether it was women wanting to vote, Mildred Jeter and Richard Loving getting married, Lenny Bruce swearing onstage, or Malala Yousafzai going to school.
Load More Replies...My house, my books. Don't like it, don't come back. I agree with the dad, OP's response was hilarious.
I had to buy this book for one of my first year university courses back in 1992 when I chose history as a minor. Worse than buying it was having to actually read it. It is definitely offensive in that it is the worst written piece of c**p I ever had to read. It was also the most expensive toilet paper I ever had to purchase. But it’s only offensive if you read it. Sitting on a bookshelf it’s just a book. The bible contains just as much BS as this does. I remember reading about some poor woman having over 800 children in that piece of garbage when I was younger and putting it down, never to be continued.
Where in the Bible is this story, with a poor woman had 800 children? Enlighten us.
Load More Replies...I'm a historian who specilizes in the civil war and Nazi germany (might seem super unrealed, but the confederates and Nazis are creepily simmular, do with this knowledge what you will), i own these books and the same thing actually happed to me! However the person who got offened was a redneck whose house was covered with the confederate flag, so I didn't really care.
Unfortunately Hitler is the main influence on Germany in the time period that OP's fiance is an expert in and reading his book is a good insight into history. And it was a critical review book too.
Ultimately we have to understand that even if someone reads Mein Kampf for nefarious reasons it is still an individuals rights to read what they want. Unless of course Ron DeSantis has his way. Then we step back into the dark ages to banning all literature not approved by the church.
Load More Replies...I own a copy of that same book and joke that Ozzy was a piker, that 'here' was the original DIary of a Madman. My Jewish girlfriend (RIP) saw it on my shelf, turned and raised an eyebrow at my "interesting reading". I told her that I read a lot of history (evident by the books on my shelf) and she was fine with that. And she lost relatives in the Holocaust. Like me, she believed that "That Book" was useful in ensuring that people like that weren't placed in power again. She didn't live to see it happening here in America.
I am reminded of what someone told me about a friend of theirs in the 1960s. The friend was an FBI agent. When visiting the agent's house, the visitor was was surprised to find books like 'The Communist Manifesto' on the agent's bookshelves. "Well", said the agent, "it's a lot easier to counter an opponent whose ideas you understand."
I don't have a copy, but I've read the book. It is, as you would expect, batshit crazy. Not the only "controversial" book I've read. It's really enlightening because is almost like a source book for some the rhetoric today...and easily recognizable if you've read it.
I read Mein Kampf way back in 1965-70. Don't remember exactly, that was a long time ago. It was readily available in the library with no bs, regular original edition with no commentary or annotations. This is the US by the way. If you want to read an annotated version that's great, I don't know if it existed back then. Maybe good for some historical context, but not a very intellectual book. Pretty easy to understand. I don't care what your excuse is: wokeness, political correctness, offensiveness, censorship is never ok and always counterproductive. Let people do their own thinking.
Sadly too many people don't educate themselves on history. And as the old saying goes, are doomed to repeat it. And here we go again. Just look at the state of the world and who is being put in power.
It's a f*****g book about Hitler, he died a long time ago who gives a f**k? Yes he was horrible but it's still history, and a book written by the worst human ever is the definition of a good source
History is often bloody and reveals the worst of humanity. Deal with it.
I have several history books, some of which are about Hitler and they sit on my bookshelf. I remember once when selling our first flat one of the prospective buyers was looking around and saw the books on Hitler and must have assumed I'm some sort of Nazi and promptly left. As despicable as he was, he had the greatest impact on human history in the last 100 years, and as we are already seeing with the younger generations they are not so aware of that period in history and so the lessons are being lost which is, I believe, contributing to some of the issues in society today. Learning about Hitler doesn't make you a Nazi, and only an ignorant fool would believe otherwise.
1. My home. Don’t like what you see? Don’t come to my house. If I had a piece of art on my wall that you think is inappropriate, fine, don’t come to MY HOUSE. 2. A historian with a historical book in his collection? SIL must be pretty ignorant not to get that correlation. I’d ask her what she knows about the books. It might be fun to see just how little she knows. I’m an atheist, I have several bibles, a Torah, the Koran and several other religious texts, including the Satanic Bible by Anton Levey. I’ve read them all, it’s why I’m an atheist, knowledge. 3. See #1. Mind your own damn business, the world would be a better place if everyone did. Also, never think for a second I owe you an apology because you’re ignorant, or because you don’t like or agree with my beliefs, or lack there of, or what I choose to read or my choice of home decor.
HARD NTA that is the proper response to call out that ignorance and childish behavior.
Forgotten History is repeated. A good example is the adults forming cults/groups to have books, they find offensive, banned from schools and Libraries. No different than burning them by Third Reich. Who found certain books offensive.
As a history buff, not a historian, I’m appalled and sickened by the number of books banned, burned, libraries torn to the ground with ancient contents destroyed because someone sacked a city and decided they had nothing important to say. Imagine the things we could know now if this hadn’t been a pretty common practice.
Load More Replies...So mum is terrified of family rifts and wants everyone to turn the other cheek all the time? Well, does that sound healthy in any way, shape or form to anyone? That's just toxic. A disagreement doesn't necessarily leads to a rift and if mum is afraid of that, there is something else going on in the family dynamics. As for OP, it's your house, your rules. If he doesn't like it, well, that's a pity, but there it is. As for the girlfriend, maybe an eye-test?
My mother was like that, but only to me. As the 4th of 5 children I couldn't do or say anything that might cause an argument and stop them visiting her. I, on the other hand, lived within walking distance so there was no need not to be rude to me as I was always there. I don't do 'peace keeping' now that she, sadly, is no longer with us. Re the GF, she obviously isn't going to be visiting again, so that's a result, lol. Maybe don't go snooping at other people's books when you're invited over. I don't care how big the books are, I doubt she could see the titles unless she went looking.
Load More Replies...I‘m German and after reading this twice I still don’t understand what the issue was
What is a sensitive book? Is it any book you disagree with the author(s)? This like political parties that are amazed there are opinions and beeliefs different from theirs.
I haven't read this particular book yet and may never do so. I would keep it where I kept my other books on one of my shelves. I like to investigate all aspects of History, good or bad. I never find anything I have read, yet, to be offensive. If I haven't read a particular book then I feel that I have no right to express an opinion on that book no matter who wrote it. I have a book of poetry by Leonard Cohen that has the word Hitler in the title and people have told me that the book is offensive. If they had looked at the book and read some of it, perhaps, they would find that he doesn't glorify the Little Dictator. ( See the Charlie Chaplin movie of that name) The title of a book may not give a inkling of what is inside and if just the title puts you off the so be it. I think the politics and his other rantings in his books will be repulsive. Of course I am going on the opinions of others. I will make my own mind up when and if I decide to read it.
I read that garbage in high school. It just bored me and made very anti fascist. I'm a history geek big time. I would have loved to be a academic historian. But yeah ignorance of history is why we keep screwing up.
This Period of history (Germany 1930-1960/rise of the Nazis) is literally one of the things I learned in modern history in year 11. Really interesting to learn about.
I love how it's like "My mum was angry. My dad thought it was hilarious." Also WTF they know what he does for a living!
If we don't learn from the past then we repeat those mistakes. Honestly that book is offensive, but so is the Bible to some and the Koran, The art of war, catcher in the rye, and numerous other books. But while we find them offensive wide reading is important to understanding and understanding means less hate and hopefully less personally affronted by other people's view.
Your house and your stuff are no business of theirs. Tell them to stay home. Who wants small minded people like that around anyway!
If real, genuine historians don't study, review, and contextualize the atrocious ideas of that time, then the only context will come from people who fetishize it. Fiancé is providing a necessary service for the morality of the entire world.
My mother's uncle was an architect and studied in the Bauhaus school in Weimar in the late 30's. They had no children so my mother inherited everything in the 90's. As we moved away when I was a child , lots of things remained in his cabinet, nobody touched his stuff for years. The other day I was going through his stuff , I'm an architect too and was looking for old projects, notes and personal work related stuff, and found "the book" OP talks about, original édition, German, as new. Since then we don't know what to do with it. It's unreadable, the gothic writing is difficult to decipher , and my German is basic. I am against destroying books, my mother would like to throw it away. For the moment it stays where it is, well hidden between textbooks, engineering manuals and project drawings. I really don't know what to do.
Were the offended ones Jewish? That's the only reason I'd remove the books, even then I wouldn't remove them, maybe put them on a higher shelf. I'd just tell them it's all in the context (i e it isn't the original, it's a critical review of the books) and if they don't like it, don't come over.
The brother is whipped, he's only saying something because his gf was offended. You owe no one an apology, your brother is a jerk, and the gf is a whiny child.. I hate fake outrage, especially because they are uneducated...
Her mother has figured it out. The gf is looking for excuses to separate the brother from his family. That doesn’t mean she should apologize or make changes to keep the peace though.
NTA and I would invite the brother and his gf to never come back to my home. They are the one's being inconsiderate prixs after OP was kind enough to give them a place to lay their head. I have two cats and if someone came over and asked me to put my cats in another room while they were there it would be a short conversation as the door would be slammed in their face and I certainly wouldn't worry if I was TA.
uhhhhhh the argument that person made against The Body Keeps the Score is.... bizarre.
How is it bizarre? I know a lot of folks in therapeutic communities who feel this way.
Load More Replies...Forgot to add. Is seems he is trying to score points with the girlfriend.
Load More Replies...Absolutely true! For some it's their only way of dealing with people - being perpetually po'd. Ought to be a technical name for the condition. Line from a comedy years ago: "It's not my fault! I have OPD!! " "Um - what's that? OPD?" "I've been officially diagnosed - Obnoxious Personality Disorder." lol. so, maybe PPS? perpetually pissed syndrome?
Load More Replies...This reminds me of when my boss was.mad that my boyfriend and I had a copy of the Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. The book doesn't sympathize with Nazi's AT ALL.
actualy how dare you know how they rose and FELL?? insane 😒
Load More Replies...My grandfather once said, 'To know the devil, you need to know his story.'
In this case I prefer the adage, "Don't go of half cocked". It sounds like one of them found the book, told the other and they both stewed on it. Possibly overnight, concocting some theory that the couple who own the place are neo-nazi scum. All while somehow forgetting the fact at least two of them are actually related and should know better. All of which could have been cleared up in a moment by asking "I'm curious why you have this book".
Load More Replies...Mein Kampf? I don't understand why the title is censored. As far as I know, the book can only be bought with a critical preface and notes, and when you buy it you have to agree that you understand that it is Nazi propaganda, half-truths, lies, demagoguery and views that are inhumane, racist and contrary to the laws of democratic states, which caused millions of deaths, and that you will use its contents for study purposes only. At least in my country, no other version is available.
I'm curious as to where you are that you have to agree to all that stuff before you can buy the book? I'm in the UK, by the way, and have never experienced anything like that, even when I bought Mein Kampf.
Load More Replies...Oh no, a history professor has a historical book from the time period of their expertise. How incredibly offensive to random couch dwellers. (I’m with the dad on this one, it’s sadly kinda funny. )
Oh the irony of being fascist over a book about fascism. You will not own this book, you will not read this book, you will not display this book in your own home. Sound vaguely familiar?
Load More Replies...The whole problem is.... lol. Ok, a little humor. Anybody who starts out that way is 87% likely to be a nitwit. :-) Starting over: A BIG part of the problem is- we do NOT TEACH anywhere near ENOUGH History in our "education" processes. Not enough, AND not "complete". The history we in the USA teach in Elementary school is the next thing to a Fairy Tale- full of half-truths and untruths - that many people NEVER grow out of. I'm convinced, personally, that this a is big part of the reason people refuse to vote in later life, or become involved in government "That stuff they taught us was all a crock.." And it is too. Any historian knows it. "History" is about 4 times longer than college graduates know, and 10 times wider. A big part of the problem is insisting on sanitizing the ugly bits. Disaster, that. So is teaching nasty parts to kids too young to integrate it. And, everybody keep in mind - the Uneducated - hate being called that- and can't believe it anyway.
Those who don't study history are doomed to repeat it. Those who do study history have to watch helplessly while others repeat it.
I best hide my copies of Mein Kampf then. First one I bought was when you had to have ID to buy a copy. I’ve read it, I wanted to know what made him tick back before he became the utterly hateful leader. I own a Bible, a Book of Mormon, a Torah, a Quran and yet I’m an atheist. Books are full of information, knowledge, insight even the ones that don’t chime with your particular way of thinking. Open your minds eh? PS Mein Kampf is pish, he didn’t write particularly well and obviously he’s a butty or three short of a picnic.
Very close to what I said up above. Reading all those ridiculous religious texts, including the Satanic Bible, and a love of science has made me the atheist I am today. Books are knowledge, like all in life you can’t appreciate the good without understanding the bad.
Load More Replies...They've always been traumatized, whether it was women wanting to vote, Mildred Jeter and Richard Loving getting married, Lenny Bruce swearing onstage, or Malala Yousafzai going to school.
Load More Replies...My house, my books. Don't like it, don't come back. I agree with the dad, OP's response was hilarious.
I had to buy this book for one of my first year university courses back in 1992 when I chose history as a minor. Worse than buying it was having to actually read it. It is definitely offensive in that it is the worst written piece of c**p I ever had to read. It was also the most expensive toilet paper I ever had to purchase. But it’s only offensive if you read it. Sitting on a bookshelf it’s just a book. The bible contains just as much BS as this does. I remember reading about some poor woman having over 800 children in that piece of garbage when I was younger and putting it down, never to be continued.
Where in the Bible is this story, with a poor woman had 800 children? Enlighten us.
Load More Replies...I'm a historian who specilizes in the civil war and Nazi germany (might seem super unrealed, but the confederates and Nazis are creepily simmular, do with this knowledge what you will), i own these books and the same thing actually happed to me! However the person who got offened was a redneck whose house was covered with the confederate flag, so I didn't really care.
Unfortunately Hitler is the main influence on Germany in the time period that OP's fiance is an expert in and reading his book is a good insight into history. And it was a critical review book too.
Ultimately we have to understand that even if someone reads Mein Kampf for nefarious reasons it is still an individuals rights to read what they want. Unless of course Ron DeSantis has his way. Then we step back into the dark ages to banning all literature not approved by the church.
Load More Replies...I own a copy of that same book and joke that Ozzy was a piker, that 'here' was the original DIary of a Madman. My Jewish girlfriend (RIP) saw it on my shelf, turned and raised an eyebrow at my "interesting reading". I told her that I read a lot of history (evident by the books on my shelf) and she was fine with that. And she lost relatives in the Holocaust. Like me, she believed that "That Book" was useful in ensuring that people like that weren't placed in power again. She didn't live to see it happening here in America.
I am reminded of what someone told me about a friend of theirs in the 1960s. The friend was an FBI agent. When visiting the agent's house, the visitor was was surprised to find books like 'The Communist Manifesto' on the agent's bookshelves. "Well", said the agent, "it's a lot easier to counter an opponent whose ideas you understand."
I don't have a copy, but I've read the book. It is, as you would expect, batshit crazy. Not the only "controversial" book I've read. It's really enlightening because is almost like a source book for some the rhetoric today...and easily recognizable if you've read it.
I read Mein Kampf way back in 1965-70. Don't remember exactly, that was a long time ago. It was readily available in the library with no bs, regular original edition with no commentary or annotations. This is the US by the way. If you want to read an annotated version that's great, I don't know if it existed back then. Maybe good for some historical context, but not a very intellectual book. Pretty easy to understand. I don't care what your excuse is: wokeness, political correctness, offensiveness, censorship is never ok and always counterproductive. Let people do their own thinking.
Sadly too many people don't educate themselves on history. And as the old saying goes, are doomed to repeat it. And here we go again. Just look at the state of the world and who is being put in power.
It's a f*****g book about Hitler, he died a long time ago who gives a f**k? Yes he was horrible but it's still history, and a book written by the worst human ever is the definition of a good source
History is often bloody and reveals the worst of humanity. Deal with it.
I have several history books, some of which are about Hitler and they sit on my bookshelf. I remember once when selling our first flat one of the prospective buyers was looking around and saw the books on Hitler and must have assumed I'm some sort of Nazi and promptly left. As despicable as he was, he had the greatest impact on human history in the last 100 years, and as we are already seeing with the younger generations they are not so aware of that period in history and so the lessons are being lost which is, I believe, contributing to some of the issues in society today. Learning about Hitler doesn't make you a Nazi, and only an ignorant fool would believe otherwise.
1. My home. Don’t like what you see? Don’t come to my house. If I had a piece of art on my wall that you think is inappropriate, fine, don’t come to MY HOUSE. 2. A historian with a historical book in his collection? SIL must be pretty ignorant not to get that correlation. I’d ask her what she knows about the books. It might be fun to see just how little she knows. I’m an atheist, I have several bibles, a Torah, the Koran and several other religious texts, including the Satanic Bible by Anton Levey. I’ve read them all, it’s why I’m an atheist, knowledge. 3. See #1. Mind your own damn business, the world would be a better place if everyone did. Also, never think for a second I owe you an apology because you’re ignorant, or because you don’t like or agree with my beliefs, or lack there of, or what I choose to read or my choice of home decor.
HARD NTA that is the proper response to call out that ignorance and childish behavior.
Forgotten History is repeated. A good example is the adults forming cults/groups to have books, they find offensive, banned from schools and Libraries. No different than burning them by Third Reich. Who found certain books offensive.
As a history buff, not a historian, I’m appalled and sickened by the number of books banned, burned, libraries torn to the ground with ancient contents destroyed because someone sacked a city and decided they had nothing important to say. Imagine the things we could know now if this hadn’t been a pretty common practice.
Load More Replies...So mum is terrified of family rifts and wants everyone to turn the other cheek all the time? Well, does that sound healthy in any way, shape or form to anyone? That's just toxic. A disagreement doesn't necessarily leads to a rift and if mum is afraid of that, there is something else going on in the family dynamics. As for OP, it's your house, your rules. If he doesn't like it, well, that's a pity, but there it is. As for the girlfriend, maybe an eye-test?
My mother was like that, but only to me. As the 4th of 5 children I couldn't do or say anything that might cause an argument and stop them visiting her. I, on the other hand, lived within walking distance so there was no need not to be rude to me as I was always there. I don't do 'peace keeping' now that she, sadly, is no longer with us. Re the GF, she obviously isn't going to be visiting again, so that's a result, lol. Maybe don't go snooping at other people's books when you're invited over. I don't care how big the books are, I doubt she could see the titles unless she went looking.
Load More Replies...I‘m German and after reading this twice I still don’t understand what the issue was
What is a sensitive book? Is it any book you disagree with the author(s)? This like political parties that are amazed there are opinions and beeliefs different from theirs.
I haven't read this particular book yet and may never do so. I would keep it where I kept my other books on one of my shelves. I like to investigate all aspects of History, good or bad. I never find anything I have read, yet, to be offensive. If I haven't read a particular book then I feel that I have no right to express an opinion on that book no matter who wrote it. I have a book of poetry by Leonard Cohen that has the word Hitler in the title and people have told me that the book is offensive. If they had looked at the book and read some of it, perhaps, they would find that he doesn't glorify the Little Dictator. ( See the Charlie Chaplin movie of that name) The title of a book may not give a inkling of what is inside and if just the title puts you off the so be it. I think the politics and his other rantings in his books will be repulsive. Of course I am going on the opinions of others. I will make my own mind up when and if I decide to read it.
I read that garbage in high school. It just bored me and made very anti fascist. I'm a history geek big time. I would have loved to be a academic historian. But yeah ignorance of history is why we keep screwing up.
This Period of history (Germany 1930-1960/rise of the Nazis) is literally one of the things I learned in modern history in year 11. Really interesting to learn about.
I love how it's like "My mum was angry. My dad thought it was hilarious." Also WTF they know what he does for a living!
If we don't learn from the past then we repeat those mistakes. Honestly that book is offensive, but so is the Bible to some and the Koran, The art of war, catcher in the rye, and numerous other books. But while we find them offensive wide reading is important to understanding and understanding means less hate and hopefully less personally affronted by other people's view.
Your house and your stuff are no business of theirs. Tell them to stay home. Who wants small minded people like that around anyway!
If real, genuine historians don't study, review, and contextualize the atrocious ideas of that time, then the only context will come from people who fetishize it. Fiancé is providing a necessary service for the morality of the entire world.
My mother's uncle was an architect and studied in the Bauhaus school in Weimar in the late 30's. They had no children so my mother inherited everything in the 90's. As we moved away when I was a child , lots of things remained in his cabinet, nobody touched his stuff for years. The other day I was going through his stuff , I'm an architect too and was looking for old projects, notes and personal work related stuff, and found "the book" OP talks about, original édition, German, as new. Since then we don't know what to do with it. It's unreadable, the gothic writing is difficult to decipher , and my German is basic. I am against destroying books, my mother would like to throw it away. For the moment it stays where it is, well hidden between textbooks, engineering manuals and project drawings. I really don't know what to do.
Were the offended ones Jewish? That's the only reason I'd remove the books, even then I wouldn't remove them, maybe put them on a higher shelf. I'd just tell them it's all in the context (i e it isn't the original, it's a critical review of the books) and if they don't like it, don't come over.
The brother is whipped, he's only saying something because his gf was offended. You owe no one an apology, your brother is a jerk, and the gf is a whiny child.. I hate fake outrage, especially because they are uneducated...
Her mother has figured it out. The gf is looking for excuses to separate the brother from his family. That doesn’t mean she should apologize or make changes to keep the peace though.
NTA and I would invite the brother and his gf to never come back to my home. They are the one's being inconsiderate prixs after OP was kind enough to give them a place to lay their head. I have two cats and if someone came over and asked me to put my cats in another room while they were there it would be a short conversation as the door would be slammed in their face and I certainly wouldn't worry if I was TA.
uhhhhhh the argument that person made against The Body Keeps the Score is.... bizarre.
How is it bizarre? I know a lot of folks in therapeutic communities who feel this way.
Load More Replies...Forgot to add. Is seems he is trying to score points with the girlfriend.
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