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In New Declaration, Vatican Says Surrogacy Violates The “Dignity” Of The Mother And Child
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In New Declaration, Vatican Says Surrogacy Violates The “Dignity” Of The Mother And Child

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The Vatican condemned sex change operations and surrogacy, equating them with abortion and euthanasia. The declaration reinforces the traditional doctrine on gender and reproduction while demeaning LGBTQQIP2SA (abbreviated LGBTQ+) people’s dignity.

On Monday (April 8), the Vatican, officially known as the Vatican City State, an independent city-state enclaved within Rome, Italy, which serves as the headquarters of the Roman Catholic Church, declared that sex change operations and surrogacy violated God’s plan for human life.

Highlights
  • The Vatican's "Infinite Dignity'" declaration equates surrogacy & sex change operations with abortion.
  • Pope Francis approved the 20-page document after 5 years of development.
  • The declaration rejects "gender theory," stating God created distinct biological sexes.

The Vatican’s doctrine office issued “Infinite Dignity,” a 20-page declaration that has been in the works for five years, The Associated Press (AP) reported.

After substantial revision in recent months, it was approved on March 25 by Pope Francis, who ordered its publication.

Pope Francis is the Pope and head of the Catholic Church, the bishop of Rome, and the sovereign of the Vatican City State.

The Vatican equated sex change operations and surrogacy with abortion and euthanasia

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In its most eagerly anticipated section, the AP stated that the Vatican repeated its rejection of “gender theory,” or the idea that one’s gender can be changed. 

Moreover, the declaration mentioned that God created man and woman as biologically different, separate beings, and it said they must not tinker with that plan or try to “make oneself God.”

A reminder that it is the scientific consensus that sex and gender are separate issues.

A person’s sex is used as a classification, generally as male or female, according to the reproductive organs and functions that derive from the chromosomal complement.

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Gender refers to a person’s self-representation as male or female (or a non-binary gender) or how that person is responded to by social institutions on the basis of the individual’s gender presentation.

A person might feel like their gender identity differs from the sex they were assigned at birth, leading to gender dysphoria and sometimes, to identifying as transgender.

Gender-affirming medical treatments and surgeries are available globally to help a transgender person with their often life-debilitating gender dysphoria. The treatments can help a person transition from one gender to another.

Academic research has proven that gender is a Westernized concept that has spread to other civilizations through colonization

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Nevertheless, the Vatican has now expressed a strong stance against these forms of treatments, which have often been considered life-saving to trans people, as the document reads: “It follows that any sex-change intervention, as a rule, risks threatening the unique dignity the person has received from the moment of conception.”

According to the AP, the declaration distinguished between transitioning surgeries, which it rejected, and “genital abnormalities” that are present at birth or that develop later. Those abnormalities can be “resolved” with the help of health care professionals, it said.

It is possible that the Vatican may have been referring to people who are born intersex, individuals born with any of several sex characteristics, including chromosome patterns, gonads, or genitals that, according to the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights, “do not fit typical binary notions of male or female bodies.”

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Oxford Academic stated that many intersex people experience nonconsensual surgery during childhood to alter their genitalia and other anatomy. Some intersex people who have experienced nonconsensual surgery develop subsequent mistrust in medical providers and avoidance of healthcare.

Moreover, the Pope’s document has been rumored to exist since 2019, and this was confirmed in recent weeks by the new prefect of the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith, Argentine Cardinal Víctor Manuel Fernández, a close confidante to Pope Francis, the AP reported.

The Vatican issued “Infinite Dignity,” a 20-page declaration where it repeated its rejection of “gender theory,” or the idea that one’s gender can be changed

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While rejecting gender theory, the document took pointed aim at countries, including many in Africa, that criminalize homosexuality. It echoed Pope Francis’ assertion in a 2023 interview with the AP that “being homosexual is not a crime,” making the assertion now part of the Vatican’s doctrinal teaching.

Gender theory is the study of what is understood as masculine and/or feminine and/or queer behavior in any given context, community, society, or field of study (including, but not limited to, literature, history, sociology, education, applied linguistics, religion, health sciences, philosophy, cultural studies),  Allyson Jule of the Gender Studies Institute at Trinity Western University, Canada, wrote in the Encyclopedia of Quality of Life and Well-Being Research.

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The Vatican’s new document denounced “as contrary to human dignity the fact that, in some places, not a few people are imprisoned, tortured, and even deprived of the good of life solely because of their sexual orientation.”

According to the AP, the document was something of a repackaging of previously articulated Vatican positions. It restated the well-known Catholic doctrine opposing abortion and euthanasia, and it added to the list some of the Pope’s main concerns, including the threats to human dignity posed by poverty, war, human trafficking, and forced migration.

The Pope further emphasized that surrogacy violated both the dignity of the surrogate mother and the child. 

Surrogacy is an arrangement, often supported by a legal agreement, whereby a woman agrees to delivery/labor on behalf of another couple or person who will become the child’s parent(s) after birth.

The legal framework for surrogacy varies depending on the country. In Poland, Italy, France, Germany, Austria, Sweden, Norway, and Switzerland, surrogacy is prohibited by law.

Nevertheless, flexible laws in other countries have reportedly led to the exploitation of impoverished women, among other ethical concerns.

However, the Vatican’s criticism of surrogacy focused on the resulting child, with the new declaration stating: “The child has the right to have a fully human (and not artificially induced) origin and to receive the gift of a life that manifests both the dignity of the giver and that of the receiver.

“Considering this, the legitimate desire to have a child cannot be transformed into a ‘right to a child’ that fails to respect the dignity of that child as the recipient of the gift of life.”

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The Vatican reportedly published its most articulated position on gender in 2019, when the Congregation for Catholic Education rejected the idea that people can choose or change their genders and insisted on the complementarity of biologically male and female sex organs to create new life.

The Vatican is against surrogacy because it believes children have “the right to have a fully human (and not artificially induced) origin” 

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It called gender fluidity a symptom of the “confused concept of freedom” and “momentary desires” that characterize post-modern culture, the AP reported.

The new declaration comes from the more authoritative Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith, quoted from the 2019 education document while tempering the tone.

As a result, the new document didn’t repurpose the 1986 language of a previous doctrinal document saying that homosexual people deserve to be treated with dignity and respect but that homosexual actions are “intrinsically disordered.”

Pope Francis’ stance on LGBTQ+ issues has been divergent, as throughout his papacy, the 87-year-old sovereign has ministered to trans-Catholics and insisted that the Catholic Church must welcome all children of God.

However, the Argentinan native has denounced gender theory as the “worst danger” facing humanity today, saying it is an “ugly ideology” that threatens to cancel out God-given differences between man and woman. 

The AP reported that the Pope blasted, in particular, what he called the “ideological colonization” of the West in the developing world, where development aid is sometimes conditioned on adopting Western ideas about gender and reproductive health.

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The new declaration further read: “It needs to be emphasized that biological sex and the sociocultural role of sex (gender) can be distinguished but not separated.”

The notion that gender and sex are separate entities is not, in fact, a Westernized ideology. On the contrary, academic research has proven that gender is a Westernized concept that has been forced upon other civilizations through colonization.

Oyeronke Oyewumi has exemplified this through her The Invention of Women book, which studied the Yoruba people of West Africa, who do not use a vocabulary to distinguish people by their gender but rather by their ages and status in their tribe.

Other examples include Indigenous societies around the globe that still retain their own long-established traditions for third, fourth, fifth, or more genders.

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Tams21
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

After the shocking scandals of the catholic church they have zero moral authority over anyone.

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Susie Elle
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Some would say sexual relations with minors is also a threat to human dignity, but I guess that's none of my business.

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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Interesting, how a sex change operation is an insult to the dignity of a human that was created just like God wants them to be; and then surgeries on "genital abnormities" are totally ok. How can the church claim that God knows only 2 genders and then dismiss intersex people as a "mistake"? I'm a Christian person and I wouldn't dare to decide what God claims to be normal or not. I do believe that God loves every person, no matter if straight or queer and wants us to be happy.

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3 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I’m not religious, but even I know his son was certainly very accepting of those whom society rejected, so I would hope he got some of that quality from his dad.

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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I believe that the Vatican is a grave threat to human dignity

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Darius S. (he/him) cis/grey
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

In abrahamic religions , apparently humans only have dignity because people are made in the image of g-d. Dignity created by the thing that created sin which was a sinful thing..the original sin( not Eve & Adam, not Lucifer being kicked out of heaven).. apparently we maintain dignity by standing up against sin, which is one of g-d's creations made in the image of g-d. This seems mutually exclusive especially since the afterlife gives no one dignity, you're either in hell or removed of free will so there is no sin in heaven ( where it actually started ) and without free will there is promised unchosen eternal adoration of the greatest ego ever.

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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

he's on a roll, last month it was Ukraine should have "the courage to surrender"..

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LokisLilButterknife
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Ah yes, the Catholic Church has some real gall saying this after all the horrible sexual abuses scandals. Many would say that covering up years of sexual abuse of minor is a threat against basic human dignity. What a bunch of hate-filled hypocrites.

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You sure are an angry little twat, aren't you? All of your comments are putting someone down. You sure are a loser.

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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Thank you Bored Panda for a genuinely interesting article and for reaffirming my belief (Oh the Irony) that organised religion is a pile of hogwash. I would also argue he's a bit out of touch with what presents the 'worst danger' to humanity. Egotistical Billionaires, Mega Corporations, Volatile Religion, Political conflict and Climate (In no particular order) - All present a markedly bigger risk to the world than what an individual chooses as their pronouns and what's going on in their pants.

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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Who downvoted u??? Have an upvote. What you said is a good example of hypocrisy which should be judged by severity not rank

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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So you go out of your way to protect child abusers but then deny trans/non binary/intersex people and are constantly against contraception and I would assume other forms of sexual healthcare. And as an aside, you don't pay tax yet demand the poorest donate what they can to you.

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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Take this as a warning that, regardless of how “liberal” Pope Francis may seem there are simply some things the church will never, ever budge on. Which is their right but let’s also heed the reminder that we should not be making public policy based on religion.

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Mariaf
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

None of the catholic priests who raped kids were surrogates or transgender. None of the catholic nuns who committed atrocious crimes against unwedded teen mothers and their babies were either surrogates or transgender. But yeah, dignity....

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3 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Sickening. And naturally his precious document of cultural suffocation also has exceptions for mutilating intersex infants and toddlers. Because "God's plan" is, was and always has been "what the church wants people to do and damned be the consequences to said people".

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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Wow, what a hate-filled, utter ªsshole that one is. Stupid f****r never heard of Androgen resistance syndrome, or other intersex conditions. This whole institution fills me with disgust

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Tamra
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Expect that this declaration will have a definite ripple effect among Catholic families, and how they deal with their transgender children, or those children still discovering and figuring out their gender orientation. It boggles my mind that an old man can make such proclamations for the entirety of a religion.

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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It boggles my mind that someone who wond be around to see it gets to decide things for generations he has little connection with. His point of view and current experiences in today's life would be vastly different from those who will be shaping the future. Why should he get so much say in what is right for them?

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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It amazes me that people still do what the church says. It's all just a scam for money and power.

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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own. Thomas Jefferson

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Teaberry Allynne
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What about the virgin birth of Jesus? It's kind of like Mary was artificially inseminated. Jesus did not have a "fully human" origin, as presented in this declaration. I guess it's different, though, because God.

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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

“The child has the right to have a fully human (and not artificially induced) origin and to receive the gift of a life that manifests both the dignity of the giver and that of the receiver,” the document said. “Considering this, the legitimate desire to have a child cannot be transformed into a ‘right to a child’ that fails to respect the dignity of that child as the recipient of the gift of life.” No, it doesn't make sense to me either.

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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"Dignity"? From a scumbag that protects pedopriests raping children? From an enabler of the fascist Argentine regime, giving "absolution" to helicopter pilots and crew after they threw political dissidents into the Atlantic Ocean from a thousand metres in the air?

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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So, remind us, how many kids does this bloke have to speak with such certainty about parenting?

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Scott Rackley
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I didn't know surrogate babies were not fully human. Learn something every day I guess.

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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Funny how anyone thinks I should listen to the rules of some old guy on a different continent

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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is the same church that also covered up years of horrible sexual abuse against minor, so it’s sadly not surprising.

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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Somebody should lock the door at the Vatican - with the Pope inside. He is totally out of touch with the real world. No wonder attending church is at an all time low.

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Jenny Mason
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The Vatican is against surrogacy because it believes children have “the right to have a fully human (and not artificially induced) origin” Does this mean they are against IVF and other forms of assisted conception?

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der sebbl
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"Pope Francis is the Pope" Wow, such quality writing.... Back to topic: nobody should care what the catholic church has to say

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Bernd Herbert
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

One thing is for sure, that can be seen throughout the centuries the catholic church has existed, and that is that the pope has always talked rubbish. Why would anyone care what that archaic and backwards institution has to say?

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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Umm, they claim to be in favor of procreation, but then condemn surrogacy, which is the only option for a significant number of couples? Such fine logic here...

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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

They prefer adoption as a method rather than altering genetic processes , there are millions of children up for adoption the church believes that these couples unable to have children are present to support these children

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Colin Matthews
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3 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

How about you stick to your weirdo religion? If you are against surrogacy might want to have a glance at the Jesus birth story

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Tabitha
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

No Frankie, say it isn’t so! We all like you because you’re so open and understanding of how the REAL world operates. Don’t fall back into the Dark Ages again. Come back into the 21st Century where ALL the rest of us have to live—-and that includes people trapped in the wrong gender.

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Nikole
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I guess it was all just a pipe dream… Pope dream? But yeah, this is super f*****g disappointing, however, ultimately not surprising.

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Teaberry Allynne
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What about the virgin birth of Jesus? It's kind of like Mary was artificially inseminated. Jesus did not have a "fully human" origin as defined in this declaration. I guess it's different, because God.

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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Goodness, can‘t they stop already? They were on a good path for a second and now this.

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me myself and i (She/Her)
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

tbh couldn’t being born in the wrong body be accounted as a mistake if intersex is??? Smh

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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The way I see it. God is in control of everything. So God CHOSE to make theor children trans. And for them to have a different realationship with their bodies.

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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yeah, and a rich protected virgin (supposedly!) who has never lived with a woman, condones child rape, protects the rapists, and welshes on their debts (owes aboriginal residential school victims their legally adjudged money) knows aaaallll about morality. Yeah.

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Diana Lucas
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Mary was a surrogate mother to Jesus! No wonder religion is dying. They can't even recognize their own hypocrisy any longer when it's so blatant it stings.

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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Who is one to tinker with god's plan? Who is one who will go against god when one is shortsighted and unable to read documents? One must forgo corrective lenses, for if one elects to see clearly, one has declared that one is above god. Fecking hypocrite. His mother should have swallowed him.

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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Giving birth. Blood, p**s, poop, flesh tearing, screams, the stench and baby covered in goo, if either one of the participants even survive for longer than a few days. No surrogacy or adoption could never be as dignified because no death and goo, or..?

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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

He is the end institutional result of eugenics’ raison d’etre. And vice versa.

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Darius S. (he/him) cis/grey
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

" Reading the bible is the best cure for christianity".. I used to be a sunday school teacher, I have engaged on an intellectual level with christianity... I don't need more proof of it being b.s.

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Tams21
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

After the shocking scandals of the catholic church they have zero moral authority over anyone.

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Susie Elle
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Some would say sexual relations with minors is also a threat to human dignity, but I guess that's none of my business.

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Marianne
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Interesting, how a sex change operation is an insult to the dignity of a human that was created just like God wants them to be; and then surgeries on "genital abnormities" are totally ok. How can the church claim that God knows only 2 genders and then dismiss intersex people as a "mistake"? I'm a Christian person and I wouldn't dare to decide what God claims to be normal or not. I do believe that God loves every person, no matter if straight or queer and wants us to be happy.

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Tabitha
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3 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I’m not religious, but even I know his son was certainly very accepting of those whom society rejected, so I would hope he got some of that quality from his dad.

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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I believe that the Vatican is a grave threat to human dignity

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Darius S. (he/him) cis/grey
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

In abrahamic religions , apparently humans only have dignity because people are made in the image of g-d. Dignity created by the thing that created sin which was a sinful thing..the original sin( not Eve & Adam, not Lucifer being kicked out of heaven).. apparently we maintain dignity by standing up against sin, which is one of g-d's creations made in the image of g-d. This seems mutually exclusive especially since the afterlife gives no one dignity, you're either in hell or removed of free will so there is no sin in heaven ( where it actually started ) and without free will there is promised unchosen eternal adoration of the greatest ego ever.

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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

he's on a roll, last month it was Ukraine should have "the courage to surrender"..

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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Ah yes, the Catholic Church has some real gall saying this after all the horrible sexual abuses scandals. Many would say that covering up years of sexual abuse of minor is a threat against basic human dignity. What a bunch of hate-filled hypocrites.

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You sure are an angry little twat, aren't you? All of your comments are putting someone down. You sure are a loser.

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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Thank you Bored Panda for a genuinely interesting article and for reaffirming my belief (Oh the Irony) that organised religion is a pile of hogwash. I would also argue he's a bit out of touch with what presents the 'worst danger' to humanity. Egotistical Billionaires, Mega Corporations, Volatile Religion, Political conflict and Climate (In no particular order) - All present a markedly bigger risk to the world than what an individual chooses as their pronouns and what's going on in their pants.

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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Who downvoted u??? Have an upvote. What you said is a good example of hypocrisy which should be judged by severity not rank

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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So you go out of your way to protect child abusers but then deny trans/non binary/intersex people and are constantly against contraception and I would assume other forms of sexual healthcare. And as an aside, you don't pay tax yet demand the poorest donate what they can to you.

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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Take this as a warning that, regardless of how “liberal” Pope Francis may seem there are simply some things the church will never, ever budge on. Which is their right but let’s also heed the reminder that we should not be making public policy based on religion.

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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

None of the catholic priests who raped kids were surrogates or transgender. None of the catholic nuns who committed atrocious crimes against unwedded teen mothers and their babies were either surrogates or transgender. But yeah, dignity....

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3 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Sickening. And naturally his precious document of cultural suffocation also has exceptions for mutilating intersex infants and toddlers. Because "God's plan" is, was and always has been "what the church wants people to do and damned be the consequences to said people".

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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Wow, what a hate-filled, utter ªsshole that one is. Stupid f****r never heard of Androgen resistance syndrome, or other intersex conditions. This whole institution fills me with disgust

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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Expect that this declaration will have a definite ripple effect among Catholic families, and how they deal with their transgender children, or those children still discovering and figuring out their gender orientation. It boggles my mind that an old man can make such proclamations for the entirety of a religion.

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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It boggles my mind that someone who wond be around to see it gets to decide things for generations he has little connection with. His point of view and current experiences in today's life would be vastly different from those who will be shaping the future. Why should he get so much say in what is right for them?

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Id row
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It amazes me that people still do what the church says. It's all just a scam for money and power.

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Troy West (sQQirrell)
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own. Thomas Jefferson

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Teaberry Allynne
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What about the virgin birth of Jesus? It's kind of like Mary was artificially inseminated. Jesus did not have a "fully human" origin, as presented in this declaration. I guess it's different, though, because God.

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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

“The child has the right to have a fully human (and not artificially induced) origin and to receive the gift of a life that manifests both the dignity of the giver and that of the receiver,” the document said. “Considering this, the legitimate desire to have a child cannot be transformed into a ‘right to a child’ that fails to respect the dignity of that child as the recipient of the gift of life.” No, it doesn't make sense to me either.

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Guess Undheit
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"Dignity"? From a scumbag that protects pedopriests raping children? From an enabler of the fascist Argentine regime, giving "absolution" to helicopter pilots and crew after they threw political dissidents into the Atlantic Ocean from a thousand metres in the air?

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Slapdash1
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So, remind us, how many kids does this bloke have to speak with such certainty about parenting?

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Scott Rackley
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I didn't know surrogate babies were not fully human. Learn something every day I guess.

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Dragons Exist
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Funny how anyone thinks I should listen to the rules of some old guy on a different continent

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LokisLilButterknife
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is the same church that also covered up years of horrible sexual abuse against minor, so it’s sadly not surprising.

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Granny's Thoughts
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Somebody should lock the door at the Vatican - with the Pope inside. He is totally out of touch with the real world. No wonder attending church is at an all time low.

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Jenny Mason
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The Vatican is against surrogacy because it believes children have “the right to have a fully human (and not artificially induced) origin” Does this mean they are against IVF and other forms of assisted conception?

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der sebbl
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"Pope Francis is the Pope" Wow, such quality writing.... Back to topic: nobody should care what the catholic church has to say

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Bernd Herbert
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

One thing is for sure, that can be seen throughout the centuries the catholic church has existed, and that is that the pope has always talked rubbish. Why would anyone care what that archaic and backwards institution has to say?

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Corvus
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Umm, they claim to be in favor of procreation, but then condemn surrogacy, which is the only option for a significant number of couples? Such fine logic here...

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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

They prefer adoption as a method rather than altering genetic processes , there are millions of children up for adoption the church believes that these couples unable to have children are present to support these children

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Colin Matthews
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3 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

How about you stick to your weirdo religion? If you are against surrogacy might want to have a glance at the Jesus birth story

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Tabitha
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

No Frankie, say it isn’t so! We all like you because you’re so open and understanding of how the REAL world operates. Don’t fall back into the Dark Ages again. Come back into the 21st Century where ALL the rest of us have to live—-and that includes people trapped in the wrong gender.

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Nikole
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I guess it was all just a pipe dream… Pope dream? But yeah, this is super f*****g disappointing, however, ultimately not surprising.

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Teaberry Allynne
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What about the virgin birth of Jesus? It's kind of like Mary was artificially inseminated. Jesus did not have a "fully human" origin as defined in this declaration. I guess it's different, because God.

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Nitka Tsar
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Goodness, can‘t they stop already? They were on a good path for a second and now this.

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me myself and i (She/Her)
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

tbh couldn’t being born in the wrong body be accounted as a mistake if intersex is??? Smh

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FluffyDreg
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The way I see it. God is in control of everything. So God CHOSE to make theor children trans. And for them to have a different realationship with their bodies.

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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yeah, and a rich protected virgin (supposedly!) who has never lived with a woman, condones child rape, protects the rapists, and welshes on their debts (owes aboriginal residential school victims their legally adjudged money) knows aaaallll about morality. Yeah.

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Diana Lucas
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Mary was a surrogate mother to Jesus! No wonder religion is dying. They can't even recognize their own hypocrisy any longer when it's so blatant it stings.

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Sarah James
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Who is one to tinker with god's plan? Who is one who will go against god when one is shortsighted and unable to read documents? One must forgo corrective lenses, for if one elects to see clearly, one has declared that one is above god. Fecking hypocrite. His mother should have swallowed him.

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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Giving birth. Blood, p**s, poop, flesh tearing, screams, the stench and baby covered in goo, if either one of the participants even survive for longer than a few days. No surrogacy or adoption could never be as dignified because no death and goo, or..?

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Atavistic
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

He is the end institutional result of eugenics’ raison d’etre. And vice versa.

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Darius S. (he/him) cis/grey
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

" Reading the bible is the best cure for christianity".. I used to be a sunday school teacher, I have engaged on an intellectual level with christianity... I don't need more proof of it being b.s.

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