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“Basic Biology”: Student Sparks Outrage After Locker Room Testimony Gets Shut Down By Board
A California school board meeting turned emotional and contentious last Tuesday (April 15) when a high school studentwas cut off mid-speech while recounting what she described as a “traumatic” encounter with a transgender individual in a locker room.
Celeste Diest, a junior within the Lucia Mar Unified School District in Arroyo Grande, took the podium to share her personal concerns about the participation of transgender students in s*x-segregated spaces.
“Recently, I went into the women’s locker room to change for track practice,” Diest explained. “Where I saw at the end of my row a biological male watching not only myself but the other young women undress.”
Diest then broke into tears and criticized the board for, in her words, “making [her] and [her] peers feel like their comfort is invalid” before being told by a member to “wrap it up.”
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Diest described the encounter as “beyond traumatizing,” noting that the individual in question was already dressed and shouldn’t have been “in a locker room, let alone the women’s.”
“Adults like yourself make me and my peers feel like our own comfort was invalid, even though our privacy was and still is completely violated,” she added.
Image credits: Lucia Mar Unified School District
The student continued by referencing the individual’s chromosomal makeup, pointing out that “males have XY chromosomes, females have XX chromosomes,” and describing the information as “basic biology.”
Diest, struggling to finish the previous sentence, was then interrupted by the president of the school board, Colleen Martin, instructing her to “please wrap it up.”
“I just want to ask ‘What about us?’” the student continued.
Image credits: Lucia Mar Unified School District
“We cannot sit around and allow our rights to be given up to cater to an individual that is a man, who watches women undress and is stripping away female opportunity that once was fought for us.”
Her words prompted a strong reaction from the audience, with some reportedly wearing t-shirts that read, “Save Girls Sports.” As the cheers grew in volume, Martin proceeded to slam her gavel to restore order in the room.
Debate surrounding the issue of trans athletes in women’s sports continues to escalate, both in cultural and legal areas
Image credits: Lucia Mar Unified School District
The clip surfaced in the middle of an eventful week for the issue of transgender individuals and their participation in spaces reserved for biological women.
As Bored Panda previously reported, The United Kingdom’s Supreme Court put an end to a long discussion that began in 2018 when the Scottish Parliament introduced the Gender Representation on Public Boards Act.
Image credits: Friends of Lucia Mar Forward/Facebook
The legislation was intended to improve gender balance by requiring that half of non-executive board members on public bodies be women. The act defined “woman” to include transgender women who possess a Gender Recognition Certificate.
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Feminist advocacy group For Women Scotland (FWS) challenged the law, arguing that the definition conflicted with the UK’s Equality Act 2010, which protects against discrimination on the basis of characteristics like s*x, reassignment, and orientation.
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FWS contended that the Scottish government had exceeded its authority by expanding the legal definition of “woman.”
After years of litigation, the Supreme Court unanimously ruled that the terms “woman” and “sex” in the Equality Act refer specifically to biological women and biological s*x.
California legally allows athletes to participate in sports leagues that align with their gender identity
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While the Court stated that transgender individuals will continue to be protected from discrimination, it explained that these protections will not extend to spaces designed for biological women only—including sports.
In the United States, on the other hand, California remains one of the states that allow transgender athletes to compete in the divisions they identify with.
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“A pupil shall be permitted to participate in sex-segregated school programs and activities, including athletic teams and competitions, and use facilities consistent with his or her gender identity, irrespective of the gender listed on the pupil’s records,” a 2013 State Assembly bill specifies.
WATCH: A California high school girl tearfully recounts to her school board having to change in front of a biological male before track practice.
Celeste Diest is a junior in the Lucia Mar Unified School District. She said the biological male watched both her and other girls… pic.twitter.com/DV0UQhpcI2
— Off The Press (@OffThePress1) April 17, 2025
The US’ current administration has established a traditional definition of sex and gender via various executive orders. This has led some states, such as Maine, to be sued for not banning transgender athletes in women’s sports.
On the other hand, 26 out of the nation’s 50 states have laws that implement the aforementioned bans.
“Courageous.” Netizens took to social media to share their thoughts on the board meeting
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What do you think ?
CP 7 months ago
Her feelings need to be addressed whether you deem them valid or not. I just worry that AHs are taking advantage of a new situation.
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Robin Roper 7 months ago
Why is anyone expected to change, shower, or bathroom in public. All these spaces should have private rooms with locks on the doors so that everyone has privacy. I've never thought boys should have to p** standing beside others. Advocated for private stalls and private changing space for everyone.
K 7 months ago
For the love of everything and everyone! Make a 3rd room for trans only. So there is bio men. Bio women. And trans. SOLVES EVERYTHING. GIVE THEM THEIR OWN SPORTS CATEGORY. THEIR OWN LOCKER ROOM. GIVE THEM THEIR OWN EVERYTHING FOR THEM AND THEM ALONE. WIN-WIN-WIN.. WHY IS THIS NOT HAPPENING TO SOLVE ALL THESE PROBLEMS ??????
Lee Banks 7 months ago
Heck yeah! My trans friends (both directions) are uncomfortable sometimes. I've also got cis friends who grew up with or have found a religion that makes them uncomfortable being seen by anyone. There truly needs to be an idgaf/private room. I personally dgaf, but that's me. Shoot, my mtf friends are scared when forced to use the men's room. My ftm friends are scared of the same. I respect the young woman for speaking her peace, but there needs to be a better understanding of how terrifying it can be for trans folk to be vulnerable in that way in public. (Sidenote: I'm bi, but would shame the snot out anyone being lecherous towards a woman in a bath/locker room. You don't do that. )
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YukiChou 7 months ago (edited)
As an adult sauna going woman I felt very very uncomfortable by a non transitioned trans woman (aka biological man) in ladies dressing room when there were also minors. This person was sexually aroused, and mind you he was generously shaped. I don't see sexual aroused men in the sauna at all, so a trans person who is physically a man should not be in a dressing room for little girls and women, especially not when physically aroused by these people.
Lee451 Henderson 7 months ago
No one ever mentions that this is a possible occurance: https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/northern-virginia/teen-accused-of-sexual-assaults-in-2-virginia-high-schools/2831314/ A trans "girl" rapes another girl in 2 Virginia high schools.
Forrest Hobbs 7 months ago
Lee451 Henderson: what do you mean, no-one mentions that as a possible occurance? You just did, and you gave us a link to a news story. There are similar tales here in the UK. Bottom line is: everyone's rights need respecting. If some trans people are unhappy because their binary view of gender isn't fully accepted because of the risk to cis gendered women and girls from people born biologically male - well, let's have a discussion. We're not going to get anywhere until people stop yelling about transphobia and other forms of bigotry and hatred. Sensible, reasoned discussion and a willingness from everyone to accept some form of compromise is the way forward. Me? I have no answers.
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The Darkest Timeline 7 months ago (edited)
So, no attempt to verify this story? Girl shows up by herself with the backing of MAGA anti-trans activists to a school board meeting where she wasn’t on the meeting agenda and we're supposed to take it at face value? She didn’t bring this up with school administration or coaches or teachers first? Just straight to the school board (read: very public)? Sounds like rage bait to me. I suppose it’s plausible she’s the only one that wanted to come forward but, without any corroborating information, it’s equally as plausible this is made up. Given the right’s history of inciting moral panic and lying about what happens in schools (anyone remember the kitty litter thing that was nothing like what the reactionaries made it out to be?) and surrounding trans people, I’d take this with a grain of salt absent any other information. This incident happened literally a few days ago and there is nothing out there about it other than the same synopsis given here by right-leaning outlets. I can agree the response by the board is bad optics but we aren’t getting the whole story here.
Catherine Chance 7 months ago
That is what the hearing was for, comments like yours make me feel that the authors might themselves not be safe to be around young females, you should understand with a few exceptions the majority of females do not want to see or be seen by random males in a state of undress that is just a reality of human nature, females have an innate sense that males even young boys can use their genitalia as weapons against us, maybe you are trying to convince the world that you have no idea of how disgusting and vile males can be to females in words and in deeds, of course I know it is not every male but enough to be a threat to women.
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Jake Trochmann 7 months ago
There may be more here - all of us were teens at one point, many of May still be, and I was incredibly hyperbolic and dramatic in High School. I don't know this girl, I don't know her behavioral history, but I imagine the school does. They may have information that they have to keep confidential. This girl May routinely bully her trans classmate. She may opportunistically portray herself as a victim to get sympathy or deflect responsibility from bad behavior. She may be telling the truth. We don't know, this article doesn't say, so it's unreasonable for any of us to jump to any conclusions, or take any sides, with such limited information. This is an extremely complicated social issue which inspires very strong emotions in many of us. But as we advocate for legislation - for or against transgender people - we need to put our emotions and assumptions aside, do research so we can for beliefs based of facts, not feelings.
Rafael 7 months ago
Notice the literal uniformed lobby group behind her in all screen caps. Not sure I would take what she says at face value when she isn't even hiding the agenda.
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Nova Rook 7 months ago
BP never shares anything from the trans woman - it is as if she does not exist and her comfort is never raised. Further, BP lies about history and culture by claiming Trump (the maga f*****t/American leader) has returned to the 'traditional definition' without defining what they mean by that outrageous claim. If BP means tradition for bigoted fascists then BP needs to say that.
UKGrandad 7 months ago
Can you explain why the comfort of trans women is more important than the comfort of women?
Load More Replies... ghswxj2xx5 7 months ago
So they gonna ban lesbians from the women’s locker rooms as well?? This makes no sense.
UKGrandad 7 months ago
Don't you believe that lesbians are women? Because why else would you even think such a thing? The only thing that makes no sense is your blatantly homophobic comment.
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Katharina Sei. 7 months ago
I would like to point out that I know of public baths where there is simply a common changing area. No separation of the sexes, just a few cubicles, which most people don't bother to use. However, this is also in Europe.
Royal Stray 7 months ago
That's true, and there are mixed gender n**e beaches as well. But in those cases people are well aware that it's mixed and the people who aren't comfortable don't have to go. The issue here is that people who feel unsafe being undressed with the opposite gender still have to change around someone with the opposite gender's genitalia and look.
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Mark Alexander 7 months ago
How does one look at a person and authoritative identify their chromosomal makeup? Maybe the other individual was XXY. Maybe she's already changed because she's taking care not to be looked at by others. Ffs, just leave each other be.
antoinette maldari 7 months ago
"just leave each other be" so simple, yet somehow, so complicated?
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The_Nicest_Misanthrope 7 months ago
I really don't understand why we can't just make trans leagues and put a pin in this once and for all
Jake Trochmann 7 months ago
Because separate but equal does not equal equality. I think the point is that trans people want to be acknowledged as the gender they identify as. Trans leagues would be the opposite of that. Maybe we should just make sports coed. Imagine Rhonda Rousey playing hockey or arena football - she'd rock!
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Ms.GB 7 months ago (edited)
Nobody knows what went on in that locker room, for all we know that trans athlete could've glanced up. There are straight women that look at eachother in the locker room and there are gay women that use that locker room too. Nobody should be staring non stop at anyone else but if you are really uncomfortable then change in the bathroom. It's much more dangerous for a trans woman to use a male locker room that it is for a bunch of women to have a trans woman in their locker room. This girl wouldn't think twice about having a trans individual in the locker room if ppl didn't make such a big deal about it. She's worried about her feelings while that trans athlete would be worried about her life. Sometimes you have to assess who's at greater risk in certain situations.
UKGrandad 7 months ago (edited)
If a woman is uncomfortable with a male being in a communal changing area, you think that it's the woman who should be inconvenienced by finding somewhere else to change? EDIT: Downvoted, so of course you think that. Women just aren't allowed to say no, are they!
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Faminerst Anstemal 7 months ago
I feel like back in the 60s, white people were very uncomfortable with black people sharing their bathrooms. But somehow they managed to get through this.
UKGrandad 7 months ago (edited)
Black people were not claiming to be white, were they? Whereas what we have here are males claiming to be females. Different situations.
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Ravenkbh 7 months ago
A trans gender has gone through years of surgery, Hormone treatment, Therapy, and humiliation. Anybody thinking they did all that for a cheap thrill of gawking at naked girls in a locker room is being ridiculous.
UKGrandad 7 months ago
The number of trans women who have undergone a full surgical transition is miniscule compared to the vast majority of intact males who claim to be women. If you want to blame anybody for the opposition to trans women in women's spaces, blame the people who insist that a woman is anybody who identifies as such, and not the women who don't want intact males in women's spaces.
Load More Replies... Nicky 7 months ago
So many trans kids get attacked in hate crimes. This article makes them appear as lecherous predators, the opposite of what´s happening across the U.S. I always used bathroom stalls to change even before this controversy erupted. What about lesbians checking out women getting changed? What about hetero women looking at other women´s bodies to compare physical traits? If you are uncomfortable, use a stall to change instead of triggering trans-phobia in others with conjecture and innuendo.
antoinette maldari 7 months ago
There was a viral video going around, pre-COVID, from a young woman FILMING another woman who was older and mocking her appearance in a woman's gym locker room. A CIS WOMAN filming another cis woman just for clicks and views. So sad.
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TheGreaterDebater 7 months ago
I applaud this girl! She is such so courageous after what she has been through.
Nova Rook 7 months ago
She is eager to spread hate and she is doing so with the backing of her peers and a powerful national government. Not a single word about, from or for the brave trans woman who is being attacked in public and smeared by a teen ignorant of the science. Cheers for ignorant hatred!
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Andie Day 7 months ago (edited)
Sorry, not sorry. I think she was looking to create drama. How did she know they were "biological male" if they were dressed? Did she walk over and look down their pants? I sincerely doubt she was the only one in the locker room that would notice them, and she seems to be the only one with the grievance to report. We're only hearing one side of the story--perhaps the board got tired of her performative 'woe is me' story and simply dismissed her out of the room. Private changing rooms for EVERYONE. At least a stall, for pete's sake! I smell lots of transphobia with this.
John Curtis 7 months ago
Fake Crying, Pearl Clutching White Girl Reading A Script for Mommy and Daddy's Politics.
Swizard101 Genius 7 months ago
There is no means to establish a claim of identity remains constant over time versus is simply made for the purpose of some advantage to avoid charges of breaking the law. If a law breaker of one gender can be excused from application of that law by a simple claim "I am the other gender" and there is no legal process to dispute it, then the law breaker has indeed been granted immunity from the law simply by claiming it.
Manuel Delgado 7 months ago
They treated her badly. It's a complicated issue, there isn't an easy solution that everyone agrees on. Meanwhile, let's all be patient, generous, open minded, empathic.
ghswxj2xx5 7 months ago
What about lesbians?? You gonna force them out of the women’s locker rooms too??
UKGrandad 7 months ago (edited)
Don't be ridiculous. Lesbians are women, you dolt. EDIT: Downvoted? Which idiot doesn't think that lesbians are women?
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Inservio Smurf 7 months ago
S*x-segregated spaces are just that. Psychosis segregation has had its day, but now the narcissist parade needs to stop.
Dre Mosley 7 months ago
It's California. I'm not surprised at all that they'd be dismissive.. regarding her feelings on this subject matter.
Nova Rook 7 months ago
They didn't even talk to the trans women about her being watched and scrutinized.
Load More Replies... Alger G. Nava 7 months ago
When "trans men" start winning at men sports, then we can consider men playing women's sports. In the meantime SAVE WOMEN SPORTS!
William Teach 7 months ago
How things change. A few years ago I wouldn't even comment because I knew I'd be down checked so hard I'd get banned. Now, there are posts taking the side of protecting real women who are upset over males invading their safe spaces.
typepy type on a rectangle 7 months ago
Just wrong. plain wrong. No man should watch women (plural) undress in front of him.
typepy type on a rectangle 7 months ago
The board should be ashamed of themselves for doing such an act. A man watching women undress? Just wrong, plain wrong.
Earonn - 7 months ago
Yeah, the terfs had a big win in Britain. Actually, it wasn't. A court had to define what was meant by "woman" in a quite specific issue. But of course the terfs, after "woman" was defined as basically "born a woman" (yeah, f**k those intersex people!), declared total victory. And already yesterday women at our main train station in Edinburgh had to show "ID" to "prove" that they were born women. That's the world the terfs create: where you have to show ID or your t*****s or your p***y to strangers if you want to p**s. BTW, the person checking if those in need of a toilet were actually woman - was a man.
UKGrandad 7 months ago (edited)
Where's your proof that that happened? Checking IDs at a railway station would be a story that made the national news, so give us a link to it, please. EDIT: well, it's been nearly two days since I asked and..no evidence. I knew you were lying.
Load More Replies... Nova Rook 7 months ago
The woman complaining also intentionally misgenders the trans woman. That's like using the N word.
UKGrandad 7 months ago
No it isn't. Stop it with your racíst appropriation.
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nicholas nolan 7 months ago
Why would a "man" go through all the trouble of living as a woman to r**e girls in their locker room when it's much easier to just become a cop or a pastor?
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The_Nicest_Misanthrope 7 months ago (edited)
Lesbians are still biologically women and therefore, aren't any stronger than the average woman. That's why. A trans woman can still retain the strength of their biological s*x.
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UKGrandad 7 months ago
Yeah, great idea. That way, once women realise that they'll never win anything again they can get back to the kitchen where they belong. Onan, you are an idiot.
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XenoMurph 7 months ago
Agreed. Both sides of this issue need to be shown respect. I can't believe that every woman who feels nervous about a "masculine" presence in female changing rooms is lying because they are prejudiced. Neither do i believe that every trans woman is simply a bloke pretending to be a woman to ogle boobies in the changing rooms. So I believe there are genuine fears and hurts to be addressed. There are two genuine, but unfortunately conflicting, issues here. It's obviously not an issue which has a "binary" solution (rather appropriately). I think each country/culture will find their own solution. Whether that's male - female - nonbinary changing areas in some more conservative countries. Or communal changing areas with lockable cubicles, as we have here in UK. Either way, it'll be at least a generation before the issue settles down. We haven't even got s*x or race equality sorted yet, and that's been trundling on for centuries. We are such a silly species.
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michael Chock 7 months ago (edited)
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Babs McGurk 7 months ago
So that's your solution? "I disagree with someone, therefore I must K I L L him/her?" No wonder the world is in such a terrible state today, if you think that's the answer.
Load More Replies... CP 7 months ago
Her feelings need to be addressed whether you deem them valid or not. I just worry that AHs are taking advantage of a new situation.
Load More Replies... Robin Roper 7 months ago
Why is anyone expected to change, shower, or bathroom in public. All these spaces should have private rooms with locks on the doors so that everyone has privacy. I've never thought boys should have to p** standing beside others. Advocated for private stalls and private changing space for everyone.
K 7 months ago
For the love of everything and everyone! Make a 3rd room for trans only. So there is bio men. Bio women. And trans. SOLVES EVERYTHING. GIVE THEM THEIR OWN SPORTS CATEGORY. THEIR OWN LOCKER ROOM. GIVE THEM THEIR OWN EVERYTHING FOR THEM AND THEM ALONE. WIN-WIN-WIN.. WHY IS THIS NOT HAPPENING TO SOLVE ALL THESE PROBLEMS ??????
Lee Banks 7 months ago
Heck yeah! My trans friends (both directions) are uncomfortable sometimes. I've also got cis friends who grew up with or have found a religion that makes them uncomfortable being seen by anyone. There truly needs to be an idgaf/private room. I personally dgaf, but that's me. Shoot, my mtf friends are scared when forced to use the men's room. My ftm friends are scared of the same. I respect the young woman for speaking her peace, but there needs to be a better understanding of how terrifying it can be for trans folk to be vulnerable in that way in public. (Sidenote: I'm bi, but would shame the snot out anyone being lecherous towards a woman in a bath/locker room. You don't do that. )
Load More Replies... YukiChou 7 months ago (edited)
As an adult sauna going woman I felt very very uncomfortable by a non transitioned trans woman (aka biological man) in ladies dressing room when there were also minors. This person was sexually aroused, and mind you he was generously shaped. I don't see sexual aroused men in the sauna at all, so a trans person who is physically a man should not be in a dressing room for little girls and women, especially not when physically aroused by these people.
Lee451 Henderson 7 months ago
No one ever mentions that this is a possible occurance: https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/northern-virginia/teen-accused-of-sexual-assaults-in-2-virginia-high-schools/2831314/ A trans "girl" rapes another girl in 2 Virginia high schools.
Forrest Hobbs 7 months ago
Lee451 Henderson: what do you mean, no-one mentions that as a possible occurance? You just did, and you gave us a link to a news story. There are similar tales here in the UK. Bottom line is: everyone's rights need respecting. If some trans people are unhappy because their binary view of gender isn't fully accepted because of the risk to cis gendered women and girls from people born biologically male - well, let's have a discussion. We're not going to get anywhere until people stop yelling about transphobia and other forms of bigotry and hatred. Sensible, reasoned discussion and a willingness from everyone to accept some form of compromise is the way forward. Me? I have no answers.
Load More Replies... The Darkest Timeline 7 months ago (edited)
So, no attempt to verify this story? Girl shows up by herself with the backing of MAGA anti-trans activists to a school board meeting where she wasn’t on the meeting agenda and we're supposed to take it at face value? She didn’t bring this up with school administration or coaches or teachers first? Just straight to the school board (read: very public)? Sounds like rage bait to me. I suppose it’s plausible she’s the only one that wanted to come forward but, without any corroborating information, it’s equally as plausible this is made up. Given the right’s history of inciting moral panic and lying about what happens in schools (anyone remember the kitty litter thing that was nothing like what the reactionaries made it out to be?) and surrounding trans people, I’d take this with a grain of salt absent any other information. This incident happened literally a few days ago and there is nothing out there about it other than the same synopsis given here by right-leaning outlets. I can agree the response by the board is bad optics but we aren’t getting the whole story here.
Catherine Chance 7 months ago
That is what the hearing was for, comments like yours make me feel that the authors might themselves not be safe to be around young females, you should understand with a few exceptions the majority of females do not want to see or be seen by random males in a state of undress that is just a reality of human nature, females have an innate sense that males even young boys can use their genitalia as weapons against us, maybe you are trying to convince the world that you have no idea of how disgusting and vile males can be to females in words and in deeds, of course I know it is not every male but enough to be a threat to women.
Load More Replies... Jake Trochmann 7 months ago
There may be more here - all of us were teens at one point, many of May still be, and I was incredibly hyperbolic and dramatic in High School. I don't know this girl, I don't know her behavioral history, but I imagine the school does. They may have information that they have to keep confidential. This girl May routinely bully her trans classmate. She may opportunistically portray herself as a victim to get sympathy or deflect responsibility from bad behavior. She may be telling the truth. We don't know, this article doesn't say, so it's unreasonable for any of us to jump to any conclusions, or take any sides, with such limited information. This is an extremely complicated social issue which inspires very strong emotions in many of us. But as we advocate for legislation - for or against transgender people - we need to put our emotions and assumptions aside, do research so we can for beliefs based of facts, not feelings.
Rafael 7 months ago
Notice the literal uniformed lobby group behind her in all screen caps. Not sure I would take what she says at face value when she isn't even hiding the agenda.
Load More Replies... Nova Rook 7 months ago
BP never shares anything from the trans woman - it is as if she does not exist and her comfort is never raised. Further, BP lies about history and culture by claiming Trump (the maga f*****t/American leader) has returned to the 'traditional definition' without defining what they mean by that outrageous claim. If BP means tradition for bigoted fascists then BP needs to say that.
UKGrandad 7 months ago
Can you explain why the comfort of trans women is more important than the comfort of women?
Load More Replies... ghswxj2xx5 7 months ago
So they gonna ban lesbians from the women’s locker rooms as well?? This makes no sense.
UKGrandad 7 months ago
Don't you believe that lesbians are women? Because why else would you even think such a thing? The only thing that makes no sense is your blatantly homophobic comment.
Load More Replies... Katharina Sei. 7 months ago
I would like to point out that I know of public baths where there is simply a common changing area. No separation of the sexes, just a few cubicles, which most people don't bother to use. However, this is also in Europe.
Royal Stray 7 months ago
That's true, and there are mixed gender n**e beaches as well. But in those cases people are well aware that it's mixed and the people who aren't comfortable don't have to go. The issue here is that people who feel unsafe being undressed with the opposite gender still have to change around someone with the opposite gender's genitalia and look.
Load More Replies... Mark Alexander 7 months ago
How does one look at a person and authoritative identify their chromosomal makeup? Maybe the other individual was XXY. Maybe she's already changed because she's taking care not to be looked at by others. Ffs, just leave each other be.
antoinette maldari 7 months ago
"just leave each other be" so simple, yet somehow, so complicated?
Load More Replies... The_Nicest_Misanthrope 7 months ago
I really don't understand why we can't just make trans leagues and put a pin in this once and for all
Jake Trochmann 7 months ago
Because separate but equal does not equal equality. I think the point is that trans people want to be acknowledged as the gender they identify as. Trans leagues would be the opposite of that. Maybe we should just make sports coed. Imagine Rhonda Rousey playing hockey or arena football - she'd rock!
Load More Replies... Ms.GB 7 months ago (edited)
Nobody knows what went on in that locker room, for all we know that trans athlete could've glanced up. There are straight women that look at eachother in the locker room and there are gay women that use that locker room too. Nobody should be staring non stop at anyone else but if you are really uncomfortable then change in the bathroom. It's much more dangerous for a trans woman to use a male locker room that it is for a bunch of women to have a trans woman in their locker room. This girl wouldn't think twice about having a trans individual in the locker room if ppl didn't make such a big deal about it. She's worried about her feelings while that trans athlete would be worried about her life. Sometimes you have to assess who's at greater risk in certain situations.
UKGrandad 7 months ago (edited)
If a woman is uncomfortable with a male being in a communal changing area, you think that it's the woman who should be inconvenienced by finding somewhere else to change? EDIT: Downvoted, so of course you think that. Women just aren't allowed to say no, are they!
Load More Replies... Faminerst Anstemal 7 months ago
I feel like back in the 60s, white people were very uncomfortable with black people sharing their bathrooms. But somehow they managed to get through this.
UKGrandad 7 months ago (edited)
Black people were not claiming to be white, were they? Whereas what we have here are males claiming to be females. Different situations.
Load More Replies... Ravenkbh 7 months ago
A trans gender has gone through years of surgery, Hormone treatment, Therapy, and humiliation. Anybody thinking they did all that for a cheap thrill of gawking at naked girls in a locker room is being ridiculous.
UKGrandad 7 months ago
The number of trans women who have undergone a full surgical transition is miniscule compared to the vast majority of intact males who claim to be women. If you want to blame anybody for the opposition to trans women in women's spaces, blame the people who insist that a woman is anybody who identifies as such, and not the women who don't want intact males in women's spaces.
Load More Replies... Nicky 7 months ago
So many trans kids get attacked in hate crimes. This article makes them appear as lecherous predators, the opposite of what´s happening across the U.S. I always used bathroom stalls to change even before this controversy erupted. What about lesbians checking out women getting changed? What about hetero women looking at other women´s bodies to compare physical traits? If you are uncomfortable, use a stall to change instead of triggering trans-phobia in others with conjecture and innuendo.
antoinette maldari 7 months ago
There was a viral video going around, pre-COVID, from a young woman FILMING another woman who was older and mocking her appearance in a woman's gym locker room. A CIS WOMAN filming another cis woman just for clicks and views. So sad.
Load More Replies... TheGreaterDebater 7 months ago
I applaud this girl! She is such so courageous after what she has been through.
Nova Rook 7 months ago
She is eager to spread hate and she is doing so with the backing of her peers and a powerful national government. Not a single word about, from or for the brave trans woman who is being attacked in public and smeared by a teen ignorant of the science. Cheers for ignorant hatred!
Load More Replies... Andie Day 7 months ago (edited)
Sorry, not sorry. I think she was looking to create drama. How did she know they were "biological male" if they were dressed? Did she walk over and look down their pants? I sincerely doubt she was the only one in the locker room that would notice them, and she seems to be the only one with the grievance to report. We're only hearing one side of the story--perhaps the board got tired of her performative 'woe is me' story and simply dismissed her out of the room. Private changing rooms for EVERYONE. At least a stall, for pete's sake! I smell lots of transphobia with this.
John Curtis 7 months ago
Fake Crying, Pearl Clutching White Girl Reading A Script for Mommy and Daddy's Politics.
Swizard101 Genius 7 months ago
There is no means to establish a claim of identity remains constant over time versus is simply made for the purpose of some advantage to avoid charges of breaking the law. If a law breaker of one gender can be excused from application of that law by a simple claim "I am the other gender" and there is no legal process to dispute it, then the law breaker has indeed been granted immunity from the law simply by claiming it.
Manuel Delgado 7 months ago
They treated her badly. It's a complicated issue, there isn't an easy solution that everyone agrees on. Meanwhile, let's all be patient, generous, open minded, empathic.
ghswxj2xx5 7 months ago
What about lesbians?? You gonna force them out of the women’s locker rooms too??
UKGrandad 7 months ago (edited)
Don't be ridiculous. Lesbians are women, you dolt. EDIT: Downvoted? Which idiot doesn't think that lesbians are women?
Load More Replies... Inservio Smurf 7 months ago
S*x-segregated spaces are just that. Psychosis segregation has had its day, but now the narcissist parade needs to stop.
Dre Mosley 7 months ago
It's California. I'm not surprised at all that they'd be dismissive.. regarding her feelings on this subject matter.
Nova Rook 7 months ago
They didn't even talk to the trans women about her being watched and scrutinized.
Load More Replies... Alger G. Nava 7 months ago
When "trans men" start winning at men sports, then we can consider men playing women's sports. In the meantime SAVE WOMEN SPORTS!
William Teach 7 months ago
How things change. A few years ago I wouldn't even comment because I knew I'd be down checked so hard I'd get banned. Now, there are posts taking the side of protecting real women who are upset over males invading their safe spaces.
typepy type on a rectangle 7 months ago
Just wrong. plain wrong. No man should watch women (plural) undress in front of him.
typepy type on a rectangle 7 months ago
The board should be ashamed of themselves for doing such an act. A man watching women undress? Just wrong, plain wrong.
Earonn - 7 months ago
Yeah, the terfs had a big win in Britain. Actually, it wasn't. A court had to define what was meant by "woman" in a quite specific issue. But of course the terfs, after "woman" was defined as basically "born a woman" (yeah, f**k those intersex people!), declared total victory. And already yesterday women at our main train station in Edinburgh had to show "ID" to "prove" that they were born women. That's the world the terfs create: where you have to show ID or your t*****s or your p***y to strangers if you want to p**s. BTW, the person checking if those in need of a toilet were actually woman - was a man.
UKGrandad 7 months ago (edited)
Where's your proof that that happened? Checking IDs at a railway station would be a story that made the national news, so give us a link to it, please. EDIT: well, it's been nearly two days since I asked and..no evidence. I knew you were lying.
Load More Replies... Nova Rook 7 months ago
The woman complaining also intentionally misgenders the trans woman. That's like using the N word.
UKGrandad 7 months ago
No it isn't. Stop it with your racíst appropriation.
Load More Replies... nicholas nolan 7 months ago
Why would a "man" go through all the trouble of living as a woman to r**e girls in their locker room when it's much easier to just become a cop or a pastor?
Load More Replies... The_Nicest_Misanthrope 7 months ago (edited)
Lesbians are still biologically women and therefore, aren't any stronger than the average woman. That's why. A trans woman can still retain the strength of their biological s*x.
Load More Replies... UKGrandad 7 months ago
Yeah, great idea. That way, once women realise that they'll never win anything again they can get back to the kitchen where they belong. Onan, you are an idiot.
Load More Replies... XenoMurph 7 months ago
Agreed. Both sides of this issue need to be shown respect. I can't believe that every woman who feels nervous about a "masculine" presence in female changing rooms is lying because they are prejudiced. Neither do i believe that every trans woman is simply a bloke pretending to be a woman to ogle boobies in the changing rooms. So I believe there are genuine fears and hurts to be addressed. There are two genuine, but unfortunately conflicting, issues here. It's obviously not an issue which has a "binary" solution (rather appropriately). I think each country/culture will find their own solution. Whether that's male - female - nonbinary changing areas in some more conservative countries. Or communal changing areas with lockable cubicles, as we have here in UK. Either way, it'll be at least a generation before the issue settles down. We haven't even got s*x or race equality sorted yet, and that's been trundling on for centuries. We are such a silly species.
Load More Replies... michael Chock 7 months ago (edited)
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Load More Replies... Babs McGurk 7 months ago
So that's your solution? "I disagree with someone, therefore I must K I L L him/her?" No wonder the world is in such a terrible state today, if you think that's the answer.
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