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Restaurant Posts A Sign Begging Clients To Tip Servers, Digs Their Own Grave As People Start Criticizing Them
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Restaurant Posts A Sign Begging Clients To Tip Servers, Digs Their Own Grave As People Start Criticizing Them

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You know, there are still some unanswered mysteries that I think about when I can’t fall asleep at night: how the pyramids were built, whether UFO sightings could be real, what happened to Amelia Earhart, and… why American servers and waiters rely on tips instead of getting a proper, solid, stable wage that’s fully paid by the company they’re working for. Tipping culture continues to baffle me because it puts the financial burden on the customer instead of on the employer, and the one paying the price is the employee.

One brazen example of just how dystopian things can be, is currently making the rounds on the internet, including on Reddit. A seafood restaurant in Florida, is under fire for their poster, urging customers to tip servers because they don’t make much money without these tips. “Take care of those who took care of you!” sounds nice until you realize that it’s just a way to dodge responsibility and guilt you out of your money.

Oh, and here’s the thing—the minimum wage might be rising in the US, but it doesn’t always apply to those people who are classified as ‘tipped employees.’ To be fair, the seafood restaurant also provided some extra context about the poster and claimed that all of their employees are very happy with their jobs and that their actual current wages (tips included) are very good. And while we might disagree with some of the restaurant’s politics, remember, dear Pandas, that it’s an endemic problem, and not the fault of a single business—that’s why we’re keeping things anonymous.

The author of the original post criticizing the restaurant, who preferred to remain anonymous, went into detail with Bored Panda about her “confusing” experience at the restaurant, tipping culture in the US, and how the restaurant’s management responded to her. She also noted that while the food was truly good, the management’s attitude was far from high quality.

“I don’t think tipping culture will ever go away entirely, at least not in our lifetimes, nor am I really sure it should entirely. If someone goes above and beyond, absolutely tip them, regardless of whether they’re a server, a cook, a retail worker, an installer whomever,” the restaurant customer-turned-critic said. “If there were no distinction from a nontipped minimum wage, that would be a start, followed by the attitude of, “Tips are appreciated but never expected.'”

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A restaurant in Florida is under fire for this poster that’s trying to guilt customers into tipping their servers because the minimum wage they get is very low

A customer called the restaurant out in a recent post on Facebook

And the restaurant replied to the allegations

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“Who in their right mind is going to tell their boss, ‘No, I’m unhappy with the way things are going?'”

The author of the post shared with us that she has since responded to the restaurant management’s replies that gave everyone a tad more context. “I was less than impressed with the response, despite it being more polite.

“If the poster was truly made with the intention of education, then suggested percentages of tips should be posted. There’s been multiple studies into increasing minimum wage versus the cost of living that left no significantly large impact on the business. Markup is expected, but when it’s present, by ordering the food I am accepting the markup,” she said.

“The reason I even mentioned the cost of the potatoes in the post (which I misremembered. The cost of 3 extra new potatoes was $2, the cost of three pieces of corn was $3) was because, with the markup present, it would be expected that their staff shouldn’t have to ‘work for nothing’ as the poster claimed.”

The original poster also pointed out that even though the restaurant claims that all of their employees are happy, this doesn’t in fact confirm anything. “Who in their right mind is going to tell their boss, ‘No, I’m unhappy with the way things are going and deserve to be paid more’ when publicly placed under a microscope? If their employees were so unhappy they requested the poster be made, why didn’t management respond with, ‘Sure, but let’s word it politely’ or, ‘let’s not post statements that are untrue?’ If business is so bad, then make an effort to compensate the servers during that time, or at least acknowledge that if they don’t get tips, the restaurant still has to pay them out to minimum wage.”

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The quality of the food and how the restaurant is run are at odds with each other

“My experience at the restaurant was a little confusing, honestly. I ordered takeout and only posted the flyer online because I found it rudely worded and factually incorrect, not because it applied to me in any way. I did notice that when I entered, two hostesses were standing up front, neither of which greeted me or looked up from their conversation and I wandered over to where a bored-looking guy stood with some paper bags and asked if this was the right place to pick up my order, which makes me wonder in retrospect if the staff wasn’t being tipped for other reasons,” she told Bored Panda in detail.

“I was surprised to glimpse the flyer on my way out with my order. I actually turned around and went back to the door to read it because it was scotch-taped on and flapped in the breeze like the health department had walked by and slapped a notice up,” she continued. “Growing up, my parents owned a restaurant. I worked customer service a decade before medically retiring, some of that in restaurants, most of it as management. That tone was never going to sit well with me, nor was intentionally misleading consumers.”

According to the customer, she neither expected the attitude she got from the restaurant’s management, nor was she expecting to start a debate over tipping. She simply wanted to call attention to the rudeness of the flyer.

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“I was very excited to get my food home to try. The crab was perfectly cooked and able to be hand-cracked with minimal effort, and so was the shrimp. Their seasoning blend was to die for good. While the food was incredible and the restaurant very clean and tastefully decorated, the attitude of management was enough to put me off ever going back.”

Tipped employees don’t get the same minimum wage in the US

The minimum wage divide is rather unfair to tipped employees. For instance, as of January 1, 2021, Florida’s minimum wage rose from 8.56 dollars to a whopping 8.65 dollars per hour (oh, Dear Lord, imagine all the things you can buy with those additional ten hourly cents!). For reference, the federal minimum wage stands at 7.25 dollars per hour, but states can take it upon themselves to raise it higher as you can see in this handy chart by Statista right over here.

However, the minimum wage for tipped employees in Florida grew from 5.54 dollars to 5.63 dollars per hour. “Florida employers, meanwhile, may still continue to take a tip credit of up to $3.02 per hour for those classified as tipped employees,” The National Law Review explains.

“However, this will not be the only minimum wage increase for 2021. In November, Florida voters passed a Constitutional Amendment which will gradually raise the minimum wage to $15.00 per hour by 2026. Specifically, the state minimum wage will increase each September.” The minimum wage (not for tipped employees, though) will rise to 10 dollars per hour on September 30 of this year, rising by 1 dollar per hour every year until it hits the 15-dollar-mark in 2026.
The restaurant’s General Manager fully acknowledges that the tipping system in the US is “a flawed concept,” however, he’s also realistic about the fact that the business needs to survive as well.

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“[The tipping system] allows restaurants and bars to pay less hourly to servers and forces servers to depend on customer tips to make a living. I look towards the Canadian system and other European systems as well and I would much rather follow a similar system that pay my servers a living wage that doesn’t require them to depend on tips but such a system cannot happen without widespread reform and I’m sure we all know reform is hard to achieve. Not to mention, increasing server wages is easy but in order for companies to sustain themselves while doing so without laying people off would force us to raise prices drastically,” the GM wrote.

What’s more, he added that the restaurant is a small business and noted that they treat their employees “like friends and family” because it’s a tight-knit local community.

“As far as wages go, servers do start at food service minimum wage which is $5.65/hr but many of our staff have been with us long enough that we’ve given them raises. With that and the tips they currently make, my servers typically make in the ballpark of $30/hr. We also pay our bartenders a good bit above base pay as we recognize their wider skill set and also get a handsome tip out. Our hosts and bussers make well above minimum as well and receive tips and tip out on top of that,” he gave some additional context, adding that “you’d be hard-pressed to find anyone that doesn’t like their job here.”

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Carol Emory
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'd like to slap the idiot that said "If you don't like the wages, then don't be a server." Not everyone has the same opportunities in life. Some are forced to leave school and start working at a young age. Some are from poor families that can't afford food, let alone a college education. It's easy to tell people to pull themselves up by their bootstraps when you're the only one wearing boots. My friends mother was a waitress for 20+ years. She was thrown into it because, up until she started doing it, she was married with 2 kids and expected to stay home with the children. When her deadbeat husband left paying no child support and no alimony, she was stuck. Her only saving grace was a boss that took pity on her and helped her get trained for medical billing and coding. Not all bosses are that helpful or generous.

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Jo Firth
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I wish I could upvote this more than once. I was furious when I saw her comment.

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WilvanderHeijden
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The US is still figuring out things that the rest of the world already figured out decades ago. But since 50% of the population is against livable wages in certain professions nothing is going to change in the next decades.

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nicholas nolan
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

See it’s not really 50% of the population. Florida, for example, is overwhelmingly Republican, but voted in a $15/hr state minimum wage hike at the same time they voted for Trump a second time. It’s important to remember that the 50 Republicans in the Senate only represent ~20% of the population of the country.

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Leo Domitrix
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Pay $15/hour for a minimum wage, and they don't need tips. Studies have shown that such raises in wages do NOT increase the cost of goods nearly as much as people think they will.

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Random Panda
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2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Completely agree. If restaurants raised prices in order to compensate for raising the wait staff wages the cost would go up like 10%. But as it is people are regularly expected to pay 20%, which is a lot unless the service was exceptional.

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Wilf
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So he is advertising that he won't pay his staff a living wage? Those arguments that if businesses had to pay a living wage the cost of food would rocket, or tips would dry up is nonsense. The UK minimum wage is US$12.57. Someone earning that much will pay ZERO income tax. Their take home pay for full time job will be approx $1800 a month. The statutory minimum paid holiday here is 28 days each year, and statutory sick leave is paid at US$139 a week minimum for up to 28 weeks (although most employers offer an occupational scheme which pays more). The cost of a "99 cent" cheeseburger in the UK is currently the equivalent of..... US$1.40, and that includes sales tax. I wonder how on earth can we all afford to eat here!!!????

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nicholas nolan
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

UK minimum is that low? I’m shocked, to be honest. I thought it was much higher.

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DarkLumiya
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

to this day i have yet to understand the messed up US system, the rest of the world is fine with wait staff making a proper wage and tipping is optional, how are you managing to get it so wrong

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Rita Shapiro
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Tipped food service workers spend a massive amount of time on side work (untippable tasks). You gonna step up and make them whole for that time? I'm guessing not. The restaurant industry is unique in that it's the only one that expects their customers to cover their payroll expense, thanks to their powerful lobby. We devalue work and overvalue ownership.

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Suzanne Haigh
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

In the UK many restaurants are very successful, their staff have a decent wage and get tipped as a thankyou for the service provided, not to make their wages livable. American dream is a fantasy,

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Mary Guerinot
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm so sick and tired of this argument. Tipping is NOT mandatory. Why should I be responsible to ensure a server is able to support their family, but their employer is not? I'm retired and live on a fixed income. I got a whole $15 COLA this year and that's $15 for the year! Next, as to the comments about staying home if I can't afford to tip. That's just stupid! Again, it's not my responsibility to take care of the server and their family. If the employer doesn't care, why should I? I've read posts from servers who say they receive more per shift that I make. If the servers think they don't make enough money, get another job. There are jobs out there for people without experience that pay more than minimum wage. They choose to work in this industry, so it's their problem, not mine. Sorry if this sounds unsympathetic, but this subject burns my butt. For the record, I do tip, but as you may have guessed, I don't like it.

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Jelena Putinja
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

US is exploiting people at max - Croatia is considered as buls** European country but our waiters get all wage taxes payed, social security payed and health insurance to and on their hands they get average national wage + they get tips and tips are for exceptional service - during summer in tourists places they usually live from tips and they wage goes for winter months when they use 30 days obligatory payed vacation + payed days for all overtime hours

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Hakitosama
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Pst... Pssssst USA..... In Belgium the minimum wage is ~ 12€(12,90$) and while it's not perfect....... Employees aren't dependant to the tips to live. Tipping isn't even part of our culture. We even call it "pourboire" roughly translated "for drinks". Meaning you literally offer a drink to the servers in case of good service. But HO MY GOOOD COMMUNIIIIISM right? 🙄

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Susan Egan
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Fact Sheet #15: Tipped Employees Under the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) Is a worthy read.

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Viv Hart
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Don't know about Europe, but in South Africa, tipping is about 15% of the bill, all these tips are shared out equally, so the kitchen staff also benefit. I usually put some extra cash under my plate, to be found when the server clears the table.

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backatya
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Most of these comments have a good point. The employer is responsible for their employees not the customer to pay them.

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Marvin HoG
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So all those restaurants in other parts of the world that do pay living wages and where the wait staff does not get tipped clearly are not actual working restaurants because you can't have a restaurant that stays open and pays a living wage that's just not possible. People in other countries are clearly going to pretend restaurants with made up wages.

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Pernille Dyre
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

An uneducated waiter in denmark makes minimum 20,27 us$/hour before taxes. Then theres tax, free schools, education, support during education, freelance healthcare etc. And we dont tip..... Get a union. Get real wages you can live by....

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Jim Takahashi
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Tipping is very patronizing and condescending, showing a sign of class society, which Damn’-MuriKKKa still is. Instead, guarantee reasonable minimum wages if you think you live in a modern, civilized society. Hope against hope, huh?

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kat lia
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Why can't restaurant's owners just give their servers a proper salary. I still don't understand this tipping thing. It seems that i have to tip because i feel pity for them and not because i get a good service.

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Paul Mitchell
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Just put up the cost of the meals by 15% and give the extra to the staff. Why is this so hard?

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Suzanne Haigh
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Does the government tax every single penny people earn? Other countries have an amount which above is taxable, below is not.

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John Abbott
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I was reading an article, and it linked to an old newspaper. Next to the story that I was interested in was an article about a new thing coming over to the US from Europe called "tipping". It explained what tipping was, a small additional percentage paid to the server for exceptional service. I guess that Europe has now either maintained the idea of "a little something extra" or has abandoned thing altogether. I think the intent of paying low wages, supplemented by large tips, is to absolve restaurant management of any responsibility to manage their serving staff; good servers will earn a good living, while bad servers will have to find another job. In practice, it doesn't work. Some customers pay no tip for good service, while others pay a large tip for bad service. At some places, servers pool their tip money together and split it equally, so good and bad servers make the same. At others, the kitchen staff also take some of the tips. Some restaurant managers pay only the difference

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John Abbott
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

...between the top money and the minimum wage. Some restaurant staff, such as bartenders, make a lot of money in tips, which they don't report on their tax returns; they want the small wage, large tip policy to continue. Well (Americans) need to go back to the original system of a living wage, with optional small tips for those who go over and above. America didn't invent tipping, Europe did, but Americans are the ones who ruined it.

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Laura Pantazis
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Just to clarify - tipped staff must receive at least minimum wage after all tips and hours are accounted for in each pay period. The lower tipped minimum wage is only used when the amount that staff earns after the hourly rate and tips exceeds minimum wage at the end of the pay period. If the tipped staff received no tips in a pay period, the employer must compensate for the extra money so that they receive at least the standard minimum wage.

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Faith Hurst
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Weirdly I live in a state where servers make state minimum ($14.00 and hour) plus tips (at the least). I've eaten at restaurants in every state except Alaska and meal prices are pretty much the same in similar establishments. Paying more has not made the meals astronomically expensive.

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Vera Mzega
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This never happens in my country....none that I know of tho. You might even get fired for accepting a "tip" buh then again WDIK

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gaston caffaratti
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"Who in their right mind is going to tell their boss, ‘No, I’m unhappy with the way things are going?" That's what Unions are for, or at least what they should be for...

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Jade Lynn - Panda's Brat
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If someone is already making s**t pay adding the cost of a union is not going to help things.

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Benjamin Thor Collier V
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I tip when it's deserved. And it usually is. I tip 20%, usually more. But trying to 'shame' me into it? I don't think so...

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Norart
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yay I love these articles that allow foreigners to manipulate Americans to pour fuel in class warfare fires. That's entertainment!

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Nikki Sevven
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Other than restaurants, the only people complaining about paying servers a living wage are people who don't tip. I automatically tip 20%, and have tipped 50% for exceptional service. If restaurants actually paid their employees and raised their prices to cover it, my cost wouldn't change much. I tip well because I've worked in the service industry.

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Mary Guerinot
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Well, good for you. I still say that it's not my responsibility to make sure servers can support their family. I'm responsible for MY family. I live on a fixed income and certainly don't expect anyone else to supplement my income. I've also worked in the service industry, but didn't get tips in most of them, nor did I expect to. Too many people expect tips today - car wash employees, hair dressers, etc. Where does it end?

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Wilf
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Americans, both employees and consumers need to stop playing the owners' game. Stop habitually tipping servers. Service industry workers will abandon the industry in their droves and owners will have to either offer a living wage to attract them back, or go out of business. If you tip a server, you're perpetuating the problem.

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Becky Samuel
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

A much better and more ethical option is to choose restaurants that already pay their workers the living wage. If your favorite restaurant(s) don't do this then contact them and let them know exactly why they're losing your custom. We have the power but we choose not to use it,

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iblowsheep
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Protest this and don't go to restaurants so that way, you don't have to support the crappy pay practices, nor give into and perpetuate it by tipping.

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Genevieve Gaspe
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Years ago,when I served at tables(loved it) in a summer resort.I was given a table of four Europeans (France ) who for the better part of 4 hours verbaly abuse me, name calling and all! When ready to leave they paid their bills,and left me with pennies,Wich I quickly threw back in their faces as patrons applauded! Then, I proceded to call (no internet) all accomodations in the village....they had to leave not being able to find a place to stay!

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Jon Steensen
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Of course they could just be awfull people (sounds like they were), but as a European myself I find the American tipping culture rather odd. For me tipping should be an extra "gift" when you recieve an exceptional good service, beyond what can be expected. When a waiter is "just doing her job" her employer ought to pay for her work and include it in the meal's price, just as it covers the expenses of paying the cook and the guy who washes the floor. Having to pay the waiter seperately is just wierd to me, as she is just as much a part of the team as the guy washing the dishes. A mandatory tipping culture just gives rise to a lot of akward situations, especially when you are not used to it being the way that things are done. Most Europeans are not used to tipping people, as that is not how things are done over here. So in many cases not tipping might be a result of unawareness of culture rather than being ment as an insult. You should pay people a proper sallery for doing a proper job.

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yesyes?
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

We make 2.13hr here in South carolina and our boss loves to brag about what toy he's buying next and lives in a million dollar home. People coming in seem to feel they shouldn't have to tip bc the owner should pay a living wage. Well guess what... he doesn't. Please tip when you go out.

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Marcellus the Third
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The last reaction, "if we scale everything like the 1970s including the minimum wage then profitability would still be the same" is of course totally wrong. Nothing has scaled since then! E.g. food used to be 50+% of income with housing a small small part, now housing can be 30--50+% percent especially if renting in a big city. And in all chain/concept/franchise models cooking is idiot-proofed so minimum wagers can do it instead of having a real route from helper to chef. And the 70s had mostly one-off restaurants with a few early chains where now chains and their scale-for-profit-margin-squeezing dominate.

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FifiPanda
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

With all due respect- your percentages are way off. Max total percentage spent 9n food in 1970s US was about 14%. Minimum wage in all states should be raised to minimum standard living at THE LEAST. The US is supposed to be 1 of the wealthiest countries in the world. Yet our wealth gap & poverty rates are ridiculous. We have the 4th highest poverty rate in the world. That's an embarrassment

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This “US stupidity” argument needs to stop. It’s not based on the country. The US problem is just an excuse used in the US by greedy people who aren’t mature enough to admit it and take responsibility for their own actions. I’ve worked with all sorts in that industry, and it is not only due to the country of residence. Disney pays very little, demands it all, and fires people the second they can’t keep up. While a “Mom and Pop” kitchen is a bit more understanding of what humans are, and makes efforts based on their own greed levels. Then we have the “foreign” owners. They can be either way. The point here? The business is only as good as the people in charge. Those whiners on the news crying that they can’t get workers can pay for it, but they chose to whine to the media in search of a handout from the government. Meanwhile, there are a dozen single kitchens open for business all hours of the day and night being operated by the owners themselves. Draw your own conclusions.

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Carol Emory
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'd like to slap the idiot that said "If you don't like the wages, then don't be a server." Not everyone has the same opportunities in life. Some are forced to leave school and start working at a young age. Some are from poor families that can't afford food, let alone a college education. It's easy to tell people to pull themselves up by their bootstraps when you're the only one wearing boots. My friends mother was a waitress for 20+ years. She was thrown into it because, up until she started doing it, she was married with 2 kids and expected to stay home with the children. When her deadbeat husband left paying no child support and no alimony, she was stuck. Her only saving grace was a boss that took pity on her and helped her get trained for medical billing and coding. Not all bosses are that helpful or generous.

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Jo Firth
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I wish I could upvote this more than once. I was furious when I saw her comment.

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WilvanderHeijden
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The US is still figuring out things that the rest of the world already figured out decades ago. But since 50% of the population is against livable wages in certain professions nothing is going to change in the next decades.

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nicholas nolan
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

See it’s not really 50% of the population. Florida, for example, is overwhelmingly Republican, but voted in a $15/hr state minimum wage hike at the same time they voted for Trump a second time. It’s important to remember that the 50 Republicans in the Senate only represent ~20% of the population of the country.

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Leo Domitrix
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Pay $15/hour for a minimum wage, and they don't need tips. Studies have shown that such raises in wages do NOT increase the cost of goods nearly as much as people think they will.

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Random Panda
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2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Completely agree. If restaurants raised prices in order to compensate for raising the wait staff wages the cost would go up like 10%. But as it is people are regularly expected to pay 20%, which is a lot unless the service was exceptional.

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Wilf
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So he is advertising that he won't pay his staff a living wage? Those arguments that if businesses had to pay a living wage the cost of food would rocket, or tips would dry up is nonsense. The UK minimum wage is US$12.57. Someone earning that much will pay ZERO income tax. Their take home pay for full time job will be approx $1800 a month. The statutory minimum paid holiday here is 28 days each year, and statutory sick leave is paid at US$139 a week minimum for up to 28 weeks (although most employers offer an occupational scheme which pays more). The cost of a "99 cent" cheeseburger in the UK is currently the equivalent of..... US$1.40, and that includes sales tax. I wonder how on earth can we all afford to eat here!!!????

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nicholas nolan
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

UK minimum is that low? I’m shocked, to be honest. I thought it was much higher.

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DarkLumiya
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

to this day i have yet to understand the messed up US system, the rest of the world is fine with wait staff making a proper wage and tipping is optional, how are you managing to get it so wrong

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Rita Shapiro
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Tipped food service workers spend a massive amount of time on side work (untippable tasks). You gonna step up and make them whole for that time? I'm guessing not. The restaurant industry is unique in that it's the only one that expects their customers to cover their payroll expense, thanks to their powerful lobby. We devalue work and overvalue ownership.

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Suzanne Haigh
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

In the UK many restaurants are very successful, their staff have a decent wage and get tipped as a thankyou for the service provided, not to make their wages livable. American dream is a fantasy,

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Mary Guerinot
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm so sick and tired of this argument. Tipping is NOT mandatory. Why should I be responsible to ensure a server is able to support their family, but their employer is not? I'm retired and live on a fixed income. I got a whole $15 COLA this year and that's $15 for the year! Next, as to the comments about staying home if I can't afford to tip. That's just stupid! Again, it's not my responsibility to take care of the server and their family. If the employer doesn't care, why should I? I've read posts from servers who say they receive more per shift that I make. If the servers think they don't make enough money, get another job. There are jobs out there for people without experience that pay more than minimum wage. They choose to work in this industry, so it's their problem, not mine. Sorry if this sounds unsympathetic, but this subject burns my butt. For the record, I do tip, but as you may have guessed, I don't like it.

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Jelena Putinja
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

US is exploiting people at max - Croatia is considered as buls** European country but our waiters get all wage taxes payed, social security payed and health insurance to and on their hands they get average national wage + they get tips and tips are for exceptional service - during summer in tourists places they usually live from tips and they wage goes for winter months when they use 30 days obligatory payed vacation + payed days for all overtime hours

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Hakitosama
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Pst... Pssssst USA..... In Belgium the minimum wage is ~ 12€(12,90$) and while it's not perfect....... Employees aren't dependant to the tips to live. Tipping isn't even part of our culture. We even call it "pourboire" roughly translated "for drinks". Meaning you literally offer a drink to the servers in case of good service. But HO MY GOOOD COMMUNIIIIISM right? 🙄

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Susan Egan
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Fact Sheet #15: Tipped Employees Under the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) Is a worthy read.

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Viv Hart
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Don't know about Europe, but in South Africa, tipping is about 15% of the bill, all these tips are shared out equally, so the kitchen staff also benefit. I usually put some extra cash under my plate, to be found when the server clears the table.

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backatya
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Most of these comments have a good point. The employer is responsible for their employees not the customer to pay them.

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Marvin HoG
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So all those restaurants in other parts of the world that do pay living wages and where the wait staff does not get tipped clearly are not actual working restaurants because you can't have a restaurant that stays open and pays a living wage that's just not possible. People in other countries are clearly going to pretend restaurants with made up wages.

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Pernille Dyre
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

An uneducated waiter in denmark makes minimum 20,27 us$/hour before taxes. Then theres tax, free schools, education, support during education, freelance healthcare etc. And we dont tip..... Get a union. Get real wages you can live by....

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Jim Takahashi
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Tipping is very patronizing and condescending, showing a sign of class society, which Damn’-MuriKKKa still is. Instead, guarantee reasonable minimum wages if you think you live in a modern, civilized society. Hope against hope, huh?

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kat lia
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Why can't restaurant's owners just give their servers a proper salary. I still don't understand this tipping thing. It seems that i have to tip because i feel pity for them and not because i get a good service.

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Paul Mitchell
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Just put up the cost of the meals by 15% and give the extra to the staff. Why is this so hard?

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Suzanne Haigh
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Does the government tax every single penny people earn? Other countries have an amount which above is taxable, below is not.

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John Abbott
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I was reading an article, and it linked to an old newspaper. Next to the story that I was interested in was an article about a new thing coming over to the US from Europe called "tipping". It explained what tipping was, a small additional percentage paid to the server for exceptional service. I guess that Europe has now either maintained the idea of "a little something extra" or has abandoned thing altogether. I think the intent of paying low wages, supplemented by large tips, is to absolve restaurant management of any responsibility to manage their serving staff; good servers will earn a good living, while bad servers will have to find another job. In practice, it doesn't work. Some customers pay no tip for good service, while others pay a large tip for bad service. At some places, servers pool their tip money together and split it equally, so good and bad servers make the same. At others, the kitchen staff also take some of the tips. Some restaurant managers pay only the difference

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John Abbott
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

...between the top money and the minimum wage. Some restaurant staff, such as bartenders, make a lot of money in tips, which they don't report on their tax returns; they want the small wage, large tip policy to continue. Well (Americans) need to go back to the original system of a living wage, with optional small tips for those who go over and above. America didn't invent tipping, Europe did, but Americans are the ones who ruined it.

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Laura Pantazis
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Just to clarify - tipped staff must receive at least minimum wage after all tips and hours are accounted for in each pay period. The lower tipped minimum wage is only used when the amount that staff earns after the hourly rate and tips exceeds minimum wage at the end of the pay period. If the tipped staff received no tips in a pay period, the employer must compensate for the extra money so that they receive at least the standard minimum wage.

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Faith Hurst
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Weirdly I live in a state where servers make state minimum ($14.00 and hour) plus tips (at the least). I've eaten at restaurants in every state except Alaska and meal prices are pretty much the same in similar establishments. Paying more has not made the meals astronomically expensive.

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Vera Mzega
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This never happens in my country....none that I know of tho. You might even get fired for accepting a "tip" buh then again WDIK

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gaston caffaratti
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"Who in their right mind is going to tell their boss, ‘No, I’m unhappy with the way things are going?" That's what Unions are for, or at least what they should be for...

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Jade Lynn - Panda's Brat
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If someone is already making s**t pay adding the cost of a union is not going to help things.

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Benjamin Thor Collier V
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I tip when it's deserved. And it usually is. I tip 20%, usually more. But trying to 'shame' me into it? I don't think so...

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Norart
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yay I love these articles that allow foreigners to manipulate Americans to pour fuel in class warfare fires. That's entertainment!

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Nikki Sevven
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Other than restaurants, the only people complaining about paying servers a living wage are people who don't tip. I automatically tip 20%, and have tipped 50% for exceptional service. If restaurants actually paid their employees and raised their prices to cover it, my cost wouldn't change much. I tip well because I've worked in the service industry.

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Mary Guerinot
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Well, good for you. I still say that it's not my responsibility to make sure servers can support their family. I'm responsible for MY family. I live on a fixed income and certainly don't expect anyone else to supplement my income. I've also worked in the service industry, but didn't get tips in most of them, nor did I expect to. Too many people expect tips today - car wash employees, hair dressers, etc. Where does it end?

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Wilf
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Americans, both employees and consumers need to stop playing the owners' game. Stop habitually tipping servers. Service industry workers will abandon the industry in their droves and owners will have to either offer a living wage to attract them back, or go out of business. If you tip a server, you're perpetuating the problem.

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Becky Samuel
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

A much better and more ethical option is to choose restaurants that already pay their workers the living wage. If your favorite restaurant(s) don't do this then contact them and let them know exactly why they're losing your custom. We have the power but we choose not to use it,

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iblowsheep
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Protest this and don't go to restaurants so that way, you don't have to support the crappy pay practices, nor give into and perpetuate it by tipping.

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Genevieve Gaspe
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Years ago,when I served at tables(loved it) in a summer resort.I was given a table of four Europeans (France ) who for the better part of 4 hours verbaly abuse me, name calling and all! When ready to leave they paid their bills,and left me with pennies,Wich I quickly threw back in their faces as patrons applauded! Then, I proceded to call (no internet) all accomodations in the village....they had to leave not being able to find a place to stay!

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Jon Steensen
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Of course they could just be awfull people (sounds like they were), but as a European myself I find the American tipping culture rather odd. For me tipping should be an extra "gift" when you recieve an exceptional good service, beyond what can be expected. When a waiter is "just doing her job" her employer ought to pay for her work and include it in the meal's price, just as it covers the expenses of paying the cook and the guy who washes the floor. Having to pay the waiter seperately is just wierd to me, as she is just as much a part of the team as the guy washing the dishes. A mandatory tipping culture just gives rise to a lot of akward situations, especially when you are not used to it being the way that things are done. Most Europeans are not used to tipping people, as that is not how things are done over here. So in many cases not tipping might be a result of unawareness of culture rather than being ment as an insult. You should pay people a proper sallery for doing a proper job.

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yesyes?
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

We make 2.13hr here in South carolina and our boss loves to brag about what toy he's buying next and lives in a million dollar home. People coming in seem to feel they shouldn't have to tip bc the owner should pay a living wage. Well guess what... he doesn't. Please tip when you go out.

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Marcellus the Third
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The last reaction, "if we scale everything like the 1970s including the minimum wage then profitability would still be the same" is of course totally wrong. Nothing has scaled since then! E.g. food used to be 50+% of income with housing a small small part, now housing can be 30--50+% percent especially if renting in a big city. And in all chain/concept/franchise models cooking is idiot-proofed so minimum wagers can do it instead of having a real route from helper to chef. And the 70s had mostly one-off restaurants with a few early chains where now chains and their scale-for-profit-margin-squeezing dominate.

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FifiPanda
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

With all due respect- your percentages are way off. Max total percentage spent 9n food in 1970s US was about 14%. Minimum wage in all states should be raised to minimum standard living at THE LEAST. The US is supposed to be 1 of the wealthiest countries in the world. Yet our wealth gap & poverty rates are ridiculous. We have the 4th highest poverty rate in the world. That's an embarrassment

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TK 421
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This “US stupidity” argument needs to stop. It’s not based on the country. The US problem is just an excuse used in the US by greedy people who aren’t mature enough to admit it and take responsibility for their own actions. I’ve worked with all sorts in that industry, and it is not only due to the country of residence. Disney pays very little, demands it all, and fires people the second they can’t keep up. While a “Mom and Pop” kitchen is a bit more understanding of what humans are, and makes efforts based on their own greed levels. Then we have the “foreign” owners. They can be either way. The point here? The business is only as good as the people in charge. Those whiners on the news crying that they can’t get workers can pay for it, but they chose to whine to the media in search of a handout from the government. Meanwhile, there are a dozen single kitchens open for business all hours of the day and night being operated by the owners themselves. Draw your own conclusions.

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