This Group Is Sharing Painful Truths And Jokes About Being Poor, Here Are 40 Of The Best
InterviewGoogle "how to save money" and you'll get 3,740,000,000 results, promising you will be able to save up for any purchase if you just give them a click and scroll through their ads. Oops, I mean, text. Move over Jerome Powell, nowadays even teenage TikTokers are experts on macro and micro economy. Or are they?
The members of the subreddit Poverty Finance: Personal Finance For The Financially Challenged don't think so. And when you look at their content, it becomes pretty difficult to disagree with them. These Redditors share actual financial advice, frugality tips, stories, opportunities, and general guidance for people who are struggling financially. Oh, and they also torch pseudo financial gurus, burning their out-of-touch content to a crisp. My favorite.
So this time, as an introduction to the online community, we'll focus on the jokes and memes they've collected since getting together in 2018.
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Being Poor Is A Choice? If You Play By The Rules You'll Be Safe? Really? Tell That To Him
I will never understand, why US people never fought for NHS. They can fight for every small stupid things (sorry) but not for important thing like this? I hope you wife is doing well now.
Oh, it’s easy to understand: conservative leadership has one master which is the corporations. The conservative agenda has used triggers like abortion, religion, fear if communism, fear if unions, and fear if change as a weaponizer of their voting base. This has been going on since Reagan war invoking lowering taxes of the wealthy (how he got thrust into Californian politics in the early 60’s) and deregulation. Foot shooters not understanding that they are the government brainwashed into thinking their needs are subservient to corporations
Load More Replies...So much for the 'American Dream'. I grew up wanting to live in the states, believing it was the most glamorous place on earth. As an adult, I'm glad I didn't leave the UK. We have our faults but knowing I have free healthcare and a benefit system should things get awful is a blessing.
How much longer do you think the NHS can last under the present government? They have underfunded it for many years and are now in the process of quietly privatising, one bit at a time, flogging it off to the same US corporations that overcharge and under-serve Americans.
Load More Replies...american could finance great healcare if only they cut their military budget by 5%
Let me correct that for you. If they cut it by 0,5%. Yes, that is how much money the US army is using. That amount of money going to healthcare, could literally give them the same benefits, as northerneurpean and scandinavian countries gets.
Load More Replies...I was talking to my father's hospice nurse and honestly just in aw of them and how they dealt with death and grief everyday and said how hard that has to be and thanked them. The nurse said that she handles it well except for the young people. She said they get a lot of young people who could have lived but are in hospice care instead because they couldn't afford treatment. People in their 20s that could have been cured, even had insurance, but she is helping them die slowly instead.
My God, how painful... In ANY OTHER INDUSTRIALIZED COUNTRY in the world, they would have spent almost zero...
One reason I'm glad that I'm Canadian. Spent 9 days in ICU last December, lots of Iv's and sedatives, didn't pay a dime.
A huge part of this community's charm is its inclusivity. "Much of the financial advice online and on Reddit is aimed at people who have varying degrees of disposable income, ability to invest, lots of free time, available transportation, no kids, a partner, access to credit, and beyond," the people running the subreddit write in its 'About' section.
"This is a place for people who do not have a lot, nor ideal circumstances, to help each other get by and hopefully move up in the world."
Being Poor Is Expensive
This is pure gold. Prattchet is a genius. But not only that. Before you could sort of trust that more expensive objects were of better quality. But nowadays most clothes and shoes (not talking about really expensive ones but the ones you can buy in still expensive brands like Nike) can be very expensive and still be done with cheap materials that do not last long. Nowadays often the price is in the brand and not the quality. So how am I going to risk buying a 100€ boots (even if i could afford them) of they are likely to last as little as the 20€ ones?
this is so true. i go through shoes quickly they either wear out easily on the souls or split/separate at the sides or toes. i have tried pricier brands and have tried cheaper brands, none of them really last that long. Now i make it a thing to check every shoe to see if it is stitched or glued before even trying them on and that still doesn't account for other quality issues and it doesn't change based on how expensive the shoes are either.
Load More Replies...I have an employee who I found out was going to pay day loans every month because she is is always short when rent is due. I own my home and she rents, I don't get a late fee until the 16th, she gets a late fee on the 2nd and every following day she is late. My 4 bedroom house cost me $850 a month, her 2 bedroom apartment is $1,300 a month. I told her I had a line of credit from my bank for if I was short so I could move money over, her bank told her no when she applied for a line of credit. I fought to get her a raise, but the raise ended up being less than the increase for cost of living. It pains me to have an employee of mine that works like hell using pay day loans when our institution brings in around a billion in research funds every year. Being poor is incredibly expensive.
if there is one lesson my grandmother taught me is to be good to your feet. granted, i didn't listen when it came to high heels and, therefore, am not paying the price for it. but, when it comes to spending more for quality she was right. the only thing that annoys the hell out of me is nowadays 'cobblers' / shoe repair people are hard if not impossible to find. where i lived the man there had been there for at least 40 yrs, later taken over by his son. but, eventually, cheap disposable shoes caused him to close his business.
So true. The only place I can find where I live in the UK is a chain called Timpsons which are ok but not great. I'm ever hopeful that people will stop buying cheap disposable fashion and will want things repaired and altered. I have a pair of boots that I bought maybe 15 years ago that I wear a lot in the autumn/winter and it'll be the first time I'll be getting the heels fixed. They weren't massively expensive but the quality is exceptional and I wish I'd bought another pair at the time!
Load More Replies...While the above quote is poignant, having grown up extremely poor and no longer so, it’s possible to make tough sacrifices to invest in things like a pair of boots that last a few years that will help pull yourself out of poverty. Imagine the poor person who did manage to save for the boots, could then easily save for the next pair over two or three years and still have more money at the end of the day. When you are extremely poor, either you can blame the system and stay poor or you can find a way to climb up the ladder. I chose to understand early that the system was very unfair, and society was shirking its responsibility, but where there is a lack of responsibility, opportunity blossoms. I took the opportunity despite the hardships. Now apparently I’m an oppressor… 🤦♂️🤷♂️
If it makes you feel better Sam Vimes ends up doing well for himself through circumstances. A key aspect of his character though is that he never forgot where he started from, nor let his better fortune go to his head. An important lesson there.
Load More Replies...What A Lot Of "Frugal Bloggers" Don't Realize
So true! Every time I read an article about saving money, I am already doing all of those things because I am poor.
What happens is, middle-aged people (like myself) will go out to a nice restaurant, and we'll look around and say, "Look at all these young people, buying $16 cocktails and $40 dinners. Yet they complain they're broke. I didn't have money to spend on nice restaurants when I was in my 20s!" What we fail to consider is that these people in front of us are the RICH KIDS. The poor ones are home in their crappy apartments they share with 3 other broke people, eating ramen noodles and watching Netflix with a borrowed password. And the reverse is also true. Broke young people look at us and say, "Look at all those greedy old rich people, dropping all that money on their steaks and martinis." Not realizing that the people doing that are the affluent ones. There are plenty of older people who are struggling to pay their bills, and they're lucky if they can afford to go to The Olive Garden on their birthday. Generations are not a monolith.
That used to be more than 2 weeks of food for me. I used to spend about 20 euros a week.
Load More Replies...I'm so tired of these 'savings experts' saying go to a cheaper restaurant and use discount codes and vouchers, making the assumption that I go out anywhere near that regularly (I don't go out at all atm) to dinner that'd it make a big difference to my finances
Coupons are usually only for brand-name items, and if you're smart you're already buying generic, and the coupon doesn't make the brand name item cheaper than the generic.
Load More Replies...ANY ONE who assumes how much you spend on the basics is too much should be told to f**k off because they are out of touch with reality. I spend £5 on coffee about once every 2 weeks if you factor in hot water, milk and sweeteners
I used to think I was hopelessly bad with money because I didn't have any. So I bought this personal finance book that claimed to have lots of tips for young people who were always broke. It turned out I was doing everything it said to do, and I wasn't doing any of the things it said to avoid. The real problem, as it turned out, was that I wasn't making enough money. The book didn't have any real solution for that.
I'm collecting recipes for meals that cost less than 1 € per serve for the jobless people I work with. But Main problem is: You can't buy and prepare in bulks when you don't own a fridge. They could save so much money and could have cheap but healthy meals if they'd be able to buy in special sales and store it.
Starbucks isn't a billion dollar industry for nothing. There are a lot of people who claim they're broke, but they just *have* to have their unicorn latte in the morning. Gotta get that insta envy from internet strangers. Some people may not waste money there, but a lot do when they shouldn't be.
As of this publication, it has 847K members and if you relate to Poverty Finance's content, we suggest you join them too. "You do not have to be absolutely destitute to be here. Whether you are a single parent only pulling 10K a year, or a single person trying to get past student loans at 28K, you are welcome here," the moderators say.
"The goal here is to help anyone who doesn't have a lot of breathing room get to a place where they have stability, comfort, contingency, and maybe even a little luxury."
So True It Hurts
We picked a credit union because we made it clear that if we don't have the money, we wanted to be declined. No bank would agree to that but we found a credit union that promised they would not if we signed up for the overdraft protection. They got rid of it a year later without telling us, my husband was 50 cents short and our credit union allowed the cable company to try to run the payment 3 times in one day, meaning 3 overdraft fees of $32 for being 50 cents short. My husband gave a very impassioned speech in the lobby, about how they were their to protect our money and they had left us exposed, etc. Told them that our money was better protected in our mattress. The manager came out, agreed with my husbands logic and set us up a line of credit so if we don't have the funds in our account, it pulls from the line of credit automatically. No overdraft fees in 10 years. Highly recommend if you can find a bank who will set that up for you.
Oh wow! This is good, thank you! (And I love that your husband made a big speech in the bank!)
Load More Replies...Banks charge you for not having money; and give you more when you do have money
Yes. Yes it is. I loathe how the world has accepted the ideas for fees for overdrafts, higher costs for check cashing, astronomical fees on payday loans, etc. The whole point is the people needing these services don't have money. Why did we accept that they should pay the most fees?
They took their cue from the government. We have a system of legalized extortion that says if you don't have enough money to afford health insurance, you'll be fined. We had to pay $1,800 one year in fines for being too poor to afford their extortion insurance that covered nothing until you paid over 15k out of pocket. Then it covered 40%. It cost $468/month. Nope. Cheaper to pay the fine.
This is because of the insurance companies. These for-profit companies lobbied to do this to you, it wasn't "the government's" idea in the first place. The companies want to keep lots of healthy young people paying into their system, because these people don't need many health pay-outs. That's how they make a profit. Because the ACA made it so insurance companies couldn't deny people with pre-existing conditions, and these people cost the insurance company a lot more, so it cuts into their profit. If young healthy people could opt out of insurance, leaving older and unhealthier people on the books, they would not get as many profits. Hence a penalty for not lining the pockets of shareholders of for-profit insurance companies.
Load More Replies...I had never heard of over draft fees before I moved to Canada. They don't exist in Europe. There, if you don't have enough money in you account, it gets bounced. No fees. Here the payment gets processed and then reversed and you have to pay a $40 fee for it. A terrible and unjust system, that should be illegal.
And they order your debits largest to smallest, so that as many as possible will bounce and maximize their fees. Diabolical.
Are used to have an account at US Bank. One weekend I was charged $175 in overdraft fees that added up to me really being only $10 short in my account. The following week I tried talking to someone at the bank and they told me they could not help though I know they just didn't want to. I was poor and broke my account in the negative I closed my account that day and eventually paid them back and every time I hear US Bank I make sure I tell that story. It's been 20 years and I will never stop telling that story.
They can be, which is why you gotta do your research. Ultimately, they can do more (good) for you than not, so it's a good idea to have an account, even if you don't ever draw from it.
Load More Replies...Just A Holiday Reminder
That's how I think about unnecessary purchases. "Well, this coat will cost me three days work", or renting a movie will cost five minutes work, or and a possible vacation will cost two weeks work or whatever. Thinking about whether an item is worth the amount of work put into buying it really puts things into perspective!
It is also how i survived some of my worst jobs. Literally counting every hour how nuch I was making (a missery because it was minimum wage but still a consolation). Like "ok thats another 10 euros in my pocket!".
Load More Replies...I wouldn't care if the younger people in my family who work for pay like that NEVER gave me a birthday or Christmas present EVER. They work hard for their money and have a lot of their own expenses too. What little they have to spare they should enjoy on themselves. They've earned it so they deserve it. Having them around and the sheer pleasure and joy of their company is a good enough gift for me. I am blessed with a truly warm kind and loving family who fill my world with joy fun and sunshine. You can't buy that. But it's free and priceless and the most important and beautiful thing in the world. And they gift me with every time I see them.
You deserve a million upvotes. Best post ever written. Say hello to Shilo for me.
Load More Replies...I've been saving money since I was 14 years old, and I'm now at a point where I can buy a decent gift for someone and take a month to top my funds back up. I'm 50 now.
Exactly the reason I stopped doing holidays, especially Christmas, all together. It's become more about what you can buy. Meanwhile, you want to go see your family and have a nice meal? Do it. Just because it's Friday. You don't need some special date on a calendar to tell you it's ok. As for the presents? I'd rather have experiences. And you getting something as a gift for someone because you feel socially obligated takes all the meaning out of it.
We contacted the moderator team and one of them was kind enough to spare their morning break for us. Regarding the content on the subreddit, they told Bored Panda: "There are fewer themes and more cyclical subject matters that come up depending upon the time of the year and the current economic and social ongoings. Right this moment, questions about housing, the moratoriums, how to get an apartment with low credit, or whether even buying a house is within the budget of those who fit within the national and international descriptions of low income/poverty line."
As an example, the moderator took us back a few months ago when there were many questions regarding the Emergency Broadband Benefit program issued by the government. But with fall fast approaching, they think the subreddit will soon see questions about how to get supplies for students and questions on how to qualify for free or reduced lunches at school."
Had A Good Laugh At This
Love this! I think I'll go out today and invest in some avocados. I finished my last investment (bananas), and want a change now.
Wow, you're a risk taker! Bananas can go from green to black almost overnight.
Load More Replies...I wonder if the other person was embarrassed after such a response.
Load More Replies...Don't know why this reminds me of growing up in Cincinnati and the first thing anybody ever asks you is what high school you went to because then they judge you on that. They can tell you're so silly phenomic status why the high school you went to, and whether they were going to continue to have a conversation with you or not. Works for me, as soon as they asked me that I knew I didn't want anything to do with them
LOL!! Mine are ripe now. The trick is to go through self check if you buy fruits and especially avocados, then you can be real careful so they don't get bruised. Check stand people get peevish if you ask them to be extra careful.
*Sad Noises*
This is exactly my situation. Rent is almost 900e/month. If I somehow managed to save 4000-6000e, I could ask for a loan at the bank and buy a nice place at 120k. And pay that 500e or something a month for 25 years. But I can't save much because my pay is 1900e / month and over half goes to rent and bills.
A nice place at 120k in an area where you pay 900 Euro rent? Either you live in a luxury flat in a poor area now and want to buy a normal flat or you live in a normal flat and want to buy a closet.
Load More Replies...It's a good thing that landlords exist. In countries where there are strict rules and laws, the system of renting out property to people who can't or aren't willing to buy, works. And as in all walks in life, there are good and bad landlords. But it's up to the renter to keep his eyes open before signing a contract for some moldy dump infested with bed bugs and cockroaches.
Load More Replies...It has now got to the stage where landlords want to check that you can afford the rent. So I'm renting a house for £800 a month now and I want to rent yours for £800 a month. How much do you earn? We'll only rent it to you if the rent will be less than a third of your income. **** off!
I got refused a house share once because I was on a part time contract with a constant supply of overtime if needed yet they didn't think my income or job was stable enough to live there. I'm sorry but the reason I wanted a house share was because I'm on low income jokes on them after finding another house share for six months I have the same job with my own private rent flat now.
Load More Replies...A 20% downpayment wasn't so unreasonable back when houses weren't so expensive. Now it's just a huge barrier for the vast majority of people.
Well, this example sucks, because owning a home is more than just your mortgage. A lot more. So if you can't save besides that 1000 dollars, you won't be able to save as a home owner. And probably will lack the money to keep the property up. That means that the investment for the bank is at a high risk. They only do that, because they don't give a s**t about you and have to by law be more strict when it comes to this. That's also not meant to defend the system, the system sucks balls.
As someone who looked into buying an apartment, the places that look cheap on paper in a bad market are shitholes that have fallen into so much disrepair that you’ll just end up paying the higher amount anyway. And/or you still have to pay building rent, which is hidden in the small print and the building owner can and will jack that up at any time. Tweets like this just gave me false hope that once I DID save the equivalent of £25k, I’d be able to afford to buy an apartment.
Yes, you pay more to your landlord, but you pay flexibility. You can leave anytime and if you fail to pay, your contract stop. However, with a bank, you lose this flexibility. And thus the bank needs to be sure that you can actually pay on the long term (I live in my van, actually. Cheaper and easier)
They have this thing called mortgage insurance, basically it means your mortgage is $150 more a month because you don't have a down payment. When we bought a house we basically sold everything we had to avoid that mortgage insurance. Wasn't enough so we went to my FIL and he loaned us the remainder of the down payment. I am incredibly grateful that was an option for us. We could afford the extra $150 but it was such bullshit to have that in the first place. Since we bought a foreclosure we were able to refinance because we had over 100k in equity and paid my FIL back the down payment. My family lives in poverty so it would have never been an option for me if I hadn't married my husband. His family isn't rich but he's dad had just sold his business and retired. Felt horrible to then ask him to lend us part of his retirement even though we paid him back immediately.
"Once we approach November to December, we will be fielding questions with regards to worries about being able to afford gifts for their children, how to survive the holidays if you are economically disadvantaged," they continued. "Year-round common subject matters tend to be where to find the resources for food, someone to handhold or direct on how to apply for SNAP/EBT, Section 8 Housing, the hardships of just existing in society this day and age and just looking for some emotional support from their economic peers."
According to the moderator, their community is mostly composed of those who have or are currently experiencing poverty. "Whether it's [someone who faces] generational poverty, long-term poverty, short-term poverty, or self-identify as low income for their various regions. We have those who have made it out and into the middle class but are still dealing with the after-effects of having experienced poverty short or long term and the problems that that in and of itself brings."
Financial Health Is The Best Form Of Therapy
Money doesn't buy happiness, but it does buy food, housing, heat, clothing....
Money doesn't buy happiness, sure, but it sure as heck helps a lot. I'd rather live in a house I can call my own rather than pay almost 900e / month rent
Money wouldnt buy me happiness. But it would allow me to have my own appartment and leave my sexist partner. Go back to my country so i can be with loved ones instead of alone the entire day at home. Would allow me to afford private health insurance (i cant have a oublic one). Would allow me to chose to go abroad to seek health specialists that might help me with my diseases. Would allow me to hire a cleaning person and groceries delivery so I experience less pain doing housechores. Might make me independent and feel less of a useless child that never will be able of taking care of herself...
And I need therapy but can’t afford it even with insurance so there’s that too 😏
The money doesn't make you happy, but the lack of money definitely makes you unhappy.
Exactly. Being poor is a form of trauma. Ending that trauma doesn’t fix your other trauma. It’s so uneventful when you figure it out too. Money only solves money problems.
Load More Replies...Can Anyone Explain Where My Starbucks Money Is Going?
Not drinking enough coffee. You could be a billionaire when you're high on caffeine. Infact, you could be anything.
So the more coffee you’re NOT drinking at Starbucks the more money you make. I guess I should drink more Starbucks so I can quit drinking more Starbucks. Jacuzzi, here I come!
Load More Replies...I have gone to Starbucks perhaps 10 times in my life and I never buy coffee unless I need a place where to rest (like if I need to wait for the bus or so). Thats 31 years of amking tea or coffee at home. I dont even buy avocados because they are too expensive. Where are my billions?
Clearly, you shouldn't be drining coffee at all. Collect rain water and drink THAT, because it's free.
Although... when covid started, my husband and I made a pact to have no restaurant food at all, even take-out. (We weren't sure about finances at the time, so it seemed like one sensible sacrifice we could make to our budget.) After a year, we were shocked at how much money we saved, how much weight we lost, and how much better our blood pressure was without all that sodium. Sometimes starting with a small thing can make more of a difference than you expect.
Did they give up coffee AND avocados? If not, that's your problem right there.
Certified financial planner and frequent contributor to Forbes, Jeff Rose, agrees that there is no shortage of bad financial advice in this world. Rose finds it especially troubling when some of them become so widely spread, so championed, that people actually start blindly following them. The financial planner believes the most harmful tips are: 1. Never use credit cards; 2. Don't waste money on conveniences; 3. All debt is bad; 4. Getting a tax refund is bad; 5. Always get the 401k match; 6. Your home is your most valuable asset. Click here if you want to read Rose's thoughts on each point.
Talking about bad financial advice, the moderator of Poverty Finance thinks it has to do less with authors and influencers being out of touch and more with the fact that one size rarely fits all. "More and more people gain access to technology that's being developed to give the everyman more access over their finances and their financial future," they explained. "Things that were previously thought to be the purview of just the upper class or left to the financial professionals who knew better."
Pretty Much
The law says that children MUST have food, clothing, and shelter …it doesn’t say what kind of shelter ( a cardboard box or a car or a house) or how much food or how often or how many outfits of clothing. Americans are supposed to be the richest people with the richest nation in natural resources… why are people going to bed hungry? Living in cars or in parks? Why?!!
Very little affordable housing in the United States. That is, if you want to live somewhere reasonably safe.
Stress
Now if only the doctors would both hear it and adjust accordingly!!
Load More Replies...It is important for doctors to know that they can't write a prescription for the stress that poverty brings. Stop being poor, doesn't help either.
And worse, no matter who you are, if you are poor they still put you into categories.
But they wonder if it can also be a sign of gatekeeping: "Oh, you're poor? Then you have no need for financial advice, it won't benefit you or the maintenance costs made what amount you wanted to add in, too costly and pointless. You can't come up with 10k to open an investment account? They don't want to deal with you. Salary jobs usually come with a 401k, hourly jobs at McDonald's and the like generally do not, and so you're left on your own to figure it out because no one will help you."
The good thing is that technology might be starting to bridge that. "People realize that there are far more low-income and middle-income individuals with a willingness and ability to put away ten, twenty, a hundred, five hundred a month into an account. Who care about not having to work once they hit sixty-five. A neglected and overlooked economic subset who have a significant buying power en mass. But the advice isn't there from the usual places because their advice only works for the upper income. For the gross amounts of money vs the smaller amounts," the moderator added.
I Know Many Of Us Are Taking Responsibility For Our Part, But...
The lie that all poor people are poor because they're "bad with money" needs to die.
Can we also talk about the other side of the equation? Things shouldn’t COST so much. Can we get lower prices please? Raising minimum wage just leads to raised prices, so maybe let’s also lower the cost of living a bit.
we need something to control price hikes when wages go up. businesses(Corporate, not small) should pull that money from their asses not ours.
Load More Replies...There’s really no benefit for employers to even pay poverty wage anyway. You’ll end up with the most stressed out employees whose lives are out of whack and you can’t find anyone else because being that poor creates a ton of other problems. If you give people a decent enough wage then they’ll be better prepared to work and you can do more of whatever the fuçk it is you do. Where I live I couldn’t pay anyone less than like $18 an hour, for my own benefit, and theirs too. And that’s for the part-time pretty much relax and do nothing job. You’re wasting money and ruining productivity if you’re paying poverty wage.
Decent wage is that cover basic cost of living is wonderful, But if we don’t have healthcare that’s affordable and accessible to everybody it’s not gonna matter how much money you bring in if you get injured. The healthcare system is going to suck up every cent you ever saved, And if you can’t afford to pay for that healthcare system you’re going to lose everything anyway. Especially if you can’t work after an injury or an accident. So be thankful you have a job and then take care of yourself so you can continue working
Absolutely. I saved money for years and then lost it all to medical costs when 2 of my kids got seriously ill. By then I was old enough that age discrimination kicked in and I have not even been offered an interview for regular work for years.You don't hear much about age discrimination on BP because most of you are clearly very young (and by very young, I mean in your 30's or younger), but believe me, it is the most pervasive and unchallengeable employment discrimination out there.
Load More Replies...Been there. The lecture started with: If you start saving $1000 at age 17, you will have $y by age x. Sure, anyone can save $1000 at age 17. What planet are you on?
Forced to use the self checkout at the grocery store the other day. I got thinking, if raising the minimum wage had as big an impact on prices as they say I should have demanded 80% off on my purchases.
Absolutely right, I have twice had financial experts come to help me sort out why my husband could not pay his tax bill, only to tell me there was nothing he could change about the way I did the budgeting as I was making a better job of it than he could. They waived the tax bill.
I grew up to junkie parents, living in poverty, social programs, the works. I worked a "poverty wage" job and got my degree later in life. My brothers who grew up in the SAME situation are destitute and dead from drugs. Being poor is a CHOICE. I own an amazing house next to the golf course and drive $50,000 cars. BY MY CHOICE I refused to not get out of poverty, no one helped me or gave me higher wages for the same work.
You are amazingly lucky and driven, and I congratulate you on your achievement! If the accumulation of wealth icons is your only goal, it's much easier to achieve that than if you have multiple life goals. It's not a judgement, merely an observation. But I wonder what you had to sacrifice to obtain that level of success. Are you debt-free? Do you work several jobs? How is your life/work balance? Do you have your own spouse/children you also take care of? Do they have medical insurance? So many factors can make it difficult for anyone to achieve what you have - congratulations on making it happen!
Load More Replies...It’s Not That Hard
I am devastated with guilt that I wasn't born to rich parents. What was I thinking?!?
Very poor thinking indeed! You deserve to be poor I guess....
Load More Replies..."Because I'm Daddy's special boy"! I'm crying! But damn it's true.
I hate that. Even if our parents could afford buying us a home (lets say that they can). Even if technically a person is not poor. Why is it aceptable that adults with education and that try to find a job or have one need to rely on their parents to have a place to live? My two cousins studied economics (so dont come with the bs of 'they did gender studies") and speak fluently spanish, catalan, english and french (plus one of them okaish italian). They are now 36 and 38 and have a home solely because their parents have family money and bought them each an appartment.
I’m a baby boomer. I grew up poor. I have nothing. I put myself through school I got a good job and I got screwed by the system when doing that job I had an industrial accident, Destroying my career choice inviting good number of unscrupulous doctors and attorneys into my life, Leaving me homeless for over 10 years, and BONUS - now I get to be a target of hyper judgementalism by people who think being on welfare, and/or being disabled is some sort of privilege. The only people on welfare who have privilege is Corporate America and Wall Street
In all fairness, todays youth doesn't stand a chance. My wife bought our house in the 1990's for €50 000. Today there's an estimate of €210 000 for the house.
Hell, we bought a twin-home in 2019 and the value has gone up almost $20,000 since then. It's absolutely nuts!
Load More Replies...But the reality is a bit worrying. Financial literacy — defined as the knowledge and understanding of areas related to personal finance, money, and investing — has been in decline. In 2009, 42% of respondents were able to answer four or more questions correctly in a five-question survey on fundamental concepts of economics and personal finance. By 2018 this dropped 8 percentage points to 34%. What's even more alarming, less than one-third of adults understand three basic financial literacy topics by age 40, although many important financial decisions are made decades earlier.
Under such circumstances, (online) communities like this one might be doing society more good than we can imagine.
Money Saving Tip!
They are not everywhere.Distance costs money but the peace and books are worth more than anything. *sighs
Public library director here: Many libraries are removing overdue fines, either for children's materials or altogether. Studies have found that fines don't get the materials back any faster and can alienate the people who need public libraries the most.
Our local library has a day once every couple months where they will cancel overdue fees for food/health items donations to go to the local food bank.
Load More Replies...This is why I love state and federal parks. My parents took us to the ocean, rivers, mountains, trails, etc. every weekend. We were under the poverty line most of my childhood but I hardly noticed that I was poor because I got to do so much more than my friends because my parents used public spaces. It hurts so deeply to see so many of the places I loved being destroyed by corporate interests. Looking at you Nestle! Never buy bottled water, get a filter and tell Nestle to go f**k themselves.
Libraries do so much more than that. They offer free classes and community resources and a safe place for poor kids to hang out during the day. When I was a homeless child, I spent hours reading in a corner of the air-conditioned public library, after taking a shower there (yes, my local public library had free showers for the homeless.) Librarians are angels, and libraries are some of the most previous places on earth.
Do some of them charge for a library card? Our library used to when we first moved to the area. They have since stopped, thankfully. But as long as you don't want to check out anything, you can still use them without spending money.
Public libraries shouldn't charge for a library card, unless it is a fee to replace a lost card (in the US). Fun fact: if your local library doesn't have a book you want, ask the librarian about interlibrary loan. I can get my patrons books from all over the U.S. for free.
Load More Replies...You can obtain books from a US library without paid membership? That’s actually great! In my country it’s only free under 18.
The good news, with the internet, there is even free access to books online!
Load More Replies...Many public libraries are removing fines altogether. Studies have shown that they don't get materials back any faster and they alienate the people who most need the public library.
They also allow heat when it's cold, or cool when it's hot, workshops, crafts for kids, internet access and computer time, free movies, performance art, and a quiet study space.
Me, Organizing My Finances
I used to do this as a kid and felt like Scrooge McDuck with my $7.28 of coins.
I did this, scavenged bottles/cans for recycle (.10 cents in OR), went to the food bank and made meals out of what I got there, to sell to a local gas station crew for $2.00 because they could not get away for lunch, and sold things on ebay.
To Be Honest
Growing up poor, you learn that what the world sees as junk stacked in your yard, is actually the only bank account that you have. Thus, the ads on blocks in the yard, the scrap steel, the old lawnmowers. You know that as soon as you get rid of something, you will need it, and can't afford to buy it. You pass this knowledge and insecurity on to your children without even realizing it. America is NOT the home of the free, and the brave. It's the home of wage slavery, and politicians picking away at what little you have left. It's time to change things. For the better, for everyone except the 1%.
It's not even about being able to afford luxuries. It's about: my car breaks down, I can get it fixed. My dog (or child) gets sick, I can take her to the vet. My kitchen sink backs up, I don't have to buy paper plates for a month until I can afford to call the plumber. I can set my utility bills up to "auto-pay" every month and not worry it's going to overdraw my bank account. People who have never struggled financially don't realize how much easier life is for people who don't even have to think about that stuff.
Having more money might not buy happiness, but having some money buys stability, and that can change everything if you're poor
Whoever said money can't solve your problems Must not have had enough money to solve them.
Money may be the root of all evil, but lack of money is the root of all desperation.
Money doesn't buy happiness but I'd rather be depressed on a tropical beach than working in a low paid job, in low quality housing, eating low quality food and not only depressed but stressed to all hell.
I Felt That While I Laughed
You can hate on me then. I laughed, but it is indeed, sad.
Load More Replies...I'm glad I live in a country with payable health insurance, saved my life!
We have animal penicillin in our fridge. I know how to do the math and where to inject. Just saying
Sounds like we've heard it from the horse's mouth. Just sayin' ~
Load More Replies...Truthfully, if I ever get cancer, I'm prepared to just die instead of get treatment for it. There's no point in putting crushing debt on my loved ones. (Obviously I'm in the US)
When I got cancer I prayed to die during surgery if the upkeep of my staying alive was going to crush my family. Also live in the US.
Load More Replies...I just can't understand American health care and the people thinking it's OK
Well there's your problem, it isn't legal to give poultry antibiotics. You need cheap cuts of beef
I just go to the doctor here in Canada at no charge. Also, it was found Canadians pays less taxes overall than the US.
I’ve Never Felt More Prepared
Being poor forces ingenuity. It's why it's ridiculous to me that some wealthy folks insist on "money management classes" as a precursor to poor folks getting money through service agencies. Dude, please. When they have to, poor folks can feed, entertain, clothe, and educate their family on $10, when I've seen you drop triple that amount on a dog sweater.
I have said this for years! I was a single mother of two boys living in one of the most expensive cities in the country. Being poor made all of us very creative!
Load More Replies...Yep. When people starting whining about not being able to go to concerts and on vacation, I just sat over here and said, "And?"
Vacation is not going to work for someone else and doing a project on the house. Isn't that what everyone does?
Load More Replies...This is really relatable. Everyone was complaining about having to use napkins as toilet paper, and only getting to the store a few times a month, having to cook at home or eat random pantry items for a meal... this is what normal being poor is like.
This is normal for a large number of the populace above the poverty level.
Load More Replies...2020 was the best year of my family's life... promotions and raises totaled a 100% increase in our salaries. Maybe poor people should choose to not be poor? (I grew up dirt poor to parents who were junkies, spare me the "you don't get it" I LITERALLY chose to not be poor, and made it happen.)
Ain’t That The Truth
I always say money doesn't buy happiness but a little more padding in the pockets will reduce stress thus you can be a little happier.
money buy happiness, it's the excess of money that doesnt buy happiness
Poverty Marriage
The most important: MARRIED WIFE THE KITCHEN STAYS I WILL ALSO BECAUSE ALSO BED ROOM. VERY SMALL POOR.
I always tell my clueless friends how they don't know what it's like to have to use clothes for toilet paper.
One Star
Use to get really suicidal over this. By the age of 17 I was convinced that I should kill myself because I had watched my parents work themselves to the bone and nothing they did mattered, we still couldn't keep up with the bills. I had dropped out of school the year before and was working 3 jobs and thought, "If this is how my life is always going to be then I would rather just die now and skip it." I couldn't see a way out and I had never felt my life was worth the stress and pain and living. By 17 I had attempted suicide 4 times. I had sever depression since the age of 6 or 7 and couldn't remember a time I hadn't been depressed. I had no idea what it felt like to not want to die for 10 years of my life. I prayed every night that I wouldn't wake up in the morning for most of my childhood. My sister and I both made it out of poverty, but it was incredibly hard and we put ourselves in a lot of debt to do it.
I think we have a similar story ,I even have a sister.Sometimes I think if I wasn't in the picture atleast one of us could live a life.How did you make it out?I am so happy for you.I hope you're at least less stressed now.I am so glad you lived to tell me your story ,to inspire us to carry on.You are a superhuman,tiny baby virtual hugs for you. :)
Load More Replies...Amirite
Overdraft Fees Cripple People Already Struggling Financially
I remember reading that banks do this to drive poor customers out of being customers because the bank doesn't profit off of customers w/ low balances. So they don't want poor customers and tack on all these fees to get rid of them (while squeezing every penny out hoping you'll pay some fees on your way out)
How can people even live in the US? What the heck?! That's an obvious scam!!
This happened to me when I was in college. I accidentally bounced a check, so I ran to the bank to put in cash. But no one had ever explained to me how overdraft fees work, and more and more checks kept bouncing. I was running to the bank every day with the waitressing tips I had made the night before, but the hole kept getting bigger and bigger.
Bank executive meeting: "How can we increase profits without actually doing anything to earn it?" "Raise our fees and create new ones."
Most banks I've been with (England) wouldn't do this, the fees aren't that terrible and there's usually some leeway where under £1 they don't charge, or you can call and talk to them and they help (if it's all automated). Still sucks though, like poor people getting the worst credit card rates and no interest on the money in the bank because banks make their money off the poor and give it to the rich
My parents had a joint account that was accidentally overdrawn by just over £1, they both received letters telling them they were being charged £35 for allowing their account to become overdrawn. They didn't realise until the bank took the money that the reason they both received a letter was because they were both being charged separately, they got charged £70 between the two of them for £1odd overdraft.
It Never Ends
Well, It's Technically A Phone Number...
To the person who downvoted: 112 is actually european 911...
Load More Replies...It’s Almost Offensive, Right?
Why do companies ask people who have significantly less $ than said company to donate? Donate your $ big companies.
They do that so they can take your money and claim they made the donation - good PR and a tax write-off at no cost to them.
Load More Replies...When I want to donate I'll do it directly to the charity of my choice. I'm not giving my money to some business who'll take 75 cents of every dollar before they donate it to a charity of their choice. Afterwards they'll deduct your donation from their taxes. It's a scam and a lot of people fall for it.
Then cashier's company pays your money for charity and gets tax refund in return for it.
My utilities company fundraises! While raising rates, giving large bonuses to fat cats, and cutting off peoples' heat in the winter!
My boss was huge for this. Then she’d brag about all the money SHE donated to various charities. So I would write a check and put it in the box. Made out to the charity.
Santa Won’t Bring Me Rent Money
And those rent payments do not let up! Every year there was an increase. Every. Year.
Paid my utility bill and turned up the heat to 68 during a polar vortex.
My husband & I agreed years ago to just give "token" gifts for Christmas. He usually gets a few thing music or cigar related - and I get a few new hardbacks. When all the sales hit in January is when we buy the other things we've been saving for.
Big Poverty
Of course there is. Nothing easier than taking advantage of someone who can't afford to fight back. It's the socioeconomic equivalent of beating up crippled people.
Sounds more like Capito economic equivalent to me
Load More Replies...It's like I always say.... "Look at all the big, fancy Financial Institutions...they didn't buy that real estate and structure with their own money"... . That's where all their fee charges are going, along with the additional profits, into their accounts, that exceed their lavish spending!
Worse than that, they actually use your money to borrow against or use it and then put it back. Had a friend who decided to close out his sizeable account. The banker panicked for a little while until they found they could cover his withdrawal. Uh, what? Aren't they supposed to hold your money? Newsflash, all they do is insure your money, and use your cash to make investments for the bank, then give you a small fraction of what they made from your account, in the form of "interest". Just another scam where rich people use poor people.
Load More Replies...Once upon a time, you got paid in cash and your safety deposit box was at hand, (under your mattress). Now, you are forced to use a Bank and forced to cop these fees, no matter what you do.
The only one that is regulated by any laws is the pay day loan industry.
Finally Figured It Out
My work took out a life insurance policy on me because I was "so valuable to the company". It was for seven times what they paid me annually.
I would be worried and looking over my shoulder if I was you. I mean it sounds like if the company goes downhill, they have a backup plan and employees might start facing some unexpected accidents.
Load More Replies...Which is the exact reason that I am currently residing in a psychiatric hospital. Apparently that way of thinking is a bit too maverick.
Scagsy, I hope you find your direction and with it contentment.... It's OK to be a little bit of a maverick as long as you don't loose sight of your goals and the will to keep reaching for them! Best wishes!
Load More Replies...There's a saying in my country: "You can't take your own money with you when you die, but you can take the banks money with you."
Really?Are loans forbidden on death?Does suicide count?I thought it went to the next nominee whoever that is,family etc..
Load More Replies...Pssst. To whoever is reading this: It's in no one's best interest for you to pass away. We prefer you living.
It’s Fine, I Didn’t Want To Have Fun Anyway
And even if there is no engine ot check, something else will always pop up... like a mysterious new pain in a body part that used to work fine before.
or your baby decides to get lumps...dog... baby... either way LUMPS!!!!!!
Load More Replies...For me the definition of ‘financially stable’ is not having to panic when the car goes wrong.
This one hits so close, for almost two decades I could not afford medical care. I went without and just dealt with illness and pain. Now I can afford insurance but just getting all the tests is costing so much. All the tests tell me is that I neglected my body for 20 years and now there's little I can do to reverse all that damage. Even when you escape poverty you can't escape its impacts on your life and body.
Haaaa.... I bought my car 2 years ago from a friend that let me pay her monthly, with the check engine light on, it only doesn’t want to work when I get my refund
I stopped saving up for specific items because of that, every time without fail as soon as I got close to being able to buy the thing I wanted I'd get hit with an unexpected bill or something would break.
Breaking News! Millennials Are Still Poor
Can’t have it every way. Can’t cripple people with debt to afford basic healthcare, refuse a reasonable minimum wage AND expect people to still be spending money w***y nilly.
I love how people who bitch and moan about millennials killing industries are the same people who worship the "free market". If industries fail because millennials are choosing to spend what money they have elsewhere, that's the free market at work!
Oof
Well if you want to look on the bright side of things, we poor folks are always ready for that struggle battle, and come out of it alive until the next one comes along
Here’s How To Pay Off Your Debt
There is a way. Would anyone like to spend 2-3 years with me, planning the perfect heist? Gonna need: a charismatic front man, an acrobat, a computer whiz and, oh, just watch Ocean's Eleven, you'll get the picture
Oh, oh, Scagsy, you're being maverick again! ... but very funny!
Load More Replies...Part of the problem is that even if you believe it’s possible to just find a way out, that doesn’t mean that the average person is equipped for that. People who are very poor more often don’t have mentors or stability, don’t have good nutrition or schools, just don’t have the things it would take to make the kind of person who would get themselves out. Poverty breeds more poverty. It’s designed that way.
Well there's your problem - you have a horse! They're so expensive, of course you can't buy food! /S
Save Half Your Paycheck, Regardless Of Whatever Else You Have To Pay For, Regardless Of What You Earn, I Guess
Lets see. I earn 0 euros a month and need to spend minimum 90 euros/m for insurance, plus food, medicines, doctors and other expenses. How much will I have if I save -100 euros a month?
Now you are getting it! Now you just get a loan, to keep the rich fat. Welcome to the rat race!
Load More Replies..."Stop spending". And then a headline: "Millenials are killing the XY industry," because they're not buying stuff. What do you want, people?
Hmm.... in 2008, my life savings disappeared into the void of the Great Crash, so all that saving did what for this GenXer exactly? I had to start from zero at 40. I won't retire. Who can afford it?
I did a retirement calculator and If I save 100% of my income, I can retire at age 112.
When I started work at 16 I went to see about starting a pension. I was laughed out of the office. The minimum input to start any pension was 3 times what I earned a month before tax. Repeated this over the years with the same result. No savings of any kind due to having to pay to get to work and having to live somewhere and eat, so I can work. Being fired for being ill was actually good for me.
Let's throw in a year long garnishment on a loan that was cancelled without ever having been delinquent . Just for giggles . Then you can get a tax fine for cancelling the health insurance and do grocery budgeting on the fly. Whee
Hey, I’m one of the much-loathed boomers and my account goes down to single digits at the end of the month. I’m almost 70. When that one obnoxious co-worker asks when I’m going to retire, I tell him whenever he’s ready to fund me.
And It Also Doesn't Have Debt
Pigeon breast cooked in a herb and cracked pepper butter, with a red wine and plum sauce reduction on a bed of sorrel leaves. And $20 to spend on drugs and alcohol.
Who has money for the herb cracked pepper butter wine and plum sauce
Load More Replies...Have you read Donald Trump's book? When he had less money than this pigeon?
Two Ways
I have just been able to retrain for a job that will pay me more, with a government grant and £10 000 of debt. I mean, I worked hard, but essentially I paid for a qualification in order to earn slightly more money, which I will now spend several years of my life working off. I do wonder if it was worth it.
I worked full time during my college years, took out around $25K in federal loans, because of the interests rates I owe over $60K now. I went to one of the cheapest options in the United States, community college, then a state college. My Masters was free because I am a full time employee at my university so I could take 6 credit hours a semester for free. It was worth it to me because debt is something I can handle, but I make about 4 times more than one of my employees now who works as hard as I do and is as smart as I am. The difference was that I got promoted 5 times and she can't get promoted anymore because all the positions above her have a college education requirement. Also limits her on other institutions she could try to apply for since almost all of them have college education requirements. I have tired to get her promoted 3 times but HR never lets me because she only has a high school education. So she capped out very early.
Load More Replies...Screw college degrees. Go to a Tech school, and get into plumbing, carpentry, electrical, etc. Yeah, it doesn't have a fancy degree title, but they make way more money. Heck... get your CDL. CDL drivers make a lot of money (Public transit depending on where you live is also Unionized, so regular raises, and great bennies too)
2 degrees are a potential earning-engine. 1) an associates degree that is vocational training (with a certificate). 2) a Master's degree that is vocational training (with a license). In both of those cases, one must pick the area carefully - check that it is in demand, and at that degree/training level. Useless - BAs and most PhDs.
This Hit Me Hard
YES. Double if you have a sibling doing better than you, that your parents like better, but you’re still the retirement plan.
It's not your responsibility to be your parents retirement plan. At least that's what my parents told me. "We have made arrangements for when we grow old and you should be doing the same. Even when you're just 18. Because when we are old you don't come knocking at our door and we don't come knocking on yours."
Load More Replies...I bought all my father's food and paid his electric bill the last three years of his life. He always gave me his bank card to go get groceries for him for the week and I never used it. My sister and I spent thousands and thousands of dollars we didn't have while we were working our way through college, using student loans to help get his truck fixed or cover the cost of the ambulance bill. Thank god my mom married a rich dude, he won't give her access to his bank account (smart man) so I just pray that they die around the same time so I don't have to go through that again.
This is grim, but my husband's father passed away last year. A lot of our friends wanted to know if we were getting an inheritance, but we were both just relieved to find out we didn't owe anything.
Yup, and as an only child of two only children, it’s literally up to me and no one else…
It took me 45 years to get myself out of the poverty cycle, 15 of those years in a decent wage paying job helped significantly. We haven't had any Credit cards since 1991.
Game Stop Stock
I remember how someone adviced people to invest in art- if you buy painting worth one million, it will be worth ten millions in few years. Easy, right?
Hehe, I had that happen to me while i studied. I spontaneously laughed , and came off rather rude, the guy didnt get it.
Load More Replies...And where may I ask does the money to invest come from? Skip the mortgage? Then if the investment fails your homeless and out of that money. Think I'll just keep paying my bills
"Poor People Are Just Bad At Saving Money"
I grew up poor. The only time my family was current on ALL the bills was once a year when the tax refund came in. Then it was back to juggling; paying some of the bills but not others. No new clothes, only rummage sale or thrift shop or homemade from old clothes taken apart for the fabric. No going out to dinner or the movies. No cable tv. Doll clothes handmade and individually wrapped so it looked like more at Christmas. One new pair of cheap shoes a year and pray they last that long. There was no money left but there was often plenty of month left at the end of the money!
So True
There are only houses in this price range in some states. Definitely not California!
Minimum Wage in my area is $15 hour, which sound great 'cause it's around $30,000 per year. Houses in the area are around $600,000 for a starter home. Apartment rental is $1,500 per month when you might be making $2,500 per month. Food costs are also very high. Bus service is there, but it is slow going so it adds to your day.
Yeh, checking to see what I can afford.... Site: 'Here is a nice parkinglot'
haha I wish houses in my city were around 300k. The average is 4 times that.
This Hit Close To Home
I never go forward if they ask for my bank account details for the free trial, if I go forward I put a warning /reminder in my calendar. And since I had to pay for things because I forgot to do the Kündigung = notice of termination. I sign the contract and at the same day I send the Kündigung for the future too.
I send an angry mail telling them I want my money back because I did terminate the contract in time and it ain't my fault that their administration is a fvcking mess and I'm willing to take them to court and report them for unfair business practices. Works almost every time.
I subscribed to a free trial and they charged me for a month at the 13 day date. I didn't get my goods until day 42.
Can’t Shame Poor People For Wanting Nice Things Too
"Nice things" in this case should also include paid time off work because we're not autonomous machines and need to recharge. "Nice things" includes the latest Matt Haig book (if that's what floats your boat - I just googled top popular authors 2020), because reading shouldn't be a luxury. "Nice things" includes a decent internet connection - needed for most things these days and if you want to spend 4 hours on YouTube, no one has the right to police that. "Nice things" does NOT automatically mean "latest iPhone" and I think that's where people's brain shortcut makes them push back against this opinion.
A very good point. "Nice things" can just as easily be a meal at your favourite restaurant or that new pair of shoes you've been wanting for a while.
Load More Replies...It's Time For A New Loan
Poor persons airconditioning in a car. It is called 4/36. That is 4 windows open at 36 mph.
How I Feel About Overdraft
Are these numbers realistic? We pay interest here when we overdraw, but that’s not much. I overdrew a few 100 and payed 3 cents. Do you really pay 30 bucks for 75 cent overdraw?
YES. Once I had a bank charge me $700 in overdrafts after Christmas shopping claiming my direct deposit (which was paid every Thursday at midnight) didn’t get paid until Friday at noon. I had checked the account before shopping and had the record the account was checked so they took off.. $2 which is what they claimed it would have cost me to check an ATM which would show my direct deposit hadn’t come through yet. I literally paid $25 + $2 for a cup of coffee because it was per transaction. It destroyed me for half a year recovering from that and it was all deception and scam on the part of the bank. This was 2008 after my previous bank had gone under and was purchased by a mega bank that got billions in bail out money. My employers even went to bat with proof it had been direct deposited on Thursday, but the bank said we could go to court. My employer some weren’t going that far for me and I could not afford court costs.
Load More Replies...It'll Ruin The Day
In Trying Times Like These, It's Important To Remember This Advice
Or in a country where poverty means that you don't have a mansion or a multi million dollar sport car.
Feels Bad
He Gets It
Not Big On Dave Ramsey But This Is Solid Advice On Car Buying
The car i can afford to pay cash for costs approx $1 and is likely a Hot Wheels. If, by a miracle, I were to save up a few hundred for an old beater car, I'd prob spend more money in repairs and duct tape holding it together, as my kids push it down the road to get to school. So, I go into debt to have a reliable car, where my kids can actually ride inside of it.
Yeah, except when you are required to have a reliable car and can’t afford to buy one with cash, and can’t afford to not have one long enough to save up.
No, the best car is the one that is going to outlive the Apocalypse. Get a mid-to-late-90s Toyota. Those things will probably outlive every Millennial.
I tried Dave Ramsey's way for so long. I was too poor to get anywhere. I gave up and took out loans again. Having a 'garage sale' car takes its toll on not only the bank account, but having to pay for tows when it breaks down, or time off work to figure out 1) how to get to work cheaply, 2) how to pay for alternative transport while the stupid car is being repaired, and 3) what to do when other's depend on you and you are now completely undependable. Ruins more than just the savings here.
And here I am, trying to make a living on a car that I bought for that amount, and I'm still broke. And so is the car.
Investments are like hanging out your Laundry, If you don't know it is going to rain, you are risking it all.
well, you COULD, or you can accept that sometimes you have to pay more than you can actually afford in cash, because you need it to actually run reliably.
I did pay cash for my first car while working to put myself in school. It was painful but necessary. That rusted manual compact shaved hours off my day, enabled me to work part time and run side gigs my boss deemed to small. All that despite it taking a good while to max out at 60 km/hour. I know how to repair cars and source for parts at junkyards but that speed is as good as it gets.
This only works if you can afford to pay cash FOR A RELIABLE CAR and know how to make your own repairs and have the tools to do it when necessary. And not having a scummy looking car when trying to find work totally makes a difference when trying to find a job.
Paying Rent With Cash Really Puts The Cost Of Living Into Perspective For Me
My complex won't let me pay rent in cash, nor by cheque now. I have to pay online, which charges a processing fee. So my rent is really equal to the amount I signed my lease for PLUS the payment processing fee. Granted, the fee is minimal (rent is ~$1,100 (varies by month due to utilities) and the fee is $0.95), but still, that fee shouldn't be passed on to me. I agreed to pay a specified amount, no more, no less.
It Never Ends
I went to open my first account in Japan. It was at Citibank. They explained that they would charge $50 per month if I had less than $500 in it. So I asked "so you take money from me if I don't have money?! Is that a joke?". He said it's standard at any bank. I laughingly said "no it's not" an opened somewhere else that doesn't have those fees, even though it was hard because I didn't speak Japanese. I will never even try another American bank.
Ha. I had this same experience. I opened with CitiBank (hilariously Shitibanku in Japanese) because I needed a place for my paychecks, rent, etc. Luckily I was able to maintain the minimum. After a few months, I was able to get my office manager on the phone to set up an account with Mizuho. That said, I've never had fees in the US on any bank.
Load More Replies...Was talking to a buddy of mine a while back. He told me that he and his wife had a deal. If either one of them got really sick, they'd immediately get a divorce so they wouldn't totally destroy the family's finances. Why the hell should that even have to be on the table? To have to do such drastic measures just to avoid ruining your finances is just criminally depressing.
That is sad. Kudos to them for their creativity in finding a solution, but awful that they had to resort to a plan like that.
Load More Replies...Eddie Vedder had a great take on wealth: There's only two things I appreciate about finally having some money. The first is I no longer have to worry about money, & that's such a constant burden that's lifted. And secondly, I can help those in need or help righteous people or organizations that deserve it. Money is like fertilizer: If you spread it around it can do a world of good. If you don't, your selfish ass will end up with a pile of s**t.
The quote is "Money, pardon the expression, is like manure. It's not worth a thing unless it's spread around, encouraging young things to grow." Dolly Levi.
Load More Replies...I don't understand,if we are majority in population then why does everything work against us?(Us being the broke people,poor)Have the capitalists really bought the earth so only they get to live in them?
Politicians don't get elected unless they are financed, and political campaigns cost an absolute fortune. Most people are only politically active during election season so once the election is over, the support base disappears for another 4 years. This means that the laws and finance sectors are created and regulated by the people who made them (the top 1%) and they have structured it to benefit them alone and exploit everyone else. Politicians can't do much against this because they receive all of their financial support from that 1% and will not be re-elected if they try to pass anything to restrict them exploiting others. That and half of the population sees this restriction as punishment for success, even though that success is built on exploiting workers, or because they fear they will lose the jobs they have now. I am coming from a very Western view so this doesn't apply globally but that is the jest for most developed nations.
Load More Replies...Unpopular opinion but it feels like the average family is being priced out of having children too. The UK literally has the most expensive childcare in Europe (possibly the world) you either have to a) not work to look after your kids . b) be privileged enough to have a very well paid job. Or c) have a family member that is able and willing to watch your kids for free. The only other option is to not have kids at all. I appreciate a lot of people don't want kids and that's fine. But surely it shouldn't be a choice of poverty or a child(ren)
I feel this list deep in my bones. Just been knocked back for a home loan. Got a deposit, all our ducks in a row. The reason? We don’t earn enough money. The mortgage repayments would have been around $300 a week, give or take. But $450 a week in rent? Sure! You can afford that! Sign here! 😡🤬
Our daughter has got her first job. It's going to break my heart when she gets her first wage
Twisted ankle and just bought a brace to avoid going to the doctors. Only went to the doctors after twisting it again the morning after. It felt worse and was afraid I broke something because I don't know how to make a cast. Turns out I just further torn my tendons. After my ankle healed I kept the air cast and crutches in case I get injured again to avoid going to the doctors. Cuz doctors = money
I went to open my first account in Japan. It was at Citibank. They explained that they would charge $50 per month if I had less than $500 in it. So I asked "so you take money from me if I don't have money?! Is that a joke?". He said it's standard at any bank. I laughingly said "no it's not" an opened somewhere else that doesn't have those fees, even though it was hard because I didn't speak Japanese. I will never even try another American bank.
Ha. I had this same experience. I opened with CitiBank (hilariously Shitibanku in Japanese) because I needed a place for my paychecks, rent, etc. Luckily I was able to maintain the minimum. After a few months, I was able to get my office manager on the phone to set up an account with Mizuho. That said, I've never had fees in the US on any bank.
Load More Replies...Was talking to a buddy of mine a while back. He told me that he and his wife had a deal. If either one of them got really sick, they'd immediately get a divorce so they wouldn't totally destroy the family's finances. Why the hell should that even have to be on the table? To have to do such drastic measures just to avoid ruining your finances is just criminally depressing.
That is sad. Kudos to them for their creativity in finding a solution, but awful that they had to resort to a plan like that.
Load More Replies...Eddie Vedder had a great take on wealth: There's only two things I appreciate about finally having some money. The first is I no longer have to worry about money, & that's such a constant burden that's lifted. And secondly, I can help those in need or help righteous people or organizations that deserve it. Money is like fertilizer: If you spread it around it can do a world of good. If you don't, your selfish ass will end up with a pile of s**t.
The quote is "Money, pardon the expression, is like manure. It's not worth a thing unless it's spread around, encouraging young things to grow." Dolly Levi.
Load More Replies...I don't understand,if we are majority in population then why does everything work against us?(Us being the broke people,poor)Have the capitalists really bought the earth so only they get to live in them?
Politicians don't get elected unless they are financed, and political campaigns cost an absolute fortune. Most people are only politically active during election season so once the election is over, the support base disappears for another 4 years. This means that the laws and finance sectors are created and regulated by the people who made them (the top 1%) and they have structured it to benefit them alone and exploit everyone else. Politicians can't do much against this because they receive all of their financial support from that 1% and will not be re-elected if they try to pass anything to restrict them exploiting others. That and half of the population sees this restriction as punishment for success, even though that success is built on exploiting workers, or because they fear they will lose the jobs they have now. I am coming from a very Western view so this doesn't apply globally but that is the jest for most developed nations.
Load More Replies...Unpopular opinion but it feels like the average family is being priced out of having children too. The UK literally has the most expensive childcare in Europe (possibly the world) you either have to a) not work to look after your kids . b) be privileged enough to have a very well paid job. Or c) have a family member that is able and willing to watch your kids for free. The only other option is to not have kids at all. I appreciate a lot of people don't want kids and that's fine. But surely it shouldn't be a choice of poverty or a child(ren)
I feel this list deep in my bones. Just been knocked back for a home loan. Got a deposit, all our ducks in a row. The reason? We don’t earn enough money. The mortgage repayments would have been around $300 a week, give or take. But $450 a week in rent? Sure! You can afford that! Sign here! 😡🤬
Our daughter has got her first job. It's going to break my heart when she gets her first wage
Twisted ankle and just bought a brace to avoid going to the doctors. Only went to the doctors after twisting it again the morning after. It felt worse and was afraid I broke something because I don't know how to make a cast. Turns out I just further torn my tendons. After my ankle healed I kept the air cast and crutches in case I get injured again to avoid going to the doctors. Cuz doctors = money
