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They say two wrongs don’t make a right. While that is wildly contextual, as there can be cases where doing two wrong things could possibly make things right, speaking of necessary evils and the like, it doesn’t account for the degree of wrongness—as in how wrong something is.

But even worse is when people are made to think that something isn’t wrong. Or maybe they just never really cared enough to see the whole picture. Whatever the case may be, some things that look quite innocent might end up shocking some.

Redditors have been discussing just that. A thread with nearly 19,000 upvotes and over 9,000 comments has people sharing all of the wrongs in the world that are not just bad, but are actually made worse because of how not many really bat an eye about it.

Bored Panda has collected some of the best responses from the now-viral thread and compiled a curated list which you can find below. Vote and discuss the various submissions, and while you’re at it, tell us what are some other things that are much more messed up than some might think.

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#1

30 People In This Online Group List Things That Have A Much Darker Reality Than One Might Think dev_doll said: In America, land of the free, land of opportunity, I pay a health insurance company 1/3 my pay check. Just so I can pay an additional $4,000 before they will help me with surgery and medication costs. Gonna have to get a 2nd job just to pay for health insurance.. this should not be an issue in a 1st world country. ETA "what most people consider a 1st world country" And No this does not include state federal and local taxes, Medicaid or social security which is paid out of every check. Yes I spent 2 weeks shopping around this was the best plan I could find to fit my BASIC needs. And the gov't decided I made too much money to qualify for assistance. greendino71 replied: As a Canadian I can't even fathom going into life crippling debt for necessary medical issues. My buddy had cancer, went through it for years... never paid a penny for it. Yes we get taxed for it, but I can go get stitches at the hospital and the only thing they need in return is my ID and Healthcare number.

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Rench
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3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This should be #1 on this list

Bora Zrinyi
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3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't think it should be the 1. This is an only-USA-problem, every sane country have free (taxpayer paid) healthcare, bc citizens know free healthcare is their own interest, so they press their government to provide. Only people of the USA say "I don't want to heal my neighbours' cancer from my tax, I rather want if my government use my tax to bomb hospitals and schoolbuses in other counties, even if myself have to die in cancer bc I never be able to pay the treatment."

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Scagsy
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3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Will SOMEBODY please DO SOMETHING about this crazy U.S. healthcare thing? It's on every thread, every day and people are DYING because they can't afford to go to hospital. It really grinds my gears. Healthcare is a basic human need. Somebody step up. I'm looking at you Joe.

Freya the Wanderer
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3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

BP has had entire threads on just how f####d up health "care" in the US is. Not only is it ridiculously expensive, insurance companies d*ck around their customers. But call for a single-payer health care system, and nincompoops belch propaganda about every wino getting a free liver transplant.

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C W
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3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I run a small business, so pay out of pocket for insurance. $550 a month for decent, mid range insurance. I'm pregnant and was weak and dizzy from dehydration. OB said if that haopener again, go get fluid. Urgent cares around here don't do IVs. So I'd have to go to the ER. $1k on top of my 550 insurance for some IV fluid. I used to be a nurse, so F that. My labs are fine, I'm just dehydrated. Ordered some IV fluid online and taught hubby how to start IVs. I would have probably been $6 or $7k in the hole by now. For IV fluid.

Hannah Edwards
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3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Exactly, the costs don’t fairly reflect the medication or care received. It’s a license to print money for people with no scruples. It’s alright if insurance costs are low, but in the US the system has failed most people, because the costs have escalated unrealistically.

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Jaaawn
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3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My sister- first got cancer 2018, after intense medical intervention went on to get the all clear but was diagnosed with a DIFFERENT cancer not a year later. Again she's now completely in remission. The first time she came too close to death than I care to fully remember or admit- the poor woman doesn't even turn 30 until later this year! Anyway, she never had to pay a single penny for anything (except hospital parking) and that includes some highly experimental procedures when all else was failing. Even her mortgage repayments were covered by the sick-pay from her employer. Say what you like about the NHS- we'd be lost in the UK without it.

Juju
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3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's also not just a US problem. Australia's healthcare is ludicrously expensive (not as bad as the US). I'm on a middle class income, have the highest private health insurance plan, yet... emergency dental surgery last year? I'm $5k in debt (and kept delaying one surgery due to finances). Diagnostic scans for cancer a few years ago? $15k in a month. Last year was $1.5k for scans. While I need specialist care, I can't afford it. So it's on my "one day when I'll be rich" list. I'm in my 30s.

Goth Nurse
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3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

US is a 3rd world country if you really think about it.

Lynne Harbison
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3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I've had 13 surgeries, multiple scans, tests, physio, follow up appointments etc. Hasn't cost me $1. Free healthcare in New Zealand.

Lynne Harbison
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3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If our small country with 5 million can do free healthcare, why can't USA??

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3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I spent 8 weeks in the hospital in the UK due to a complicated twin pregnancy. The only expense was the parking when people came to visit. American health care makes the rest of the world very sad. They deserve better.

Requiem
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3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I cant fathom how I pay around 130 a pay check in Canada for Medical benefits and every one on my plan gets FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS towards Dental a Year and when ever you need something done they knock off a little bit of the bill and you pay the larger amount. NO ONE needs $5000 a year in Dental work so the plan should just eat the entire bill each time you go to the Dentist. My 10 year old needed a tooth pulled and it took two appointments of looking in his mouth and than sedating him and pulling it out. I paid 900 out of pocket just for the tooth pulling and this is After the Govt told Dentists to stop f*****g around and to lower their charges

Shane S
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3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I get it. Insurance companies are the easiest target. But can we also focus on why healthcare is so expensive to begin with? We are asking the wrong questions. Our doctors are the highest paid in the world and major hospital chains are publicly traded on the stock market and profits are paid to shareholders. And don’t get me started on pharma and medical supply companies.

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    #2

    30 People In This Online Group List Things That Have A Much Darker Reality Than One Might Think How ridiculously sexualized everything is. I don't mean this in a pearl-clutching, "offensive to good family values" way. I mean that twelve-year-olds are being convinced that they need to buy clothes and makeup that make them look eighteen. I mean that high schoolers are convinced that there's something wrong with them if they don't lose their virginity by graduation. I mean that the entertainment industry compromises the health of their talent to make them look good for one shot, one show, one music video. And so often this problem is framed as "you don't need to do/look like/act like X to be sexy!" You almost never hear people saying, "Hey, actually being sexy is not that important and it's okay if you don't want to be."

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    Nikki Sevven
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And this begins in infancy. I've seen onesies for boys that say "Ladies' man," for example. Seriously?

    PurpleDoople
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    But when i tried to come out as bisexual at 11, I wasn’t old enough to know my own sexuality or understand. Double standards man

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    Piet Puk
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That is why kids beauty peagents should be banned.

    Veronica Sjöberg
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yes. I find the sexualizing over breastfeeding especially gross. I've heard enough jokes about "likes boobs just like daddy"/"she just wants to show off her boobs"/"it should be a private moment". Come on. There is a baby in that context and that just makes it even more disturbing.

    RandomBeing
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Saw a tumblr post once that was like the solution to women being so strongly valued based of of sexiness isn't expanding the category of f**able but instead to stop putting so much vale sexiness.

    Kai David
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Just walk through the clothing department. Compare shorts for boys to shorts for girls and similar clothes for boys to girls. Yet the girls get punished at school for wearing shorts that are too short or shirts that reveal too much. There is no middle ground clothing options for girls. It either reveals too much or covers the entire body.

    GoddessOdd
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    When my niece was a little girl, probably 6-7, I had promised to buy her a beautiful twirly dress for her birthday. I was quite surprised to get to the dress shop and find black sequined cocktail dresses for the elementary school set. Of course my niece wanted one of the black sparkly numbers, and it was all I could do to redirect her to something age appropriate. I spent the trip home wondering why exactly six year olds need cocktail wear.

    Libstak
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Freud makes me sick. Just cos his mind was constantly finding sexual relationships to everything, he sold the idea that the whole world is that way too.

    cr0w_is_vibin
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Almost all of Freud's theories have been debunked. The only one still in use is the Id, Ego, Superego. The fact that we still talk about is annoying

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    Scagsy
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I'm not sure who said that but it is so true.

    Kate Jones
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think a big problem, too, is this idea of 'natural' beauty. There are so many celebs who have professionals putting on their 'natural' makeup look then posting selfies saying they aren't wearing any, or men will point to it and tell women how beautiful they are w/o makeup when they simply don't realize this is not no makeup. So then girls will go actually natural and think it's fine but guys will treat them like they've 'let themselves go' or that they're somehow just uglier or something. Feeling pretty should be fun and improve your self esteem but it shouldn't be a goal in life or equal some sort of success. Alternatively we have these gorgeous girls who are falling apart when they realize that they still have to get jobs and aren't just going to make it being 'pretty' as if that is all you have to do (although in our society as it is, I guess that's what we're teaching people in some cases...)

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    30 People In This Online Group List Things That Have A Much Darker Reality Than One Might Think Drug overdoses… how many result in brain injury/death. Before working in critical care, I naively thought overdose = stop breathing = dead. So many get a round or two of CPR, left with a severe brain injury from lack of oxygen, and left to finish out a miserable life of a tracheostomy, feeding tubes, ventilators, recurrent infections of nearly all body systems, in an understaffed nursing home… Especially if they have no family who can be found (or willing to compassionately withdraw care). On the note, it’s extremely [messed up] the lengths we go to to keep people alive. Especially when it is clearly past their time.

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    Foxxy (The Original)
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As someone who took an overdose as a suicide attempt I can tell you I didn't even consider the awful possibilities of what could happen if it didn't kill me. I'm so lucky I didn't end up with liver or kidney issues. At least with death I wouldn't have suffered, but then I wouldn't have had my amazing kiddies.

    May
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I remember my therapist telling me (when I was severely depressed), that whatever I did, I should not try to kill myself with paracetamol. She'd just had a patient who tired, but was found and had her stomach pumped, only to die a couple of months later from organ failure - her liver and kidney were shot. So she spent those last couple of months in total agony

    Foxxy (The Original)
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That's what I tried overdosing on. Drs told me that paracetamol was one of the worst to overdose on and that I was lucky I didn't do any damage to my liver and kidneys. Whist I was in hospital I had to have blood tests 3 times a day to keep monitoring my liver and kidney function.

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    Alienking06
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I've always wondered why we insist on keeping severely paralyzed or permanently-in-pain alive. They will only have a hard, difficult life. What's the point? That's just my controversial opinion, though.

    bumble bee
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As one who has had to deal with emergency situations with my elderly parents, the way the medical profession passively pushes you into making decisions you would not make is frightening. When my mother was suffering from COPD and in the emergency room because her oxygen was low, they wanted to intubate her. They never gave me any other options. I said no for fear of having her stuck living with a tube that she did not want when 30 minutes later they offered another less evasive treatment using a bipap. Now seeing how intubation with Covid does a lot of damage, I am glad i refused.

    GoddessOdd
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is why it is so important to have advance directives and give them to everyone. If you've never heard of Five Wishes, it's a great way to make your wishes known to your physician, hospital and family. My biggest fear is that someone will fight to keep me alive when I am ready to go. Here's a link: https://fivewishes.org/

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    Ma Fra
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The sad thing is you don't even have to overdoses to mess up the brain. I've seen more than once the consequences of heroin and MDMA. It was like talking to a child. It's heartbreaking to see what can happen to a person doing drugs.

    Brandy Grote
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    THIS IS WHY HEALTH INSURANCE IS EXPENSIVE. Someone has to pay, and it ends up being those who can.

    Oopsydaisy
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Putting aside deliberate drug overdoses, one of the ways to cut the number of overdoses is to stop prohibition.

    Denise Lewis
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    you can make you a living will through the hospital telling them no extraordinary measures whether they go by it well that's another thing

    Hannah Edwards
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They should teach this in schools when they learn about drugs.

    lisa olsem
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    How do YOU know if its clearly past their time?

    Ladedah
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And how do you know its not? Families don't always get to see that look in their loved-one's eyes, begging to just let go... "oh, you're going to be fine grandma! Just keep trying!" So they endure, suffering as they've been asked, but not because its what they themselves would actually prefer. Or - when your loved one is in their nineties, with covid, severe dementia, and multiple organ failure ... common sense might say "Full code" (i.e. CPR, Intubation, the works) might be asking a bit much of that frail 90 year old body... but nope, family wants it all, so let's just break a few ribs on top of everything else that's already failing - to heck with comfort or salvaging any remaining dignity. Point is, families will often do just about anything to prevent themselves from feeling the pain of a loved-one's loss... even if it is ultimately at the expense of the person they love.

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    30 People In This Online Group List Things That Have A Much Darker Reality Than One Might Think mr_oranje said: In America (at least), you can pay strangers to kidnap your kid from their bed in the middle of the night and take them to a reform school. DawnDeather replied: Yup. Happened to a friend of mine when he came out as gay to his dad. Woke him up at 3 AM, threw him in the back of a car and drove 9 hours straight to a reform camp in Utah. He's trying to sue his dad because of it.

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    Adira Bennett
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This goes beyond conversion therapy. It also applies to kids being sent to facilities for drug/alcohol rehab or mental health issues like eating disorders, suicide attempts, so-called "oppositional defiance," etc. The hired kidnappers are called "transporters" and their work is made possible by the many for-profit youth "residential treatment centers" located conveniently in the states with the most lax legal oversight of such facilities (Utah, Colorado, Arizona, Nevada). Most of the places have poorly trained staff, underqualified therapists, woefully inadequate schooling for their teenage patients to continue their education, and non evidence-based practices ranging from unhelpful to utterly bizarre. Please search "Breaking Code Silence" and explore their resources to learn more about this subject. I can tell you from my own experience that a lot of kids are being profoundly traumatized in these places and the need for legal reform to stop it from continuing is more urgent than ever.

    Daniel O'Neal
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It even happened to Paris Hilton, of all people. Google “Provo Canyon School”

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    Sarah
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It makes me so angry that this is still a thing. Here in Canada conversion therapy was only just officially banned nationwide in DECEMBER OF 2021!! So sad.

    Huddo's sister
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Australia is getting closer to banning it too, thank goodness. 3 or 4 states have already gotten it criminalized. I was horrified when I found it was still legal, I expected it would have gone out in the 80s at least.

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    Kai David
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My in-laws and their church attempted many kidnappings. Try to get him to a gay reformation camp. Our boys are biologically mine and they attempted saviour kidnappings. I hired armed security to bodyguard our sons and my husband. Three years of living hell while we worked our way through the courts.

    Babsevs
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What in the?!?!?!? Hope you are all safe now... Sending love from the UK x

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    Pia kjærgaard
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NO NO NO!!! Don’ tell U’r kid it’s “ Because U Love Them!!! “ !! U most really hate U’r Kids if U do that!!!

    KimB
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Okay conversion therapy aside (it's bs torture nothing more). Most of these youth camps are for last resort cares. All other means to help these kids has been exhausted and these camps are a step away from jail/juvenile detention. I see nothing wrong with these. Or the "kidnapping" to get them there. What do you think happens when you have a warrant for arrest? The police don't knock nicely and ask you to go at two in the afternoon. No they kick in your door put you in handcuffs and take you. How is this any different? These are not for kids who have a little problem they have BIG potentially life threatening problems and sometimes extreme measures need to be taken.

    Alienking06
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As a someone who is gay, I am extremely thankful I live in Canada.

    Roxy Eastland
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    How is this not recognised as child abuse????

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    #5

    30 People In This Online Group List Things That Have A Much Darker Reality Than One Might Think hkm316 said: Breeding dogs with horrible health issues, like French and English bulldogs who struggle to breathe their entire lives because we think they’re squished faces are cute. IiASHLEYiI replied: Spider Ball Pythons are another example of an animal that should not be bred. These snakes have neurological issues that leave them unstable, and give them a very pronounced head wobble. They can potentially drown in their water dish; in severe cases, the snake can't even strike its food properly - that food usually being a thawed frozen rat offered with feeding tongs. It's very sad seeing videos of Spider Ball Pythons. Whether you like snakes or not, you cannot deny that it is horribly cruel to continue breeding an animal with neurological issues.

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    Jo Choto
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Stop buying them and the market for breeders will dry up. It's that simple.

    Nikki Sevven
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    There are always more animals needing to be adopted than there are people willing to adopt. All my dogs have come from shelters, and I highly recommend doing this, especially in the US where not all shelters are "no kill" shelters.

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    Ornamental Lotus
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    We adopted a bulldog that was thrown out of a puppy mill because she couldn't have any more puppies, she is 6 years old, we had her speyed (they were too cheap to do that at her last C section ). She lived her whole life in a kennel only ever brought out to breed. The poor thing was so scared of everything, 8 months on and she is now friendly to humans, still scared of other dogs, can barely breathe properly and cannot walk for more than 20 mins without significant breathing difficulties. She is an absolute love, we adore her and have chosen to care for her in her final years. The rescue who saved her were awesome to do so, we are fortunate to have her, it breaks out hearts as she and her kind are a physiological disaster, English Bulldogs are beautiful and sweet natured but truly shouldn't be bred. It's not her fault. We are giving her a caring retirement home and she brings joy to those she meets, such a polarizing subject. From a guardian of a retired, mistreated puppy mill dog, we agree, it shouldn't happen

    Mazer
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The new Munchkin cats with foreshortened front legs. They come with a host of health issues.

    Freya the Wanderer
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Many a vet will tell you that random-bred animals are the healthiest. The best cat I ever had was a stray right off the street.

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    Apollo Brackady
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yeah, adopt! Don’t get from a breeder!

    Marnie
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Mention of deformed bred dogs always get a lot of upvotes on bored panda. But then some other post about cute deformed breed dogs will get a bunch of upvotes, too. I just don't get it.

    Xenon
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Can't upvote this enough.

    Pia kjærgaard
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Completly breaks My heart every time I hear of this. Both Sellers & The Buywrs!!!! Why???????? It’s so Cruel & 🤮

    Denise Lewis
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    these dogs have to have C sections because they are unable to give birth the normal way

    Lara Verne
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Law of supply and demand. Some people would pay fortune for a dog because it has certain looks, regardless of dog's health, but won't adopt dog from shelter, because it's not "purebred".

    KimB
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Different breeds have different characteristics and personality/temperament. Some people like to know exactly what they're getting. There's nothing wrong with this as long as it's done responsibly

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    Amanda Hunter
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Puppy mills, Premarin Horse farms, any animal breeding facility. They should be illegal.

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    #6

    30 People In This Online Group List Things That Have A Much Darker Reality Than One Might Think pizzadazze said: Influencers sharing their child's ENTIRE life on social media. Feel so sad for these kids. Sea_Puddle replied: Particularly when they make videos to shame them! Like the one when a kid got a bad report card and their mum was videoing them crying and begging them not to upload it to the internet. I can’t even imagine having a mindset like that.

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    Naesil
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Kids should have their privacy too, its one thing to show funny photo of your kids to your family members but to upload it to the whole world to see..

    Bobby
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I agree, upload to FB or something so grandma who lives too far to visit can still see the kids grow up, not to pad your own bank account

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    Jo Choto
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That is cruelty. The law needs to catch up with technology. I think adults who film images of children where they are experiencing fear or great distress should expect to be charged with child abuse and/or child exploitation. It's just not okay.

    Scagsy
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Influencers full stop.

    Pia kjærgaard
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Untill kids are 18,it should be forbidden for parents to Exposé there kids On the sociale Medias…. Just Me👍

    Nikki Sevven
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Would you be happy with exposure to which you didn't consent? Kids can't consent, since they don't understand the consequences.

    RandomBeing
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That's just honestly so wrong and awful.

    Tams21
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm the total opposite. I post absolutely nothing at all about my children online (not even via PMs) and won't until they're old enough to understand it and make their own decisions. That might be extreme and I understand the odd birthday pic etc but imagine, as a teenager or an adult, having had your entire childhood documented online for literally for the world to see. I wonder what the motivation of the parents is...

    Lara Verne
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They value upvotes above their kids. Just great.

    Kona Pake
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You’re gonna be really sorry when your kid grows up and upload a photo of you and triple Spanx.

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    #7

    30 People In This Online Group List Things That Have A Much Darker Reality Than One Might Think StuffToday said: Sending 18-year olds to war. StalinsPerfectHair replied: What if we just shortened this to 'war'.

    StuffToday , 270862 Report

    Wang Zhuang
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What is it good for? Absolutely nothing...sorry, the song just jumped into my head as I read this

    Troux
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Good God, ya'll... 🤦‍♂️

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    Kai David
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yet in America they can't drink, but we can send them off to die in a war

    John Topper
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Exactly what I was thinking. Killing other people? Encouraged. Having people try to kill you? A-O-K. A beer with your dad? Off to jail with both of you, you filthy deviants.

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    Kona Pake
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I’ve got an idea… why not send 10 of our politicians and 10 of their politicians and the last politician in the ring wins.

    Secend
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That's brilliant! But which of them is the most expendable??

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    Lady of the Mountains
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    from "The Book Thief," in the perspective of Death, "when men go to fight, they think they're running toward each other. They're not. they're running toward me."

    Oogiebogieaugiedaddy
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    No one is drafted any longer. You actually have to sign up to be in any armed forces.

    Vetus Vespertilio
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Where did you get that idea? There are at least 27 countries with compulsory military service of longer than 18 months, another 12 with service of less than 18 months, and 20 with one year or less. There are 10 countries which have compulsory service for both men and women. There are 11 which have ‘selective’ conscription. Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_service

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    Pia kjærgaard
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    U’r not Grown Up at 18 Yr!! 😞

    Requiem
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I was Running a moving delivery company at 18 and wiped out the competition the same summer.

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    Brandy Grote
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    For some, it's the only path out. 3 hots and a cot, free (tho not necessarily good) medical care, a trade, a paycheck. It isn't for everyone, for sure, but if your choice is that or nothing... it is better.

    Oopsydaisy
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    No, don't shorten it to war. Make a pact to send only those old people who support it.

    Gabriel
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "Sending people to war, no matter the age" fixed that for you OP

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    #8

    30 People In This Online Group List Things That Have A Much Darker Reality Than One Might Think Pizza-PhD said: Alzheimer’s disease. It’s brutal (so much worse than the basic forgetfulness or confusion portrayed in movies). abilliondollars replied: I went to visit someone in an Alzheimers-dedicated rest home once. Walked into a common area and there was a room full of people but no one was really there. Was sad and horrifying. idiodic-genious replied: Alzheimer's is my genuine greatest fear, having your mind being slowly destroyed and not knowing what is true and who you are is just horrifying.

    Pizza-PhD , Susumu Komatsu Report

    BusyLizzy
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I hate the way it's always portrayed as just being forgetful. They don't often show the other issues such as paranoia, personality changes, fear, and in the later stages the person can become violent, incontinent and lose their speech. It's a truly awful disease.

    HarriMissesScotland
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I've written about this topic before. My dad had Alzheimer's and it was the hardest thing I had to do, but I had to put him in a nursing home. I stayed with him 24/7 for a month. The first night he was there he had to be restrained, and I thought I was going to have a nervous breakdown. That was my kind loving Daddy. I finally got him calmed down, I thought. He started yelling that he needed to go check on his baby because she was crying. I asked, "which baby?" He said my name. I said I would go check on her. I never knew I could cry that much, but I went back in and told him she was fine. He fell asleep, and I went outside in the corridor and had a stress induced asthma attack. I was on the floor, curled into the fetal position and the nurses kept asking me if I was OK. I wasn't, but I went back in, grabbed a pillow, put my head next to his and drifted off. Later, he tried to strangle me....

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    Jo Choto
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Also, it's a long disease. Sometimes people can go into gradual decline for ten years. I had a friend who spent nearly 15 years of her life taking care of her mother. Her decline included becoming vicious and cruel and nasty, physically aggressive, blaming her daughter for everything, breaking stuff, reporting her for abuse and all kinds of terrible things. When the mother died, it was a relief, but as my friend said, she basically gave up some of the best years of her life to live in misery.

    Alisa LaVine
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Actually, true Alzheimers is a quickly progressing disease that usually kills within a year. What many people call Alzheimers is actually one of several types of dementia.

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    Foxxy (The Original)
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    We have a disease that runs in my family that destroys your mind too and that scares me. Hearing about my aunty literally trying to rip at her own skin coz she was too hot, not being able to speak, extreme anger outbursts and sudden violent behaviours, losing all muscle control etc. If I end up being diagnosed with it, I want to be euthenised. Unfortunately it's not legal where I live.

    L.A. Trefry
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That's why some, like the great writer, Terry Pratchett, take matters into their own hands before they're too far gone.

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    Aisling Raye
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My dad had Alzheimer's. It's a slowly progressing and terrible disease. I watched him fade away, confused and scared, often disoriented and sometimes filled with rage. He forgot who I was, forgot who my mother was (he thought I was her, and that she was his first wife for a while.) He'd leave the house and get lost, we had to put alarms on the doors and essentially baby proof their whole house. When he passed people kept asking how I was and I'd have to explain that I mourned losing him years prior because he was not the same person and that sounds terrible. You lose them a little more everyday over the course of years and when they finally do pass, you feel relief for them because the torture they had to have been living is finally over. And now I'm crying bc no matter how old I get or how long it's been... I will always really miss my dad.

    HarriMissesScotland
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The pain never goes away. I just try to remember the good times before this horrible disease took hold. I cry, too, for my dad, and even for me. It isn't wrong.

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    May
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is my greatest fear - I really hope that if it ever happens to me, we've gotten around to legalizing euthanasia.

    KombatBunni
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I watched my grandma decline over time from this awful disease, and I hope I never see anyone else go through that. Watching her lose herself each time I saw her was devastating and I was so relieved when she finally passed. My mother and I don’t get along but I have to say she was so strong to visit her mother every damn week for 3 years as Nan went through the final stages. It’s bloody awful and I hope one day it can be cured

    Mrs Spigot
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Dementia in general, Alzheimers is only one type, there are many. I a lot of ways it is harder for the loved ones.

    Artsy Bookworm
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My grandfather's sister had Alzheimer's. I don't remember much about her as she passed away when I was around 3 years old. But listening to my mother talk about her decline and incidents that happened. It just breaks me. There's a movie in my native language about a forty something man having early onset Alzheimer's. He was a man with great memory. The disease progress is so fast and it's portrayed really well, so much so that it kills you to watch the movie.

    TheReader19
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My mum died of Alzheimer's it was a horrible twenty years experience for the whole family. One of the worst parts was she knew something was wrong with her and couldn't comprehend what was happening to her.

    Will
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    There’s nothing like seeing someone’s body last longer than their mind. Heartbreaking.

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    #9

    30 People In This Online Group List Things That Have A Much Darker Reality Than One Might Think ThreeNC said: Tinnitus. I have a mild case and it really sucks. Protect your hearing! grm12k replied: Holy [smokes], this. "Ringing ears" might not sound bad if you don't know better, but it's hell when it never stops. I will never have another moment of true quiet, and I can't properly describe how soul crushing that can be sometimes. Anyone who reads this, please use ear protection.

    ThreeNC , Stephen Dann Report

    Kristin Ingersoll
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    24/7 high pitched ringing. It's awful.

    Nikki Sevven
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Tinnitus is incredibly intrusive. Sometimes, it sounds like a high-pitched electronic sound, like the type you hear during a hearing test. Other times, it's a buzzing, like a fluorescent light with a faulty ballast. It's subjectively worse when the environment is quiet...like when you're trying to sleep at night.

    Okasan Willis
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I have to play white noise at night or I can't sleep

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    Jo Choto
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I spent a good number of my daughter's younger years telling her to turn her headphones down, turn them down, turn them down, take a break, turn them down. Unfortunately, this was something she really didn't want to take on board, and at 28, she has tinnitus.

    Raven DeathShade
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I keep tryibg to get my brother to turn his headphones down, but he runs to my father or sometimes even my older brother to protect him. "It's not that loud", they say. I can hear it from a foot away sometimes, and if he puts it on my head, I'm sure I'll go deaf within the hour. But I can't get him to stop.

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    James016
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I have tinnitus, sometimes it's fine but others it can be very uncomfortable. Especially at night where the sound can be very discomforting. I'll never hear silence :(

    Insert Generic Username
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I have Meniere's Syndrome....constant noise in my left ear and bouts of absolutely debilitating vertigo. Had a friend in school who had it in both ears and ended up committing suicide because of the constant noise.

    Lsai Aeon
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's not just damage done by loudness. I have Meniere's disease. It's slowly destroying my hearing nerves. Tinnitus is a symptom/result of this disease. Eventually, you do get used to it, mostly.

    Sasquatch The Almighty
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm 48 years old and have spent large amounts of the last 35 years playing in loud bands, with no ear protection. Tinnitus has been my constant companion for as long as I can remember. I have had my hearing checked recently and have lost some frequencies forever. I struggle to hear people in daily conversations, and need my TV so loud that it irritates anyone trying to watch with me...subtitles have become my new friend. Protect your ears.

    Tyler Hobson
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Dubs Acoustic Filters!! I bought these about 5 years ago. Always use when I go to a concert. Just lowers the decibel level without altering the frequencies. So sounds the same just a little quieter

    Alan Gale
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Never, EVER, knowing what silence sounds like!!!

    Chucky Cheezburger
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm in that boat as well. People, use hearing protection always.

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    #10

    30 People In This Online Group List Things That Have A Much Darker Reality Than One Might Think Dying of natural causes. In movies and tv shows, it's perfectly normal people with white hair closing their eyes and going to sleep after saying something meaningful. In real life, it's losing speech... then after a few days losing the ability to swallow food... then there's a couple days of groaning and wheezing... the eyes dry up, the lips crack and dry up... the tongue dries up... you have to dab at it to keep it moist, the whole while you are wondering if the person is conscious and enduring this in pain and madness. The last hour or so is that weird and loud breathing that is both a gasp and groan at the same time. Each breath is a desperate act by the body to keep going until it finally stops. Having gone through it twice with my parents, I volunteer at a palliative care ward because a lot of people go through this alone.

    pattyG80 , elPadawan Report

    Susie Elle
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Dying is simply deteriorating until your body loses the fight. Death is natural, but dying is messy, traumatizing and ugly.

    Stephanie IV
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I wonder if it’s an active thing. Letting go. Like jumping off a cliff. Saying: this life is over now. Now. Now. Now. If I have a choice, I’d rather die quick.

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    Memere
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Hmmm...this may be true for some folks particularly in hospice with terminal cancers, but is not true for every death. My 83 year old grandfather got up one morning, had breakfast, then went out to do some chores on the farm. He came in the house, Grandma went to get him a glass of lemonade - she came back in & he had sat down in his recliner & died. My father was in a Veterans Home, 90 years old - the nurse brought him his morning medication, told him she'd be back to help him get up & dressed, he said "okay". She was back in 10 minutes & he was dead. No long drawn out dying for either of them, just gone. And I was holding my mother's hand & looking into her eyes the very moment she died - it was heartbreaking but it was also the most amazing feeling I've ever had, like looking into & feeling eternity. I've worked in nursing homes, & we had a few folks who lingered, but most just closed their eyes & died. Fighting against & rejecting death is what makes it traumatic. We are all going to die, we each have to come to terms with it.

    Daria B
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    First of all, sorry for your loss, and glad they passed away peacefully. "Natural causes" usually means some sort of disease anyway. Some people are lucky to die peacefully, but many more, like my grandma, are not so lucky. It's not about accepting death, it's the physical reaction. The deathly decay described in this entry pretty much sounds like my grandma. She had a stroke, that made her lose her speech and paralysed half her body vertically. She lived like this for about 4 years, then the second stroke hit, and that was the day she passed away, after that heavy breathing and all that.

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    bumble bee
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The death process is different for everyone. I have given end of life care for both my parents and brother at home. It was a privilege to be able to care for them, and be there for them until the end. It is the greatest gift you can give them.

    Stephanie IV
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Bumblebee! How beautiful you must have made it! May you be well looked after and held tight when you die, some far away day.

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    Jo Choto
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I've watched quite a lot of people die under various circumstances (like, more than 30 people) and even when it's relatively peaceful, there's still something that's very hard to describe, which is a kind of sunken, grey/green, gasping, rasping desperation to it at the end. And that's when it's good. Unfortunately, most of the deaths I have seen were not like that.

    AxleMunshine001
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The best death is the one you never notice coming. An aneurysm finally breaks, a cardiac arrest(not a gart attack), a respiratory arrest while sleeping, a massive stroke.... basically any event in which you lose your consciousnes immediately. One moment you are there the next you are not. These people are the lucky ones. In general terms, humans, like most animals have a deep rooted instinct to stay alive,. This plus all the cultural social and religious aspects death has in most cultures, makes confronting the end of existence a frightening occurrence. We tend to contemplate the idea of non-existence with fear and extreme anxiety. We find that idea so hard to deal with that we even invent an afterlife after death, where we can still exist and carry on being ourselves.

    Fabian Meresse
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'd rather die like that than at an hospital intubated, ventilated etc...just for living a few days/ weeks more?

    Huddo's sister
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My older brother had a neuromuscular disorder that meant his muscle tone deteriorated and his breathing got worse and worse. He was taken to the hospital and intubated. We were lucky in that he had no gag reflex so he was conscious while intubated. We knew he couldn't do that forever and he was put on palliative care. We had about a week before he was taken to the palliative care hospice where we said goodbye and the tube was taken out and he died. While we were able to spend that time with him before he died, the actual intubation process and the fact he was in hospital just waiting to die had an impact on both his quality of life and us. When my youngest brother who had the same condition got to a similar point we decided we didn't want him to be intubated, so we kept him at home, where he died. The less drawn out end to his life was much more comfortable for us all.

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    howdylee
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My grandmother (93 yr old) didn't feel well one evening. Went to the hospital. She was in good spirits, was jovial with the nurses. In the span of 2 breaths, she was gone. Seriously. Fine, fine, sputter breath, sputter breath, flat line. Nurses were shaken how quickly she went.

    Okasan Willis
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Worked over 20 years as hospice/palliative care nurse

    Must Be Bored Again
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Thank you for all the tender care you gave patients and families over all those years. It takes someone with a special soul to do that kind of job.

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    Ozymandias73
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Hearing a death rattle in person is unnerving to say the least

    Shane S
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Death with Dignity NOW. I’m such a proponent of physician assisted suicide. People who know they are on their way out, should get to choose the time and manner of their death in a tranquil and peaceful way.

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    #11

    30 People In This Online Group List Things That Have A Much Darker Reality Than One Might Think ifeelgodinthizchilis said: Social media. It has damaged the way we look at ourselves/our bodies and has arguably caused much more harm than good. Az0riusMCBlox added: And it has allowed the stupid to have an absurd amount of influence.

    ifeelgodinthizchilis , sergio santos Report

    Buren
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I"m glad I didn't grow up in that era, I pity the kids in this era

    bumble bee
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Has anyone else noticed how the news (local, national, cable) now have news stories about posts found on social media? Where the news will report on some nonsensical non-newsworthy post when there is more important news to report on? I think it is everyone's duty to end this lunacy that is doing so much harm it has/is destroying generations.

    Roxy Eastland
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I am so disheartened by the way I have watched social media turn everything into a for or against war. I remember when it was possible to hold very different opinions to someone else, even about things that you both thought were extraordinarily important and affected people's lives, and still rub along with them okay. Nowadays everyone has to pick a team and absolutely hate and loathe anyone that has a different opinion, made a different choice, etc.

    GoddessOdd
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As someone who has just said no to social media, I get no end of grief from others... it's not a generational thing, its a privacy thing. I value my privacy, and don't care what other people had for lunch or the often fake lives they're living. New friends often say things like "what??? Not on FaceBook? Why not???" or "well you do Instagram, surely?" No and NO.

    Julia H
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I had social media used against me by my bank when I reported my credit card stolen. They insisted I knew who used it. I deleted my Facebook account with absolutely no regrets

    Shane S
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I deleted the Facebook app off my phone at the very beginning of covid and I haven’t regretted it since. I will still occasionally login on a browser but it has prevented me from the mindless scrolling which came with constantly comparing my life to the lives of others. Highly recommend.

    Kona Pake
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    There would be no standing room if every woman in the world had a butt like the Kardashians.

    Mosheh Wolf
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    When people were "just" reading magazines, everything was as bad.

    Christopher Troisi
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    social media? people have had issues how they looked before the advent of tvs and the sort. Not sre why social media is seen as the issue.

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    #12

    30 People In This Online Group List Things That Have A Much Darker Reality Than One Might Think Lack of accessibility for disabled people. For most people it’s an afterthought, but for those who need it it can be life-changing, in a good or bad way. One of my friends has a neurologic disorder so that he has to move very slowly and very carefully or he falls and cannot pick himself up. People constantly give him [flack] because he’s in his 30s and he doesn’t look sick, and they think he is on drugs or something. There have been many times when he had to give up on simple things like going to an appointment or meeting family and friends, just because of some random obstacle thrown his way, and no one giving him the time of day to help (or worse, abusing him). The frustration literally reduces him to tears sometimes. Every time he tells me one of those stories, and there are always new ones, my blood boils. Be kind to people who struggle to move around. Not every disabled person is in a wheelchair.

    Riggiro , Tim Evanson Report

    RandomBeing
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    There are so many ways to be disabled.

    Samuel Pelatan
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And only one or two are taken into account if we are lucky

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    Ozacoter
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Anybody who is in charge of designing cities oe public transport needs to spend a month travelling around in a wheel chair or disabilities scotter. It is ridiculous how inaccessible most places are, even if they claim so. The metro of my parents city in Spain is supposedly accessible but the wagons are too high so they create a small step. Smaller enough that a pedestrian wont think about it but big enough that my scotter cannot pass it. Our local trains here in Belgium and some stations also have stairs that I cannot pass. The only way I can travel is with my partner who helps me lifting the scotter. F**k them all.

    Oopsydaisy
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I agree. I don't have a problem with mobility, but I've had friends who do and the world is a difficult place to navigate. Also if you are sight impaired. As much as I love footpath cafes, in cities that weren't built for them, they make footpaths treacherous. And that's just for a start

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    Mazer
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Invisible disabilities are the worst, even people with visible disabilities can be prejudiced towards people with invisible disabilities, it’s b******t when someone on crutches or is using a wheelchair trashed someone with invisible disabilities as “not being AS disabled” SMH

    GoddessOdd
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I have a very good friend in a wheelchair. That chair opened my eyes to so many problems. I would call the restaurant to make sure it was accessible, and they would say it was, but there were two steps up to the door, or in one, the accessible restroom stall was too small to accommodate a wheelchair. She told me often even in newer places, the handicapped stall door won't close while her chair is inside. We occasionally had to use freight elevators to gain access, or sit in uncomfortable and unpleasant seats, beside the bathrooms or just outside the kitchen door, because that's where they seated wheelchairs.

    Kay blue
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I started having to walk with a stick when I was about 30, so many people accused me of faking it so I could get sickness benefits.

    GoddessOdd
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I am so sorry to hear that! People can be so horrible and judgemental. I am sorry you had to deal with that.

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    Suzi Q
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I have an autoimmune illness and sometimes I need a walker or cane. Using a walker was a real eye-opener to the lack of accessibility that exists everywhere. When I need to use a wheelchair cart in a supermarket, it sometimes hard to find them. I see kids and young adults playing on them. Seems like the store should have a policy where they restrict them to those who really need them.

    Lizaklamp
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm 31, also have an autoimmune illness and need my back supporting tricycle. People have turned their heads, as older folks need these kind of bikes. People mind less about you, when walking with a crutch or leg brace. We don't have those wheelchair carts, but store employees are happy to help you!

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    Grace Noyes
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I can relate to this. I have MS and use a handicapped sticker to park. I've gotten some dirty looks because I don't look disabled, but heat

    Piet Puk
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Imagine having a hearing problem and there is loud music in every store, restaurant and station. It's like trying to see the road while somebody keeps shining a bright light in your eyes.

    Efia
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    having a "invisible" disorder/chronic illness, opens your eyes about the character of most people. I don't look disabled and therefore I have to explain and legitimate eeeverything I do in public. It's especially hard, when not just your illness but your medication is striking you down, and people don't believe in the affect of this.

    StealTheFruit
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I have hypermobility, and when I first started mentioning to people that my legs hurt, they made it into a sex joke, saying I went too hard the night before. I was twelve.

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    #13

    30 People In This Online Group List Things That Have A Much Darker Reality Than One Might Think gravisj1 said: The amount of disrespect for the common retail worker... Am retail worker, I'm not your slave. fearme101 replied: I worked in retail for several years. I waited on a woman for clothes, shoes, etc. Helped her and did what I could. She came out of the dressing room carrying everything in her hands. I briefly thought wow is she going to buy all of this? Then she dropped everything on the floor in front of me and left. Man, that made me feel like [dung].

    gravisj1 , Mike Dixon Report

    Buren
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    To people in general

    Bob D. Lin Quint
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Working in retail... You're perceived to be like a butler by the dumbest, most socially oblivious, slack-jawed, ignorant, self-centered, ill-mannered, dumbest damned stupidest shittiest people in the world.

    AngelWingsYT
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Not just that. Your seen as "lazy" and "not going anywhere" despite working 4+ days a week 36-40+ hrs roughly...you are seen as lazy

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    Shane S
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I mean it’s not a sin to try stuff on and decide against purchasing it. But be respectful in how much you take into the dressing room and really consider what you’re potentially going to spend.

    chuck.dont.surf
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's not about how many things she tried on, it's about the disrespect of throwing it all on the floor because "they pay someone to pick it up."

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    Colin Leamon
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is by people with no self respect getting validation from ****ing on those who can't answer back

    AngelWingsYT
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    THIS!! Woked retail n fast food n you are SO disrespected. Paid under living wages abused by customers n even managment. Its a thankless line of work :( i remember one time i was asked to come in and help cover last min (had tests to study for) wouldnt take no for an answer. Even asked for me to be in in 20mins (they knew i lived 30 mins away)

    AngelWingsYT
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I work at a better place now btw. Management is actually respectful of us! They asked to to stay late one shift (few hrs notice) i had plans that night already and let them know that n their response was "its ok. Thought id check. Have fun with your plans" felt nice being respected that i had life OUTSIDE work

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    Suzi Q
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Waitstaff too. I see waiters treated like crap. They work hard and deserve respect. It's not their fault if the cooks are backlogged. Tip them.

    Steffen Rehm
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It is the law here for customers, to wear a FFP2 Mask in every shop they might want to go, even for the basic needs. We employee are protected du another law and we can wear the normal FFP1 or Op Mask at work. Oh boy do we get hate and pur anger because of that. I, for myself, wear a FFP2 Mask during my shift to avoid every discussion about the mask i wear. "But you have a OP Mask too, go out of my way!" and other words. To be honest, i think i like the FFP2 over the FFP1. The FFP2 is way more comfy to wear then the normal one and i have no issues at all with breathing and that comes from a guy that have over 20 years of heavy smoking in his lungs. So, try it at least.

    Secend
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My friend (14) currently works at an A&Ws. The people she has to tolerate everyday are disgusting. There was a Karen who took her mask off just to spit on her shoes like some rabies-infected mutt. There was some idiot in a pick-up truck who asked if she was vaccinated before calling her a sheep. There was a woman who asked her if she was Japanese (my friend is English). She's had people buy one burger and return to the store minutes later and claim to have actually bought two. My friend goes to a strict private school (8am-4pm). She had been in class when her good-for-nothing boss thought to call her repeatedly. "Why are today's youth so angry/violent/depressed?!" She's had to deal with some of the most embarrassing samples of humanity, and she has not been able to even say a word back. That naturally incites strong emotion.

    Tee Witt
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    In Britain the disrespect is usually the other way round.

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    #14

    30 People In This Online Group List Things That Have A Much Darker Reality Than One Might Think Health and wealth preachers. Not only do they essentially steal well meaning people's money, but they are also leading them astray from truth. Health and wealth gospel is the gnosticism of the 20th and especially the 21st century.

    Jmac0585 , Inside Edition Report

    Helen Haley
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Churches make money. By now this isn't really a shocker.

    Marnie
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I suspect you may not know about the prosperity gospel, which is a much more specific and egregious example. From wikipedia: "Prosperity theology...is a religious belief among some Protestant Christians that financial blessing and physical well-being are always the will of God for them, and that faith, positive speech, and donations to religious causes will increase one's material wealth." The basic jist of it is that if you're poor, it's because you've displeased god. If you're rich, it's because you're a good Christian who deserves it.

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    Libstak
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As a Gnostic, I absolutely resent and utterly disagree with that. Gnostics seek knowledge of themselves in order to understand the world and God. This is ignorant rubbish.

    Libstak
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    To be clear, prosperity preachers make me sick they cannot be compared to gnostic teachings which have only ever asked me to seek truth and demanded nothing from not even agreement with my teachers, truth is what you discover when you are honest about who you are and face yourself, nobody ever demanded their truth be my truth but rigorous self observation is a must.

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    Jasper Cool
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Odd to pick on Gnosticism specifically when it existed at the same time as lightning gods. I don't know a ton about it but the idea was to pursue knowledge instead of blindly accepting a deity telling people to remain ignorant. Maybe it turned into something I'm not aware of later but that seems the opposite of buying into snake oil salesmen. Even though Gnostics were pro serpent.

    Grant Barke
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    In 2016, Kenneth Copeland defended his use of a private jet with the claim that commercial planes were full of "demons". If you ask me, he himself looks like a demon in that picture. And Jesse Duplantis defended his choice by saying: "I really believe that if Jesus was physically on the earth today he wouldn't be riding a donkey. Think about that for a minute. He'd be in an airplane preaching the gospel all over the world." lol.

    Kevin J. Henning
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Don't confuse an "average " church with the "mega" churches the prosperity preachers hype

    Marilyn Holt
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Whether your have a 'religion' or not, if you read anything in the Bible you'll quickly see that it says nothing about becoming wealthy or even healthy. Such preachers are certainly not getting their messages from the Bible.

    Shane S
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Or at the very least, audit them to ensure 100% of the income is spent on the community. And publish the salaries of those on the payroll.

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    Thomas Sweda
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And they preach that you don’t need doctors or health care.(especially the wife of the sinner pictured!). My favorite line from a TV preacher, which I watch as comedy, is, “Remember, nothing leaves God’s hand, ‘till something leaves your hand”.

    AxleMunshine001
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Those prea hers are pure and simple another form of conmen, fraudsters sli f s are oil

    New Everywhere
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I would love to hear the constant reel they play in their heads to convince themselves that they are not complete sh*t and manipulating people in the worst way.

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    #15

    30 People In This Online Group List Things That Have A Much Darker Reality Than One Might Think The foster care system. I’m glad it exists for obvious reasons, but good god is it a nightmare. If you have ever looked into adopting a child you will find out very quickly that it costs almost as much as a down payment on a house. In economical terms... the supply is way too large, and the demand is equally large, but the price is set so high it closes a lot of very loving families out of the equation. Not to mention the abuse a lot those poor kids have to go through in the foster care system.

    zebradonkey69 , Carl Wycoff Report

    Foxxy (The Original)
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The foster care system is just one of the reasons I agree with abortion. There are just waaaaay too many kids being abused, going from home to home with no stability or aging out of the system and end up on the streets. It's heartbreaking. BTW, I am not debating with anyone about abortion, this is not what my aim is with this comment so I will not be interacting with anyone who tries.

    H Edwards
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I hate it when people try to make the argument against abortion by saying 'but you could have the baby adopted!' like it's a perfectly simple solution.

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    Susie Elle
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Also if you're looking to adopt you have to prove in any which way possible that you're capable as a parent, which can take years, meanwhile any idiot that's physically capable to getting pregnant can birth a child without anyone batting an eye, so to say.

    Helen Haley
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I tried to adopt out of foster care. I had an fbi background check. Then the agency poked into absolutely every facet of my life, for 3 straight years. Then basically put me at the bottom of the list because I was single and not christian.

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    James Phetteplace
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    There are so many more things I can say about the foster care system, having been a foster and adoptive parent. I will say that applying the economical terms of "supply and demand" is absolutely dehumanizing for the children in the foster care system. It's seems this post mentions the abuse to children in foster care as an afterthought. The biggest issues start with the disproportionate number of children of color in the system (US), and the lack of certified foster homes with POC. The white families fostering children of color often have no cultural competency skills as well. Foster care typically has the primary goal of reunification (not termination of parental rights -> adoption), so if you go into foster care as a white person thinking you can spend your way to some "perfect" white baby, please don't do it at all. I could go on.

    Elise Hilton
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm not sure where you all are adopting from but when we adopted kids our kids from foster care, we paid only very nominal court fees. Now, our kids were considered "special needs" (mixed race, non-infants, sibling group, etc.) Adoption can still be affordable - keep asking questions!

    Troy Parr
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    In my utopia, there would be free contraception for anyone who wants it, and every child would be a wanted child...

    Kenneth Richardson
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I wholeheartedly agree with this. I was in foster care since I was a toddler and ended up being adopted by a "bad" family. Throughout my childhood, I was physically and sexually abused almost daily for years.

    Tattooed Shippie
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    In the state of Texas, foster parents receive $700 a month to take care of the child, plus $300 in the spring and fall for clothing. Not a get rich deal, but doable, if interested in bringing home a child to love as your own in your home. The fee for an attorney for your case is about $1800. This plan can have a pretty awesome outcome! Just please do it for the right reasons. Source: I worked for Texas DFPS, CPS.

    Trisec Tebeakesse
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Mrs. TriSec and I tried to adopt via the state. It was a f*****g NIGHTMARE. We ended up backing out and went with a private agency. Paid through the nose - but they were courteous and professional throughout, in marked contrast to the state. And yes, the decision was financially "House" or "Child". We never did buy a house. (And that child is now a junion at a prestigious culinary school!)

    Della Greymane
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sorry but the bit about adoption expenses is completely untrue. If you are looking to adopt a Caucasian infant directly from birth mom and pay her expenses, maybe. Foster adoption costs are minimal - usually less than $2,000 US. My son was adopted from China. Even that was less than $15,000 with 70% of that being 3 weeks of travel expenses. Lies like this one are dangerous. There is already a shortage of adoptive families, and this risks turning even more away.

    Sportsgal
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It is true, and each person's experience varies. I had a friend adopt two girls from Central America and it ended up being $50k for EACH of them. Don't assume your experience is the only one. Bottom line, it should be easier and less expensive. Think everyone can agree on that.

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    MyOpinionHasBeenServed
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My mom was in care along with her siblings. The effects last a lifetime and do affect how they parent and go about life. When their kids have kids, and it's found out that the grandma of the new baby was in foster care, social workers use that against the family. Been through it. The psychological fuckery is real and is felt down the generations.

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    30 People In This Online Group List Things That Have A Much Darker Reality Than One Might Think Bitter_Product said: Obsessive compulsive disorder. It’s only ever referenced in a funny way, and sometimes it is funny and ridiculous. But on the flipside it really effects people and can ruin lives. unsexme replied: I’ll add is that a lot of OCD is invisible since it’s about thought patterns. Not everyone with OCD will be obsessed with germs or safety (though the process of checking is really common), and the things they are preoccupied with and even the compulsions they act out may just exist in their head or in solitude. _hunnuh_ elaborated: As someone who is diagnosed with functional OCD, you hit the nail on the head. That’s the one thing I try to explain to others who don’t quite get what it is. I have my tendencies and my subtle routines of course, but it’s nothing life-breaking. But it’s the thoughts, especially in solitude, that are the toughest. Over analyzing every action, reflecting on conversations that happened and analyzing the way things were said or how they could’ve been handled differently, and the complete inability to make it quiet in your own head are all things I just deal with. In the same way that some struggle with physical routines, equally difficult to deal with are the mental ones.

    Bitter_Product , Jeff Report

    Jo Choto
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I have OCD. People with OCD won't even talk about some of the terrible, terrible thoughts that are part of the obsessive thought process, thoughts that you don't want to have and that you can't control, thoughts that make you feel like a terrible human being. Mine have included the things that I am most against/horrified by, like horrible racist thoughts and raping of children and those thoughts won't go away so you have to do the action to clear them. That's the compulsive part. And then sometimes the compulsions themselves are horrible. I've had picking compulsions that have caused me to bleed profusely and I can't stop. And I don't have it as bad as some. I've had some mild checking (is the light off, did I leave the oven on, did I just run someone over) problems , but for some people, they take over your life. The idea that OCD is about putting things straight on a table is such a joke.

    Angelar
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Many people battling with intrusive thoughts don't know it could be neuro-biological problem. They think they are bad people. In fact it is what triggers the fear network inside them. Thank you for sharing your experiences.

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    RandomBeing
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I don't have OCD but this annoys me so much because the misinformation is just EVERYWHERE. It actually took me a lot of work to figure out what OCD actually was.

    Apollo Brackady
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I have intrusive thoughts and let me tell you, OCD is not just about cleanliness. My parents always laugh when my therapist says he thinks I have OCD (just because I don’t obsessively clean my room, my parents think I’m “making it up”). The stereotypes really suck.

    Natalia Shoemark
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Me too... I have ocd and am able to manage the physical things but one thing I can't get a hold on is the thoughts!! I thought maybe I have DID because of all the thinking.. but seeing you guys talk I see it must still be OCD

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    Tyler Hobson
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I have OCD also, but I suffer from a form called Trichotillomania, which is the medical term for hair pulling. Very common in kids but they grow out of it. For adults, 25% of sufferers are male. Typically in men they pull their head hair until they look like a friar. I'm somewhat lucky in that mine causes me to pull my facial hair. Every have a mustache with a bald spot going through the middle lengthwise. Like I had two mustaches one above the other. Makes me super self conscious.

    Daria B
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I don't have a diagnosis, but the more I know about mental health, the more I recognise I probably have a mild case of OCD, and it was since childhood. The 3rd comment in this entry describes me very well, I'll just add that thing about damaging your skin. Like, you know, there's something standing out when you touch it (like a pimple, for example, but this started in childhood, I remember), and you have to annihilate it until you get it all smoothed out on touch, even though you actually caused an injury, which is visible and ugly, while that "pimple" kind of thing wasn't even noticed by anyone else to start with. Then you keep picking on it continuously. Of course I couldn't explain it when I was a kid, these are things I look into in hindsight, and it becomes clearer and clearer. Also, the part about the tough thoughts in solitude. Add to this my introverted personality. (Cont.)

    Daria B
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Thankfully, though, I'm a bit on the social side, although introverted. I grew up within a large family, with a lot of siblings, and I noticed that, being with people helps me distract from myself, besides genuinely enjoying time with good people. I still need me my me-time as well, though. Yeah, I'm a bit of a mess. But I'm much better now compared to when I was in my teens and mid-20s.

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    Kai David
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My husband told me I had OCD. Never really thought about it, but now I see how much of a detriment it has been on my daily life. It's not funny.

    Huddo's sister
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My brother was diagnosed with OCD at about 4/5. Usually for him the compulsion was doing things in series of 8. For example touching the back of a chair 8 times before he could sit down. He had to see a psychiatrist and was put on medication, though they were wary of this when he was so young. The medication worked and he stayed on it until he was about 14/15 when he decided to take himself off it. After that he showed no signs of OCD anymore, and hasn't for the last 15 years. He now has very little memory of things that happened in the years before he stopped the meds.

    Ladedah
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    For me, there is nothing more annoying than when people use stigmas about disorders to apply them to themselves in non-applicable ways. I've never been diagnosed with OCD, but I am in fact ADHD... so I get how it is when everyone tries to pretend their ordinary problems are even in the same realm of the BS you must regularly overcome. For me it's the people who forget to do something and then just laugh, saying "Oh, I am just SO ADHD!" For you all, I'm sure it's people who are organizing their workspace and then try to make conversation by saying "oh, I'm just SO OCD!" UM, no, you're not. It is this kind of stupid stuff that makes everyone think that these kinds of disorders don't actually have an effect on people's lives. People may think they're so adorable announcing their supposed "imperfections", but really they're just minimizing and marginalizing problems beyond their understanding.

    Suzi Q
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I hate that too. My husband is true ADHD and people say, "I think I have that too." But I see the frustrations he deals with (diagnosed.) He used illegal drugs to calm his head but after diagnosis he got legal drugs and got clean. Now he doesn't take the Ritalin anymore. He's also sooo OCD his clothes in the closet have to be same color as hangers. I don't hang up his laundry anymore, I always get something wrong. Anyone know who has burgundy hangers? Cammo ones would be great but it has to be desert digital cammo!

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    Bicurious cat
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My mom has a friend who's sister has OCD she has to do everything three times. Otherwise she feels just terrible...

    Grace Note
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    A sentence that fills me with rage: "Well, we're all a bit OCD aren't we." No.

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    #17

    30 People In This Online Group List Things That Have A Much Darker Reality Than One Might Think Low_Delivery_3453 The history of Japan. Japan wasn't always this UWU ONIIIIIICHAN country. jarNO_WAY I still believe the war crimes in Nanking to be the worst event of all of human history that I know of. Reading about it literally made me puke. There's a statue of a Nazi in Nanking who stopped as many atrocities as he could. Think about that, the NAZI is the good guy telling others to tone down the violence.

    Low_Delivery_3453 , aco pbc Report

    Daria B
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As much as I love Japan, sadly, this is true. Japan surely has some sick and enraging history. Glad they learnt from that, but there's still unsolved issues (greetings from Korea). Still, these things should never be forgotten. We don't want to repeat the horrors ever again.

    Buren
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Nanking is horrendous, and that is just the representation of many others

    Tamra Stiffler
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I began to do some reading about the invasion of Nanking, and I had to stop. I wish I hadn't read as much as I did. Truly, deeply horrific.

    Jyri Hakola
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Nanking were a horrible sack of a city. But unfortunately not anyhow an unique case what comes to the long history of humanity.

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    Oopsydaisy
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I get what they are saying. Some countries get a kind of a global pat on the head as if they are a cute kitten, and then get ignored. Americans in particular tend to do this. I'm Australian, and the crap that gets talked about our country is unbelievable. Hyped up by the sort of crass Australians who carry on about drop bears and huge spiders. In reality, the majority of Australians live in urban areas. There are far more dangerous animals in North America and parts of Europe. And, more to the point, we massacred and enslaved the indigenous population. We stole their children from them (there is a film called Rabbit Proof Fence. Watch it). The racism in Australia today against indigenous people is stunning. We do not publicly admit to the massacres. There is a furore whenever it is suggested that some area or site is renamed to reflect its indigenous history. Indigenous sportspeople are abused and called racist names when playing. I could go on.

    Oopsydaisy
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Hit my word limit, but I need to also tell you that we brought over people from the Pacific Islands and enslaved them. We are extremely racist - ask any non white sports person what kind of abuse they cop. And in recent decades we have imprisoned innocent people who are seeking asylum and given them no way out. Don't believe the hype and don't treat Australia like it's some sort of cute oddity. We get away with a lot because of our isolation. We are a racist country full of anti intellectual misogynists and boors. I can't imagine why anyone wants to come here. In fact, most of the English speaking people who immigrate here come here because they are also like that, and just make the country worse.

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    George Foxworth
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Let's not cast stones at each other's history. The US is hardly a beacon of compassion and love to Native Americans or people of darker skin.

    Daria B
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Thank you. There's no country without a sinful history, some even today. This entry is still important, because indeed the English speaking world tends to over-romanticise Japan. But, yes, as you say, plain hate is not the answer. We should never forget, and always strive for better.

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    Nianudd
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    John Rabe, if anyone wants to look him up

    Charlie Taube
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And don’t forget the oppressive caste system radiating out from a god-king for most of their history

    Amanda Hunter
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Not to mention refusing to stop killing Whales.

    Mosheh Wolf
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    In some way the Nazis were worse, because of the industrialization of mass murder. In other ways, the Japanese were worse, since they trained also trained their soldiers to see Chinese as subhuman, but then let their soldiers enact every disgusting impulse that they could imagine. Also, at least the Germans have acknowledged their crime, and have tried to make up for it. The Japanese are still pretending that they never did anything wrong. The Turks are as bad. They not only deny their massacre of Armenians, but spend a lot of time, money and political capital on keeping it from being taught elsewhere. In Germany it's a crime to deny the Holocaust. In Turkey it's a crime to mention the Armenian Holocaust.

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    #18

    30 People In This Online Group List Things That Have A Much Darker Reality Than One Might Think [Irritable bowel syndrome (IBS)] People either seem to view it as a joke disease, or react like, “oh, yeah, my stomach gets upset sometimes too”. They don’t realize how painful, isolating, and horrible it can be. People have straight-up committed suicide because of the impacts of IBS. Without having experienced it, it is basically impossible to imagine how much it [messes] your life up to be legitimately afraid of food. It’s like having a chronic illness AND a severe eating disorder all rolled into one. I sometimes wonder how much different my life could be if I weren’t constantly trying to manage the trade off of “do I avoid eating so I don’t get sick and then risk passing out/being too hypoglycemic to safely drive/etc, or do I eat and basically give up on all my plans for the next 24 hours because of the likelihood that I’ll be incapacitated?”

    _MaddAddam , Brian Evans Report

    Foxxy (The Original)
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Omg yes, I sometimes get stares if/when I use a disabled toilet coz my IBS is acting up. Sometimes I need the closest toilet coz it comes on suddenly and it can be quite embarrassing. It's painful and uncomfortable. People complain about me being a "fussy" eater but the fact of the matter is my body just generally doesn't like food and will find ways to tell me at every opportunity.

    UpQuarkDownQuark
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I don’t have IBS, but I am sick to death people feeling like it’s no big deal to constantly comment other people’s eating habits. No, I don’t want to/can’t eat X food. Just leave me the hell alone about it.

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    Nikki Sevven
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Normally, the lower intestine contracts behind the mass, pushing it along toward the exit. In IBS, the intestine contracts around the mass. It's horribly painful. Over the years, I've found that limiting the amount of food I eat in one sitting helps quite a lot. I'm better off having 4-5 small meals throughout the day than 3 standard sit-down meals.

    Hphizzle
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    “Do you have allergies?” Well, technically, no. But here is the very odd, hard to remember list of what I can and can’t eat. Social life and IBS don’t mix well. On top of the will I feel like crap today side of it.

    Stephaniep
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    For me it's here's the list of foods that always hurt me, the foods that sometimes hurt me, and the food I ate yesterday that was fine but today left me in literal tears from the pain. Its always changing without warning.

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    James016
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    IBS is horrible. I wouldn't wish it on anyone. One time I had it so bad I didn't want to leave the house for a month just in case I got caught short. I had to describe the pain to someone as having the worst Chinese burn ever done to your stomach and then it slowly untwists itself. Brown bread and sourdough are big no nos for me now.

    Okasan Willis
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Then on top of my IBS I have trouble with dairy

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    Mimi M
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I got post-infection IBS (a stomach virus ate away the lining of my stomach and intestines leaving them raw and irritated). For almost 2 years I was in constant stomach pain and had to run to the bathroom multiple times a day. It was miserable. The only thing that finally worked was eliminating all food containing fiber or acid (which included all fruits and vegetables) and eating only 'white' foods and meat. For a year or so I ate nothing except white flour products, eggs, meat, cheese and milk. And that's not counting the almost 2 years before I found a solution - 2 years of constant stomach pains and diarrhea. I also started eating homemade kefir daily - it's a probiotic that is stronger than yogurt and helps repopulate the gut flora. After about 2-3 years I was able to slowly introduce fruits, vegs and other foods (nuts, legumes, whole grains, etc, etc.). It was a very long journey. I still can't eat raw garlic or raw onions, but am otherwise recovered. It was a very sobering experience.

    Travis Fox
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And we forgot all the other complications that come with it. Hiatal hernia, hemorrhoids, constant acid reflux increased risk of throat and esophageal cancer, dental issues... It goes on and on.

    olx
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    a relative of mine actually developed anorexia nervosa as a result of ibs. thankfully, she's long recovered now.

    Lori Ashley
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    IBS is one of those invisible illnesses that people can't see so they don't understand. I was originally told I had IBS. But after years of tests, failed treatments, diets, etc, I did a gastric emptying test that showed I had Gastroparesis. It's a digestive condition that literally means paralyzed stomach. My body doesn't digest food correctly and when it does, the nerve damage in my intestines causes extreme pain. I've had 2 kids and I can definitely compare it to the pain of contractions. It also causes both diarrhea and constipation. I know where the bathrooms are in my city that I can get to quickly. I have lost jobs, friends, relationships, etc because I'm in pain all the time.

    Llama_flower93
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Chronic pain is so hard. People don't get it. You can't imagine being in pain for the 500th day in a row non-stop until it happens to you. You don't get used to it, you learn to cope, and sometimes barely. I feel for you, it's so hard.

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    #iwriteitall
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Endometriosis is another disease that's also massively under estimated for its horrendous nature and symptoms and life altering nature I have endo and hormonal IBS when the pair kick of together it's hell

    Brandy Grote
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Will today be constipation, or diarrhea, or some ungodly mix of the two AT THE SAME TIME?

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    #19

    30 People In This Online Group List Things That Have A Much Darker Reality Than One Might Think Jehovah's Witnesses For those born in, social isolation is forced upon them. Only permitting them to create a social group within the religion. They also advise those kids to not go to college, and that they should spend all of their time going door to door. They socially cripple them, and then convince them to sabotage their own independence. That way when they turn 18, if they're not towing the Jdub line, they'll often just be kicked out ASAP. All while losing their entire social network, including just basic life advice from their own parents. In many cases, it sadly does lead many of those children to return to their dependent state. It's a much sicker power dynamic than people expect.

    MANDATORY_DEPRESSION , 7C0 Report

    Scagsy
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Did I read somewhere that Jehovah's Witnesses will not permit blood transfusions? They would rather watch a family member die than take the help offered. Seems a bit weird to me.

    Jenna Hayden
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That is correct. Nurse here, and I had to watch a newborn baby die because their JW parents refused to give her the blood she needed to live. It disgusted me

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    Jo Choto
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Extreme religion is nothing but misery.

    Wang Zhuang
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I grew up as a JW, though I'm not anymore. It's not entirely accurate to say they grow up in social isolation. It kinda depends on the parent. My folks let me have friends outside of the faith, but it is frowned upon in general. It is sadly true that JW's are discouraged from pursuing higher education (I'm a college graduate and glad I didn't follow that advice). Door-to-door service is strongly encouraged (they call it pioneering). Also, you don't really get kicked out of the religion unless you're baptized and did something fairly bad; and even then, you have a chance to work your way back into the fold if you choose.

    Memere
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My aunt & uncle were JW, and you are correct. Plus they don't celebrate birthdays, or any Christian holidays (Christmas, Easter). And they didn't salute the U.S. flag. My cousins also went on 'mission' trips to other countries where the focus was to convert people to JW. I had an odd family - Mom's family were all raised as Protestants - 1 sister became a Catholic, 1 sister & my mom remained Protestant, & the 1 brother became JW. It made for interesting family reunions, but the good thing was none of us allowed religion to divide the family!

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    Kona Pake
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Where does Scientology rank?

    L.A. Trefry
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Not the point, I know, but it's "toeing" the line. NOT towing.

    Lara Verne
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They even use kids to lure more people into cult. I was once approached by two young girls, they cannot be older than seven, maybe eight. They started talking, it was obvious they memorized some texts, and then asked me, if I want to learn more about their faith. I just asked where were their parents and they pointed at couple sitting on the bench nearby, watching us.

    Robert T
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    One of my best friends at school was a Jehovah's Witness. The only thing that was ever weird to me was not celebrating Christmas or birthdays. Other than that they were a perfectly normal family. My parents are still in touch with his parents. So I guess it depends what part part of the world you live in.

    Remi
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    There's a difference between how they treat people who aren't JW and people who have been JW like the kids that are born into it. Because they're considered to have turned their back to God and such, they need to be shunned (meaning no talking to your own kid even). Ppl who've never been JW are considered ignorant, so it's fine to be friendly with them and who knows, you might make some converts.

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    Bexxxxx
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I lost my best friend to JWs. Her whole family was in the religion but she was a little rebel, spent some of the best years of my life with her. Then she went back when she was 18, she didn’t want to be excommunicated from her family so instead she had to cut us all off. Still miss her, heard she has a kid now. Hope you’re well out there Jess, wherever you are!

    LynzCatastrophe
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My husband was raised as one. Gratefully his dad wasn't hard-core back in the day so it wasn't completely forced on him and he grew to make his own choices. But in the past ten years his father has gotten so much more dedicated to it, nearly every single part of his life is decided by thus religion. He gratefully still doesn't force it on his kids but it's hard to talk to him now. To add to it, he's also a big fan of Q-anon. I don't think this man has ever had an original thought.

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    30 People In This Online Group List Things That Have A Much Darker Reality Than One Might Think no_seas_carepicha said: Obese animals. Everyone laughs and thinks chunky animals are cute and funny but it’s really sad. garbageman2112 replied: I read a recent review of my dog's vet from some dude that was flipping out because the doc told him his dog was way too fat and unhealthy. The doc jumped on yelp quick and told him that she had warned him of the weight gain over the years and that her job is to stand up for the health of her patients. And now she treats my puppy.

    no_seas_carepicha , John Galt Report

    Susie Elle
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I let my cat get too fat and now I'm in the process of treating the diabetes she got from it. She doing WAY better now, lost lots of weight and is almost off the insulin, but man do I feel like an ass for letting it get that far. I'd like to stress that I do take good care of my cat, I didn't overfeed, I just didn't pay enough attention to the fact that the amount of food that's recommended on the bag actually made her gain lots of weight. She's now a happy, healthy kitty who gets compliments from my vet on how well she looks for her age :)

    UpQuarkDownQuark
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Absolutely ignore the recommended feeding portions and go with your vet’s recommendation instead. I made that mistake when my cat was young. He got very fat, and my vet told me that the portion I should have been feeding him was less than half that. He slimmed back up in just a few months and was healthy for the rest of his life.

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    Luther von Wolfen
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I have two cats. They both get the same amount of food and activity, but one of them is fatter. I don't think she's fat enough to be a health issue, but I'm watching it. She's also really dumb, but I don't think that's a problem.

    PjandBolt
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yes! I have two cats as well, both fed the same amount, one skinny, the other fat! I've always felt so guilty about him getting so big, but it gets even more confusing when you have another cat who's at perfectly healthy weight.

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    GoddessOdd
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I agree but with a major caveat. You don't know why an animal that is not in your care is obese. I have gotten several obese cats and dogs after their parents died or went into nursing homes. I also have a couple animals with metabolic disorders who are overweight or obese. Please do not just automatically assume that an overweight animal (or child) is fat because some irresponsible person is over feeding them.

    Brandy Grote
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My vet says a thin pet lives longer. My snek stayed not chonky, and lived to 23 years!

    Demongrrrrl
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm sure I overfeed my cat but she destroys things if she thinks I've cheated her. She won't let anyone trim her claws so she can be really destructive.

    Lou Lopez
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The cat that was left at our house came in morbidly obese. We're trying to slim him down, but despite not feeding him much he's losing it slowly.

    Miss Frankfurter
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    When I rescued/adopted my cat, she was in a living situation where, because of the other animals bullying her, she had to sneak out from under the bed, go gobble down Walmart food and get back under the bed for her own safety. Needless to say, she was very overweight and has been unable to "learn" how to play in order to get exercise. I have worked very hard to help her lose weight, but the special food she needs (and was working) is right now cost prohibitive to me. And I cannot get it anywhere else but a vet. If they want me to help her lose weight, then please don't charge so much for the food. Right now I'm doing the best I can until my financial situation changes.

    Izzy Curer
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I wonder if you could feed her home cooked meals for cheaper than the stuff you can get at the vet. Chicken, chicken livers, cuts of beef on clearance, those are usually pretty cheap. Maybe make a big a batch at once and freeze to keep the workload down? I bet there are homemade cat food recipes online.

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    ChariotLee
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I despise people who think their fat cat is just the cutest thing ever and frequently posting videos of their "chonk." Do you not see your cat? It can't lick itself properly, it can barely move, their only choice is to lay around. I have three well-fed housecats, but they're active and healthy. Please do something before you lose your cat to disease.

    Little Phoenix
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's always better for you pet to be a little skinny than overweight.

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    #21

    30 People In This Online Group List Things That Have A Much Darker Reality Than One Might Think gorosheeta said: Microplastics, the lead paint of our times. itsleslie000 replied: I’ve recently heard about this and the scary part is I don’t even know how to avoid it. For example with drinking water, water bottles have microplastics but tap water is also not 100% safe either (my tap is pretty good compared to most city’s) so how exactly can they be avoided in a situation like this. ITS WATER WE CANT REALLY JUST NOT DRINK WATER? thanks!!

    gorosheeta , NOAA Marine Debris Program Report

    Luther von Wolfen
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    All future life on Earth will contain microplastics. There is no undoing it.

    Jo Choto
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Apparently all babies, ALL of them everywhere, contain a recordable level of microplastics.

    Cadena Norton
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I was watching something about how a research team needed uncontaminated blood for a project and ended up having to use blood from pre WW1 soldiers as everyone after was tainted

    Charlie Taube
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Scientists were looking to study the effects of micro plastics, but they couldn’t find a control group that was free from plastics. That is f*****g horrifying

    Mazer
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Found in the uterus AND placenta of women

    GoddessOdd
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    there is no way to avoid micro plastics, and please don't think buying bottled water is the answer, because it isn't. It's part of the problem.

    I I
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    read some more , BABIES are been born and they have micro plastics in them already , before even eating from the food chain , meaning we're f****d

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    Beth D
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    These are not microplastics these are Large pieces of plastic. Microplastic is about the size of sand and 35% of the Ocean's Microplastic comes from Clothing Textiles!!!

    Amanda Nolting
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I can't drink tap water. The only type of water I can drink without getting horrible acid reflux is alkaline water. Which comes in, yep, plastic bottles. Unfortunately no other options for me.

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    #22

    30 People In This Online Group List Things That Have A Much Darker Reality Than One Might Think Chocolate. Two-thirds of the world's chocolate is made by child labourers in West Africa. Approximately two million children work on these chocolate farms, mostly in the Ivory Coast. It gets worse: those children often end up working on those farms because they were trafficked across an international border, and have their passports stolen so that they cannot go home; this turns them into child slaves. Hershey, Nestle, Mars, Cargill, and Mondelez have been named as companies that benefit from the child slavery used to make their chocolate. The next time you eat a Milky Way or a Mars bar, remember that some kid lost their childhood, their family, and their freedom to make that bar for you. P.S. Want to eat chocolate without guilt? Look up the Fair Trade movement, or Slave Free Chocolate. Yeah, it costs a bit more, but why do you think normal chocolate is so cheap to begin with?

    rb7317 , russellstreet Report

    Jo Choto
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Fortunately, there are some really, really good brands, at least in the UK, that guarantee not to be involved in child labour or trafficking, and they provide names/places etc. of what they are sourcing and how, and how they are paying fair wages to growers/croppers. It means paying probably 10 - 20 percent more for the chocolate, but man, is it worth it. Also, while we are on this subject, please research the production of gold and diamonds and rethink buying either.

    Memere
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    We have some good brands here in the U.S. too. Chocolove is one of my favorites! And I quit buying Hershey & Nestle many years ago, not just because of the child/slave labor issue but because they just don't make good chocolate.

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    Mimi M
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    When you boycott child labor overseas, please consider that that child labor may be the only thing standing between that family (or that child) and either starvation or prostitution. Not saying that child labor is a good thing (it isn't), but do examine the whole picture - and consider supporting measures and programs that address the entire issue, not just the problem of child labor.

    Natalie Kudryashova
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Very good point. The systems that allow child exploitation in the first place go beyond a specific crop/ industry. If these children weren’t forced to grow cocoa, what would the alternative look like? Would they have a normal life or just be forced to grow something else?

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    loopyli
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Try Tony's Chocoloney! It's slave free and it's sold at whole foods, fresh market, and other stores. It's also not too expensive for the size

    Bill cipher
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    There are chocolate companies trying to stop labor created chocolate like Tony’s chocolonely

    Xenon
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    American chocolate sucks anyway.

    Brandy Grote
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Kids gotta eat. Parents have no money. Sell the kid or send them to work. Kids work. Kids may or may not get fed. Africa doesn't need Christianity that can't stop rape, doesn't allow abortions OR keep families together and fed. Maybe in 100 years it will be different, but for now.. here it is.

    Kai David
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This ißue is not exclusive to the afore mentioned products. It's just about every consumable products that Americans buy. Clothes toys food products etc. Instead of focusing on slavery from over 150 years ago, lets addreß and focus on the slavery ißues of today

    L. Murphy
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Hershey's, Nestle and Mars are garbage chocolate anyway. Buy good stuff that's Fair Trade.

    Wistiti
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    There are more slaves now that there has been in the past.

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    #23

    30 People In This Online Group List Things That Have A Much Darker Reality Than One Might Think OverallSafety791 said: Civil forfeiture. You probably already think it’s [messed] up, and it’s even more [messed] it than you think it is. Even the name is gross. TheSnowSquid explained: Say you sold your old car for cash. On the way to the bank you get pulled over and the police find the 5k. If they even suspect that it wasn’t gotten legally they can take it. Then not only do they not have to prove that it’s illegal you have to pay legal fees to sue to get it back.

    OverallSafety791 · , Rutger van der Maar Report

    Cactus McCoy
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I peg your pardon, WHAT? Police can take whatever they want at will, as long as they state a suspicion? Do I understand that correctly? Where in h3ll is that legal?

    Sarra Johanssen
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Right here in the US. And as a landlord, this terrifies me - if one of my tenants is, say, growing weed or cooking meth in my rental house and get caught, the cops can TAKE MY HOUSE.

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    Erik Lawrence
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    look at all the police auctions... making money on the things people actually own. its all stuff either seized by police, or taken from criminals... so your stuff that was stolen, people are buying it. Cops claim you were selling drugs, so they seized your money, and stuff in your car? even though the charges were dropped, money is gone, your stuff is up for sale.

    Toothless Feline
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm sick of the obfuscating phrase "civil asset forfeiture". Let's call it what it is: legalized theft committed by law enforcement.

    Robert T
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The basic premise of this is pretty reasonable. If someone makes money from crime, then the Police/government should be able to seize bank accounts and assets to either try to return it to the victims or to benefit society as a whole. What it seems to be lacking in the US is appropriate measures, such as proof and process to ensure that a real crime has taken place. In the UK, we have a "proceeds of crime act" which does similar, but it would appear that there is much more process involved, and the only times we hear of it being used are when drug dealers or con artists are caught.

    advice5cents
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I almost have to block it out of my mind because it's so appalling and infuriating.

    Amanda Hunter
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Why would law enforcement pull you over?

    WhatEvenIsLife
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yep. Am paralegal, used to work on civil forfeiture cases. It's complete bullsh*t.

    WhatEvenIsLife
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yup. Am paralegal, used to work on civil forfeiture cases. Absolutely appalling.

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    #24

    30 People In This Online Group List Things That Have A Much Darker Reality Than One Might Think Being an adult with ADD. A lot of people see you as awkward and loud, but the truth is that your brain is operating completely differently than theirs through no fault of your own. Having been on meds for a time, it is night and day: my brain goes 150mph, but with meds it slowed down to 55. And getting medicated for it outside of your formative years is a real struggle. Most doctors will think you’re just after a high, but you’re literally sitting there going “I can’t THINK like other people do and because of it, I am suffering and need help.” Edit: I’m out of date and did not realize that ADD is an outdated term. It’s what I’ve always called it. But technically ADD is now called “inattentive-type ADHD.” It’s ADHD minus the hyperactivity, basically.

    badgerclark , Andy / Andrew Fogg Report

    RandomBeing
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Oh and ADHD is like the dumbest name for it. It's literally inaccurate. ADHD is super complex.

    Nikki Sevven
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Agreed. My "hyperactivity" is not physical, but intellectual. My brain literally won't shut up, drifting randomly from thought to thought or playing snippets of songs over and over again. As you can imagine, this is a lot of fun when you're trying to sleep.

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    Natalie Kelsey
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I wasn't diagnosed with mental illness until my 30s. I have bipolar 1 and ADHD. The bipolar is awful but the meds I'm on are great and I haven't had an episode in years. But the ADHD has negatively affected.my life every day since childhood, even with treatment and therapy. I do my best, use coping mechanisms, take my meds, etc... but I will forever and ever be that lazy, messy, loud kid who's smart and has potential but doesn't put in enough effort. No matter how hard I try, I will never have enough executive function to be normal. I've raised four kids and 3 of them are now adults, and I have kept my most recent job for 7 years, my husband is awesome and we've been together for 21 years. So I have a successful life, by most measurements. But I'm late for everything, my house is beyond messy, I don't exercise, and most people don't understand or care to get to know me or understand. So I just have to live with that

    Bexxxxx
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That lazy, messy, loud kid you’ve become sounds like a lovely person 🧡 you don’t need to be neurotypical to live a good life :)

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    Foxxy (The Original)
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I myself was diagnosed with ADD last year and tried meds but I ended up having a "come down" by 4pm every day which was awful for everyone. I decided not to try new meds coz I have decided to try and do a "reset". Once I get my implanon removed I want to slowly stop my antidepressants and see if my moods and weight loss improve. Then I may reconsider trying a different med.

    Aisling Raye
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Exactly this. I wasn't dx'd until 23. I'm 40 and (due to a change in my insurance at the start of this year) I am currently fighting my new insurance to cover a medication I have been on for 17 years because per their their plan "it's only approved for use in patients up to 17 years old." Oh, pretty sure my doc knows more about this than your insurance

    Aisling Raye
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Rx formulary decision maker person (I hit enter too quick...oops)

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    Sasquatch The Almighty
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So much this. Without medication, my thoughts are like a swarm of angry bees, and the world is just baffling. Medicated, the bees all form a quiet, orderly queue, and the world is a simple, easy place

    Brandy Grote
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Being told you don't have ADD "because you did well in school". It's called G2. Yes, I did well in school. Except when answering questions, staying on task, finishing (or even starting) projects, making and keeping friends, organizing my life and belongings....

    Jenn C
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    For anyone who needs to hear this - taking medication for ADHD, depression, anxiety, ect. does not mean that you are broken or weak. It's no different than, say, taking insulin for diabetes. All it means is that your body isn't making or receiving certain chemicals correctly, and the medication helps to correct that imbalance. You do not have to tough it out and handle it by yourself. If you can find the right combination of meds, it is so much easier to just exist and be yourself when you don't have to fight your own brain.

    Jenn C
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My doctor was very supportive, and when he retired I was worried that a new doctor would try t ok change or reduce my meds. Luckily he was okay with keeping me on my current meds, when I told him that it hadn't gone well when we tried to decrease my dosage a few years earlier.

    Ladedah
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yeah, I get the feeling. I've been on my meds for over 15 years and my doctor has changed at least 3 times. Every time i get a new one, I feel like they start out by interrogating me like a drug abuser. I finally thought my newest one might actually "get it"... but then he asked if I was still working. When I told him "yes", he said "well, working as a nurse is job that requires a lot of focus, so I guess we'll keep you on it for now." OMFG. He was serious, too. Because it's not like the rest of my entire life would be a complete f***ing mess when taking me off the only meds that have made me feel like an almost-normal human being for the last decade and a half. It's not about "being able to focus on work or school," it's about being able to to FUNCTIONALLY LIVE MY FREAKING LIFE.

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    advice5cents
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My mother has more sympathy for my brother's alcoholism than for my ADHD. A ton more.

    Bexxxxx
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That sucks :( sending you tons of love and empathy for your ADHD, it’s not easy to live with and you struggle every day so good for you for fighting the good fight! 🧡

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    Grace Note
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I've just been diagnosed as an adult and it's changed my life because everything makes sense at last. I'm the inattentive type which is why I never thought I could have ADHD because there is no hyperactivity.

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    #25

    30 People In This Online Group List Things That Have A Much Darker Reality Than One Might Think 93yourcultleader93 said: Withdrawal Jmac0585 replied: I have a friend who did every drug he could except one: heroin. He didn't do heroin. I asked why, he said His dad was a preacher. When he was a young teen, One night at 2 in the morning he was woken up by loud knocking at the door. It was one of the members of his dad's church, asking the preacher for help getting off heroin. My friend said he watched this guy go through withdraws for a couple weeks, and swore he'd never do heroin.

    93yourcultleader93 , Hector Alejandro Report

    Nikki Sevven
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Note: even prescription drugs can cause withdrawal if you stop taking them suddenly. It's always best to check with your doctor in case you need to slowly reduce your dosage.

    Got Myself 4 Dwarves
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I had to recently change meds I'd been on for a long time - I followed the docs instructions, weaning myself off by lowering dosage etc. I felt utterly awful for weeks, still don't feel very well - and that's prescribed meds with a treatment plan. At several points I was convinced I was having some kind of stroke along with organs dying - it's brutal.

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    Travis Fox
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Only in the US can someone get help for addiction, get arrested for anything at all that requires a jail stay (even overnight) and have to go thru withdrawal because the medication that got them off drugs is with held by the justice system as unnecessary (even though it was prescribed by a physician)... And society as a whole thinks this is ok and demonizes those who have sought help. It's so messed up

    Jo Choto
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Withdrawal from any addiction can often be fatal if not managed properly, including withdrawal from alcohol.

    Buren
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    But did every other drug? He is not that smart, isn't he?

    Aunt E
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Your comment is a great example of why there is such a stigma around mental health and addiction. Addiction, like other compulsive behaviors, isn't actually related to intelligence.

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    Kay blue
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I am on prescribed opiate painkillers and go through withdrawal every time they mess up my meds. It's like your body wants to get rid of every bit of fluid it can, your temperature is messed up and the full body pain makes you want to die.

    advice5cents
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    All the education we got about drinking, they rarely mention that withdrawing from alcohol can kill you.

    Jen Moya
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I had an ex boyfriend who had a horrible opiode addiction (actually OD'd and passed). I saw what he went thru. No thanks!

    Grace Note
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Withdrawal from heroin, whilst really horrible is neither the most "difficult" nor the most dangerous. It's a shame that the young man thought that he would be in some way "safer" by staying away from heroin whilst still using all manner of drugs that could cause hideous withdrawal symptoms.

    yellowphantom
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Withdrawal from alcohol is far more likely to kill you than withdrawal from heroin.

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    Oly-babe
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Opiate withdrawal is literal hell I don’t wish upon my worst enemy. & if you try to get help for it you’re called a junkie & drs & hospitals won’t do s**t except try to get you into a detox/rehab facility which most have long wait lists or don’t take Medicaid & are expensive. Other d***s including prescriptions have withdrawals also. Some of the d***s I’ve been prescribed by drs who say opiates are evil you’ll relapse here take this instead & the side effects & withdrawal are almost as bad!

    #iwriteitall
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Due to my chronic pain illness I've had an unwanted relationship with narcotics for years I've done 2 detoxs so far and fur a 3 soon and it is literally the worst hardest horrendous thing I've had to endure_fin my life on par with the illness itself.

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    #26

    30 People In This Online Group List Things That Have A Much Darker Reality Than One Might Think Jaimaster said: Recycling. What, you thought because you did the right thing that the waste gets recycled? Ha! For decades it was exported into Chinese landfills by the literal barge load. Now China have banned the import of "low quality" recyclables, and this material instead sits in storage in many western nations as we collectively wonder what the heck to do with it all. ColorfulBosk elaborated: I work in the plastics industry. Something many people don’t realize is that the majority of plastics are not recyclable. The logo with a number in it, which looks really close to the actual recyclable logo, is in fact just a resin identification logo, that tells you what kind of plastic it is. It looks really close to the recyclable logo design, intentionally, so you think by actually throwing that plastic in the recycling bin, it get reused. The vast majority of plastic types are not recyclable, and the few that can be recycled and reused, only a small percentage actually is, because that’s just not profitable to go thru that effort.

    Jaimaster , markheseltine Report

    Luther von Wolfen
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Recycling isn't a bad thing when it actually happens. This is about the fact that very little of what's "recyclable" actually is, and that little bit usually isn't recycled.

    advice5cents
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I try to recycle, but I've heard nothing but horror stories about how expensive, wasteful, and fraudulent it is- except for metal. So I try to buy canned when given the option and to reuse glass. It feels a bit hopeless though

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    Requiem
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NO China takes North Americas trash and turns it in to other things

    Troux
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm not sure about in other countries, but the US is in this weird spot with being honest about it. Some waste collectors will tell you "yes we recycle glass" and some will tell you "no we don't, please throw your glass in standard waste," but as far as I know, almost nowhere is actually recycling glass anymore, they just decide whether or not to throw it away after collection, or tell the people at home to.

    Amanda Hunter
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And how about all the little toiletry bottles in Hotels? They should have dispensers attached to the wall.

    Deep One
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Unless we have legislation to force companies to recycle it is useless. If all private citizens recycled 100% it would only account for 3%. Businesses are by far the largest producers of trash.

    Brandy Grote
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Naaa, once we throw it "away", it isn't nearby, and thus not our problem. Until it is.

    New Everywhere
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What the hell is going on? Like everywhere. At every turn.

    Bob D. Lin Quint
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Why don't we build a furnace in space and burn our trash outside the atmosphere? How many doge to get this message to Elon?

    Colin Leamon
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And they're making more plastic so people can feel good about themselves when they recycle it!

    Shane S
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It can take more energy to recycle than to create new materials so in some cases recycling is actually worse for the planet. Try not to create so much trash in the first place or choose natural or biodegradable products. That’s the only good solution.

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    #27

    30 People In This Online Group List Things That Have A Much Darker Reality Than One Might Think I don't know about other countries, but here in Australia. Almost all apartment complexes, skyscrapers and hotels and many other structures in this country built in the last 10-20 years are built using PE (polyethene) cladding. It's the cheapest type of aluminium sheets on the market and the reason why it's cheap is because ITS MADE OUT OF PETROLEUM. Highly flammable and WILL cause buildings to burst into flames and deaths are almost an inevitable when they do catch alight. That's right. Who in their right mind ever thought it be a good idea to build buildings out of petrol ? Especially in a hot country like Australia where summer temperatures can reach as high as 51 degrees Celsius. And many people are completely unaware. Both myself, firefighters and other construction workers and labourers have commented many times on how those buildings lasted more than 5 years without sinking in on itself or bursting into flames. It's [messed] up

    AussieJonesNoelzy , Gregg Tavares Report

    BusyLizzy
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    We have this issue in the UK too. If you haven't heard if it, look up Grenfell Tower. It's a horrific tragedy that was preventable, and it highlighted the scale of the problem. Its scary.

    Tee Witt
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    3 years ago

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    The UK does not have the same problems. Not that many have flammable materials in their houses, it would be illegal. The temperatures certainly do not reach 51 C

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    Robert T
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This post is [messed] up. Aluminium is a metalic element. It cannot possibly be "made out of petrolium". Polymers (of which polyethene is one) are often manufactured from oil, but they are plastics, not petrolium. Some of them burn, but that is not because they are "made out of petrolium". What is messed up is putting flamable composite cladding on the outside of buildings - building safety code should dictate what is safe to use, but as has been found in the UK, certain companies were selling cladding claiming it had a better fire safefty rating than it did, and also that the regulations themselves were insufficient - now we have a big argument over who pays to remove it all, and whilst they argue about it, more lives are in danger.

    Oopsydaisy
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I wondered about that. This information sounded wrong. We have a problem with cladding, which authorities actually knew but kept a lid on until after the Grenfell fire. It's a major issue. If I was buying an apartment I wouldn't buy one built in the last 30 years. But the op is full of crap. It never teaches anywhere near 51c in Australian cities and even if it did I can't see buildings spontaneously bursting into flames.

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    Susie Elle
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Genuine question: you could also say vaseline is made from petroleum, but isn't flammable (as far as I know). Just because something is made from petroleum, which is flammable, doesn't mean the end-product is equally flammable, right? Or am I just ignorant in this case? Where I live we rarely have to deal with wildfires or anything so I know very little about this.

    BusyLizzy
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It all depends on the compound. Vaseline is still flammable just at a much higher temperature. PE cladding if it catches fire burns quickly. At Grenfell, a small electrical fire caused a block of flats to become what was essentially a flaming torch.

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    Oopsydaisy
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Whilst it's probably not a great building material, the writer of this post is indulging in some typical 'omg our country' hyperbole. There are very few places in Australia which would reach 51c, and certainly none of the places where there are skyscrapers. I wish I wasn't Australian. We are so full of s**t. People like this person make me ashamed to live in such an ignorant, boastful country

    Tim
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    In the US, not only is there plastic siding (as we call it), but the buildings are almost entirely wooden.

    Mazer
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Lots of sketchy materials out. Vinyl siding for homes is very unhealthy especially for fire fighters

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    #28

    30 People In This Online Group List Things That Have A Much Darker Reality Than One Might Think echoes_of_the_moor said: The fact that we spend more time with our co-workers and at work than we do with our own families. This is extremely messed up as a parent of a 4 year old. I see her maybe 3 hours a day. TheMrBigT77 replied: I did a zoom job reference for a friend and mentioned about work life balance. The two HR people on the call were very impressed that I felt so strongly about it. Like, doesn't everyone? Seems not... a_tiny_ant replied: I'm still afraid that mentioning workers rights puts me on some blacklist. Ineligible for promotions or contract renewal.

    echoes_of_the_moor , IDOMENEAS Report

    bumble bee
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Every societal dynamic is founded on competition. Everything we do is setup in this fashion. Whether man made or by our natural tendencies. Our lives can be summed up as winning in various degrees and losing.

    WhatEvenIsLife
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I switched to a fully remote job, and I've never been happier in my life. I felt like I was missing my kids' childhoods and it REALLY depressed me. Maybe some people are cool with that, but I really believe that most humans just aren't built to live that way. Our entire lives revolve around work and that's just not okay.

    miss miss
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I took care of my own babies. Without the big house and vacations

    Vetus Vespertilio
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    How fortunate that you were able to do that! In my family, after my mother died my father worked three jobs to pay off the medical debts and feed his children.

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    #29

    30 People In This Online Group List Things That Have A Much Darker Reality Than One Might Think yosemite369 said: The fact that most of us wouldn’t know how to survive if [excrement] hit the fan and mass production of goods halted. I live in a state where water is scarce and couldn’t farm if I tried because it’s so dry. Main-Yogurtcloset-82 replied: I read somewhere that if the power grid went down and production halted something like 60% of American citizens would die due to us no longer having the skills to hunt and gather. And I kind of felt like that was a [messed up]thing to say. For example, I live in a very densely populated city. Hunt and gather WHAT? Sure squirrels and raccoons, even rats but a city of hundreds of thousands all hunting small animals at the same time would deplete the population fast. There is also no edible growth. It be different if we lived out in the boonies or in a more wild state like Wyoming or Montana, but for the average American they live in a place where there really isn't anything to hunt and gather to begin with.

    yosemite369 , Heiloo Online Report

    May
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm a creature of comfort - I know how to do a lot of practical things, and what's edible and what isn't in my local flora, but I don't want to be one of the survivors of a major catastrophe, I want to be one of the first to go.

    TheReader19
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm with you May; I'm 54 now so why hang around to do what exactly? Suffering isn't my forte

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    Scagsy
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    ...and then there's the preppers.

    Oopsydaisy
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Who are mostly old, so who are they kidding. They must have got so excited at the start of COVID. It amuses me to think of the apocalypse finally happening and the preppers bunkering down, only to die from food poisoning because their tinned food doesn't actually last forever.

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    Jo Choto
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I've already figured out what my roles would have to be come the apocalypse: I can cook pretty much anything and make it taste good, so that's skill number 1. Number 2, musician/singer for entertainment. 3/ Maker of warm clothes (in case none were left in the shops!) 4/ Sex worker. Hopefully a combination of those would keep me alive.

    Yoga Kitty
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'd rather volunteer as food. I don't fancy the idea of living a post-apocalyptic life and with all the weight I gained working from home I assume I could decently serve a family of four for several days. Any ideas? Soup, a nice roast and some steaks? Remember, I am vegan - this is probably the closest you will come to grass-fed at that point...

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    advice5cents
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My smug brother worked with a landscaping crew in high school. "Learn anything?" "Yeah, when the apocalypse comes, I won't make it past the first round."

    Bettie-Jean Neal
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If the power grid went down, I'd be dead in 3 days (I'm on dialysis).

    Tami
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Does the clinic have gas-powered generators to keep things going?

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    Natalie Kelsey
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I work on a farm and I hope people turn to gardening before hunting. Unless the disaster starts in the winter there's so much ability to sustain ourselves even in urban Massachusetts where I am. We saw a lot of new gardeners during the pandemic and between that and good disaster preparedness, we should be okay. Not prepper level stuff, either, just putting a little non-perishable stuff and water gallons away each month. We should be okay

    miss miss
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Not really. You would need 7 yrs worth of stuff, and the gov would hoard/take it

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    Firkin Dirkin
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    No matter where you live, there is nothing to hunt after a week because billions of people got there first. We will be eating people, as they are the only food left in plentiful supply.. for a while

    Tami
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So you got me wondering about the appearance of "green pea protein" powders on the market. 😄

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    aaaggg hhh
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It would be nice to learn how to "live off the grid", but anyone who is out there teaching those types of skills seems to also want to topple the US Government and replace it with the Fourth Reich.

    Tee Witt
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Having the skills to hunt? If they did how would long they last before ALL the wildlife left was gone?

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    #30

    30 People In This Online Group List Things That Have A Much Darker Reality Than One Might Think ShaDow_R3PlAYz said: Corporations selling your information for profit. Some people just don't understand how [messed] up it really is. Also ISP monopolies. [Screw] em. Scalessz replied: I guess I usually don't understand it because I don't know how much it really affects me, I mean, I don't know what they do with that info honestly. nerevisigoth explained: They mostly just try to sell you [stuff] that other people like you tend to buy. They might also try to sway you to a political view using persuasion tactics that worked on other people like you. Beyond that, nobody cares about your data unless you're pretty important.

    ShaDow_R3PlAYz , awyu322 Report

    Troux
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Damn I wanna deleat those cookies.

    Stephanie Keith
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Oh you are important. Even the little guy's information is important. We are all being influenced and lead to think and feel a certain way. Our data and the way we think is definitely being used against us all in so many ways.

    Thee8thsense
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    There is a movie called The Social Dilemma that I recommend on this topic.

    bumble bee
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Oh its more than that these days. The current hive mentalities are used to destroy others if they dare to contradict the hive, show independent thought, or if you just say no to something. What you do online (data) is being assessed for threats by various groups and those who dare to even say "but..." are dealt with by destroying credibility, ability to work, ability to provide for oneself/family.

    Natalie Kelsey
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I just read an article about how multiple different prayer apps not only sell your personal data, but also sell the contents of the actual prayers that aren't anonymous. So at people's most vulnerable time, like their marriage falling apart or their elderly parents falling ill, they'll get targeted ads for say, couples therapists, divorce lawyers, or nursing homes. I felt so sick reading that. Pray directly to God, folks, don't put your vulnerability out there for corporate greed to feed on :(

    Jaime Blackwater
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They do a poor job. All things aimed at me via ads and algorithms tend to be utterly inaccurate. My gf gets a kick out of the ads that try to lure me in but she can look at me and say "it's like they don't even know you".

    Missi Boness
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Came here to say this post made me want to eat cookies 😂

    Roxy Eastland
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They want to use the data to target you when you're at your most vulnerable. If these companies had their own way it could become astonishingly exploitative. I was listening to a radio programme where they explained how algorithms could work out someone was gay before the actual person had worked it out, for example.

    LetsGoBrandon
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    With them enacting real life Minority Reporting, anything can be made to look bad - no matter how innocent you think you are...Your government is NOT there to help & support you!

    Shane S
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You mean I’m not as special as my momma told me?!?!

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