Boss Insists Employees Work Until The Last Minute, Gets Exactly That As They Stop Responding After Hours And On The Weekends
There are strict bosses who make no exceptions to their rules and then there are toxic ones who bend them every chance they get only to exploit their workers.
Recently, Reddit user Gloglibologna submitted a post to the platform’s ‘Malicious Compliance‘ community, telling a story about a manager in their company that falls into the latter category.
The man demanded the employees stay at the office until the very end of their work hours, no matter whether or not they could actually do anything, but at the same time expected them to put in extra effort during their free time as well.
As you might guess, it didn’t take long before everyone grew sick and tired of these double standards. Continue scrolling to learn how Gloglibologna and their colleagues responded.
This boss refused to allow his employees to leave the office even a couple of minutes early
Image credits: Ono Kosuki (not the actual photo)
So they devised a plan to give him a taste of his own medicine
It drove the boss nuts
Image credits: Nicola Barts (not the actual photo)
But there really wasn’t anything he could do about it
Image credits: Gloglibologna
If we take a look at the 12 traits the Young Entrepreneur Council (YEC) thinks bad bosses have in common, we would notice multiple features that, at least from what we see in this post, fit the VP at Gloglibologna’s office.
The invite-only organization comprised of the world’s most successful entrepreneurs aged 40 and younger, believes that a one-size-fits-all approach to management, lack of empathy, and being focused on blame, rather than solutions and support (among other things) are the defining characteristics of lousy leaders.
And people do, in fact, often leave bosses, not companies. Even before they clear out their desk.
While much has been written about the Great Resignation, a new term has emerged to describe an increasingly common alternative to resigning, called quiet quitting. Driven by many of the same underlying causes as actual resignations, this concept refers to opting out of tasks beyond one’s assigned duties and/or becoming less psychologically invested in work.
To put it simply, quiet quitters continue to fulfill their primary responsibilities, but they’re less willing to engage in activities known as citizenship behaviors: no more staying late, showing up early, or attending non-mandatory meetings.
Gallup found that quiet quitters make up at least 50% of the U.S. workforce, and probably even more.
During the second quarter of 2022, the proportion of engaged workers stood at 32% but the proportion of actively disengaged increased to 18%. The ratio of these two groups is now 1.8 to 1, the lowest in almost a decade.
The overall decline is thought to be especially related to clarity of expectations, opportunities to learn and grow, feeling cared about, and a connection to the organization’s mission or purpose, signaling a growing disconnect between employees and their employers.
So no wonder there were so many people who related to Gloglibologna in the comment section below their post.
Adrian Marsh, a career coach and regional director at Personal Career Management, which is recognized as the UK’s leading provider of bespoke career management and outplacement services for both organizations and individuals, told Bored Panda that, “a desire to work somewhere where they feel truly valued and appreciated is often listed as an important driver by [our] clients who are looking to change roles and on the other side of the coin, feeling unappreciated is often cited as a reason by clients who for leaving their last role,” Marsh said.
“Our sense of being valued as an employee can be diminished in multiple ways – e.g. a lack of appreciation or positive feedback about our work from managers, a feeling of being ‘taken for granted’, expected to consistently work beyond our contracted hours, being passed over for promotion without clarity as to why this is the case, unfairness, being expected to make sacrifices which affect our personal lives without this being acknowledged or compensated, not being awarded a payrise when perhaps others we perceive as less deserving have been given one.”
Marsh also pointed out that sometimes there can be a disconnect between what we see as being important in the way the role is conducted and what is measured and therefore noticed by the organization. “‘Burnout’ can also be a factor affecting people who may previously have loved their jobs and see them as vital, if the workload has become unsustainable such that work is taking a toll on their physical or mental wellbeing,” he added.
According to the career coach, if employees end up disappointed with their job, they should start looking at their predicament from an analytical point of view instead of simply hoping that everything will go back to normal.
“The first step and one we can start on at any time is to develop a clear understanding of what really matters to us about work and build on these factors to develop some clear career goals,” Marsh explained. “Our careers belong to us … and we are the only ones who experience [them], so we should not expect, or want, anyone else to do this for us.”
“To improve matters within a current role, make sure that your job description and objectives are clear, that you know what is expected of you, and how success will be measured,” he continued. “It’s also important that your job description, objectives and success metrics are realistic and accurately reflect the situation on the ground. If not, it’s good to have a discussion with your manager about refining the goals and objectives or gaining extra support.”
Another good way to improve job satisfaction is what Marsh calls job-crafting. “Employees often underestimate the scope that exists for adjusting their current role,” he highlighted. “The tasks it encompasses could be adjusted, there could be scope for creating more interaction with different teams, or you might want to try rethinking the purpose of the role – something that can be very powerful. The key to success with job-crafting is finding a win-win – identifying a gain for the organization as well as yourself. That gain would likely be the starting point for any discussion with your manager.”
Once you have a clearer picture of what you want from your career, how your current role fits within that picture, and how you’d like to see it evolve, you’re in a great place to have a career conversation with your manager. “This may take place as part of an annual review – even better if it can take place outside of discussions about pay and performance, thinking more specifically about your career ambitions and development aims,” Marsh said.
Thinking slightly longer term, “it’s important to recognize that achieving your goals will not just follow automatically from performing your job well. The image that our peers, colleagues, managers, and customers have of us, and ensuring that the folks whose opinions or impressions can affect our job prospects know about all the good stuff we have done are arguably (and some might say unfortunately) even more important factors and recognizing when change may be needed is also important.”
Extreme cases aside, quitting your job isn’t something you want to do on the spot. Sometimes, even a little bit of malicious compliance can be enough.
As the story went viral, people expressed their support for the original poster (OP), and some said they also had similar experiences
When younger and dumber I often stayed late at work. Then I got 'spoken to' for coming in a few minutes late one day. I pointed out that I was spening more time at work than required. Made no never mind to them. So, no more extra free work. Was good in that it woke me up.
It’s sad people only notice what they see as negatives, instead of everything else.
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Executives who earn much more, get egregious severance packages if they leave - somehow expect people who make less money to care as much as they do. Hmmmm
corporate America = greed.example how can wal mart pay 4 billion for a football team and pay the hourly workers so little? the wal mart children that inherited that $ never worked a day in their lives. believe it or not I consider myself very middle of the road politically. just sick of all the evil. yes, greed is evil.
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I never understood this when I managed. As long as you're working your 40 I don't care. Unless your job is specifically to be available to customers during specific hours, It doesn't really matter if you work 10 hours one day and 6 the next, as long as you are doing your work.
My manager doesn't even care that I work my full 20 hours (I'm part-time because of university). If I work 17, and the work gets done, I can put down 20 and he doesn't care (his words). That's a cool a*s manager if you ask me. The implied rule is of course not to abuse it, but this flexibility has made me want to go above and beyond when necessary, for example regarding overtime (which for a college student isn't exactly a given)
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I used to work weekends driving the dump truck to the dumps to empty it and have it ready for the next work week. I gave my boss 3 weeks notice that I needed to take the weekend off and that he would have to have me empty the truck on Friday. Friday came and he said not to worry about it because he didn't have anything lined up. Saturday morning he called and said I needed to go empty the truck and I said no I have plans. He showed up at my house 20 minutes later and asked for my shop key and handed it to some kid he just hired to be the shop keeper dump truck driver. Apparently he didn't teach the kid how to drive the dump truck and the kid tried turning too fast and dumped everything onto highway 1. So then my boss shows up at my house saying let's go we have to go clean up the mess on the highway. I told him no. He got mad and said he was going to fire me, I turned him into the labor board for not paying any of us overtime and we all got fat checks a month later.
Every time I read one of those stories from the US, I realise again how bad they have it there. Things are getting worse in Europe but we haven't reach dystopia yet. Let's fight for our rights again, there is hope yet.
Yet too many Americans claim wanting decent treatment and expecting a work life balance is lazy 🙄 because of that things will never be decent
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We went on leave. The Monday of my first day of leave i attended a meeting from home as i promised (big prezzo), after that i informed work that i would be turning my office cell OFF. (everyone had my personal phone number and the Wife's). Upon returning home after a week away, on the Sunday, there were ZERO missed calls. Zero-direct-to-me emails, and only a few moron-Teams messages that clearly went unanswered. Following Monday morning was like any other, a normal Monday. That's how our team works. Leave is leave, you might as well have left the planet.
That's how it should be. I think you see enough things like this, you think it's every company ever, but I think there are plenty of companies that still respect boundaries, you just don't hear about them.
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My dad used to come into his New York office 30-45 minutes early, because a lot of his business was with phone calls from Europe. Then he'd take off a few minutes early in order to catch the earlier Staten Island Ferry. A new supervisor came in and told him he could not leave until the designated quitting time. so he stopped coming in early. Within days the Head Office was getting calls from Europe asking why they couldn't get a hold of my dad anymore. Needles to say, Head Office put a stop to the nonsense, and told the supe to leave my dad alone. Peace then reigned in New York and Europe.
I like how you accidentally wrote “Needles” to say. That made me laugh!
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I used to manage in the food industry and had an assistant manager that would always show up 10 to 15 minutes late for whatever shift he was scheduled for. It was irritating, BUT, he would also work late almost every day. If it took an extra 10 minutes or 2 hours over shift to get the work done, he would stay. So I just adapted and scheduled him 1/2 hour earlier. We figured out how to adapt to things like this 30 years ago. Bosses today need to catch up.
See, you were a good manager. I'm glad to be working with a good manager too
Load More Replies... It's similar to a "work to rule" strike. Lots of people don't want to strike but at the same time don't want to be taken advantage of. A lot of companies get extras from their employees without realising how much goodwill they receive. The minute they start throwing their weight around they lose the goodwill and the company loses the respect it once held.
In many countries, it is illegal for an employer or a manager to contact a subordinate after hours, on weekends, or on vacation. It should be the same way here in the us. We really don't have it as good as we were led to believe. I just retired this year and wish I would have known the way things were in other countries sooner. I would have pushed back more.
The higher ups wanted everyone to clock in several minutes before starting time to be able to get to their work stations and ready to work on the second. Meanwhile I would work on my lunch time and stay late. I was an hourly employee and they would call me to answer questions, talk people through fixes, and even go back to work to fix things that had messed up. Once when I complained to my department head that I had clocked in for a quick fix of a problem and had been paid for 15 minutes, which amounts to nothing, my department head laughed at me. I never answered another call. I let them call service 3 hours away or the department head herself had to go in although she lived 45 minutes away. My reward for years of doing extra work was to be one of the first employees let go when the company had financial problems. The boss kept the younger people who ran out the door at 5 pm and never once took an after hours call. Give them what they pay for and nothing else .
"Give them what they pay for and nothing else." Excellent advice. Excellent. - - - - - Most of the employers I know DREAM about getting so much from most of their employees! - - - - - I'd guess that maybe 10% of the people who might say "I'm doing the best I can"....... actually are. The other 90% who might be inclined to say "I'm doing the best I can"....... aren't even coming close! - - - - - "Give them what they pay for and nothing else." Words that 99% of employers would be THRILLED to have their workers live by! LOL
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My company focus outside of working hours is exactly equal to the amount of focus the company has on paying my bills after hours. They don't pay, I don't get pretty cash, residual income or overall profit to dip into. What's with these companies that expect everyone to be obsessed?
I used to do all kinds of extra work at jobs, even taking home filing to sort because the person who did it was behind and it made our jobs harder, but guess what? When it comes down to getting a raise, nobody cares. When the company isn’t doing so well, you’re still going to get laid off. From now on, I work the job I’m paid for, in the hours I’m assigned. However, I still give 100% every day because that’s me. I have to feel good about my contribution.
Meh, it depends honestly. I've been working at my company for a year, and my colleagues have complimented the amount of work I delivered. After thinking about it for a while and evaluating stuff like inflation and, well, the fact that I am currently living paycheck to paycheck, I asked my manager for a raise and argued why I thought I deserved it. Couple weeks later he called me back telling me my raise was out of budget for this year, but they could give it to me at the beginning of the next year (basically in 4 months, and yes I did get that in writing). So basically my raise was approved. Don't give up, there are good companies around
Load More Replies... When I worked retail, the office manager would often adjust people's time clocks so that they would get paid for what they had worked. Like, if someone was t allowed to work 10 hours in a day but they did to finish some project, she would take some of the hours from that day and add it to a short day. Which sounds like a way to avoid paying overtime, but it wasn't. Of course, she wasn't all hearts and flowers. This was the same manager who would change your schedule without telling you and then write you up for missing a shift. We got smart quick. Take a picture of your schedule on the computer the first day it's out.
Changing schedules w/o notification after it's posted is illegal as well.
Load More Replies... Idk why most employers are so fixated on the damn clock. The first thing my manager said right before hiring me was "If you work 4 hours and put in 6 into the system, as long as the work is done, I don't really care" (I'm salaried, so as long as I don't go over my hours my pay stays the same regardless). This is the kind of people you want to work with. Been here for over a year and the flexibility is amazing. A colleague is in a pinch and needs help with a project that's falling behind? Of course I'll offer to do some OT to help. Ironically (or maybe not), them not caring about employees being loyal has turned me into one!
I get it! "Company focused" means "you sell your life to us when you work here."
So... They're mad for being required to work the hours they're scheduled to be physically at the office? Can't even show up to work on time and expect they should let you leave early because you don't want to put a pin in 10 minutes worth of work and so you can get home 10 minutes early? Bet they still don't show up by 8:30. Here's an idea, get up 10 minutes earlier. Assuming they're only 5 minutes late each day, that's 75 minutes worth of work not done each week. Assuming a team of 5 are doing the same thing, thats 25 hours of work not getting done each month. Given it is an in-office entertainment job I have to assume the work has contracted deadlines. Assuming the deadline is 6 months, that's a little over 18 days worth of missed work (150 hours missed divided by 8 hour days). Adds up, right? This can lead to missed deadlines, or low quality work due to scrambling to make up the missed work toward the end.
My guy has never heard of the square root rule.
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I rode to work with my spouse who was habitually late. His position afforded him that ability, mine did not. However, both of us being workaholics, we were always staying late. One day my boss started complaining how I need to start being on time or else. I just said "if 9 is 9, then 5 is 5". He never complained again.
They trying to do us that way after 10 hours we are tird and ready to go. People are quiting because of it.
Works great for white collar salary employees, but almost every state is "at-will", you can be let go and the employer does not have to tell you why. If you work blue collar, hourly, retail, restaurant, hospitality......you are SOL.
Ha ha. Americans. Y'all are funny.
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Plus these bossmen get a commision for more work put out on less hours worked. I work for UPS and seeing it Yes we got a $2.75 "raise" with the new contract in August 2023. BUT OUR hours have been cut. 6 hours work in 4 hours. I am still taking home the same amount in pay I did 3 years ago even though pay has gone up...less hours, more new hires that usually quit in a week or so. Corporate America......the suit and tie MFer's. The dumb asses that dont even know how to put in a new light bulb Maybe have a maid to clean and wipe there a** That put US down for being to slow, or stupid, not abiding by THERE RULES! I can rant...listen to Rage Agaist The Machine, Zack sings about it beautifully
I had a job as the only guy who could do CNC programming for our primary production machine and would regularly stay after hours to make sure it was programmed for the next changeover. I once did a program/test run that took all of 10 hours after the end of my regular shift. I caught c**p the next day for not showing up for my scheduled shift at 08:00 when I had just punched out that morning at 04:00. Boss man didn't appreciate it when I turned around and demanded double time and a half for the previous 20 hours if he was going to cite me for showing up late. He got my message loud and clear after I threatened to quit and not train a replacement.
In Germany it is illegal for an employer to contact his employees after hours, during the weekend or when they are on vacation.
It's a numbers game to find that job that is a fit. This is why I'm glad I work remote. My first job for sold and my manager bailed. The new manager is completely clueless. I'm working an another remote job simultaneously. If the first one gets crazy I'll dump it and get another remote job. It's beautiful. I'll always have a job and I'll always be happy
Similar situation in my job years ago - plenty of people came in early because it was easier than struggling against heavy traffic half an hour later. However, when they asked to leave 10 mins early because the train left just at 5, and they couldn't make it to the station in less than 10 mins, they were told, any extra time you decide to give us is your choice, but you must remain till 5. Result? Resentful staff, who were lining up to leave at 4:59, and not prepared to do a minute more. Thankfully things eventually became a bit more relaxed.
British spelling of recognize? (Recognise) I thought this was about the current conditions of United States jobs. Also the quotes do all the talking, why am I here and not reading the source material instead? Make a point outside of the original reddit post y'all copied and pasted.
I never even read the article. Just the post. LoL
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I have the opposite, my boss tells me to stop working when I should be on vacation or at weekends. Rather have my boss than yours !
Great article ! I managed a shop for 40 yrs. struggled with this a LOT ! here's the rub, some managers just don't do well with "managing" there are many nuances here, a small percentage of employees are very hard to manage , constant time abusers, so companies initiate policies that should have some flexibility but oftentimes times "don't" because the more employees you have it can be real hard to manage, if you cut someone slack that is late constantly that makes the employee that makes a point to be on time fee like s**t and will push back on you in some way, the hard part is the late employee might be a rockstar in other ways ,this is where you need a good manager that can mentor this somehow to where others see your trying to fix this bonehead, if your being flexible it has to be equitable for everyone, I eventually had 110 employees ,the head office had execs that could be literally be Satan , employees under me didn't know what I was up against "productivity numbers" etc.
I understand living far from my job, but arriving late or leaving early would be a write up here in Texas. Unless you have a prearranged agreement with the company or that you have flex hours you are being paid your 830 to 500 shift and cheating the company of the time. You were hired for working hours 830 to 500 and you agreed to this. I worked a 8 to 5 job where I drove 30 mins to the train station and another hour by train. Driving in Dallas is a nightmare but I was hired 8-5 so I worked my 8 to 5 hitting bad traffic when I got off the train. I also understand not answer calls or emails after work hours or weekends. That's is your time. So unless they pay you for that time they can't really doing anything.. it's illegal to work for your job off the clock and not be paid
Wimpy people. I show up as requested and then I do things without being asked. I've worked for business for 10 years and had over 115 raises. Am I to b***h? Nope
I was in management, worked overtime and weekends, extended hours… I didn’t expect that from my team. We were exhausted; and all I got was being reprimanded for not working hard enough. I quit that toxic job. And my team followed me! I was never paid for the overtime and long hours. Was that legal? Do I have a case?
Leave 10 minutes early adds up. Maybe the boss will let you come in early to make up the time?
This article has made me so mad that I had to say something. The coming in late and leaving early bit is utterly absurd and childish! I had a manager that lived 2 hours away from the store I work at and he managed to arrive on time every day and leave when he was scheduled to! It is well wit in these people’s capabilities to show up on time! My other point is shame on the authors of this article to even give these crybabies a platform! I think the people mentioned in this article need to work retail. If you leave early and no one is in the store, then customers just start taking stuff! Are these crybabies so spoiled that they can’t find something to do for 10 minutes and have to shovel their work onto someone else? Also shame on these authors for glorifying insubordination! You don’t plot revenge on your manager unless your aim is to get fired! You go to your Human Resources department if you feel your manager is being unfair and you climb the chain of command! Just do your job!
They lived two hours from their workplace? What an idiot. They wasted four hours a day in transit, effectively reducing their hourly rate by about 50%, factor in fuel and vehicle wear and tear, and on top of that they left their family to fend for themselves for half the day. That's such terrible time and resource management. This is something that you actually think is laudable?
Load More Replies... Imagine! A boss who expects you to work the time you're getting paid for! What a jerk! But! ....... Here's a calculation almost no one ever bothers to do. If you slack for 10 minutes a day, every day - - - - unscheduled smoke break; come in late, leave early; stretch your lunch & breaks, etc. - - - - you give yourself an extra 1-week of paid vacation each year, taking it 10 minutes at a time! The math: 10 min. X 250 work days per year = 2500 ninutes. 40 hours of work (a typical work week) x 60 min = 2400 minutes! So, 10 minutes of not working the time you're paid-for each day = same as receiving an extra week's paid vacation each year! (Actually 41 hr 40 min of paid not-working!) You just take it 10 minutes at a time! C'mon, think about it! When you buy a gallon of gas or milk, you expect to get a full gallon, right? Not 126 of 128 oz? So why do you think that when your boss buys a "gallon" of your time, short-changing HIM is okay? 10 min/day = 1 wk extra paid vacation yearly!
So the employee steals 10 minutes a day. Which is roughly an hour a week. So if you make $90 hour, that's what you're stealing a week. Hopefully you can do the math for what that means over a year per person. This younger generation doesn't get it. It all about them. You're paid to work from 8-5 it's what you agreed to when you're hired so quit bitching and do your job.
You're getting paid to do a job, you thankless human. Get to work on time, which means in your seat, prior to start time; and don't leave until the shift is over. You will be fired otherwise.
My god y'all live in a f*****g dystopia. Shoo, boomer
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I can't believe how dumb that article was and how there are so many whining bitches Don't like your job quit and move on want a participation trophy too it's called life your generation is all soft as cotton
I'm sorry all I read was non committal, lazy and pissed about it. Work your hole damn shift. That's basic. I wouldn't want your there either.
I completely agree with you. It’s infuriating to see so many people agreeing with this article.
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I’ve wondered how these people who quiet quit pay their bills. Or do they have like 30 job offers pending. I’m a fan of two weeks notice, just because I want you to see how much I don’t care about you this job or you…( I said you twice because it’s always one you hope…..insert feelings here). Seeing how people in this generation act when told how to be at work confuses me it’s a job you get told what to do at work because they pay you to do it. I guess people are just richer then past generations and can not like this or that and bounce out like the light bill isn’t do. I was once told if you don’t like your boss or the job, start your own business, and be your own boss. If you do be prepared to have someone loathe you just as you loathed your old boss.
Quiet quitting is not really quitting is it? It is doing the job you are being paid for, but not going above and beyond for it. You work the hours you are being paid for. No more no less. Quiet quitting is not bending over backwards for a company or boss that doesn't value any extra work or hours you put in. It is quite healthy to quiet quit and maintain somewhat of a balance between work life and private life.
Load More Replies... I'm sorry all I just read was lazy, non committal and pissed about it. Work your hole damn shift. That's basic. I wouldn't want you there either.
This bare minimal s**t is infuriating. Tired of picking up other people's slack.
Load More Replies... When younger and dumber I often stayed late at work. Then I got 'spoken to' for coming in a few minutes late one day. I pointed out that I was spening more time at work than required. Made no never mind to them. So, no more extra free work. Was good in that it woke me up.
It’s sad people only notice what they see as negatives, instead of everything else.
Load More Replies... Executives who earn much more, get egregious severance packages if they leave - somehow expect people who make less money to care as much as they do. Hmmmm
corporate America = greed.example how can wal mart pay 4 billion for a football team and pay the hourly workers so little? the wal mart children that inherited that $ never worked a day in their lives. believe it or not I consider myself very middle of the road politically. just sick of all the evil. yes, greed is evil.
Load More Replies... I never understood this when I managed. As long as you're working your 40 I don't care. Unless your job is specifically to be available to customers during specific hours, It doesn't really matter if you work 10 hours one day and 6 the next, as long as you are doing your work.
My manager doesn't even care that I work my full 20 hours (I'm part-time because of university). If I work 17, and the work gets done, I can put down 20 and he doesn't care (his words). That's a cool a*s manager if you ask me. The implied rule is of course not to abuse it, but this flexibility has made me want to go above and beyond when necessary, for example regarding overtime (which for a college student isn't exactly a given)
Load More Replies... I used to work weekends driving the dump truck to the dumps to empty it and have it ready for the next work week. I gave my boss 3 weeks notice that I needed to take the weekend off and that he would have to have me empty the truck on Friday. Friday came and he said not to worry about it because he didn't have anything lined up. Saturday morning he called and said I needed to go empty the truck and I said no I have plans. He showed up at my house 20 minutes later and asked for my shop key and handed it to some kid he just hired to be the shop keeper dump truck driver. Apparently he didn't teach the kid how to drive the dump truck and the kid tried turning too fast and dumped everything onto highway 1. So then my boss shows up at my house saying let's go we have to go clean up the mess on the highway. I told him no. He got mad and said he was going to fire me, I turned him into the labor board for not paying any of us overtime and we all got fat checks a month later.
Every time I read one of those stories from the US, I realise again how bad they have it there. Things are getting worse in Europe but we haven't reach dystopia yet. Let's fight for our rights again, there is hope yet.
Yet too many Americans claim wanting decent treatment and expecting a work life balance is lazy 🙄 because of that things will never be decent
Load More Replies... We went on leave. The Monday of my first day of leave i attended a meeting from home as i promised (big prezzo), after that i informed work that i would be turning my office cell OFF. (everyone had my personal phone number and the Wife's). Upon returning home after a week away, on the Sunday, there were ZERO missed calls. Zero-direct-to-me emails, and only a few moron-Teams messages that clearly went unanswered. Following Monday morning was like any other, a normal Monday. That's how our team works. Leave is leave, you might as well have left the planet.
That's how it should be. I think you see enough things like this, you think it's every company ever, but I think there are plenty of companies that still respect boundaries, you just don't hear about them.
Load More Replies... My dad used to come into his New York office 30-45 minutes early, because a lot of his business was with phone calls from Europe. Then he'd take off a few minutes early in order to catch the earlier Staten Island Ferry. A new supervisor came in and told him he could not leave until the designated quitting time. so he stopped coming in early. Within days the Head Office was getting calls from Europe asking why they couldn't get a hold of my dad anymore. Needles to say, Head Office put a stop to the nonsense, and told the supe to leave my dad alone. Peace then reigned in New York and Europe.
I like how you accidentally wrote “Needles” to say. That made me laugh!
Load More Replies... I used to manage in the food industry and had an assistant manager that would always show up 10 to 15 minutes late for whatever shift he was scheduled for. It was irritating, BUT, he would also work late almost every day. If it took an extra 10 minutes or 2 hours over shift to get the work done, he would stay. So I just adapted and scheduled him 1/2 hour earlier. We figured out how to adapt to things like this 30 years ago. Bosses today need to catch up.
See, you were a good manager. I'm glad to be working with a good manager too
Load More Replies... It's similar to a "work to rule" strike. Lots of people don't want to strike but at the same time don't want to be taken advantage of. A lot of companies get extras from their employees without realising how much goodwill they receive. The minute they start throwing their weight around they lose the goodwill and the company loses the respect it once held.
In many countries, it is illegal for an employer or a manager to contact a subordinate after hours, on weekends, or on vacation. It should be the same way here in the us. We really don't have it as good as we were led to believe. I just retired this year and wish I would have known the way things were in other countries sooner. I would have pushed back more.
The higher ups wanted everyone to clock in several minutes before starting time to be able to get to their work stations and ready to work on the second. Meanwhile I would work on my lunch time and stay late. I was an hourly employee and they would call me to answer questions, talk people through fixes, and even go back to work to fix things that had messed up. Once when I complained to my department head that I had clocked in for a quick fix of a problem and had been paid for 15 minutes, which amounts to nothing, my department head laughed at me. I never answered another call. I let them call service 3 hours away or the department head herself had to go in although she lived 45 minutes away. My reward for years of doing extra work was to be one of the first employees let go when the company had financial problems. The boss kept the younger people who ran out the door at 5 pm and never once took an after hours call. Give them what they pay for and nothing else .
"Give them what they pay for and nothing else." Excellent advice. Excellent. - - - - - Most of the employers I know DREAM about getting so much from most of their employees! - - - - - I'd guess that maybe 10% of the people who might say "I'm doing the best I can"....... actually are. The other 90% who might be inclined to say "I'm doing the best I can"....... aren't even coming close! - - - - - "Give them what they pay for and nothing else." Words that 99% of employers would be THRILLED to have their workers live by! LOL
Load More Replies... My company focus outside of working hours is exactly equal to the amount of focus the company has on paying my bills after hours. They don't pay, I don't get pretty cash, residual income or overall profit to dip into. What's with these companies that expect everyone to be obsessed?
I used to do all kinds of extra work at jobs, even taking home filing to sort because the person who did it was behind and it made our jobs harder, but guess what? When it comes down to getting a raise, nobody cares. When the company isn’t doing so well, you’re still going to get laid off. From now on, I work the job I’m paid for, in the hours I’m assigned. However, I still give 100% every day because that’s me. I have to feel good about my contribution.
Meh, it depends honestly. I've been working at my company for a year, and my colleagues have complimented the amount of work I delivered. After thinking about it for a while and evaluating stuff like inflation and, well, the fact that I am currently living paycheck to paycheck, I asked my manager for a raise and argued why I thought I deserved it. Couple weeks later he called me back telling me my raise was out of budget for this year, but they could give it to me at the beginning of the next year (basically in 4 months, and yes I did get that in writing). So basically my raise was approved. Don't give up, there are good companies around
Load More Replies... When I worked retail, the office manager would often adjust people's time clocks so that they would get paid for what they had worked. Like, if someone was t allowed to work 10 hours in a day but they did to finish some project, she would take some of the hours from that day and add it to a short day. Which sounds like a way to avoid paying overtime, but it wasn't. Of course, she wasn't all hearts and flowers. This was the same manager who would change your schedule without telling you and then write you up for missing a shift. We got smart quick. Take a picture of your schedule on the computer the first day it's out.
Changing schedules w/o notification after it's posted is illegal as well.
Load More Replies... Idk why most employers are so fixated on the damn clock. The first thing my manager said right before hiring me was "If you work 4 hours and put in 6 into the system, as long as the work is done, I don't really care" (I'm salaried, so as long as I don't go over my hours my pay stays the same regardless). This is the kind of people you want to work with. Been here for over a year and the flexibility is amazing. A colleague is in a pinch and needs help with a project that's falling behind? Of course I'll offer to do some OT to help. Ironically (or maybe not), them not caring about employees being loyal has turned me into one!
I get it! "Company focused" means "you sell your life to us when you work here."
So... They're mad for being required to work the hours they're scheduled to be physically at the office? Can't even show up to work on time and expect they should let you leave early because you don't want to put a pin in 10 minutes worth of work and so you can get home 10 minutes early? Bet they still don't show up by 8:30. Here's an idea, get up 10 minutes earlier. Assuming they're only 5 minutes late each day, that's 75 minutes worth of work not done each week. Assuming a team of 5 are doing the same thing, thats 25 hours of work not getting done each month. Given it is an in-office entertainment job I have to assume the work has contracted deadlines. Assuming the deadline is 6 months, that's a little over 18 days worth of missed work (150 hours missed divided by 8 hour days). Adds up, right? This can lead to missed deadlines, or low quality work due to scrambling to make up the missed work toward the end.
My guy has never heard of the square root rule.
Load More Replies... I rode to work with my spouse who was habitually late. His position afforded him that ability, mine did not. However, both of us being workaholics, we were always staying late. One day my boss started complaining how I need to start being on time or else. I just said "if 9 is 9, then 5 is 5". He never complained again.
They trying to do us that way after 10 hours we are tird and ready to go. People are quiting because of it.
Works great for white collar salary employees, but almost every state is "at-will", you can be let go and the employer does not have to tell you why. If you work blue collar, hourly, retail, restaurant, hospitality......you are SOL.
Ha ha. Americans. Y'all are funny.
Load More Replies... Plus these bossmen get a commision for more work put out on less hours worked. I work for UPS and seeing it Yes we got a $2.75 "raise" with the new contract in August 2023. BUT OUR hours have been cut. 6 hours work in 4 hours. I am still taking home the same amount in pay I did 3 years ago even though pay has gone up...less hours, more new hires that usually quit in a week or so. Corporate America......the suit and tie MFer's. The dumb asses that dont even know how to put in a new light bulb Maybe have a maid to clean and wipe there a** That put US down for being to slow, or stupid, not abiding by THERE RULES! I can rant...listen to Rage Agaist The Machine, Zack sings about it beautifully
I had a job as the only guy who could do CNC programming for our primary production machine and would regularly stay after hours to make sure it was programmed for the next changeover. I once did a program/test run that took all of 10 hours after the end of my regular shift. I caught c**p the next day for not showing up for my scheduled shift at 08:00 when I had just punched out that morning at 04:00. Boss man didn't appreciate it when I turned around and demanded double time and a half for the previous 20 hours if he was going to cite me for showing up late. He got my message loud and clear after I threatened to quit and not train a replacement.
In Germany it is illegal for an employer to contact his employees after hours, during the weekend or when they are on vacation.
It's a numbers game to find that job that is a fit. This is why I'm glad I work remote. My first job for sold and my manager bailed. The new manager is completely clueless. I'm working an another remote job simultaneously. If the first one gets crazy I'll dump it and get another remote job. It's beautiful. I'll always have a job and I'll always be happy
Similar situation in my job years ago - plenty of people came in early because it was easier than struggling against heavy traffic half an hour later. However, when they asked to leave 10 mins early because the train left just at 5, and they couldn't make it to the station in less than 10 mins, they were told, any extra time you decide to give us is your choice, but you must remain till 5. Result? Resentful staff, who were lining up to leave at 4:59, and not prepared to do a minute more. Thankfully things eventually became a bit more relaxed.
British spelling of recognize? (Recognise) I thought this was about the current conditions of United States jobs. Also the quotes do all the talking, why am I here and not reading the source material instead? Make a point outside of the original reddit post y'all copied and pasted.
I never even read the article. Just the post. LoL
Load More Replies... I have the opposite, my boss tells me to stop working when I should be on vacation or at weekends. Rather have my boss than yours !
Great article ! I managed a shop for 40 yrs. struggled with this a LOT ! here's the rub, some managers just don't do well with "managing" there are many nuances here, a small percentage of employees are very hard to manage , constant time abusers, so companies initiate policies that should have some flexibility but oftentimes times "don't" because the more employees you have it can be real hard to manage, if you cut someone slack that is late constantly that makes the employee that makes a point to be on time fee like s**t and will push back on you in some way, the hard part is the late employee might be a rockstar in other ways ,this is where you need a good manager that can mentor this somehow to where others see your trying to fix this bonehead, if your being flexible it has to be equitable for everyone, I eventually had 110 employees ,the head office had execs that could be literally be Satan , employees under me didn't know what I was up against "productivity numbers" etc.
I understand living far from my job, but arriving late or leaving early would be a write up here in Texas. Unless you have a prearranged agreement with the company or that you have flex hours you are being paid your 830 to 500 shift and cheating the company of the time. You were hired for working hours 830 to 500 and you agreed to this. I worked a 8 to 5 job where I drove 30 mins to the train station and another hour by train. Driving in Dallas is a nightmare but I was hired 8-5 so I worked my 8 to 5 hitting bad traffic when I got off the train. I also understand not answer calls or emails after work hours or weekends. That's is your time. So unless they pay you for that time they can't really doing anything.. it's illegal to work for your job off the clock and not be paid
Wimpy people. I show up as requested and then I do things without being asked. I've worked for business for 10 years and had over 115 raises. Am I to b***h? Nope
I was in management, worked overtime and weekends, extended hours… I didn’t expect that from my team. We were exhausted; and all I got was being reprimanded for not working hard enough. I quit that toxic job. And my team followed me! I was never paid for the overtime and long hours. Was that legal? Do I have a case?
Leave 10 minutes early adds up. Maybe the boss will let you come in early to make up the time?
This article has made me so mad that I had to say something. The coming in late and leaving early bit is utterly absurd and childish! I had a manager that lived 2 hours away from the store I work at and he managed to arrive on time every day and leave when he was scheduled to! It is well wit in these people’s capabilities to show up on time! My other point is shame on the authors of this article to even give these crybabies a platform! I think the people mentioned in this article need to work retail. If you leave early and no one is in the store, then customers just start taking stuff! Are these crybabies so spoiled that they can’t find something to do for 10 minutes and have to shovel their work onto someone else? Also shame on these authors for glorifying insubordination! You don’t plot revenge on your manager unless your aim is to get fired! You go to your Human Resources department if you feel your manager is being unfair and you climb the chain of command! Just do your job!
They lived two hours from their workplace? What an idiot. They wasted four hours a day in transit, effectively reducing their hourly rate by about 50%, factor in fuel and vehicle wear and tear, and on top of that they left their family to fend for themselves for half the day. That's such terrible time and resource management. This is something that you actually think is laudable?
Load More Replies... Imagine! A boss who expects you to work the time you're getting paid for! What a jerk! But! ....... Here's a calculation almost no one ever bothers to do. If you slack for 10 minutes a day, every day - - - - unscheduled smoke break; come in late, leave early; stretch your lunch & breaks, etc. - - - - you give yourself an extra 1-week of paid vacation each year, taking it 10 minutes at a time! The math: 10 min. X 250 work days per year = 2500 ninutes. 40 hours of work (a typical work week) x 60 min = 2400 minutes! So, 10 minutes of not working the time you're paid-for each day = same as receiving an extra week's paid vacation each year! (Actually 41 hr 40 min of paid not-working!) You just take it 10 minutes at a time! C'mon, think about it! When you buy a gallon of gas or milk, you expect to get a full gallon, right? Not 126 of 128 oz? So why do you think that when your boss buys a "gallon" of your time, short-changing HIM is okay? 10 min/day = 1 wk extra paid vacation yearly!
So the employee steals 10 minutes a day. Which is roughly an hour a week. So if you make $90 hour, that's what you're stealing a week. Hopefully you can do the math for what that means over a year per person. This younger generation doesn't get it. It all about them. You're paid to work from 8-5 it's what you agreed to when you're hired so quit bitching and do your job.
You're getting paid to do a job, you thankless human. Get to work on time, which means in your seat, prior to start time; and don't leave until the shift is over. You will be fired otherwise.
My god y'all live in a f*****g dystopia. Shoo, boomer
Load More Replies... I can't believe how dumb that article was and how there are so many whining bitches Don't like your job quit and move on want a participation trophy too it's called life your generation is all soft as cotton
I'm sorry all I read was non committal, lazy and pissed about it. Work your hole damn shift. That's basic. I wouldn't want your there either.
I completely agree with you. It’s infuriating to see so many people agreeing with this article.
Load More Replies... I’ve wondered how these people who quiet quit pay their bills. Or do they have like 30 job offers pending. I’m a fan of two weeks notice, just because I want you to see how much I don’t care about you this job or you…( I said you twice because it’s always one you hope…..insert feelings here). Seeing how people in this generation act when told how to be at work confuses me it’s a job you get told what to do at work because they pay you to do it. I guess people are just richer then past generations and can not like this or that and bounce out like the light bill isn’t do. I was once told if you don’t like your boss or the job, start your own business, and be your own boss. If you do be prepared to have someone loathe you just as you loathed your old boss.
Quiet quitting is not really quitting is it? It is doing the job you are being paid for, but not going above and beyond for it. You work the hours you are being paid for. No more no less. Quiet quitting is not bending over backwards for a company or boss that doesn't value any extra work or hours you put in. It is quite healthy to quiet quit and maintain somewhat of a balance between work life and private life.
Load More Replies... I'm sorry all I just read was lazy, non committal and pissed about it. Work your hole damn shift. That's basic. I wouldn't want you there either.
This bare minimal s**t is infuriating. Tired of picking up other people's slack.
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