Woman Says These “Realistically Proportioned” Disney Princess Make Her Mad, And Here’s Why
The question “do Disney character designs portray realistic bodies?” is probably as old as the 95-year-old studio itself. It still is a very popular topic among up-and-coming illustrators on the internet as well. A ton has been said and drawn for and against the physiques of their cartoon characters, but recently one woman shared her own opinion about this Disney character matter and it quickly went viral, once again grabbing everyone’s attention.
Everything began after she saw Curvy Disney Pinups By Ashley Beevers. ” Do these people really think a mermaid who swims constantly would be fat?” she asked. Scroll down to read why the woman thinks Disney body proportions are fine the way they are and tells us in the comments if you agree!
Disney “body standards” has been a popular topic for a really long time now and this article was the last straw for one woman
After seeing it go viral she shared her thoughts on the subject matter, adding more fuel to the already burning-hot debate
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Most people agreed with her strong words
Others, however, had different opinions
What do you think?
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Share on FacebookWhile fat shaming is real and very valid, there is also skinny shaming. When young girls are told that "real" women have curves it's another (potentially dangerous) expectation. Real women have different body types. Animated women aren't real.
You said it, A Ghost! That's the real reason I think humans are dumb: they believe in looks that aren't real(not just movies, fashion models too).
Load More Replies...As a mother of three young adult children (who viewed Disney consistently as children) may I add that wondering if children are adversely effected by slim princesses are shortchanging youths' ability to discern. They truly understand, by the age of seven, that these cartoons are FICTION. The depictions are stylized and they know it. I even overheard a conversation between my daughters and a couple of their friends about which art animation they preferred- they were in primary school.
Children posses the imagination to consider a shoe box as a fully-fledged sports car. Unlike us adults they think in other categories than black and white.
So true, Hans. Some adults' views of the world are the only thing that could spoil Disney movies. I mean, do they think that children would instinctively look at things like being fat or not? Every culture's got different views(Ancient people for instance thought that "heavy-built" women are the best. Nowadays however, most fashion models promote a skeletal thinness) and parents are the ones to teach their children what is "good" and what is "bad". True, even some other species apart from humans tend to avoid those who are strikingly different(for instance, albino animals are rarely accepted as easily as other specimens from their kind) but we are people, we can reason that in nowadays society this is simply unacceptable.
Load More Replies...Why is there an issue about "realistic" anything when it comes to "fantasy" or "cartoon" subject matter? This is not "for real"...this is "make-believe".
Fiction doesn't live in a vacuum. It affects how people perceive the real world, especially when it's a very regular trend that matches real-life unattainable beauty standards. Representation is empowering, and the lack of it has a real and measurable effect, especially on children.
Load More Replies...A tiny waist and huge hips? No I don't think so, apart from the arms these Princesses look like the type of cosmetically enhanced girls you got in the hip hop mens magazines back when print media was still profitable. Some women really do think that women under a size 14 dress size are mythical beast that live with unicorns and fairies in Imaginationland.
In the real world, there are no 'normal' proportions. Everyone is different and that's ok.
The shown realistic proportions are far from being realistic. Nethier are Disney ones. Obesity isn't something that should be praised and golirfied, and I've said this on several occasions on BP. Same goes for super skinny.
less than few percent of all fat people are nicely proportioned and without jelly belly, so those are as far from reality as they could be. advertising obesity is as bad as advertising looking like stick
But Disney does do realistic images. Mickey Mouse looks exactly like a mouse and Goofy, whatever he is, looks jut like one of those. And Donald Duck's hands are just like a real ducks hands. How strange their people toons are unrealistic.
I think obesity is a current problem, however, most Disney princess type stories usually take place long, long ago... back when having extra weight was usually only attributed to those who were very rich and could afford to keep themselves adequately fed and be waited on by servants. The vast majority of people were probably quite thin though. Let's also take into account most of the princesses Disney portrays are based off of girls who were in their early teens, of which I'm sure 90% or more were very unlikely to have been overweight considering their ages and the time period. obesity is a problem that has been largely caused by the refined foods, additives and preservatives that are in our diets today, those which were non existent years ago. Not only that but we have become less and less active only recently as well. People didn't have to think about exercising before because their everyday lives would have been very active because of the lack of modern day luxuries we depend on.
Yeah that's all well and good if you want realistic. Why don't you all become classical animators and then tell me which you prefer to draw 25 frames per second, streamlined and stylised or more realistic where the proportions are so much more difficult to see and so much easier to get wrong? If you want to criticise how characters are designed you have to understand what you are asking of the animator and why they're designed that way. You also have to think of budget, because if you want more realism it is longer to animate. That's why we are selective with where we add more detail, or more weight.
This was fanart originally circulated saying "What Disney Princesses Would Look Like Today".This is WAY out of context.
There is nothing realistic about those proportions unless you were smooshed into a very tight corset. As long as a person is truly healthy and fit is what matters. You may be a little chunky or super lean, but if you are heart healthy, not out of breath all the time, and feel good, that is what counts.
I know the artist and all she was doing was drawing curvy princesses. People need to chill out, she was just making some art and people turned it into a nightmare for her. If you don't like these, draw your own! Seriously, there's no need to attack an artist like this; that's a real person you're attacking. Also, "Do these people really think a mermaid who swims constantly would be fat?" Dugongs/matinees are, seals are, etc, so why not mermaids?
Thank you. Most of these comments are so stupid and vain. There are all sorts of fan fiction art out there from gender bends, to making characters fashion different, historically accurate, all sorts and I love the pin up, curvy, tattooed edition!! If you don't find your own art and let this artist and her fans alone!!! Bunch of friggin trolls
Load More Replies...Yeah right like my waist would be that thin if my hips were that thick. I completely agree with this woman and im not even skinny.
I expected a lot more angry feminists screaming BIGOT in the comments. Being fat isn't healthy, neither is being too skinny. Fat people shouldn'tget special priveleges for being fat. And they do now. It's sickening. Have fun with your diabetes, premature death, heart failure, kidney disease, arthritis etc.
Why is "realistic" always chubby with a narrow waist?? Wheres the women with muscles? The no boobs wide hipped ones? The chubby with small boobs? Not a narrow waist? It is truly tiring, and fashiontrends of course jumps onto this bandwagon to sell to another extremely specific bodytype...When will my turn come? The no boob wide hipped bodies, I kinda want clothes that fits too...
no curvy girl I know has a small waist. Rarely they maintain an almost proportionate weight gain, but not usually. this example isn't even proportional.
Never thought about it this way, but I agree. I have reasonable curves with a normal body weight, but I don't have a figure like anybody else I know. We are all different. Perhaps we should consider the OTHER things about these characters that are not so real, and not just focus on their shapes! What they DO get right at Disney sometimes is that female characters show great qualities like initiative, strength, resolve, compassion, and the ability to meet challenges with grace. If that is what we teach our young girls to take notice of, the faces and forms won't be so important.
I don't understand this whole "everybody is beautiful" trend anyway. Obviously not everybody is pretty, that's just a fact. What I think we should be doing instead is just teaching people to not judge by looks alone and not treat ugly people badly. I will never think of myself as beautiful, but you know what, it isn't a problem at all when people just treat me normally. People hardly care about their looks just because, they care because it affects their lives in every way. If it didn't matter so much to everybody else, nobody would mind being a little ugly. We only want to be pretty because pretty people are treated better.
I'm supposed to be a real woman and I don't have those wacky proportions either. Skinny is normal, chubby is normal, but anorexic and fat (extremes, self inflicted, not due to illneses) I think should be avoided to be portrayed as "models". Being fat (and encouraging people to stop taking care of their bodies) is as risky and unhealthy as being too skinny. Eating bad and too much is the other side of the coin for the other stigmatized illnesses such as anorexia and bulimia.
Some people are, yes, genetically proportioned like that. The "curvy" look or whatever you want to call it. For people with this body type, it is healthy to be "fat". I say "fat" because your definition of fat and my definition of fat are very different because we have genetic differences, metabolic differences, diet differences, societal differences, different body types, etc. This is a really silly thing to get worked up about.
People aren't worked up because this body type doesn't exist, it's because they're using one generalization as if it's better than the other just to promote the body type they think is "right". Having every character be fat is no better for people's self image as having everybody be skinny. If that's what you're really going for, there has to be variation.
Load More Replies..."A mermaid who swims all day wouldn't be fat" So then surely, a human who walks every day wouldn't be fat. (yeah yeah, I know not everyone gets out of bed every day, but sometimes mermaids don't either- after all, they're humans with tails and gills)
"So then surely, a human who walks every day wouldn't be fat." Well yeah, but no one walks all day, most people go to the work and stay there for 8 or more hours.
Load More Replies...Lol, "realistic proportions" then why are they all shaped the same???
I also REALLY agree that a "realistic proportion" is not always as curvy. It depends on which woman you're emulating. Thinner ("Ruler/stick") girls do get a lot of hate. So do curvy ("hourglass") girls. Plus sized women also get a lot of hate. We've ALL gotten a lot of hate, but why obsess? It's not healthy to obsess, and that's not a habit we want to pass on to our kids, male or female. Now, I do think this art is beautiful, but also poorly titled for what was drawn. It would be more realistic if she added variety.
When I was skinny I've been called a twig and siskin (small bird). I've been called much, much worse things when I was fat. The bullying and shaming that come along with being bigger are incomparably worse. Both suck, but people are horrible and can't help but spew b******t at everything.
The original post, responses to her post and quite frankly, the comments here are offensive and lame. What is disturbing is that anyone would first, have the audacity to negatively comment and second, not be able to realize the ignorance, intolerance, and misogyny in making such comments. If you don't like the realistic (it is 2018), positive, support of women exhibited by Ashley Beevers' artistic license- then don't look, don't engage, and don't let your daughters see it. Nobody is forcing you to me a decent human being. However, these comments, if read by any child (and children will read them) will inevitably feed more intolerance - we know better, children do not. That is your job as parent, to set a GOOD example. Your comments are the opposite of this. GROW UP!
First off, would a mermaid be fat? YES. Have you seen whales, dolphins, seals etc. fat does not mean out of shape so someone who swims all day can be fat. I think this comment alone really highlights fat phobia and bias. Secondly - I agree that these are not any more "realistic" bodies than thin ones. People aren't just skinny with perky boobs or curvy with big boobs. This is not an either or. Show a range of bodies!
Actually, if you are happy with the way you are, and are prepared to accept the health consequence, then carry on being skinny / fat / skeleton / morbidly obese. Whatever makes you happy. Just stop with the attempts to convince the world that your body type is right. Live your life, let others live theirs. Why do you care so much what others think to the point that you have to create cartoons making cartoon characters caricatures of themselves. Changing your mindset is easier and less grotesque than making grotesque caricatures in an attempt to convince others.
In case your talking to me I haven't read any comments thanks
Load More Replies...Look - those who have never battled their weight or been larger than the 'normal' size will not get it. They'll always see anyone they perceive as fat as lazy and unhealthy. I know 'overweight' people in far better health than those who are skinny. And I'm sorry that you felt outcast by being skinny. But the fact remains you are always more accepted in this culture than those who aren't. That being said - I think we need to recognize the beauty of those who are naturally very thin and those who aren't. Yes, there are lots of people who will never be thin despite their diet. At my target weight (as per my doctor) I have curves. Hips, thighs, boobs. So even at my target weight, my healthy weight, I'm called fat by people like you. So pardon me if I don't play a sad tune when you b***h about being thin. You still are loved, accepted, celebrated even. The point is....WOMEN ARE BEAUTIFUL. Chubby, fat, bone skinny, mid-way skinny, hips or no hips. We are all very beautiful and want to be seen for the beautiful people we are.
They're expecting realism in a Disney cartoon? There was talking crab in The Little Mermaid.
Every day the list of things I'm supposed to be morally outraged about gets longer and longer. This doesn't make the cut because frankly by dears, I don't give a damn. Either way. If you absolutely, positively need something to be offended about check out the news. Indignity guaranteed.
I always thought the Disney princess were pretty realistic... (And I say that as a "fat" girl)
Honestly, sometimes it makes sense. However, considering the time periods and settings, none of them should be getting enough food to sustain such a form. And my guess is that a lot of them would be wearing corsets, so that's a thing.
These characters live in worlds without the usual female pastimes of sitting around on their asses for hours texting, social media foolishness, and stuffing their faces with junk food like McDonalds and Pizza Hut. Sure, the builds are exaggeratedly small, but even if they were realistic, they still wouldn't be the chubby girls portrayed by outraged feminists. There is no fast/junk food in those cartoon universes. They eat HEALTHY, unprocessed food, no hfcs, and no bingeing on sweets just because they feel blue. Try it for a couple years, combined with moderate exercise, girls. These characters would STILL be in much better shape than the women causing a stink about this due to heaving a better diet and more active lifestyles than the average american woman. And therein lies the problem: if these women took responsibility for their physical health and fitness, they wouldn't be so angry over FICTION. That shows they have WAY too much time on their hands.
I personally am skinny. I have been my whole life. I'll admit I saw a bit of myself in disney princesses. I often felt weird, or like the odd-one-out due my near-skeletal appearance. Despite this, I never saw myself to be like the princesses because of their waistline. I saw myself in the characters, the story, their interests, (ect.). All these people complaining that the princesses aren't 'realistic enough proportions just makes me think that 1, you don't know how stylization works, 2, it's a fantasy world, why question it? And 3, Their appearance isn't what matters. The story, theme, and morals do. And yeah, people constantly saying that having a tiny waist, and being skinny does make me very self-conscious. I am skinny due to having a high metabolism. There's nothing a can do about my size, and honestly I'm happy with what I look like for the most part. So please, stop body shaming. Whether you're skinny, curvy, round, a stick, whatever! Just don't make fun of other people.
I'm a COMPLETE advocate for body positivity, but this is RIDICULOUS. There are extremes both ways!
My friends and I grew up with Disney movies and Barbie dolls. Only one of my friends had body image issues later in life and would you like to guess why? Not because she played with Barbie and not because she watched Disney movies. It was because she had an adult figure in her life who made her feel she wasn't thin or pretty enough. It seems to me that people who try to pin the fault for our insecurities on toys and cartoons, should first look to themselves. How are you influencing your daughters and sons?
Wait WTF ANYONE WHO PASSES RGIS JUST READ THIS THESE PRINCESSES AREN'T FAT THEY HAVE A MASSIVE A*S HUGE BOOBS BUY A TINY WAIST HOW IS IT ANYWHERE NEAR REALISTIC
aIGHT I HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY. even though i'm late to the conversation. 1. I agree with this woman 100%, i'll clear that up 2. FAT ACCEPTANCE AND BODY POSITIVITY ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. Fat acceptance is b******t, it says that if you're fat even if you're unhealthy it's okay, making people feel like even if they're unhealthy they're fine, they're not. BODY POSITIVITY is about accepting your NATURAL body shape and loving yourself as you are, healthy and happy. but natural takes many forms. fat girls can be healthy. fat can be natural. and vis versa. skinny girls can be healthy. skinny girls can be natural. it could work with unhealthiness. fat if you're obese is unhealthy. if you are naturally big and you are healthy it's fine. skinny if youre anorexic is unhealthy. if you are naturally skinny and you are healthy, you're fine. Not all fat people are obese and unhealthy and i'm sick of people in the comments saying that. (part 1, yes ive got more haha sorry)
oh and this was kinda taken out of context. the original article that was linked said "curvy disney pinups" not "realistic body standards". ???
Load More Replies...Many women who tend to have busts and hips that size also often have a thicker middle, to a degree I can see how this would upset plus sized women because "Ariel" has big boobs and hips but "I" don't have a tiny waist... That being said there are IN FACT women with big busts and big hips but small waists, however it is rare. :) A common place I would see that silhouette more often would be in history books during corseting; a woman would have voluptuous curves but a small waist due to tight-lacing. IF that is what the artist meant, then in some of these cases, (not all, corseting was not a thing "everywhere") she is historically accurate. Noble women were supposed to be heavier, and also use corsets. Of course we don't see much of that around today.
Dress sizes are based on a waist 10 inches smaller than the bust and hips two inches bigger than the bust. Not necessarily real life, but that's how they run. So a 36 bust measurement would be a 26 inch waist and a 38 inch hip. Which is a Size 12 in sewing patterns. (Patterns tend to be more reliable in sizing than manufacturers sizing.)
There's certainly an argument for those not being realistic proportions, and that skinny people also are picked on. However, when it goes into fat-shaming then it's a bit much.
omg, when I saw the image without reading the post, I thought "that's not realistic ither, not every women is big"
I hear a lot about people not liking the princesses because "there is no way their bodies could be shaped like that" and we all know that if you had a barbie-doll figure in real life, you'd be super unhealthy. But what I think people are missing is the idea of caricature. Whether skinny or fat, pretty or ugly, however these characters were drawn or animated was meant to be an exaggeration. Obviously not real, but drawing on realistic elements and just taking them to unbelievable proportions to get a story across. It's been a common element of art from Ancient Egyptians to Mannerism. When I was a little girl, I never looked at the princesses as role models for how I should look, because they didn't look real- they were cartoons. But I did look at them for role models on how to be kind and be good to other people.
i have trouble with people jumping all over an artists--even disney's--creations with "how dare you draw them that way! this is better! TAKE MY RENDITION AS BETTER!" thing is... they're Cartoons. it's ART. ART includes styles. Disney has a body-style they use for females, males, alt females, alt males, and animals. Hayao Miyazaki's Studio Ghibli does the same thing: they draw all their characters EXTREMELY similarly; why? 1. Because it's instantly recognizable as the brand 2. That's... that's how they draw If we need to attack brands for their art styles, we should be going after the author of Full Metal Alchemist, everyone who draws Stick Figures, original X-Men, Batman and Superman Western Animation.. maybe the Muppets? most of those have body images all over the place--with Western animation so guilty of unrealistic body types for men and women. have fun drawing characters in every way, but dont claim it's to bring "realism" to a stylized piece of art
Fat shaming is real and we shouldn't make fun of people for being overweight Recognize that being obese is unhealthy but don't insult overweight people And these are not realistic proportions in any way, shape, or form.
My girls do not have expectations, they're beautiful inside and out. My smallest daughter who is also my oldest pointed out to me once that calling her skinny is as rude as her calling me fat. We do not use such terms in our home anymore.
Uhm there are plenty of fat swimmers. So that theory is blown right out of the damn water, just saying. That said, these are idealized images the same way the current Disney princesses are. I think they're gorgeous and personally MUCH prefer them but they still create unrealistic ideals/standards. So it's really not any better.
Next thing you know, the dolls will be removed from the shelves all together due to someone being offended...smh. This is a ridiculous article.
We're talking about damn cartoons here, people! Realistic proportions? Why not complain about every other aspect of cartoons that is not realistic? If you want real, get a life!
I'm skinny, (LIKE EXTREMELY SKINNY), and think this is b******t. You can't say that it's unfair that Disney chose petite body's for princesses THEY'RE EFFING ANIMATED PRINCESS And some on there Disney characters as stated in the article are fat SO QUIT EFFING FIGHTING AND LOVE YOUT BODY
BW are on the rise due to poor dietary choices and sedentary lifestyles (get off facebook and Twitter and put down the Mcdonald's. Eat some damn fruits and vegetables, lay off the sugar-filled smoothies. SPRINT, not jog). Cartoon characters generally live more active lives than the viewers, and their bodies should reflect that.
Load More Replies...Look at photos of Americans 100 years ago. People were slim. The circus fat man and fat woman would be about average size now. This cannot be healthy.
That's because McDonalds, Burger King, etc. were not there and we did not have "convenience" machines to do our labor about the house and work areas. Yes, there were larger and smaller people but the percentage of the population that was obese was very much smaller than it is today. And let's face the fact, obesity is truly damaging to one's health. Lack of physical exercise and overeating is the cause. As one gets older, the body's metabolism slows down so yeah, you can not eat like you did when you were 18 years old. Do I eat less? Yes. Do I exercise more. Yes. Funny that the obese family members joke that I need more "meat" on my bones, I think they mean fat. I am fit and muscular whereas they have gained so much weight they can't see their toes. I don't say anything to them, but I hear the "you're too skinny " too many damn times. I do not want to look like them at all, keep your meat, I will outlive you.
Load More Replies...Anyone who thinks that a Manatee might have realistic proportions has never been at sea for a few months without a woman in a hundred miles. An Abrasive, 300 pound welders helper with a bad complexion might as well be the bell of the ball under those conditions.
Well it's easier to blame someone else over sociale media if you are jealous of something then it is to change yourself or just stop being jealous. The latter actually takes effort. The first just a primitive emotional feeling of jealousy a keyboard, internet and 2 min time while sitting on a comfy couch.
I think the concept of "princesses" is much more damaging that some unrealistic cartoon body image.
Obesity is a serious issue, associated with numerous health risks. Stating that it's a "realistic" body type to attempt to validate yourself if you're overweight is just damaging to others who feel their body is "unrealistic". These aren't even realistic body types anyways, almost no one has proportions like that. Good article
Remember when the “body acceptance movement” was for burn victims, people with vitiligo etc. and NOT obesity?
Here's the key Ladies : just keep some damn semblance of a WAIST .... yes, a WAIST that is appreciably slimmer than your tits and your hips. The WAIST !! ...... soooooo important regardless of size. Signed - Every Straight Man In The World
i agree. those are not realistic realistic proportions. but young teenagers who see this might think "oh, this is how society wants me to look" and actually get obese. and then there is of course the other side of of people doing the same thing and becoming anorexic
Amen!! why can't people get over them selves and leave cartoons alone! They're freaking Cartoons and if your putting yourself worth on them then you have more problems than just weight you need to worry about. Let fantasy be fantasy and reality be reality, There's A Difference.
Yes, they are nice drawings, but they don't accurately represent real people any more than the original designs of the princesses.
Load More Replies..."Do people really think amermaid who swims constantly would be fat?" Well, all sea mammals have thickened fat layer. :)) But whatever. barbie-and...he-man.jpg
While fat shaming is real and very valid, there is also skinny shaming. When young girls are told that "real" women have curves it's another (potentially dangerous) expectation. Real women have different body types. Animated women aren't real.
You said it, A Ghost! That's the real reason I think humans are dumb: they believe in looks that aren't real(not just movies, fashion models too).
Load More Replies...As a mother of three young adult children (who viewed Disney consistently as children) may I add that wondering if children are adversely effected by slim princesses are shortchanging youths' ability to discern. They truly understand, by the age of seven, that these cartoons are FICTION. The depictions are stylized and they know it. I even overheard a conversation between my daughters and a couple of their friends about which art animation they preferred- they were in primary school.
Children posses the imagination to consider a shoe box as a fully-fledged sports car. Unlike us adults they think in other categories than black and white.
So true, Hans. Some adults' views of the world are the only thing that could spoil Disney movies. I mean, do they think that children would instinctively look at things like being fat or not? Every culture's got different views(Ancient people for instance thought that "heavy-built" women are the best. Nowadays however, most fashion models promote a skeletal thinness) and parents are the ones to teach their children what is "good" and what is "bad". True, even some other species apart from humans tend to avoid those who are strikingly different(for instance, albino animals are rarely accepted as easily as other specimens from their kind) but we are people, we can reason that in nowadays society this is simply unacceptable.
Load More Replies...Why is there an issue about "realistic" anything when it comes to "fantasy" or "cartoon" subject matter? This is not "for real"...this is "make-believe".
Fiction doesn't live in a vacuum. It affects how people perceive the real world, especially when it's a very regular trend that matches real-life unattainable beauty standards. Representation is empowering, and the lack of it has a real and measurable effect, especially on children.
Load More Replies...A tiny waist and huge hips? No I don't think so, apart from the arms these Princesses look like the type of cosmetically enhanced girls you got in the hip hop mens magazines back when print media was still profitable. Some women really do think that women under a size 14 dress size are mythical beast that live with unicorns and fairies in Imaginationland.
In the real world, there are no 'normal' proportions. Everyone is different and that's ok.
The shown realistic proportions are far from being realistic. Nethier are Disney ones. Obesity isn't something that should be praised and golirfied, and I've said this on several occasions on BP. Same goes for super skinny.
less than few percent of all fat people are nicely proportioned and without jelly belly, so those are as far from reality as they could be. advertising obesity is as bad as advertising looking like stick
But Disney does do realistic images. Mickey Mouse looks exactly like a mouse and Goofy, whatever he is, looks jut like one of those. And Donald Duck's hands are just like a real ducks hands. How strange their people toons are unrealistic.
I think obesity is a current problem, however, most Disney princess type stories usually take place long, long ago... back when having extra weight was usually only attributed to those who were very rich and could afford to keep themselves adequately fed and be waited on by servants. The vast majority of people were probably quite thin though. Let's also take into account most of the princesses Disney portrays are based off of girls who were in their early teens, of which I'm sure 90% or more were very unlikely to have been overweight considering their ages and the time period. obesity is a problem that has been largely caused by the refined foods, additives and preservatives that are in our diets today, those which were non existent years ago. Not only that but we have become less and less active only recently as well. People didn't have to think about exercising before because their everyday lives would have been very active because of the lack of modern day luxuries we depend on.
Yeah that's all well and good if you want realistic. Why don't you all become classical animators and then tell me which you prefer to draw 25 frames per second, streamlined and stylised or more realistic where the proportions are so much more difficult to see and so much easier to get wrong? If you want to criticise how characters are designed you have to understand what you are asking of the animator and why they're designed that way. You also have to think of budget, because if you want more realism it is longer to animate. That's why we are selective with where we add more detail, or more weight.
This was fanart originally circulated saying "What Disney Princesses Would Look Like Today".This is WAY out of context.
There is nothing realistic about those proportions unless you were smooshed into a very tight corset. As long as a person is truly healthy and fit is what matters. You may be a little chunky or super lean, but if you are heart healthy, not out of breath all the time, and feel good, that is what counts.
I know the artist and all she was doing was drawing curvy princesses. People need to chill out, she was just making some art and people turned it into a nightmare for her. If you don't like these, draw your own! Seriously, there's no need to attack an artist like this; that's a real person you're attacking. Also, "Do these people really think a mermaid who swims constantly would be fat?" Dugongs/matinees are, seals are, etc, so why not mermaids?
Thank you. Most of these comments are so stupid and vain. There are all sorts of fan fiction art out there from gender bends, to making characters fashion different, historically accurate, all sorts and I love the pin up, curvy, tattooed edition!! If you don't find your own art and let this artist and her fans alone!!! Bunch of friggin trolls
Load More Replies...Yeah right like my waist would be that thin if my hips were that thick. I completely agree with this woman and im not even skinny.
I expected a lot more angry feminists screaming BIGOT in the comments. Being fat isn't healthy, neither is being too skinny. Fat people shouldn'tget special priveleges for being fat. And they do now. It's sickening. Have fun with your diabetes, premature death, heart failure, kidney disease, arthritis etc.
Why is "realistic" always chubby with a narrow waist?? Wheres the women with muscles? The no boobs wide hipped ones? The chubby with small boobs? Not a narrow waist? It is truly tiring, and fashiontrends of course jumps onto this bandwagon to sell to another extremely specific bodytype...When will my turn come? The no boob wide hipped bodies, I kinda want clothes that fits too...
no curvy girl I know has a small waist. Rarely they maintain an almost proportionate weight gain, but not usually. this example isn't even proportional.
Never thought about it this way, but I agree. I have reasonable curves with a normal body weight, but I don't have a figure like anybody else I know. We are all different. Perhaps we should consider the OTHER things about these characters that are not so real, and not just focus on their shapes! What they DO get right at Disney sometimes is that female characters show great qualities like initiative, strength, resolve, compassion, and the ability to meet challenges with grace. If that is what we teach our young girls to take notice of, the faces and forms won't be so important.
I don't understand this whole "everybody is beautiful" trend anyway. Obviously not everybody is pretty, that's just a fact. What I think we should be doing instead is just teaching people to not judge by looks alone and not treat ugly people badly. I will never think of myself as beautiful, but you know what, it isn't a problem at all when people just treat me normally. People hardly care about their looks just because, they care because it affects their lives in every way. If it didn't matter so much to everybody else, nobody would mind being a little ugly. We only want to be pretty because pretty people are treated better.
I'm supposed to be a real woman and I don't have those wacky proportions either. Skinny is normal, chubby is normal, but anorexic and fat (extremes, self inflicted, not due to illneses) I think should be avoided to be portrayed as "models". Being fat (and encouraging people to stop taking care of their bodies) is as risky and unhealthy as being too skinny. Eating bad and too much is the other side of the coin for the other stigmatized illnesses such as anorexia and bulimia.
Some people are, yes, genetically proportioned like that. The "curvy" look or whatever you want to call it. For people with this body type, it is healthy to be "fat". I say "fat" because your definition of fat and my definition of fat are very different because we have genetic differences, metabolic differences, diet differences, societal differences, different body types, etc. This is a really silly thing to get worked up about.
People aren't worked up because this body type doesn't exist, it's because they're using one generalization as if it's better than the other just to promote the body type they think is "right". Having every character be fat is no better for people's self image as having everybody be skinny. If that's what you're really going for, there has to be variation.
Load More Replies..."A mermaid who swims all day wouldn't be fat" So then surely, a human who walks every day wouldn't be fat. (yeah yeah, I know not everyone gets out of bed every day, but sometimes mermaids don't either- after all, they're humans with tails and gills)
"So then surely, a human who walks every day wouldn't be fat." Well yeah, but no one walks all day, most people go to the work and stay there for 8 or more hours.
Load More Replies...Lol, "realistic proportions" then why are they all shaped the same???
I also REALLY agree that a "realistic proportion" is not always as curvy. It depends on which woman you're emulating. Thinner ("Ruler/stick") girls do get a lot of hate. So do curvy ("hourglass") girls. Plus sized women also get a lot of hate. We've ALL gotten a lot of hate, but why obsess? It's not healthy to obsess, and that's not a habit we want to pass on to our kids, male or female. Now, I do think this art is beautiful, but also poorly titled for what was drawn. It would be more realistic if she added variety.
When I was skinny I've been called a twig and siskin (small bird). I've been called much, much worse things when I was fat. The bullying and shaming that come along with being bigger are incomparably worse. Both suck, but people are horrible and can't help but spew b******t at everything.
The original post, responses to her post and quite frankly, the comments here are offensive and lame. What is disturbing is that anyone would first, have the audacity to negatively comment and second, not be able to realize the ignorance, intolerance, and misogyny in making such comments. If you don't like the realistic (it is 2018), positive, support of women exhibited by Ashley Beevers' artistic license- then don't look, don't engage, and don't let your daughters see it. Nobody is forcing you to me a decent human being. However, these comments, if read by any child (and children will read them) will inevitably feed more intolerance - we know better, children do not. That is your job as parent, to set a GOOD example. Your comments are the opposite of this. GROW UP!
First off, would a mermaid be fat? YES. Have you seen whales, dolphins, seals etc. fat does not mean out of shape so someone who swims all day can be fat. I think this comment alone really highlights fat phobia and bias. Secondly - I agree that these are not any more "realistic" bodies than thin ones. People aren't just skinny with perky boobs or curvy with big boobs. This is not an either or. Show a range of bodies!
Actually, if you are happy with the way you are, and are prepared to accept the health consequence, then carry on being skinny / fat / skeleton / morbidly obese. Whatever makes you happy. Just stop with the attempts to convince the world that your body type is right. Live your life, let others live theirs. Why do you care so much what others think to the point that you have to create cartoons making cartoon characters caricatures of themselves. Changing your mindset is easier and less grotesque than making grotesque caricatures in an attempt to convince others.
In case your talking to me I haven't read any comments thanks
Load More Replies...Look - those who have never battled their weight or been larger than the 'normal' size will not get it. They'll always see anyone they perceive as fat as lazy and unhealthy. I know 'overweight' people in far better health than those who are skinny. And I'm sorry that you felt outcast by being skinny. But the fact remains you are always more accepted in this culture than those who aren't. That being said - I think we need to recognize the beauty of those who are naturally very thin and those who aren't. Yes, there are lots of people who will never be thin despite their diet. At my target weight (as per my doctor) I have curves. Hips, thighs, boobs. So even at my target weight, my healthy weight, I'm called fat by people like you. So pardon me if I don't play a sad tune when you b***h about being thin. You still are loved, accepted, celebrated even. The point is....WOMEN ARE BEAUTIFUL. Chubby, fat, bone skinny, mid-way skinny, hips or no hips. We are all very beautiful and want to be seen for the beautiful people we are.
They're expecting realism in a Disney cartoon? There was talking crab in The Little Mermaid.
Every day the list of things I'm supposed to be morally outraged about gets longer and longer. This doesn't make the cut because frankly by dears, I don't give a damn. Either way. If you absolutely, positively need something to be offended about check out the news. Indignity guaranteed.
I always thought the Disney princess were pretty realistic... (And I say that as a "fat" girl)
Honestly, sometimes it makes sense. However, considering the time periods and settings, none of them should be getting enough food to sustain such a form. And my guess is that a lot of them would be wearing corsets, so that's a thing.
These characters live in worlds without the usual female pastimes of sitting around on their asses for hours texting, social media foolishness, and stuffing their faces with junk food like McDonalds and Pizza Hut. Sure, the builds are exaggeratedly small, but even if they were realistic, they still wouldn't be the chubby girls portrayed by outraged feminists. There is no fast/junk food in those cartoon universes. They eat HEALTHY, unprocessed food, no hfcs, and no bingeing on sweets just because they feel blue. Try it for a couple years, combined with moderate exercise, girls. These characters would STILL be in much better shape than the women causing a stink about this due to heaving a better diet and more active lifestyles than the average american woman. And therein lies the problem: if these women took responsibility for their physical health and fitness, they wouldn't be so angry over FICTION. That shows they have WAY too much time on their hands.
I personally am skinny. I have been my whole life. I'll admit I saw a bit of myself in disney princesses. I often felt weird, or like the odd-one-out due my near-skeletal appearance. Despite this, I never saw myself to be like the princesses because of their waistline. I saw myself in the characters, the story, their interests, (ect.). All these people complaining that the princesses aren't 'realistic enough proportions just makes me think that 1, you don't know how stylization works, 2, it's a fantasy world, why question it? And 3, Their appearance isn't what matters. The story, theme, and morals do. And yeah, people constantly saying that having a tiny waist, and being skinny does make me very self-conscious. I am skinny due to having a high metabolism. There's nothing a can do about my size, and honestly I'm happy with what I look like for the most part. So please, stop body shaming. Whether you're skinny, curvy, round, a stick, whatever! Just don't make fun of other people.
I'm a COMPLETE advocate for body positivity, but this is RIDICULOUS. There are extremes both ways!
My friends and I grew up with Disney movies and Barbie dolls. Only one of my friends had body image issues later in life and would you like to guess why? Not because she played with Barbie and not because she watched Disney movies. It was because she had an adult figure in her life who made her feel she wasn't thin or pretty enough. It seems to me that people who try to pin the fault for our insecurities on toys and cartoons, should first look to themselves. How are you influencing your daughters and sons?
Wait WTF ANYONE WHO PASSES RGIS JUST READ THIS THESE PRINCESSES AREN'T FAT THEY HAVE A MASSIVE A*S HUGE BOOBS BUY A TINY WAIST HOW IS IT ANYWHERE NEAR REALISTIC
aIGHT I HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY. even though i'm late to the conversation. 1. I agree with this woman 100%, i'll clear that up 2. FAT ACCEPTANCE AND BODY POSITIVITY ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. Fat acceptance is b******t, it says that if you're fat even if you're unhealthy it's okay, making people feel like even if they're unhealthy they're fine, they're not. BODY POSITIVITY is about accepting your NATURAL body shape and loving yourself as you are, healthy and happy. but natural takes many forms. fat girls can be healthy. fat can be natural. and vis versa. skinny girls can be healthy. skinny girls can be natural. it could work with unhealthiness. fat if you're obese is unhealthy. if you are naturally big and you are healthy it's fine. skinny if youre anorexic is unhealthy. if you are naturally skinny and you are healthy, you're fine. Not all fat people are obese and unhealthy and i'm sick of people in the comments saying that. (part 1, yes ive got more haha sorry)
oh and this was kinda taken out of context. the original article that was linked said "curvy disney pinups" not "realistic body standards". ???
Load More Replies...Many women who tend to have busts and hips that size also often have a thicker middle, to a degree I can see how this would upset plus sized women because "Ariel" has big boobs and hips but "I" don't have a tiny waist... That being said there are IN FACT women with big busts and big hips but small waists, however it is rare. :) A common place I would see that silhouette more often would be in history books during corseting; a woman would have voluptuous curves but a small waist due to tight-lacing. IF that is what the artist meant, then in some of these cases, (not all, corseting was not a thing "everywhere") she is historically accurate. Noble women were supposed to be heavier, and also use corsets. Of course we don't see much of that around today.
Dress sizes are based on a waist 10 inches smaller than the bust and hips two inches bigger than the bust. Not necessarily real life, but that's how they run. So a 36 bust measurement would be a 26 inch waist and a 38 inch hip. Which is a Size 12 in sewing patterns. (Patterns tend to be more reliable in sizing than manufacturers sizing.)
There's certainly an argument for those not being realistic proportions, and that skinny people also are picked on. However, when it goes into fat-shaming then it's a bit much.
omg, when I saw the image without reading the post, I thought "that's not realistic ither, not every women is big"
I hear a lot about people not liking the princesses because "there is no way their bodies could be shaped like that" and we all know that if you had a barbie-doll figure in real life, you'd be super unhealthy. But what I think people are missing is the idea of caricature. Whether skinny or fat, pretty or ugly, however these characters were drawn or animated was meant to be an exaggeration. Obviously not real, but drawing on realistic elements and just taking them to unbelievable proportions to get a story across. It's been a common element of art from Ancient Egyptians to Mannerism. When I was a little girl, I never looked at the princesses as role models for how I should look, because they didn't look real- they were cartoons. But I did look at them for role models on how to be kind and be good to other people.
i have trouble with people jumping all over an artists--even disney's--creations with "how dare you draw them that way! this is better! TAKE MY RENDITION AS BETTER!" thing is... they're Cartoons. it's ART. ART includes styles. Disney has a body-style they use for females, males, alt females, alt males, and animals. Hayao Miyazaki's Studio Ghibli does the same thing: they draw all their characters EXTREMELY similarly; why? 1. Because it's instantly recognizable as the brand 2. That's... that's how they draw If we need to attack brands for their art styles, we should be going after the author of Full Metal Alchemist, everyone who draws Stick Figures, original X-Men, Batman and Superman Western Animation.. maybe the Muppets? most of those have body images all over the place--with Western animation so guilty of unrealistic body types for men and women. have fun drawing characters in every way, but dont claim it's to bring "realism" to a stylized piece of art
Fat shaming is real and we shouldn't make fun of people for being overweight Recognize that being obese is unhealthy but don't insult overweight people And these are not realistic proportions in any way, shape, or form.
My girls do not have expectations, they're beautiful inside and out. My smallest daughter who is also my oldest pointed out to me once that calling her skinny is as rude as her calling me fat. We do not use such terms in our home anymore.
Uhm there are plenty of fat swimmers. So that theory is blown right out of the damn water, just saying. That said, these are idealized images the same way the current Disney princesses are. I think they're gorgeous and personally MUCH prefer them but they still create unrealistic ideals/standards. So it's really not any better.
Next thing you know, the dolls will be removed from the shelves all together due to someone being offended...smh. This is a ridiculous article.
We're talking about damn cartoons here, people! Realistic proportions? Why not complain about every other aspect of cartoons that is not realistic? If you want real, get a life!
I'm skinny, (LIKE EXTREMELY SKINNY), and think this is b******t. You can't say that it's unfair that Disney chose petite body's for princesses THEY'RE EFFING ANIMATED PRINCESS And some on there Disney characters as stated in the article are fat SO QUIT EFFING FIGHTING AND LOVE YOUT BODY
BW are on the rise due to poor dietary choices and sedentary lifestyles (get off facebook and Twitter and put down the Mcdonald's. Eat some damn fruits and vegetables, lay off the sugar-filled smoothies. SPRINT, not jog). Cartoon characters generally live more active lives than the viewers, and their bodies should reflect that.
Load More Replies...Look at photos of Americans 100 years ago. People were slim. The circus fat man and fat woman would be about average size now. This cannot be healthy.
That's because McDonalds, Burger King, etc. were not there and we did not have "convenience" machines to do our labor about the house and work areas. Yes, there were larger and smaller people but the percentage of the population that was obese was very much smaller than it is today. And let's face the fact, obesity is truly damaging to one's health. Lack of physical exercise and overeating is the cause. As one gets older, the body's metabolism slows down so yeah, you can not eat like you did when you were 18 years old. Do I eat less? Yes. Do I exercise more. Yes. Funny that the obese family members joke that I need more "meat" on my bones, I think they mean fat. I am fit and muscular whereas they have gained so much weight they can't see their toes. I don't say anything to them, but I hear the "you're too skinny " too many damn times. I do not want to look like them at all, keep your meat, I will outlive you.
Load More Replies...Anyone who thinks that a Manatee might have realistic proportions has never been at sea for a few months without a woman in a hundred miles. An Abrasive, 300 pound welders helper with a bad complexion might as well be the bell of the ball under those conditions.
Well it's easier to blame someone else over sociale media if you are jealous of something then it is to change yourself or just stop being jealous. The latter actually takes effort. The first just a primitive emotional feeling of jealousy a keyboard, internet and 2 min time while sitting on a comfy couch.
I think the concept of "princesses" is much more damaging that some unrealistic cartoon body image.
Obesity is a serious issue, associated with numerous health risks. Stating that it's a "realistic" body type to attempt to validate yourself if you're overweight is just damaging to others who feel their body is "unrealistic". These aren't even realistic body types anyways, almost no one has proportions like that. Good article
Remember when the “body acceptance movement” was for burn victims, people with vitiligo etc. and NOT obesity?
Here's the key Ladies : just keep some damn semblance of a WAIST .... yes, a WAIST that is appreciably slimmer than your tits and your hips. The WAIST !! ...... soooooo important regardless of size. Signed - Every Straight Man In The World
i agree. those are not realistic realistic proportions. but young teenagers who see this might think "oh, this is how society wants me to look" and actually get obese. and then there is of course the other side of of people doing the same thing and becoming anorexic
Amen!! why can't people get over them selves and leave cartoons alone! They're freaking Cartoons and if your putting yourself worth on them then you have more problems than just weight you need to worry about. Let fantasy be fantasy and reality be reality, There's A Difference.
Yes, they are nice drawings, but they don't accurately represent real people any more than the original designs of the princesses.
Load More Replies..."Do people really think amermaid who swims constantly would be fat?" Well, all sea mammals have thickened fat layer. :)) But whatever. barbie-and...he-man.jpg
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