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Then why get so upset about a commercial encouraging men to step up and do something when they witness bad behavior?

True, Ash. I know I do. I see stuff in BP sometimes and I think "What planet are these people on?" I would NEVER do some of the awful stuff I see in some posts in BP. (I do completely different awful stuff ...)

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This suicide statistic is bogus. More men *successfully* commit suicide than women because men tend to choose more violent, physical methods. 3 or 4 times as many women *attempt* suicide than men.

No, it's not bogus at all. Men commit suicide 3.9 times more than women. Now women attempt suicide 1.2 times more often than men but women are also more likely to get diagnosed with depression where men do not, why??? Toxic masculinity tells men that getting help or talking about your problems make you look weak. So, yeah oh my sources are the BBC and afsp. Com/suicide statistics

Becky, it's not bogus. Women may attempt suicide more often but men are more serious about completimg it. And it is absolutely true that women are more likely to seek and get psychiatric help than men. Not only is that statistically true, but I have witnessed it myself through volunteering with mental health consumers. Who goes to the support groups and therapy groups? It's almost always mostly women.

Jesus. It’s not that either men or women are more serious; it’s because men use initially deadlier methods. Go big or go home, right dudes?

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@Nikole, To my knowledge that is precisely the point: if somebody really wants to die by committing suicide they most likely manage. A failed suicide attempt in most cases is a cry for help "look how miserable I am, if nobody helps me I kill myself". So paramedics and psychologists knew by the method that was chosen wether the person would like to be helped or came to peace with exiting this life and will try again no matter what. There never was a distinction between the genders. This was 20 years ago so maybe things have changed, but I'd be surprised if that changes so fast so fundamental.

You make a very good point, and you're exactly right that "some" refers to an unspecified number, particularly in the context of "Some men came to my house" or "I saw some men in a field." However, in the context of a part of a whole, to me, "some" means "more than a few, but less than half", and so the corollary "more than half" would equal "most". For example, if I have 100 M&Ms, and you took 51 of them, I wouldn't say you took "some" of my M&Ms, but that may be more connotation than denotation. So, still, your point is well-taken. I do want to point out: I was NEVER bothered by the Gilette commercial, but I can see why some people are, and sometimes my ability to understand a point of view can understandably lead to the conclusion that I feel a certain way, when rather I simply understand why one might. e.g.: sometimes I don't express myself very well.

They also specifically say that only "some men" are doing something, and "some isn't enough", which is true ... but doesn't that also imply by corollary that "most men" are doing nothing? Do you think that's true?

@similarly, in my experience, that is true. The people who will step up are typically in the minority. There are people who practice toxic masculinity overtly, and there are those who rally against it. However, the largest group is the silent majority, who look the other way and do nothing. When something like that happens, the inaction supports the negative behaviour. So, here, staying silent when witnessing toxic masculinity is a form of toxic masculinity itself. At the very least, it's a result of it.

DrBronx, I find that very, very sad. I haven't lived in the US in over 25 years. I agree that what we FAIL to say communicates in a way that is just as powerful as what we say. I'm sorry to hear that openly calling out wrong behavior isn't common. I honestly don't understand how this situation can still be like this, and it depresses me.

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Why do you distract to a different topic then? The add clearly said that roughhousing is wrong "we don't do that anymore" preventing the boys from having a play fight. Note: play-fight not an actual fight, roughhousing as you said. Between to same aged kids. The parents should watch and intervene when it gets out of hand and then do the so important parenting - force them to see the harm they have done, force them to see the hurt which they will try to avoid to see, because they don't want to feel the shame. But they have to so they learn empathy, learn that hurting others doesn't feel good. Yes you are absolutely right with your topic but that is not what was in the add. This topic hijacking happens often and I don't know why? I'm curious, why did you jump from me saying "roughhousing is important" to "violence against children is bad"?

I didn't change the topic and the AD (one "d", not two) did not say that play roughhousing is wrong. It shows two boys having a fight, the implication was that it was in fact a real fight. It is YOU that has changed the context and the message of the commercial.

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Ah I see, so that already is a serious fight for you? Being with kids such things happen daily, rarely anybody gets hurt and if which will because at one point one of them overreaches, hits too hard or a spot that hurts - not by evilness but by cluelessness- as said that's where parenting has to be done - How do you suggest to teach boys to control their potential for physical violence then? Or you do think physical violence should be avoided at all cost but how do you intend to handle the problem that people snap because they didn't learn the consequences of their actions then? And why only physical but not psychological violence which is known to be just as bad. Men are more physical women are more psychological in their violence.

Mathias, I already made it clear that I see a difference between good-natured roughhousing and a true fight. The commercial was addressing real fighting. And I do not understand your implication that I want a fight with you. It seems that you are the one who is angry and wants a verbal fight. All I did was state some facts.

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@ Boredest Disabled Panda. Why so aggressive? I was seeking for a discussion and you put words in my mouth I never said and try to gaslight me. To count as a fact it has to be according to scientific evidence, that means publicly open raw data, method how that data was collected and sources explained, method of analysis explained, limits explained and peer reviewed. You didn't do any of that so by the very definition of the word "fact" it is impossible that you stated facts. I know it has no point, I have enough experience with people, it's still always saddens me when people are like this... if you don't just want to defend your view but are open to challenge your own opinion feel free to reply in a respectful way. Have a nice day tough.

Mathias, your first sentence came across as accusing me of wanting a fight. I may have misinterpreted because your English is not very good.

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hahahaha, you just can't resist any chance to try to insult the other person. Oh the irony that me criticising the add is behaving like the add says we should, and you defending the add is behaving like the add says we shouldn't. It's ok, I know it is hard. I wish you the best and hopefully one day you can laugh about this too :)

Dude, have a seat. Most of your comments are hidden because everyone thinks you're an idiot.

Are you really f*****g bringing in the “final solution”?? And as I said in response to a different comment, even though a guy isn’t exhibiting this behavior he should call out males who do.

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@Nikole the far majority of men does call out other men if they are aggressive towards a woman and will try to protect that women. However they are far less likely to do so if another man is the victim.

You are very wrong.

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@Nikole If in a bar a man is about to hit a women, many men will do their best to stop him. If a man is about to hit another man, not so much. If a women asks a man for help she is much more likely to receive help than if a man asks another man. If your personal life experience deviates from that consider: a subjective point of view is not generally true.

Mathias, scientific studies have demonstrated that in fact the majority of the time no one of either sex intervenes in situations like that. It's called the "By-stander Effect." People expect that someone else will intervene and so no one ends up doing anything. Unfortunately, this is true for emergency situations in general as well, not just in violent situations.

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@ Boredest Disabled Panda, the bystander effect is observed in large crowds and cities, the smaller the crowd gets or the more rural you go the less likely it is to happen. To determine gender differences you have to filter the results for those conditions. Also notice I wrote of a situation in a bar, I did this for a reason. I also wrote if a person actively asks for help - so no bystander effect at all in that scenario. I'm happy that you know some scientific studies because science is great, but please also learn in what context they apply otherwise you likely come to wrong conclusions.

Matthias, my comment was not intended to address gender differences. That is why I specified that the studies involved both sexes. I came to no wrong conclusion since I was not commenting on gender differences.

Correct and that is why you have to factor it out to determine the gender differences which are the topic here.

As an AFAB with a mustachio, I can confirm what @Potato is saying

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You can say female. Sex isn’t “assigned” at birth, it’s observed at birth

lmao, I know I shaved LONG before I had anything that needed shaving. I agree that some women have hair on their faces. I used to know a woman who had very, very light-colored, fine-textured hair on her face that was not like male facial hair at all, and she was very self-conscious about it, and I never had the never to tell her she needn't have been, that it was natural and normal and nothing to feel awkward about.