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Woman Suggests That A Female Joker Would Be A Convincing Character, And Men Lose Their Minds
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Woman Suggests That A Female Joker Would Be A Convincing Character, And Men Lose Their Minds

Ghostbusters, Oceans 8, Dr. Who – female reboots are a phenomenon that men continue to lose their minds over, even when said in jest. There are some hardcore women in the comic book world but what would happen if one of the more iconic male characters was a woman instead? Well, as one writer on Twitter discovered it would lead to some classic male outrage.

It all began when writer Geraldine DeRuite took to Twitter and proposed that The Joker from Batman should have been a woman, and tied in a joke about some classic misogyny. Most of the men missed the joke and instead spared no time voicing their horror.

And men proceeded to lose their collective minds

Geraldine was unphased and continued to taunt her haters

So more upset men filled her thread with comments

The back and forth between the OP and commenters went on

And even developed into a deeper discussion beyond comic book characters

One man joined the discussion to point out that her ‘outrageous’ idea had, in fact, already been done in the Flashpoint comics

Not appreciating the mansplaining, she had some more fun and made a game out of the comments

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Daria B
Community Member
3 years ago

I have nothing against the possibility of a female joker, but we already have Harley, who, in my opinion, is much better. ♥

guy greej
Community Member
3 years ago

Indeed. This whole, "We can't have cool female characters unless they inherit a character that is a male," Thing seems like not so so

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Random Panda
Community Member
3 years ago (edited)

This is such a stupid thing to argue about. Why do people get so bent over someone's random alternate universe idea? Stuff like this is a dime a dozen in fandom. They should read more fanfiction, it might help to get the stick out of their ass. PS: OP should have ignored them imo. There's absolutely nothing to gain by arguing with these types.

elfin
Community Member
3 years ago

I'm old enough to remember when the Internet was new. I also remember logging in with a mostly female name and within minutes receiving nasty sexual comments and nasty put-down comments for daring to log into a male world. Telling a woman may not seem hostile and isn't high on the scale, but it is condescending, patriarchal, and assumes that a woman's feelings should be dictated by what a man wants. When you encounter it enough times in your life the hostility becomes really obvious.

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ZombieGirl5591
Community Member
3 years ago

I enjoyed this so much. I must follow her on Twitter! lol

Sunzilla
Community Member
3 years ago

I just did! LOL!

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Magnus Victor
Community Member
3 years ago

Does men in the US really tell women to smile, thats kind of wierd

Random Panda
Community Member
3 years ago

It's insane so many people apparently think it's fine and not rude at all to tell a complete stranger to smile.

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Sunzilla
Community Member
3 years ago

Ha! That smiling thing is really rude. And annoying. And unnecessary. If you want to "cheer someone up". Say hello and give them a darn compliment.

Adrienne Roscoe
Community Member
3 years ago

"why she not smile on command? if she listened better she would feel better and thus look better by smiling"

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Night Shade
Community Member
3 years ago

Wow I’m a male and I am appalled at how dumb some men can be They’re completely stupid and expressively sexist Sorry for all the women out there who have to suffer such stupidity

Tenay Douglas
Community Member
2 years ago

The same way men shouldn't tell women to smile, women shouldn't do it to men. And before anyone ASSUMES it. Not EVERY guy wants EVERY women's attention, especially some complete stranger. At the end of the day women can be just as creepy as men and the same way men need to respect women's space and feelings women should do the same for men. And you all shouldn't be ganging up on him for understanding something that's clearly going right over you're heads. Because if you're sister or mother told you she was having a rough day then got told to smile by some completely random guy on her walk home you wouldn't be too happy about it.

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Derek Neibarger
Community Member
3 years ago

Where did all these sexist/racist/homophobic fanboys come from? Growing up as a comic book fanatic in the late 70s and 80s, fans were decent, intelligent open minded kids that appreciated change and evolution of the art form. Now we have this small army of whiny douchebags that hate troll anything doesn't feature only white, hetero men. They're a disgrace to comic/sci-fi/fantasy fans everywhere.

Whatevers not taken
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3 years ago

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Your a fucking idiot who didn’t read the article correctly. Maybe you should go back and reread the comics because you obviously don’t get it.

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ivan bolitekurac
Community Member
3 years ago

My suggestion is that the joker should be a talking dog

Agfox
Community Member
3 years ago

Yeah, great, but what breed of dog? (am I doing this right?)

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Turnip and a Frog
Community Member
3 years ago

There’s nothing offensive or aggressive or misandristic about her initial tweet / proposal. Beats me why they were so bothered. Whistle and the dogs will holler.

Scott Sommer
Community Member
2 years ago

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They weren't bother. They just think it is a stupid idea to make someone a mass murderer because they are mildly annoyed.

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Wanda Queen
Community Member
3 years ago

It is wicked fucking annoying to constantly be told to "SMILE" by people. Just saying.

Scott Sommer
Community Member
2 years ago

It is also wicked fucking annoying to be constantly told "you're mad" by people just because you disagree. They already have a female Joker and she didn't need to be a misandrist to be a good character. That's the point.

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Candice
Community Member
3 years ago (edited)

Many years ago, I was going out from the dentist with my mouth paralized down by the anestesia, and I cross a random man in the street, and he told me: You must to smile miss ! I could not respond, better for him lol !

Aunt Messy
Community Member
3 years ago

I always want to smack men who say this.... including the one who screamed it across the street when I was going to visit my dying mother in the hospital.

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Herb Eaversmells
Community Member
3 years ago

Everyone knows arguments over the internet are always respectful, well thought out, and on point. Its the web code.... Right?

Connor Johnson
Community Member
3 years ago

I have a better idea, make an original fucking character!

A Jones
Community Member
2 years ago

Yeah, shared thoughts. The background story can work for another character. Feels like a character that uses methods like Saw and the Joker to smite bad bloaks. Buutt also bad lasses who've done just as bad.

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Lauren Caswell
Community Member
3 years ago

Wow. Just...Wow. although I think a female joker would be a badass change of pace! Cool to learn it's been done before too, gna look up those references :)

TheExtremeSmell
Community Member
3 years ago

I think a female joker would of been cool just causing chaos bc why not. However I’m sure it would be written off or done overly sexual in order to get ticket sales

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Kelly Von Tee
Community Member
3 years ago

I don't get people who don't get satire.

Scott Sommer
Community Member
2 years ago

Tell that to every woman who gets offended when a guy makes a joke.

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Leigh Ann Poston
Community Member
3 years ago

I may actually join Twitter to follow Geraldine. I love how she’s called fragile and told she reads too much into things by fragile people reading too much into a funny tweet.

Nora AlMeida
Community Member
3 years ago

That weak male with the ‘ Kill Face’ twitter name is the one who’s fucked in the head. First of all, ‘kill face’ alone, for a name on twitter says enough about his lack of maturity and his fragility since he wants to seem tough so bad— a person who isn’t fucked in the head wouldn’t be so hellbent on wanting to seem tough. But beyond that, that moron couldn’t comprehend that she made a comment on twitter— as in, she isn’t really going to go on and on about all the various things that random males have irritated her with. And it all boils down to disrespect: a random person telling her what to do @telling a woman to ‘smile’. This is disrespectful. He dared to say that she’s being petty and pathetic, which tells me that he says that because he is one of those stupid males who tell a random woman on the street to ‘smile’. Would males want to be told what to do? No? This is exactly the point: it is insulting to be told what to do, let alone from a random person. His mother would be ashamed

Nora AlMeida
Community Member
3 years ago

As for ‘attention-whoring’— all those males who try to get ahold of a woman’s attention by making such or other comments to her as she passes by, those males are ‘attention-whoring’ since they’re the ones trying, disrespectfully, too, to have her attention. If an actual decent guy wanted to get to know a woman, he can simply write his number on a paper, give it to her, and go away [immediately] so that she feels safe. Since lots of males are stalkers, rapists, and killers (80% of murderers are male, and there are extremely emotional, weak, psychotic males who killed women who weren’t interested in getting to know the psychotic male— look it up on google— so it is a legitimate worry for a woman when approached by males, since insane shit like that does happen to women by weak males).

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Tarmin Slingerfinger
Community Member
3 years ago

If we ignore all the discussion about sexism etc..., a female joker doing just that what she describes in her first few posts would actually be a REALLY good parody. I can imagine laughing my ass off at that for at least 2 or 3 episodes.

Scott Sommer
Community Member
2 years ago

Parody? Sure. A serious reflection on society? Eh...it is misandrist.

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proof that tony stark has a ❤️
Community Member
3 years ago

Really hope I don't seem ignorant and if i do I'm sorry, but..is it a..thing for women to be told to smile constantly?

Meop
Community Member
3 years ago

Yep.

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TheExtremeSmell
Community Member
3 years ago

You have to look at adjusted vs unadjusted gender pay gap still a difference but not as much. However in America general female medical expenses like paid maternity leave is terrible vs other first world countries

Hugo Raible
Community Member
3 years ago

There is certainly a lack of quality time with their families for fathers. But yes, everybody is in arms about something like 3-4% of pay gap.

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Anime nerd
Community Member
3 years ago (edited)

First of all I love this girl like come on u must be a great person in life. Second where can I find Killface and how hard can I punch him in the face. I was laughing so hard at the men saying that give me a smile is just a compliment and OH BOY was I triggered that don’t even know how bad they affect us. And ladies and gentlemen non-binary other genders this is why I’m gay

Victoria Rey Piuma
Community Member
3 years ago

I think they don't get how many times we are told/commanded to smile by random people. If you read their comments they are offended, but then say 'I say this to my wife and she to me'. What the girl is complaining about is random people who basically order you to smile 'cause you got boobs. It's not about caring compliments or comments at all. And 100% agreed, if you find Killface, take me with you. I want to tell him to 'come on, pretty, why don't you just smile?' and then bitch slap him when he scowls. 'Nah baby, smile!' Slap 'I know you can, you'd be so much prettier!' Slap (hihihi. Ok. Ahem) sorry. Anyways lots of miscommunication there. At least the girl knew how to deal with all those crappy comments and have fun with it, right? I'd have been in such a bad mood with all those shit comments missing the point and (again) telling/commanding her how she should be thankful for guys telling her to smile, I think all the guys around me would have suffered for months. I like her bingo

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kitsune miku
Community Member
3 years ago

will say this, girls get told to smile and guys don't. then guys say its only to make them feel better, like no girls aint gonna smile if a random guy tells them too. that shits just weird and i personally would tell them t fuck off.

Daniel Witzel
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3 years ago

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guys dont get told to smile? how do you know? or maybe perhaps YOU dont tell men to smile. I can tell you that when i go outside even if i'm not feeling well I make sure to smile at people i interact with, simply because when i was younger i was told constantly that I should smile more or asked why i dont smile all the time. I was in a very deep depression and it wasnt the women in my life that asked me if i was ok, it was my best friends, who happen to me male. I'm not saying women are uncaring, not at all. I'm saying you shouldnt make blanket statements like 'girls get told to smile and guys don't' without actually knowing.

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LiveEclectic
Community Member
3 years ago

Bored panda just likes to create division by sponsoring click bait titles like "women lose their minds over..." "men lose their minds over..." how about stop focusing on bullshit. I am a man. I could care less if the joker is a man or a woman. "Men" don't care about the joker. Some PEOPLE do, men and women. Bullshit. Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. Bored panda, get a life. I'm over this divisive atmosphere. I remember when I first signed onto this app, what incredible stories were shared. Now they've been cast aside for this? Lame

🏳️‍🌈👻EmoExtreemo👻🏳️‍🌈
3 years ago

i find it entertaining to watch people make fools of themselves on these articles

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Derron Grant Jr.
Community Member
3 years ago

Wow people will make an arguement from ANYTHING now.

ThatJeremyKid
Community Member
3 years ago

Am I the only one who thinks both sides were ridiculous??

Spencer McClure
Community Member
3 years ago

Reasons why this Joker idea doesn't work: 1) Joker has no known history. It's part of what makes him so horrifying. Nobody knows why he acts as he does. Attempts to give him a history (Even good ones like the 1980's burton film) are considered a weaker part of that joker. 2) Joker has no motivation outside of chaos and 'fun'. If he has a real objective, it's either abstract or can change on a whim. Neither of these would be the case if the Joker was the Joker because of snapping from sexism. 3) Joker is supposed to be unpredictable. I'm sorry, but a joker who is based on issues of sexism can easily be outmaneuvered and outsmarted due to being able to use those issues against them. None of these issues are to do with Joker being female. Plenty of female villains exist, even a joker as others pointed out. It's a weak villain idea that isn't interesting and too easy to overcome, preventing the idea from being popular to anyone outside of a feminist demographic.

Spencer McClure
Community Member
3 years ago

Also, you want a female villain? Here you go....Harley Quinn; Poison Ivy; Baby Doll; Cheetah; Raven; Cheshire; Contessa; Doctor Poison; Killer Frost; Madam Rouge; Maxima; Talia Al Ghul; Nyssa Al Ghul; Plastique; Queen Bee (4 of them); Rose Wilson; Star Sapphire; multiple members of the Yellow Lantern Corps....and that's just from DC. From Marvel's side of things you got... Scarlet Witch; Phoenix; Electra; Mystique; Viper; Morgan Le Fay; Psylocke; Enchantress; Hela; Emma Frost; Lady Deathstrike; Madame Masque; Lilith; Lucia Von Bardas; Cassandra Nova; Supreme Intelligence; Madelyne Pryor; Callisto; Selene; Typhoid Mary; Proxima Midnight; And more. It's not like they're in short supply.

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Amina Hays
Community Member
3 years ago

1/4 About twenty years ago, I got a tattoo of Harley Quinn on my leg, I loved her. I even have the original animated series outfit which I normally just wear around the house :-D i have knuckle tattoos and have the Batman logo, again specifically from the animated series, tattooed on two of them. The person who tweeted that men were getting angry because she suggested a girl should be in comics; that isn’t the case at all.

Amina Hays
Community Member
3 years ago

2/4 There are a ton of strong female characters in comics, there was no need to and no point in, her saying that. It’s not just men who are vehemently against the idea. I’m a girl and I think having a female Joker is a terrible idea. Nowadays, you have to cater to absolutely everyone, which is just absurd. Why does there need to be a female version of everything?

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Leo Domitrix
Community Member
3 years ago

I own a t-shirt that decalres DO NOT TELL ME TO SMILE UNTIL YOU KNOW WHY I AM CRYING. Starting to think I should have marketed that sucker instead of just doing a one-off...

danielw
Community Member
3 years ago

people that tell other people to smile are probably the reason that person is not smiling at that time. Even if it's for a family photo, it still pisses me off. Also... it's not to late!

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Bill
Community Member
3 years ago

Making the Joker a woman means they can just rehash the same old shit without having to come up with something new

Tahani
Community Member
3 years ago

Gotta love her! And it's hillarious to see just how many men have the point fly at warp speed over their heads!! LOL

Daniel Witzel
Community Member
3 years ago

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ok and what is this 'point' that flys over their heads?

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KCN
Community Member
3 years ago

Oh, these men. The ones who don't read. And seriously? If you're walking down the street and some stranger says 'smile'? Why the hell should we do this (I'm a woman)?? I should smile because someone's trying to cheer me up when they don't know me? Or perhaps this guy just tells women what to do all the time. And we should just do whatever any man should tell us to do.

James Gallegos
Community Member
3 years ago

I don't have a problem with the Joker being a woman. I think the problem is that she took it upon herself to make her Joker a man-hater. The male Joker doesn't hate women in general, I mean he has Harley. The Joker pretty much hates everyone and doesn't discriminate on who he kills. This woman wanted to get a rise out of the men by saying Lady Joker's main motivation was to go after men who done women wrong or don't view women equally. I can see where her point is going but in a way maybe her context about it was wrong? I don't know...I wouldn't create a gay Joker and have him only go after homophobes. I mean I would but I would rob banks and try to murder all of Gotham too! Lol. Her Lady Joker just seems one note or one dimensional if all she wants to do is punish men. I'm sure there are a lot of woman she's probably not to friendly with that her Lady Joker can go after too.

Victoria Rey Piuma
Community Member
3 years ago

Yes, women can be horrible between themselves too. I agree with your premise. I still think she just imagined smiling all day excessively and her imagination provided a female version of the Joker, and that the post was mostly a revenge fantasy taken too seriously. But yes, the scope is too narrow, also revenge on all cheating husbands is too small for a supervillain. I can see though how hearing this too often would change you into a person who would smile maniacally and find those guys to scare them shit less while saying I'm smiling now, aren't I pretty? Aren't you happy? But yes, those are initial steps, not supervillain steps.

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Brodie
Community Member
3 years ago

Literally gonna download Twitter JUST to follow her. I like her. They got so butthurt over an idea. A tweet. Spent time calling her names and saying why she was wrong. IT WAS A TWEET.

Claire Stark
Community Member
3 years ago

That's genuinly pathetic.

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Lisa Hilyer
Community Member
3 years ago

Christine is the bomb! People (men) are so ridiculous. Talk about 1st world problems!

Daniel Witzel
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3 years ago

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so only men can be ridiculous? thats a bit sexist.

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Theamazingfrobo
Community Member
3 years ago

I never thought of this, a female joker with that origin story would be so badass!

Daniel Witzel
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3 years ago

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why? why would this be 'badass'?