If you like reading, you might also have a list of books that you wish were never written, to put it mildly. As a reader, I got curious about what exactly turns people away from a book. Whether it's the storyline or characters, there has to be something else that accompanies the poor writing.

Some time ago, I asked our community what their least favorite literature tropes and stock characters were and our pandas had a lot to share! Scroll down for the answers. What are your least favorite clichés in books?

#1

Sarcastic bad boy that has never loved before, has a troubled past, and hates everyone. Why the hell should the loner, unpopular girl (who usually likes to draw or read because "I'm not like other girls") be any different? But nope, he teases her, makes her think he hates her, then goes and kisses her after saving her life.

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BlockDog02
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4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yes. I see that a lot in high school American romances, and is annoying as heck. Though it does give me a little hope ;-;

earringnut
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4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You don't deserve someone who mocks you. You deserve so much better.

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Geneva Singleton
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4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Broken Angel, an eighties movie call Heathers is a crushing takedown of this whole trope, and a lot of other teen flick tropes. Go check it out!

Nudge
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4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

heathers lmao JD is the epitome of bad boy at the beginning but then like ... "your JD pokemon evolved into a psychopath!" you know?

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Kathryn Baylis
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3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Ugh. I have seen so many girls go for the bad boys because they’re exciting. Well, bad boys generally make pisspoor husbands and fathers. Date them while you’re young, if that’s what you’re into—-making sure they’re not also violent—-but never ever EVER marry them. The girls I knew who did really regretted it, and their second husbands were always way more boring BUT way way safer, more secure, and just better quality guys.

Gemmila Cadd
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4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm looking at you, PDH Aaron and Aphmau

Ozacoter
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4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I am looking at you all Dramiones

California Jones
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4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I know it's a terrible cliché, but I'm such a sucker for this trope. I love a good Herondale.

Ruby
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3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Sounds like Bronwyn and Nate (one of us is lying)

Rae Black
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3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I need to see him kiss her by surprise and then she throat punches him by surprise. Li Lu had it right boys, "Never without asking"

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    #2

    Female characters who are competent, powerful, and awesome that inexplicably end up with the mediocre dude main character. Did they discover shared interests or chemistry? Did circumstances forge an unbreakable bond between them? Nah, he wanted her. So now she’s into him. Too much work to justify it, she’s a prize for him stumbling through the plot.

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    Dawn Sardella-Ayres
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The flip side of "all nerdy and mediocre guys deserve hot chicks with little effort" trope.

    Kathryn Baylis
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Or those same female characters making really poor and potentially career-ending decisions to sleep with an employee. Or any strong women who just fall in bed with really wrong men, especially with no established context of why they would do something stupid like that. It’s just not how such a woman would actually behave. Even now, it’s hard enough for a woman to rise to the top of her profession. Even harder for her to stay there. Why TF would she take such a counterintuitive risk?

    Jessica Martin
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    To be fair i've also seen the reverse of this trope.

    lakitha tolbert
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I absolutely hate the "woman as a reward" trope! He did a good deed, he saved her life, saves the world, saves a puppy he said something nice to someone once, he loves cats...he gets a girl as a prize! Although this also sometimes gets done with guys who do actively harmful sht to a woman, like in the movie Passengers!

    Robert Jordan
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    3 years ago

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    Rajeshwar Parekh
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This trope among others though extensively analyzed and extended into all sorts of stories, despite the haranguing, really is not about the conditions that can be changed every time. The tropes are really about the archetype, which proves the reality or cyclical mythology, despite the flaws that may be perceived. Calling tropes archetype or mythology is really seeing them as a history which is eligible to more variations than are imagined and that create an impact in many other ways that cannot be conveyed by being called "stock," "cliched," or "unpopular" by a jaded audience driven by cynicism.

    Zwiebel Suppe
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Funny thing is: This seems to happen in real life quite often, too. At least from what I have been observing.

    olx
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    pixels. in fact, any adam sandler movie

    Prisha Mahajan
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Absolutely not. Annabeth and Percy had awesome chemistry throughout the entire series and Percy was in NO way a mediocre character. Also, they went through SO much together, they were literally made for each other.,

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    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Katniss Everdeen and Peeta Melark

    ChariotLee
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Gale matched Katniss' badassery step by step. But no, he was to go rogue and to lose to the boy next door, who, quite frankly, would've died multiple times without Katniss.

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    #3

    “A woman arrives at her place of employment; Because reasons, she’s suddenly working with a new Man Employee. Man Employee is actively superior, dismissive, and occasionally starts to mansplain even though she worked there first, because obviously she’s only a woman. Every fiber of her being despises Man Employees, as it should, for he’s an a**h***. Yet something inside her, somehow not a fiber of her being, knows that she will learn to desire this man because that’s how being female works.”

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    Katie Fink
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sigh. Sounds like it was written by a man trope

    Gábor Molnár
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Even me a man find things like this unbearable. I mean how the hell does the woman fall in love with an arsehole like that?

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    Paul Davis
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Reminds me of movies in the late 50s, early 60s where there were a lot of plotlines where basically the male lead would assault his romantic interest and she would fall limply into his arms and enjoy it, because we all knew then that when women said "no I don't want you" they really meant "come chase me". I seriously can't stand to watch most movies made during that era because they're so despicably sexist.

    Penny Kemper
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yeah you can tell when things are written by men for women to say or do with no female input at all.

    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This happened in Lucifer with Chloe

    Nimues Child
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    To quote Seth McFarlane: "For the next 90 minutes, I'll show you how all your problems can be solved by my p***is."

    Jessica Martin
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I really wanted to smash this person's head open once they said that abomination of a word. (mansplaining) Whoever invented this r******d word and decided it was a good idea for it to exist deserves to be f*****g shot.

    lakitha tolbert
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yeah, in the movies (unlike in the real world) women don't ever have a justifiable dislike of any man! Their dislike is always a cover for their deep feelings of desire.

    Hades (but good)
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    oh, it's not like the woman shouldn't be with the stupid, mansplaining employee! by all means, let them then go through an awful relationship! /s

    Jessica Martin
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Your comment could've been a thousand times better if it didn't involve that stupid misandrist word.

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    Rae Black
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is why giant dildos should be normal office desk accessories.

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    #4

    Giving characters a sudden new field of expertise based on some tenuous connection. "My uncle's neighbor's dog's trainer's friend's mom was an auto mechanic, so I think I can to rebuild Optimus Prime."

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    Ozacoter
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    4 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The "my dad was a X so I am an expert in the field".My father is a doctor. Dont ask me to operate on you.

    Gábor Molnár
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My father is an electrician. I can't even repair an electric outlet let alone a radio or the like.

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    Nikki Hilton
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My father was a piano mover, so... (Groundhog Day).

    Hobby Hopper
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "I wrote a program once, so let me build a super computer from bits of garbage and hack the pentagon."

    Paul Davis
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    All media have a big problem with convenient characters who possess skills that are ludicrous. Some character "was in the Army" so somehow they know how to operate every weapon and fly or operate every single military vehicle, and know every procedure in detail used by every command and military in the world. Whereas IRL they might know how to fix a certain vehicle's AC system because they worked in the motorpool, or know how to fill out a particular form because they worked in administration.

    MimSorensson
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    “I’ve spent my entire career in the military calculating how many paper clips the local administration may need annually, so just you hand me the controls of this here Black Hawk attack helicopter and don’t worry!”

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    Lukyan Terdal
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    In some corner of the multiverse, Ratchet just burst out laughing.

    D Battle II
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Or finding out their real parent(s) were ______ , then gaining mastery in ________. Then ending with characters fulfilling some birthright b.s., prophecy, or whatever.

    Hades (but good)
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "my dad is a doctor! therefore, I can take out your ruptured appendix! let me just get the butcher knife and rubbing alcohol..."

    ATM
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The dumbest version of this is in stranger things when that ginger girl is dressing elevens severe wound and she attributes it to skateboarding lol

    Hermien Greeff
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If you are a Engineer, you can fix absolutely everything. - Looking at you Prison Break

    Shoddy
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Well, that's what I base my experience on.

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    #5

    When the character that is supposed to be ugly turns beautiful when they realize that beauty is on the inside.

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    Aurelia!
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yes. Why can't we just have an 'ugly' character stay 'ugly' and be happy that way?

    Yeah, you heard
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And when ugly girl = girl with glasses, braces and no make up. Then voila! Off come the braces and the glasses, on goes the make up and suddenly she's apparently gorgeous.

    Doctor Strange
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Remember the lesson of the Ugly Duckling. It doesn't matter if you are physically unnatractive now, so long as you become physically attractive after puberty.

    Stephanie Did It
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That absolutely is not the lesson taught be the Ugly Duckling story.

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    HooowlAtTheMoon
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    everyone is beautiful inside and out though

    Mary Rose Kent
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    No. No they are not. Take this from someone who was sexually abused throughout her entire adolescence.

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    Giles McArdell
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Characters who are hideous in books looking real fine in the movie version, "Ready Player One" and "Mortal Engines" being two that immediately spring to mind. Oh, and Fiona in Shrek, I think she looked more attractive in her Ogre form.

    Hell’s Angle’s
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yeah, wade in the books was totally different from movie wade

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    Rae Black
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Or when they take off their glasses.

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    #6

    Probably "Teenage girl who spouts that she's very unattractive but then describes her flowing blonde hair and blue eyes while gazing forlornly into a mirror before getting ready for school"

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    A Head
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    According to "the movies" she just has to take off her glasses, and re-style her hair. Never mind that she was a stunningly beautiful woman to begin with.

    Martin Kaine
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "Re-style" = Straighten. (I'm looking at you, Princess Diaries)

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    Nikki Owens
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You can have blond hair & blue eyes & still be unattractive, though...

    Hex Gurls
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    you literally just described me ✌️🥲

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    Katie Fink
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They always have clear skin too. Not enough pimples in these dramas. Or chicken pox scars

    Katie Fink
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Or scars in their eyebrow from when they knocked their head on a coffee table as an infant

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    Xottel
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Bonus point for describing a character via the mirror they see themselves in. 🥱

    adiiantryx
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    honestly, i hated this trope too but then i realised that it's not about how they physically look but the symbolising nature that they gain confidence in their own looks because it's a fact, people look way more attractive when they're confident than otherwise. it makes sense

    Moxie Mallahan
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Hair color and eye color does not determine attractiveness so I really don't understand what you're getting at. You can have ANY hair color or eye color and still have an "unattractive" looking face and body. And not all people with blonde hair have blue or even light colored eyes.

    Jessica Martin
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Blonde hair doesn't make you attractive tf. What does hair color have to do with attractiveness?

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    #7

    Autistic characters almost always being white, cisgender males that are savants and have a special interest in trains.

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    Amy Dodds
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My god you're right they do love trains!

    lakitha tolbert
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As a Black woman on the spectrum, I fkn hate trains!

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    Ruby
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Dinosaur/train obsessed, super good with computers and a huge nerd who can't talk with girls. Nothing else, no other autism traits except that. Just that.

    JustAFan
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Either that or they're completely nonverbal/only say things relevant to the plot, can't make eye contact or do anything for themselves. Zero sense of agency or personality outside of being "the autistic character", and just a plot device. I swear, it's always Sheldon Cooper or Sia's Music (The movie, not the music itself). It's mind blowing that in 2022, people still can't grasp the concept of autistic people having more than 2 personalities.

    Dad
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My son is a cyst white boy and doesn't give a flying s**t about trains, video games and the Gilmore girls however are an absolute favourite over here.

    Dad
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Cis not cyst, f*****g autoincorrect!

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    Ashley Harrold
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Recently found a book for kids called Spark of Light. Its about a girl who is Autistic, best part is one of her sisters is too. Actually written by a neurodivergent author so hopefully this trope is changing

    Ashley Harrold
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Correcting myself on the title, it's A Kind of Spark https://www.amazon.com/Kind-Spark-Elle-McNicoll-ebook/dp/B08BMVLNMQ/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3LXS5BFK7E9VH&keywords=a+kind+of+spark&qid=1653584979&sprefix=a+kind+of+spark%2Caps%2C466&sr=8-1

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    ChariotLee
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I have a character with mild autism. She dislikes people and noise. She speaks very directly. She is deeply fascinated with fairies, cryptids, and mythical folklore. She has a wild imagination and sees a strange beauty in everything. Yet she is not once labeled as "autistic." She is a whole lot more than that word, and I want readers to see that. And yes, she is partly based off myself.

    Marnie
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    She sees a strange beauty in everything but dislikes people? Does she see a strange beauty in everything except people?

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    Anjelika
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Now that I think about it, always the trains

    Liu Woods
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yes, this!! Give me an autistic character who’s not a cis man, who’s a person of color, or with average intelligence. It would help remind people that all kinds of autistic people exist.

    Vorknkx
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They are always depicted as devoid of emotions to the point of being openly rude to everyone, explained by being excessively "logical." Also, an autistic character would constantly spew useless trivia on 1001 subjects.

    olx
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    ***curious incident***

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    #8

    I don’t like the “Pick-me” girl type/masculine tomboyish main character. Don’t get me wrong, I think it’s great to have tomboy characters and stereotypically masculine women, however, I don’t appreciate the idea that a woman has to be masculine to be considered strong. I don’t like that a stereotypically strong woman has to have the traits of a man or be “different from other girls” in order to be taken seriously or recognized as anything other than dumb, pretty, and weak. I think it fuels internalized misogyny and only further pushes the idea that anything feminine is wrong and weak while masculine is tough and strong.

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    Emilycookie
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    i am super feminine, like 10/10 girly girl, pleated skirts and all. could i roast you to tears or make you really guilty though? probably! have i tromped through mud in sneakers on multiple mile hikes? heck yeah!

    FearReaper
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Prob true, there are people from thousands of walks of life

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    Paige Leissner
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I hate the phrase "tomboy" because a girl shouldn't need a label for being sporty/not girly, we should just be judged on who we are because of who we are and what we like

    Melanie Burlock
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    “Not like other girls” is not a compliment. It’s an insult.

    J. F.
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Ironically this trope is often used by self-called "feminists" (they are not) through out all media - See "Masters of the Universe" on Netflix or "The Last of us 2". Strong women need to be as manly as possible to not appear as weak in the eyes of such writers, implying that femimine women can't be strong

    Bryn Parrott
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think it’s a mistake to attach gender to traits such as “strong” and “weak” because both males and females have many examples of both. It’s better to more closely define those character traits to say what makes someone “strong”. For example someone with an introvert personality might come across as “weak” but possessing inner strength. “Strong” is often associated with another trait : “aggressiveness” but an aggressive person is not always “strong”.

    Giles McArdell
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is where shows like Buffy and more recently Netflix's Sabrina reboot are so good, those girls look like ordinary schoolgirls but are hard as nails deep down.

    Fried Mermaid
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yes! And Luisa for Encanto, although she's muscled because -heavy lifting- she remains feminine, and Monica from friends, throughout the series they say several times how strong she is physically, a thing you wouldn't normally imagine from her figure

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    Puggawugbug
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I’m a girly girl but I love drawing mutant monsters and I think dinosaurs are cool.

    S McKenna
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    2 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Omg this is exactly what I have always thought. Its so annoying as theyre actually trying to be "feminist" yet are actually being the opposite by making out in order for a female to be strong she's got to be all tough and aggressive and masculine, being ultimately very ironic. Not only is is this anti feminist because of like you say anything feminine is wrong and weak while masculine is tough and strong but it's also making out that girls have got to be a certain way to be considered "strong" which is just so wrong, like its a one size fits all which isnt true of course.

    Pumpkin Spice
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I love wearing dresses, doing makeup, painting my nails, watching chick flicks, drawing, reading. Can I beat you in a sparring contest? Yes. Can I psychologically manipulate your abusive parents into becoming semi-decent people? Yes. Can I hike 5 miles in the rain? Been there, done that, got the cold. Can I make a beautiful wood art piece? Yes! People who like 'masculine' things can be delicate and emotional. People who like 'feminine' things can be tough and protective. How you dress is just that, the clothes on your body. Nothing else. You are who you are, and you like what you like.

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    #9

    Women in peril. There is an entire genre of books (and movies) that rely on women being in danger and needing to be saved, either by themselves or by someone else, but nevertheless, they are in peril. The Girl on the Train, the Good Girl, All the Missing Girls, any Ruth Ware book...I could go on. I used to read them on the beach or buy them at airports but I can't stand them anymore!

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    Giles McArdell
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I totally get the annoyance at the "Woman needs to be saved by a man" trope. But surely "Protagonist is in peril" is a necessary part of any action/adventure story?

    CGDesign
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Agreed. Not everybody can be a hidden badass or competent in a situation based on their backgrounds.

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    Rae Black
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I prefer the Fiona, "I rescued myself!"

    ChariotLee
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Anything by Natasha Preston. The plots are usually compelling, but the main character is usually a teenage girl who is just...well...a complete idiot. Like the charge-headfirst-into-the-dark-basement-where-the-killer-is-hiding kind of idiot.

    Lukyan Terdal
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Super Mario Bros was very much a product of its time.

    lakitha tolbert
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    A few additions to this particular trope, is the "Black woman can endure lots of pain" cliche. Where Black women are shown being strong by enduring lots of physical or emotional pain! They're definitely in distress but there is never the intimation that anyone is coming to save them. Another side trope is the "Delicate Asian woman enduring emotional pain" also called the Madame Butterfly trope. They don't get to be saved either. In fact, they usually commit suicide to escape their distress. (There's a stupid trope for every woc.)

    Leanna Krys
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm a damsel, I'm in distress...I can handle this. Have a nice day!

    Katie Lutesinger
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I was sharing a book I wrote with a friend who was bored in the hospital, and she remarked on the fact that the male hero ends up needing to be rescued twice! Both times by a woman, in fact.

    Leigh Jones
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Rebranded Damsel in Distress was Woman in refrigerator. I mean she didn't even have to be alive to activate 'Rescue man'. Which is more than a trope. It's a muscular role model that celebrates a masculinity that is entirely bodily, utterly active, morally true and a badass to boot. And dependent on having a female that's going to be grateful for her man, and repeat as much. Hard thing for young men to live up to. No wonder masculinity gets so disturbed. Serious this is Hollywood b******t fed into homes via the screen.

    Winter
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Hehe. I like Ruth Ware books. 😁

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    #10

    The wise cracking nine-year-old kid who is "old for their years" and calls out the adults in situations they should have no experience with or input on. "We need to move again." "You said this was the last time!" "Yes, but things have changed." "You're a liar. I guess THAT didn't change." Just soooo annoying.

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    Lee
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They’re so annoying! No kid cares or talks like that to their parents unless they want their a** beaten! Wtf?! And it’s often above their ‘intelligence level’ not every kid is going to argue the implications of their parents’ actions like that and they literally do not care. at least, I never did.

    lakitha tolbert
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yeah, I would have been upset we were moving again, and probably said so, but I would never have called my parent a liar to their face (or even behind their back.)

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    Paul Davis
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    How about all plots depending on the kid characters being the only ones in the world with a remotely human IQ and eyes and ears, and the adults are all drooling vegetables who are also deaf and blind. That was one reason I don't like Steven Spielberg as much as most people - he used idiotic tropes like that all the damned time.

    Horchata
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Ugh, the sarcastic kid who is wise beyond their years who always gives the adult main character advice, especially on dating. Just terrible. Looking at you 500 Days of Summer.

    Pezor Zass
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    even as a kid i hated this trope.

    TheHalloweenTeen
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Leia from Obi-Wan Kenobi... I did not like her character very much- and she was only ten.

    Jessica Martin
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What's so wrong about having a mature and smart kid? I prefer those over the typical annoying bratty kids who scream all the time.

    Pumpkin Spice
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    When I was nine, I was discussing politics with my parents and rolling around in mud. Kids can be profoundly smart and wise, just make sure that it balances out with a healthy dose of being a kid.

    lakitha tolbert
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I just saw this trope in the Horror movie Itsy Bitsy about a killer spider!

    Queen fhk
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Tell that to Adam's project

    olx
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    adam sandler movies again

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    #11

    This has already been said MANY times, but it is REALLY annoying. The gay BFF. Sure, I have a gay bestie, but it's not the friendship itself, is the girlishness of how the person or character acts. Or how someone expects them to act IRL. It's just, really freaking annoying

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    Ozacoter
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Indeed. We need to see all people the same regarding sexual preference. My best friend is gay but i dont have "a gay best friend". I have a great friend that coincidentally likes men.

    Ellis Tamura
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I have a gay best friend- but the majority of my friends are gay. and by gay I mean bi.

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    QueerTheory
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I really like erick from sex education just because he is a great friend and such a personality and breaks the gbff cliche in so many ways.

    Paul Davis
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    How come the male characters never have a gay girl best friend who helps them with their life advice and style?

    Katie Lutesinger
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's often so the female protagonist can have an "unthreatening" male friend who won't try to get into her pants. Because if her male friend is straight, that means sooner or later they totally have to fall in wuv or have sex, or both. They can't just stay friends. Bah!

    Moxie Mallahan
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And it's always a gay MALE for some reason. I'd love to see one where it's a main male character with a close lesbian bestie.

    Amy Taylor
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I loved in Mean Girls that the character of Damien just existed in their world and they didn't make a joke out of him.

    Fat Harry
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm thinking Hollywood from the film Mannequin.

    J. F.
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Mostly thrown in for representation purposes without actual character development behind it. That's why we end up with having so many stereotypes in stories

    Lukas-not-Luca (he/him)
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The "gay bff" doesn't exist in my very gay experience- I have the very gay friend group and the token straight friend. It's great lol

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    #12

    Quirky girl in her thirties. Likes to read and has a cat. Had a bad break up and now doesn’t trust love. Will probably get over it by the next nice man she meets!

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    Amy Dodds
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I have 2 cats actually thank you

    Analyn Lahr
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I have four cats but I'm ace so...

    Chloe *Leah* Pheonix
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    See I would love to write a book that was like this but instead of the whole love crisis it was just the diary of a normal twenty-something that own a cat and loves to read and garden

    Yoga Kitty
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Make that a forty-something and you may quote me!

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    Benita Valdez
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Dammit I knew there was a reason for this c**p. I got dogs instead of cats so that shifted things off course. Too late now. Guess I should see what I should do for my 40's so I don't screw it up again

    Tracy
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Same except I’m in my early 50’s and feed the community cats. Oh, and I live at the end of my street.

    MimSorensson
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    When one is in one’s thirties, one is no longer a “girl”. At that age one has earned right to be defined as a woman, reading interest and cats or no.

    Nina
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    These characters are always portrayed as pathetic rather than unique as well.

    Hobby Hopper
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think that one's a trope because it's just so relatable (I'm guessing - I'm male among other differences).

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    #13

    I hate it when physical characteristics replace personality - hooded eyes meaning someone (especially a male character) is sexy and deep; long silky hair in an unusally-used color (raven, chestnut, wheat, etc.), especially on a girl, means she's sexy and smart. I don't care about hair or eyes or anything like that. Forward the plot, please.

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    Yeah, you heard
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yep, and telling me the colour of people's eyes. I haven't noticed the eye colour of most of my best friends, why would I need to know the eye colour of someone in a novel?

    Nikki Owens
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I like to know the color of people's eyes. It gives a more complete picture.

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    Dawn Sardella-Ayres
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I can't believe we're still dealing with the "She's beautiful... she looks like she'd be really nice, too!" in the 2020s. It's even worse when everyone is gobsmacked by her beauty and falls for her. IRL, beauty is far more subjective.

    Awkward Lady
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Agree! I'm reading a novel where the man has black eyes that sparkle...oh please! How many people have black coloured eyes IRL?

    Nemo
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They could be dark brown. That tends to lean black when there's bad lighting. I just read something about people who feel that dark brown eyes give more emotion because of the way the lights reflect in them. Based on that I'd guess the guy has deep, dark brown eyes and there are a lot of light sources around him

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    Giles McArdell
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Probably best you don't try Anime then.

    Jessica Martin
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Jesus Christ, talk about bitchy. I'm starting to hate these posts.

    Amy Taylor
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And can't the pretty girl ever be interesting besides her physical beauty!! Can she ever be awkward and not a b***h?? I have a lot of gorgeous friends that are just as insecure as the rest of us.

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    #14

    Group of completely different people end up stuck with each other, go through something tough, and then after three days they are all calling each other their “new family”, despite not knowing anything about them.

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    Jaime
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I don’t know, I’m rather fond of found family stuff

    Paul Davis
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Three days? Try a couple of hours, tops. I particularly love one Resident Evil game where Leon must have spent 20 minutes with Ada Wong and a few minutes after that is screaming about how "I KNOW Ada! She would never do that!!"

    Dawn Sardella-Ayres
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    We all know what would actually happen in the week after The Breakfast Club.

    v.r_taylor@yahoo.com
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It was never stated or implied that they all (outside the couple of pair ups) became BFFs after the detention. Once I got past the adolescent age this movie was aimed at I found it far more unbelievable that they would, in the first place, have ever gotten into such deep revelation during an 8 hour confinement period. They would have each ignored each other during that time the same as they did during any other school day.

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    thEBOrdeSTpaNDA
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Ok no but 'trauma bonding' is an actual thing

    Winter
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's a fellowship! I love this trope.

    William Friedrich
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This feels real to me though. It describes most of my years in USMC infantry.

    Bruce Horton
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    3 years ago

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    #15

    The stories where a girl has to learn to love herself, and that means ending up dating the Popular Boy, who has never noticed her before. Same as the protagonists who take off their glasses and put a dress and makeup on and end up being the belle of the ball. How can they not have blurry vision with their glasses off??

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    Dawn Sardella-Ayres
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The power of love magically fixes their eyesight. (I wish I was kidding, but I've had romance mss rejected because the FMC's disability wasn't fixed/healed by the romantic relationship. Yes, in the 2020s.)

    Liu Woods
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Ugh, that sucks! Meanwhile pretty much everyone with a disability hates that trope and wants to see someone like them loved for who they are... people should get with the times and what audiences really want

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    necessary cephalopod
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Can attest: fell in love with a hot guy and never needed glasses again. Oh wait I did get contact lenses...

    Greta Kolding
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    In my big fat Greek wedding it is contact lenses

    Boreddd🇺🇦
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I have glasses, rarely wear dresses and don't wear make-up, yet I think I look amazing

    Susan Reid Smith
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I can wear thick glasses or I can squint and struggle to see. Glasses are just part of the package.

    Pumpkin Spice
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I want a book where a nerdy girl meets a bunch of popular girls who take her in. They give her a makeover for prom, remove her glasses, and do her makeup. She's squinting and stumbling around, and one of the popular girls is like, "You know what? Why are we ruining her vision? Here, babe, take your glasses back. Keep the makeup on if you want. You don't owe anyone to look a certain way." All the others agree, and the nerdy girl does too. They help her find a comfortable dress, and give up their own dresses (picked by their parents) for comfier ones as well. They all go to the dance and have fun together, and remain lifelong friends! Eventually, the nerdy girl gets a job as a programmer and shows them how to code. One of the popular girls becomes a psychologist. Another gets married and everybody else in the squad are there to support her as her bridesmaids. Two others become really popular streamers after the nerdy one introduced them to video games. They live happily ever after!

    Timothy Ellis
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What is wrong with a girl wearing glasses anyway? Has nobody ever been hot for teacher?

    #16

    In crime novels: the protagonist does not seek law enforcement assistance for their relatively simple predicament because *insert feeble excuse here*, but by the end of the novel, same protagonist is in a situation that commandeers 17 police officers, 3 crime scene investigators, 2 ambulances (1 for him/her self, another for the dead vilain), a forensic pathologist, doctors and nurses to treat their injuries, a frustrated DA office, an overwhelmed but extremely relieved spouse...

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    Honu
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Though the dead villain has often confessed, being somehow recorded or witnessed by others so the fact that the protagonist has spoiled all the evidence they have found, so it would never be admitted to trial, is irrelevant.

    Katie Lutesinger
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Or they do contact the police and the police do nothing because of reasons.

    Kelly Kenrick
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The detectives not thinking of something obvious that the reader thinks of almost immediately. Doesn’t mean we can solve the case, but it’s overlooked by the people who are supposed to be able to think outside the box

    Boreddd🇺🇦
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You should try A good girl's guide to murder. It does kinda fit into this category, but it's one of the best books I've ever read

    #17

    Honestly, I love most awful cliché tropes, I'm a sucker for a bad boy, I love a wiseass best friend, and I'm obsessed with a raging badass female lead. - But I can't stand the awkward, clumsy, mousy, shy girl who has no self-confidence and no personality and somehow everyone's inexplicably obsessed with her. I like a girl with substance, a Carstairs girl, or someone out of a Marissa Meyer novel. I love a girl that deserves the attention she gets.

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    BlockDog02
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yes, I am that girl and nobody cares xD. Ok, my confidence got better lately, but still.

    Dave van Es
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Glad to hear your confidence got better. You've got this

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    Nudge
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    seriously though *aHEM* Bella Swan and whatever the main character of Shatter Me is named I already forgot

    Ruby
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    One time saw a movie where the main character was one of those clumsy, shy, awkward girls. Like... she literally dropped all her books whilst just standing somewhere. But SOMEHOW she became a master spy within a week

    Raccoon panda
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I’ve no problem with a mousy person. Just with lazy personality writing. Couldn’t she at least be someone with a reason behind her anxiety? Like maybe her mother’s an abusive wretch who told her every day that she was hideous and people would only like her out of pity. And then she progresses to realize it’s a complete lie, and her friend loves her because she’s really authentic and kind, a breath of fresh air that keeps people young. And then she learns to fully step into the beat of her own drum.

    Kate Blake
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You mean Rory Gilmore don't you?

    Dawn Sardella-Ayres
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Stephenie Meyer/EL James took tropes that were problematic, harmful, and/or ridiculous, and rode 'em hard all the way to the money-barn.

    Hobby Hopper
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I've pictured Hermione Granger and Meg Murry for multiples of these posts.

    Jessica Martin
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    How is Hermoine shy, awkward, or clumsy? She's literally one of the most outgoing, social, and well-adjusted characters in Harry Potter. And she has plenty of personality.

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    #18

    In romance teen books, a girl finds a guy, then decides he's too good for her and goes with a nice guy type person instead, but is still drawn towards the first guy, and then at the end of the book returns to him, and finds out he was the one for her all along.

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    Susan Widomski
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Perhaps it is just in classical literature where heroes die more often.

    Lotten Kalenius
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And "nice guy" seems to mean "boring and embarrassing guy", while a man who acts recklessly, smug and kind of violent apparently is Mr Perfect.

    Dawn Sardella-Ayres
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This was present in 80s YA, but the opposite. Girl has nice guy in her life, but longs for the other dude, ends up with him, and finds out it was the nice guy she wanted all along. We got two decades of "nice guy" crap tropes out of this dynamic! (Of course, the "nice guy" isn't always actually nice, either, but we didn't talk about that back then.)

    #19

    The main character's best friend who is better than the main character.

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    Aurelia!
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm looking at you, Samwise Gamgee and Hermione!

    Ozacoter
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I always believed that Rowling wanted to make Hermione the protagonist but she tought that a girl led story wouldnt sell so she made Harry but still favoured Hermione

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    lol idk
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I am sorta thinking of Maze Runners? There was the main character, Thomas, and then the Asian guy who got captured to try to make him look weak. Even though he was so much stronger than Thomas. It's so stupid. the main characters are usually white men and never woman or black people. and now that more movies are having woman as main characters, movies are becoming less popular!! (i feel like this is gonna get downvotes but I'm saying how i feel)

    Minha Khan
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Honestly, we have started having a lot more black leads than we did before, but never brown leads. But I did forget that saying according to Hollywood, “YoU oNlY nEeD rEpReSeNtAtIoN iF yOu ArE bLaCk, AnY oThEr CoLoR oThEr ThAn WhItE iS fAkE.”

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    Nikki Owens
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What does "better" mean, though?

    Alexis minnix
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    James Rhodes, mj (zendaya mj), Bucky barnes, yelena belova, Loki, Valkyrie, (Yes I added siblings but they’re kinda best friends)

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    #20

    Like.... this one unpopular girl, with a lovely personality and beautiful hair and eyes, and the popular mean gal who bullies her. Why are all mean people supposedly popular there? Nobody likes a mean peep

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    Ozacoter
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    To be fair not all popular kids are mean but most bullies are popuoar and mean.

    I is rainbow
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I haven't been "Popular" but I have always been well known and known/befriended the "popular" kids. Only one of them was mean, and I think it was more on accident then on purpose.

    Lorraine R
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Mean kids are only popular with those who don't want to become targets of their meanness.

    Vorknkx
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Mean people can be popular because they are pretty selective in who they are being mean with... you'd never see them being mean to someone who is influential ;)

    Philler Space
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "How could we be popular if nobody liked us? That doesn't make a lick of sense."

    XRaine
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    all of the rude and mean kids at my school were suuuper unpopular

    Anjelika
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And the popular cheerleader is a bully who has so much make up she looks like a clown

    v.r_taylor@yahoo.com
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "Nobody" is on the receiving end of the meanness. If the meanness is not being received there are so many people that do, in fact, like mean people. They're simply not viewed as mean because they are part of the same group.

    lara
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Read many of the posts here?

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    #21

    When a male character is in love with a female character who verbally or physically abuses him.

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    Kady LaHaie
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I've known actual dudes who do that.

    Lukyan Terdal
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And that, kids, is why what SPOP did is not okay.

    Anjelika
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And the female protagonist comes and sweeps him away?

    Jessica Martin
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    *cough* Goku and Chichi *cough* (Though he technically wasn't in love with her but he stays with her anyway just because she cooks him good food.)

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    #22

    I'm a Strong Female Protagonist! I look down on things like cleaning, cooking and sewing! I live in filth and if I need to reattach a button I just punch it. I drink straight grain alcohol and eat raw meat! Grrrl Power!

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    JustABoredwing
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    How come nobody in any apocalypse shows likes sewing? I mean, somebody has to know how to sew if everybody is still walking around in clothes, right?

    I is rainbow
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    yes, punching buttons and eating raw meat is considered girl power xD.

    Aurelia!
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    To be fair, there are some strong, badass women out there who clean, cook, and sew, both in real life and in fiction.

    Pizzagirl 91
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sometimes you HAVE to be badass to do all that - like yesterday, when I took on the toilet cleaning after our family of four had stomach flu for several days... I felt like I'd slain dragons after I was done!

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    Nudge
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    hahaha literally 😂😂😂

    Susan Reid Smith
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Did someone say sewing? I'll mend people's clothes so they can be protected while saving the world.

    lakitha tolbert
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I don't like the trope of denigrating women who knit or like cats as if those things were wrong somehow!!!

    Melanie Burlock
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Wouldn’t any “strong” protagonist that lives this way be annoying?

    thEBOrdeSTpaNDA
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Hello Valkyrie from Thor Ragnarok who I forgot the name of (Edit: does she even have a name?)

    Vorknkx
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    According to the MCU Wiki, her name is Brunnhilde.

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    #23

    Well, I don't like the token gay friend, there's never just one, in a friend group that has a gay friend, its more likely to have a token straight friend. It's not that the gay friend turns everyone gay, it's just that everyone realizes they have been gay. And I also don't like the girl who takes off her glasses and puts down her hair and puts on a nice outfit and boom all of a sudden she's the most beautiful girl ever and everybody likes her. Like, no, everyone's beautiful no matter what, let her wear her glasses, let her wear a ponytail, let her wear leggings and a t-shirt, she's beautiful, she doesn't need to change, everyone else needs to change the way they look at her.

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    I is rainbow
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I was, more or less, the token straight friend and then I realized ✨I'm Bi✨

    Emilycookie
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    and i'm gay. i think sarah in my friend group is the token straight friend.

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    BlockDog02
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    With the girl thing, I mostly see it on tv shows and movies, but YES. Because of things like that, loads of my friends were scared to get glasses.

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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I have glasses and I feel weird without them, I don't like it, and my friends say "oh you're so pretty without your glasses!" but I'm more comfortable with them, so I keep them on

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    Ozacoter
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That is ridiculous. The idea of a token best friend in general. Why does it need to be now a token hetero that actually is in the closet? Lets respect all sexual preferences.

    Ms. Human Being
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I have the opposite issue, I have reading glasses, and people say I only look pretty in glasses.

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    #24

    I really don't like the stereotypical Strong Female Character. They are not strong, they are two-dimensional and have no personality. Usually all you get is a fight scene or two without any motivations behind their actions. Usually a man is their superior and they're like nO iM tHe SuPeRiOr ToDaY and you're supposed to be like "yeah!" but then you don't like her enough to care. Oh, and they're always like "I don't need a man to be strong!" but then are in a relationship by the end of the movie and can't do anything by themselves anymore.

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    Broken Angel
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Okay YES. (Katniss, Tris, we're all looking at you)

    Bow, I’m a Slytherin
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    No, Katniss was strong. The movies portrayed her so badly, but if you read the books (written in her POV), you’ll understand how awesome she is.

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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    no no she has dimension she has personality annabeth does not fit in this category she is above this

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    Troux
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I was really disappointed in Captain Marvel because they spent so much time qualifying her as "strong woman" by pitting her against an easily detestable male. Beating up and shutting down a man does not equal girl power.

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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    agreed! Although, the scene where she stole a motorcycle was pretty awesome.

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    Amelia G
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Ok ok but like come on for some reason I feel as if this was written by a man. Some girls are really cool like Katniss (takes care and feeds entire family while surviving two hunger games and more) annabeth chase ( self explanatory honestly) Not tris tho. She kinda sucks. Bella swan doesn't count eaither but like Hermione Granger fricking erased her parents memories of her and punched draco in the face so yea

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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Nope, I'm actually a woman. I feel like flat, two-dimensional female characters are mocking me. Of course there are female characters who ROCK (Hermione!! Annabeth!! And Katniss but not in the last book because the last book sucked!!) but there are so many that are just awful and really not good role models at all. Like Bella or Tris.

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    Draco Malfoy
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I have to agree, these usually seem to be made more to attract a female audience than to actually showcase powerful women

    California Jones
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Cassandra Clare and Marissa Meyer have the best well-rounded female characters. I could rave about Emma Carstairs all day, she's strong, quippy, and would do ANYTHING for those she loves. She hates coffee and preppies and the ocean and she loves chocolate and the beach and sharp objects. Yes, she needs her man, but that's because he's her parabatai, and they grew up joined at the hip, they don't know how to function separately. Perfect fighter. I love her so much, absolute queen.

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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    ohhh my goodness yes! I don't know Emma Carstairs (what is she from?), but I love Marissa Meyer's female characters, especially Nova, Cinder, and Winter. ❤❤

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    D. Pitbull
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Add to that ... somehow "strong female character" somehow also means "will act like a numbnut because it's awesome" - like logic, practicality and just general humane courtesy have NO place in the "strong female" world. She'll cut you off, disregard ALL signs that what she's doing is harmful to others... because she's thinking about HERSELF. so she's STRONG. No... no she's not... she's a selfish, self-entitled brat.

    Honu
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yes. And they often have the character be needlessly rude to people, like that conveys strength. They snap at people and insult people, unlike the actual strong women I know in my life.

    Paige Leissner
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I disagree, badass girls in books can be in a relationship and still be badass, and also they never end up thinking the man is superior

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    #25

    Love triangles. The absolute jerk male character who's the alpha type (yes, the word is used at least once), who's an absolute a-hole to the girl, gets aggressive, always at least 7 times says 'you're not my type, or I won't have sex with you' and then does, still is a d**k, as she falls harder in love with him. Her 'changing' him by the end of the book usually frustrates me the most. Does love change people, sure, do people adapt and compromise in relationships, yeah they should, but you're never gonna fundamentally change someone.

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    Niall Mac Iomera
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That's not what a love triangle is

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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I should have hit enter. They're two separate tropes I don't like but love triangles are self explanatory.

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    Dawn Sardella-Ayres
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I hate the whole "alpha" thing in general. It's not real. It's not healthy. But somehow, the two genres that remain obsessed with "Alpha men" are Romance, and incels.

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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I could probably write a dissertation on the psychology behind romance novels. A lot of it boils down to three things. 1) Power play - that a person could make this powerful assertive person only look at them and they are the one thing that being desires. There's a lot more involved but there's empowerment in it, that ultimately at some point in the novel this alpha character would do anything for you. 2) Protection - despite the overbearing power in that protagonist they'll do anything to protect you, that this person/being would legit take a bullet/sword/alien laser beam for your safety. 3) Security - you'd think the same as protection but it's not. Look at how many billionaire bachelor books are out on market. In some way the "alpha" offers security outside of protection be it financial or taking you out of a bad situation. That's why this is a popular selling point. There's a ton of other things involved but they're the big three aside from the whole fantasy the novel builds.

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    v.r_taylor@yahoo.com
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    In your last sentence, you do realize that everything you stated before the fourth comma is canceled by everything you stated after the fourth comma, don't you?

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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yes. I did it on purpose. While the changes we can invoke in others can be life altering for the most part they're not. It's a series of small things that create the biggest changes. I've seen too many people in actual real life relationships like that. I've seen too many broken hearts because they thought they could change someone. People act differently when they're in love but that doesn't ultimately change them. People can learn to compromise and should learn more about how compromise works. Ultimately though the only one who can change the toxic person is the toxic person themselves.

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    Lara Verne
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's not a love triangle.This is diferent trope, One thing I hate about it is double standart-when guy is chasing girl who's not interested, it's portrayed as romantic, while girl chasing guy is often played for laughs, or portrayed as annoying.

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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I said in an above response I should have hit enter - they were two different tropes.

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    Timothy Ellis
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    A proper love triangle would be the Twilight Saga. Girl falls for a*****e alpha type (Edward) who shuns her. But she has a backup plan 2nd choice dude (Jacob) who is better for her and adores her. But she stubbornly insists that alpha dude is her one and only. Annoying AF.

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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I was referring to two different tropes - I regret not hitting enter.

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    #26

    The old good girl + bad boy plotline. Also, the movies and books and tv shows where the character is completely normal and boring, being picked on, maybe being raised in a bad household and wishing things were different, and then BAM BAM BAM it turns out their humanity's only hope to stop evil and save the world!!!!!!! I mean, don't get me wrong, some people execute this idea pretty flawlessly, but still.

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    Timothy Ellis
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What do the good girl and bad boy have in common? What is it that brings them together? What would they talk about? What do they admire about each other when they have such different values?

    PixxelDust
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Written well, the good girl would envy the bad boy's confidence and the bad boy would admire the good girl's loyalty. But it's never written well, so it's pointless ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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    Random Panda
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    *cough cough gacha hated child turns into hybrid princess cough*

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    Pumpkin Spice
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I want a bad girl + good boy plotline. Good boy tutors bad girl, he learns to loosen up a little and she learns to care more about those around her. They become best friends. Bad girl helps good boy get a date with the football player he's crushing on, the football player agrees and the two start going out. Bad girl is trying her best to stop a vengeful ex from sabotaging the dates, eventually she makes friends with the ex as well.

    #27

    Years ago I stopped reading a author when I saw that in every book the main characters were always described as “devastating beauty/rich beyond compare/immortal" I will admit, I did enjoy reading the Interview with a Vampire books when they were first published... but OMG that trope got annoying

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    Anke Dieken
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I remember reading books by Joy Fielding. I used to enjoy them, but after a few I realised that it was somehow always the male partner in the women's life who was the bad one (and giving bad vibes).

    CD Mills
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What do you want? An ugly, poor, MORTAL vampire? You obviously don't understand fiction.

    KimB
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I do love Anne Rice (she wrote the vampire chronicles) but she focuses so much on the architecture details I get lost and have to re-read it.

    Amy Taylor
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    LOL I remember reading Sweet Valley High books and wanting to vomit every time they described the twins "perfect" looks. All the brunettes were sad pieces of s**t too, lol

    J. F.
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sounds a bit like a few of Ken Follet's books - succesful, beautiful woman with troubled relationship saves the day and gets the perfect guy at the end. Nothing wrong with that, but it gets repetitive fast

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    #28

    love triangles, cop falling for the criminal, fatal love story that ends in death, etc.

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    Analyn Lahr
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I got one but I'm kinda into it: grumpy a*****e meets cheery lunatic and they fall in love.

    Narwhal Blast
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    But but... but... Romeo... and Juliet...

    V33333P
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I mean if it's fatal it does end in death yes

    #29

    The "perfect" girl/boy that has parents that make about a gazillion dollars a day.

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    Shelp
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    this is convenient to the plot I guess

    #30

    The "supposed to be _ but is actually _ whereas friend is supposed to be _ but actually _" or the "I'm different from the other girls".

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    I is rainbow
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    4 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What about "I'm different from other blob fish!" *"hair" flip*

    Historyharlot93
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Rose from Titanic was annoying because she “wasn’t like other girls”. She tried smoking at the breakfast table, read Freud, drank beer and danced in third class, etc. The tragic romance was ok, just her “I’m better than you, my rich family and peers, because I’m a bad girl and know so much more than you ever will!” ( which in a way is true because most of them die) attitude was really just annoying!! I didn’t see her as a strong female character, just a snot. (Same with Bella from Twilight, but I won’t go there)

    #31

    a big fight scene in a hallway

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    #32

    1) When someone (or often multiple people) is running down a narrow passageway with villains using guns are never hit by the bullets. 2) People who hide behind a stuffed couch or chair are perfectly safe from gun fire.

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    Susan Widomski
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Why don't they ever just shoot them in the leg and incapacitate them? Save a lot of boring chases down corridors with always wet pipes and floors and really bad lighting.

    Charlotte A.
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I always wondered why people are always shot in the safety vest so they survive. If you want to take someone out, shoot them in the head and be done with it.

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    Easily Excitable Panda
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You'd think everyone had titanium furniture with throw pillows.

    J. F.
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Or people taking cover anywhere behind a vehicle except the engine - a 5.56 can punch through car doors easily

    Remi
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Some cars do have bullet proofing, but that's so rare you really can't count on some ranom car being one

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    Lukyan Terdal
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Ok, seriously, how DID C-3PO and R2-D2 not get hit? They were walking through some pretty heavy blaster fire, and it's not like they were moving all that fast.

    DC
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Well, you COULD build in massive parts of cast iron into any furniture, it's just you better don't live any upstairs then...

    ADHORTATOR
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The couch in "The Jackal" was not bulletproof - but it is the only one

    #33

    My least favorite, most infuriating literature/film trope is exploiting rape as a superficial or voyeuristic plot point. Enough already!

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    Aeon Flux
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Heartily agree. I wince when violence towards women is used as an accessory to the plot.

    Dawn Sardella-Ayres
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is too common, and often results in the women who has experienced trauma comforting THE MAN about HIS emotions about it. "You could have died! I thought you were dead! How could I live without you?!" Well, okay, but she is the one who spent two days tied up in the trunk of a car, so maybe... talk to a therapist instead of dumping it back on the person who was actually victimized in the situation instead of making her pain about HIM.

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    Helen Haley
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That's why I couldn't watch game of thrones.

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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Me, too. I'd read enough and couldn't finish the books, so I know I didn't want to watch the show.

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    Ozacoter
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yeah Asoiaf... You can have violence against women and rape happen and not show it on screen. But a lot of men seem to like it.

    J. F.
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It helps to villainize the bad guys even more - the majority of people like to see a rapist getting massivley hurt

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    Chloe *Leah* Pheonix
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    A lot of old gacha life glmms would take serious wars, genocides, and rape, and turn it into a quirky plotline for like 10 views.

    #34

    A character that is nerdy/smart and therefore knows everything and succeeds in all intellectual pursuits. "This character has a PhD in astrophysics and chemistry, and will also describe great and lengthy details of animal biology, ancient Mongol customs, supersonic propulsion systems, classical French literature and complex economic systems.....in 8 languages, while playing 3 games of chess." Dr. House and The Big Bang Theory are rampant abusers of this.

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    Ozacoter
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And Bones. I know that its stupid but a big part of ny insecurities as a biology student came from that series. It is impossible to be an expert in all, even inside one subject.

    Vorknkx
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It is realistic with disciplines that are close, e.g. a physicist would normally have excellent math skills, a biologist would normally have excellent knowledge of chemistry as well. But yeah, being a physicist and an expert in Mongol customs is quite a stretch.

    DC
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    ... Dr. House is a totally different class than BBT ... above it. He's a real expert in one field and thrives in driving his superiors nuts, stands up for his beliefs a few times more than visible on first sight ... that makes him likable. While in BBT, which I didn't see much of tbh, I got fed up by that rule-obsessed r****d with his show about flags and changed programs. Seems he's made to display extreme smartity, though ... just didn't reach me.

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    Nikki Owens
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    But polymaths are a real thing, & they're so entertaining! :)

    v.r_taylor@yahoo.com
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's called an exposition character. Go ahead. I challenge you. Write a story with reasonably entertaining depth and breadth that includes all necessary characters to represent ALL aspects that may need exposition in order to be understood by the audience. I guarantee your story would either be derided for lack of character development or wouldn't even be considered simply because it's too long to read because of character development.

    #35

    The dorky, dumpy looking nerdy goof who gets a makeover and ends up wooing the jerky sex-pot who has the personality of a peach pit

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    #36

    I’m not sure if this is a literary trope or just a tv trope, but the military officer not agreeing with a superior officer but say “sir” with the most disdain possible. It doesn’t seem like just the word should be respectful but the tone should be as well.

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    #37

    If the character is a “huge misfit”and “super ugly and shy” but every boy in school has a crush on her

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    J. F.
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    One of the things that screams "Mary Sue" character

    chaotic_charlie (they/he)
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    her name is also something like Heaven Ruby Flowers and she has flowing blonde hair and eyes like sapphires

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    #38

    Mary/Gary Sue style characters. Must say One Punch Man is a great satire of this.

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    Jaime
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Oh yeah, One Punch Man is a fantastic play on that trope

    Ruby
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Once saw an anime, "Sakamoto desu ga?" where the main character was a guy was just perfect. Handsome, smart, could solve every problem, all girls love him, all guys want to be him. It was surprisingly hilarious

    Lara Verne
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I remember Sword Art Online. Main character was ultimate Gary Stu, and it was terribly boring.

    Yeah, you heard
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    No idea who Mary Gary or Sue are.

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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The names come from one of the first known fan fictions, I believe of Star Trek. It describes a character that is very overpowered, can solve every problem or challenge effortlessly and every other main character loves and respects her instantly. Gary is just the male version. Rey from the recent Star Wars trilogy is a good example IMHO. She has thick plot armour (can't really be hurt) gets whatever powers or gimmicks when needed to progress (with little effort) and her whole life almost runs on rails to gether to the next place the story needs her to be to blow trough more paper thin bad guys etc. Mary and Gary make for very uninteresting stories.

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    #39

    Not a big fan of the heist/detective tropes, I find it hard to follow the story because most of the times it bores me to death.

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    Aurelia!
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Really? I loooooooove detective fiction

    Easily Excitable Panda
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Have you read the Stevie Bell mysteries? ("Truly Devious" is the first one.) There's a side character who is non-binary, but that's not their chief attribute. And Stevie is smart, funny, and ready to kick butt as necessary.

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    Lorraine R
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    4 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Well-written detective fiction isn't like that. Try some of the classics - Sherlock Holmes, Miss Marple, etc. Then check out Tony Hillerman and Ellis Peters.

    Nudge
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    it depends a lot on what you're reading. One of my favorite books of all time is kind of mystery/thriller but also teen, it's called I am Princess X and far from boring in my opinion! Then again, I've tried to get through Sherlock Holmes like 7 times and it's so dry I can't--

    Roadkill The Brave
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Have you ever read Monkeywrench py P.J. Tracy? The series cracks me up but it's pretty good.

    #40

    1) The Chosen one (I love HP but this is overused) 2) Damsel in Distress (obvi) 3) That one lady whose cattiness and pettiness are over-exaggerated 4) The gay sidekick (why always a sidekick? Why can't we have more gay main characters?) 5) The token ___(insert identity)___ friend 6) The Angry Black Man/Lady (SO many things wrong with this stupid stereotype don't even get me started) 7) White Savior Trope 8) Magical Negro Trope 9) White Woman Syndrome Trope

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    Gay Llama
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I am planning on writing a lesbian love story. I am not going to focus on homophobia though I'm mostly just gonna make it a regular love story except lesbians instead of straight. I'm probably never gonna finish it though lol. Like most of my stories.

    Easily Excitable Panda
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    4 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Patrick Ness has some marvelous gay lead characters; so does Adam Silvera. If you're a fan of science fiction, I recommend Max Gladstone - most of his leads are female, but homosexuality and trans are more the norm than not in his Craft Sequence.

    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's basically describing how when white women go missing everyone panics, but when women of color go missing society tends to pay less attention or brush it off

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    Thenatural
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Add sexually aggressive ghetto momma to that as well.....

    Katie Fink
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Mercedes lackey 'magic's p**n'.

    Shelby P
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    RE: 3) That one lady whose cattiness and pettiness are over-exaggerated --- I work with this woman, she's a real person and annoying af...

    Gene Perry
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    10 WiSe, all-knowing Black grand-ma.

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    #41

    People who act like "The cops can't get involved" And "I can handle it myself" attitude. Like, why do this? Do you have suicidal thoughts? (Looking at you max pane)

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    Vorknkx
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Max Payne is based on a video game, so the protagnoist is supposed to do most stuff alone (as he would in the game).

    #42

    Heinlein's women: smart, capable, and sassy, yet, somehow aroused by making their man a sandwich.

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    Nikki Owens
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Naw, I like them. The only thing I can't stand is his ubiquitous polyamory.

    Lorraine R
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That's Wyoming and Hazel. But there's also the whiny narcissistic mother/wife who thinks everyone's life should revolve around her.

    Lara Verne
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You mean Robert A. Heinlein? His stories were full of sexist tropes. Especially Friday: This character is smart, powerful and beautiful. She get tortured and gang raped and acts like it's no big deal, She's not sad, traumatized or angry. She even declide that one of her rapists is decent guy, because he let her use bathroom. In the end, she marry him and is happy about that.

    #43

    Oh also- another trope I’m quite sick of- twins being photo-copies of each other or always having something to do with the other. I know it makes for interesting characters and fuels the plot and there are some twin characters in literature that I admire, but in reality (I don’t know how it’s like for identical twins) having a fraternal twin brother is only like having another sibling. There’s nothing so special about it, we don’t finish each other’s sentences, we’re entirely different people, and our interests and friend groups are full on different. I’ve had people ask if I can feel his pain or read his mind. No! It’s actually quite boring!!

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    RUBAYY
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My youngest brothers are identical twins and they dont look the same lol

    v.r_taylor@yahoo.com
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Don't look the same to you because you have a more intimate relationship with them and therefore know their differences or don't look the same from the standpoint of a stranger first meeting them and being able to truly identify one or the other because of readily visible differences? There is a vast difference between the two.

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    thEBOrdeSTpaNDA
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The only identical twins who can pull this off are fred and george because they are LEGENDS

    DC
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Kinda true ... although my sister and I would get through a day without using actual words...

    v.r_taylor@yahoo.com
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    When you say we above are you speaking for all fraternal twins or simply anecdotally for yourself and your fraternal twin?

    #44

    The girl meets her boss in the elevator, then scores her boss and a promotion. She "earned" it.

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    #45

    A computer "expert" who spends 9 seconds rapidly typing on a keyboard before announcing "I'm in!" as he hacks the Pentagon, UN, Alien Mother ship, or a Denny's in Albuquerque. (Its even better when a complete doofus character figures out a password on the second guess by looking at items on the persons desk.)

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    Lee
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    “*keyboard smash* I’ve hacked the fbi. we have ten seconds before the firewall closes again.” or “we’re gonna need to go into ... the dark web.”

    Sage Gusano
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The film Fortress 2 where they guy literally types "download virus".

    Vorknkx
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    People who come up with this stuff have obviously never worked with MS-DOS in their lives...

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    Vorknkx
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This password trope is so silly, indeed. "Hmmm, this guy has a lot of flowers in his office, so the password is, obviously, TULIP. I'm in!"

    #46

    When tough cops or something laugh after getting slapped in the face

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    I is rainbow
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Or anyone. Its THE most annoying thing in any book.

    #47

    The absent minded/klutzy smart person.

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    Roadkill The Brave
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Aw crap, I guess I gotta go get my klutz and absent minded card revoked. The floors gonna miss me, the walls will miss their hugs, and maybe I'll find my keys or those 4 documents I can't remember what I named but I know are somewhere on my work laptop.

    I am avoiding my homework
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Hey why did you discribe (might be spelled wrong) me

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    #48

    The gorgeous, confident, smart heroine who falls for the goodhearted but really homely sidekick of the irresistibly handsome hero, instead of the hero (who, of course, also ends up with a gorgeous woman). I'm still waiting for the handsome hero to find love with the goodhearted but plain and frumpy friend of the gorgeous heroine, but I doubt that will happen anytime soon.

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    Dawn Sardella-Ayres
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    THANK YOU! I hate that these kinds of tropes are never gender-flipped or queered in any way. Well, unless she has a makeover and becomes a "hot girl."

    JB
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It may not happen again soon but it has happened. Georgette Heyer, A Civil Contract. And Elizabeth Goudge, Green Dolphin Country; just two examples. I hated both books until I grew up enough to recognize that external beauty isn’t enough to justify deep emotional connection. Reading them again (and again) as a ‘grown up’, you don’t have to be an 8/10+ on the physical beauty scale if your inner beauty matches the needs of your SO.

    #49

    Comic relief characters.

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    Easily Excitable Panda
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    When they're well done, they're magnificent. When they're badly done (which is most of the time), you wish you'd never bothered to learn to read.

    Virgil Blue
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Jarjar comes to mind. If he had ben toned down a notch or 5 he could have been a fun diversion I stead of the annoyance he became.

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    #50

    For characters here's my list of cliches: Femme Fatales Love Triangles Unreasonable asshat bully/jock. Antihero-main (usually male) character's family member/love-intrest/child/pet killed so the plot can progress to vengenance. Supergenius completely evil arch nemisis/overlord. Save the world from secret weapon/conspiracy.

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    #51

    I HATE the 'white girl in high school who has blond hair and blue eyes and perfect skin and wears high heels and really short skirts and is snobby'

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    Norma
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That's because you didn't have to deal with her. Every. Single. Day.

    Chloe *Leah* Pheonix
    Community Member
    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Dont forget they still call their dad "Daddy"

    #52

    1. People "falling in love" in less than 24 hours and/or kissing near-strangers passionately for no apparent reason ("Nerve", I'm looking at you!). 2. Humans engaging in sexual relations with aliens from another planet... uh, hello, b********y? Just no. 3. The romanticizing & glamorizing of vampirism & other spiritually dark themes in teen lit. 4. The way every book or show aimed at kids & teens has to be like a "United Nations of Beneton" ad, and the characters all have to have "relevant issues" & depression & identity crises, etc. What happened to stories about normal, happy kids having adventures? 5. The "hypocritical/repressed Christian" and "narrow-minded/judgmental Christian who's really just ignorant or afraid of what s/he doesn't understand" trope that Hollywood absolutely looooves to throw into movies & tv shows. Usually this is some one-dimensional cartoon-villain character who reflects about a 3rd-grader's understanding of what Christianity actually means, but is supposed to learn an important lesson about tolerance, or whatever. This trope is both incredibly ignorant & incredibly condescending.

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    TS Rhodes
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The problem is that so many so-called "Christian" people actually have a 3rd grader's understanding of their own religion, and just use it as an excuse to feel superior and to hurt other people.

    Eunice Probert
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    1. To be fair, I met my husband at an SF convention and we were kissing within an hour. We have now been married for 32 years.

    Mareike Hartmann
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So sex with an Alien is instantly be*******y? Extremely short thinking!

    Populus tremuloides(they/them)
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The kind of perilous adventures these kids are having can't realistically happen without producing trauma though