Woman Shocked As Dad Complains About Her Daughter Ordering Expensive Meal While He Was Paying
Interview With ExpertIt’s often said that ‘manners maketh man,’ but it can be hard to figure out exactly what etiquette is applicable in which situation. People also have subjective rules that they like to live by, and if you don’t know about or follow those, it might make you seem rude.
This is the dilemma a woman faced when her dad got angry that his granddaughter wasn’t following his etiquette rule. He couldn’t stand the fact that the teen ordered something more expensive than he did when he was paying for their meal, and that set him off.
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Sometimes people might come across as disrespectful, especially if they are unaware of a particular rule of etiquette
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The poster shared that her dad is a frugal man and usually likes eating at home, but once when they came over, he decided to take them out for breakfast
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At breakfast, the man’s granddaughter ordered a chicken-fried steak, which he didn’t seem to be happy about since he was paying
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Once back home, the man shouted over the fact that his grandkid lacked manners and didn’t know that guests should never order costlier items than the host
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The poster found it shocking that her dad would make such a fuss over this, and defended her daughter
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The woman explained that her daughter is a very respectful kid and always spends time with her grandparents, which is why this situation came out of left-field
As the woman mentioned, her dad has always been a very frugal person. Due to his intense focus on savings, he managed to get a home, build a good nest egg, and invest in multiple rental properties. It seems like he was able to achieve all of his financial goals due to his thriftiness.
There’s a big difference between people who are frugal and those who are too focused on penny-pinching. Most folks who are thrifty spend money on things they really need and also believe in quality over quantity, whereas overly cautious savers might keep hoarding money to their detriment and by compromising on their relationships with others.
It seems like the grandpa is more of a thrifty man, because he felt that it was okay to treat his grandkid and daughter to breakfast. Once there, he did seem uncomfortable when his granddaughter asked for something that was more expensive than what he had ordered. This didn’t sit well with him.
He seems to have a strict rule of etiquette that guests shouldn’t order anything costlier than the meal the host gets for themselves. These kinds of beliefs about behavior often come from a desire to be considerate to everyone around. It doesn’t mean that folks have to always be on their best behavior, but it’s more about having meaningful relationships built on respect.
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The grandpa didn’t approve of his granddaughter’s behavior at the restaurant. He stewed over the matter for a while and then blew up at the OP and her kid later on. He felt that the teen lacked manners and should be taught not to order such costly things when she’s invited out for a meal.
To understand a bit more about this situation, Bored Panda reached out to Lisa Mirza Grotts, also known as the golden rules gal, who is a lifestyle and etiquette expert. She has written many books on the subject and her recent one called ‘A Traveler’s Passport to Etiquette’ is out now.
She mentioned that “chivalry can be as delicate as a cheese soufflé. The rule is simple: when someone opens their wallet, match their tone, mood, and meal. When someone else is paying—especially a parent or grandparent—there’s an unspoken rule: follow their lead.”
She added that “if grandpa orders a hamburger, it’s not the moment to order surf and turf. This isn’t about greed—it’s about respect. Golden rule: when someone treats, don’t compete!” We also asked Lisa how the grandpa could share his views on the situation without calling out his grandkid for being ill-mannered.
She advised, “try this next time: ‘I love treating you, but let’s keep it simple today—I’ll be having the BLT.’ A subtle signal. Still generous, still gracious.” He could also say ‘when I was young, we were always taught that when someone else is paying, you follow their lead—it was our way of showing appreciation.’ A gentle teachable moment. Not a lecture, just legacy.”
It’s clear that the grandpa holds his rule of etiquette close to his heart. He should have communicated this to his daughter and granddaughter before taking them out for a meal. Surely, they would have respected his wishes, and it wouldn’t have led to this kind of misunderstanding.
Do you have any personal rules about good manners that you firmly believe in, like this? Do share them in the comments.
Folks mostly sided with the poster and felt that her dad was being a cheapskate for throwing a fit over something like this
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It's not exactly his treat if he's going to be that much of a stickler about costs. Setting a specific dollar limit up front is fine. Saying "Make sure it doesn't cost more than what I order" is a bit much. If he orders just a coffee and a donut, should a growing teenager go hungry?
It's a control tactic, he's saying: I'm the boss here, and I get to decide how much food you get. I'm sure it makes him feel all big and important.
Load More Replies...It's one thing to order lobster and expensive champagne on someone's tab, and a completely different thing to order a diner fired steak. Dad is cheap af. I would give him back the $15 or so that it cost, and pay for my own meals from now on. He can keep the passive agressive comments to himself.
Gift him a Christmas Carole every birthday/ Christmas etc
Load More Replies...The father is wrong: there is no such rule. There is the unspoken agreement that you don't pick dishes that are obviously expensive, but if the host orders a salad then you are free to order fish fingers. Not a lobster though. I don't think the father really knows about etiquette: if he did, he would know that you never comment on the choices your guests make when you invite them to dinner, be they family or not. That's considered bad hosting.
Agree him disrespecting guests in his home is a bigger deal than anything the daughter and her daughter may have done, which I think they did nothing wrong.
Load More Replies...I'd probably just say "welp, I'll pay the difference" to shut him up, but OP is NTA and Grandpa shouldn't invite people out if he's suck a stingy f***. I agree that if it was lobster or steak or fish of the day you might be a bit pissed, but fried chicken? Come on.
I'd pay for the whole meal and ask him never to invite us out again. We don't need that kind of stressful generosity.
Load More Replies...absolutely not acceptable for him to do this. first he grumbled bout it which is passive aggressive as hell then stewed on it and then full on talks down to his granddaughter about a rule he never ever discussed prior. if he cant afford it, he should stay home and if it were my kid, she wouldnt be visiting anymore until an apology from him was issued.
No, this is not a normal rule of etiquette, sweetums. If you don't want to loosen the purse strings, don't offer to take people out for breakfast.
I would've paid him for both of our meals since his pocket is clearly tight and not visited for a while. This type of thing annoys me. if there’s a price limit, be clear beforehand not complain about it after.
There can be an element of respect and etiquette involved, between adults, particularly strangers/new acquaintances. There are several ways I might deal with it. One would be to not mention that I'm going to pay until afterwards, so folks can just order whatever they want and would normally choose. In some situations you specifically want to make it clear that you're paying, so sometimes I will pick one of the more expensive items on the menu and make sure I mention the fact, so if I'm paying 50 francs (roughly 60 US dollars, and yes, welcome to Switzerland) for a fillet steak then they'll not feel constrained to order something at the cheaper end just to avoid the cost. It's up to me as the host to make sure any 'rules' are clearly understood.
What a miserable old grump. Both sets of my daughter's grandparents aim to spoil her, regardless of how well of the are or aren't. Also, I've never heard of that rule of etiquette. Not saying it's not a rule, just that I've never heard of it. Like OP, the rule I'm more familiar with is not to go too over-the-top if someone else is paying, but it doesn't sound like this was the case at all.
He's a landlord and cheap. I feel for all those people renting from him. Bet he is a stereotypical awful landlord. Never heard of getting a dish that's cheaper than the person who paying. I've only heard don't get the most expensive items. A 15 year old is thinking "I'm hungry, what should I get?" The grandfather sounds controlling and Mom should rethink bringing her daughter around because how he yelled at her could be the start of abuse. Remember just because people are related doesn't mean they need to have a relationship.
He has a weird sense of etiquette. Your daughter didn't do anything wrong and he is a major cheapskate and needs to apologize to both of you.
And the OP specified he ordered a small meal. So he was expecting his guests to do the same and go hungry?
"Can't order anything more expensive than me?" Personally, I've NEVER heard anything that ridiculous. Sure, it's a personal rule of mine that if someone is buying I make a reasonable choice with the cost in mind even if they're saying to get whatever I want. That isn't carte blanche to get filet mignon and lobsters, it just means to get what I want within reason. I try to keep it close to what my host is getting but usually under. Expecting people to only get something of equal value or less is asinine if you're offering to pay. Especially with a cheapskate like this guy, who probably get the cheapest, bare minimum meal every time. I'd rather just pay myself than feel like I owed someone like this anything.
So in his world, the payer must always order first, and then allow all the others more time so they can adjust their order to be less than the payers? How is this even the least bit practical? In that case, the payer must always announce to the rest of the table exactly what they've decided on and either how much it costs or where it is on the menu so the guests can now be informed of the price limit. Gramps didn't do that. He's the j.e.r.k.
Just order toast, ask if butter is extra, ask if jelly is extra and just water. Or order whatever you want and pay for it yourself. Oh and pay for his meal too.
When anyone asks me out and choses the place I must assume he or she is able to afford the prices. If it turns out the price is a problem I would of course offer to pay my share, but maybe not have anything much to do with that person again, because I would feel cheated.
Thats *his* rule of etiquette, with the rest if society as long as its not the most expensive stuff on the menu or excessive amounts of food then a menu item a little more expensive than the bill payers is fine, especially when, as OP said, they order a small plate
I admit when we were going 50/50 I was annoyed my grandson ordered steak that he didn't eat, but he was full up with fried pickles that I ordered as an appetizer. I know in my family we all eat our leftovers. So only mildly miffed, because he ate it later.
The other thing is someone ordering f*cking chicken fried steak at a diner set him off so much that he was passively aggressively grumbling under his breath and then went off on them about it later. This wasn't lobster or filet mignon. Was this a Michelin starred chicken fried steak because, JFC, IT'S CHICKEN FRIED STEAK. It's peasant food, essentially and doesn't really cost that much more than a regular meal at most places that serve it.
In general, I agree with the rule. Always order something priced in the middle when it's someone's treat. Taking advantage of others' generosity is rude and crass. But in this incident, unless the chicken fried steak is the most expensive item on the menu, I'd say Dad is losing his bits.
This is a rule, but it usually applies only to something totally out of proportion. Had the daughter ordered a roast-beef dinner, I could see it, but a chicken-fried steak as a luxury meal? Nah.
She should have given the cheap b@stard a $10 bill then never gone back. Obviously, if it meant so much to him he would have given this "lesson" to his daughter and it would not have been a surprise to her when the 💩 hit the fan. Personally I'd never eat a piece of toast in that guy's house that I didn't bring myself. Oh, and I wouldn't take my daughter there to be subject to that nonsense.
The etiquette rule is you order something from the middle price point or lower unless your host orders something expensive. Then you can order anything equal or less than your host.
What? Who gets to decide what "expensive" is? Why would you need so many pointless and dumb "etiquette" rules just for eating food? This isn't 1800s Victorian England, society shouldn't be controlled by dumb, arbitrary rules that dictate how to be polite
Load More Replies...It wasn't the priciest thing on the menu. It was chicken fried steak.
Load More Replies...Chicken-fried steak is a pretty common breakfast food in the Midwest (where the story takes place)
Load More Replies...Where do you live that they don't have chicken fried steak for breakfast? I've never heard of such a thing.
Load More Replies...Nothing faddish about this particular restaurant etiquette. It hasn't changed in many, many decades. When someone else is paying, order from the midpoint cost of menu downward. That is the only etiquette that applies and it's not new, nor a fad.
Load More Replies...It's not exactly his treat if he's going to be that much of a stickler about costs. Setting a specific dollar limit up front is fine. Saying "Make sure it doesn't cost more than what I order" is a bit much. If he orders just a coffee and a donut, should a growing teenager go hungry?
It's a control tactic, he's saying: I'm the boss here, and I get to decide how much food you get. I'm sure it makes him feel all big and important.
Load More Replies...It's one thing to order lobster and expensive champagne on someone's tab, and a completely different thing to order a diner fired steak. Dad is cheap af. I would give him back the $15 or so that it cost, and pay for my own meals from now on. He can keep the passive agressive comments to himself.
Gift him a Christmas Carole every birthday/ Christmas etc
Load More Replies...The father is wrong: there is no such rule. There is the unspoken agreement that you don't pick dishes that are obviously expensive, but if the host orders a salad then you are free to order fish fingers. Not a lobster though. I don't think the father really knows about etiquette: if he did, he would know that you never comment on the choices your guests make when you invite them to dinner, be they family or not. That's considered bad hosting.
Agree him disrespecting guests in his home is a bigger deal than anything the daughter and her daughter may have done, which I think they did nothing wrong.
Load More Replies...I'd probably just say "welp, I'll pay the difference" to shut him up, but OP is NTA and Grandpa shouldn't invite people out if he's suck a stingy f***. I agree that if it was lobster or steak or fish of the day you might be a bit pissed, but fried chicken? Come on.
I'd pay for the whole meal and ask him never to invite us out again. We don't need that kind of stressful generosity.
Load More Replies...absolutely not acceptable for him to do this. first he grumbled bout it which is passive aggressive as hell then stewed on it and then full on talks down to his granddaughter about a rule he never ever discussed prior. if he cant afford it, he should stay home and if it were my kid, she wouldnt be visiting anymore until an apology from him was issued.
No, this is not a normal rule of etiquette, sweetums. If you don't want to loosen the purse strings, don't offer to take people out for breakfast.
I would've paid him for both of our meals since his pocket is clearly tight and not visited for a while. This type of thing annoys me. if there’s a price limit, be clear beforehand not complain about it after.
There can be an element of respect and etiquette involved, between adults, particularly strangers/new acquaintances. There are several ways I might deal with it. One would be to not mention that I'm going to pay until afterwards, so folks can just order whatever they want and would normally choose. In some situations you specifically want to make it clear that you're paying, so sometimes I will pick one of the more expensive items on the menu and make sure I mention the fact, so if I'm paying 50 francs (roughly 60 US dollars, and yes, welcome to Switzerland) for a fillet steak then they'll not feel constrained to order something at the cheaper end just to avoid the cost. It's up to me as the host to make sure any 'rules' are clearly understood.
What a miserable old grump. Both sets of my daughter's grandparents aim to spoil her, regardless of how well of the are or aren't. Also, I've never heard of that rule of etiquette. Not saying it's not a rule, just that I've never heard of it. Like OP, the rule I'm more familiar with is not to go too over-the-top if someone else is paying, but it doesn't sound like this was the case at all.
He's a landlord and cheap. I feel for all those people renting from him. Bet he is a stereotypical awful landlord. Never heard of getting a dish that's cheaper than the person who paying. I've only heard don't get the most expensive items. A 15 year old is thinking "I'm hungry, what should I get?" The grandfather sounds controlling and Mom should rethink bringing her daughter around because how he yelled at her could be the start of abuse. Remember just because people are related doesn't mean they need to have a relationship.
He has a weird sense of etiquette. Your daughter didn't do anything wrong and he is a major cheapskate and needs to apologize to both of you.
And the OP specified he ordered a small meal. So he was expecting his guests to do the same and go hungry?
"Can't order anything more expensive than me?" Personally, I've NEVER heard anything that ridiculous. Sure, it's a personal rule of mine that if someone is buying I make a reasonable choice with the cost in mind even if they're saying to get whatever I want. That isn't carte blanche to get filet mignon and lobsters, it just means to get what I want within reason. I try to keep it close to what my host is getting but usually under. Expecting people to only get something of equal value or less is asinine if you're offering to pay. Especially with a cheapskate like this guy, who probably get the cheapest, bare minimum meal every time. I'd rather just pay myself than feel like I owed someone like this anything.
So in his world, the payer must always order first, and then allow all the others more time so they can adjust their order to be less than the payers? How is this even the least bit practical? In that case, the payer must always announce to the rest of the table exactly what they've decided on and either how much it costs or where it is on the menu so the guests can now be informed of the price limit. Gramps didn't do that. He's the j.e.r.k.
Just order toast, ask if butter is extra, ask if jelly is extra and just water. Or order whatever you want and pay for it yourself. Oh and pay for his meal too.
When anyone asks me out and choses the place I must assume he or she is able to afford the prices. If it turns out the price is a problem I would of course offer to pay my share, but maybe not have anything much to do with that person again, because I would feel cheated.
Thats *his* rule of etiquette, with the rest if society as long as its not the most expensive stuff on the menu or excessive amounts of food then a menu item a little more expensive than the bill payers is fine, especially when, as OP said, they order a small plate
I admit when we were going 50/50 I was annoyed my grandson ordered steak that he didn't eat, but he was full up with fried pickles that I ordered as an appetizer. I know in my family we all eat our leftovers. So only mildly miffed, because he ate it later.
The other thing is someone ordering f*cking chicken fried steak at a diner set him off so much that he was passively aggressively grumbling under his breath and then went off on them about it later. This wasn't lobster or filet mignon. Was this a Michelin starred chicken fried steak because, JFC, IT'S CHICKEN FRIED STEAK. It's peasant food, essentially and doesn't really cost that much more than a regular meal at most places that serve it.
In general, I agree with the rule. Always order something priced in the middle when it's someone's treat. Taking advantage of others' generosity is rude and crass. But in this incident, unless the chicken fried steak is the most expensive item on the menu, I'd say Dad is losing his bits.
This is a rule, but it usually applies only to something totally out of proportion. Had the daughter ordered a roast-beef dinner, I could see it, but a chicken-fried steak as a luxury meal? Nah.
She should have given the cheap b@stard a $10 bill then never gone back. Obviously, if it meant so much to him he would have given this "lesson" to his daughter and it would not have been a surprise to her when the 💩 hit the fan. Personally I'd never eat a piece of toast in that guy's house that I didn't bring myself. Oh, and I wouldn't take my daughter there to be subject to that nonsense.
The etiquette rule is you order something from the middle price point or lower unless your host orders something expensive. Then you can order anything equal or less than your host.
What? Who gets to decide what "expensive" is? Why would you need so many pointless and dumb "etiquette" rules just for eating food? This isn't 1800s Victorian England, society shouldn't be controlled by dumb, arbitrary rules that dictate how to be polite
Load More Replies...It wasn't the priciest thing on the menu. It was chicken fried steak.
Load More Replies...Chicken-fried steak is a pretty common breakfast food in the Midwest (where the story takes place)
Load More Replies...Where do you live that they don't have chicken fried steak for breakfast? I've never heard of such a thing.
Load More Replies...Nothing faddish about this particular restaurant etiquette. It hasn't changed in many, many decades. When someone else is paying, order from the midpoint cost of menu downward. That is the only etiquette that applies and it's not new, nor a fad.
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