Bartender Savagely Kicks A Polite Nazi Customer Out Of His Bar And Explains Why It’s Important To Do So
Tolerance is a virtue that’s mostly perceived as a crucially important brick in order to build a healthy and peaceful society. In a way, tolerance has turned into a mark that embodies the historical progress humanity has made over the years. But here’s a question—is tolerance supposed to have limits?
In 1945, a philosopher named Karl Popper introduced a concept that he called the paradox of tolerance. “Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance,” he wrote. “If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.” In other words, if society is tolerant without any limits, the intolerant people will eventually destroy it. “We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant,” Karl Popper wrote.
Today’s story is closely related to this concept. A Twitter user named @IamRageSparkle recently shared a story about his encounter with a bartender who noticed a customer wearing nazi symbols on his clothes and kicked him out of the bar. This story once again shows us how important it is to try to see people’s true intentions and never tolerate the act of being cruel and those who choose to support awful things.
Here’s the Twitter thread where @IamRageSparkle briefly told the story
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we ignored the growing nazis once and over 100 million people died cause of it, and we are doing again. im Jew and i dont wanna die ina gas chamber cause of the governments and the people ignorance
I just said the other day that the situation in the US reminds me of the pre WWII time.
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Bartender is right. More to the point: LEARN the symbols. They're not always swastikas. Learn them all. Even ones that *might* be ambiguous. The summary of the symbols will equal Nazi. IT CAN HAPPEN ANYWHERE! ... And b/c people don't want to make a scene or b/c "he's a neighbor" or "he goes to church" (?!).... the malignant b----s get stronger.
For reference, some of the main ones include: 88 (the number represents a letter of the alphabet by order, so HH), SS made to look similar to lightning bolts, a version of the Celtic cross with the lower portion made the same length as the other 'arms', a symbol that looks like a Z with a line through the slanted portion, The Death's Head skull, the Imperial Eagle... I highly suggest that people do learn the symbols so they can recognize Nazis and Nazi sympathizers. Zero tolerance.
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I love how blunt, matter of fact and to the point he was. 'No. Get out.' No big philosophical debate, no long winded verbal finger wagging just straight to the point. It solved the problem while giving the guy the absolute minimum amount of attention. A perfect example of 'I ain't got time for your s**t!'
good on the bartender, more people need to have that attitude about this sort of thing
This thing also applies to the group of friends you might end up with. You meet one, they're seemingly nice, until you meet their other friends one by one. As soon as you notice something that's making you uncomfortable, and, more importantly, that "friend's" attitude towards the fact it makes you uncomfortable, don't be afraid of looking like "the bad guy", leave.
Wish someone told me about this 3 years ago. Would have saved me from a lot of borderline criminal abuse.
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A bar is a private establishment and the keeper or owner can "reserve the right not to serve ". No shoes - no shirt - hate symbols on your clothes - NO service.
Search for right wing Neo nazi and white supremacist organisations in the US and you'll be surprised. The US has become the cradle of everything that young Americans only 75 years ago fought against. Organisations that are banned and forbidden in Europe thrive in the US. Idea's, convictions and believes that have cost millions of lives are allowed and preached, all in the name of "Free speech" . How can you call inciting to violence, racism, hate, xenophobia and homophobia "Free speech"? How can you so easily discard the ultimate sacrifice that young Americans made?
If that s**t hits the fan in the US we'll know that "Free Speech" doesn't work so well in those occasions.
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I don't believe in hell, but if anyone ends up there, its Nazis. Scum of the earth.
I have a friend who's related to Nazis and so i am i. What he Did was good
Unfortunately, this bartender will get a lot of flak for his decision. Good call though, respect.
I used to be a bouncer at a bar and I had a group of nazis attempt to come in. It was a slow week night and I was by myself. They outnumbered me by a lot and I was scared, but I held my ground and refused to let them in. I knew the same thing, if they came in once and got a foot-hold, they would be emboldened to come back again and again. F**k nazi scum.
He'll probably get all the flak from the nazis. *bdum tiss*
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My son works in an 'Irish Pub' (in Germany) ... and has kicked out an "influencer couple". They were dressed in fancy clothes and wore expensive jewelry ... there was nothing wrong with that, but they just looked totally out of place. They came from the USA ... and were convinced no one understood them (with an Irish puppy). After taking photos, they made fun of how "shabby" and "old fashioned" the pub was decorated. My son had heard enough at some point and politely but emphatically asked her (in fluent English) to leave the "oh so shabby and old-fashioned pub". They got angry and threatened loudly to make bad reviews on Instagram ... which made everyone in the pub ... 2 employees and about 30 guests ... laugh out loud. As if they were dependent on such guests when the pub was half full ... at 7 pm.
so, sounds like in this case, with overt paraphernalia and medals this guy was a wannabe Nazi. good on the bartender. HOWEVER, in a day and age when people are called Nazi's on a regular basis for no reason besides opposing political views, he better have been seeing swastikas. I have never met a conservative that was pro nazi, yet its shouted 24/7. Everyone i now unanimously thinks the nazis were an evil ideology. hopefully this man observed the former and wasn't practicing the latter...
Most people have no idea what Nazi ideologies were. Conservatives aren't Nazis, but they do promote many of the same policies. So, while calling them Nazis isn't accurate, they're asking for it.
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I think that almost everyone can agree that Nazi ideology looking back was a horrible thing. but take a look thru the lens of post treaty of versicles. Germany was plundered the poor felt there was no way for them to prosper under the harsh tariffs and demands forced by the oppressors. so radical agendas pushed by mad men jousting for power. gave the poor hope, they up listened to speakers like Hitler, He promised a car in every garage and a chicken in every pot. The german people bought in and turn a blind eye to what was happening they followed the propaganda of the day and the world suffered!!! See any similarities to the world today Left or right black or white police or criminal we use sound bites thru the media to prove our point not open our mind. The only out of this that I can see is the reestablishment of the nuclear family. raising the next generation with solid moral values and a strong work ethic. Squash the entitlement mentality and embrace equility and punish stupidity
I am tolerant with divergent views that can be intelligently expressed. But to paraphrase Thomas Jefferson The Rational and the Ridiculous cannot be Reconciled the only Real Recourse is Ridicule. I would not have a rational debate with a Nazi.
You cannot tolerate the intolerance, check the paradox of tolerance by Karl Popper.
I wonder why USA are so tolerant to Nazis in Ukraine then. Actually, 'tolerant' is a big understatement.
It goes back to WWII when the U.S. was working on the Atom Bomb (Manhattan Project) and they needed some of Nazi Germany's brilliant nuclear scientists to help. I doubt these scientists were involved in war atrocities but they should have been in POW camps.
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This isn't about protecting society from intolerant people. This is about protecting a business's reputation in a society of irrationally intolerant virtue signallers - today's bigots. Besides, people only ever look at half the picture when laying the boot into their favourite whipping boy. Most choose to ignore who Germany was up against - Stalin, who killed way more people and was way more dangerous - and his cohorts. As well as the financial elite: these same people ignore that Germany had something in common with Libya, Syria, and most of war-torn North Africa: seeking a national gold standard and off the US standard. People choose to ignore the ruin the world put them in. They choose to ignore the slaughters of German people's that Germany responded to. They choose to forget the war crimes committed against Germany by the Allies and others. Because acknowledging these facts is less flattering. People are vain and insecure creatures seeking shelter from reality. Most seek ignorance
...what? Dude saw a Nazi in his bar, thought "I don't want Nazis in my bar," so he threw the Nazi out of his bar. Pretty cut and dry, no history lesson needed
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Those Nazis seem to find a new scapegoat for their hateful ideology in every generation. It's like they think everyone forgot about the horrors they did to Jewish or gay people or anyone else not agreeing with them and it's shocking how they're gaining popularity. Now they're still targeting Jews, and islamophobia, sexism and racism form a complete program for their evil fans... They don't hide it and spreading vileness is just part of the campaign now for extreme right parties. Where a few years ago their propaganda would be deemed unethical by the vast majority, now it's glazed over by young, "good-looking" men who can do a smooth talk... That bartender is awesome for seeing through their veneer of politeness and for giving a clear message that hate has no place in his bar. We need more people like bartender and this customer. I dream of a time when being good will be enough, whether I'm black, queer, pray to Allah or Jahwe or no-one! A time in which our descendants will be happy!
Is it savage to throw a Nazi out of a bar? And someone should tell "Sanimo" that extremists/terrorists can exist in all societies, but you may not even know until it's too late.
The bartender was protecting his business or the business of his employer. He nipped it right in the bud before an element that might destroy their business with their patronage became associated with the business. He offered no personal opinion of whether he liked, hated or was indifferent to Nazis. He didn't want them to ruin their bar. Practical. It also showed that zero tolerance of Nazis is good business.
Anyone can be a paying customer and anyone can deny service. Service is an agreement like any other and has to be mutual. You cannot take someone's money if you have denied them, just like you cannot not pay if you have received said service, but you can both choose not to be part of the agreement without any reason given. I wish people would get that freedom is not just yours and comes with a lot of responsibility.
That's not the point. You imply that it would also be okay to deny service to someone because they are homosexual, for instance.
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so.. .the outcomes for nazis is... dont wear vests with that all nazis s**t....
I think we have not seen the worst of the worst. There will come a time when we will see something so horrible that we will look back on the days of Nazis and Hitler and think, that was nothing.
Great article but your headline needs to take an out out, I'd suggest the first one.
So you are telling me that there are fine people only on one side not both sides? And even a bartender knows that but not the guy in charge of the free world?
What’s bizarre is that you continually take that out of context. Both sides meant peaceful protestors and those who werent nazis but supported the statues staying in Charlottesville.
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And now swap "nazi" to "gay" in this story and suddenly it's not acceptable. Paradox of tolerance just sounds like... well, intolerance wouldn't flourish in a tolerant society unless the tolerance of that society was artificial. Why would a tolerant person suddenly turn intolerant? It only makes sense if intolerance was still present in people, just hidden due to it not being widely accepted.
Because being gay isn't a choice. Being Nazi is. Being gay doesn't involve an ideology of hurting and scaring particular groups of people. Being nazi does. The only thing I'm truly intolerant over is intolerance, even if that's a tautology ^-^
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And were is this place that has a Nazi bar problem? My BS meter is going off.
Yea, but there is actually a reasonable number of Neo-Nazi's in the U.S. It is legal to be one as long as your actions are not illegal. (Trust me, I don't like it, but that is how it is)
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The swastika predates Nazis too and is a religious symbol.
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Neither is the swastika. It was originally a religious symbol, and was a part of the logo of the Finnish Air Force prior to the Nazis rise to power or their perpetuation of the symbol. It was adopted by the Nazis as a symbol of their regime. The Iron Cross, whilst not Nazi in origin, symbolizes Nazism due to the regime taking and using it.
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Your freedom of speech ends where other peoples' safety and welfare begins.
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Trollkiddo, you have some serious growing up to do. Sigh.
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ah the old, "i've never seen it so it doesn't exist" excuse
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Is that the sort of clientele you'd want frequenting your business? You don't wear Nazi symbols unless you're OK with the ideology they represent.
Load More Replies... we ignored the growing nazis once and over 100 million people died cause of it, and we are doing again. im Jew and i dont wanna die ina gas chamber cause of the governments and the people ignorance
I just said the other day that the situation in the US reminds me of the pre WWII time.
Load More Replies... Bartender is right. More to the point: LEARN the symbols. They're not always swastikas. Learn them all. Even ones that *might* be ambiguous. The summary of the symbols will equal Nazi. IT CAN HAPPEN ANYWHERE! ... And b/c people don't want to make a scene or b/c "he's a neighbor" or "he goes to church" (?!).... the malignant b----s get stronger.
For reference, some of the main ones include: 88 (the number represents a letter of the alphabet by order, so HH), SS made to look similar to lightning bolts, a version of the Celtic cross with the lower portion made the same length as the other 'arms', a symbol that looks like a Z with a line through the slanted portion, The Death's Head skull, the Imperial Eagle... I highly suggest that people do learn the symbols so they can recognize Nazis and Nazi sympathizers. Zero tolerance.
Load More Replies... I love how blunt, matter of fact and to the point he was. 'No. Get out.' No big philosophical debate, no long winded verbal finger wagging just straight to the point. It solved the problem while giving the guy the absolute minimum amount of attention. A perfect example of 'I ain't got time for your s**t!'
good on the bartender, more people need to have that attitude about this sort of thing
This thing also applies to the group of friends you might end up with. You meet one, they're seemingly nice, until you meet their other friends one by one. As soon as you notice something that's making you uncomfortable, and, more importantly, that "friend's" attitude towards the fact it makes you uncomfortable, don't be afraid of looking like "the bad guy", leave.
Wish someone told me about this 3 years ago. Would have saved me from a lot of borderline criminal abuse.
Load More Replies... A bar is a private establishment and the keeper or owner can "reserve the right not to serve ". No shoes - no shirt - hate symbols on your clothes - NO service.
Search for right wing Neo nazi and white supremacist organisations in the US and you'll be surprised. The US has become the cradle of everything that young Americans only 75 years ago fought against. Organisations that are banned and forbidden in Europe thrive in the US. Idea's, convictions and believes that have cost millions of lives are allowed and preached, all in the name of "Free speech" . How can you call inciting to violence, racism, hate, xenophobia and homophobia "Free speech"? How can you so easily discard the ultimate sacrifice that young Americans made?
If that s**t hits the fan in the US we'll know that "Free Speech" doesn't work so well in those occasions.
Load More Replies... I don't believe in hell, but if anyone ends up there, its Nazis. Scum of the earth.
I have a friend who's related to Nazis and so i am i. What he Did was good
Unfortunately, this bartender will get a lot of flak for his decision. Good call though, respect.
I used to be a bouncer at a bar and I had a group of nazis attempt to come in. It was a slow week night and I was by myself. They outnumbered me by a lot and I was scared, but I held my ground and refused to let them in. I knew the same thing, if they came in once and got a foot-hold, they would be emboldened to come back again and again. F**k nazi scum.
He'll probably get all the flak from the nazis. *bdum tiss*
Load More Replies... My son works in an 'Irish Pub' (in Germany) ... and has kicked out an "influencer couple". They were dressed in fancy clothes and wore expensive jewelry ... there was nothing wrong with that, but they just looked totally out of place. They came from the USA ... and were convinced no one understood them (with an Irish puppy). After taking photos, they made fun of how "shabby" and "old fashioned" the pub was decorated. My son had heard enough at some point and politely but emphatically asked her (in fluent English) to leave the "oh so shabby and old-fashioned pub". They got angry and threatened loudly to make bad reviews on Instagram ... which made everyone in the pub ... 2 employees and about 30 guests ... laugh out loud. As if they were dependent on such guests when the pub was half full ... at 7 pm.
so, sounds like in this case, with overt paraphernalia and medals this guy was a wannabe Nazi. good on the bartender. HOWEVER, in a day and age when people are called Nazi's on a regular basis for no reason besides opposing political views, he better have been seeing swastikas. I have never met a conservative that was pro nazi, yet its shouted 24/7. Everyone i now unanimously thinks the nazis were an evil ideology. hopefully this man observed the former and wasn't practicing the latter...
Most people have no idea what Nazi ideologies were. Conservatives aren't Nazis, but they do promote many of the same policies. So, while calling them Nazis isn't accurate, they're asking for it.
Load More Replies... I think that almost everyone can agree that Nazi ideology looking back was a horrible thing. but take a look thru the lens of post treaty of versicles. Germany was plundered the poor felt there was no way for them to prosper under the harsh tariffs and demands forced by the oppressors. so radical agendas pushed by mad men jousting for power. gave the poor hope, they up listened to speakers like Hitler, He promised a car in every garage and a chicken in every pot. The german people bought in and turn a blind eye to what was happening they followed the propaganda of the day and the world suffered!!! See any similarities to the world today Left or right black or white police or criminal we use sound bites thru the media to prove our point not open our mind. The only out of this that I can see is the reestablishment of the nuclear family. raising the next generation with solid moral values and a strong work ethic. Squash the entitlement mentality and embrace equility and punish stupidity
I am tolerant with divergent views that can be intelligently expressed. But to paraphrase Thomas Jefferson The Rational and the Ridiculous cannot be Reconciled the only Real Recourse is Ridicule. I would not have a rational debate with a Nazi.
You cannot tolerate the intolerance, check the paradox of tolerance by Karl Popper.
I wonder why USA are so tolerant to Nazis in Ukraine then. Actually, 'tolerant' is a big understatement.
It goes back to WWII when the U.S. was working on the Atom Bomb (Manhattan Project) and they needed some of Nazi Germany's brilliant nuclear scientists to help. I doubt these scientists were involved in war atrocities but they should have been in POW camps.
Load More Replies... This isn't about protecting society from intolerant people. This is about protecting a business's reputation in a society of irrationally intolerant virtue signallers - today's bigots. Besides, people only ever look at half the picture when laying the boot into their favourite whipping boy. Most choose to ignore who Germany was up against - Stalin, who killed way more people and was way more dangerous - and his cohorts. As well as the financial elite: these same people ignore that Germany had something in common with Libya, Syria, and most of war-torn North Africa: seeking a national gold standard and off the US standard. People choose to ignore the ruin the world put them in. They choose to ignore the slaughters of German people's that Germany responded to. They choose to forget the war crimes committed against Germany by the Allies and others. Because acknowledging these facts is less flattering. People are vain and insecure creatures seeking shelter from reality. Most seek ignorance
...what? Dude saw a Nazi in his bar, thought "I don't want Nazis in my bar," so he threw the Nazi out of his bar. Pretty cut and dry, no history lesson needed
Load More Replies... Those Nazis seem to find a new scapegoat for their hateful ideology in every generation. It's like they think everyone forgot about the horrors they did to Jewish or gay people or anyone else not agreeing with them and it's shocking how they're gaining popularity. Now they're still targeting Jews, and islamophobia, sexism and racism form a complete program for their evil fans... They don't hide it and spreading vileness is just part of the campaign now for extreme right parties. Where a few years ago their propaganda would be deemed unethical by the vast majority, now it's glazed over by young, "good-looking" men who can do a smooth talk... That bartender is awesome for seeing through their veneer of politeness and for giving a clear message that hate has no place in his bar. We need more people like bartender and this customer. I dream of a time when being good will be enough, whether I'm black, queer, pray to Allah or Jahwe or no-one! A time in which our descendants will be happy!
Is it savage to throw a Nazi out of a bar? And someone should tell "Sanimo" that extremists/terrorists can exist in all societies, but you may not even know until it's too late.
The bartender was protecting his business or the business of his employer. He nipped it right in the bud before an element that might destroy their business with their patronage became associated with the business. He offered no personal opinion of whether he liked, hated or was indifferent to Nazis. He didn't want them to ruin their bar. Practical. It also showed that zero tolerance of Nazis is good business.
Anyone can be a paying customer and anyone can deny service. Service is an agreement like any other and has to be mutual. You cannot take someone's money if you have denied them, just like you cannot not pay if you have received said service, but you can both choose not to be part of the agreement without any reason given. I wish people would get that freedom is not just yours and comes with a lot of responsibility.
That's not the point. You imply that it would also be okay to deny service to someone because they are homosexual, for instance.
Load More Replies... so.. .the outcomes for nazis is... dont wear vests with that all nazis s**t....
I think we have not seen the worst of the worst. There will come a time when we will see something so horrible that we will look back on the days of Nazis and Hitler and think, that was nothing.
Great article but your headline needs to take an out out, I'd suggest the first one.
So you are telling me that there are fine people only on one side not both sides? And even a bartender knows that but not the guy in charge of the free world?
What’s bizarre is that you continually take that out of context. Both sides meant peaceful protestors and those who werent nazis but supported the statues staying in Charlottesville.
Load More Replies... And now swap "nazi" to "gay" in this story and suddenly it's not acceptable. Paradox of tolerance just sounds like... well, intolerance wouldn't flourish in a tolerant society unless the tolerance of that society was artificial. Why would a tolerant person suddenly turn intolerant? It only makes sense if intolerance was still present in people, just hidden due to it not being widely accepted.
Because being gay isn't a choice. Being Nazi is. Being gay doesn't involve an ideology of hurting and scaring particular groups of people. Being nazi does. The only thing I'm truly intolerant over is intolerance, even if that's a tautology ^-^
Load More Replies... And were is this place that has a Nazi bar problem? My BS meter is going off.
Yea, but there is actually a reasonable number of Neo-Nazi's in the U.S. It is legal to be one as long as your actions are not illegal. (Trust me, I don't like it, but that is how it is)
Load More Replies... The swastika predates Nazis too and is a religious symbol.
Load More Replies... Neither is the swastika. It was originally a religious symbol, and was a part of the logo of the Finnish Air Force prior to the Nazis rise to power or their perpetuation of the symbol. It was adopted by the Nazis as a symbol of their regime. The Iron Cross, whilst not Nazi in origin, symbolizes Nazism due to the regime taking and using it.
Load More Replies... Your freedom of speech ends where other peoples' safety and welfare begins.
Load More Replies... Trollkiddo, you have some serious growing up to do. Sigh.
Load More Replies... ah the old, "i've never seen it so it doesn't exist" excuse
Load More Replies... Is that the sort of clientele you'd want frequenting your business? You don't wear Nazi symbols unless you're OK with the ideology they represent.
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