Anti-Vaxxer Tries To Shut Down People Who Are Pro-Vaccine, Gets A Perfect Comeback
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Just 2 weeks after a shocking incident fiercely reignited the vaccination debate, another blow has been dealt to the anti-vaxxer firewall after a genius analogy against their logic (or lack thereof) went viral.
The widely-shared imagine, which compares vaccination to a bridge and disease to crocodile-infested waters, came accompanied by a short Facebook debate – the brevity of which was only due to an anti-vax commentator being brutally shut down by a science blog. The entire event was caught on screenshot and posted on Imgur, where it quickly made the front page with over 11 thousand upvotes.
Vaccine-preventable diseases are still a threat to children, notably measles, which has made a frightening comeback in the US and Europe. If this, paired with the plethora of research confirming vaccines to be safe and necessary, doesn’t serve as enough ammo in your next argument over the issue, use this post as your play.
This analogy against ‘anti-vaxxer logic’ is going viral, and it’s reigniting an important discussion
Reactions from other users were overwhelmingly in support of the pro-vaxxer’s shattering argument
What do you think? Does the bridge analogy accurately describe the vaccine debate? Weigh in below!
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Those analogies are a bit badly expressed. I think it would be more like, "I refuse to go onto that bridge that has stood the test of time, because SOME people had accidents on it, and I've heard that bridges collapse at ANY MOMENT. I'd rather swim through that deep river with a very strong current because I think the bridge is just a ploy by the government to control us. I mean, they're the ones who built it! No one dies from crossing that river anymore anyway."
This is very well put and I agree with it.
Agreed except the bridge analogy holds up when you're only talking about Autism. Nobody has gotten autism from vaxxines ("...SOME people have had accidents on it..."). But yes, some people have gotten sick or died from vaccines. They just haven't contract Autism from them.
What is the percentage of people who get sick or die from vaccines? Less than 1.4 in 100,000. Percentage of people who die from diptheria even with treatment? 10 to 15 percent, i.e. 10,000 to 15, 000. Why don't we see people dying of diptheria these days? Vaccines. I last saw a case of diptheria in the US in 1971 -- because of vaccines.
It's a grouping statement: Not all Children who have been vaccinated have autism, but almost all the children who have autism have been vaccinated. there is no substantial case that anyone (apart from those with the IQ of a brick) would believe to support anti-vaccination. I have ADHD, and I have been vaccinated. But I do not have ADHD BECAUSE I've been vaccinated. Just like those with autism.
Exactly this!
That is true, because there is not one substance on this planet that is 100% safe for 100% of the population. Vaccines are just not an exception to that.
How does government control you if you get a FREE vaccine? Are you really using your brain? Do you think they distribute free microchips to all citizens via vaccines or what? Are you guys really informed about the multitude of diseases you might face and have no chance of surviving without vaccines? "bridge is just a ploy by the government to control us" this analogy is badly expressed my friend... Go swim across the river but don't you dare send your non-vaccined children to a public school.
...dude. I'm pro-vaccination. The analogy I wrote was from a anti-vaxxer perspective, not my personal opinion. My friend.
Honestly, if you would rather allow your child to die from an illness that can be prevented instead of running the risk of developing autism (which has been shown to be false time and time again), you don't deserve to be a parent. It's that simple. And as for the ones who don't want "poison" put into their children's bodies: you better lock them in a damn closet so they never touch alcohol, drugs, or any other form of medication.
Yep. Also, the "study" that linked vaccines and autism was penned by Andrew Wakefield, a legally proven FRAUD. Seriously, if anyone is anti-vaccines, they should look at the actual evidence. The man lied, and everyone in the medical community knows he lied, and now he gets money from foolish people because he lies and tells them the conspiracies they want to hear. To any conspiracy theorists: just because you don't trust the government doesn't mean you should trust everyone who says something bad about them. We don't die from illnesses like smallpox that often now BECAUSE of vaccines, not in spite of them, and the increase in autism diagnoses is mostly down to the changing definition of what is considered autism rather than autism actually just making a sudden appearance (psychology is very complex and requires frequent changes in medical diagnosis and practice based on new discoveries and research).
The National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program ("Vaccine Program") comprises Part 2 of the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 ("Vaccine Act"). See Pub. L. No. 99-660, 100 Stat. 3755 (1986) (codified as amended at 42 U.S.C. §§ 300aa-1 to -34). The Vaccine Act became effective October 1, 1988. It establishes the Vaccine Program as a no-fault compensation program whereby petitions for monetary compensation may be brought by or on behalf of persons allegedly suffering injury or death as a result of the administration of certain compulsory childhood vaccines. Has payed out 100's of millions to children injured by vax, cause they so safe.....
Or never let them breathe air, you know, it's too polluted.
Additionally, people decreasing/blocking herd immunity for those few that are allergic or otherwise to vaccines.
I am autistic, and far from being a handicap or a disability, it helps me see the world in a unique way. I am successful and have a lot of friends and a full social life.
Not just alcohol, drugs and medications... don't dare ever eat a processed food... OR eat a genetically modified food.... better go move somewhere you can live off the land and grow your own and hunt.... be safe.....
And... Jenny McCarthy
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Autism is only linked to the MMR vaccines , both pro-vaccers and anti-vaxxers fail to see this. Just like men, not all vaccines are equal
Wow. The lies really got you, didn't they? Did Jenny's fake boobs hypnotize you?
The analogy doesn't necessarily go into the part of how the anti-vaxxers choice of swimming through that water affects all pro-vaxxers whose children aren't even old enough to get vaccinated or already have health issues that requires a different vaccination schedule (like, there are vaccinations that cover multiple diseases at once, but due to health circumstances, the person in question can't get the single shot but instead needs to get the vaccination for one disease at a time spread out over time). And a random, but relevant side story: Back when I was in high school, I had a teacher whose daughter was born deaf because one of her students had measles or chicken pox. Apparently, they weren't visible, but they were still contagious. to this day, the story stuck with me.
Omg yes this! Finally someone said it at the start of the comments.
EXACTLY... they don't want to take responsibility for how their choices affect others.....
i have terminal cancer and am on chemo. my immune system is compromised. you stupid antivaxxers can kill me. thanks, though, i'm really worried about autism.
Exactly! Vaccination is so important because of herd immunity, which serves to protect people like yourselves who can't get vaccinated because of compromised immune systems! If not enough healthy people get vaccinated, there is no herd immunity!
My MIL, while not anti-vax, didn't get her kids fully vaccinated and I am worried that my future children may run the risk of catching something before they can be vaccinated... I love my MIL and like a lot of her ideas but the not getting her kids fully vaccinated bit irks me! They went to "pox and measles parties" but none of the kids ever contracted the infections. I'm seriously worried and not sure how to proceed with his family.
If it were me, I would just dodge them until your kids are vaccinated. Even then, I would show caution. Better to have pissed off in-laws than a child in a wheelchair. Remember, your obligation to your kids exceeds that of to your in-laws. And who knows, maybe they will wise up and get vaccinated rather than lose you.
Tell your husband to get vaccinated NOW. Adults do need boosters and he really, really needs to get vaccinated. If he balks, tell him one nifty little fact....When men get mumps, they end up sterile. If you're planning more kids, that should be a deal breaker. And keep your kids away from these lunatics.
It will have been measels that the student had. When the vaccine was first introduced (late 60s) it was given to teenage girls (in UK at least) as well as to babies and small children because it is so dangerous to unborn babies. I remember being given the jag aged 15ish.
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However, deafness is no more tragic than autism.
Which is not caused by vaccines.
Perhaps not, but it would have been preventable if that kid had been vaccinated. And because it wasn't, my former teacher, her daughter and the rest of her family pay the price of someone else's ignorance.
Forget the bridge analogy. It leaves out one key part of the pro vac truth. The stupid people think unvaccinated people who didn't get disease is proof of their cause. The only reason their kids didn't get sick is because WE (the pro vac approximately 90%) vaccinated our kids to protect their stupid kids!!! If most of society is vaccinated, it prevents large outbreaks. If everyone was unvaccinated we would have huge outbreaks of disease and death and then the selfish people would change their tune quickly! Yes their are very slight risks (but not for autism; studies have shown a review of home videos show the infant showed signs of autism before receiving first set of vaccines). But the risk is there and a child can die an agonizing death from pertussis or meningitis. These diseases are still around, don't be ignorant. And remember, all you anti vacs....the more you push your agenda and there are more people refusing vaccines.....the higher chance you have of your child dying.
i uh honestly don't quite grasp this anti vaxx thing. in my country,we are a developing 3rd world country in south east asia,it is known to vaxx our kids. we have been doing it since long ago and still doing it today.
"Your child will develop autism if you get them vaccinated" has been proven false so many times. Even if it was true, would you rather have your child develop autism or have them die from an illness that was treatable?
I like the chemtrails one best of all.
funny to see that most people who are ant-vaxxer are healty because their parents we're not complete moron and vaccinate their kids! anti-vaxxer are people who got vaccinate when they were kids and... shock... still alive!!!
People think vaccines cause autism?! What's next? People start thinking the world is flat again? Oh wait....
I think some of the anti-vaxxers are more like, "I don't need to use the bridge because the magical invisible being I believe in will pick me up and carry me over the water so the alligators don't eat me."
I am tired of hearing how the family of anti vaxers crossed the"river of crocodiles with minor injuries" (got the diseases but lived ) only to be disabled by a fate worse than imaginary autism. I.E. blindness, deafness, brain damage, sterility, heart disease (Rubella), decreased immunity in general, retardation, I can go on.
I am pro-vac. I have had the adult boosters as recommended. I wish chicken pox vax existed in the 80's when I caught it in High School. I can't imagine a child being forced to go through that just because their parents think it "makes them stronger" and it's a "simple disease". I have deep pock scars on my face, and shingles to look forward to because science wasn't fast enough.
I have scars as well as do many friends my age. I was so happy my daughter could be immunized.
This is as stupid as a family who my daughter went to school with there daughter. There daughter had a bad appendix and they didnt want her to be operated on ,they were or are jehovah witness. The doctor went to the judge in town and they were forced to finally let the doctor operate, the little girl almost died and was in the hospital for months from peritonitis due to there stupidity . Same thing with people not giving there kids shots , i dont believe they should allow anyone in school , any school or even home schooled unless they have there shots.
.. their ... not there. There indicates a location, not people or an individual person.
thank you for annoying people this way, I'm not being sarcastic (run-on). Helping so many learn, many are getting corrected by internet grammar police officers (misplaced modifier). If boredpanda gave awards to its grammar police officers, you're getting 1st place! (different verb tenses(fine aspects, whatever)). Not bad for a middle schooler, eh? (of yeah, that's an interjection, not a run-un, so it works).
Can I just say how proud I am of that?
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Yeah that'll improve education and will totally help future people not be stupid. *rolls eyes*
The chemtrails is a good idea
Some people fall off the bridge, and get eaten by crocodiles, you know. This was hilarious.
And the parts about "they knew a bridge that collapsed" and how a quick google of bridges taught them everything known about bridges.
Antivaxxers actually DEPEND on provaxxers. It's called "herd immunity" AV parents depend on the PV kids to protect their kids from flu, measles and chickenpox! (And don't give me that bullshit about "they're just childhood diseases" measles can cause blindness and the flu killed hundreds and thousands of people)
If you do not VACCINATE YOUR CHILDREN and they get one of the diseases prevented by vaccines and die YOU SHOULD BE CHARGED WITH MURDER!!! You do not pass go and you do not collect your $200's because you murdered your child.
I like the response from the woman who said that she'd still vaccinate her autistic son, even if she believed they cause autism, because that's better than him having polio. I've been saying that all along... The majority of people who have autism still can have a happy life, even relatively normal ones... Which is not going to be the case if you die at 2 from the fracking measles or whatever...
i like the "vaccines in chemtrails" solution
ANTI-VAX IDIOTS, LISTEN: VACCINES DON'T ONLY MAKE YOU IMMUNE TO DISEASES WITH A TINY CHANCE IN DIRE CIRCUMSTANCES OF AUTISM. THEY ALSO MEAN THAT YOU CAN'T GET AND SPREAD THE DISEASE. SOME DAY WE WON'T NEED VACCINES BECAUSE WE WILL ALL HAVE BEEN VACCINATED AND ERADICATED THE ILLNESS. BUT IF ONE PERSON DIDN'T GET VACCINATED, THEY COULD BRING IT BACK TO LIFE.
Turn off Caps Lock. That's for the other side. It makes one seem unhinged. #vaccinate
If VAX so safe, why has the VAX court paid out 100's of millions of dollars to vax injury cases? The National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program ("Vaccine Program") comprises Part 2 of the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 ("Vaccine Act"). See Pub. L. No. 99-660, 100 Stat. 3755 (1986) (codified as amended at 42 U.S.C. §§ 300aa-1 to -34). The Vaccine Act became effective October 1, 1988. It establishes the Vaccine Program as a no-fault compensation program whereby petitions for monetary compensation may be brought by or on behalf of persons allegedly suffering injury or death as a result of the administration of certain compulsory childhood vaccines. They settle the autism cases so never had to admit wrong doing......sealed by courts and can't be used in regular courts. SO SAFE http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/vaccine-program-readmore
Look at what percentage that is. Are you vaccinated? Vaccines do not and have never caused autism. Where did you get your medical training?
I think, that if you don't vaccinate your children, and they die? From an illness they would never have gotten if vaccinated? It should be considered negligent homicide. You know they could possibly die, yet you don't protect them, then, they die, you are at fault.
If you don't want the vaccine,then don't get it---but STFU when something happens !!!!
The problem with that is that you may not get the disease, but you may spread it to someone who hasn't had the chance to be vaccinated yet, or who can't be vaccinated due to other medical concerns (such as having to take immuno-suppressive drugs). YOU may not suffer, but an innocent party may suffer or die.
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Actually, autism is congenital. There is no way how it could be influenced by any vaccine unless it has a time machine.
Wow, love the analogies. The bridge, the crocodile infested waters... lol - can you idiots get it right please. The people who built the bridge are the people who built the sewer systems, improved nutrition, housing conditions etc. They and this is UNDENIABLE - I mean seriously if you deny this you believe the earth is flat and the earth is the center of the Universe lol - are the reason that disease is not running rife as it did before these "saviors" improved sanitation and health. Vaccines practically didn't do anything in comparison. Polio? are you serious? these days it is more likely you will get polio from the vaccine or as they now term it NPAFP. If small pox vaccines wiped out small pox with a minimal number of the world population being vaccinated then why the f&%K haven't vaccines been able to replicate this for measles which is just as contagious or polio etc etc etc etc etc???? Don't try to claim bridges that you didn't build. You make yourselves look incredibly stupid.
Anti-vaxxers need to understand that the whoel autism thing has been proven wrong for a very long time.
the people who are Anti-vax choose to be a part of something they think is making a statement for or against (what they might consider) being forced to par-take in and its ignorant, uneducated and quite selfish on their part because they are putting the general population whoHAVE & HAS gotten vaccinated as well as their children in danger. i feel that if you live in the united states of America OR you are TRYING to come into the united states in ANYWAY for ANY reason vaccination NEEDS to be part of that whole process. And there should Not be any kind of "loop-hole" ie: religion, beliefs, ethnicity, origins, race, color, creed or ANY other excuse for people NOT to have to do it and jeopardize EVERYBODY else who are trying to keep all of the diseases the vaccines eliminate from becoming an uncontrolled problem AGAIN. This should NOT be something that's optional. I absolutely think that the bridge analogy and the comments are a perfect way to politely voice how crucial it is to do
Put them together on an island somewhere
This reminded me to google adult vaccination boosters - which, btw, the CDC recommends being done periodically to ensure protection. It seems reasonable considering that we cannot avoid being around anti-vaxxers and/or their children (who are in the minority, btw, but are unlikely to make those around them aware of their unprotected status). We aren't responsible for what others do or don't do, but we all should at least learn what we can do to protect ourselves and others.
To those who have read about the children who suffered a severe reaction to a vaccine: is there a source of information on what would have happened if they had caught the actual disease? My theory is the outcome would be the same. Based on vaccines being "watered down" versions of the target disease. And minor reactions b eing the body's immune system doing what it is programmed to do. And I am omitting the instances of illness caused by vaccines that have been inspected and found contaminated ,compromised or expired.
Brilliant comebacks! I just don't get the (il)logic of anti-vaxxers. Have they ever seen the old "Why didn't my parents get me Salk shots" cartoon showing a boy on crutches watching his friends frolic? That is my main problem with Green party candidate Jill Stein.
It's the MMR vaccine that causes autism. That's ONE specific vaccine. Most "anti-vaxxers" aren't saying abolish all vaccines, so the snarky overgeneralized insults really just make you look retarded. Oh and the CDC falsified the results of their study on the MMR vaccine, look it up. Facts > Snarky Analogies
Nope. The MMR does not cause autism. Wakefield has a patent on his own MMR vaccine. He needed to find a way to discredit the current MMR vaccine, so he could market his own vaccine. That's why he committed fraud, during, and abused the children he used for, his 'research'.
If VAX so safe, why has the VAX court paid out 100's of millions of dollars to vax injury cases? The National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program ("Vaccine Program") comprises Part 2 of the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 ("Vaccine Act"). See Pub. L. No. 99-660, 100 Stat. 3755 (1986) (codified as amended at 42 U.S.C. §§ 300aa-1 to -34). The Vaccine Act became effective October 1, 1988. It establishes the Vaccine Program as a no-fault compensation program whereby petitions for monetary compensation may be brought by or on behalf of persons allegedly suffering injury or death as a result of the administration of certain compulsory childhood vaccines. They settle the autism cases so never had to admit wrong doing......sealed by courts and can't be used in regular courts. SO SAFE http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/vaccine-program-readmore
The point is everyone has a choice to swim or use the bridge...everyone should have the choice to vaccinate or not. Vaccines have never been proven to be safe, not one study done shows they are 100% safe without any adverse effects. So everyone should have the freedom to weigh the risks and make that decision. Vaccines are "medicine" and all medicine comes with risks, as does driving a car or jumping out of plane. Everyone gets to make that choice to get in a car or jump from a plane, the choice to vaccinate or not should remain up to the individual not the government. I am vaccine injured and the government shouldn't be able to force me to get more vaccines because if I was allergic to penicillin they wouldn't force me to take it again. It's all about freedom of choice, say no to medical tyranny.
Can I sue the bridge manufacturer if a defect causes my death, or do I have to go through some crazy kangaroo court that protects bridge manufacturers from liability?
No need. There is virtually no chance you will ever need to worry about that. And even if you were (not at all likely) there are no kangaroo courts.
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Bad analogy. A better one using a bridge. You are advised to use the bridge even though you don't need to go to the other side. You can't see the other side. Others that have used the bridge have not come back. Most of the ones that use the bridge come back with some form injury, often severe, in fact, the bridge builder has paid out billions of dollars for injuries. The bridge maker never proved the safety of the bridge. In fact, everyone that recommends using the bridge to nowhere but death or injury is paid handsomely to recommend it. The bridge spans water that has been crossed safely for centuries, only causing harm when it was allowed to be contaminated with feces. Since the water is now returned to its original clean state, it is perfectly safe to wade across, and it is much cheaper on society at large. Intelligent people are opting out of the bridge because serious questions about the bridge are not being answered th their satisfaction. How is that?
OH, it's been approved by the government...that puts a lot of faith into me and I will trust it with my very life. Maybe I will just use a boat instead.
Wow The truly stupid and ignorant have come out in droves on this ridiculous analogy haven't they. I think this 'analogy' is a test to see who is stupid and gullible enough to agree with it. Scary and disturbing how many people have failed that test
Here's the CDC's Adult Vaccine Schedule! Let's go pro-vaccine parents—Don't Be Hypocrites! If you think vaccines are a good idea for your children, then surely they have to be good for you too! You wouldn't subject your children to medical treatments you wouldn't get yourself, now would you? And get them all in one day—like infants do—and let us know how that works out for you. For your convenience, Costco is fully stocked with your favorite vaccines! http://www.costco.com/Pharmacy/adult-immunization-program.html Vaccine-Ad...bb654f.jpg
Many of the adults who are pro-vaccine have already been vaccinated as children. As for subjecting children to medical treatments which you wouldn't get yourself - does that mean if a child has acute appendicitis, they should not be allowed to have the operation until one of the parents has?
Love it. What kind of parent would do something to their child they wouldn't do to themselves? That says it all.
Please tell me why you would think the parents wouldn't be vaccinated. Explain that.
You're obviously anti vaccine. Can I assume then, that you eat only organic produce, non-GMO products, and avoid all drugs, and alcohol?
Were you dropped on your head. Of course we were vaccinated and get boosters. We don't get them at Costco, though. We go to our physician. Seems you could use one yourself.
The Catones: the DTaP (Diphtheria, Tetanus, and acellular Pertussis) vaccine led to their son's death. Nick Catone lashed out at the vaccine industry in an 800-plus word post made on June 27, and his page has been inundated with words of support as well as similar stories of kids whose health took a serious turn for the worse following vaccinations. http://althealthworks.com/13231/this-happened-to-the-wrong-family-former-ufc-fighter-speaks-out-against-vaccines-for-alleged-role-in-sons-tragic-death/
No one is saying that there isn't a minuscule incidence of complications, some of them severe, from vaccines, as with any beneficial medical treatment. But the frequency is incredibly rare, far more rare than the consequences of the diseases that the vaccines prevent. Prior to the introduction of vaccines and antibiotics, our life expectancy was 20-30 years less than it is now, and that isn't because we died at 40, it's because most humans didn't survive childhood. Now the leading causes of death have nothing to do with infectious disease in the developed world. 1 out of a 100,000 will have a reaction to vaccines, and most of those will be mild. I survived measles and mumps as a child, genital warts and shingles as an adult. You bet I get vaccines at every opportunity.
Do you have any evidence from a credible source? This is from an anti-science, pro-quackery site.
So much for vaccines eradicating disease: Toddler survives smallpox vaccine shedding reaction (Reuters) http://www.reuters.com/article/us-smallpox-boy-idUSN1744524120070518
Video of baby 'suffering up to 14 seizures a day' after getting the Meningitis B vaccination http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/parents-shocking-video-baby-suffering-9447899.amp
The Mirror? Seriously?
The thing about vaccines causing autism is that it does happen, but only in extreme circumstances. Often with very young kids in very bad physical condition, just that tiny bit of illness that your immune system can usually kill without effort is surprisingly strong, and can push the body over the edge, which is when autism can occur. And since vaccines are literally injecting the tiniest bit of a bacteria's membrane into your body for the immune system to remember, it is actually slightly dangerous if your immune system is ridiculously weak. SO only vaccinate your kids at a time when they are in at least decent physical condition.
Actually, it has never happened. I'm sorry you fell for the hoax.
Here's the CDC's Adult Vaccine Schedule! Let's go pro-vaccine parents—Don't Be Hypocrites! If you think vaccines are a good idea for your children, then surely they have to be good for you too! You wouldn't subject your children to medical treatments you wouldn't get yourself, now would you? And get them all in one day—like infants do—and let us know how that works out for you. For your convenience, Costco is fully stocked with your favorite vaccines! http://www.costco.com/Pharmacy/adult-immunization-program.html
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Yes, absolutely, but couldn't someone proof this before it was posted? It's full of spelling and other errors.
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I am a vaccine educated parent, or 'anti vaxxer' as have been dubbed. Here is my logic: No one is choosing to swim across the river. People who vaccinate use the bridge. People who do not vaccinate use the bridge. Bridges and vaccines are two different things. Apples to oranges. Pro vaccine logic: You should vaccinate without question because here: look at this bridge. Pro vaccine educate: Do not forego basic vaccine safety research because someone showed you a bridge and made a ridiculous analogy. So which logic is the wise one? Parents are wise. Parents decide.
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Bored Panda, you've truly got me bored with this one. Just looking at how biased this article is. How all the people who don't want to vaccinate their children get their comments hidden or removed, while the people who are pro vaccinating their children get the run of the page. Yawn. I'm done with this feed. I'm not interested in participating in somebody's soapbox article where all the people of one side get to stroke each other while actual dialogue gets suppressed. Let me know when real journalism starts happening. Adios.
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Unrealistic analogies. If YOUR child is in that 0.003% then your tune will be different. Yes, it works for 99.997%, but those edge cases are a trainwreck tyat Big Pharma do not want to talk about and go to extreme lengths to suppress.
You get it, Big Pharma!
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People believe this is a 'good' analogy? Wow. That's seriously disturbing. THAT is a good illustration of just how stupid people are that they believe this is a good analogy. I love that comment by Ecstatic bagel "vaccinate your kids unless you want them to die tomorrow from a disease that's been eradicated for 60 years". What a crack up. Vaccine mindset is surely lack of reason, logic and intelligence isn't it - scary just how stupid these people are
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So, so, so disappointed that you posted this clearly manipulative article. Do some research, stop the witch hunt, stop the name-calling, stop the blame.
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if you drink the coolaid at least look at the ingredientes
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I think it's hilarious and disturbing that anyone can be that stupid as to believe this is a good analogy. Reminds me of that idiotic one floating around a few years ago 'scientist sees something stupid on the internet and delivers epic response' which of course would of more aptly been titled rude idiot lacking comprehension of basic high school decides to pretend to be a scientist - disturbing fools many
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The bridge was built 100 years ago by the lowest bidder. They continue to charge tolls to cross that bridge but never use the money to update the structure. The river has been cleaned up and the crocodiles have long since left the area, but the bridge owners continue to fearmonger about crocodiles because they don't want to lose all the toll money they have been pocketing.
Antivaxer eh? Please die in a fire. The world badly needs more morons dying.
See kids? Bonnie Rourke is an indictment to the American education system. It's cool to stay in school.
Seriously, don't tell people to die in a fire because you disagree with them. Fucking hell don't wish such horrible things upon people, what is wrong with you.
Please move yourself and your not-vaccinated family to a remote island before harming others with your decision! You may as well just compare this to smokers and non-smokers being subjected to second hand smoke and end up paying the price for it.
Yet, with global migrations, you may never know if a family (or 100) of crocodiles is entering the bridge area, just as you are dipping your feet in the water you believe to be safe. Perhaps they smelled a renewed swimming trend, while they initially left the bridge area since after it was built, nobody was swimming, and they went somewhere else looking for food...
So, dumbass, you would rather run the risk of your child DYING from a disease that can be prevented and has been prevented for years thanks to vaccinations instead of them developing Autism? (Even though the idiot who spewed that nonsense has been proven a fraud time and time again)
Well actually, you won't die from crocodiles but from the strong current that never stops (and also because you're stupid)
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Recently a High Court in Germany decided in favour of a Biologist in his case proving Measles doesn't exist. Under existing standards a virus has to be able to replicate itself and his opposition was unable to do this. They initially resorted to cheating, splicing bits together to make the whole. Given that this has been scientifically proven and tested in the courts, why should we vaccinate against measles? If you produce something and it harms others, and vaccines do which is why the vaccine court has paid out billions; then you will rightfully be sued for damages. Vaccine manufacturers REFUSE to accept liability, blackmailing governments into footing the bill. And that gives you confidence in their product? Also, if vaccines work, why should the vaccinated worry about becoming infected? Surely only the unvaccinated have anything to worry about? Have any of you actually bothered to look into this for yourselves?
This anti-vax movement is the dumbest line of reasoning I've ever seen. Heard immunity does NOT work long term. It also does not work at all without others being vaccinated. So what happens if these morons get their way? All the diseases that have nearly been eradicated will come back and ruin us. I'd much prefer my child to have autism as a result of vaccines (which has already been proven to be untrue.) than have a crippling disease like polio. I've worked in the medical field. I've seen the research. Have you Sue?
@Sue Mordor. As a German, I just looked that one up. The fact your stating about a high court ruling that measles don't exist is not true. What the court did rule was that the anti-vaxxer who had promised to pay someone 100,000€ if they could provide a scientific research to proof the existence of the measles virus. A biologist provided such a paper and demanded payment and ended up suing. The anti-vaxxer did win that case and therefore doesn't have to pay. Next time, you better fact check before spewing untruths. In case someone wants to read up for themselves (it's a German article though): https://www.aerzteblatt.de/nachrichten/72736/Streit-um-Existenz-von-Masernvirus-Urteil-zieht-Schlussstrich
Dear Sue, since science is something you've heard about but never actually learned (not even the fundamental principles), and law is another thing that "rings a bell" to you, let me have the pleasure of schooling you a bit. First of all, scientific discoveries and proofs are not (nor had they ever been, at least since the Dark Ages) validated or decided upon by courts. Courts consist of legal experts, not scientists. Scientists may be invited as expert witnesses. Courts rule on evidence presented, against the claim/case submitted to their consideration. Courts (judges alone, or juries of peers) are not competent (or inclined) to do medical/biological/virology testing. Ever seen a lawyer/jury member/judge/court clerk donning a lab coat and messing with microscope and some stuff in Petri dish? I'm glad you are co caring. Especially for the children too young to be vaccinated and the ones with serious diseases that may never be vaccinated. But then again, anti-vax is the new black, right?
Sue, I would really LOVE to see your sources on this. Also, I think it would be best if your tubes were ties immediately so your idiotic ass never has the ability to reproduce. I refuse to believe that someone can be as blatantly fucking stupid as you seem to be. I pray you're just a troll with nothing better to do than spew bullshit.
Sue clearly only reads what is beneficial to her theory: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Bardens Since I know actually reading and researching is really hard, let me sum up the article: THE CASE WAS OVERTURNED.
@Patrick My understanding of "herd immunity" ("Heard" is a homophone of "herd" - I have trouble with them too) is that it's a flimsy last resort defense to be used only by those who *need* to - i.e. those whose immune systems are already too compromised for the vaccines to work as they should - like my sister in law who's immune system is so weak that she won't develop the anti-bodies vaccines are supposed to stimulate even if she were vaccinated. Further, as I understand it the greater the percentage of the herd that is not immunized, the weaker the herd immunity becomes, so it is in no one's interest to allow those who can be vaccinated to forgo it.
Ugh Sue use some sense. Vaccines do work, but some people cannot have them because they are allergic. If your kid contracts measles, which - I'm sorry but, I know plenty of people who actually remember GETTING measles, the idea that it doesn't exist is insane - someone who cannot have a vaccine is sensitive to the disease. These are usually ALREADY immunocompromised people and will get much more sick and may die if they contract the disease.
They can argue that they are saving their children from geriatric ailments, by giving them less chance of getting old. Or say death is the most natural thing - the children will get to the 'next world' quicker - where there is no suffering.
I'm sorry. Did you REALLY just deny the existence of a disease that caused outbreaks as recently as 2014? Disneyland ring any bells??
Antivaxer eh? Please die in a fire. Or jump off that bridge in the picture at the top of the thread - after the 30 story drop to the water the surface tension will splat your dumb ass like concrete.
Those analogies are a bit badly expressed. I think it would be more like, "I refuse to go onto that bridge that has stood the test of time, because SOME people had accidents on it, and I've heard that bridges collapse at ANY MOMENT. I'd rather swim through that deep river with a very strong current because I think the bridge is just a ploy by the government to control us. I mean, they're the ones who built it! No one dies from crossing that river anymore anyway."
This is very well put and I agree with it.
Agreed except the bridge analogy holds up when you're only talking about Autism. Nobody has gotten autism from vaxxines ("...SOME people have had accidents on it..."). But yes, some people have gotten sick or died from vaccines. They just haven't contract Autism from them.
What is the percentage of people who get sick or die from vaccines? Less than 1.4 in 100,000. Percentage of people who die from diptheria even with treatment? 10 to 15 percent, i.e. 10,000 to 15, 000. Why don't we see people dying of diptheria these days? Vaccines. I last saw a case of diptheria in the US in 1971 -- because of vaccines.
It's a grouping statement: Not all Children who have been vaccinated have autism, but almost all the children who have autism have been vaccinated. there is no substantial case that anyone (apart from those with the IQ of a brick) would believe to support anti-vaccination. I have ADHD, and I have been vaccinated. But I do not have ADHD BECAUSE I've been vaccinated. Just like those with autism.
Exactly this!
That is true, because there is not one substance on this planet that is 100% safe for 100% of the population. Vaccines are just not an exception to that.
How does government control you if you get a FREE vaccine? Are you really using your brain? Do you think they distribute free microchips to all citizens via vaccines or what? Are you guys really informed about the multitude of diseases you might face and have no chance of surviving without vaccines? "bridge is just a ploy by the government to control us" this analogy is badly expressed my friend... Go swim across the river but don't you dare send your non-vaccined children to a public school.
...dude. I'm pro-vaccination. The analogy I wrote was from a anti-vaxxer perspective, not my personal opinion. My friend.
Honestly, if you would rather allow your child to die from an illness that can be prevented instead of running the risk of developing autism (which has been shown to be false time and time again), you don't deserve to be a parent. It's that simple. And as for the ones who don't want "poison" put into their children's bodies: you better lock them in a damn closet so they never touch alcohol, drugs, or any other form of medication.
Yep. Also, the "study" that linked vaccines and autism was penned by Andrew Wakefield, a legally proven FRAUD. Seriously, if anyone is anti-vaccines, they should look at the actual evidence. The man lied, and everyone in the medical community knows he lied, and now he gets money from foolish people because he lies and tells them the conspiracies they want to hear. To any conspiracy theorists: just because you don't trust the government doesn't mean you should trust everyone who says something bad about them. We don't die from illnesses like smallpox that often now BECAUSE of vaccines, not in spite of them, and the increase in autism diagnoses is mostly down to the changing definition of what is considered autism rather than autism actually just making a sudden appearance (psychology is very complex and requires frequent changes in medical diagnosis and practice based on new discoveries and research).
The National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program ("Vaccine Program") comprises Part 2 of the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 ("Vaccine Act"). See Pub. L. No. 99-660, 100 Stat. 3755 (1986) (codified as amended at 42 U.S.C. §§ 300aa-1 to -34). The Vaccine Act became effective October 1, 1988. It establishes the Vaccine Program as a no-fault compensation program whereby petitions for monetary compensation may be brought by or on behalf of persons allegedly suffering injury or death as a result of the administration of certain compulsory childhood vaccines. Has payed out 100's of millions to children injured by vax, cause they so safe.....
Or never let them breathe air, you know, it's too polluted.
Additionally, people decreasing/blocking herd immunity for those few that are allergic or otherwise to vaccines.
I am autistic, and far from being a handicap or a disability, it helps me see the world in a unique way. I am successful and have a lot of friends and a full social life.
Not just alcohol, drugs and medications... don't dare ever eat a processed food... OR eat a genetically modified food.... better go move somewhere you can live off the land and grow your own and hunt.... be safe.....
And... Jenny McCarthy
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Autism is only linked to the MMR vaccines , both pro-vaccers and anti-vaxxers fail to see this. Just like men, not all vaccines are equal
Wow. The lies really got you, didn't they? Did Jenny's fake boobs hypnotize you?
The analogy doesn't necessarily go into the part of how the anti-vaxxers choice of swimming through that water affects all pro-vaxxers whose children aren't even old enough to get vaccinated or already have health issues that requires a different vaccination schedule (like, there are vaccinations that cover multiple diseases at once, but due to health circumstances, the person in question can't get the single shot but instead needs to get the vaccination for one disease at a time spread out over time). And a random, but relevant side story: Back when I was in high school, I had a teacher whose daughter was born deaf because one of her students had measles or chicken pox. Apparently, they weren't visible, but they were still contagious. to this day, the story stuck with me.
Omg yes this! Finally someone said it at the start of the comments.
EXACTLY... they don't want to take responsibility for how their choices affect others.....
i have terminal cancer and am on chemo. my immune system is compromised. you stupid antivaxxers can kill me. thanks, though, i'm really worried about autism.
Exactly! Vaccination is so important because of herd immunity, which serves to protect people like yourselves who can't get vaccinated because of compromised immune systems! If not enough healthy people get vaccinated, there is no herd immunity!
My MIL, while not anti-vax, didn't get her kids fully vaccinated and I am worried that my future children may run the risk of catching something before they can be vaccinated... I love my MIL and like a lot of her ideas but the not getting her kids fully vaccinated bit irks me! They went to "pox and measles parties" but none of the kids ever contracted the infections. I'm seriously worried and not sure how to proceed with his family.
If it were me, I would just dodge them until your kids are vaccinated. Even then, I would show caution. Better to have pissed off in-laws than a child in a wheelchair. Remember, your obligation to your kids exceeds that of to your in-laws. And who knows, maybe they will wise up and get vaccinated rather than lose you.
Tell your husband to get vaccinated NOW. Adults do need boosters and he really, really needs to get vaccinated. If he balks, tell him one nifty little fact....When men get mumps, they end up sterile. If you're planning more kids, that should be a deal breaker. And keep your kids away from these lunatics.
It will have been measels that the student had. When the vaccine was first introduced (late 60s) it was given to teenage girls (in UK at least) as well as to babies and small children because it is so dangerous to unborn babies. I remember being given the jag aged 15ish.
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However, deafness is no more tragic than autism.
Which is not caused by vaccines.
Perhaps not, but it would have been preventable if that kid had been vaccinated. And because it wasn't, my former teacher, her daughter and the rest of her family pay the price of someone else's ignorance.
Forget the bridge analogy. It leaves out one key part of the pro vac truth. The stupid people think unvaccinated people who didn't get disease is proof of their cause. The only reason their kids didn't get sick is because WE (the pro vac approximately 90%) vaccinated our kids to protect their stupid kids!!! If most of society is vaccinated, it prevents large outbreaks. If everyone was unvaccinated we would have huge outbreaks of disease and death and then the selfish people would change their tune quickly! Yes their are very slight risks (but not for autism; studies have shown a review of home videos show the infant showed signs of autism before receiving first set of vaccines). But the risk is there and a child can die an agonizing death from pertussis or meningitis. These diseases are still around, don't be ignorant. And remember, all you anti vacs....the more you push your agenda and there are more people refusing vaccines.....the higher chance you have of your child dying.
i uh honestly don't quite grasp this anti vaxx thing. in my country,we are a developing 3rd world country in south east asia,it is known to vaxx our kids. we have been doing it since long ago and still doing it today.
"Your child will develop autism if you get them vaccinated" has been proven false so many times. Even if it was true, would you rather have your child develop autism or have them die from an illness that was treatable?
I like the chemtrails one best of all.
funny to see that most people who are ant-vaxxer are healty because their parents we're not complete moron and vaccinate their kids! anti-vaxxer are people who got vaccinate when they were kids and... shock... still alive!!!
People think vaccines cause autism?! What's next? People start thinking the world is flat again? Oh wait....
I think some of the anti-vaxxers are more like, "I don't need to use the bridge because the magical invisible being I believe in will pick me up and carry me over the water so the alligators don't eat me."
I am tired of hearing how the family of anti vaxers crossed the"river of crocodiles with minor injuries" (got the diseases but lived ) only to be disabled by a fate worse than imaginary autism. I.E. blindness, deafness, brain damage, sterility, heart disease (Rubella), decreased immunity in general, retardation, I can go on.
I am pro-vac. I have had the adult boosters as recommended. I wish chicken pox vax existed in the 80's when I caught it in High School. I can't imagine a child being forced to go through that just because their parents think it "makes them stronger" and it's a "simple disease". I have deep pock scars on my face, and shingles to look forward to because science wasn't fast enough.
I have scars as well as do many friends my age. I was so happy my daughter could be immunized.
This is as stupid as a family who my daughter went to school with there daughter. There daughter had a bad appendix and they didnt want her to be operated on ,they were or are jehovah witness. The doctor went to the judge in town and they were forced to finally let the doctor operate, the little girl almost died and was in the hospital for months from peritonitis due to there stupidity . Same thing with people not giving there kids shots , i dont believe they should allow anyone in school , any school or even home schooled unless they have there shots.
.. their ... not there. There indicates a location, not people or an individual person.
thank you for annoying people this way, I'm not being sarcastic (run-on). Helping so many learn, many are getting corrected by internet grammar police officers (misplaced modifier). If boredpanda gave awards to its grammar police officers, you're getting 1st place! (different verb tenses(fine aspects, whatever)). Not bad for a middle schooler, eh? (of yeah, that's an interjection, not a run-un, so it works).
Can I just say how proud I am of that?
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Yeah that'll improve education and will totally help future people not be stupid. *rolls eyes*
The chemtrails is a good idea
Some people fall off the bridge, and get eaten by crocodiles, you know. This was hilarious.
And the parts about "they knew a bridge that collapsed" and how a quick google of bridges taught them everything known about bridges.
Antivaxxers actually DEPEND on provaxxers. It's called "herd immunity" AV parents depend on the PV kids to protect their kids from flu, measles and chickenpox! (And don't give me that bullshit about "they're just childhood diseases" measles can cause blindness and the flu killed hundreds and thousands of people)
If you do not VACCINATE YOUR CHILDREN and they get one of the diseases prevented by vaccines and die YOU SHOULD BE CHARGED WITH MURDER!!! You do not pass go and you do not collect your $200's because you murdered your child.
I like the response from the woman who said that she'd still vaccinate her autistic son, even if she believed they cause autism, because that's better than him having polio. I've been saying that all along... The majority of people who have autism still can have a happy life, even relatively normal ones... Which is not going to be the case if you die at 2 from the fracking measles or whatever...
i like the "vaccines in chemtrails" solution
ANTI-VAX IDIOTS, LISTEN: VACCINES DON'T ONLY MAKE YOU IMMUNE TO DISEASES WITH A TINY CHANCE IN DIRE CIRCUMSTANCES OF AUTISM. THEY ALSO MEAN THAT YOU CAN'T GET AND SPREAD THE DISEASE. SOME DAY WE WON'T NEED VACCINES BECAUSE WE WILL ALL HAVE BEEN VACCINATED AND ERADICATED THE ILLNESS. BUT IF ONE PERSON DIDN'T GET VACCINATED, THEY COULD BRING IT BACK TO LIFE.
Turn off Caps Lock. That's for the other side. It makes one seem unhinged. #vaccinate
If VAX so safe, why has the VAX court paid out 100's of millions of dollars to vax injury cases? The National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program ("Vaccine Program") comprises Part 2 of the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 ("Vaccine Act"). See Pub. L. No. 99-660, 100 Stat. 3755 (1986) (codified as amended at 42 U.S.C. §§ 300aa-1 to -34). The Vaccine Act became effective October 1, 1988. It establishes the Vaccine Program as a no-fault compensation program whereby petitions for monetary compensation may be brought by or on behalf of persons allegedly suffering injury or death as a result of the administration of certain compulsory childhood vaccines. They settle the autism cases so never had to admit wrong doing......sealed by courts and can't be used in regular courts. SO SAFE http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/vaccine-program-readmore
Look at what percentage that is. Are you vaccinated? Vaccines do not and have never caused autism. Where did you get your medical training?
I think, that if you don't vaccinate your children, and they die? From an illness they would never have gotten if vaccinated? It should be considered negligent homicide. You know they could possibly die, yet you don't protect them, then, they die, you are at fault.
If you don't want the vaccine,then don't get it---but STFU when something happens !!!!
The problem with that is that you may not get the disease, but you may spread it to someone who hasn't had the chance to be vaccinated yet, or who can't be vaccinated due to other medical concerns (such as having to take immuno-suppressive drugs). YOU may not suffer, but an innocent party may suffer or die.
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Actually, autism is congenital. There is no way how it could be influenced by any vaccine unless it has a time machine.
Wow, love the analogies. The bridge, the crocodile infested waters... lol - can you idiots get it right please. The people who built the bridge are the people who built the sewer systems, improved nutrition, housing conditions etc. They and this is UNDENIABLE - I mean seriously if you deny this you believe the earth is flat and the earth is the center of the Universe lol - are the reason that disease is not running rife as it did before these "saviors" improved sanitation and health. Vaccines practically didn't do anything in comparison. Polio? are you serious? these days it is more likely you will get polio from the vaccine or as they now term it NPAFP. If small pox vaccines wiped out small pox with a minimal number of the world population being vaccinated then why the f&%K haven't vaccines been able to replicate this for measles which is just as contagious or polio etc etc etc etc etc???? Don't try to claim bridges that you didn't build. You make yourselves look incredibly stupid.
Anti-vaxxers need to understand that the whoel autism thing has been proven wrong for a very long time.
the people who are Anti-vax choose to be a part of something they think is making a statement for or against (what they might consider) being forced to par-take in and its ignorant, uneducated and quite selfish on their part because they are putting the general population whoHAVE & HAS gotten vaccinated as well as their children in danger. i feel that if you live in the united states of America OR you are TRYING to come into the united states in ANYWAY for ANY reason vaccination NEEDS to be part of that whole process. And there should Not be any kind of "loop-hole" ie: religion, beliefs, ethnicity, origins, race, color, creed or ANY other excuse for people NOT to have to do it and jeopardize EVERYBODY else who are trying to keep all of the diseases the vaccines eliminate from becoming an uncontrolled problem AGAIN. This should NOT be something that's optional. I absolutely think that the bridge analogy and the comments are a perfect way to politely voice how crucial it is to do
Put them together on an island somewhere
This reminded me to google adult vaccination boosters - which, btw, the CDC recommends being done periodically to ensure protection. It seems reasonable considering that we cannot avoid being around anti-vaxxers and/or their children (who are in the minority, btw, but are unlikely to make those around them aware of their unprotected status). We aren't responsible for what others do or don't do, but we all should at least learn what we can do to protect ourselves and others.
To those who have read about the children who suffered a severe reaction to a vaccine: is there a source of information on what would have happened if they had caught the actual disease? My theory is the outcome would be the same. Based on vaccines being "watered down" versions of the target disease. And minor reactions b eing the body's immune system doing what it is programmed to do. And I am omitting the instances of illness caused by vaccines that have been inspected and found contaminated ,compromised or expired.
Brilliant comebacks! I just don't get the (il)logic of anti-vaxxers. Have they ever seen the old "Why didn't my parents get me Salk shots" cartoon showing a boy on crutches watching his friends frolic? That is my main problem with Green party candidate Jill Stein.
It's the MMR vaccine that causes autism. That's ONE specific vaccine. Most "anti-vaxxers" aren't saying abolish all vaccines, so the snarky overgeneralized insults really just make you look retarded. Oh and the CDC falsified the results of their study on the MMR vaccine, look it up. Facts > Snarky Analogies
Nope. The MMR does not cause autism. Wakefield has a patent on his own MMR vaccine. He needed to find a way to discredit the current MMR vaccine, so he could market his own vaccine. That's why he committed fraud, during, and abused the children he used for, his 'research'.
If VAX so safe, why has the VAX court paid out 100's of millions of dollars to vax injury cases? The National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program ("Vaccine Program") comprises Part 2 of the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 ("Vaccine Act"). See Pub. L. No. 99-660, 100 Stat. 3755 (1986) (codified as amended at 42 U.S.C. §§ 300aa-1 to -34). The Vaccine Act became effective October 1, 1988. It establishes the Vaccine Program as a no-fault compensation program whereby petitions for monetary compensation may be brought by or on behalf of persons allegedly suffering injury or death as a result of the administration of certain compulsory childhood vaccines. They settle the autism cases so never had to admit wrong doing......sealed by courts and can't be used in regular courts. SO SAFE http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/vaccine-program-readmore
The point is everyone has a choice to swim or use the bridge...everyone should have the choice to vaccinate or not. Vaccines have never been proven to be safe, not one study done shows they are 100% safe without any adverse effects. So everyone should have the freedom to weigh the risks and make that decision. Vaccines are "medicine" and all medicine comes with risks, as does driving a car or jumping out of plane. Everyone gets to make that choice to get in a car or jump from a plane, the choice to vaccinate or not should remain up to the individual not the government. I am vaccine injured and the government shouldn't be able to force me to get more vaccines because if I was allergic to penicillin they wouldn't force me to take it again. It's all about freedom of choice, say no to medical tyranny.
Can I sue the bridge manufacturer if a defect causes my death, or do I have to go through some crazy kangaroo court that protects bridge manufacturers from liability?
No need. There is virtually no chance you will ever need to worry about that. And even if you were (not at all likely) there are no kangaroo courts.
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Bad analogy. A better one using a bridge. You are advised to use the bridge even though you don't need to go to the other side. You can't see the other side. Others that have used the bridge have not come back. Most of the ones that use the bridge come back with some form injury, often severe, in fact, the bridge builder has paid out billions of dollars for injuries. The bridge maker never proved the safety of the bridge. In fact, everyone that recommends using the bridge to nowhere but death or injury is paid handsomely to recommend it. The bridge spans water that has been crossed safely for centuries, only causing harm when it was allowed to be contaminated with feces. Since the water is now returned to its original clean state, it is perfectly safe to wade across, and it is much cheaper on society at large. Intelligent people are opting out of the bridge because serious questions about the bridge are not being answered th their satisfaction. How is that?
OH, it's been approved by the government...that puts a lot of faith into me and I will trust it with my very life. Maybe I will just use a boat instead.
Wow The truly stupid and ignorant have come out in droves on this ridiculous analogy haven't they. I think this 'analogy' is a test to see who is stupid and gullible enough to agree with it. Scary and disturbing how many people have failed that test
Here's the CDC's Adult Vaccine Schedule! Let's go pro-vaccine parents—Don't Be Hypocrites! If you think vaccines are a good idea for your children, then surely they have to be good for you too! You wouldn't subject your children to medical treatments you wouldn't get yourself, now would you? And get them all in one day—like infants do—and let us know how that works out for you. For your convenience, Costco is fully stocked with your favorite vaccines! http://www.costco.com/Pharmacy/adult-immunization-program.html Vaccine-Ad...bb654f.jpg
Many of the adults who are pro-vaccine have already been vaccinated as children. As for subjecting children to medical treatments which you wouldn't get yourself - does that mean if a child has acute appendicitis, they should not be allowed to have the operation until one of the parents has?
Love it. What kind of parent would do something to their child they wouldn't do to themselves? That says it all.
Please tell me why you would think the parents wouldn't be vaccinated. Explain that.
You're obviously anti vaccine. Can I assume then, that you eat only organic produce, non-GMO products, and avoid all drugs, and alcohol?
Were you dropped on your head. Of course we were vaccinated and get boosters. We don't get them at Costco, though. We go to our physician. Seems you could use one yourself.
The Catones: the DTaP (Diphtheria, Tetanus, and acellular Pertussis) vaccine led to their son's death. Nick Catone lashed out at the vaccine industry in an 800-plus word post made on June 27, and his page has been inundated with words of support as well as similar stories of kids whose health took a serious turn for the worse following vaccinations. http://althealthworks.com/13231/this-happened-to-the-wrong-family-former-ufc-fighter-speaks-out-against-vaccines-for-alleged-role-in-sons-tragic-death/
No one is saying that there isn't a minuscule incidence of complications, some of them severe, from vaccines, as with any beneficial medical treatment. But the frequency is incredibly rare, far more rare than the consequences of the diseases that the vaccines prevent. Prior to the introduction of vaccines and antibiotics, our life expectancy was 20-30 years less than it is now, and that isn't because we died at 40, it's because most humans didn't survive childhood. Now the leading causes of death have nothing to do with infectious disease in the developed world. 1 out of a 100,000 will have a reaction to vaccines, and most of those will be mild. I survived measles and mumps as a child, genital warts and shingles as an adult. You bet I get vaccines at every opportunity.
Do you have any evidence from a credible source? This is from an anti-science, pro-quackery site.
So much for vaccines eradicating disease: Toddler survives smallpox vaccine shedding reaction (Reuters) http://www.reuters.com/article/us-smallpox-boy-idUSN1744524120070518
Video of baby 'suffering up to 14 seizures a day' after getting the Meningitis B vaccination http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/parents-shocking-video-baby-suffering-9447899.amp
The Mirror? Seriously?
The thing about vaccines causing autism is that it does happen, but only in extreme circumstances. Often with very young kids in very bad physical condition, just that tiny bit of illness that your immune system can usually kill without effort is surprisingly strong, and can push the body over the edge, which is when autism can occur. And since vaccines are literally injecting the tiniest bit of a bacteria's membrane into your body for the immune system to remember, it is actually slightly dangerous if your immune system is ridiculously weak. SO only vaccinate your kids at a time when they are in at least decent physical condition.
Actually, it has never happened. I'm sorry you fell for the hoax.
Here's the CDC's Adult Vaccine Schedule! Let's go pro-vaccine parents—Don't Be Hypocrites! If you think vaccines are a good idea for your children, then surely they have to be good for you too! You wouldn't subject your children to medical treatments you wouldn't get yourself, now would you? And get them all in one day—like infants do—and let us know how that works out for you. For your convenience, Costco is fully stocked with your favorite vaccines! http://www.costco.com/Pharmacy/adult-immunization-program.html
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Yes, absolutely, but couldn't someone proof this before it was posted? It's full of spelling and other errors.
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I am a vaccine educated parent, or 'anti vaxxer' as have been dubbed. Here is my logic: No one is choosing to swim across the river. People who vaccinate use the bridge. People who do not vaccinate use the bridge. Bridges and vaccines are two different things. Apples to oranges. Pro vaccine logic: You should vaccinate without question because here: look at this bridge. Pro vaccine educate: Do not forego basic vaccine safety research because someone showed you a bridge and made a ridiculous analogy. So which logic is the wise one? Parents are wise. Parents decide.
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Bored Panda, you've truly got me bored with this one. Just looking at how biased this article is. How all the people who don't want to vaccinate their children get their comments hidden or removed, while the people who are pro vaccinating their children get the run of the page. Yawn. I'm done with this feed. I'm not interested in participating in somebody's soapbox article where all the people of one side get to stroke each other while actual dialogue gets suppressed. Let me know when real journalism starts happening. Adios.
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Unrealistic analogies. If YOUR child is in that 0.003% then your tune will be different. Yes, it works for 99.997%, but those edge cases are a trainwreck tyat Big Pharma do not want to talk about and go to extreme lengths to suppress.
You get it, Big Pharma!
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People believe this is a 'good' analogy? Wow. That's seriously disturbing. THAT is a good illustration of just how stupid people are that they believe this is a good analogy. I love that comment by Ecstatic bagel "vaccinate your kids unless you want them to die tomorrow from a disease that's been eradicated for 60 years". What a crack up. Vaccine mindset is surely lack of reason, logic and intelligence isn't it - scary just how stupid these people are
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So, so, so disappointed that you posted this clearly manipulative article. Do some research, stop the witch hunt, stop the name-calling, stop the blame.
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if you drink the coolaid at least look at the ingredientes
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I think it's hilarious and disturbing that anyone can be that stupid as to believe this is a good analogy. Reminds me of that idiotic one floating around a few years ago 'scientist sees something stupid on the internet and delivers epic response' which of course would of more aptly been titled rude idiot lacking comprehension of basic high school decides to pretend to be a scientist - disturbing fools many
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The bridge was built 100 years ago by the lowest bidder. They continue to charge tolls to cross that bridge but never use the money to update the structure. The river has been cleaned up and the crocodiles have long since left the area, but the bridge owners continue to fearmonger about crocodiles because they don't want to lose all the toll money they have been pocketing.
Antivaxer eh? Please die in a fire. The world badly needs more morons dying.
See kids? Bonnie Rourke is an indictment to the American education system. It's cool to stay in school.
Seriously, don't tell people to die in a fire because you disagree with them. Fucking hell don't wish such horrible things upon people, what is wrong with you.
Please move yourself and your not-vaccinated family to a remote island before harming others with your decision! You may as well just compare this to smokers and non-smokers being subjected to second hand smoke and end up paying the price for it.
Yet, with global migrations, you may never know if a family (or 100) of crocodiles is entering the bridge area, just as you are dipping your feet in the water you believe to be safe. Perhaps they smelled a renewed swimming trend, while they initially left the bridge area since after it was built, nobody was swimming, and they went somewhere else looking for food...
So, dumbass, you would rather run the risk of your child DYING from a disease that can be prevented and has been prevented for years thanks to vaccinations instead of them developing Autism? (Even though the idiot who spewed that nonsense has been proven a fraud time and time again)
Well actually, you won't die from crocodiles but from the strong current that never stops (and also because you're stupid)
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Recently a High Court in Germany decided in favour of a Biologist in his case proving Measles doesn't exist. Under existing standards a virus has to be able to replicate itself and his opposition was unable to do this. They initially resorted to cheating, splicing bits together to make the whole. Given that this has been scientifically proven and tested in the courts, why should we vaccinate against measles? If you produce something and it harms others, and vaccines do which is why the vaccine court has paid out billions; then you will rightfully be sued for damages. Vaccine manufacturers REFUSE to accept liability, blackmailing governments into footing the bill. And that gives you confidence in their product? Also, if vaccines work, why should the vaccinated worry about becoming infected? Surely only the unvaccinated have anything to worry about? Have any of you actually bothered to look into this for yourselves?
This anti-vax movement is the dumbest line of reasoning I've ever seen. Heard immunity does NOT work long term. It also does not work at all without others being vaccinated. So what happens if these morons get their way? All the diseases that have nearly been eradicated will come back and ruin us. I'd much prefer my child to have autism as a result of vaccines (which has already been proven to be untrue.) than have a crippling disease like polio. I've worked in the medical field. I've seen the research. Have you Sue?
@Sue Mordor. As a German, I just looked that one up. The fact your stating about a high court ruling that measles don't exist is not true. What the court did rule was that the anti-vaxxer who had promised to pay someone 100,000€ if they could provide a scientific research to proof the existence of the measles virus. A biologist provided such a paper and demanded payment and ended up suing. The anti-vaxxer did win that case and therefore doesn't have to pay. Next time, you better fact check before spewing untruths. In case someone wants to read up for themselves (it's a German article though): https://www.aerzteblatt.de/nachrichten/72736/Streit-um-Existenz-von-Masernvirus-Urteil-zieht-Schlussstrich
Dear Sue, since science is something you've heard about but never actually learned (not even the fundamental principles), and law is another thing that "rings a bell" to you, let me have the pleasure of schooling you a bit. First of all, scientific discoveries and proofs are not (nor had they ever been, at least since the Dark Ages) validated or decided upon by courts. Courts consist of legal experts, not scientists. Scientists may be invited as expert witnesses. Courts rule on evidence presented, against the claim/case submitted to their consideration. Courts (judges alone, or juries of peers) are not competent (or inclined) to do medical/biological/virology testing. Ever seen a lawyer/jury member/judge/court clerk donning a lab coat and messing with microscope and some stuff in Petri dish? I'm glad you are co caring. Especially for the children too young to be vaccinated and the ones with serious diseases that may never be vaccinated. But then again, anti-vax is the new black, right?
Sue, I would really LOVE to see your sources on this. Also, I think it would be best if your tubes were ties immediately so your idiotic ass never has the ability to reproduce. I refuse to believe that someone can be as blatantly fucking stupid as you seem to be. I pray you're just a troll with nothing better to do than spew bullshit.
Sue clearly only reads what is beneficial to her theory: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Bardens Since I know actually reading and researching is really hard, let me sum up the article: THE CASE WAS OVERTURNED.
@Patrick My understanding of "herd immunity" ("Heard" is a homophone of "herd" - I have trouble with them too) is that it's a flimsy last resort defense to be used only by those who *need* to - i.e. those whose immune systems are already too compromised for the vaccines to work as they should - like my sister in law who's immune system is so weak that she won't develop the anti-bodies vaccines are supposed to stimulate even if she were vaccinated. Further, as I understand it the greater the percentage of the herd that is not immunized, the weaker the herd immunity becomes, so it is in no one's interest to allow those who can be vaccinated to forgo it.
Ugh Sue use some sense. Vaccines do work, but some people cannot have them because they are allergic. If your kid contracts measles, which - I'm sorry but, I know plenty of people who actually remember GETTING measles, the idea that it doesn't exist is insane - someone who cannot have a vaccine is sensitive to the disease. These are usually ALREADY immunocompromised people and will get much more sick and may die if they contract the disease.
They can argue that they are saving their children from geriatric ailments, by giving them less chance of getting old. Or say death is the most natural thing - the children will get to the 'next world' quicker - where there is no suffering.
I'm sorry. Did you REALLY just deny the existence of a disease that caused outbreaks as recently as 2014? Disneyland ring any bells??
Antivaxer eh? Please die in a fire. Or jump off that bridge in the picture at the top of the thread - after the 30 story drop to the water the surface tension will splat your dumb ass like concrete.