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With taxes.

Morgorth: what do you have against paying tax? How else will you have roads, basic rights, a functioning society, education, etc?

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Taxes are a necessary evil in my book. Some of it is truly necessary for a functioning society: a defensive military, protecting rights, a court system, etc. I want to pay taxes for those. However, some taxes are unnecessary. I simply don't like the government forcing me to pay for healthcare I don't want. Here, the government is forcing me to use their healthcare insurance (which I don't want), then forcing me to pay for them. I don't want to abolish taxes (I'm not an AnCap), but I would like to see it lowered for the poor and middle classes.

The fact that you think the military is more essential than healthcare is so sad and unfortunately so American!

Hold on! I am an American and I am fine paying taxes. Taxes are the price we pay for the quality of the life we lead. I am willing to pay for good schools, cops, firefighters, all the other good things taxes buy. The idea that we pay too much in taxes is strange... we could be paying taxes for to cover our healthcare instead of making insurance companies rich and paying exorbitant salaries for insurance CEOs, but that gets the right all stirred up about socialism. For people who think it's fine to just cancel insurance... guess who pays for your medical care? The American Taxpayer.

The wealthy don't pay their fair share of these taxes that's part of the issue

Exactly right. Morgoth represents much that is wrong with this country and why other developed nations have it much better than we do. I'm sure Morgoth thinks America is #1 when we're only the top country when it comes to mass incarceration and bankruptcies due to medical costs. Oh, and his beloved military spending. We spend more than the the next 5 countries combined.

The amount of strawmans in here is breathtaking. When have I EVER said I wanted to keep this tremendous military spending? LOOK at my comments. I've said multiple times I want to multiple times I want to lower military spending and make it purely defensive. I also think the incarceration of African Americans is a problem, which can be solved by ending the horrible war on drugs. Horrible healthcare is a problem, mainly caused by government interference in the economy. Lower government interference, take away the government's powers to create monopolies and pick winners and losers, force healthcare providers to compete fairly on a free market, and not a single person will go bankrupt. You misread one sentence and automatically assumed I'm some trump-supporting idiot.

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"military is more essential than healthcare" I would rather catch cancer than watch Hitler take over my country. Wouldn't you? A defensive military is (in my opinion) more important than healthcare.

We are the only developed country that doesn't provide universal healthcare. And we spend more on our military than the next 5 countries combined. What you fear says a lot about you and it isn't good.

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Make the government smaller (less interference in the economy and fewer taxes and funding for the military). Two birds with one stone.

Morgoth, Hitler is dead. Without healthcare no soldiers.

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My point is that a horrible foreign tyrant is much worse than being unable to pay for some disease. This is why I value a defensive military (emphasis on defensive) more than universal healthcare.

My late husband and I wholeheartedly disagree.

Yes, at this point, it is a matter of personal preference. My condolences.

Thank you

The odds of me or you getting sick is INFINITELY higher than the odds of being taken over by a “Hitler”, or has absolutely no one you know gotten sick or needed a doctor in the last 85 years? What a cruel, paranoid way to live.

My point is that a disease kills one person. A foreign enemy kills thousands. I may be paranoid, but no one should ever be able to force me to use a service I don't want, force me to spend my money, then me how to spend it.

A disease kills one person??? Cancer is killing daily more than any war! Are you listening to yourself?

I said I want a defensive military. America's military is too big, we do need to defund it. However, a small military (for defensive purposes only) is still more important than free healthcare. "Cancer is killing daily more than any war" Because, luckily, we are living in a world of peace today.

Well, no it's not! Without healthy people you cannot even have a military, not even small! Health and education will always be the two most important things that governments should invest on

"Without healthy people you cannot even have a military, not even small" Having healthy people and not having universal healthcare is not mutually exclusive.

The "paying for ?? I don't want" is silly. You use roads even without a car for instance. And the car insurance? Is that reimbursed if you've not needed it?

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If I decide I don't want to pay for private insurance anymore, I can simply cancel it. If I decide I don't want to pay for government insurance, I get arrested.

Lol, no you don't. Where did you hear this? Somebody is lying to you, sir.

My point is that a private company cannot (aside from a voluntary contract) force you to use their insurance, and that you can leave (aside from a voluntary contract) whenever you want. The government, on the other hand, forces you to use their insurance and you cannot leave their insurance.

The government doesn't "have" insurance. Are you not aware that there are literally thousands of plans from hundreds of companies that YOU literally CHOOSE yourself? No wonder you're all in a tizzy. You really need a better source of information and stop listening to the people telling you that the boogeyman is coming.

As you should! So tired of these paranoid crybabies!

Well, it’s not a restaurant, you don’t get to pick and choose which taxes you want. You say you want taxes spent on defense. Well, a lot of people don’t want their taxes spent on what you think is important, either, but you don’t make the rules pal.

Yes, this is another philosophical agreement. I don't believe that society can ever order you to spend your money a certain way, no matter how large the majority votes for it. It's my personal finances, I can decide which insurance provider to use. Even if 99% of the country votes to force me to buy government insurance, I shouldn't be forced to. Imagine of the country voted on who you married--that would be a horrible place to live in. Some things get decided by society. Some things, such as personal matters, get decided by you and you alone. Some things just shouldn't be voted on.

Dead people can't contribute to the economy. It's a win/win. You get to stay alive and keep spending money. What always gets me is how many people are willing to vote against their own best interests just out of obstinacy "nObOdY CaN tELL mE WhAt tO dO". Lol, it's just silly. People will literally put the lives of their children at risk just out of a childish need to feel like they, and ONLY they are in control. Even as they toe the party line and parrot every thing they are taught to think. It's ironic and depressing. Anyway, taxes are a fact of life. I like insurance and hate paying for war, but I see it as a necessary expense bc s**t happens and someone has to pay for it. It's part of living in society. We all make concessions that we don't like bc it's for the common good. And just because it doesn't benefit you directly doesn't really matter. I will tell you this, though: if you ever wake up one day with cancer you're gonna be god-damned glad you've got insurance.

"if you ever wake up one day with cancer you're gonna be god-damned glad you've got insurance" I will, but, again, it may be against my best interest, but you may not force me. It may be stupid and moronic to get insurance, but again, you may not force me to get it. "put the lives of their children at risk" Anti-vaxxers are stupid, we can all agree.

Who is forcing you?? Why do you think you are being forced to get insurance??

"Why do you think you are being forced to get insurance??" If I don't pay taxes for the insurance, I'm getting arrested.

Also, there is no such thing as debtors prison. Someone played the Game of Life too much as a kid, lol.

But there is a punishment for tax evasion. The government shows up. It demands money, and points a gun at my head when I refuse. If this was a normal corporation, they'll get jailed for theft. However, since this is the government, I get jailed for tax evasion instead.

Soooo...don't an asshole and pay your taxes? Why should everyone else pick up your slack? You're sure as s**t not gonna fix the roads, so who is? Dude, either be a functioning member of society or go hole yourself up in the mountains with a ton of guns and wait for the feds to show up. And if you go to jail, we'll so be it. One less person living off of everybody else's efforts.

"don't be an asshole and pay your taxes" I am against a new tax, so I automatically become a tax evader is the same horrible logic as I'm against Trump, so I'm an anarchist. "Why should everyone else pick up your slack" I'm not asking that, I'm asking no one forces me to pick up their slack. "One less person living off of everybody else's efforts." You're the one forcing me to pay for your own healthcare. "either be a functioning member of society or go hole yourself up in the mountains" Begging the question fallacy. And, again, society has functioned for thousands of years without this healthcare, it could certainly function for a thousand years more.

Society didn't "function", people just DIED. Do you not understand cause and effect? Grow up. Be an actual adult and think of someone other than yourself. Lol, never mind. I'm wasting my breath. AGAIN.

I'm having trouble understanding your point. Societies don't need universal healthcare to thrive; there have been multitudes of thriving societies without that universal healthcare. Can you elaborate?

By who?? No, you absolutely will NOT get arrested!! Where the hell do you get your info from?? I didn't have insurance for the last three years. There were no warrants for my arrest, nobody pressuring me to get it. In fact, since I make less than $75,000, I pay a $0 premium and my co-pays are $10. I had no idea how quick, painless and easy it was, and it's a good thing I got it (after my husband died I left the restaurant we worked at and it was a nervous three years without it) when I did bc I'm exhibiting symptoms of colorectal cancer. I feel like a dumbass for going three years without it.

"I didn't have insurance" That's private companies. If you don't want to pay them, you simply cancel the insurance (if the contract allows), and that's that. However, private insurance is different from taxes from the government. If you don't want to pay for government insurance, you can't do anything about it. You have to pay taxes, whether you want to or not.

"insurance for the last three years" That's private insurance, made by private companies. Imagine a private company demanded that you HAD to use their service and that you HAD to pay them money. They will get punished and charged for theft and fraud. Then, imagine the government comes up, and demands that you HAVE to use their insurance and that you HAD to pay taxes for it. You refuse, so their tax collectors point a gun at you. That's the difference, and that's why I opposed the raised taxes that come with this: all this is enforced solely by coercion and force.

I got my insurance through the American Cares Act, Obamacare. Frankly, you sound paranoid and I'm just done with this discussion. Enjoy the imaginary jail you won't be going to, or whatever boogeyman that's not coming for ya. For the last time, nobody is forcing you to do a f*****g thing; you just wanna feel oppressed.

" you won't be going to" Are you saying there's no jail for tax evasion? Universal healthcare raises taxes to charge you for the healthcare. If I don't want to pay (because I don't want the healthcare), I get arrested. Private companies charge you directly. If I don't want to pay (because I don't want the healthcare), I simply refuse and nothing else happens. Private providers have a contract. The government have a gun. "nobody is forcing you to do a f*****g thing" I don't care at all about universal healthcare. I only care that you don't raise taxes. If you don't raise taxes, I'm happy.

Did you object this vociferously about Trumps golf trips?

I hate Trump as much as you do, and I believe he's a horrible president. I also agree with closing the loopholes for the rich. Just don't raise taxes.

Yes, just like I've gotta suck it up when we support a war. I don't like it, but it is what it is. We've got to give a little to get a little.

Guess you'd better buckle up for a truly unhappy life. And hey! It's the life you chose, so good for you! Somebody needs to grant you the wisdom to know the difference between things you can and cannot change. Go dump your insurance agent in a harbor or something, but no way no how are you going to get all these other people to dump their insurance and riot in the streets over $100 a year (if that). Good luck to you, and I truly hope you never get sick. Personally, the best advice I ever got was don't bet what you can't afford to lose. My life fits that bill. Yours too. Too bad you put money above it.

So what's your point? I feel we've been misunderstanding each others' points, so I want to clarify: Do you support raising taxes for universal healthcare? Do you agree everyone, regardless of whether they want government healthcare or not, have to pay for government healthcare (through taxes)?

The FAQs break it all down and lost sources. I realize it's not on as large a scales, but $150,000,000 is no chump change (Trump change? Lol