It is quite widely accepted that nearly everyone must have children during their lifetimes. However, not everyone agrees with this statement. Some people choose to never have children and are happy with their choice. Reasons for it can vary from financial or medical reasons to the inability to find a partner or even the state of the world and/or climate change.
Just like the reasons for a child-free lifestyle, there are many advantages and disadvantages to that kind of choice. Recently, Reddit user /No_Edu1998 went to the r/AskReddit community to ask about those disadvantages. And people did not hold back with their answers.
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I'm 40, I don't have kids.
4 years ago I moved to a new place and befriended my neighbour, he has 1 daughter from a previous relationship, his girlfriend has 2 more (also from a previous relationship).
They both used to work shifts, so they needed a babysitter for the two daughters of his gf, the other girl would go to her mom's place, as she lives really close.
One year ago, they couldn't find a babysitter for 3 days, and I had to pick up these 2 girls ( 5 and 8 years old at the time), from school, help them with homework, have them shower, make them dinner and then put them to bed.
They already knew me of course as I often hang out with their mother and my neighbour, but I've never kept them alone.
I had the best of times. They were a blast. Lovely, kind, would not talk back or make a scene.
Nowadays they're 7 and 9(nearly 10). I often go to their place and the youngest gives me the biggest hugs, then just sit on my lap while the oldest just sit next to me, and both will tell me about their day and talk about random stuff. We do lots of activity together and I'm now more like an uncle than just the neighbour. And I love it. I feel loved, I feel appreciated, It just feels... nice.
That feeling there, is what is lost when you don't have a kid. I think it's surely the only "pro" of having a kid.
Editing because of many comments: The goal is NOT to compare "parenting" and "being an uncle". OF COURSE being a parent is different and has many downsides. THAT. IS. NOT. THE. POINT. OF. THE. POST.
The point is:
"what's the con of not having kids? "> "the con is that you may miss of these good feelings kids give you when you take care of them"
Nothing more, stop misunderstanding this post. thanks.
I mean, he has a point. There is something about the joy kids bring. My brother has a 2 year old girl, and she brings him so much happiness. She helps him feed his cows and he tells her bedtime stories and they play blocks. I know he wouldn't trade it for peace or alone time.
This is such a sweet post. Kids bring a warmth th your heart. Those two girls also know they have another safe adult who they can go to with something they might not want to tell a parent in the future. That is precious for all involved.
Agreed. I love my nieces and nephews immensely but as the " fun aunt" I also only experience the good stuff. I'd still love them to the moon & back a million times if they were my own, but yeah, gotta admit that I've contemplated leaving them in the woods to be raised by wolves a time or two lol. Parents (good ones) deserve all the praise in the world. I definitely couldn't do it.
Load More Replies...I can get my good feelings elsewhere and it's selfish to make humans so that they can make you feel good. Also, I'm "missing" all the bad feelings kids give people, big bummer!🤣
OP is only experiencing the positive side of child raising, with very little exposure to the negatives. It seems like that's affecting their judgement.
It is about the things you miss out on... The good things. Plenty of posts about the hardships.
Load More Replies...Yeah, the little girls next door adore me. Dunno why, maybe because they want to pet my cats...? Kinda wish I could run up a tree to avoid them, but noooo. Nothing wrong with them -- they're good kids and all -- I just don't know how to deal with kids. Like, do they want to hear about early human settlements or how natural disasters have shaped human culture...?
I liked hearing about those as a kid. Try telling them about them
Load More Replies...But also you can experience this joy without necessarily having kids yourself. This post is an example. Also, doing any sort of volunteer work with children is another way to experience this joy without actually having a child.
Everyone who is saying how the OP is only talking about the good things about contact with kids and not the bad things about parenting are really not getting what parenting is all about. Of course there are difficulties with parenting. Raising a tiny baby to become a decent adult is not supposed to be easy. If it was there would be no bad people. I had a massive argument yesterday with my teenage daughter. Here’s the thing though. She’s the greatest thing I’ve ever done and after the argument she hugged me and helped me clean the kitchen. Every day she tells me that she loves me. Every single day without fail since she learned to say it and mean it. I think I succeeded because she is still doing this at 18. I’m pretty proud of myself and exceptionally proud of her.
I am 70 and has never had children, nor wanted any, but I wanted to do something after I was pensioned off. I became what in Denmark is called a School friend, meaning I go to school to work with a teacher trying to help the children to learn what they need. It is most rewarding, and somewhat similar to OP's experience. I get plenty of hugs, sometimes quite unexpected. I have worked in Kindergarten class for now 3 years, and still gets hugs from those of earlier years when we meet. Also I sometimes manage to help a child overcome a difficulty, which make me ever so proud.
Nope. I don't like being around kids...yet somehow I'm "the best" uncle (my nieces have 2, and an aunt)..
No one to avenge your death
That's why you make a will - to arrange for little things like that.
Well I’m in my 60s and I don’t have kids. The down-side is now I don’t have any family, I’m the last one left.
Sadly sometimes you can out live them as well.
Load More Replies...This! I cut ties with my blood relations because they're all super toxic. I have friends who I love more than I ever loved my relations. My friends are my family.
Load More Replies...I'm an adult orphan, too. It would be nice if there was a network for us, to help each other. I have a pet but if something happens to me...
My worst thought is what would happen to my cat if I was gone. That episode of Futurama ruined me.
Load More Replies...You cannot possibly feel lonely when you get home and your cat or cats come racing to the door to greet you, as if you had been away for days, even if you just went to pick up your mail.
Load More Replies...My estranged grandmother had 3 children and 6 grandchildren. Shes pretty evil and alienated everybody so she’s in her 80s alone. There’s no guarantee that you will have family with you when you age. Could be because of behaviors, accidents, illness etc so I personally believe that people should not have kids just because they are scared of being alone.
I am 63 in the same situation. Once my mother dies I will only have my cats.
I don’t get anything for taxes like the people with kids do.
I can’t get food stamps.
If I need help with a bill, the community center won’t help me because I don’t have kids.
Being told somethings wrong with you for not having them yet.
I'm friends with a couple who don't work and have two kids. They have more money than I make, all funded by the state. It's good people who really can't work and also might have children get their rent, insurance and more paid. These two however... they game the whole day and leave the TV to parent their 2 and 3 year old. They definitely don't have a mental illness that prevents hem from working (I know this by being their friend and a former psychiatrist)
The money from taxes will never amount to the freedom I have and the lifetime of cash I save from not breeding. Next.
The people with kids have to pay for those kids. Getting food stamps for kids means you have to feed them. Having kids is expensive so help is available FOR THE KIDS.
I know two lazy âss 20/22 year olds, who live at home with the girls mom. They don't work, get food stamps BUT they don't even have kids! My state is WAY too lenient on crâp like this.
Those benefits do not even compare to the cost of having a kid to take care of. Not even close. Especially if you are a good parent.
I have children and I don’t get food stamps, I don’t get assistance with the bills from the community. That’s only for individuals who are very low income, even if you don't have children .
Yeah, it's absurd that having kids can get you back more money than you pay in taxes, while childfree pays full boat for everything.
I live in the UK. I have always worked and so has my partner. You don’t get tax relief for having children here if you work, except for child benefit of £21 per week if you have a joint income below £1000 per week. Yet we have a benefits system whereby you can just keep reproducing and never work and be given free housing, extra money for every child you have, money for food, clothing, utilities. You can earn more for having 4+ children and never working than you can working full time. But you can’t earn self respect that way.
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People keep asking you when you're going to have kids.
Heck! My husband and I are in our 40s/50s with 7 adult kids between the two of us, and people STILL ask if we're going to have more children!!!
People need to stop asking other people about their reproductive goals.
That goes for people with kids too. I have one, I am sick of being asked if I'm going to have another (full disclosure, one irritating school Mum asks me this every single time she sees me and just will not drop it)
"If you produce children you don't went, at least people will stop asking rude, intrusive questions." Sounds absolutely stupid selfish.
I had an eastern European co-worker tell my ex-husband and I that it is our "duty and obligation" to have children because we are both fair with blue eyes and therefore our children would be the same. What an effed-up thing to say to someone. Eugenics much? Nevermind that my mother's genetics have a mish-mash of darker complexioned people and my father is quite olive skinned. I also have a darker skinned red-headded neice with amber eyes, so clearly the complexion is recessive and is unlikely to continue to the next generation. Genetics doesn't work like mixing paint colors.
Load More Replies...I was 40 and my husband 47 when we got married. When our family doctor found out, she immediately asked if we're having kids. Umm.. no lady, in a few years, most of our friends will be probably be Grandparents. Apparently, it's quite common for women to have kids well into their 40s now. I just don't have the energy for that anymore. Outside of the difference in values with kids, she's a fantastic doctor, though!
I so fekking hate this. Really, is it their business if my husband and I wanted to have kids or not? Busybodies.
Yes! I have 3 kids and the last birth nearly killed me. Like.... internal bleeding happened. I am so happy that I had already decided before the birth of the last kid that I wanted to have my tubes tied. And when I talk with others about kids and so on I always express that I am blessed with having three amazing kids but I am soooooo happy to never get another kid. And the reply is always "oh, you never know *wink wink*". And then I tell them my tubes are tied and they go pale and act like I'm not a good enough woman anymore OR they ask me how it's done and how it feels because they want it too but have always been too afraid to ask their doc.
If you have 7 kids and people are asking you if you're going to have more, it's 100% meant to be a joke.
Exactly. The answer to the question "when are you going to have kids" is "as soon as it's YOUR concern"
The con is all the fun stuff, incredible, and amazing things you get to live as a parent. I am a mom and in literal awe of this little person and who he is, how he sees the world and what’s he’s making me see in the world every single day. I get to reexperience the world thanks to my child. I now constantly look for teeny tiny insects on the ground and get honest to God excited when I see any, or when I see certain cars, or birds. Not because that’s something that came natural to me, but because it’s something my child has made me see and appreciate. The amount of absolute belly laughs this little person has given me in his short life is completely unmatched by anyone else on this earth. It‘s autumn now and I hate the cold, but I am also absolutely giddy that it‘s starting because now I can press leaves and collect nuts with my kid. Would I give two hoots about that without him? No. But with him it’s honestly one of the more exciting things I‘m looking forward to in the next month. And let’s not even discuss Christmas. My kid makes the season magical for me.
There’s so much hard s**t about being a parent and I would never want to convince anyone to have kids if you’re not up for it. Because the hard s**t is relentless even when you are 100% onboard with being a parent. But my god is it awesome too, in the most literal sense of the word.
The belief that being a parent adds something meaningful that childless people cannot get is ridiculous.
Thank you! I’ve never wanted kids and I know I wouldn’t find it meaningful to have them. I have plenty of meaning in my life, in ways that I want.
Load More Replies...I truly try to see all the tiny wonders the world has. It helps a little against depression (and worse) feelings. So just as a reminder: you don't need a kid to appreciate what the world shows and gifts us. But without the kids you may not have someone from the outside pointing it towards you - you have to do the work yourself, look for it, be open. And that's my advise: try to be more open to experience the tiny wonders of the world
Right!? There's so many cool and awesome things that occur naturally, right outside. In University, my molecular cell biology class had 2-3 entire chapters dedicated strictly to the mechanics and stuff involved in just photosynthesis. Organic chemistry taught me interactions on a molecular level that occur constantly all the time. My many different biology and comparative anatomy classes taught me seemingly small, but radically function and form change differences and analogous structures between different species, classes, etc. It's all just so amazing and crazy, you just have to look and learn.
Load More Replies...“We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” ― George Bernard Shaw
This is great, but even as an adult, I'm a biologist for a reason. I still go look out my window if I hear a new bird call, try to look up and find out what types of bugs, plants, fungus, or specific animal species in looking at, and get unreasonably (to some people) excited when I get to talk about interesting biology stuff. :D
Never being able to go to Disney World again. Yeah, I could, but a single adult male walking around a theme park just doesn't seem right. I wouldn't blame people being suspicious.
There are many people who go that don't have kids. I do. Love the single rider
Load More Replies...I love the comment about the child making Christmas magical. When my daughter was 5 she told me that she had a problem with a fat man in a red suit breaking into our house to leave gifts for children he’d never met because they had discussed stranger danger at school and he fit into the same category as people who offered you sweets in the street or asked if you wanted to go and see their puppies. After that every time her dad saw her in the street when he was on his way to work he would shout out of the car window would you like to come and see some puppies’ and she would respond ‘shove them up your a**e’. My kid is a foul mouthed legend.
This is EXACTLY how I feel about it! I love jumping in water puddles with my kids. And I'm a 39yo obese woman. Haha! That and blowing bubbles for my kids. And I love it when they show me some insect. And my absolute best advice when a kid shows you a drawing is to never ever try to guess what they drew. Instead you say: "wow it is a great drawing! Do you want to tell me about it?" And then you can just sit back and listen to the kid being all excited about the story they drew on the paper. It is never just "a jellyfish with fun colors" it's always more like "a rainbow jellyfish that is trying to make its friend, the flamingo up there in the corner, happy. The flamingo is sad because someone stole its house and it was just so excited to get home to eat pan cakes but now there are no pan cakes because there is no house...." and the story can continue for a long time. It is AMAZING!
You have to be 10000000% who want children and have the drive to be a good parent.
I have a kid, but if she's not in the mood, I do stuff like that by myself. Still fun.
My work makes me not only work more hours, but they also ‘make’ me work the hours no one else can work because they have kids.
Like later shifts and overnights. Also during Covid, people with kids could 100% telework and most still do partially. Since I don’t have kids I had and still have to come into the office every single day, no exceptions. When others with kids ask for vacations days, they always get priority, even if I asked and got it approved first.
I’ve told my work NO more then once and they are shocked when I remind them that just because I don’t have kids doesn’t mean I don’t have a life outside work.
Same here. I quit because I was denied vacation 2x in a row. Went to a jewelry store, bought a wedding band. Showed off pictures of my nephews as my own. No more denied days off.
I hate this for everyone who has to deal with it. We all deserve time off and we all have a life outside work. A**hole move to deny it.
When I was a young nurse, they gave me crappy shifts around the holidays because "you don't have kids". I was scheduled to work 3p,-11pm on Christmas Eve and 7a-3p on Christmas day. I felt one or the other was fair. My argument, I don't have kids, but I still have a family, and working this kind of schedule, I won't ever have kids.
I quit a few jobs over that. Someone else's decision to complicate their life by having kids is not my issue to accommodate.
I put an end to that in my office and it seems to be a good deal on both sides. I'm the only childless person (for a long time childless AND single), so my team knows the deal; they get summer, xmas, spring break, i'll cover. In return, I get first dibs on adding days to long weekends and my requested days off during their kids school year are non-negotiable. It's a win-win.
in the Navy, I had to have a doctor's note to call in sick but people with kids were allowed to call in when their kids were sick, no more needed. while yes, it sucks your kid is sick, I never got to miss a day that wasn't pre scheduled vacation time
It's not about if you don't/have children, it's about the lack of legislation to protect employees' rights in your country.
I worked with someone who had older children whilst the rest of us had younger children. She would always book 3 weeks during the school summer holidays so the rest of us (5 women with children under age 7) had to share the other 3 weeks between us. The 5 of us would make sure we shared the rest of the school holidays, including Christmas, equally and fairly, taking each holiday in turns and we had 4 colleagues who had adult children or no children who were also included in our sharing group. Nobody would swap their holidays with the selfish one but we would all swap holidays with each other.
At my previous job, any extra hours where offered to the single moms first. I have bills too! I have student loans and I would like to equal opportunity to have more hours.
Lack of cheap unreliable labor.
Very unreliable. It's so much easier to just do it yourself sometimes, but then how do they learn?🤣
My mother seemed to see me as nothing but a source of free labor and now I avoid her, barely talk to her, ignore her calls and will only text, except on special occasions, and am really just one incident away from being the third one of her kids to cut her out of their life.
I used to hide in my bedroom a lot even when I was caretaking my mom because I knew that if she saw me at any time in some other part of the house she would have a job for me to do! Hang some shower curtains, rearrange something in the room, sweep something, or fix something to eat that I didnt want!😂
Having too much money and free time.
Is he running because he has free time or is he running away from his money?
No such thing! Want to prove me wrong? Give me more money than I need and let's see how it turns out.
Is he being hunted for sport? Because that's only thing I can think of when I think of people with too much money and time on their hands and bitching about it. That person ain't going to escape the billionaires that way. Sprinting across open terrain like that is a sure way of being an easy target. At least wait until night time. Dork. He's going to end up on display in the lair of a supervillain.
You have fewer excuses to use to call off of work.
I'm sorry, Mary (the squirrel in your backyard) is sick today and I need to stay home with her.
I now need a day off to deal with the knowledge that Mary is unwell.
Load More Replies...I'd rather have fewer excuses and just show up to the employment I agreed to rather than being the àsshole who lies and blames their call off on children. Be an adult, grow some fùcking integrity.
Had a co worker, who I supervised that called of sick for his 2 sons, his wife and himself. I'm childless I only called off sick for myself. I worked in a male dominated transport industry. Our next level manager believed everything negative he said about me, I never said anything negative about him. I had over 40 days sick leave, 7 weeks annual leave and 14 weeks long service leave, he had a negative sickleave and annual leave balance yet I was lying on the rare occasions I was sick but he was a "job for the boys" buddy to all the senior male management. Still makes me want to spit today.
Load More Replies...My kid being sick was hardly excusable nor treated as a valid reason to stay home. I've been written up so many times at all my jobs for having to tend to my kid. And then I would get sick and that was another ordeal, more work missed and a small paycheque, as I didn't get any paid sick days.
if you name your pet a person name you can pretend they are sick whenever you want!
"call off of work"- do you mean getting paid and not coming into work? Or using your paid off days? Because where I'm from, there is nothing such as "excuse"- if my children gets sick and I have to stay home and take care of them, I have to use my vacation days.
I stopped giving reasons 10 years ago. I have paid time off. I'm not coming in. The end. Most of my team is the same. It's our time and we're entitled to use it how we wish.
It's not like parents are having a great day off if they're home with their sick kids. They're likely calling/visiting doctors offices, cleaning puke, worrying like crazy over what's wrong with their kids. And likely while still getting calls from work about stuff that isn't really important.
You don't owe your employer a reason. "Personal reasons," should be enough of an explanation if they ask. If they press, it may be an HR issue.
youd then get fired for taking days off without sufficent reason.
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I think it’s best to frame having kids as going on an epic life-changing adventure. There will be glory and wonder and there will be horrors. The highs will take you higher than you ever thought possible but man are those lows low.
So Con: you’ll miss out on this epic adventure.
BUT there are other paths to other adventures, ones with their own excitement and peril. Or maybe you’re more of the “stay in the Shire” type. That’s fine too.
Parenting really is like a roller coaster ride. Some love it, others might get to puke a lot
I love it but mine is now 18. So an adult. I keep having to remind myself that I was at University, living alone and my parents had to speak to me once a week when I was her age because we didn’t have mobile phones then. But I still want to phone her whenever she isn’t here and I stop myself. I now want to puke a lot because I worry a stupid amount about a very sensible young woman who I know I can contact whenever I want to but I also know she needs her space.
Load More Replies...Only problem is when you realise you're not the outdoors type, it's too late. The kid is already there and you can't go back.
Having to listen to all the parents tell you what a joy raising a family is
It's funny how parents tell childless couples the joy of parenthood, but they complain bitterly about how hard it is the rest of the time.
This is SO stupid! Have children so that you too can lie to childless people about being miserable? Nah. Parents can keep that shìt to themselves.
Funny thing is all they do is b***h about their kids to people who have kids...but to the childless, their family is a wonder to behold
“It’s the hardest thing in the world… but it’s also the best thing that’s ever happened to me.”
That has never happened to me in all the 30 years of being an independent adult.
Honestly everyone has a major stick up the butt about people with kids lol. There seems to be alot of angry people commenting about how parents complain but then say they're happy. It's because that's how anything worth doing is. Going through school for the career you want and then maintaining that career is hard as hell but fulfills many people. Yet I never see anyone ripping on career focused individuals for this. 🤷♀️
Oh but they still tell you, as a lecture, or to "recruit" you, sometimes passive aggressively, out of jealousy and regret.
I feel like the ratio of complaining about their kids and everything they have to do with their kids versus the joyful exclamations about their kids is very high.
According to Reddit there are none. Having kids is a drain on your finances, your personal wellbeing, and ruins the planet.
I had one because I thought we could provide a loving, stable home to raise someone who could be a productive member of the next generation of people. It’s also fun to pass down traditions such as dressing up and trick or treating for Halloween, drinking out of the hose in summer, that the proper way to eat ice cream is with sprinkles. I knew I would miss out on that if I didn’t, it’s sort of intangible and lots of people on here would say it’s not worth it. I don’t expect them to take care of me when I’m old, but I’d be honoured to still be a part of their life when they are an adult.
This is lovely. I admire OC for realizing that they can affect the future by raising kids in a loving, stable home now.
The can affect the future more positively and selflessly if they didn't breed.
Load More Replies...We have a lineup of neices and nephews to do these things with. I don't expect them to take care of us when we're old, but if they're smart, they'll check in on us once in a while and hopefully we can leave them a little something at the end of our lives.
Mine are a drain on my finances, our income supported two people much better than it supports five. Sometimes they do make me crazy, too. However, that whole second paragraph makes it worth it.
Thank you to who wrote this. All the hating on parenting and family life these days is so sad. Let’s all respect each others decisions (whatever they be) without making degrading comments.
Childfree people have had to listen to people bashing our lifestyle for decades. Now it's our turn. And many countries are are dealing with the consequences of more people not having kids. Japan, China, South Korea are just a few whose populations have dropped dramatically.
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I'm having medical emergencies in my 40s and still need my 70 year old parents to bring and take me to appointments.
I'm in my 40s and can can confirm that a little person who is freeloading in my house is completely useles when it comes to taking you somewhere, they can't even reach the clutch with them tiny hobitses' feets🫣
I'm dying. Yes! How about if they're still little people. Helps if you have siblings tho.
Load More Replies...Not sure that many people in their 40's these days have kids who could take them to appointments. I'm in my 40's and have a newborn. Not helpful at all.
Having children means that the parent automatically comes with a nurse? If that's your thought pattern, you're a shìt human being.
No, but it does mean someone who can be told 'if problem, call xxxx'
Load More Replies...We have special non emergency medical transport where I live.
Load More Replies...They already do, just set your destination for the medical center 🤷🏼♂️
Load More Replies...The mistreatment of the ukelele in the photonis distracting me from the verbiage. You don't treat instruments like that!
How is that image supposed to be related? Why the guitar? Why is the driver not looking forward?
If you are in your 40s you sometimes have kids who are in there 20s and can take you so yes they do help
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Holidays are kinda depressing.
I went to watch my nephews open gifts on Christmas morning then spent the rest of day changing exhaust manifold gaskets, oil change, and a tune up on my truck just because I had nothing going on.
C'mon over here, dude! I don't drink, but the dog and I cook a pretty mean dinner, and there's always leftovers. And, my tree is mighty sweet. Decorated in the finest $1 store fare, but it looks really great.
I just try to make it relaxing, beautiful days for me and friends. I try to make it magic through decoration, lights, stories, games and other stuff I always enjoyed. Of course it will never be the same as when you were a kid or maybe with kids but you can try to just make it special for yourself. With our without friends. Your are not struck to an unpleasant experience or so. Take action
Yes. I spend my holidays in much the same way. I like silence and my habit is to watch the worst possible holiday movies and eat a whole box of chocolate by myself at the same time. I also meet the family and I am grateful that I don't have to cook a large amount of food, decorate, participate in traditions and be doing something all the time, I can just be.
Load More Replies...Holidays are a sham and a way to guilt people into buying cràp and visiting with people they don't like, all in His Holy Name.
It's so true. Christmas magic is never more potent than when it's for young children.
After my mom and brother died I spent a Christmas with my uncles family, and I got so sad.
When I was single, I usually traveled alone over xmas. Usually got a good deal on single seats for both flights and theatre/musicals. Since single seats usually stay empty, especially on xmas day.
I get $230 a month in foodstamps I don't have kids I'm on a limited income disability only people who have kids can get cash assistance. I have friends who have one kid and get $500 in foodstamps.
So you were invited to share in the joy of a young family's Christmas morning and spent the rest of the day relaxing and doing whatever because you had the freedom to do it. I hope you get out of your funk one day and improve your perspective on life because that actually sounds pretty good.
Less chores and expenses and noise and expectations and I could keep going. Holidays alone or with friends, or any other way YOU want to spend it, is a blessing. Sure, little kids get very excited about Christmas and it's cute but after a while it becomes too stressful. Not worth it.
As someone who's not married and has no children: It would be nice to have a closely bonded group of relatives to come home to every day.
There’s a chance that a family is not close, but it’s a 100% guarantee that without a family a single person living alone will come home to an empty home every day. (Unless they’re being robbed or about to be assaulted or murdered)
Load More Replies...Yup! If you have a partner and children, you all will inevitability be closely bonded and everything will always be happy. 🙄🙄🙄🙄
I love coming home to my daughter after work and get a big ol' hug to melt a rough day away. Pets are nice, too, for that. I miss my cats.
I'd say one con is that I since I don't have to get up early on the weekends to shuttle kids to games and events, I sometimes sleep in later that I expected. You wake up, and you've missed breakfast at McD's, and have to order from the lunch menu. No hashbrowns for you. It sucks.
You can have a cat to wake you up at 3 am too if that's what you want. Or a dog. Or - believe me - an alarm clock!
Have a cat and a dog. Nothing wakes you up faster att 3 a.m. than the sound of the cat hacking up a hairball, and the mad dash to get to it before the the dog does. if you know, YOU KNOW...
Load More Replies...More rest and less trash food, what a bummer. I'd rather be in poor health and eat garbage while I scream at little humans I never wanted. /s
I like going to McD's and ordering PANcakes. The confused looks on the cashier's face is priceless. They get so annoyed "What? Do you mean hotcakes?" Same thing, but I hate saying hotcakes. Buuuutt.... hahaha "Yeah, I want pancakes, hotcakes. Make sure to stack them up real nice for me, please." XD
Oh how I love sleeping in on my days off or before afternoon shifts. Who the f*ck wants to get up at 6AM for another person.
You’re** and nah McD’s breakfast is super popular for a reason :) if you don’t like it that’s totally cool, at least WE won’t judge YOU for it
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My dad's side of the family is enormous. Each independent family unit has 2-4 kids, so I grew up with great grandparent, grandparents, aunts, uncles, and lots of cousins. My mom's side of the family is much smaller. Only one aunt and two cousins. My dad's side was always much more enjoyable on occasions and holidays. Also much more supportive when it came time for family support.
But the real kicker was watching my grandparents grow old. My dad's parents were constantly surrounded by family with a lot of care and support as they grew old, not to mention, many more people to share the expense. My mom's parents had almost nobody. As their friends started to pass away, there were even fewer. My mom and her sister both had busy lives and couldn't spend a ton of time with them. Health, especially mental, deteriorated much more rapidly than the other side.
Anyhoo. That's one of the major reasons that we had kids. People are joy, so we wanted some people of our own to continue the legacy of joy and support.
But it is not always so. Some children simply "divorce" their parents for reasons that are sometimes clear to anyone but the parents.
People with kids, will never stop treating you like you’re strange for not having them.
I find this weird because as a person with kids, I understand exactly why people might not want them, much better than I did before kids. I think it's people with adult kids (and rose tinted glasses) and younger people who want, but don't have kids, that are the least understanding.
I'll pout about it during my peaceful 2 hour bath sipping wine and reading a good book.
I get this feeling even as a parent. If you don't have more than one kid, or planning on having more than one, other parents don't want anything to do with you. Especially if you're not in an MLM, or have your kid in some sort of sport or other activities and not on the school's committee.
Honestly (and this goes for both those who has kids and for those who won't have kids) I think this anti-the-other-group is so stupid. I really think that if a person with kids act like everybody MUST have kids because they themselves claim it is the best thing ever is actually not really sure if having them kids were really a great idea. And those without kids who seem so darn angry at those with kids seems to me like they are actually insecure if the childless lifestyle they have is what they really want deep down. If parents are happy and content with having kids then they (imo) don't care if other ppl have kids or not. And those without kids who are happy and content with their choice don't really care if others have kids or not. My point is: if you are happy with your choice and have no doubt that this is what you need for yourself, then you won't feel a need to attack ppl who chose the opposite than you. (Let the downvoting begin...)
I'm going to put the lonely stuff aside about getting old.
The cons, is you never get to experience life through your child's eyes.
You don't get to see their love and excitement that happens when they see you coming home from work.
You don't get the joy and fulfillment of teaching them, spending time with them and watching them grow.
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I get these are just short answers, but it's hard to really describe the fulfillment when your daughter runs up to you shouting "Daddy,daddy,daddy" and then just wants to hang out.
In addition to that, they are f*****g hilarious.
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Edit: for all the comments of folks that think I'm describing a dog, I have 7 dogs. It's not the same. I can be close at times they are gentle souls.
"In addition to that, they are f*****g hilarious." YES. Kids are the best comedians in the world, even when they don't mean to be. I have nearly wet myself more times playing with little kids than I have ever watching a comedian or a funny movie.
Become a teacher or volunteer and you'll get to teach children, watch them grow, and then enjoy a nice quitet home to decompress in. Buy a pet if you MUST have someone excited when you get home, DON'T CREATE MORE HUMANS!!!
I try to keep an much good childhood memories and feelings with me as possible. This helps to feel joy when watching an insect, running through a bunch of wheat with your fingers, hearing the rain outside and so on. This also helps to show empathy with younger people/kids because I remember that for example I found adult conversations boring as a child so I give them a funny book or so when visiting. They really appreciate that I say I understand them. Many adults and especially parents seem to have forgotten what it was as a child. Folks, keep your inner child and good memories alive as much as possible. It helps a bit against depression, is good for interaction with the young and all in all a valuable treasure
Disagree. I get this with others' kids but I don't have to take them home
I get all of that from our dog. No child would ever be as happy to see me return from just a walk to the mailbox...
I don't have children, but I still experience these joys with my friends babies, my niece and nephew and even random stranger kids at the airport, bus, playground or shop. When my niece and nephew were younger, I was a huge part of their life and their eyes lit up seeing me as well.
I'm absolutely sure this man has not had children his whole life, haha
Load More Replies...I work with older people mostly those with serious and complex medical problems. Very often the role of carer falls to the childless adult child. Due to the perception "they don't have anyone else to take care of thus it's their duty".
Visit any care home and see all the neglected seniots whose children visit rarely.
Work for a care facility (actually a chain of over 200 facilities, but I work for 28 of that chain) and the reason family don't visit is usually cause either the kids are a******s or the parent's were/are a******s and the kids finally are free. Having kids doesn't guarantee someone will visit you in the home. Raising them with love and support increases the chances of visits.
Load More Replies...My dad is needing more and more help. He lives on his own, 1500 miles away and won't even consider moving. Therefore I'm very limited in the help and support I can provide. His choice.
I'm my mums main support after my dad passing away. She's not old but she's physically and mentally ill. I organise pretty much anything that requires a phone call or interacting with humans. I talk to her every day, even if it's just a couple of messages. I go to appointments with her. I also have 4 kids and look after my severely ill, disabled wife. I have 2 living brothers, one who lives with his SO, one who lives alone but has a GF. I can count on my fingers how many times one of them has seen my mum since dad died. The other messages her every couple of days after spending 6 months pretty much ignoring her, wrapped up in his own grief. Kids without kids aren't always the ones to step up
Had a few relatives tell me to ook after my parents in their ading years. Nope, no way. They would NEVER wanted me to stop my life to look after theirs...still have a few cousins mention it ( I'm the youngest of 40+ cousins...and I'm in my early 50s), thankfully my sister and brother in law add their voice to no never.
By that logic, anyone who is good to you, you owe them. Be a good parent so that your kids will be burdened with your rotting àss when you're older? Can you be more selfish?!?!?! That's why there's care facilities for the elderly with TRAINED PROFESSIONALS who have dedicated themselves to helping the elderly. It is not every humans job to lower their quality of life whenever their selfish parents decide they want help. Goddàmn, I hope you're sterile!
Load More Replies...Can't really think of any except no one to take care of me if I do make it to that age, but that's selfish AF anyway.
Totally selfish AF. If I had kids and I was too old to take care of myself, I would voluntarily move into a home where someone gets paid for it, or just, you know, end it. (Not saying old people should. Personally I would. I'd rather not be a burden for anyone, especially my loved ones.)
I am the estate executor for my uncle (aunt died 7 years ago and they had no kids), who died in January. Today I went down and signed the papers preliminary to close on his house, which we just sold a few weeks ago. Closing will be next week. After I signed the papers, I went over to the house which, over the last eight months my family and I have been slowly been emptying and working towards selling. I sat in that empty house and stared out at his property and got really really sad because, well, this is it.
In 4 to 5 days, it will be like him, and my aunt will have their entire life erased from this earth. There’s nothing that they’ve passed on, or rather, I should say down to their children, other than mementos and things like that which we’ve all taken in the probate process. Also, of course we all have our wonderful memories with them and love them so much but the entire life that they’ve built together in that house over the last 30 years is about to be completely erased and I know that our buyers will make it into a wonderful home for themselves, but it just feels so odd like if we didn’t remember them it would be like their entire lives will be washed away.
And I know having children wouldn’t necessarily always solve that problem but since none of us live near his property, and none of us can afford the property, no one can buy it and so it’s left to be sold and it just feels like if they had had children maybe they would’ve had someone directly to leave their house too, leave their life to, and our family in that spot could continue.
So I guess long story short I kind of see that as a con to not having kids. My mother and father, myself, and brother will all remember my aunt and uncle and so will my first cousins but after we’re gone it feels like no one will remember them anymore….like they were never here.
Idk just makes me sad
Everyone is forgotten eventually. I find that comforting. No matter how big your screw up, a few thousand years and no one will remember. We, all of us are impermanent in a universe in constant flux. It just makes our time existing precious. We are mayflies enjoying our day in the sun.
"Create more humans because I think I'm so special to this plant that people should be talking about me long after I'm dead." Again, another selfish, egotistical reason to breed.
I read this kind of stuff all the time and I wonder WTF? So what? I don't care, personally, that when I'm lawn food that there's nothing/no one else. You're not here to make someone happy. If it happens while you're here, GREAT. If not, then oh well. Sounds kinda nihilistic, but, sorry not sorry. If the only thing I'm remembered for is teaching a niece the words to Mack the Knife, and had her tormenting her father with it while driving on the highway, I'm good.
My oarents had 8 children and yet they still feel forgotten in a way when i drive past their places they lived as some abandoned,some others living there,like their memory is being overwritten.So that is depressing but the people who loved them and remember them make them live on, with or without children..Good friends,relatives and such.
I think that you may be forgotten, but what you did to people will have left its mark on the world.
I'm not really understanding why this is sad. Most people are forgotten after a generation or two. And why would they care? They're dead!
President Truman will be remembered as the only (unless it happens again) leader of a country to order the nuclear bombing of another (Japan).
You have to laugh at your own farts.
Our 2yo will make the 😯-face and say "faaaaaart!" And then laugh her crazy little laugh. Haha! The two oldest kids (age 4 and 6) will laugh and try to blame the fart on eachother or their dad. (Often, I am the actual person to blame.... but they rarely believe that, for some reason. Haha)
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It can make you feel isolated from your peers, whether childless by choice or circumstance
And I imagine, on the flipside, breeders may feel isolated from life , in general, because they're held back from fulfilling their dreams, can't be spontaneous, and, really, are restricted from basically everything for adults.
This can work both ways. Back in undergrad, I had a close group of girl friends. There were four of us. In our final year, one of the girls got pregnant. We were all there to help her out, we'd baby sit, let her bring the a baby to study sessions, all that jazz. She ended up dropping out in her last semester and none of us have heard from her since. We witnessed first hand how detrimental having a kid can be when you're pursuing a career in medicine and the remaining three of us are still child free a decade and a half later. You surround yourself with people that share the same interests and goals as you. For some people those people have kids, for others it's people that don't. Neither group is better than the other.
Personally I don't mind being isolated from them. Perks of being an introvert.
None of my friends have kids so I definitely do not feel isolated from my peers
Don't parent often complain that having kids alienated them from their friends?
True. But my peers were stupid. Despite not having them, I have helped raise them! So my peers miss out on, “I can feed and change the baby. Enjoy your food and cuppa hot for a change.” Parental snobbery is the worst! One friend handed me her baby, I had him changed, fed and winded and asleep in under an hour. “How did you DO THAT? He is a colic-ridden nightmare.” Turns out she was barely tapping his back and getting no wind out of him.
I have no heirs for my fortune. I have to count on a gold digger wanting to inherit.
This one is not to be taken seriously. It is a joke, my Pandas. People with a fortune know exactly what to do with their money.
Other than life insurance policies, we plan to spend it all. Anything left goes to animal rescue groups in a trust.
Load More Replies...Move over you I'll be helping with their money lol
Load More Replies...Donate it? Use it to put underprivileged kids through college? You have o many options.
Or the fortune could be passed on to a worthwhile organization that's fighting to better the planet. But nope, more selfishness. "I create humans so that I can keep the money I've been hoarding out of the hands of others."
Well if this WAS serious, you could always leave it to charity. I would.
At the age now where my friends from high school are shipping their kids off to college and becoming late 30’s empty nesters. Basically regaining all of the perceived benefits of us childless folk, but with a whole adult offspring out in the world. That part seems pretty cool, but still no regrets on my end.
Wait until those "empty nesters" start having to become free childcare for their grandchildren.
Late 39s emptynesters?! Lol that might be true to of people that were dumb enough to start having kids right out of high school.
Cuz you're working on the notion that that's how life goes. Kids grow up, go to college, Mom & Dad grow grey, everyone is happy. Please, stop watching so many movies, you're distorting your perception of reality.
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I would like to think that raising my own children I would be able to teach them kindness and acceptance to help rid the world of the stupidity that we can't get over. I likely won't have that chance at least on my own children, but planning to volunteer to maybe help others' children.
It usually comes down to the kid's spirit, natural personality. My ex is a good example that no matter how good you raise your kid, they'll end up being who they want to be, and that could the opposite of the parent's efforts. So glad mine became the opposite of her dad lol.
This person is assuming that children are robots and capable of being programmed, no autonomy, they will become the person I think I shaped them to be.
Do, it. Helping others is like taking care of children or pets (just part time), and getting you happiness and sometimes the opposite, just like with children.
Funny how it's the following generation's responsibility to fix what's going on /s
When I want to impress my wife by doing the dishes, I can't just secretly get the kids to do it for me
He's not wrong. Dad could clean the living-room for mom, but with us (his valiant troops) we could do the dishes and vacuum and clean our rooms too before she gets home.
Rethink the situation: parentify the children to feed Dad's ego and pension for being lazy.
Load More Replies..."impress by doing the dishes" wtf are you 7 years old? what kind of man doesn't know how to clean the dishes, let alone not do any house cleaning whatsoever?
But with no kids, there will usually be a lot less dishes to clean.
1) You get excluded from friends events who have kids.
2) Some special events like Christmas may get lonely as everyone is with their families.
3) Less excuses to get off work. I have work colleagues that take off all the time as they have to watch their kids perform or look after their kids. I call b******t but nobody questions them. I don't get time off to enjoy being single.
4) People think there is something wrong with you. Nobody wants to have kids with you because you're hiding a dark secret etc.
5) People you may be somewhat close with assume you have excess money to spend on their kids.
All I can think of, if the top of my head.
Never married, no kids, people think I'm gay. Family members even. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but it gets old.
OMG yes. I don’t get this much anymore but there was a time when single somehow equaled gay in the minds of everyone I know. Never mind that most of the gay people we all knew weren’t single… when someone tells you their sexual orientation, just believe them! No matter what you might think
Load More Replies...Again, perks of being an introvert. I don't care about all of these, but I can see why it bothers other people. All I can say is, find people with the same lifestyle as you. You'll have more in common than those who started families.
The best 3 Christmas eves I ever had was the ones where I was by myself. And yes... I have kids and I still think those lonely Christmasses were the best. I would sleep in. Wake up at some point. Take a walk. Watch this Disney cartoon show that airs each year at 4pm. Open my presents right after the show. Make what I like to eat for dinner. Eat it in the livingroom while having only candles lit. No lamps. Just candles. Oh, and the TV. And I'll watch all the awful and lame Christmas movies I can get my eyes on. Haha! It was the best. May never have that again but it's ok.
I had at least one of my children in my home from two days after I turned 20 to when I was 62. Less then 4 years later my wife had to start caring for our 2 year old granddaughter five days a week.
Technically, those people with kids that need to get time off, don't get to use it for a holiday, where as those without kids do, or is leave not allocated like that?
1) no one wants the childless person at a child event. 2) if Christmas is lonely, that's your problem. find friends. 3) you have no idea how often kids get sick. like no f-ing idea. you think we want to go home and watch our kids? we'd rather be working. 4) no one thinks their is anything wrong with you. you perceive it that way. 5) no one expects anyone to buy anything for their kids...... you sound like a selfish person, as most of the things you listed as "cons" are about your ego.
I guess you've never been around entitled Karen-type of people to think there are no one who expects you to buy anything for their kids. And you obviously haven't come across people who make (snide) comments about you not having kids yet. If you did you never would have made these tyoes of assumptions. You say the writer of this post sounds selfish but isn't that you? Stop projecting.
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Having to pick up the dog s**t in the yard myself.
would happily do that over changing dirty diapers anytime! the one and very annoying thing about dogs though is the giardia!
But it can be messier. Projectile s**t is a thing.
Load More Replies...The constant thought of what could have been. Or, who they could have been. As a father of two, the largest surprise was the change in social life. We’ve made so many more friends since having them.
I think you're coming into this with the preconceptions of someone who wanted kids. I don't have kids, and I am not bothered by the "constant thought of what could have been". I wouldn't say it's an occasional thought. And I did think I wanted kids once. "What could have been" is for people with regrets, not people without kids.
Never had any don't want any and haven't changed my mind!
Load More Replies...All the reasons I can think of still don’t outweigh the fact I would feel guilty and inadequate as a parent. Never been maternal. Never wanted kids. Never really felt close to my parents either. Having them to reduce loneliness seems a common theme, especially as we age. Kids and family don’t guarantee company! We choose the people we surround ourselves with and after a certain point you may not like them, may not even love them and vice versa.
A lot of people I know moved to other countries as adults and intend to stay there - they won't be able to help their parents with anything or even against loneliness very well.
Load More Replies...I have some regrets not having kids, but I will take the freedom and extra money.
I have no regrets that matter when talking about kids. I feel like bringing kids into this dumpster fire of a world is selfish.
Load More Replies...Some of these people sound like they just need to join a book club or a community bowling league or something. Just because you don't have kids doesn't mean you have to live like you're in solitary confinement.
I like babies, I like kids from around 5 years and up, but the middle part just seems awful (when looking at friends who have kids). Being pregnant and giving birth seem like literal nightmares. Don't even get me started on the risks. That said, I wouldn't want to be a parent, but I would very much like to have a family.
How do these people explain to their kids that the world is overpopulated and in the next 25 years there'll be real consequences to that. That they'll likely have to suffer rampant food poverty and starvation. I'm curious.
Any disadvantage is more than made up for by having a fully paid-off home, vehicles, no college expenses, and no other debts, plus a well-funded retirement. None of this would have been possible if we had kids.
I don't mind that I'm 48 and still single but sometimes when I get home in the evening after work I do the batman returns catwoman joke: "Honey, I'm home! ... Oh, that's right, I'm not married." And then I get a little sad. But just a little.
People assuming that you have all the time, money, and energy in the world and have no excuse to be busy, broke, or tired. We still have s**t going on in our lives too.
All the reasons I can think of still don’t outweigh the fact I would feel guilty and inadequate as a parent. Never been maternal. Never wanted kids. Never really felt close to my parents either. Having them to reduce loneliness seems a common theme, especially as we age. Kids and family don’t guarantee company! We choose the people we surround ourselves with and after a certain point you may not like them, may not even love them and vice versa.
A lot of people I know moved to other countries as adults and intend to stay there - they won't be able to help their parents with anything or even against loneliness very well.
Load More Replies...I have some regrets not having kids, but I will take the freedom and extra money.
I have no regrets that matter when talking about kids. I feel like bringing kids into this dumpster fire of a world is selfish.
Load More Replies...Some of these people sound like they just need to join a book club or a community bowling league or something. Just because you don't have kids doesn't mean you have to live like you're in solitary confinement.
I like babies, I like kids from around 5 years and up, but the middle part just seems awful (when looking at friends who have kids). Being pregnant and giving birth seem like literal nightmares. Don't even get me started on the risks. That said, I wouldn't want to be a parent, but I would very much like to have a family.
How do these people explain to their kids that the world is overpopulated and in the next 25 years there'll be real consequences to that. That they'll likely have to suffer rampant food poverty and starvation. I'm curious.
Any disadvantage is more than made up for by having a fully paid-off home, vehicles, no college expenses, and no other debts, plus a well-funded retirement. None of this would have been possible if we had kids.
I don't mind that I'm 48 and still single but sometimes when I get home in the evening after work I do the batman returns catwoman joke: "Honey, I'm home! ... Oh, that's right, I'm not married." And then I get a little sad. But just a little.
People assuming that you have all the time, money, and energy in the world and have no excuse to be busy, broke, or tired. We still have s**t going on in our lives too.
