“We Don’t Owe Her A Family”: Woman Is Rejected After Inviting Herself To Fiancé’s Family Trip
Adjusting to the family dynamics of your partner is a challenge for many. Some families are boisterous and fun, while others are more subdued and respectful. Some will welcome you with their arms wide open, showing seemingly infinite enthusiasm for you being there. Others prefer to take it a little slower, trying to get to know you better so you know their love and respect is merited. And, as long as they are not mean-spirited, all of the approaches are valid. However, that doesn’t make it easier to navigate them.
The woman in the following story seems to have misread the family of her fiancé. The user @fsinlaw turned to the r/AITA community complaining about the boundaries she’s been crossing and how difficult it’s been for the family to deal with it. But have they been open and accepting enough of her situation? Scroll down to read the full story and what therapist Joshua Terhune had to say about it.
Everyone knows—dealing with in-laws can be tricky. The balance one has to strike between closeness and respect is challenging at best
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The woman from this story seems to have been too eager to become a part of her fiancé’s family. Or was the family too dismissive of her needs? You can be the judge
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Bored Panda talked to licensed therapist Joshua Terhune, who specializes in trauma, parenting, and ADHD, to get his perspective on the situation. He noted that he sees everyone’s point of view. According to him, it’s important to interpret everyone’s behavior with grace. “The stepsister is open to having a close relationship with Jenny, but that trust needs to be built over an extended period of time. Jenny has never had a family who genuinely loved her and cared about her. Now that she’s close to having one, she wants to rush the process and make up for lost time. And Nico doesn’t want to hurt his fiancée’s feelings and wants everyone to get along during this emotional time.”
That’s why it’s not really a surprise that the commentator’s opinions were mostly split about this story. Some thought that the boundaries that the family has are not unreasonable. They simply take it slow when it comes to communicating with new people. Others defended the fiancée, who obviously has been through a lot. Maybe, as someone who’s not had a close family before, she assumed the bond will be instant and natural. Maybe, the fact that the family was not instantly gushing about her presence made her feel unwanted and even rejected.
Redditors also pointed out that the brother of the OP could have done a better job talking to his fiancée. “Nico said he would handle it and it seems like he hasn’t,” Terhune agreed. “Since he has a much closer relationship with Jenny, it’s his responsibility to provide appropriate expectations and boundaries for interacting with his family.”
“It sounds like this situation was ultimately inevitable because Jenny needed to know with 1000% certainty how her family truly felt about her,” says Terhune. He explains that people that grow up in foster care believe that words don’t matter because people always break their promises. That is why Jenny kept seeking verifiable proof that this is it, this is her family and they won’t let her down. “She desperately needed their words and actions to line up with one another and communicated this in the best way she knew how.”
It’s important to approach this situation with kindness and give Jenny lots of grace
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So, how should the family manage it? According to Terhune, “By setting limits and tolerating emotional intensity.” He says that one can be firm and kind at the same time. Once you understand that Jenny’s responses are related to her trauma, it should be easier not to take it personally.
According to the therapist, what OP said to the fiancée was, indeed, unnecessarily hurtful. “It’s important for the stepsister take responsibility for HER behaviors. She could’ve chosen many different ways to handle this before hurting Jenny’s feelings.” He also urges the family to be gentle but firm with their boundaries.
Terhune also points out that Jenny has quite a bit of work to do to get through this trauma. “First and foremost, she needs to develop the awareness of the impact she’s having on others.” Then, she’ll have to start working on finding her inner peace. Terhune lists learning about her triggers, learning how to shrink the critical voice in her head that convinces her that she is damaged and unlovable, and grieving for her inner child. She’ll also have to start managing abandonment despair and dissociation and forgiving herself for all the ways she has hurt others in her quest to get her emotional needs met. “And finally, developing a way to identify emotionally mature people in her life in order to develop healthy relationships with them.”
When it comes down to it, it’s all about managing boundaries and attachment styles
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Boundaries is something we learn as we’re growing up. We use the examples we see around us as a base for what healthy boundaries look like. That is why people who had dysfunctional relationships as children often struggle to set and adhere to them. The same could apply to people like the OP’s brother’s fiancée, who grew up in foster care. She might have not had a good model for boundaries as a kid so she struggles with them as an adult.
Terhune also points out that growing up in foster care can really impact the ability to develop secure attachments. We learn them from our caregivers and they are the blueprints for all our future relationships. “If your parents were able to provide the love, support, and skills when you were little, you will begin to internalize those skills as you get older. However, if they were inconsistent, Jenny may not have developed the necessary trust that others will be able to help her when she needs it. So, she often relies on being clingy or controlling and may feel over-responsible for the well-being of others.”
All in all, the fact that the OP posted the story on Reddit seems like she is taking her time to reflect on the situation. Hopefully, she and her family as well as her brother and his fiancée navigate this with kindness and grace. This comes off as a misunderstanding they can work through and continue living as a happy family.
A lot of redditors had many questions for the OP. She clarified the situation further in the comments
Jenny has been traumatized throughout her life. That's what foster care in the US means. She very likely has attachment disorder, which can cause a person to either never trust anyone, or like me, trust everyone until you finally learn. (I was not in foster care, but suffered abuse and neglect, with attachment disorder and ptsd.) The commenter above in the article who understands said it way better than I could. Jenny will learn, but is very sensitive and raw. She doesn't share herself because she's petrified you won't accept her because of it. Even as a past middle age adult, when people find out my abusive parents didn't want me, I get negative judgement more often than not. So many people just refuse to believe it's possible, especially around holidays, and accuse you of lies. As a person raw from rejection, it can make you run toward any bit of acceptance. Yes, it's sad, but it's at least genuine.
What a horrible bunch of people. I hope fiancé realizes that she may be awkward but marrying into a family means they become your family. Terrible people.
I agree, there is something very disingenuous about the way this post is written, a whole lot of justification about not accepting her as family for very lame and flacid reasons, feels like gaslighting. She isn't suddenly trying to be family, it has been 2 years, when is it deemed enough time to accept her, foibles, warts and all just like everyone has? The brother is planning an entire life with her, she can't be tip toeing around his families self agrandising rules about when is enough time for her to be accepted.
Load More Replies...I think Nico is to blame the most in this situation, he knew his family were finding Jenny a bit too full on and didn't do enough about it. Op's comment was pretty mean but by the sounds of it, resentment was building up and it only took one more push from Jenny for someone to snap back. The suggestion that OP takes Jenny out for a coffee and a gentle discussion on neutral ground is a good one. If Nico really wants his relationship with Jenny to work and to still be part of his family, then he should encourage the coffee date. An apology from OP is a good place to start things off as it shows her desire to still want them to be part of the family.
Yup. Jenny is crossing boundaries, the family is frustrated to hell and it all circles back to Nico not sitting her down and having a chat or allowing the family to sit her down to have a chat. Like Jennifer said above Jenny probably has some kind of attachment disorder, and that's not going to resolve itself instantly, but being frank with her might help make progress.
Load More Replies...OP wants to build a connection and complains that Jenny doesn't want a deeper connection. Yet, Jenny doing normal things like participating in conversations and asking OP to be her maid of honour is over stepping boundaries? Who really has issues here?
I don't think that that is what she's saying. What she's saying is she'd like to build a relationship but Jenny is just assuming they have a deep connection because she is marrying the brother. That's not how relationships and connections work with other people. It's not normal after meeting your SIL only twice to ask her to share her sex life because they're "sisters now." That is unhinged. I think everyone's getting it twisted because she was a foster child. You can feel for her past situation but that doesn't excuse every boundary and line she's crossed multiple times. Even when people ask her to stop.
Load More Replies...I love all the NTA people. OP is comparing her situation to Jenny's. Not the same people, not the same situation. Maybe it's just me, but I would accept the fact that Nico loves her and try to help her learn how to be in a family. She seems to be in a desperate rush for something she hasn't had... also, what with (step) sibling? My brothers and sister aren't (half) siblings, they are just plain old siblings...
Load More Replies...YTA. This woman grew up in the foster system. She has clearly had a very difficult childhood and clearly struggles with attachment disorder and boundaries - extremely common and unsurprising given her experiences. She clearly desperately wants to create that connection and it does not sound like she has been met with empathy and understanding - just judgement and criticism.
This woman's upbringing was traumatic, yes, but as an adult, it is our responsibility to address and work through issues that are affecting other people. I've had to do this myself. This family sounds like they have absolutely been accommodating and empathetic, but that only goes so far when someone keeps trying to push past your boundaries. OP stated that they absolutely DO want to have a relationship with this woman, but they want that to develop in a healthy pace, something this woman seems incapable of doing. People have to respect each other's boundaries in order to have healthy relationships.
Load More Replies...Gawd, you all make me sick. Can no one see how hard she’s trying, and the family isn’t embracing at all. Good effing grief.
jenny sounds a lot like me. im not a foster kid, but i grew up with a parent who didnt want me and abused me and neglected me. which led to me forming very unhealthy and often abusive relationships and attachments with others. it took decades to undo all that harm. im glad my own kids have a stable and loving home to call their own, but i admit i still find myself forming attachments too quick and have to remind myself that these things take time, if they even happen at all
Load More Replies...I don't think anyone here understands how foster families tend to work. When you get to a new house, that family basically tells you the other fosters are your "brothers and sisters now" and says things like "Go help your little sister". (Many places are also "group homes" not mom, dad, and some kids.) Jenny probably thinks that's how it's *supposed* to work when you end up in a new home. (And in foster care, often does, since the kids don't really have anyone but each other.) In foster care, there's also the pressure to get on good terms quick with everyone - because if you don't, things are going to be miserable. You have to curry favor and get other kids to like you real quick. And the "family" changes too often, too fast, to wait around letting things "happen naturally". Do that, and you'll have no support system at all, because by the time you "make friends naturally", that friend might be in another foster home. (Or you might.) CONT.
All that Jenny is doing here is typical foster raised behavior. "That's not normal..." She wasn't raised normally. She was raised in an environment where *everything* was uncertain and boundaries were a thing no one allowed you to have. No one asks foster kids what they want, what their limits are, etc. - you're *told* what's going to happen to you. You're not even allowed to have privacy most of the time, and are asked to share even the most personal things by social workers and foster parents alike. She doesn't understand boundaries or how families normally work? How *could* she? She's never seen it done.
Load More Replies...I hope poor Jenny could find a family that would actually love and accept her rather than build glass walls so she can see a family but not be a part of the family.
I would be so supportive of my brother's wife. Why? Because i love my brother and she doesn't sound like a bad person. Asks about sex life? "No thanks i don't want to hear about sex with my brother." Be blunt but not rude. Sounds like they just keep glaring at her and talking behind her back. Sounds like they just don't talk to her. Catty middle school behaviour
Load More Replies...Jenny has been traumatized throughout her life. That's what foster care in the US means. She very likely has attachment disorder, which can cause a person to either never trust anyone, or like me, trust everyone until you finally learn. (I was not in foster care, but suffered abuse and neglect, with attachment disorder and ptsd.) The commenter above in the article who understands said it way better than I could. Jenny will learn, but is very sensitive and raw. She doesn't share herself because she's petrified you won't accept her because of it. Even as a past middle age adult, when people find out my abusive parents didn't want me, I get negative judgement more often than not. So many people just refuse to believe it's possible, especially around holidays, and accuse you of lies. As a person raw from rejection, it can make you run toward any bit of acceptance. Yes, it's sad, but it's at least genuine.
What a horrible bunch of people. I hope fiancé realizes that she may be awkward but marrying into a family means they become your family. Terrible people.
I agree, there is something very disingenuous about the way this post is written, a whole lot of justification about not accepting her as family for very lame and flacid reasons, feels like gaslighting. She isn't suddenly trying to be family, it has been 2 years, when is it deemed enough time to accept her, foibles, warts and all just like everyone has? The brother is planning an entire life with her, she can't be tip toeing around his families self agrandising rules about when is enough time for her to be accepted.
Load More Replies...I think Nico is to blame the most in this situation, he knew his family were finding Jenny a bit too full on and didn't do enough about it. Op's comment was pretty mean but by the sounds of it, resentment was building up and it only took one more push from Jenny for someone to snap back. The suggestion that OP takes Jenny out for a coffee and a gentle discussion on neutral ground is a good one. If Nico really wants his relationship with Jenny to work and to still be part of his family, then he should encourage the coffee date. An apology from OP is a good place to start things off as it shows her desire to still want them to be part of the family.
Yup. Jenny is crossing boundaries, the family is frustrated to hell and it all circles back to Nico not sitting her down and having a chat or allowing the family to sit her down to have a chat. Like Jennifer said above Jenny probably has some kind of attachment disorder, and that's not going to resolve itself instantly, but being frank with her might help make progress.
Load More Replies...OP wants to build a connection and complains that Jenny doesn't want a deeper connection. Yet, Jenny doing normal things like participating in conversations and asking OP to be her maid of honour is over stepping boundaries? Who really has issues here?
I don't think that that is what she's saying. What she's saying is she'd like to build a relationship but Jenny is just assuming they have a deep connection because she is marrying the brother. That's not how relationships and connections work with other people. It's not normal after meeting your SIL only twice to ask her to share her sex life because they're "sisters now." That is unhinged. I think everyone's getting it twisted because she was a foster child. You can feel for her past situation but that doesn't excuse every boundary and line she's crossed multiple times. Even when people ask her to stop.
Load More Replies...I love all the NTA people. OP is comparing her situation to Jenny's. Not the same people, not the same situation. Maybe it's just me, but I would accept the fact that Nico loves her and try to help her learn how to be in a family. She seems to be in a desperate rush for something she hasn't had... also, what with (step) sibling? My brothers and sister aren't (half) siblings, they are just plain old siblings...
Load More Replies...YTA. This woman grew up in the foster system. She has clearly had a very difficult childhood and clearly struggles with attachment disorder and boundaries - extremely common and unsurprising given her experiences. She clearly desperately wants to create that connection and it does not sound like she has been met with empathy and understanding - just judgement and criticism.
This woman's upbringing was traumatic, yes, but as an adult, it is our responsibility to address and work through issues that are affecting other people. I've had to do this myself. This family sounds like they have absolutely been accommodating and empathetic, but that only goes so far when someone keeps trying to push past your boundaries. OP stated that they absolutely DO want to have a relationship with this woman, but they want that to develop in a healthy pace, something this woman seems incapable of doing. People have to respect each other's boundaries in order to have healthy relationships.
Load More Replies...Gawd, you all make me sick. Can no one see how hard she’s trying, and the family isn’t embracing at all. Good effing grief.
jenny sounds a lot like me. im not a foster kid, but i grew up with a parent who didnt want me and abused me and neglected me. which led to me forming very unhealthy and often abusive relationships and attachments with others. it took decades to undo all that harm. im glad my own kids have a stable and loving home to call their own, but i admit i still find myself forming attachments too quick and have to remind myself that these things take time, if they even happen at all
Load More Replies...I don't think anyone here understands how foster families tend to work. When you get to a new house, that family basically tells you the other fosters are your "brothers and sisters now" and says things like "Go help your little sister". (Many places are also "group homes" not mom, dad, and some kids.) Jenny probably thinks that's how it's *supposed* to work when you end up in a new home. (And in foster care, often does, since the kids don't really have anyone but each other.) In foster care, there's also the pressure to get on good terms quick with everyone - because if you don't, things are going to be miserable. You have to curry favor and get other kids to like you real quick. And the "family" changes too often, too fast, to wait around letting things "happen naturally". Do that, and you'll have no support system at all, because by the time you "make friends naturally", that friend might be in another foster home. (Or you might.) CONT.
All that Jenny is doing here is typical foster raised behavior. "That's not normal..." She wasn't raised normally. She was raised in an environment where *everything* was uncertain and boundaries were a thing no one allowed you to have. No one asks foster kids what they want, what their limits are, etc. - you're *told* what's going to happen to you. You're not even allowed to have privacy most of the time, and are asked to share even the most personal things by social workers and foster parents alike. She doesn't understand boundaries or how families normally work? How *could* she? She's never seen it done.
Load More Replies...I hope poor Jenny could find a family that would actually love and accept her rather than build glass walls so she can see a family but not be a part of the family.
I would be so supportive of my brother's wife. Why? Because i love my brother and she doesn't sound like a bad person. Asks about sex life? "No thanks i don't want to hear about sex with my brother." Be blunt but not rude. Sounds like they just keep glaring at her and talking behind her back. Sounds like they just don't talk to her. Catty middle school behaviour
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