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To Protect Rhinos, This National Park Just Shoots People (50 Poachers Killed So Far)
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To Protect Rhinos, This National Park Just Shoots People (50 Poachers Killed So Far)

Kaziranga National Park is a story of success when it comes to conservation of rhinos – but what they’ve done to achieve it is allowing its workers to shoot and even kill potential poachers. So far, the park has killed 50 people.

Rhinos are safe there – a century ago, there was only a handful of Indian one-horned rhinoceros. Now, the park hosts more than 2,400, which is two-thirds of the world’s population. However, little is talked about the fact that in 2015, more people were shot dead by park guards then the number of rhinos killed by poachers.

These people all went after rhino horn, as they could be sold for as much as $6,000 for 100g and are considerably more expensive than gold. They are mostly marketed as a miracle cure for everything from cancer to erectile dysfunction.

So yes, rhinos do need protection, but this has gone too far. National park’s workers can kill a person and get away with impunity. The question is, could this kind of punishment ever be justified? And how many innocent people were killed?

More info: Kaziranga National Park (h/t: bbc)

Kaziranga National Park is a story of success when it comes to conservation of rhinos – but they kill poachers

Image credits: PA

So far, the park has killed 50 people

Image credits: EPA

Rhinos are safe there – a century ago, there was only a handful of Indian one-horned rhinoceros

Image credits: Anupam Nath

Now, the park hosts more than 2,400, which is two-thirds of the world’s population

Image credits: Jonas Stenqvist

However, more people were shot dead by park guards then the number of rhinos killed by poachers

Image credits: PA

These people all went after rhino horn, as they could be sold for as much as $6,000 for 100g

Image credits: Emma Gatland

They are mostly marketed as a miracle cure for everything from cancer to erectile dysfunction

Image credits: Rudi Hulshof

So yes, rhinos do need protection, but this has gone too far

Image credits: Martin Harvey

National park’s workers can kill a person and get away with impunity

Image credits: Sebastien Degardin

The question is, could this kind of punishment ever be justified?And how many innocent people were killed?

Image credits: Michael Spain

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Tiffany Kraha
Community Member
5 years ago

Poachers know the risks when they try to kill endangered species. Something has got to be done. This isn't too far.

Brian Kemboi
Community Member
5 years ago

Juan, I live in Kenya, Africa. People do not poach these animals for meat. No one does it not for close to 30 years now. The motivation is always the horns. Elephants are killed, de-horned and the carcass decompose. No one takes the meat. Currently, Kenya has the last three northern white rhinoes and they are past the point of reproduction. If such measures were taken, maybe these rhinoes would not be in this situation.

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Prashant Karnath
Community Member
5 years ago

I am human... and I approve this approach.

Don Zirbel
Community Member
5 years ago

YES I want them to be killed...they respect nothing but personal profit and care nothing about the rest of life that shares this planet. They themselves have proven there is no other way to stop them, so they can rot on the ground for all I care.

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Delta Force
Community Member
5 years ago

.The question is how many innocent Rhinos and other species may have been killed? Ask that too.....

Adriana Bosman
Community Member
5 years ago

1,175 rhinos poached and killed in 2015 alone. So extremely sad

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Darth Vader
Community Member
5 years ago

My opinion, not enough poachers are being killed. You will know before you enter the area that if you trespass you will be shot, and if you still enter knowingly and you are not a poacher, then sorry, you are dumb. Rhino's are being killed at an alarming rate every single day. Soon there will be no more of them, but guess what there will still be moronic humans everywhere. When the rhino are gone, they will look at another animal as a target and they will be gone too if drastic measures like this are not put in place. Down vote this comment all you want, but that's the sad truth. I have no remorse for poachers who get shot regardless of their circumstances.

kytetiger
Community Member
5 years ago

Poachers still got enough incentive to kill endangered species. As long as there is demands people will hunt these beautiful creature (and essential for the balance of our ecosystem). What if these people have a good enough job to provide for their families, and got the education to build a durable system? What if the people who usually buy these horns got an education and no longer believe in fairytales about the "vertue" of keratine?

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Márk Beregszászi
Community Member
5 years ago

"However, little is talked about the fact that in 2015, more people were shot dead by park guards then the number of rhinos killed by poachers." Is that supposed to be gruesome? There are 8 billion people on this planet and 3,600 of those rhinos. Guess I will not shed tears for the poacher scum. At least one park knows what to do to protect these endangered animals.

Jamesy B
Community Member
5 years ago

The poachers are aware that they may be killed for the terrible things they are doing - their choice. I do not believe the penalty is too strict. The people buying these products need strict penalties as well.

PJ
Community Member
5 years ago

It's actually quite simple. If you don't want to get killed, don't go into an area where you can be mistaken as a poacher. If you think the penalty is too far, then go arrest those at the root of the problem. Chances are you can't, and won't. China has already announced new measures against importing ivory and other keratin animal products. We're getting there, slowly.

Benson Wainaina
Community Member
5 years ago

@Michelle every national park that has big game has an electric fence around it. It's actually illegal to sneak in there. No one wanders in there, there's parks where the Maasai live and even those have a fence outside. Also the park rangers are always locals...they aren't a foreign force brought from far away, they know anyone who might be there on legitimate business, those people also don't carry weapons or hide in the bush or try run when they see rangers...which am assuming makes it easy to know someone who's upto no good

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Aunt Messy
Community Member
5 years ago

How many poachers have shot and killed witnesses (including park employees) to their crimes? Did anyone bother to look that up? I don't condone randomly killing people, but poachers are not sweet innocents. When this much money is at stake, things get violent.

Aunt Messy
Community Member
5 years ago

It's a simple question, Arty. How many poachers have shot witnesses to their crimes? Google is your friend. Why are you so frightened to look it up? You keep spewing your nonsense, but you can't answer one simple question? *dismissed*

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Dorota
Community Member
5 years ago

Innocent people? There is nothing innocent about them. Kill them, kill those bastards.

Crow King
Community Member
5 years ago

Michelle are you fucking kidding me? Are you actually sympathetic towards poachers? Why do I feel like you got some ivory in your house?

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Tim Hussey
Community Member
5 years ago

No it has not gone too far. It has 100% worked. Nobody is forcing them to poach - the consequences are harsh but necessary. Stay out and live. Murder and steal and you get reap what you sew. 'Let Live and Live' in an amendment of the well known phrase.

Varun Chauhan
Community Member
5 years ago

Well there is one more side of the story.These poachers are not some guys with guns killing Rhinos.They are part a of a bigger mafia and they are equipped with assault rifles like AK-47 and M-16. Rangers are often get shot or attacked as well & they in turn are equipped with simple rifle. http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/poachers-armed-with-ak-47-kill-another-rhino-in-kaziranga-toll-rises-to-17-this-year/story-7Ty8kBQRSGHTN6yiaiyOPL.html Recently there was even a documentary about this on Nat Geo(not very sure about the channel though). Some of these poachers are also part of bigger nexus who lend money to the locals and when they are unable to pay it back then mafia threaten the locals for their life in exchange of the information about the places where Rhinos can be found. So projecting it the way that rangers can kill anyone and can get away with that is not a fair assumption. And even after all this there are 2-3 failed and 1 successful attempt of poaching every month.

Casandra Nițescu
Community Member
5 years ago

If this is the only way to stop morons from exterminating an entire species because of greed then I say do it. Those poachers deserved it.

भार्गव दत्ता
Community Member
5 years ago

First of All please come to Assam once and check data's how many Rhinos killed every year in Assam. How many Forest Guards and Rangers are attacked by These poachers. As A son of Forest officer I have seen what situations my father and his colleague went through because of these poachers. So to save Rhino and their own life they shot down poachers isn't it fair enough ?

Arnab Goswami
Community Member
5 years ago

Thike diso!

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Brian Kemboi
Community Member
5 years ago

I approve this measure. 1,300 rhinos were killed illegally in Africa last year alone. This killings is mainly to feed the appetite of Asian markets. Furthermore, 20,000 to 25,000 elephants are killed in Africa every year.

Einar Einarsson
Community Member
5 years ago

China has banned import if ivory. Tiggs Benoit: hated really? Animal rights and protection in many countries are really bad..but to say asians are hated us not right.

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Reva Madhava
Community Member
5 years ago

There are far too many humans on this planet. Shooting a few to save a species that is endangered because of human activity is necessary and good.

Michelle
Community Member
5 years ago

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rabbitsrabbit curbing the effects of global warming, reducing habitat loss and observing animal/plant behavior and recreating those habitats that fit their needs elsewhere, those are all methods PEOPLE are using to conserve endangered species, but instead you all seem pretty damn content with murdering already when I'm pretty sure most of the people in this comment section hasn't even put a gun to someone else's head before.

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Mirriam Banda
Community Member
5 years ago

How is a person that murders innocent species just for a pile of dead tress ever called Innocent? I am on the rangers' side because murderers like these have been warned multiple times but they do not seem to want to co-operate, and they continue to harm and destroy nature. This has not gone far because if the only way they will be able to protect the rhinos is by killing those murderers, then they might as well do it because they were warned.

Ken Flagor
Community Member
4 years ago

Michelle- They are completely justified! And I have put a gun to someone's head for protection.

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CaptDJ
Community Member
5 years ago

Ask me again when poachers are an endangered species

Melina K
Community Member
5 years ago

Good the poachers should be shot. They are killing defenseless animals and they know the risks so why not do to them what they have been dong to the animals. I say shoot them all

Liliana Foltean
Community Member
5 years ago

Wait, what?!??? You seriously asking how many people must die?????? Well, I hope all the people that hunt and kill animals! That' s what they deserve: a life for a life! We are too many of as on this planet already, and those guards are actually doing us a favor!

Atli Ingolfsson
Community Member
5 years ago

Well in thoes situation yes. I can't say farmers or butchers sould be killed or the people that work or sell meat or people that buy meat for that matter..

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Jorge Martinez
Community Member
5 years ago

50 people? This is a low number. Where can I sign? I want to contribute.

Archibald Nutsack
Community Member
5 years ago

I agree with shooting the poachers - 100%. No excuses.

Lexi
Community Member
5 years ago

I hate how this article is up in arms over poachers dying, what about the fact that poachers could wipe out the majority of an entire species within months if allowed free reign. The punishment fits the crime. I'm sorry but IMO poachers should all drop dead in a ditch, I'm not an advocate for violence, but even I would never hesitate to kill someone taking aim at an endangered species.

Neil Joseph
Community Member
5 years ago

Driving a species to extinction causes irreparable harm to the ecosystem, and thus all life. We have the death sentence for murder. Driving species after species to extinction is equivalent to mass murder on a larger timeline. If no other punishment has dissuaded poachers, this might. The diversity of life on earth, of the food chain, is necessary for the sustainability of life. At some point, we need to start protecting animals from extinction.

Rafaela Freitas
Community Member
5 years ago

Going too far? I'm sorry There are about 3,600 Rhinos and 7.5 BILLION humans. How is killing poachers of endangered species going too far? I don't think park guards even have a choice anymore. Poachers are scum and will not be missed in humanity's gene pool.

Tiggs Benoit
Community Member
5 years ago

OMG justice, finally....thank you thank you thank you you made my year

Paul Byrne
Community Member
5 years ago

That is a brilliant approach, there are currently 8 billion people on this planet, it is project that in 40 years the population will be 32 billion, with the amount of rhinos left on this planet I think a few dead poachers is a fair trade for the survival of a species.

Svilen Dinev
Community Member
5 years ago

"How many innocent people were killed?" They would not be there and shot if they were innocent.. Don't kill and you won't be killed, it's not hard to comprehend

Cat Meow
Community Member
5 years ago

Tbh, this is something I approve. Stop killing animals. Period.

Crow King
Community Member
5 years ago

Michelle holy shit are you for real? Do you really believe that it's alright to kill to extinction because there's money in it? There's no way you're a real person, you have to be troll

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Kimberly Puchniarz
Community Member
5 years ago

Of course the killing of poachers can be justified!! Maybe, just maybe other poachers will get the damn message of what will happen to them!

Beverly Hoffman
Community Member
5 years ago

YES it IS Justified!! Rhinos are totally helpless & can Not defend themselves!! As for your stupid comparison of numbers of each? They are gangs Of 5 to a dozen WITH machetes, knives slashing the horns off these helpless animals & leaving them defenseless!! There Should be a Bounty on the poachers!!

jbingham
Community Member
5 years ago

The real winner here: The flies. They get to feast no matter which side wins.

John Johannesen
Community Member
5 years ago

The only thing that's gone too far is poaching. This is absolutely justified. Poachers are not innocent people, so no innocent people were killed.

Kristine Zuberga
Community Member
5 years ago

Innocent people?!? Are u fucking kidding me? They're not innocent, let those fuckers be shot and gelded! Fucking poachers they deserve it!

Zori the degu
Community Member
5 years ago

Oh and I forgot...For people who disagree with me, if you can afford an expensive gun, then what`s the problem taking care for your family? I know some people are forced to kill animals to live, but they usually don`t own such weapons and they kill really small number. We are omnivores, it`s normal. But killing animals to become rich... It`s astonishing such heartless people still exist.

Simanta Das
Community Member
5 years ago

Hi! Namaskar. This national Park is in my place. Rhinos are our pride. we will protect them at ant cost. yes we are killing Poachers...not the innocent one....killing of Poachers going on and we will continue it. My government is doing the right thing and we are with the government...one more thing where was the western media when Rhinos were killed by poachers...Why suddenly BBC has so much interest in our matter... These are our animals, These Jungles are our and law is our...By the way i am uploading only one pic and that will tell you what poachers do with these Rhinos..We will give punishment to the Poachers.... 29-06-15-K...937a64.jpg 29-06-15-Kaziranga-Rhino-killed-1-58c829c937a64.jpg

Denine Mishoe
Community Member
4 years ago

I support what you're doing 110%!! I've been begging for ALL PARKS on the African Continent to take these same measures! GOD BLESS ALL RANGERS!! Their bravery against these scum, fighting with primitive weapons, while those lowlife shits murder them and the wildlife with the best of machinery, should be met with the exact same punishment - it fits the crime!!! The mamby-pamby passive ways have not done a single thing to stop these poacher scum! They probably laugh at any attempts to educate, train, etc that the passives would continue to do... meanwhile Rangers and Wildlife continue to be murdered! And the local judges clearly do nothing and basically just set these monsters free with minimal fines/fees so they can do it all again - so now the brave and fearless Rangers are our only hope to save all of humanity's wildlife - as all humans can trace their roots to Africa! HANG ALL POACHERS ON THE HIGHEST TREES TO ROT!

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Dan Hoover
Community Member
5 years ago

Humans will never be happy until everything, other than themselves, are dead. All because horny males in already overpopulated countries have this idea that success is only measured by reproduction. If you can't get it up, dude, spare the elephants and rhinos and buy yourself some viagra. If not, take Scrooge's advice: "die and decrease the surplus poulation".

rakuninaru
Community Member
5 years ago

"They are mostly marketed as a miracle cure for everything from cancer to erectile dysfunction" such level of ignorance up to our days...

Karyne Serret
Community Member
5 years ago

How about just don't be a poacher/ idiot...?! Simple math really.

Geri Haruno
Community Member
5 years ago

Not too much. This is perfectly fine. Go on.

A Mueller
Community Member
5 years ago

How many humans are on the planet - and how many rhinos? (Or elephants, tigers, sharks,……… )Every country should handle it like that. Yes, some little percentage of humans will be killed innocently. But always remember, its 100% of innocent animals who where killed by the poachers. GO ON -KILL POACHERS! In fact they asked for it

Mohammed Akram Ali Mehkri
Community Member
5 years ago

Yes, its the need of the hour. Poachers are basically trespassing on protected land, killing defenseless animals for personal gains. They are well aware of the risks involved. Would we even question this if a murderer was roaming amidst our societies and if police shot him/her down. Park Rangers are basically police in the wild and build a relationship with the environment over a periods of time and also gain some level of acceptance by the animals in the wild. They risk a lot to ensure the animals - endangered or not - are protected. And more importantly they have been empowered by the laws - local and international (where applicable) to do the needful.

Emre
Community Member
5 years ago

I can't see any problems here. If you wanna live let them live too...

Barbara Caccavale Fixsen
Community Member
5 years ago

The numbers are proof.... this works...... I do not think they have gone too far.... keep up the good work!!!

Ajish Doley
Community Member
5 years ago

I am a local here and the figure is wrong at your end coz every year number of rhino's killed is more than 7-10 in average..Sometime even the procher's tranquilize and cut off the horn alive and it is really inhuman..

Markandey Pathak
Community Member
5 years ago

These poachers derserve this punishment. Hats off to park guards. Keep punishing those inhuman idiots.

Norman van Druten
Community Member
5 years ago

YAY!!! Applause to that! "Save the Rhino's - hunt a poacher". As all these people below have commented, poachers have no regard for lives of these and many other animals, only for personal monetary gain. How many Rhino's and other species have to be killed before we take a hard line approach to poaching? I absolutely give these rangers a double thumbs up. Keep up the good work!!

Missy Griggs
Community Member
5 years ago

I think this oak is a trend setter. I've got no sympathy for an asshole who would kill an endangered animal for one tiny part if it's body. Keep.shooting poachers!! They're a species that SHOULD be hunted to extinction. Kudos to the park!! Can I donate ammo?

Denine Mishoe
Community Member
4 years ago

Love It! I think someone should start a fund to provide these brave Rangers with guns of the newest, best quality and the ammo that goes with it!! HERE, HERE!!

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Christopher Hamilton
Community Member
5 years ago

Watch the documentary Virunga sometime. Poachers murder park rangers all the time. They are disgusting people all around and killing them isn't "going too far."

Lewisa Figurative Sculpture
Community Member
5 years ago

I am tired of human lives being put ahead of animal lives. What makes us so special? ALL life should be honored and protected. At nearly 7.5 billion people on the planet we outnumber nearly every other species on the planet!

Mehmet Gurbuz
Community Member
5 years ago

And how many innocent people were killed? Euhh come again ? Innocent? Lol just add more bullets to their head.

Milo Carvajal
Community Member
5 years ago

Innocent people? Really...?

Atli Ingolfsson
Community Member
5 years ago

Exactly!

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Jade
Community Member
5 years ago

I approve. If you are trying to kill another soul with the intention of making money through suffering, why should you not get killed? Farmers shoot dogs that try to kill their sheep. Why can't rangers shoot people trying to kill their park's rhinos?

Meeow
Community Member
5 years ago

You gotta do what you gotta do, try to come to my land I'll shoot you too

Ralph Miller
Community Member
5 years ago

Don't poach, keep breathing. Seems fair to me.

Vikrant Singh
Community Member
5 years ago

Absolutely justified, nothing's gone too far, I hope this is just the beginning. We humans deserve it. The worst of all species.

Nyssa Malouf
Community Member
5 years ago

The Rhinos and many other endangered animals need to be protected. The poachers know they are doing the wrong thing. I don't feel that this approach is taking it too far. Its just giving back what the poachers are instigating. I do not thing that a life of an animal is any less important then a human life.

Abhimanyu Halder
Community Member
5 years ago

very much justified... if human can take lives of the animal then there should be very strict law like this to help them survive.

Marcus Eden-Ellis
Community Member
5 years ago

This has not gone far enough. More poachers need to be killed.

Leke Sokoli
Community Member
5 years ago

Innocent people killed? Is america really this fucking stupid? A reporter sees progress to save an entire race of rhino and still brings it back to humans dying and how it's not right. Fuck whoever made this article. Seriously. It is 100% against the law to hunt rhinos, just as it is 100% against the law to kill humans. If a human risks or attempts to kill another human, a 3rd party human can come in and save their life and it is 100% justifiable. Same goes for rhinos and any other form of life protected by law, if you see someone trying to take a lawfully protected life. Feel free to blow their brains out.

Denine Mishoe
Community Member
4 years ago

Just because this reporter that wrote this asinine article may or may not be an American... believe me when I say, the majority of us American's do NOT feel the same way. There will always be passive idiots (of every country) that think they can fight violence with non-violent ways, but this has gone on LONG ENOUGH and it should be clear to even the passives that their shit isn't working... meanwhile the murdering of wildlife continue to rise and they get fewer and fewer. Clearly, they respect nothing but the bullet. A bullet is more than they deserve and is too good for them... I sincerely wish these scumbag poachers die horrible, painful deaths!! KILL ALL WILDLIFE MURDERERS IN THE MOST HEINOUS WAY POSSIBLE IS MY MOTTO!

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Manish Mehta
Community Member
5 years ago

If you have a problem about poachers being shot,give a workable alternative. Otherwise-- Stop being judgemental! In India , prosecuting poachers is next to impossible. And they never stop. So! Appreciate the results ,not the methods

Ryan Falcone
Community Member
5 years ago

I am totally okay with this. 50 people? Pppfhhhtt, who cares? That's nothing to the amount of people on Earth and the amount of animals that have been poached. I hope they shoot more people. Stay the hell away from the rhino's or get shot. It's that simple.

Martin Holáň
Community Member
5 years ago

Article asks: how many innocent people were killed? Well. They were NOT innocent.

Gayle Harden
Community Member
4 years ago

Fine by me if they kill poachers.

David Kurth
Community Member
5 years ago

This is truly a case where the end justifies the means! When the poachers thought they could kill rhinos with impunity, rhinos died. Now the poachers will try to find other easy money! Good solution!

Kalyan Mohan
Community Member
5 years ago

i belong to the same state and same district, from what source you have collected this information, there are more informations of rhinos being killed and poachers ran free after that, please stop misguiding people with misinformations, also all the snaps that are posted here are of two horned rhinos, in Kaziranga there are one horned rhinos, not two horned, please atleast post the snaps correctly.

Adriana Bosman
Community Member
5 years ago

"However, little is talked about the fact that in 2015, more people were shot dead by park guards then the number of rhinos killed by poachers." Seriously? 1,175 rhinos were poached in 2015, and a lot more talking needs to happen around this... 1,175 killed rhinos!!

David Stalder
Community Member
4 years ago

When I toured Kaziranga 20 years ago, the guards were heavily armed & very vigilant. And I was glad for that! Visits to Kaziranga are allowed only with guided tours, so anyone sneaking through the reserve is already knowingly breaking the law & probably up to no good. I wouldn't worry about the guards shooting large numbers of innocent civilians because innocent civilians prob. know not to wander around the park on their own. This article's biased against endangered species protection. It's written as though there were an equivalence between the lives of rhinos & of poachers, like it'd be 'fair' if more rhinos were killed than poachers. It's also written like the guards who shoot armed, dangerous criminals are themselves murderers who can "get away with impunity" [sic], when in fact they're doing their jobs & it's crucial that they do so. The Kaziranga guards deserve commendation, not condemnation.

Denine Mishoe
Community Member
4 years ago

My exact feelings about this article! Reporters are to report the news, all the news (not just their preference) and their personal feelings should NOT be involved, except perhaps in their byline or side comment. FACTS PLEASE, JUST THE FACTS!

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Craig Lewis
Community Member
4 years ago

This is not too far, good on them for protecting the rhino's against human greed and stupidity. This should be standard practice in my opinion for endangered species

Larry Mosca
Community Member
4 years ago

Great. Kill them all! And kudos to those who are protecting those beautiful marvelous incredible animals! Thank you. Keep up the great work.

Bobby Dvoid
Community Member
4 years ago

Keep up the great work guys. May your aim be straight

Denine Mishoe
Community Member
4 years ago

Amen!

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Paul Firmin
Community Member
4 years ago

Go after the middle men as well; the ones who sell it on to the Far Eastern buyers.

Denine Mishoe
Community Member
4 years ago

AGREED!

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Jandre Kroeze
Community Member
4 years ago

I wish they couldkill the Chinese agents who facilitate and/or send out these poachers. They dont care about dead poachers as they keep finding new ones. Killthe snake by the head, not the tail.

Denine Mishoe
Community Member
4 years ago

YOU have the right way of thinking!!

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Partha Bora
Community Member
5 years ago

I am from this place jst 40km away from kaziranga national park. In the year 2014 almost 3 rhinos were hunted every month by poachers. These poachers not only killed animals they have killed forest guards too. And shockingly these poachers hv alleged link with terrorists from myanmar.. No international media were running d news at dat time when so many rhinos were killed.. but with d change of d govt in assam many poachers hd been apprehended and many were killed in encounters. Rhino poaching last year hv decreased alot. Isn't this a commendable improvemnt or shld we hv to wait for evry rhinos to b killed by poachers n terrorists??.. why do u show only one side of d story??

Denine Mishoe
Community Member
4 years ago

EXCELLENT POINT! Reporters are supposed to report all news, not just what they want or approve of. Respond directly to this newspaper and ask your question - would be interesting to see their answer(s). Millions of people are of like mind as you!! Kaziranga Park is a shining example that all parks on the African Continent should follow!!

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Henry Jardim
Community Member
5 years ago

Yes yes yes can I come work for you

Uğur Arıcı
Community Member
5 years ago

That is a perfect solition, congrulations to park workers

Denine Mishoe
Community Member
4 years ago

I was so damn happy when I read the headline of this article!! I yelled out, "WooHoo!" It's like my wildest dreams have come true!! Now, all the other parks need to get onboard by example! KUDOS TO Kaziranga National Park & their Courageous Rangers!!! Keep up the great work! On another note, this reporter should be truly ashamed of herself for writing such a biased article with clear pro-poacher sympathies. Not only is it wrong, but a REAL reporter is supposed to be neutral and report the news, all the news, with stats to back up their writing, not interject their obviously personal feelings throughout. Those should be contained to their byline or side comment... not shape the whole article! This is what's wrong with so many reporters today, they keep interjecting their personal beliefs in their writings. People don't care what you think personally... we strictly want the facts, ALL OF THE FACTS and with proof, so that we can make up our own minds one way or the other!

Chris Freestone
Community Member
4 years ago

The answers to your questions are "yes" and "none" respectively.

Bradley Fried
Community Member
4 years ago

Gone too far? I think mass extinction, habitat destruction, and climate change caused by human overpopulation and greed has gone too far. If this is getting results, post signage and make sure the warnings are clear, but keep doing it.

Mahatma Caine Jeeves
Community Member
4 years ago

Liz, please spare us the "innocent people" crap. The park rangers engage when someone is carrying a Kalashnikov. Carry a weapon in a highly-poached area, get shot. End of story.

John Finlayson
Community Member
4 years ago

If that will help save the Rhinos then I have no problem with it. They feel nothing hen they kill a Rhino why should we feel anything when they get killed.

Deb Schewe
Community Member
4 years ago

I think it's awesome! I wish we could kill animal abusers!!!

Mike Dougherty
Community Member
4 years ago

You don't think these poachers would kill a park ranger to get away??

Claudia Espindola
Community Member
4 years ago

What are you supposed to do? Go and ask them nicely?, hell no! I rather have one less poucher than a guard or a rhino taken.

Bob Thorton
Community Member
4 years ago

THESE MAGNIFICENT CREATIONS OF GOD KNOWN AS THE RHINOCEROS FACE EXTINCTION BECAUSE OF HUMAN CRIMINALS KNOWN AS POACHERS. SHOOT TO KILL ANYONE WHO IS POACHING THESE INCREDIBLE BEINGS WHO HAVE EXISTED ON THIS PLANET FOR 50,000,000 YEARS AND HAVE NO NATURAL PREDATORS, EXCEPT ONE, HUMANS WHO SLAUGHTER THEM FOR ILLEGAL PROFIT...THERE SHOULD BE NO DEBATE...IF YOU ATTEMPT TO POACH A RHINOCEROS, PREPARE TO DIE, PERIOD. MAY GOD BLESS THE BRAVE MEN AND WOMEN WHO SERVE AS PARK GUARDS AND PROTECT THESE ICONIC AND INCREDIBLE ANIMALS!!!

Frank Höppener
Community Member
4 years ago

Yes, this is justified. Nothing else helps. Surely policy papers and politicians don't.

Iwan Setiawan
Community Member
4 years ago

They do the right punishment, others country can't stop the tiger killer for the skin, elephant for the ivory, many peoplr so greedy for money

Joshua Dunshea
Community Member
4 years ago

Yeah more people are shot dead because there are more of them and barely any rhinos. The poaches know what they are getting into so if they get shot dead then good riddance! Innocent people!?? Wow are you Pro-Poaching because from the looks of the article you are all about protecting poaches... ha! what a joke. Poachers are human scum that put money above creatures of the earth.

Leslie Delli-Venneri
Community Member
4 years ago

No sympathy here. If more places adopted this policy the killing of big animals for greed would slow way down. If you can't stand the heat get outta the kitchen.

Carolyn Johnson
Community Member
4 years ago

Maybe we can get Trump's sons to go hunting there

Denine Mishoe
Community Member
4 years ago

LOL! The 'Dump the Chump/Trump' family are ALL TOO STUPID to know the difference between wildlife and poacher! We'd have to paint a target or animal's face on the back of poachers before they'd know what to shoot!

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Ethan Walker
Community Member
4 years ago

What the fuck are you talking about innocent people, as your own article claims the people killed are poachers hunting endangered animals because a large chunk of really stupid people are willing to pay a lot of money for something useless. I say all the power to them if this is what it takes for people to stop killing endangered animals, it's not like there is a shortage of humans anyways.

Tim Parker
Community Member
4 years ago

We need to do this in Texas to human and drug smugglers.

Denine Mishoe
Community Member
4 years ago

AGREED! It should be the FIRST policy implemented in any such cases around the world. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH OF ALL OF IT!!! It's not like humans are on the brink of extinction. This planet could stand to lose a few million evil scum. I, for one, wouldn't shed a tear.

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Kirsty Garbe
Community Member
4 years ago

I Approve

Kain Baker
Community Member
4 years ago

Umm good!!! Why should they be aloud to kill an animal and not expect the same thing happen to them?! There's like 7 billion of us and 2400 of them! Hardly a concern

Dan Gilliver
Community Member
4 years ago

Live by the sword, die by the sword.

Tara Mitrovka
Community Member
4 years ago

Drastic? Not at all. Poachers are criminal trespassers hell bent on annihilating species and destroying the planet. They murder anyone and anything standing between them and their target. They know full well the consequences are that they will be shot on sight. Their greed is greater than fear of death.

Emmanuel Dowell
Community Member
4 years ago

I'm fine with workers killing poachers... I wish more parks would do this to protect animals. I hate most of human society... we are careless, distructive, immature,and cruel. I would hug each one of these workers for killing a poacher... it's not right what these types of humans do, just kill for the fun of it being exotic or for horns and tusks... it's horrible... and I don't believe this is "too far" to me this is birthing more than karma. And I'm glad it's there. Also happy to see this breed of rhinos 🦏 coming back. :3

David Newton
Community Member
4 years ago

Let them do it.....there probably isn't that many mistakes....

Vicki Crutchfield
Community Member
4 years ago

What this article does not tell is how many rangers were killed by armed poachers, before they were trained to shoot back. This is a dangerous job. I am glad to hear they have found people willing to risk their lives to keep endangered species safe.

Vicki Crutchfield
Community Member
4 years ago

Kill the poachers works for me.

Meghan Tracy
Community Member
4 years ago

I don't have a problem with this at all.

AD Draco
Community Member
4 years ago

I have no sympathy for the poachers.

Trigger Clapham
Community Member
4 years ago

Apparently none. The leader says "These people all went after rhino horn, as they could be sold for as much as $6,000 for 100g" So they must all have been guilty. If an innocent had wandered into an area where people are assumed to be poachers then either pushed their luck or paid the price for being stupid.

Denine Mishoe
Community Member
4 years ago

Yeah, it's clear this reporter is clearly trying to sway people.... I think she's pro-poacher. Reporters are supposed to be neutral and report all news and if they harbor any feelings one way or the other, it should be contained to just their byline or a side note.

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karhu GG
Community Member
4 years ago

Its only right that they kill all the illegal hunters. there is too much humans in this planet anyway.

Denine Mishoe
Community Member
4 years ago

My thoughts exactly! I can't think of a better way to "thin the human herds" and do away with evil at the same time! KUDOS to this park and may all the rest follow by example!

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Ned Collie
Community Member
4 years ago

If they are pointing a gun at these wonderful animals, then kill them!!! they know what they are doing is wrong and risky ....... It doesn't matter how they think they can justify it ..... treat them like the prey they hunt!

Deborah Cole
Community Member
4 years ago

What were they doing there? They are not innocent they are there for one reason & one reason only to poach, so if they are killed that's on them!!! I have ABSOLUTELY NO SYMPATHY for The POS!!!

Paresh Jai
Community Member
4 years ago

A life is a life....whether Rhino or Human. If this is what it is going to take to save our wildlife then let it happen. The majority of human beings have very little respect for wildlife am glad to see other human beings standing up for our wildlife. I support this approach and am happy to hear it is working.

Little Nikki
Community Member
4 years ago

I fail to see the problem, poachers aren't human.

John Horne
Community Member
4 years ago

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Clair Hart
Community Member
4 years ago

They should've been doing this for years... poaching is abhorrent, is leaving beautiful animals to die in agony and funds terrorism as well ... shoot them all. Bastards.

Ritwick Chakraborty
Community Member
4 years ago

Dear Elizabeth, get out of that fancy cubicle of yours and visit the jungle once. You know why Kaziranga is a success? Because the people there love the rhinos as family. And it is justified to protect your family. Humanitarian considerations are for humans. Not poachers.

Denine Mishoe
Community Member
4 years ago

I think she needs a new profession... perhaps as a "potential" poacher. LOL

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Mehtab Ahmed
Community Member
4 years ago

Most of the images of Rihno used here are from Africa not from Kaziranga.

Denine Mishoe
Community Member
4 years ago

Glad some have realized this reporter has NOT done her homework and lives in a glass house, obviously.

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Dani Stoian
Community Member
4 years ago

The poachers deserve to be killed straight away and their bodies left as food for the eagles.

Denine Mishoe
Community Member
4 years ago

I'd prefer Buzzards.

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Denine Mishoe
Community Member
4 years ago

Now, the other National Parks need to grow some real balls and follow by example of KAZIRANGA NATIONAL PARK! WE LOVE YOU!

Ivan Mostert
Community Member
4 years ago

I think what the park is doing is 100% accurate poachers doesnt think twice before killing a innocent rhino why should rangers think twice about killing poacher what goes around comes around... well done to Kaziranga national park job well done keep it up

Rafael Giovannetti
Community Member
4 years ago

Seems to be working.

Denine Mishoe
Community Member
4 years ago

FINALLY!!! YES!! YES!!! YES!!! It's about time!!!! These scumbag mother fucking poachers have it coming!! It's all the will understand or respect - an eye for an eye! For years and years, all the weeny-wishy-washy methods have been tried with ZERO success! As a matter of fact, it's never been worse than it is now! Besides, with the widespread government and political corruption... forget any legal retribution or proper jail time and fines! KUDOS TO KAZIRANGA NATIONAL PARK!!!

Sean West
Community Member
4 years ago

great approach should be applied liberally worldwide

Jason Wood
Community Member
4 years ago

It is not too far. Poachers know what they're doing and their greed will either cost the world another rink species or it will cost their lives. It's a choice the guards shouldn't have to make but I'm so grateful they're making the right call and protecting this beautiful and unique creatures.

Jayne Doh
Community Member
4 years ago

It's legal to kill trespassers in some parts of the US still so how can killing poachers be wrong? Less people more animals, it's win win.

Beth Walbridge
Community Member
4 years ago

Sounds good to me !

Joye Roberts
Community Member
4 years ago

good for them, poachers know and will do anything to kill the animals they want to exploit , about time the poachers know what it feels like. KARMA sure can be a bitch

Jamalia Roblon
Community Member
4 years ago

if this is the best way to protect them from greedy humans ... so be it

Ray Card
Community Member
4 years ago

Kill all of the poachers. No sympathy here. Mount their heads, as a warning to others

Kathy Cook
Community Member
4 years ago

I'm totally for it....I thought they were dehorning the rhinos, so there was nothing for poachers to go after...or painting them so they were useless to poachers.. but it they get caught poaching,,, they know its against their laws...so, they know the punishment..

Kelleen Louchart
Community Member
4 years ago

I'm thinking if you are walking around on a rhino reserve with a gun (and are not one of the rangers), they have every right to assume you are poaching and should shoot you.

Paul Hughes
Community Member
4 years ago

I don't have a problem with this. Sends a very strong message. :)

Kelsey Boondoggler
Community Member
4 years ago

How tf can the person who wrote this article justify calling poachers "innocent?!" Fuck the poachers and fuck the author for that

Andrew Lymburn
Community Member
4 years ago

Its time poachers and those associated with them got treated the same way they treat the animals and actually people that might happen to get in their way. The death penalty is not too high a price for these "animals"! .... and education of the masses who use the end products from this illegal practice just isnt working yet.

Rick Hassall
Community Member
4 years ago

I condone zero tolerance of poachers. I understand that many of them see it as a livelyhood, a job, but they are causing a species of animal to face extinction. I would not accept rhino extinction even if their horns did have miraculous healing powers, but they do not. Their deaths are pointless, other than to line the pockets of those still living in the dark ages, or of con men! So fuck em!

Edward Mesa
Community Member
4 years ago

I have been saying for years I'd be on board to do that. Sign me up. That's how you get people to stop. But it has to be on two fronts, they have to go after the business ringleaders too. Kill the head and scare the employees out of those 'jobs'. It's the same as if an intruder comes on your property to cause harm, you are legally aloud to shoot or use deadly force. These poachers are coming on to refuge protected lands. Why is this even a question? If the people were innocent, they wouldn't be there poaching. 💥

Denine Mishoe
Community Member
4 years ago

Same here!! I just pray all the parks get onboard by example before it's too late!

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Jack Spake
Community Member
4 years ago

Justified. Should be a world wide law to execute any poacher caught killing an endangered species for what ever the reason.

David Lyle
Community Member
4 years ago

The Guards are a huge risk for their own lives, as the poachers will murder them to get the horns. It's like guarding the bank, your $$, the guards and robbers.

Karen Gasca
Community Member
4 years ago

No this is not too far. These people are greedy and only think of themselves and monetary gain. Maybe more of these idiots will be removed from the planet.

Todor Pavlov
Community Member
4 years ago

Shame on you for sharing this stupid article! You are proving once again that you are not more than an yellow daily webpage! Poachers are criminals! They should be killed! Because of poachers we are losing the most rare species. You should be ashamed of taking the poachers side. If you have any information about innocent people killed - share it, make statistics and do a proper article! Like this you look like on the side of the poachers! Brainless idiots and fake journalists - this is what you are!

Todor Pavlov
Community Member
4 years ago

The question is how stupid this article is? How do you dare to put this on point! Poachers are criminals! They should be killed! There are no innocent people killed and if they are you should make a proper article with statistics inside. Not to make it like you support poachers! Shame on you!

Denine Mishoe
Community Member
4 years ago

My thoughts too. She needs a new profession... perhaps as a poacher at this park?

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Dalene McIntosh
Community Member
4 years ago

I don't think its gone too far. Hopefully the poachers will eventually be too afraid to go after Rhino. Frankly, it's justified. Don't wanna die? Don't poach!

Laura Kidd
Community Member
4 years ago

If they're poaching they deserve what they get. Maybe it will deter future poachers if they know there is a good chance they'll get a bullet in the brain!

Tricia Bower
Community Member
4 years ago

Poachers know the score when entering the park.If they are stupid enough to believe they can get away with it then tough on them.These and all other animals need protecting from savages.They enter,they die.it's their choice.Yes i think it should happen.It's pure greed,money,money,money for the life of an innocent animal!!!

Edward Hyde
Community Member
5 years ago

Can we all have a go & line up the corrupt politicians who are taking a cut from poaching too and the chinese billionaires who buy the "product"?. All seems reasonable to me, the rhinos cant shoot but wardens can for them

Ian LukeMitchell
Community Member
5 years ago

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/06/poachers-kill-satao-ii-elephant-kenya-tsavo-big-tusker This article was posted about a week ago. In my opinion, kill these scummy poachers and hang their dead carcasses around the perimeter of the national parks as a warning to all the other would-be poachers.

Ian Mair
Community Member
5 years ago

With formal protectors being outgunned and killed for years, this is where it is at. The times are desperate for these species. The same poachers are persistent, repetitive and deadly. It is indeed that dire. Kill or be killed along with the very last of these magestic beings.

Rupert Bauer
Community Member
5 years ago

My only concern i it doesn't say poachers, it says potential poachers.

Arye Bognar
Community Member
5 years ago

They're potential because they didn't get to kill any rhinos because the rangers defended the rhinos and themselves.

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Joanna Chavez
Community Member
5 years ago

Tough, they can stop when the poachers of all animals are endangered.

Ferenc Attila-Zoltan
Community Member
5 years ago

I think it more than just for poachers to be fair game.

Kjorn
Community Member
5 years ago

nice idea! but sadley it's the less fortunate who paid the price for the crazy 'natural medecine' in asia.

Stephany Sofos
Community Member
2 years ago

Kill all poachers, everyone so none can try to kill again...

Jan Rigby
Community Member
4 years ago

Poachers get what they deserve. So should the dealers and the buyers.

Deborah Lovell
Community Member
4 years ago

good!! it is about time ! Shoot to kill ALL POACHERS!

Karl Watson
Community Member
4 years ago

I think that this approach should be adopted in Africa as well....it seems to work in protecting the rhino population.

Virginia Varela
Community Member
4 years ago

EXCELLENT Shoot the Poachers They are TRASH

Virginia Varela
Community Member
4 years ago

EXCELLENT SHOOT ALL THE POACHERS THEY ARE TRASH

Randall Selinger
Community Member
4 years ago

Kill them all and let God sort it out....poachers are scum, the more dead, the better!

Lin Clarke
Community Member
4 years ago

Let's be honest, there is no way the human race will become extinct, barring a catastrophe! Let's protect the innocent and endangered - their lives are far more valuable than a handful of poachers!!!!!

Mary Marineau
Community Member
4 years ago

I 100% agree with these rangers ! These poachers need to be shot and killed for every endangered animal they have killed and have taken pictures with because they are scums of this earth! Keep protecting those beautiful animals at all costs! There is more humans on this planet and we are the biggest cause of all the animals going to extinction because of greed and luxury at the expense of the animals lives! They see the warning signs and don't listen to the warnings so they deserve to be killed for the're actions because there actions always have a reaction and that is to save the Rhinos by taking your life first! Keep up the good work.

Barry Lauritzen
Community Member
4 years ago

The answer to the question "can this kind of punishment ever be justified?" is regrettably yes. Poaching and smuggling have always been dangerous, indeed deadly occupations. I'm sure they know the risks when they undertake to loot the park of its resources. I hope there are safeguards in place to prevent collateral damage, but extreme criminality sometimes demands extreme enforcement.

Craig Goeke
Community Member
4 years ago

If this was a pack of dangerous predators making their way into an area with a limited number of humans people wouldn't think twice about use mercilessly killing them and they would be doing it out of their natural drive to survive. As for how many innocent people were killed? That's a good question but the number of innocent people has to be really low, and I would guess basically all of them were purely accidental. You've got to be packing some serious fire power to bring a rhino down not to many innocent people are going to wander into the depths of an animal preserve carrying that kind of heat.

Bhargav Sarma
Community Member
4 years ago

First of all, know which pics to use. The rhinos in Kaziranga are one-horned. Next and more importantly, anyone who is willing to take a life for money deserves nothing but a bullet between the eyes.

Denine Mishoe
Community Member
4 years ago

FINALLY!!! YES!! YES!!! YES!!! It's about time!!!! These scumbag mother fucking poachers have it coming!! It's all the will understand or respect - an eye for an eye! For years and years, all the weeny-wishy-washy methods have been tried with ZERO success! As a matter of fact, it's never been worse than it is now! Besides, with the widespread government and political corruption... forget any legal retribution or proper jail time and fines! KUDOS TO KAZIRANGA NATIONAL PARK!!! I LOVE YOU GUYS!!!!

Joye Roberts
Community Member
4 years ago

good for them, poachers are not above doing any thing to kill , its about time they figure out what it feels like, karma can be a bitch

Jamalia Roblon
Community Member
4 years ago

if this is the best way to protect them for greedy humans... so be it

Lorenzianius LeBello
Community Member
4 years ago

not a single one of those poachers was an "innocent person" this system works and is completely justified

Kirstie Byers
Community Member
4 years ago

UHM, they're not "innocent" people being killed if they're poachers. Ugh

Preetha Pradeep
Community Member
4 years ago

They are doing the right thing. If an unauthorized person is wandering in a protected National Park, he cannot be given the benefit of doubt. He knows the risks, and deserves what he had coming to him.

Dusten Rowzee
Community Member
4 years ago

YEs the people do have a right to shoot poachers, they murder animals for profit, not meat, skin or hides that kill these creatures for their horns, something that could be stolen using tranq darts instead, They are thoroughly told if your caught you will be killed so it's far game to me

David Fields
Community Member
4 years ago

Good for the park. Too many legal systems let criminals get off scot-free on technicalities while incarcerating innocent people on those same technicalities. Personally, if someone is caught in the act of a crime, the punishment should befit the crime. You shoot or appear ready to shoot a rhino, then expect to get shot yourself.

Chris Walken
Community Member
4 years ago

They knew the LAW. Poachers have proven time and time again that they cannot live within a society. Fuck 'em!

Andrew Iddenden
Community Member
4 years ago

Should be extended to apply across the globe and any animal.

Andrew Iddenden
Community Member
4 years ago

Can we extend this to apply across the whole world?

Lizzie Leishman
Community Member
4 years ago

Numbers don't count. 50 humans or a whole species?

Terry Davis
Community Member
4 years ago

I'd be happy to shoot a poacher!

Debapratim Dutta
Community Member
4 years ago

Well Rhino's of Kaziranga are One horned rhino..you have shown here two horn rhinos..So correct it. And Rhino's are killed ruthlessly for their horns and if you see how the poachers kill rhino and Cut their Horns while they are alive you will know the level of torture they have to go while alive. So its the right decision to Shoot at sight for poacher..No one is innocent or Civilian..they should be punished in highest order possible.

Cory Bayer
Community Member
4 years ago

Whoever wrote this is a prick. This is exactly what we need to do!

Opa Karl
Community Member
4 years ago

You play with fire, you get burned.

Barbara Moritsch
Community Member
4 years ago

It's working; nothing else is.

Vickie Mitchell
Community Member
4 years ago

I am perfectly fine with this. Should be policy at all endangered species preserves.

Chris Cimorelli
Community Member
4 years ago

How can you call them innocent people when in the same article you also called them POACHERS? What is the actual count? The article says more poachers have been killed than rhinos. So you're saying the poachers actually pose a threat. Not only that, they're trespassing. I just... I don't see the problem with killing them? I don't think anyone should ever go on a wanton killing spree and just kill people for the sake of it. But this isn't that.

Vickie Mitchell
Community Member
4 years ago

Perfectly fine with this. It's working so should be the policy at all endangered species preserves. The animals aren't there because there is time to screw with your lack of morals - stay the hell away and leave them alone.....or die....your choice.

Cindy Roodakker
Community Member
4 years ago

where can i sign up? i would LOOOOOOVEEE to shoot some poachers..

Robert Roberts
Community Member
4 years ago

Totally one sided article. Not a word about how many park rangers have been killed by poachers over the years, not to mention how well armed the poachers are. I wonder what the Rhino population would be if those 50 had not been killed?

Rhiannon Bender
Community Member
4 years ago

Don't try and kill a fucking Rhino n ya won't get shot. There ya go. The Rhinos are defenseless against the poachers, so the park is defending them, they're only evening the fight.

Honza Micka
Community Member
4 years ago

I am sorry, but I think this is as right as it can be. They are defending endangered species for bullshit believes and money. People from park should be allowed to shoot after poachers. Its not a crime, its more like a self defense. I don't think that any of these people that shot a poacher should be punished. These guys are doing the right thing. Poachers would kill these creatures, there is just a few of rhinos. But too many humans. And also what do you mean how many innocent people were killed. If you are armed, and you are too close to these creatures or you are aiming at them. From that moment you are potencial danger.

Ray Irwin
Community Member
4 years ago

I think they are doing a great job. Most 'visitors' won't be carrying rifles. So the Rangers know exactly who to go after.

Annamaria Keskeny
Community Member
4 years ago

I approve...

Carl Schubert
Community Member
4 years ago

We should adopt the same response for heroin dealers. Catch them dealing, execute them on the spot. Don't waste time and money on the courts.

Miranda Vetwrap Squisher
Community Member
4 years ago

I think it's justifiable. Humans are destroying our planet and for selfish reasons. The question was how many innocent people are killed but how many innocent animals are killed? If it was natural selection that'd be one thing, but we are depleting habitats and adding more animals to the endangered list all the time. And if it's a reserve there should be no trespassing anyways.

Thad Lucken
Community Member
4 years ago

the communists are taking over south africa as we speak. all their animals are going to be chopped up for bushmeat when the place goes venezuela. then the chinese will come in and start raising rhinos for horn and harvesting it to sell to asians with money to burn. but the liberals wont let us sell the horn and farm it so they africans just keep trying to steal it.

Skye Wilson
Community Member
4 years ago

Shit! I actually had that same idea! You're so right! China is practically treating African like their long lost child. Heck, I read they're even going to build a Disneyland in one city. I think they need another continent to dump some of their 1.37 BILLION people and spread them out and they've chosen Africa. God help every animal on that continent!!

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Kandice Wright
Community Member
4 years ago

I volunteer for this job!

Jazmin Sapphire
Community Member
4 years ago

Innocent ???? Are you kidding me. If they know they be kill and still venture in they are not innocent.