Baby Boomer Suggests Everyone Who Wants “Free” Education Should Join The Army, Gets Shut Down By Millennial
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Baby boomers (born between 1946 and 1964) and millennials (born between the early 1980s and early 2000s) don’t see eye to eye on many things. The price of higher education is one of them. To put it simply, millennials want cheaper tuition and baby boomers believe that they’re entitled to even think so. And this recent exchange on Facebook perfectly illustrates this conflict.
According to HSBC’s 2017 report, The Value of Education, The US again emerged as the top choice for parents considering university abroad for their child – but also one of the most expensive, with parents contributing an average of US$58,464 towards their child’s education in the US per year (including tuition fees, transport, books and accommodation).
According to Top Universities, the very top US universities (the majority of which are private non-profits), fees and living costs are likely to add up to as much as $60,000 per year, but it’s also possible to study in the US at a much lower outlay. “Those seeking a more affordable option will find lower tuition fees at US universities within the public sector. These are typically run as state university systems – collections of colleges within a state, which share some administrative aspects while operating as separate institutions.”
As College Board states, tuition fees for 2018/19 at state colleges are an average of US$10,230 for state residents, and $26,290 for everyone else. This compares to an average of $35,830 at private non-profit colleges.
To put things into perspective, the Bureau Labor of Statistics reports that an Average 20 to 24-year-old American working full time earns about $596 per week or $30,992 per year.
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I will never understand how our country has endless amounts of money to send our young people to die in wars, yet we seemingly never have any money to allow our citizens to better themselves.
Read 1984
It seems that you are assuming that everyone is on board with whatever BS war they are sending our military off to fight in. Most of America doesn't understand why the hell we are even in the Middle East. Personally, I say bring ALL of our troops home and shut down all of our overseas bases and leave just enough troops to protect our embassies. Second of all, I have enough trouble just getting my own family ahead, why the hell should I have to pay for you and yours to get ahead. Do you think these systems to "allow our citizens to better themselves" would be any less abused then our current welfare system??? Are you always delusional or is it just where people's altruism is concerned??
allow? You don't need permission to improve yourself
That's VERY OBVIOUSLY not what this person meant. Come on.
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Well, I guess this is one of the problems with entitlements. USA pours money into entitlements. But as soon as someone spots one that they want but don’t have: we never spend any money on the citizens.
If by "entitlement" you mean companies like Wal-Mart and Amazon that feel entitled to subsidies in the form of social assistance for their workers because their wages are too low, or feel entitled to pay zero tax on billions in profit, then sure. The problem is not "entitlements" per say, but what people categorize as entitlements, which is largely determined by their political identity.
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Well without the protection of our military you won't have the freedom to go to school or make money. Yes I do believe they should make more of an effort on education because it'll benefit the country in years to come. So think before you comment
What protection from the military? USA is constantly at war but OUTSIDE your country. There hasnt been a war in your country for centuries.Yet the citizens of USA often talk like if they are always under atack (defending the militars and their weapon rights). I honestly believe that it is because of all the propaganda and the action movies that seem to show that USA is the 'capital' of the world and always a target by terrorists, war, aliens etc...
Absolutely RIGHT!
I'm so grateful that I live in a country where education is free. Otherwise there would have been no chance in hell that I could have studied for 11 years at university, as my single mother of three was an low income taker. And no, we don't pay 65% tax, if you make a ton of money, then you pay 50%, the lowest rate (if you earn less than 19 247 kronor per year, it's tax free) is 29%. Even if 29% sounds like a lot, we have nearly the same percent millionairs in my country as in the USA. So obviously taxes doesn't effect the possibility to become rich.
Can you say that a little louder Lingon..I don't think the conservatives in the back heard you? I had friends that were freaking out about the possibility of Bernie Sanders becoming president of the USA. They were middle income families that were panicking about being taxed at 40%. Their theory "I shouldn't have to work my ass off to have the same stuff as the lazy person who doesn't want to work." I tried to tell them how socialism works with everyone getting the same "vouchers" for living expenses..but the people that earn more can get bigger and better cars and houses while going on long vacations. I informed them that nothing of their lifestyle would change..what would change is who pays for it. It's still a situation of the more you work the more you get.
Most of these same panickers don't seem to realize that the so-called Middle Class tax cut is actually a middle class tax increase. Rates were cut and the standard deduction doubled, but that only lasts for 8 years. (The corporate tax cuts are permanent.) After that it reverts. But the deductions that were lost or capped are still lost or capped. And they changed the way brackets are adjusted for inflation each year so that people will move up into higher brackets more quickly. That will have a massive cumulative effect years down the road. So some people got a temporary tax cut. Some are already paying more. Maybe if these people had a better education they wouldn't be fooled by politicians so easily.
Carol, unclench your fuck-flaps. I'm Canadian, and we pity your sorry ass, "working the same ass off..." - Greatest nation on earth....ha! Suck it!
That's the problem with America. Everyone feels since they're here they should be rich. Everyone wants to flaunt their bigger cars and houses. They want status of being rich. Nothing wrong with a normal sized house and a good car. And so long as they have those THINGS forget about anyone else or their living situation. Not everyone's the same. IQs are different so maybe they can't get a good job or complete a good education. No one helps their fellow person. They expect the government to do it and say they're taken care of and forget about them. Yes there is lazy people and they should get the short end of the stick. If you were stranded on an island with you're higher education with someone who doesn't but knows how to live off the land and make things for shelter but you didn't. You would want them to help you. But what if they acted like you said we're not into socialism. Then you'd die of starvation and the elements. Think about it...
What Bernie wants is nothing but theft. It's the government demanding your money so they can give it to others so they can get votes. We live in the poor house while Bernie lives the life of luxury. If you're for that, then you're an idiot. How about you practice what you preach and move out of the US and go to Venezuela or Russia, Cuba, China, etc. See how that pans out.
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Wow! Bernie is really blowin the hot air hard. It only works that way for a while. The government doesn't mine or manufacture. The raw material for the government's "product" comes right out of my wallet and sooner or later I run out of "ore" . The solution is NOT the born-to-fail system of SOCIALISM. It is hard work, saving and planning! Stop playing video games, watching TV and hanging out and go EARN your future you bunch of entitlement minded ignorant little spoiled brats!
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What they were freaking out about is something you don’t understand. And also... you *said* something to these friends of yours. You didn’t *inform* them, because you’re wrong about the “nothing of their lifestyle would change.” That has never been true of socialism, anywhere it’s been implemented. It’s more than about who pays for it, too, but even if it would, that should give you pause unless you’re fully invested in the politics of envy and hate. Person X wants something the benefit of which will fall predominantly him. He should therefore bear the lion’s share of the cost. Instead, politicians want to shift that burden so that everyone else is now paying for that which benefits you. The public already does that, of course, with the first 12 years of your education (and notice until the topic of “socialism pro or con” comes up, pretty much everyone both in and out of USA says the educational system here is doing a poor job). You think tuition is expensive now? Wait til it’s free.
11 years? How many subjects did you study?
A lot! I'm a curious person, so I have studied mostly natural science subjects like biology, geology, but also history, archeology and so on. :) I like studying, so I just do it.
Der Cappy, get your facts straight.
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Likely it wasn’t so much a matter of studying a lot of subjects as it was taking advantage of the beneficence of the State to keep from going to work (and thus joining the legions of people having to actually pay for people like him).
actually an 11 year long academic vacation sounds nice... free room & board, lots of interesting people to visit with, no responsibilities to be a responsible contributing citizen...someday the whole house of socialist cards is going to fall in just like it has done recently in Venezuela... working people can't find work & are eating their neighbors' pets to feed their kids.... how long until this is the case in Sweden? we'll see....
Free room and board? Where? And yet again you shove that you have never been to university. I think it will take a very long time before we see anything like that in Sweden, as we don't put all our eggs in one basket as they did in Venezuela. We even have oil that we haven't used.
Did I hear oil?
THAT S**T IS MINE! (lol, oil joke reference)
Thats not exactly true. And its not exactly wrong. Its a huge oversimplification. The answer to how much tax you are paying in said country is much, much more complicated then that. I take it you are living in Sweden, like me. Actually, the tax laws in Sweden is up for a huge overhaul since its all patches from 2019 all the way back to early 90's when there was a huge reform with basically a blank slate. And yes. If you are talking about Sweden, I know what I am talking about. I am an acountant working mainly with taxes and tax law - and has done that for more then a decade.
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and you are delusional if you think more legislation if going to fix that socialist mess... Legislation is what caused the problem in the first place... They will never "sacrifice the sacred cows" so to speak, since the will lose their jobs at the next election.
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Lingon, your superior system is going to morph into Euro-Islam... Enjoy wearing your burkha and being a second class citizen in your own country because you are a woman.
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And your country is?
The garden of Eden compaired to yours.
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Proud Texan, citizen of the USA....
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Sweden is not paying its fair share for the defense of Europe. Sweden hasn't helped at all stopping the terrorists in Iraq, Afganistan, & Syria. Instead you people have invited them to live in your country. The violent crime in your country is done by the terrorists you have invited in. If your country would pay its fair share to defend Europe & the world from terrorists, your taxes would be about 65%. It sounds like they paid a fortune for you to amuse yourself pursuing an education you don't even use. What nonsense!
Hahaha. You don't know what a neutral country is, do you? If we are in Nato? No, we are neutral. If we let money rain on the military to go oversees and invade other countries so we ca steal from them, instead of spending it on our population? No. If we send UN troups overseas? Actually, yes we do. We go to those places where you are to chicken to go or where there is nothing for you to steal. And no, the terrorist attacks in Sweden comes mostly from the extrem right, you know, those "fine people" your president called them. And even if immigrants like the finns do commit more crime, it's simply because crime is more common in situations like unemployment. And, and this is a big and, your crime rate far exceds ours. For example, your murder rate is 5 times as high as ours. And where did I write that I don't use my education? Stop watching FOX, they are not telling the truth.
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Yes, 50% is the max on income taxes. But you pay VAT (21%) on almost everything, council taxes, road taxes, taxes on selling your house, tax on insurance policies, taxes on savings, etc, etc. In total you'll pay indeed around 69% taxes on your monthly pay.
Your numbers are way off, like way way off. First: VAT is not 21%, it's 6, 12 or 25 depending on what it is, and on healthcare (including meds) it's 0%. Unhealthy stuff like alcohol and tobacco is at 25%, most groceries at 6 or 12. But that is not even an issue, wages are higher here and minimum income is higher here. I was unemployed for years and lived on social security which is based on the minimum cost of living and I lived just fine on that. Now I work 50% (or 4 h per day) and I make almost double of what I had when I was unemployed and I don't want nor do I need to work fulltime. And again, your numbers are way off. With my (halftime job and therefore lower pay) income I pay just over 17% in monthly taxes. And also, I do NOT pay individual taxes for roads, it's included in the 17% that I pay each month. Which I am happy to do because I never had to pay for every trip to the ER that I had to do in my life, which I had to do many many times since I have multiple food allergies, and I never had to pay for the 4 times I had to ride an ambulance to the ER either.
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the joke will be on you, Lingon, when the terrorists force you to convert to their religion on ultimatum of death by beheading.... we get the news over here about how all your leftist tolerance is working out for you.... Terrorists rape your 12 y.o. girls (and sometimes boys), pull down their pants and dump in your front rose beds, and milk for all its worth your free everything socialist paradise give-away programs. The middle class & rich in your country have to pay for this. OH, and I forgot to mention that terrorists kill your people in cold blood without provocation for reasons of religious hate. Your people say it was just insanity, and then put the murderer in the luxury hotels you call prisons, since you do not have the courage to execute your murderers any more. Do you really think you have a superior system? and p.s...about the swipe at my education, I have earned two degrees & just ended my career teaching last semester at the local college...your insult here just proves you have nothing left to say, or at least anything intelligent to say... "superior"??? yeah, right...
Obviously we do have a superior system. You are a prime example of what happens when the public are uneducated.
I very much understand the Millennial angst and anger. I'm a late boomer (1960) who didn't get to go to college at 18, even though I had the grades (shitty parents who could've easily sent all 5 of their kids to college, but washed their hands of each of us when we hit 18). The bill for tuition when I was between 18-22 would've been so cheap, but because I was working full time and supporting myself on very low pay (rate of pay for my first job: $3.45/hour), and because I had no support system of people to counsel me on financial aid, I couldn't afford to even pay that little. It took being laid off at 51, going on unemployment for the first time in my life, and qualifying for a Workforce Development grant to pay for my Associates degree to get me started. On 5/22/19, I will be graduating with my Masters degree in Conflict Resolution. However, job hunting for me is even more difficult than for my much younger cohorts because I get to encounter ageism too.
Wow! That's an amazing effort, Kathryn. Congratulations on your upcoming graduation and all the best for your job hunting.
I will never understand how our country has endless amounts of money to send our young people to die in wars, yet we seemingly never have any money to allow our citizens to better themselves.
Read 1984
It seems that you are assuming that everyone is on board with whatever BS war they are sending our military off to fight in. Most of America doesn't understand why the hell we are even in the Middle East. Personally, I say bring ALL of our troops home and shut down all of our overseas bases and leave just enough troops to protect our embassies. Second of all, I have enough trouble just getting my own family ahead, why the hell should I have to pay for you and yours to get ahead. Do you think these systems to "allow our citizens to better themselves" would be any less abused then our current welfare system??? Are you always delusional or is it just where people's altruism is concerned??
allow? You don't need permission to improve yourself
That's VERY OBVIOUSLY not what this person meant. Come on.
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Well, I guess this is one of the problems with entitlements. USA pours money into entitlements. But as soon as someone spots one that they want but don’t have: we never spend any money on the citizens.
If by "entitlement" you mean companies like Wal-Mart and Amazon that feel entitled to subsidies in the form of social assistance for their workers because their wages are too low, or feel entitled to pay zero tax on billions in profit, then sure. The problem is not "entitlements" per say, but what people categorize as entitlements, which is largely determined by their political identity.
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Well without the protection of our military you won't have the freedom to go to school or make money. Yes I do believe they should make more of an effort on education because it'll benefit the country in years to come. So think before you comment
What protection from the military? USA is constantly at war but OUTSIDE your country. There hasnt been a war in your country for centuries.Yet the citizens of USA often talk like if they are always under atack (defending the militars and their weapon rights). I honestly believe that it is because of all the propaganda and the action movies that seem to show that USA is the 'capital' of the world and always a target by terrorists, war, aliens etc...
Absolutely RIGHT!
I'm so grateful that I live in a country where education is free. Otherwise there would have been no chance in hell that I could have studied for 11 years at university, as my single mother of three was an low income taker. And no, we don't pay 65% tax, if you make a ton of money, then you pay 50%, the lowest rate (if you earn less than 19 247 kronor per year, it's tax free) is 29%. Even if 29% sounds like a lot, we have nearly the same percent millionairs in my country as in the USA. So obviously taxes doesn't effect the possibility to become rich.
Can you say that a little louder Lingon..I don't think the conservatives in the back heard you? I had friends that were freaking out about the possibility of Bernie Sanders becoming president of the USA. They were middle income families that were panicking about being taxed at 40%. Their theory "I shouldn't have to work my ass off to have the same stuff as the lazy person who doesn't want to work." I tried to tell them how socialism works with everyone getting the same "vouchers" for living expenses..but the people that earn more can get bigger and better cars and houses while going on long vacations. I informed them that nothing of their lifestyle would change..what would change is who pays for it. It's still a situation of the more you work the more you get.
Most of these same panickers don't seem to realize that the so-called Middle Class tax cut is actually a middle class tax increase. Rates were cut and the standard deduction doubled, but that only lasts for 8 years. (The corporate tax cuts are permanent.) After that it reverts. But the deductions that were lost or capped are still lost or capped. And they changed the way brackets are adjusted for inflation each year so that people will move up into higher brackets more quickly. That will have a massive cumulative effect years down the road. So some people got a temporary tax cut. Some are already paying more. Maybe if these people had a better education they wouldn't be fooled by politicians so easily.
Carol, unclench your fuck-flaps. I'm Canadian, and we pity your sorry ass, "working the same ass off..." - Greatest nation on earth....ha! Suck it!
That's the problem with America. Everyone feels since they're here they should be rich. Everyone wants to flaunt their bigger cars and houses. They want status of being rich. Nothing wrong with a normal sized house and a good car. And so long as they have those THINGS forget about anyone else or their living situation. Not everyone's the same. IQs are different so maybe they can't get a good job or complete a good education. No one helps their fellow person. They expect the government to do it and say they're taken care of and forget about them. Yes there is lazy people and they should get the short end of the stick. If you were stranded on an island with you're higher education with someone who doesn't but knows how to live off the land and make things for shelter but you didn't. You would want them to help you. But what if they acted like you said we're not into socialism. Then you'd die of starvation and the elements. Think about it...
What Bernie wants is nothing but theft. It's the government demanding your money so they can give it to others so they can get votes. We live in the poor house while Bernie lives the life of luxury. If you're for that, then you're an idiot. How about you practice what you preach and move out of the US and go to Venezuela or Russia, Cuba, China, etc. See how that pans out.
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Wow! Bernie is really blowin the hot air hard. It only works that way for a while. The government doesn't mine or manufacture. The raw material for the government's "product" comes right out of my wallet and sooner or later I run out of "ore" . The solution is NOT the born-to-fail system of SOCIALISM. It is hard work, saving and planning! Stop playing video games, watching TV and hanging out and go EARN your future you bunch of entitlement minded ignorant little spoiled brats!
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What they were freaking out about is something you don’t understand. And also... you *said* something to these friends of yours. You didn’t *inform* them, because you’re wrong about the “nothing of their lifestyle would change.” That has never been true of socialism, anywhere it’s been implemented. It’s more than about who pays for it, too, but even if it would, that should give you pause unless you’re fully invested in the politics of envy and hate. Person X wants something the benefit of which will fall predominantly him. He should therefore bear the lion’s share of the cost. Instead, politicians want to shift that burden so that everyone else is now paying for that which benefits you. The public already does that, of course, with the first 12 years of your education (and notice until the topic of “socialism pro or con” comes up, pretty much everyone both in and out of USA says the educational system here is doing a poor job). You think tuition is expensive now? Wait til it’s free.
11 years? How many subjects did you study?
A lot! I'm a curious person, so I have studied mostly natural science subjects like biology, geology, but also history, archeology and so on. :) I like studying, so I just do it.
Der Cappy, get your facts straight.
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Likely it wasn’t so much a matter of studying a lot of subjects as it was taking advantage of the beneficence of the State to keep from going to work (and thus joining the legions of people having to actually pay for people like him).
actually an 11 year long academic vacation sounds nice... free room & board, lots of interesting people to visit with, no responsibilities to be a responsible contributing citizen...someday the whole house of socialist cards is going to fall in just like it has done recently in Venezuela... working people can't find work & are eating their neighbors' pets to feed their kids.... how long until this is the case in Sweden? we'll see....
Free room and board? Where? And yet again you shove that you have never been to university. I think it will take a very long time before we see anything like that in Sweden, as we don't put all our eggs in one basket as they did in Venezuela. We even have oil that we haven't used.
Did I hear oil?
THAT S**T IS MINE! (lol, oil joke reference)
Thats not exactly true. And its not exactly wrong. Its a huge oversimplification. The answer to how much tax you are paying in said country is much, much more complicated then that. I take it you are living in Sweden, like me. Actually, the tax laws in Sweden is up for a huge overhaul since its all patches from 2019 all the way back to early 90's when there was a huge reform with basically a blank slate. And yes. If you are talking about Sweden, I know what I am talking about. I am an acountant working mainly with taxes and tax law - and has done that for more then a decade.
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and you are delusional if you think more legislation if going to fix that socialist mess... Legislation is what caused the problem in the first place... They will never "sacrifice the sacred cows" so to speak, since the will lose their jobs at the next election.
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Lingon, your superior system is going to morph into Euro-Islam... Enjoy wearing your burkha and being a second class citizen in your own country because you are a woman.
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And your country is?
The garden of Eden compaired to yours.
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Proud Texan, citizen of the USA....
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Sweden is not paying its fair share for the defense of Europe. Sweden hasn't helped at all stopping the terrorists in Iraq, Afganistan, & Syria. Instead you people have invited them to live in your country. The violent crime in your country is done by the terrorists you have invited in. If your country would pay its fair share to defend Europe & the world from terrorists, your taxes would be about 65%. It sounds like they paid a fortune for you to amuse yourself pursuing an education you don't even use. What nonsense!
Hahaha. You don't know what a neutral country is, do you? If we are in Nato? No, we are neutral. If we let money rain on the military to go oversees and invade other countries so we ca steal from them, instead of spending it on our population? No. If we send UN troups overseas? Actually, yes we do. We go to those places where you are to chicken to go or where there is nothing for you to steal. And no, the terrorist attacks in Sweden comes mostly from the extrem right, you know, those "fine people" your president called them. And even if immigrants like the finns do commit more crime, it's simply because crime is more common in situations like unemployment. And, and this is a big and, your crime rate far exceds ours. For example, your murder rate is 5 times as high as ours. And where did I write that I don't use my education? Stop watching FOX, they are not telling the truth.
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Yes, 50% is the max on income taxes. But you pay VAT (21%) on almost everything, council taxes, road taxes, taxes on selling your house, tax on insurance policies, taxes on savings, etc, etc. In total you'll pay indeed around 69% taxes on your monthly pay.
Your numbers are way off, like way way off. First: VAT is not 21%, it's 6, 12 or 25 depending on what it is, and on healthcare (including meds) it's 0%. Unhealthy stuff like alcohol and tobacco is at 25%, most groceries at 6 or 12. But that is not even an issue, wages are higher here and minimum income is higher here. I was unemployed for years and lived on social security which is based on the minimum cost of living and I lived just fine on that. Now I work 50% (or 4 h per day) and I make almost double of what I had when I was unemployed and I don't want nor do I need to work fulltime. And again, your numbers are way off. With my (halftime job and therefore lower pay) income I pay just over 17% in monthly taxes. And also, I do NOT pay individual taxes for roads, it's included in the 17% that I pay each month. Which I am happy to do because I never had to pay for every trip to the ER that I had to do in my life, which I had to do many many times since I have multiple food allergies, and I never had to pay for the 4 times I had to ride an ambulance to the ER either.
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the joke will be on you, Lingon, when the terrorists force you to convert to their religion on ultimatum of death by beheading.... we get the news over here about how all your leftist tolerance is working out for you.... Terrorists rape your 12 y.o. girls (and sometimes boys), pull down their pants and dump in your front rose beds, and milk for all its worth your free everything socialist paradise give-away programs. The middle class & rich in your country have to pay for this. OH, and I forgot to mention that terrorists kill your people in cold blood without provocation for reasons of religious hate. Your people say it was just insanity, and then put the murderer in the luxury hotels you call prisons, since you do not have the courage to execute your murderers any more. Do you really think you have a superior system? and p.s...about the swipe at my education, I have earned two degrees & just ended my career teaching last semester at the local college...your insult here just proves you have nothing left to say, or at least anything intelligent to say... "superior"??? yeah, right...
Obviously we do have a superior system. You are a prime example of what happens when the public are uneducated.
I very much understand the Millennial angst and anger. I'm a late boomer (1960) who didn't get to go to college at 18, even though I had the grades (shitty parents who could've easily sent all 5 of their kids to college, but washed their hands of each of us when we hit 18). The bill for tuition when I was between 18-22 would've been so cheap, but because I was working full time and supporting myself on very low pay (rate of pay for my first job: $3.45/hour), and because I had no support system of people to counsel me on financial aid, I couldn't afford to even pay that little. It took being laid off at 51, going on unemployment for the first time in my life, and qualifying for a Workforce Development grant to pay for my Associates degree to get me started. On 5/22/19, I will be graduating with my Masters degree in Conflict Resolution. However, job hunting for me is even more difficult than for my much younger cohorts because I get to encounter ageism too.
Wow! That's an amazing effort, Kathryn. Congratulations on your upcoming graduation and all the best for your job hunting.