Irish Teen Gets Annoyed By Americans Asking Her Stupid Questions So She Refuses To Give Her Class A Presentation Of Her Culture
Moving countries puts huge pressure on anyone, especially if you’re a teenager. Leaving your close friends, family members, and everything you took for granted behind and finding yourself in a completely foreign environment where you’re expected to get comfy and thrive, at such a precarious time of your life, can be daunting. This is what happened to one 16-year-old Irish woman from Dublin who moved to a small town in the south of the US with her family.
Here, she joined the high school where her classmates soon picked up on her unusual accent and started teasing her with Irish stereotypes. The teen was then asked by her history teacher to present her Irish culture to her class, but this was the last thing she wanted to do.
The drama ensued, and the teen who wrote this lengthy Reddit post is now unsure whether it was the right thing to do to refuse to share her background. “I don’t want to be used as some kind of performance monkey,” she stated of this challenging situation. Read the full story below and share what you think in the comment section!
The Irish teen has moved to a small town in the US where she refused to teach her class about her culture as she didn’t want to “be used as some kind of performance monkey”
Image credits: Fotos_PDX (not the actual photo)
Here is the full story that the author posted on Reddit in a bid to find out if she was right to refuse to share her background with her class
Image credits: aoifecassidydublin
And this is what people had to say about this whole situation
As a Korean guy studied and still living in India for the better half of my life, I kinda understand her. Ignorant(often nasty) stereotype is really off putting and it'd naturally put anyone's guard up. It's actually pretty sad for both the parties here..
Finally someone who understands. I'm an Italo-Croatian in Korea since 2010 and I totally understand what she's going through. People might mean no harm, but looking different and coming from abroad lessens the general perception of you as an equal human being. As I said in a comment below, I do get the excitement, but I'm not anybody's mascot, or an exotic animal, and I can totally feel the difference when someone is genuinely curious about my culture or just asks me questions for their own vanity.
Load More Replies...Well, not an asshole, but grossly overreacting. If you want people to stop seeing you as something special and thinking you live in stone cottages with leprechauns, you need to teach them. What's the harm in telling them that you come from a perfectly normal country, with great healthcare, fast internet and all the same things as any Western country has? America has a bad school system, they don't learn this stuff, so why not tell them? Being bullied is a problem, but then refusing to stand up and explain what it's really like is just stupid.
Is she not a free person? She doesn't want to do it, plain and simple and doesn't need to justify herself to ANYONE. Her body, her choice. Her mind, her choice. She chose NO.
Load More Replies...As a "foreigner" who lived in the USA for 22 years, I can attest to the fact that there are parts of America where they literally know nothing about the outside world. Asking someone to talk about their culture would be seen as a compliment. Which is why they didn't ask the kid from Mexico. She is offended by what she thinks is mockery, when she should be offended by the appalling ignorance. Just as an aside, to deal with this, I created an entire program for my daughter's elementary school where parents who were born all around the world would come in on this one multicultural day, and the kids would have little passports and could go to visit different "countries". We would tell them fun and interesting things about our cultures. We got the kids to learn about their own cultural heritages. Everyone loved it.
That's what our teachers organized too! And they added a food component to it too. As a kid, I loved the opportunity to introduce my classmates to my country of origin and some of the amazing food we have plus trying the traditional foods brought in by other students. We were in a multicultural city though and I was never the only immigrant kid in the class, there were always 4-5 of us.
Load More Replies...The teacher should research Ireland and teach a class on it to make you feel welcome, and she can run a few things by you, not ask you to do a presentation. Any classmate that's curious can google. Americans are so absorbed in thinking their country is the best, ridiculous how little they know about other countries. With the internet nowadays you have zero excuses for not being clued up on the rest of the world.
Totally NTA an no it's not her job to teach the most basic concepts about her country. Being interested is one thing but these questions are just plain insulting. This is not about getting to know someone's culture but just showing how ignorant and full of prejudices you are. I have never been to Ireland and have no special connections there but I know all that stuff.
I think it’s the teacher’s way of trying to help you fit in. You’ve taken it the wrong way.
He could have explained that to her and asked her permission before putting her on the spot.
Load More Replies...No matter where you come from: across an ocean or over the next county line, a kid moving to any small town will have it bad. Lansing Macomber was brought to Lubec, Maine as an infant, and lived there 94 years. His gravestone reads "He was almost one of us."
Yep, you’re always “from away” even if you’ve spent more of your life in the new location than where you originally came from.
Load More Replies...It must be tough at that age to move to a different country. I understand she's having a hard time. And yes, she could be a bit more social, but I'd think give her some time to adjust. I think the teacher was asking the question from a good place, but the school is way overreacting if they want to see her parents for a chat. The teacher could just have had a private talk with the girl and ask how she's handling it so far away from home. Just to show some love and support. Being 16 is already a tough age, and add to that the fact that she's far away from friends and family...
Why not take this opportunity to educate them - how Ireland isn't that different, or backward, and how it is different and so much better. Show the cities and fast food outlets and malls. Then compare the healthcare, levels of obesity, life expectancy, gun violence, education, average uni fees and student debt.
Because they haven’t earned it. If they wanted a chance to be educated by her, they should act right.
Load More Replies...I moved from Australia to Chicago for a couple of years in the late 90s. I went to college there as a mature age student. Best question I got asked in class was "do you have electricity in Australia?" I said "yeah, but we want to use a computer, we have to sit on an exercise bike connected to the computer and peddle REALLY fast the whole time so we can have internet!" For a few seconds, they actually believed me...
I'm an American who moved to Sydney in the early 00's for a few years and trust me, I got a ton of stupid questions directed at me as well. Pretty sure it's just a universal experience thanks to stereotypes.
Load More Replies...When my family once moved from Austria to Teneriffa the other kids at my new school were very curious. They too asked me lots of questions. The little stuff they know about Austria and if this is all true or not (for example: Did you live like Heidi on the mountain?). But everyone was still kind they wanted to learn about my country. I can´t tell how the situation really is at her school now. But I understand how she might feel, all new, all alone in this new country, missing family and friends and everyone asks (stupid) questions. This may lead to her misinterpret the questions. Guess everything the kids there know about Ireland comes from films. And there they see mostly the stereotypes so you can not actually blame them. So I think she should take the chance and tell her new classmates about where she is from and how her life was there. Maybe the Mexican boy wasn´t asked because they already know about his country and his life before. Teach them, if you have the opportunity!
Most of the students who ask silly questions are usually just showing off or doing things just for laughs. Unfortunately they are not funny most of the time. People have to understand they have never had to make a move to another country either. The teacher should have done this a different way or planned it better.
I suspect the class presentation may have been the teacher's idea for a solution to the bullying; "show the class Ireland is not the simple farming community you think it is," sorta thing.
That’s true but the teacher is also supposed to be educated in child behavior. So she should at least be aware that putting the spotlight on the teen girl isn’t the solution to what she experienced.
Load More Replies...She's a kid being asked to explain her beloved culture to other kids who have been rude and condescending. Not her job. True, some kids are naturally curious, but they can be jerks with the teasing and stupid questions, but that's their communities' fault. Someone else posted that the teacher should give a lesson on Ireland first. I agree. She could have the other students do a little research on some aspects of Irish culture. Group projects even. That's her job. She then could privately ask the girl if she'd like to help with answering any questions, and accept it if the girl prefers not to. She has a lot of things to process about this big move in her life. She's far away from loving friends and family and lonely. She's a teenager, which comes with its own identity issues under the best of circumstances. I imagine she's feeling a bit overwhelmed having to explain herself to those who mock her.
I don't think she is an arsehole just for not sharing. Ultimately it's her decision, there should be no coercion when it comes to education. If she isn't comfortable then she certainly don't have to. After all surely one can always Google what it's like in Dublin, it ain't some obscure island in the middle of the Pacific for crying out loud.
I can't believe some of these comments saying it's somehow this girls responsibility to educate her peers. Ireland was brutally colonized and imperially repressed for centuries - their characteristics made into jokes and cruel stereotypes which still very much exist today. Imagine if a kid from Tanzania was asked to perform African stereotypes, made fun of for her dialect, her coily hair or skin colour? Would you still place the responsibility of education on the poor Tanzanian kid's shoulders?
They're not asking her to perform stereotypes, they're asking her questions about how is life like in a foreign country. It is commonly expected that when people are asked questions that are not intrusive, they will answer at least to a basic extent.
Load More Replies...To be honest, she is a bit of an ahole. I was put in exact the same position and took it as a brilliant opportunity to put some of the stereotypes people had of my 'country of origin' right.
Oh look, another US bashing post. I guess it has been three days since the last one. Americans are vilified for ignorance about other cultures and now vilified for when they try to learn about different cultures. Just can't win. On an aside, it sounds like she is pissed she had to move and is taking it out on those around her. She has every right not to do a presentation but I think she is assigning motives to people that just aren't there. She sounds far more close minded than the evil southerns she hates.
There's a massive difference between "Hey, you're from Ireland, would you like to introduce us to your culture?" And "Do you live in like little stone huts with like leprechauns and stuff?". If you honestly can't tell the difference between the two, the problem is with you.
Load More Replies...I was born in France and when we came to the US, I found people very curious and friendly about it. This was before the days of mass travel and internet so the curiosity was probably very real but it never caused any problems at all. That being said it was in California in the 80s. If we had gone to Alabama, for example, I would probably have had a different experience.
If American's are ignorant on other countries and their cultures they are ridiculed. If Americans ask questions to better understand a place they admit they don't know enough about they are annoying and rude. At least based on the large amount of AmericansBeStupid posts on Bored Panda...am I reading that right? Is it just me? Not all Americans are stupid, are ignorant or happy being ignorant, are rude, are racist, hate humanity. Those are just the loudest and us normal folk don't scream back, we work on bettering our selves, families and communities how we can.
This drives me mad. I hold both Russian and American citizenships and have lived all over the world. People make plenty of jokes about Americans and those ones feel pretty harmless, but they are RUTHLESS about my Russian identity. Apparently all Russians are just uneducated spies trying to violently convert every other culture into Soviet blocks. Never mind that regardless of what you believe politically, there are massive oppositions to the current political regime in which people are getting arrested. Never mind that Russian literature (which most of the people I speak to have never read) is top class, or that the operas and ballets are some of the best in the world. Never mind that Russia has modern cities with tons of green space, or a thriving scientific community, or a brilliant film culture, or gorgeous, well preserved nature. I'm not saying Russia doesn't have issues but I completely understand how she feels in constantly having to defend her identity.
Whenever I see little pieces of Russian culture, like dance for instance, it makes me so happy because Russian culture is so amazing and beautiful
Load More Replies...This young lady has been put to a very difficult situation. Had to move to a different country and to an area where I personally wouldn't ever settle. She's losing her friends and being bullied. To top that off, teacher wants to put her in spotlight to teach her classmates about Irish culture. Yes this is an opportunity to educate the classmates and yes I would take that opportunity and tell them about government, economy, education and technology. I would leave out all leprachaun thingies and bust some stereotypes. But I'm an adult and can handle this kind of situations better than a 16 year old. Hopefully her parents can support her in this situation.
Not handled very well by either side. Not wanting to be here and not liking it here plus being a teenager magnifies everything. I know some people will disagree but sometimes teasing is used affectionately and as an ice breaker. I know it's easier said than done but chill.
Im American and I would never travel to the Bible Belt. Who the f**k wants to be judged by the ignorant religious zealots that will hate you based only because they read the fictional stories of the Bible. They pick and choose which parts of the Bible to use to hate you with
I’m a “foreigner” who lived in the Bible Belt during some of my childhood. It’s so ironic that they believe in that dumb religious shît while their community is the closest thing to literal actual Hell than anywhere else I’ve seen. The worst, and dumbest people imaginable. So racist and SOOO uneducated. Even the teachers. The people on this site don’t care and never will.
Load More Replies...Any chance you could get back to Ireland, family and friends, live with relatives and finish school there? Sorry you were treated this way by a stink of a teacher and some kids who 'don't know no better'
Nanasays (in the article, not here in the comments section) is an ignorant asshole. So many people pontificating about what others should do when odds are good they have never experienced this. This happens all the time and people should have fewer f*****g opinions and listen more to what others are going through. This goes for issues of race and gender, as well as a ton of other things. LEARN why someone is having a hard time instead of telling them why it shouldn't be hard.
Boredpanda you wrote "16 year old woman" in the 1st paragraph. She is not a woman.
Real Americans don’t want to live in that part of America. It’s just a fact of our society. Nobody with a choice stays in toxic communities like that. The Bible Belt doesn’t have a lot of very good, intelligent, open minded and curious people. It’s filled with uneducated bigots. And it makes me sad that this girl’s introduction to America had to be in such an un-American place.
I am in the south. Not every single person is like that. Is everyone in NYC a murderer? No. There are idiots everywhere. There are sane people who are not "uneducated bigots" sprinkled everywhere, too.
Load More Replies...I think she is totally the a**hole. She has the opportunity to lay all the stupid beliefs and stereotypes to rest and educate her classmates on the rich history of her country, but is too up herself to do so. Perhaps it's because she's not really Irish ... surely a genuine Irish person would be able to spell 'leprechaun' correctly. Hell, I'm Welsh and I can spell it.
Can you spell C**T!! bullying a child who is going through one of the biggest transitions anyone can. Not a shred of empathy.
Load More Replies...I get this, but there's also an opportunity to educate people with facts they may never receive otherwise, but it would depend on how the teacher handles the session to prevent being seen as a show pony.
I wonder about all the folks saying 'its the south so they're all racists' even consider that the this girl is white from her own words. And do you same folks that jump right to racist also think that her calssmates are all white and her teacher as well? would you have spouted off your ignorance just as fast if her teacher were asian and half the class were black ?
Welcome to the USA, where Americans are taught they are the world.
Nope not taught that. We just figure it out on our own lol...
Load More Replies...I'm general, and especially at school age, American's love it when they meet somebody with a foreign accent . We do tend to be curious. As kids we'd giggle and talk about the differences in our lives , but it was not giggling at somebody. We don't have cool accents, I'm from Texas and I sound like my IQ is 10. If I went to Ireland and talked I'm sure people would have a comment. Not everything is an insult . The teacher was encouraging her to educate the class on her experience living in another country. Get over the "let's talk s**t about Americans " trend.
I live 8 years in completely different country. I still get questions as "do you have tvs / radios /internet?" yes, it was annoying me. It doesn't anymore. People here are far from perfect but they are as their society allowed them to be. To integrate. I don't and I'm pretty proud about it. It gets better. And be aware some people mock you because they're jealous - you're interesting and different. They probably also talk about you a lot in their free time, otherwise nobody would even notice you. Just don't close yourself, they will come to you in different matter when they're ready. And good friendships handles everything, you shouldn't worry about that. But yes, it's hard and it wasn't your decision. When you're adult you can decide to move back, till then take everything good from this opportunity. So you can grow greatly thanks to it. I'd proudly take everything nice about my country and present it. And maybe also not so good things, because no country / society on this world is greatest and perfect and we all need to learn a lot.
there is a pbs show called Ireland County by County... you ought to get the teacher to play some of the 30 minute shows... very interesting... usually it is the southern bible belt people that are subjected to unfair stereotypes, so this is a different situation... same objection, everybody in yankee-land or coastal california think we are all like the beverly hillbillies minus the fortune...
Affectionate bug said it all. Your classmates, and probably your teacher, would benefit from you doing the talk. Do them a favour. Oh and ignore all the people who have called you an arsehole, you are simply young person who has been uprooted on the cusp of adulthood, and you have my sympathy, born of experience.
I see it as a way to show something you're proud of. But I understand her reaction, even if I do believe it's also an exaggerated one (Monkey show? Why?). In fact and by the way, only by this specific reaction, it can trigger some other (un)justifiable reactions.
Because a lot of the time people treat you with the same "polite interest" they would be showing to a zoo animal. I know exactly how they feel. I come from a small European country and the daft questions I've been asked over the years is just mind-numbing. (Think: do you guys have hot water? Do you have electricity?) When coupled with daily bullying about you having an accent (by people who can't speak half a sentence in a foreign language) when you're treated like you're dumb because of said accent, get mocked for using a different word (kindergarten vs nursery school), you kind of lose your will to live. Which then turns into sheer rage and a sense that you can't do anything to make it stop. When I first moved abroad, I was really looking forward to showing people the amazing culture we have. Two weeks of being literally terrorized for being a foreigner made me reluctant to share anything about myself at all.
Load More Replies...It's just hard to accept how ignorant some people are, and why I should educate them. I'm not that ignorant, and I find out the facts rather than spout nonsense and expect others to correct my ignorance.
I agree that she should throw together a presentation of exactly how Ireland is a clone of familiar things in the US, make it 3 minutes long, and blow everyone's empty, regressive small town mind. She is absolutely NOT overreacting, she is establishing a reasonable boundary as a young adult. Teacher is the total Ahole here and is at best, thinking it's a genius idea (hint: it's not) and at worst, is the epitome of laziness and complete idiocy. I urge her to pack in the credits, graduate early, and escape from that redneck hellhole to a good university ASAP. Things will get better the farther away she gets.
I can sympathise with OP and I think that they are NTA. Im Aboriginal and my father was in the Defence Forces, this meant that I was the new kid in school a fair few times, often in predominantly all white areas. Twice that I remember I was dragged up front of class to talk about my culture and field questions (many stupid and offensive) from the teacher and other kids. Really the school should ask in experts like historians or, in my case, a local Elder, rather than putting a new student in the spotlight.
Or you could’ve replied “I’m a military kid. I don’t know anything about that s**t. You’ll have to google it”.
Load More Replies...Seeing as Italians , African , English and Irish make up for the broader American ethnicity I would explore Americans to actually get of their bums and learn something about the countries their relatives came from in the first place !!!
First I'm assuming you meant "implore" not explore. Knowing ones ancestry is not really all that important, my ancestors are Scott-Irish I guess. But it has no bearing on my life other than som time in the past someone in my family migrated to the US in search of a better life I assume. I am American my grandfather, American, Great grandfather also American, oh guess what Great great grandfather also american... I know the US is a young country in relation to most but my ethnicity is white american, not Irish american, not European american.
Load More Replies...I wonder if it was just too soon. It sounded like she hadn't even had a full month of in person classes. Perhaps she might've been more agreeable had they waited for her to get more acclimated. She could also just not like speaking in front of groups. I have heard it's one people's biggest fears. If it wasn't next after death, it was at least in the top five.
She's no overreacting, she's just sick to the back teeth of stupid comments.
When did asking a student to give a class presentation become equal to slavery? Damn. People talking about ‘free person’, ‘her right to do blahblahblah’..: It’s a kid in school, nobody wants to do anything the teacher wants them to do
First off....I totally get moving. As a kid I moved TOO much. Rarely had time to make/keep friends. As an adult, I have lived/visited several Countries. And now I live in a State I NEVER dreamed of living in, much less accepting it as my new home. You have to open your mind to the new experience. You're right, it is not like Ireland, but it isn't supposed to be. It is a time for you to learn from other's, you don't have to let your brain fall out of your head, but keeping an open mind will ease the hard times. Yes, the stereotypes that are perceived are sometimes ignorant, SO EDUCATE THE IGNORANT. By keeping your mouth shut and ignoring the opportunity, you help to perpetuate the problem. You don't have to "go native" but it won't hurt for you to let your self accept the situation. You only have a couple more years, (if you so choose), to experience what your new home has to offer. Don't do what TOO MANY Americans do, when visiting new places. They will stagnate rather than go shop on the economy, walk to a pub, meet new people.
I agree with the last statement here. People were trying to be friendly. She blew them off. It's a wonder that she has any friends at all. I think much of this is her being homesick for Ireland. There's no shame in that. She misses her old life and now these strangers are probing into it in a way that makes her uncomfortable. I get it.
Seems to me like she has a superiority issue. Whining about the questions you’re asked but not willing to make an effort to explain? I’m aware that it’s not her responsibility but show some initiative, sometimes you just have to get things done yourself.
You are doing better than I did when we emigrated to Australia in 1970. I thought my classmates would want to know about where I was from and I could found out about them. No chance. I was labelled a Pom, on the lowest run of the social ladder, and was constantly reminded for years. Your year might be naive and pretty thick, but at least not overtly aggressive.
Did she ever consider that the other kids thought her accent was cool, and were excited to meet someone from Ireland, and want to know all about it? We Americans are nosy, and like to know all about people when we meet them. Sorry not sorry.
There is a world of difference between "We have a new student, tell us a bit about yourself and where you're from" (perfectly acceptable and YTA if you refuse), and "New student is going to give us a presentation on where they come from and their culture and how it differs" (very much not okay, especially with no prep time and NTA for refusing to be put on the spot). I suspect the situation may have been the former, but the stress of moving and intense dislike of her new environs and loss of her friends may have been interpreted as the latter.
NTA, but I think you missed a wonderful opportunity to set things straight. I would, however, tell them in that sit down that you are very upset that your teacher didn't have the courtesy to ask if you were interested before putting you on the spot. There may have been a very personal and painful reason for leaving Ireland that the teacher was unaware of and the family preferred to keep private. It would be no different to ask an American student to lay out their life growing up in front of everyone without asking. What if the American child was with his mom, forced to leave because of a toxic abusive relationship...and you just made them bring it all up again. The teacher needs to review his/her techniques.
As someone who moved from the US to Spain as a teenager, I can understand her annoyance at all the questions and stupid remarks, stereotypes, etc. As others have said, this could be an opportunity to actually teach them something, to get to know her and not see her as some "exotic" being. I had to put up with a bit of everything: from snide remarks about being the outsider, people laughing at my accent when speaking Spanish... To people who were genuinely interested and wanted to learn more.
Its hilarious many people have making comments against this teen girl have likely never had to move countries and dealt with people constantly stereotyping you, or treating you like the other. The teacher's reaction is a pretty common case of subtle racism, where because you didn't comply to a simple request based on your own agency, they use the system to label you as "anti-social bully" (Honestly, a very old scapegoat word for "This person didn't do what I said!" since the 50s). People won't call the teacher out for being racist. They think racism only comes in the forms of loud slurs and violence. TLDR: If you ain't someone who's moved countries at a young age and was constantly given stereotypical remarks and microaggressions, you ain't in the place to tell her what's up. It ain't minorities' responsibilities to be a shining example of their race and educate everyone. It's exhausting to do everyday. If you haven't had to do it, you wouldn't know.
Well just think. Before you know it you’ll be old enough to move back to Ireland & you’ll be happy & those Southerners will tell each other stories about “that asshole Irish girl who lived here for awhile”. Sounds like a win-win for all. Besides I heard that the Irish were mostly potato-eating drunks who just want to fight everybody & I don’t know why somebody on the internet would ever lie about something like that, right?😜
Not an A but in the US the first thing I would want to do is clear up any confusion about an Irish American and American Irish. Also as someone who used to get asked to say ' A dingo ate my baby' all the time when I started on the internet, and I refused, not because of my accent being amusing to some, but the choice of wording was offensive in itself. Ireland is an incredible country, it is a mix of old and new, she should want to share that, be proud of where she comes from, and again fix up any misconceptions people have about those that are first Gen Americans vs those that haven't been on Irish soil in a century but still wave the flag (Boston is a hoot). I think she is sad and frustrated with her move which is understandable and this is piled on, but being asked to share by the teacher is not so out of character for any teacher to do, to find an actual reason to give the new kid the stage, and for all she knows the student from Mexico may have done their turn three years ago.
Get over yourself, you angsty teen or I'll bash you with my shillelagh. If the attention really made you so uncomfortable you would not have posted your story on Reddit, would you?
Questions I was asked, as an American abroad: "Are you all like The Sopranos? Are you like Sex and the City? Do you all ive in big smelly cities or in weird little towns? Do you really not speak anything but English? Do you even read books? Did you lose your virginity at thirteen? Are alll the teenagers really so mean and pregnant? Why don't you go to church? You're from a really dumb country, it's stupid, all cars and guns. Why are all Americans so fat?"..... Welcome to reality. No, your country is not the center of everyone else's world, nor are all its truths and quirks. It sucks, but if you decide it's "dumb Americans", and act snobby, you do yourself and your country no favors. After all, if you only meet one American and it's "The Ugly American", what else are you to think of America? ....
She wants the stereotypes to stop that assignment would be the perfect way to do it. She seems like a bratty stuck up teenager tbh.
Honestly, it's up to her, but I see that as an opportunity to break some stereotypes about Ireland. Do a short presentation, talk about the culture a little, and also about how the society is today. Maybe the teacher should have asked a few kids to prepare projects about different countries, so that it's not just her teaching the class.
I understand if this person doesn't want to be showcased but I would take it as a compliment that others want to know about you. I understand no one likes to be stereotyped and I understand some things you mentioned are offensive and should never be said to you. Americans aren't all terrible people who have no heart. Yes there are bad apples in every bunch but there's also wonderful people here. I think you need to make yourself more open and not get so offended.
To me, she reacts like a typical sullen teen, regardless of where she'd come from. She should embrace the task and make her country as awesome as can be (because after all it is!) and make people n her class wanting to go there. Many Americans have Irish ancestors too, and are fascinated by this country, so she should make her classmates salivate...but at 16, you tend to feel awkward and everything/everyone is against you. So not easy if you feel the teacher is pushing you instead of helping.
I love how this article talks about her getting teased for Irish stereotypes, and the first photo is a stock photo of a red headed girl, probably not even an Irish girl.
I agree, Hexenfox. It's a massive stereotype as well in my opinion.
Load More Replies...She’s probably way way way way wayyyy more aware of what non-whites go through than her classmates.
Load More Replies...As a Korean guy studied and still living in India for the better half of my life, I kinda understand her. Ignorant(often nasty) stereotype is really off putting and it'd naturally put anyone's guard up. It's actually pretty sad for both the parties here..
Finally someone who understands. I'm an Italo-Croatian in Korea since 2010 and I totally understand what she's going through. People might mean no harm, but looking different and coming from abroad lessens the general perception of you as an equal human being. As I said in a comment below, I do get the excitement, but I'm not anybody's mascot, or an exotic animal, and I can totally feel the difference when someone is genuinely curious about my culture or just asks me questions for their own vanity.
Load More Replies...Well, not an asshole, but grossly overreacting. If you want people to stop seeing you as something special and thinking you live in stone cottages with leprechauns, you need to teach them. What's the harm in telling them that you come from a perfectly normal country, with great healthcare, fast internet and all the same things as any Western country has? America has a bad school system, they don't learn this stuff, so why not tell them? Being bullied is a problem, but then refusing to stand up and explain what it's really like is just stupid.
Is she not a free person? She doesn't want to do it, plain and simple and doesn't need to justify herself to ANYONE. Her body, her choice. Her mind, her choice. She chose NO.
Load More Replies...As a "foreigner" who lived in the USA for 22 years, I can attest to the fact that there are parts of America where they literally know nothing about the outside world. Asking someone to talk about their culture would be seen as a compliment. Which is why they didn't ask the kid from Mexico. She is offended by what she thinks is mockery, when she should be offended by the appalling ignorance. Just as an aside, to deal with this, I created an entire program for my daughter's elementary school where parents who were born all around the world would come in on this one multicultural day, and the kids would have little passports and could go to visit different "countries". We would tell them fun and interesting things about our cultures. We got the kids to learn about their own cultural heritages. Everyone loved it.
That's what our teachers organized too! And they added a food component to it too. As a kid, I loved the opportunity to introduce my classmates to my country of origin and some of the amazing food we have plus trying the traditional foods brought in by other students. We were in a multicultural city though and I was never the only immigrant kid in the class, there were always 4-5 of us.
Load More Replies...The teacher should research Ireland and teach a class on it to make you feel welcome, and she can run a few things by you, not ask you to do a presentation. Any classmate that's curious can google. Americans are so absorbed in thinking their country is the best, ridiculous how little they know about other countries. With the internet nowadays you have zero excuses for not being clued up on the rest of the world.
Totally NTA an no it's not her job to teach the most basic concepts about her country. Being interested is one thing but these questions are just plain insulting. This is not about getting to know someone's culture but just showing how ignorant and full of prejudices you are. I have never been to Ireland and have no special connections there but I know all that stuff.
I think it’s the teacher’s way of trying to help you fit in. You’ve taken it the wrong way.
He could have explained that to her and asked her permission before putting her on the spot.
Load More Replies...No matter where you come from: across an ocean or over the next county line, a kid moving to any small town will have it bad. Lansing Macomber was brought to Lubec, Maine as an infant, and lived there 94 years. His gravestone reads "He was almost one of us."
Yep, you’re always “from away” even if you’ve spent more of your life in the new location than where you originally came from.
Load More Replies...It must be tough at that age to move to a different country. I understand she's having a hard time. And yes, she could be a bit more social, but I'd think give her some time to adjust. I think the teacher was asking the question from a good place, but the school is way overreacting if they want to see her parents for a chat. The teacher could just have had a private talk with the girl and ask how she's handling it so far away from home. Just to show some love and support. Being 16 is already a tough age, and add to that the fact that she's far away from friends and family...
Why not take this opportunity to educate them - how Ireland isn't that different, or backward, and how it is different and so much better. Show the cities and fast food outlets and malls. Then compare the healthcare, levels of obesity, life expectancy, gun violence, education, average uni fees and student debt.
Because they haven’t earned it. If they wanted a chance to be educated by her, they should act right.
Load More Replies...I moved from Australia to Chicago for a couple of years in the late 90s. I went to college there as a mature age student. Best question I got asked in class was "do you have electricity in Australia?" I said "yeah, but we want to use a computer, we have to sit on an exercise bike connected to the computer and peddle REALLY fast the whole time so we can have internet!" For a few seconds, they actually believed me...
I'm an American who moved to Sydney in the early 00's for a few years and trust me, I got a ton of stupid questions directed at me as well. Pretty sure it's just a universal experience thanks to stereotypes.
Load More Replies...When my family once moved from Austria to Teneriffa the other kids at my new school were very curious. They too asked me lots of questions. The little stuff they know about Austria and if this is all true or not (for example: Did you live like Heidi on the mountain?). But everyone was still kind they wanted to learn about my country. I can´t tell how the situation really is at her school now. But I understand how she might feel, all new, all alone in this new country, missing family and friends and everyone asks (stupid) questions. This may lead to her misinterpret the questions. Guess everything the kids there know about Ireland comes from films. And there they see mostly the stereotypes so you can not actually blame them. So I think she should take the chance and tell her new classmates about where she is from and how her life was there. Maybe the Mexican boy wasn´t asked because they already know about his country and his life before. Teach them, if you have the opportunity!
Most of the students who ask silly questions are usually just showing off or doing things just for laughs. Unfortunately they are not funny most of the time. People have to understand they have never had to make a move to another country either. The teacher should have done this a different way or planned it better.
I suspect the class presentation may have been the teacher's idea for a solution to the bullying; "show the class Ireland is not the simple farming community you think it is," sorta thing.
That’s true but the teacher is also supposed to be educated in child behavior. So she should at least be aware that putting the spotlight on the teen girl isn’t the solution to what she experienced.
Load More Replies...She's a kid being asked to explain her beloved culture to other kids who have been rude and condescending. Not her job. True, some kids are naturally curious, but they can be jerks with the teasing and stupid questions, but that's their communities' fault. Someone else posted that the teacher should give a lesson on Ireland first. I agree. She could have the other students do a little research on some aspects of Irish culture. Group projects even. That's her job. She then could privately ask the girl if she'd like to help with answering any questions, and accept it if the girl prefers not to. She has a lot of things to process about this big move in her life. She's far away from loving friends and family and lonely. She's a teenager, which comes with its own identity issues under the best of circumstances. I imagine she's feeling a bit overwhelmed having to explain herself to those who mock her.
I don't think she is an arsehole just for not sharing. Ultimately it's her decision, there should be no coercion when it comes to education. If she isn't comfortable then she certainly don't have to. After all surely one can always Google what it's like in Dublin, it ain't some obscure island in the middle of the Pacific for crying out loud.
I can't believe some of these comments saying it's somehow this girls responsibility to educate her peers. Ireland was brutally colonized and imperially repressed for centuries - their characteristics made into jokes and cruel stereotypes which still very much exist today. Imagine if a kid from Tanzania was asked to perform African stereotypes, made fun of for her dialect, her coily hair or skin colour? Would you still place the responsibility of education on the poor Tanzanian kid's shoulders?
They're not asking her to perform stereotypes, they're asking her questions about how is life like in a foreign country. It is commonly expected that when people are asked questions that are not intrusive, they will answer at least to a basic extent.
Load More Replies...To be honest, she is a bit of an ahole. I was put in exact the same position and took it as a brilliant opportunity to put some of the stereotypes people had of my 'country of origin' right.
Oh look, another US bashing post. I guess it has been three days since the last one. Americans are vilified for ignorance about other cultures and now vilified for when they try to learn about different cultures. Just can't win. On an aside, it sounds like she is pissed she had to move and is taking it out on those around her. She has every right not to do a presentation but I think she is assigning motives to people that just aren't there. She sounds far more close minded than the evil southerns she hates.
There's a massive difference between "Hey, you're from Ireland, would you like to introduce us to your culture?" And "Do you live in like little stone huts with like leprechauns and stuff?". If you honestly can't tell the difference between the two, the problem is with you.
Load More Replies...I was born in France and when we came to the US, I found people very curious and friendly about it. This was before the days of mass travel and internet so the curiosity was probably very real but it never caused any problems at all. That being said it was in California in the 80s. If we had gone to Alabama, for example, I would probably have had a different experience.
If American's are ignorant on other countries and their cultures they are ridiculed. If Americans ask questions to better understand a place they admit they don't know enough about they are annoying and rude. At least based on the large amount of AmericansBeStupid posts on Bored Panda...am I reading that right? Is it just me? Not all Americans are stupid, are ignorant or happy being ignorant, are rude, are racist, hate humanity. Those are just the loudest and us normal folk don't scream back, we work on bettering our selves, families and communities how we can.
This drives me mad. I hold both Russian and American citizenships and have lived all over the world. People make plenty of jokes about Americans and those ones feel pretty harmless, but they are RUTHLESS about my Russian identity. Apparently all Russians are just uneducated spies trying to violently convert every other culture into Soviet blocks. Never mind that regardless of what you believe politically, there are massive oppositions to the current political regime in which people are getting arrested. Never mind that Russian literature (which most of the people I speak to have never read) is top class, or that the operas and ballets are some of the best in the world. Never mind that Russia has modern cities with tons of green space, or a thriving scientific community, or a brilliant film culture, or gorgeous, well preserved nature. I'm not saying Russia doesn't have issues but I completely understand how she feels in constantly having to defend her identity.
Whenever I see little pieces of Russian culture, like dance for instance, it makes me so happy because Russian culture is so amazing and beautiful
Load More Replies...This young lady has been put to a very difficult situation. Had to move to a different country and to an area where I personally wouldn't ever settle. She's losing her friends and being bullied. To top that off, teacher wants to put her in spotlight to teach her classmates about Irish culture. Yes this is an opportunity to educate the classmates and yes I would take that opportunity and tell them about government, economy, education and technology. I would leave out all leprachaun thingies and bust some stereotypes. But I'm an adult and can handle this kind of situations better than a 16 year old. Hopefully her parents can support her in this situation.
Not handled very well by either side. Not wanting to be here and not liking it here plus being a teenager magnifies everything. I know some people will disagree but sometimes teasing is used affectionately and as an ice breaker. I know it's easier said than done but chill.
Im American and I would never travel to the Bible Belt. Who the f**k wants to be judged by the ignorant religious zealots that will hate you based only because they read the fictional stories of the Bible. They pick and choose which parts of the Bible to use to hate you with
I’m a “foreigner” who lived in the Bible Belt during some of my childhood. It’s so ironic that they believe in that dumb religious shît while their community is the closest thing to literal actual Hell than anywhere else I’ve seen. The worst, and dumbest people imaginable. So racist and SOOO uneducated. Even the teachers. The people on this site don’t care and never will.
Load More Replies...Any chance you could get back to Ireland, family and friends, live with relatives and finish school there? Sorry you were treated this way by a stink of a teacher and some kids who 'don't know no better'
Nanasays (in the article, not here in the comments section) is an ignorant asshole. So many people pontificating about what others should do when odds are good they have never experienced this. This happens all the time and people should have fewer f*****g opinions and listen more to what others are going through. This goes for issues of race and gender, as well as a ton of other things. LEARN why someone is having a hard time instead of telling them why it shouldn't be hard.
Boredpanda you wrote "16 year old woman" in the 1st paragraph. She is not a woman.
Real Americans don’t want to live in that part of America. It’s just a fact of our society. Nobody with a choice stays in toxic communities like that. The Bible Belt doesn’t have a lot of very good, intelligent, open minded and curious people. It’s filled with uneducated bigots. And it makes me sad that this girl’s introduction to America had to be in such an un-American place.
I am in the south. Not every single person is like that. Is everyone in NYC a murderer? No. There are idiots everywhere. There are sane people who are not "uneducated bigots" sprinkled everywhere, too.
Load More Replies...I think she is totally the a**hole. She has the opportunity to lay all the stupid beliefs and stereotypes to rest and educate her classmates on the rich history of her country, but is too up herself to do so. Perhaps it's because she's not really Irish ... surely a genuine Irish person would be able to spell 'leprechaun' correctly. Hell, I'm Welsh and I can spell it.
Can you spell C**T!! bullying a child who is going through one of the biggest transitions anyone can. Not a shred of empathy.
Load More Replies...I get this, but there's also an opportunity to educate people with facts they may never receive otherwise, but it would depend on how the teacher handles the session to prevent being seen as a show pony.
I wonder about all the folks saying 'its the south so they're all racists' even consider that the this girl is white from her own words. And do you same folks that jump right to racist also think that her calssmates are all white and her teacher as well? would you have spouted off your ignorance just as fast if her teacher were asian and half the class were black ?
Welcome to the USA, where Americans are taught they are the world.
Nope not taught that. We just figure it out on our own lol...
Load More Replies...I'm general, and especially at school age, American's love it when they meet somebody with a foreign accent . We do tend to be curious. As kids we'd giggle and talk about the differences in our lives , but it was not giggling at somebody. We don't have cool accents, I'm from Texas and I sound like my IQ is 10. If I went to Ireland and talked I'm sure people would have a comment. Not everything is an insult . The teacher was encouraging her to educate the class on her experience living in another country. Get over the "let's talk s**t about Americans " trend.
I live 8 years in completely different country. I still get questions as "do you have tvs / radios /internet?" yes, it was annoying me. It doesn't anymore. People here are far from perfect but they are as their society allowed them to be. To integrate. I don't and I'm pretty proud about it. It gets better. And be aware some people mock you because they're jealous - you're interesting and different. They probably also talk about you a lot in their free time, otherwise nobody would even notice you. Just don't close yourself, they will come to you in different matter when they're ready. And good friendships handles everything, you shouldn't worry about that. But yes, it's hard and it wasn't your decision. When you're adult you can decide to move back, till then take everything good from this opportunity. So you can grow greatly thanks to it. I'd proudly take everything nice about my country and present it. And maybe also not so good things, because no country / society on this world is greatest and perfect and we all need to learn a lot.
there is a pbs show called Ireland County by County... you ought to get the teacher to play some of the 30 minute shows... very interesting... usually it is the southern bible belt people that are subjected to unfair stereotypes, so this is a different situation... same objection, everybody in yankee-land or coastal california think we are all like the beverly hillbillies minus the fortune...
Affectionate bug said it all. Your classmates, and probably your teacher, would benefit from you doing the talk. Do them a favour. Oh and ignore all the people who have called you an arsehole, you are simply young person who has been uprooted on the cusp of adulthood, and you have my sympathy, born of experience.
I see it as a way to show something you're proud of. But I understand her reaction, even if I do believe it's also an exaggerated one (Monkey show? Why?). In fact and by the way, only by this specific reaction, it can trigger some other (un)justifiable reactions.
Because a lot of the time people treat you with the same "polite interest" they would be showing to a zoo animal. I know exactly how they feel. I come from a small European country and the daft questions I've been asked over the years is just mind-numbing. (Think: do you guys have hot water? Do you have electricity?) When coupled with daily bullying about you having an accent (by people who can't speak half a sentence in a foreign language) when you're treated like you're dumb because of said accent, get mocked for using a different word (kindergarten vs nursery school), you kind of lose your will to live. Which then turns into sheer rage and a sense that you can't do anything to make it stop. When I first moved abroad, I was really looking forward to showing people the amazing culture we have. Two weeks of being literally terrorized for being a foreigner made me reluctant to share anything about myself at all.
Load More Replies...It's just hard to accept how ignorant some people are, and why I should educate them. I'm not that ignorant, and I find out the facts rather than spout nonsense and expect others to correct my ignorance.
I agree that she should throw together a presentation of exactly how Ireland is a clone of familiar things in the US, make it 3 minutes long, and blow everyone's empty, regressive small town mind. She is absolutely NOT overreacting, she is establishing a reasonable boundary as a young adult. Teacher is the total Ahole here and is at best, thinking it's a genius idea (hint: it's not) and at worst, is the epitome of laziness and complete idiocy. I urge her to pack in the credits, graduate early, and escape from that redneck hellhole to a good university ASAP. Things will get better the farther away she gets.
I can sympathise with OP and I think that they are NTA. Im Aboriginal and my father was in the Defence Forces, this meant that I was the new kid in school a fair few times, often in predominantly all white areas. Twice that I remember I was dragged up front of class to talk about my culture and field questions (many stupid and offensive) from the teacher and other kids. Really the school should ask in experts like historians or, in my case, a local Elder, rather than putting a new student in the spotlight.
Or you could’ve replied “I’m a military kid. I don’t know anything about that s**t. You’ll have to google it”.
Load More Replies...Seeing as Italians , African , English and Irish make up for the broader American ethnicity I would explore Americans to actually get of their bums and learn something about the countries their relatives came from in the first place !!!
First I'm assuming you meant "implore" not explore. Knowing ones ancestry is not really all that important, my ancestors are Scott-Irish I guess. But it has no bearing on my life other than som time in the past someone in my family migrated to the US in search of a better life I assume. I am American my grandfather, American, Great grandfather also American, oh guess what Great great grandfather also american... I know the US is a young country in relation to most but my ethnicity is white american, not Irish american, not European american.
Load More Replies...I wonder if it was just too soon. It sounded like she hadn't even had a full month of in person classes. Perhaps she might've been more agreeable had they waited for her to get more acclimated. She could also just not like speaking in front of groups. I have heard it's one people's biggest fears. If it wasn't next after death, it was at least in the top five.
She's no overreacting, she's just sick to the back teeth of stupid comments.
When did asking a student to give a class presentation become equal to slavery? Damn. People talking about ‘free person’, ‘her right to do blahblahblah’..: It’s a kid in school, nobody wants to do anything the teacher wants them to do
First off....I totally get moving. As a kid I moved TOO much. Rarely had time to make/keep friends. As an adult, I have lived/visited several Countries. And now I live in a State I NEVER dreamed of living in, much less accepting it as my new home. You have to open your mind to the new experience. You're right, it is not like Ireland, but it isn't supposed to be. It is a time for you to learn from other's, you don't have to let your brain fall out of your head, but keeping an open mind will ease the hard times. Yes, the stereotypes that are perceived are sometimes ignorant, SO EDUCATE THE IGNORANT. By keeping your mouth shut and ignoring the opportunity, you help to perpetuate the problem. You don't have to "go native" but it won't hurt for you to let your self accept the situation. You only have a couple more years, (if you so choose), to experience what your new home has to offer. Don't do what TOO MANY Americans do, when visiting new places. They will stagnate rather than go shop on the economy, walk to a pub, meet new people.
I agree with the last statement here. People were trying to be friendly. She blew them off. It's a wonder that she has any friends at all. I think much of this is her being homesick for Ireland. There's no shame in that. She misses her old life and now these strangers are probing into it in a way that makes her uncomfortable. I get it.
Seems to me like she has a superiority issue. Whining about the questions you’re asked but not willing to make an effort to explain? I’m aware that it’s not her responsibility but show some initiative, sometimes you just have to get things done yourself.
You are doing better than I did when we emigrated to Australia in 1970. I thought my classmates would want to know about where I was from and I could found out about them. No chance. I was labelled a Pom, on the lowest run of the social ladder, and was constantly reminded for years. Your year might be naive and pretty thick, but at least not overtly aggressive.
Did she ever consider that the other kids thought her accent was cool, and were excited to meet someone from Ireland, and want to know all about it? We Americans are nosy, and like to know all about people when we meet them. Sorry not sorry.
There is a world of difference between "We have a new student, tell us a bit about yourself and where you're from" (perfectly acceptable and YTA if you refuse), and "New student is going to give us a presentation on where they come from and their culture and how it differs" (very much not okay, especially with no prep time and NTA for refusing to be put on the spot). I suspect the situation may have been the former, but the stress of moving and intense dislike of her new environs and loss of her friends may have been interpreted as the latter.
NTA, but I think you missed a wonderful opportunity to set things straight. I would, however, tell them in that sit down that you are very upset that your teacher didn't have the courtesy to ask if you were interested before putting you on the spot. There may have been a very personal and painful reason for leaving Ireland that the teacher was unaware of and the family preferred to keep private. It would be no different to ask an American student to lay out their life growing up in front of everyone without asking. What if the American child was with his mom, forced to leave because of a toxic abusive relationship...and you just made them bring it all up again. The teacher needs to review his/her techniques.
As someone who moved from the US to Spain as a teenager, I can understand her annoyance at all the questions and stupid remarks, stereotypes, etc. As others have said, this could be an opportunity to actually teach them something, to get to know her and not see her as some "exotic" being. I had to put up with a bit of everything: from snide remarks about being the outsider, people laughing at my accent when speaking Spanish... To people who were genuinely interested and wanted to learn more.
Its hilarious many people have making comments against this teen girl have likely never had to move countries and dealt with people constantly stereotyping you, or treating you like the other. The teacher's reaction is a pretty common case of subtle racism, where because you didn't comply to a simple request based on your own agency, they use the system to label you as "anti-social bully" (Honestly, a very old scapegoat word for "This person didn't do what I said!" since the 50s). People won't call the teacher out for being racist. They think racism only comes in the forms of loud slurs and violence. TLDR: If you ain't someone who's moved countries at a young age and was constantly given stereotypical remarks and microaggressions, you ain't in the place to tell her what's up. It ain't minorities' responsibilities to be a shining example of their race and educate everyone. It's exhausting to do everyday. If you haven't had to do it, you wouldn't know.
Well just think. Before you know it you’ll be old enough to move back to Ireland & you’ll be happy & those Southerners will tell each other stories about “that asshole Irish girl who lived here for awhile”. Sounds like a win-win for all. Besides I heard that the Irish were mostly potato-eating drunks who just want to fight everybody & I don’t know why somebody on the internet would ever lie about something like that, right?😜
Not an A but in the US the first thing I would want to do is clear up any confusion about an Irish American and American Irish. Also as someone who used to get asked to say ' A dingo ate my baby' all the time when I started on the internet, and I refused, not because of my accent being amusing to some, but the choice of wording was offensive in itself. Ireland is an incredible country, it is a mix of old and new, she should want to share that, be proud of where she comes from, and again fix up any misconceptions people have about those that are first Gen Americans vs those that haven't been on Irish soil in a century but still wave the flag (Boston is a hoot). I think she is sad and frustrated with her move which is understandable and this is piled on, but being asked to share by the teacher is not so out of character for any teacher to do, to find an actual reason to give the new kid the stage, and for all she knows the student from Mexico may have done their turn three years ago.
Get over yourself, you angsty teen or I'll bash you with my shillelagh. If the attention really made you so uncomfortable you would not have posted your story on Reddit, would you?
Questions I was asked, as an American abroad: "Are you all like The Sopranos? Are you like Sex and the City? Do you all ive in big smelly cities or in weird little towns? Do you really not speak anything but English? Do you even read books? Did you lose your virginity at thirteen? Are alll the teenagers really so mean and pregnant? Why don't you go to church? You're from a really dumb country, it's stupid, all cars and guns. Why are all Americans so fat?"..... Welcome to reality. No, your country is not the center of everyone else's world, nor are all its truths and quirks. It sucks, but if you decide it's "dumb Americans", and act snobby, you do yourself and your country no favors. After all, if you only meet one American and it's "The Ugly American", what else are you to think of America? ....
She wants the stereotypes to stop that assignment would be the perfect way to do it. She seems like a bratty stuck up teenager tbh.
Honestly, it's up to her, but I see that as an opportunity to break some stereotypes about Ireland. Do a short presentation, talk about the culture a little, and also about how the society is today. Maybe the teacher should have asked a few kids to prepare projects about different countries, so that it's not just her teaching the class.
I understand if this person doesn't want to be showcased but I would take it as a compliment that others want to know about you. I understand no one likes to be stereotyped and I understand some things you mentioned are offensive and should never be said to you. Americans aren't all terrible people who have no heart. Yes there are bad apples in every bunch but there's also wonderful people here. I think you need to make yourself more open and not get so offended.
To me, she reacts like a typical sullen teen, regardless of where she'd come from. She should embrace the task and make her country as awesome as can be (because after all it is!) and make people n her class wanting to go there. Many Americans have Irish ancestors too, and are fascinated by this country, so she should make her classmates salivate...but at 16, you tend to feel awkward and everything/everyone is against you. So not easy if you feel the teacher is pushing you instead of helping.
I love how this article talks about her getting teased for Irish stereotypes, and the first photo is a stock photo of a red headed girl, probably not even an Irish girl.
I agree, Hexenfox. It's a massive stereotype as well in my opinion.
Load More Replies...She’s probably way way way way wayyyy more aware of what non-whites go through than her classmates.
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