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Manager Who Worked In The Food Industry For 9 Years Explains How Coronavirus May Kill People Due To Poverty
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Manager Who Worked In The Food Industry For 9 Years Explains How Coronavirus May Kill People Due To Poverty

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The coronavirus continues to spread and more and more countries are taking stricter and stricter steps to contain it as best as possible. With the health crisis in swing, people are debating what might be helping the Covid-19 virus spread. Some of them believe that it’s less a matter of personal hygiene and more a question of wealth.

One Twitter user who spent 9 years managing a pizza place shared their opinion about how restaurant workers in the United States, as well as other food and service industry professionals, might add to the corona-crisis.

According to them, this may happen because a lot of food and service industry workers aren’t able to afford health insurance, wouldn’t be able to take sick days if they get ill, and may end up spreading the virus to others at their workplace. In other words, the Twitter user believes that poverty is the coronavirus’s greatest ally. Scroll down for Bored Panda’s interview with NomeDaBarbarian.

One Twitter user shared their opinion about how poverty might help the virus spread across the US

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The person explained that a lot of the people working in the food and service industries do not have health insurance

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Bosses expect their employees to work even after they had an accident

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Some believe that fine dining might put even more pressure on their employees

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Quite a few people working in the US service industry have it tough; some of them get penalized for resting

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Bored Panda spoke to Twitter user NomeDaBarbarian about their insights regarding the people working in the food industry and the coronavirus. The Twitter user stated upfront that they’re not a medical expert and said that it’s important to listen to them. “The most important thing to do to stay safe personally is to wash your hands thoroughly and regularly, clean electronics that you touch regularly, and do everything you can to avoid touching your face.”

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According to NomeDaBarbarian, there are several things that can be done to make sure that people working in the food and service industries have access to health insurance and can take days off if they get ill. “Unions. Labor organizing. An actual left-wing movement in this country; the core of the Democratic party is center to center-right by most world metrics. Decades of long-haul work.”

“At present, it’s not just the individuals not having protection that’s the problem, it’s the entire structure of our service industry. Every small business is ‘lean’ staffed, meaning there’s no redundancy to cover sick people,” they explained. “Even if every person who got sick had insurance they could use, the act of them collectively calling out sick would cripple those businesses. This pressure keeps people (as is evidenced by the responses to my story) from being able to call out even in countries with much stronger safety nets.”

They continued: “It is my personal read of history that the way we are organized, which is a technology, is becoming obsolete. I’m not arrogant enough to claim to know what would be a better system, but I know ours is breaking.”

The response could be better

In the Twitter user’s opinion, the US government’s response to the corona-crisis could be much better. “120 people tested in NYC, and 106 of them turned out positive? That means that most people who should be being tested aren’t. Instead of South Korea’s roadside drive-through test centers, instead of Italy’s massive and coordinated response, we’re… Well, by all accounts, doing nothing.”

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“We can’t even test all the people we know were in contact with a positive case and who currently have symptoms. My home state, Colorado, just had a woman visiting Aspen from Australia—on returning home, she tested positive. The people who were in contact with her here are developing respiratory symptoms. The CDPHE said, ‘Pitkin County health officials are working on a plan to get symptomatic people tested.’ Tests aren’t available. Precautions beyond ‘personal responsibility’ aren’t visible. Even those personal precautions aren’t being sufficiently communicated, or followed.”

Helping others stay safe

We also wanted to know what precautions NomeDaBarbarian was taking to steer clear of the coronavirus. “I normally get around by bike and mass transit; I’m cutting down on the latter and taking more time to get to work or any of the other places I need to go. Working in the restaurant industry, ironically, prepared me more for this—I already wash my hands habitually, and now I’m stepping it up. I’m avoiding touching my face or eyes. I’m working on potential plans with my crew at work should any of us get sick, as we have immunocompromised folks on-staff. If we get them sick, they die, so we’ve all got to be careful.”

“That’s the core of it, and something I need to stress—I, by and large, am already safe. I’m young, relatively healthy. Insured. It’s unlikely that I’ll personally be in any danger,” the Twitter user noted. “The work I’m doing isn’t to keep myself safe—it’s to keep myself from making others unsafe. I can survive this, but my coworker, the fifty-something-year-old former rocker who just watched his first grandkid take their first steps, can’t. His lungs are shot, and if I get him sick, he dies. That’s the core of it. Herd immunity. We’ve got to keep each other safe.”

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Health crisis and economic turmoil

The internet user’s tweets got more than 10.6k likes and were reshared a whopping 5.8k times. Their opinions about income inequality were supported by a lot of readers, some of whom thought that the situation was “terrifying.”

The virus has spread further in the US over the weekend. At the time of writing, there are more than 565 confirmed cases of people infected with the coronavirus in the country. The death toll from the illness now stands at 22. 19 of these occurred in Washington state which currently has the highest number of ill individuals.

At least 8 states have declared states of emergency, including Washington, California, Florida, Kentucky, New York, Maryland, Utah, and Oregon. And even some Congressmen, including Ted Cruz and Paul Gosar, are self-quarantining after having interacted with an individual who later tested positive for the virus.

Meanwhile, the world economy continues to take hard hits as global trade and security suffer. The S&P 500 futures slid down by 5% on Sunday evening; Dow futures fell 4.9%; Nasdaq Composite futures were down 4.8%. In other words, we’re witnessing some economic shocks that we haven’t witnessed since the last recession.

Some people shared their own experiences working in the industry

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Poverty is a complex problem

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Some bosses can fire their employees at any moment

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A lot of adults end up working jobs that some see as being meant for high school kids

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Universal paid sick leave might help alleviate the spread of the virus

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A lot of people are hard-pressed to continue working no matter what

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The coronavirus continues to spread in the US

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People shared their experiences working in the food and service industries

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Daria B
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4 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Poverty will kill Americans infected with Coronavirus, but still the loudest ones will blame the Chinese (and everyone who looks like east Asian). I hope I'll be proven wrong about this one. I really do. It's already happening in various European countries. These are difficult times. Let's not lose our minds.

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Suzi Gauthier
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Well, we keep voting in the business. They are just so smart in making their own money that we think they will clean things up. Sorry, businessmen are in business to make money, whether they are working as a politician or CEO. And their friends are all doing the same, so they help each other out. If you want more of this, vote for Trump or Biden. Biden's not a crazy, but he's owned by corporate America. It will just be more of the same.

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Biljana Malesevic
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's the same in Serbia, maybe even worse. People work with food sick and contagious, and not only they don't want to lose money and take sick days, they literally CAN'T. They are not allowed to. It's horrible. Once, I wanted to take something in bacery and the woman working there was clearly very very sick, she was barely standing. I just left, and didn't touch anything. Sounds like a coward, but I can't do anything there and I am single mom. I can't risk it. But someome will buy pastry there and get the flu and infect their whole family. It's awful! People need to have right to get sick days!

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Yugan Talovich
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Giving billionaires tax breaks is a smart move, giving farmers money for markets lost through stupid policy is a smart move, but keeping citizens healthy is socialism... I don't understand it.

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Talia Johnson
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Disgraceful, yet every time someone in Europe expresses the wish that the US too had universal healthcare, some US person says 'but your taxes' - let me tell you, our taxes are manageable, and we can go to the doctor! Are the national health systems perfect? No. But having lived in the US, the UK and France, I am grateful every day that I don't still live in the US, as much as I loved it when I lived there.

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Ripley
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Totally agree on the taxes! Here in Australia where the "average" wage is ~$75K (this varies wildly, of course), the tax that you would pay on that average wage is approximately 22%, which is pretty much the same as the G'nome chap. And as a citizen we are entitled to medical care at low to no cost. We also have compulsory worker protections so that an injury like the one suffered (second degree burns) would be covered by Workers' Compensation, and that even a casual worker would be covered and protected. Where this starts to fall down is the practice of "contracted" workers such as Uber, Foodorama, and the like who are treated as a small business sub-contractor, and are not covered by the business es insurance.

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Imitating
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Left the ER having just been diagnosed with pneumonia and bronchitis (with no medical insurance at the time) with just enough time to drive home and change into my work clothes and drive in to my opening shift at Starbucks... where I worked for about 3 hours before the shift lead felt comfortable enough with her shift to allow me to go home early. To be fair, the Starbucks culture that I had come to know would have never found that acceptable, but this particular location had some pretty terrible employees/leadership. This was also the same location that said I was required to attend an all store "mandatory" meeting two days after being discharged from the hospital after having a major invasive surgery on my hip... only after the meeting did the district manager approach me and say I didn’t have to come - and I think that only was after seeing the horrified faces on some of my coworkers at how they could have required me to be there.

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Uncommon Boston
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4 years ago (edited)

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I assume you are young and relatively healthly. If you are able to have a physically demanding job like working at Starbucks, I doubt you have any serious medical problems -- these are wild guesses. So statistically you are less likely to catch this. Does knowing that comfort you? i am not sure why people find comfort in that statement. Pneumonia can be deadly, regardless of the source.

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Leo Domitrix
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

And these sick people will handle food that will be eaten, and the virus will spread much faster all b/c McD's and similar can't bloody well treat employees as human beings. When you b***h about union dues? Well, this is what unions were trying to stop happening...

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Bill
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Before we do Medicare for all how do we get rid of the obscene profits in pharma and huge bonuses in Healthcare? Those are the first issues to tackle.

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Suzi Gauthier
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Vote for politicians who are willing to rein in big pharma, etc. Vote in politicians who are willing to tax corporations, who benefit from healthy employees. Besides, if you give $1 million to a billionaire, it's going to be stashed overseas or pay bonuses to the bigwigs. If you give $1 to a million average people, that money is going right back into the economy. Corporate America is literally killing the goose that laid the golden egg by underpaying & mistreating & laying off workers to make their numbers look good when the the bigwigs are ready to retire & need the stock price up when the sell. The less money people make, the less they buy, the more people who are laid off due to low sales, the less money people make. It's a vicious circle. And we wonder why the middle class corporations go out of business. But individual CEOs are stilling making plenty, so they just don't care. They've got their, so who cares about the future of the company.

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We'llSee
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Its the same in retail too, 20 plus years and still can't take off or miss a day, biggest retailer in the US still sucks! Something has to change, everyone deserves a few common sense policies. It's out of control, getting medical care and needed medications SHOULD be for EVERYONE!

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Bob Beltcher
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Can attest to this 100%. Back when I delivered pizza (most drivers also answer phones and make orders) I was very I'll one time for over a week and didn't miss a day. On one occasion I threw up during my shift. I was lucky because I felt it coming and I was cutting pizza at the moment. Right next to me was a trash can so I made it in there. Once done, I tied up the bag, replaced it, and went back to work. When I had a free moment I took the bag to the dumpster but I never missed a beat on the oven.

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Bob Beltcher
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Oh, and not once did my manager ask me if I needed to go home. One of the younger cashiers told me I should and my response to her was "Are you going to pay my bills?" I was 19 at the time and already understood.

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Luisa Vasconcelos
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

1)With so many different health systems the world have, why not copy one of them and apply ? I mean, you don't have to invent them anymore. 2) how can this be a dream (American dream) if you can't afford go to a Dr if you got hurt ? A medical bill can make you homeless. That's just terrible.

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Uncommon Boston
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4 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Many conservatives do not believe COVID-19 is real. Like climate change it is fake news. They have convinced their constituents to vote to be excluded from things like the Affordable Care Act to save money on their taxes. (A lie.) Social programs have been cut to the bone. Insurance companies will make fortune. People will die. And the democrats will be blamed. Massachusetts has one of the highest minimum wages, offers excellent health care to all residents, has high taxes and a healthy economy. Our legislators are looking ahead, how to fix some of the potential problem. This is real, not fake science. There are problems that must be addressed now.

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dev mehta
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

COVID-19 is very much real.Just don't get all freaked out.Panic has already spooked Dow Jones to its many year low which means your retirement funds has lost a lot of money

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bryguy
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is so sad. Charging struggling families just to see a doctor which should be a human right. United states will most likely have some of the highest death rates from this virus in the near future due to so many not being able to seek treatment. Profits above all else it seems.

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El Dee
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm in Scotland with free prescriptions, free healthcare and universal sick pay from day one. We are worried about Covid here but it looks like there's nothing can stop it in the US if people won't be able to take time off. Maybe THIS will be the tipping point that makes the US act like a first world country..

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Nicola Roberts
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

In the UK it's marginally better. There is statutory sick pay (SSP) but this £94.25 per week. In a normal situation there is a three day waiting period so if you were off for 10 days you would get 1 x week + 2 days = £131.95. This just stops you from starving. It doesn't pay the rent or household costs. I've seen calls for payments to the self employed but it doesn't make sense because it's the employer that pays SSP there is no government subsidy so if you're shouting about getting sick pay it's down to you. I think this is a very dark footnote in history.

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Viv Hart
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

THIS IS A CRIME AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE! Here in South Africa, our President has just declared a state of Disaster, and in a speech to the Nation, has told us what plans the Govt will be rolling out to combat the virus. All fast food outlets in the States should be closed by law, as people should avoid close contact with others, until the emergency is over. You should have sick leave, for all.

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Tina Hugh
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Well, on the bright side, executives at Wells Fargo, HSBC, and PG&E who, respectively, defrauded a million customers, laundered money for terrorists and caused an explosion that killed 8 people, are safe and cosy. They make around $30,000,000 a year on average. PG&E diverted $100,000,000 designated for safety issues and paid it to themselves. No one went to prison. I love my country, but we have room for improvement.

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Caroline Driver
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4 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Quote from A Christmas Carol "Those who are badly off must go there." "Many can't go there; and many would rather die." "If they would rather die," said Scrooge, "they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population." I imagine Trump would agree with this. Greatest country in the world, more like a developing country with delusions of grandeur

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George Digamma
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Aside the, as i have read many times, healthcare problem in States, people are locked in their homes and do not visit restaurants etc. Some order, many not. The food industry itself is going to have a serious blow. Another side effect connected to corona virus and food industry which will lead people to poverty. Italy decided a 10 billion euro aid for the branches of economy as such, that will be hit the most. I hope all your politicians and mechanisms, are prepared for it.

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Katinka Min
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4 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What the author describes is terrible. But I'm not sure that it is poverty that will spread Corona. I am currently Corona positive and I have virtually no symptoms. My neighbur, who I caught it from, is as sick as a horse and has been for over a week. I walked around, went to functions etc for 9 days until she found out she had Corona and then another day before I got my test results (whcih came as surprise. i gave her exactly one hug. One) . God knwos how many people I have infected in that time - I wasn't feeling sick! So there is a good chance that many of the workign poor might be ok. And no matter how wealthy you are: There is no cure. Sure, if you get serious lung isssues, you are doomed if you have no insurance. But all in all you are either lucky or not -regardless of your wealth. I believe we'll get it, eventually, and I am just very lucky.

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Ripley
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think you've missed the point of the article. It's not that it might make people sick, it's that people will catch COVID-19 and STILL GO TO WORK because if they don't THEY WILL STARVE. Or get kicked out of their apartment. And lose their job as well. So they go to work, and they pass it onto a nice family who is out celebrating Nanna's birthday. Because Nanna is elderly, she dies. Imagine this a million times. This is what happens when the "working poor" have to work when they are sick. They make other people sick and some of those other people might die. The US needs worker protections so that they don't lose their only income if they have caught a contagious disease.

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dev mehta
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4 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Handy tip for getting more thumbs up >>Blindly go with flow. Don't dare make a counterargument.

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dev mehta
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4 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The sky is falling! The sky is falling !! To get in the mood, YouTube 'Adele skyfall'

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KT Trondsen
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I dont get why americans put up with that garbage. Get bloody healthcare like Canada already, strike in the streets, raise hell do what you need to do

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Derwith Kennedy
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I live in Canada and 100% can not afford to self quarantine for 2 weeks. If I get Covid-19 my a*s is going to work anyway.

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Mugen
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Around 100.000 people who got sick world wide. Around 60.000 people recovered. Some hundreds death (mostly in China). Wished Covid19 would be as deathly as they reckon. But it's just a hype. Be prepared for the magic "vaccine" which will more dangerous for mankind than this disease.

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Demi Zwaan
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Only the US is surprised by this and yet the majority still won't vote for someone who wants healthcare for everyone. You reap what you sow.

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Nikhil Pasekar
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

applies to only Americans .. please continue making America "Great" "again".

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Nikhil Pasekar
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

only applies to Americans ... thankfully healthcare is free in my country for poor people especially for COVID-19

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Chase Berwick
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Please tell me that this is the end of the world It’s time that we erased history Without a trace or a memory

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Ben Smith
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4 years ago

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How many people have died from the flu this year? And every year? People are beyond overreacting to this. The lines at Costco are just silly

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Uncommon Boston
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4 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Ben, please dont talk to people. You are dead wrong. Keep up to date, read articles posted on Reuters for the facts. Like climate change, this is real science. Pretending this isn't real will kill people. Yes, statistically mostly older people with other health issues are dieing, but people in other categories are also drying. Do you want to be one of the few in your age group? This illness is much worse than the flu. It spreads more easily and kill many more, 1% flu vs 3.4% COVID19. The symptoms are nasty. People should not go to work if ill, but imagine if half the people in your office are too sick? Productivity will plummet. I am not a doctor or scientist. Reuters is not influenced by conservative Americans. It is far more accurate and the information is gathered around the world. It is a respected source. CDC is another good source. Uninformed people who think they are experts are dangerous. Do you believe in vaccines? Is the earth flat?

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dev mehta
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4 years ago

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In related news.... https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm

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Daria B
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4 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Poverty will kill Americans infected with Coronavirus, but still the loudest ones will blame the Chinese (and everyone who looks like east Asian). I hope I'll be proven wrong about this one. I really do. It's already happening in various European countries. These are difficult times. Let's not lose our minds.

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Suzi Gauthier
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Well, we keep voting in the business. They are just so smart in making their own money that we think they will clean things up. Sorry, businessmen are in business to make money, whether they are working as a politician or CEO. And their friends are all doing the same, so they help each other out. If you want more of this, vote for Trump or Biden. Biden's not a crazy, but he's owned by corporate America. It will just be more of the same.

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Biljana Malesevic
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's the same in Serbia, maybe even worse. People work with food sick and contagious, and not only they don't want to lose money and take sick days, they literally CAN'T. They are not allowed to. It's horrible. Once, I wanted to take something in bacery and the woman working there was clearly very very sick, she was barely standing. I just left, and didn't touch anything. Sounds like a coward, but I can't do anything there and I am single mom. I can't risk it. But someome will buy pastry there and get the flu and infect their whole family. It's awful! People need to have right to get sick days!

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Yugan Talovich
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Giving billionaires tax breaks is a smart move, giving farmers money for markets lost through stupid policy is a smart move, but keeping citizens healthy is socialism... I don't understand it.

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Talia Johnson
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Disgraceful, yet every time someone in Europe expresses the wish that the US too had universal healthcare, some US person says 'but your taxes' - let me tell you, our taxes are manageable, and we can go to the doctor! Are the national health systems perfect? No. But having lived in the US, the UK and France, I am grateful every day that I don't still live in the US, as much as I loved it when I lived there.

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Ripley
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Totally agree on the taxes! Here in Australia where the "average" wage is ~$75K (this varies wildly, of course), the tax that you would pay on that average wage is approximately 22%, which is pretty much the same as the G'nome chap. And as a citizen we are entitled to medical care at low to no cost. We also have compulsory worker protections so that an injury like the one suffered (second degree burns) would be covered by Workers' Compensation, and that even a casual worker would be covered and protected. Where this starts to fall down is the practice of "contracted" workers such as Uber, Foodorama, and the like who are treated as a small business sub-contractor, and are not covered by the business es insurance.

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Imitating
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Left the ER having just been diagnosed with pneumonia and bronchitis (with no medical insurance at the time) with just enough time to drive home and change into my work clothes and drive in to my opening shift at Starbucks... where I worked for about 3 hours before the shift lead felt comfortable enough with her shift to allow me to go home early. To be fair, the Starbucks culture that I had come to know would have never found that acceptable, but this particular location had some pretty terrible employees/leadership. This was also the same location that said I was required to attend an all store "mandatory" meeting two days after being discharged from the hospital after having a major invasive surgery on my hip... only after the meeting did the district manager approach me and say I didn’t have to come - and I think that only was after seeing the horrified faces on some of my coworkers at how they could have required me to be there.

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I assume you are young and relatively healthly. If you are able to have a physically demanding job like working at Starbucks, I doubt you have any serious medical problems -- these are wild guesses. So statistically you are less likely to catch this. Does knowing that comfort you? i am not sure why people find comfort in that statement. Pneumonia can be deadly, regardless of the source.

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Leo Domitrix
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

And these sick people will handle food that will be eaten, and the virus will spread much faster all b/c McD's and similar can't bloody well treat employees as human beings. When you b***h about union dues? Well, this is what unions were trying to stop happening...

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Bill
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Before we do Medicare for all how do we get rid of the obscene profits in pharma and huge bonuses in Healthcare? Those are the first issues to tackle.

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Suzi Gauthier
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Vote for politicians who are willing to rein in big pharma, etc. Vote in politicians who are willing to tax corporations, who benefit from healthy employees. Besides, if you give $1 million to a billionaire, it's going to be stashed overseas or pay bonuses to the bigwigs. If you give $1 to a million average people, that money is going right back into the economy. Corporate America is literally killing the goose that laid the golden egg by underpaying & mistreating & laying off workers to make their numbers look good when the the bigwigs are ready to retire & need the stock price up when the sell. The less money people make, the less they buy, the more people who are laid off due to low sales, the less money people make. It's a vicious circle. And we wonder why the middle class corporations go out of business. But individual CEOs are stilling making plenty, so they just don't care. They've got their, so who cares about the future of the company.

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We'llSee
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Its the same in retail too, 20 plus years and still can't take off or miss a day, biggest retailer in the US still sucks! Something has to change, everyone deserves a few common sense policies. It's out of control, getting medical care and needed medications SHOULD be for EVERYONE!

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Bob Beltcher
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Can attest to this 100%. Back when I delivered pizza (most drivers also answer phones and make orders) I was very I'll one time for over a week and didn't miss a day. On one occasion I threw up during my shift. I was lucky because I felt it coming and I was cutting pizza at the moment. Right next to me was a trash can so I made it in there. Once done, I tied up the bag, replaced it, and went back to work. When I had a free moment I took the bag to the dumpster but I never missed a beat on the oven.

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Bob Beltcher
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Oh, and not once did my manager ask me if I needed to go home. One of the younger cashiers told me I should and my response to her was "Are you going to pay my bills?" I was 19 at the time and already understood.

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Luisa Vasconcelos
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

1)With so many different health systems the world have, why not copy one of them and apply ? I mean, you don't have to invent them anymore. 2) how can this be a dream (American dream) if you can't afford go to a Dr if you got hurt ? A medical bill can make you homeless. That's just terrible.

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Uncommon Boston
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4 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Many conservatives do not believe COVID-19 is real. Like climate change it is fake news. They have convinced their constituents to vote to be excluded from things like the Affordable Care Act to save money on their taxes. (A lie.) Social programs have been cut to the bone. Insurance companies will make fortune. People will die. And the democrats will be blamed. Massachusetts has one of the highest minimum wages, offers excellent health care to all residents, has high taxes and a healthy economy. Our legislators are looking ahead, how to fix some of the potential problem. This is real, not fake science. There are problems that must be addressed now.

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dev mehta
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

COVID-19 is very much real.Just don't get all freaked out.Panic has already spooked Dow Jones to its many year low which means your retirement funds has lost a lot of money

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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is so sad. Charging struggling families just to see a doctor which should be a human right. United states will most likely have some of the highest death rates from this virus in the near future due to so many not being able to seek treatment. Profits above all else it seems.

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El Dee
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm in Scotland with free prescriptions, free healthcare and universal sick pay from day one. We are worried about Covid here but it looks like there's nothing can stop it in the US if people won't be able to take time off. Maybe THIS will be the tipping point that makes the US act like a first world country..

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Nicola Roberts
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

In the UK it's marginally better. There is statutory sick pay (SSP) but this £94.25 per week. In a normal situation there is a three day waiting period so if you were off for 10 days you would get 1 x week + 2 days = £131.95. This just stops you from starving. It doesn't pay the rent or household costs. I've seen calls for payments to the self employed but it doesn't make sense because it's the employer that pays SSP there is no government subsidy so if you're shouting about getting sick pay it's down to you. I think this is a very dark footnote in history.

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Viv Hart
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

THIS IS A CRIME AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE! Here in South Africa, our President has just declared a state of Disaster, and in a speech to the Nation, has told us what plans the Govt will be rolling out to combat the virus. All fast food outlets in the States should be closed by law, as people should avoid close contact with others, until the emergency is over. You should have sick leave, for all.

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Tina Hugh
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Well, on the bright side, executives at Wells Fargo, HSBC, and PG&E who, respectively, defrauded a million customers, laundered money for terrorists and caused an explosion that killed 8 people, are safe and cosy. They make around $30,000,000 a year on average. PG&E diverted $100,000,000 designated for safety issues and paid it to themselves. No one went to prison. I love my country, but we have room for improvement.

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Caroline Driver
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4 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Quote from A Christmas Carol "Those who are badly off must go there." "Many can't go there; and many would rather die." "If they would rather die," said Scrooge, "they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population." I imagine Trump would agree with this. Greatest country in the world, more like a developing country with delusions of grandeur

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George Digamma
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Aside the, as i have read many times, healthcare problem in States, people are locked in their homes and do not visit restaurants etc. Some order, many not. The food industry itself is going to have a serious blow. Another side effect connected to corona virus and food industry which will lead people to poverty. Italy decided a 10 billion euro aid for the branches of economy as such, that will be hit the most. I hope all your politicians and mechanisms, are prepared for it.

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Katinka Min
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4 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What the author describes is terrible. But I'm not sure that it is poverty that will spread Corona. I am currently Corona positive and I have virtually no symptoms. My neighbur, who I caught it from, is as sick as a horse and has been for over a week. I walked around, went to functions etc for 9 days until she found out she had Corona and then another day before I got my test results (whcih came as surprise. i gave her exactly one hug. One) . God knwos how many people I have infected in that time - I wasn't feeling sick! So there is a good chance that many of the workign poor might be ok. And no matter how wealthy you are: There is no cure. Sure, if you get serious lung isssues, you are doomed if you have no insurance. But all in all you are either lucky or not -regardless of your wealth. I believe we'll get it, eventually, and I am just very lucky.

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Ripley
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think you've missed the point of the article. It's not that it might make people sick, it's that people will catch COVID-19 and STILL GO TO WORK because if they don't THEY WILL STARVE. Or get kicked out of their apartment. And lose their job as well. So they go to work, and they pass it onto a nice family who is out celebrating Nanna's birthday. Because Nanna is elderly, she dies. Imagine this a million times. This is what happens when the "working poor" have to work when they are sick. They make other people sick and some of those other people might die. The US needs worker protections so that they don't lose their only income if they have caught a contagious disease.

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dev mehta
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4 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Handy tip for getting more thumbs up >>Blindly go with flow. Don't dare make a counterargument.

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dev mehta
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4 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The sky is falling! The sky is falling !! To get in the mood, YouTube 'Adele skyfall'

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KT Trondsen
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I dont get why americans put up with that garbage. Get bloody healthcare like Canada already, strike in the streets, raise hell do what you need to do

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Derwith Kennedy
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I live in Canada and 100% can not afford to self quarantine for 2 weeks. If I get Covid-19 my a*s is going to work anyway.

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Mugen
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Around 100.000 people who got sick world wide. Around 60.000 people recovered. Some hundreds death (mostly in China). Wished Covid19 would be as deathly as they reckon. But it's just a hype. Be prepared for the magic "vaccine" which will more dangerous for mankind than this disease.

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Demi Zwaan
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Only the US is surprised by this and yet the majority still won't vote for someone who wants healthcare for everyone. You reap what you sow.

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Nikhil Pasekar
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

applies to only Americans .. please continue making America "Great" "again".

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Nikhil Pasekar
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

only applies to Americans ... thankfully healthcare is free in my country for poor people especially for COVID-19

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Chase Berwick
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Please tell me that this is the end of the world It’s time that we erased history Without a trace or a memory

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How many people have died from the flu this year? And every year? People are beyond overreacting to this. The lines at Costco are just silly

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Uncommon Boston
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4 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Ben, please dont talk to people. You are dead wrong. Keep up to date, read articles posted on Reuters for the facts. Like climate change, this is real science. Pretending this isn't real will kill people. Yes, statistically mostly older people with other health issues are dieing, but people in other categories are also drying. Do you want to be one of the few in your age group? This illness is much worse than the flu. It spreads more easily and kill many more, 1% flu vs 3.4% COVID19. The symptoms are nasty. People should not go to work if ill, but imagine if half the people in your office are too sick? Productivity will plummet. I am not a doctor or scientist. Reuters is not influenced by conservative Americans. It is far more accurate and the information is gathered around the world. It is a respected source. CDC is another good source. Uninformed people who think they are experts are dangerous. Do you believe in vaccines? Is the earth flat?

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In related news.... https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm

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