Boxer Who Refused To Fight Imane Khelif Speaks Out On Harassment That “Destroyed” Her Career

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Ellinor, how can you be so certain of the biological s*x? They failed several chromosome tests and now refuses to take a new one, so how can you be sure they are a woman?

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It has nothing to do with not looking feminine, and the fact that he has lost to a woman (in 2022, I believe, when he fought two weight divisions lower and lost to a vastly more experienced fighter) is irrelevant. He's already failed séx testing which, despite any controversy surrounding the then ruling body, was carried out by two independent laboratories, so the testing itself was sound. The only reason he was allowed to fight in the last two Olympics was because the IOC didn't require séx testing, merely a passport. As for 'giving a middle finger' - do you really think that he is suing World Boxing in an attempt to be allowed to dodge the test that every other boxer has to submit to just in order to make a point to his critics? A 'middle finger' would be taking the test and showing the results to the world. He's just trying to avoid the shame of being shown to be a liar, a cheat, and a woman beater.

Imane Khelif was assigned at birth a female, and grew up a girl. A woman. Even if the tests show Imane has male characteristics, and even if she is shown to be ineligible to compete in women's boxing, Imane was born and raised female and is a woman. Continually calling her a man and consistently misgendering her is just pathetic.

For once you are correct. Female/girl/woman.

Imane has 9 losses on her record.

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So what? Losing to older and more experienced fighters is normal early in a boxer's career, especially before the boxer in question has physically fully matured and developed his adult muscle mass and skeletal frame. You clearly know less about boxing than you do about human physiology.

And yet you did sum up 'her' boxing career as just being a woman beater with utter disregard to the effort she put into boxing or actual intent. A reminder, all female boxers are women beaters. It's really more a sport-wide thing. However, I pose a different question. If boxing is divided up into weight classes, where the extra weight is seen to be attributed as a measure of how much muscle the boxer has, would the biological s*x of the boxer even matter that much? It's not baseball where you're automatically against the most fit players. You're pit against players *of similar muscle build*. Fighting is one of the few sports where biological s*x really wouldn't have the massive impact it would have in other sports.

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You obviously know nothing about boxing, or about the natural strength variation between men and women of equal build. All else being equal - height, weight, training regime, etc. - a male's punch is on average 160% more powerful than that of a woman's, which means that the male is punching 2.6 times harder. That's a huge difference. In a contest between a man and a woman of equal weight, if the woman can land punches with a force of 100lbs/sq.ft. then the man will be hitting her back at up to 260lbs/sq.ft.. Add to that the fact that both muscle and bone is denser and stronger in a man than that of a woman, and that men have on average larger and wider hands than women (even when they are the same height) enabling punches to inflict damage over a wider area, and it becomes obvious why men should not be in the ring with women. Think about this: imagine a game of dodgeball where you can throw only tennis balls but your opponent is throwing baseballs. Would you consider that a fair contest? Or a nail-driving contest where you use a standard claw hammer to drive your nail into the wood but your opponent has a lump hammer 2.5 times heavier. Fair contest?

Don't come at me with the specific punch force numbers like you knew that off the top of your head or that it's common boxing knowledge. "You obviously don't know anything about boxing, so here lemme give you these stats I pulled from google.". At any rate. muscle density wouldn't change your weight class. If your muscle is, just for a random number, twice as dense as another participant, you'd just have half the volume of muscle. The material weight doesn't change with density. Bone density is more concerning, but would hardly impact the force of punches given, nor would it impact the fighter's endurance, since the goal is not to break bones when boxing. More importantly, though, you're also not factoring in the fact that she has DSD. She *does not have testicles* and her body would not have produced the testosterone needed during puberty to gain the benefits of being male. DSD isn't some made up condition, it's an actual medical thing.

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I've known about the imbalance in punching strength, muscle and bone for a lot longer than Khelif has been alive, and the reason I explained it is because you asked if biological séx matters in boxing. Why bother asking the question just to complain when I give you an informed answer? Did it not help you to understand why boxing is segregated by weight *and* by séx? Please tell me you're not one of those people who reject information that goes against what they want to be true. As for Khelif having a DSD, while it's possible he has one (that much is unconfirmed) it wouldn't necessarily mean he has no testicles. In most cases, boys with DSDs do have testicles that do not descend into the s*****m until puberty (although on rare occasions they remain within the body). But the boys do go through puberty and produce normal levels of testosterone.

Averages and strength variations. How does that apply to Imane? Do you know her punching force?

Anthony asked whether biological séx mattered in boxing when fighters are matched by weight. I explained that biological séx matters because, all else being equal then pound-for-pound a man has a far greater punching force than does a woman. This is why boxing is segregated by séx and by weight and has been for as long as women have been competing in the sport. That part of my comment had nothing to do with Khelif because the question I was answering had nothing to do with Khelif and everything to do with the reason for séx segregation in boxing. Is that clear enough for you?

It is very clear the question stems from your claims about Khelif so has everything to do with her.

No, it doesn't. The question was 'does biological séx really matter in boxing?' That was the question I answered.

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What did I get wrong? He was ruled ineligible to compete in the women"s division at the IBA world championships. That was prior to the Olympics where there were questions about his inclusion from the start because of his disqualification from the world championships.

She failed a secret test that the IBA won't disclose. But yeah trust them, it is totally legit. https://www.iba.sport/news/statement-made-by-the-international-boxing-association-regarding-athletes-disqualifications-in-world-boxing-championships-2023/

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Nice try, but it wasn't a 'secret' test, it was a test that contains confidential information in the results. The IBA could only state whether a person passed or failed. But the IBA president did allegedly disclose the details. See my response to you further up this thread. But to save you looking, he said that Khelif's DNA test showed XY chromosomes and a separate test revealed high testosterone levels. Khelif initially appealed the suspension but withdrew during the appeal process. That, in combination with his refusal to submit to the mandatory one-time test mandated by World Boxing, even though it means that Khelif will not be allowed to compete again is rather telling for somebody who claims to be a natal female. Why destroy one's own career for the sake of a simple cheek swab that no other female boxer has had a problem with doing, unless one has something to hide?

UK Grandad, is a liar. Like most bigots they can't back up their hate. you keep making s**t up that didn't happen rather than admit they are wrong. Are you really stupid enough to believe the IBA could prove the XY chromosome present and the IOC ignored it. You are the most useful of idiots. I hope you aren't allowed around your grand children. One could be trans and you would be a danger to them.

As I've said elsewhere, the IOC only required a competitor to have 'female' in their passport to be allowed to enter the women's competition. That was their only criteria and the IOC president said so repeatedly at press conferences. The information about the XY chromosomes came from the link to GLAAD that YOU posted because you thought it backed you up. The stuff about Khelif dropping the appeal is on his own Wiki page. His refusal to submit to WB's séx testing policy is common knowledge, as is his taking WB to court to try to force them to allow him to compete without having to take the test. So, if I'm lying then the IOC president, GLAAD, Wikipedia and Khelif must all be lying, because that's where the information came from. And the personal insults - they not only weaken your argument, they cheapen you as a person. There is no need to bring my family into this: that's despicable behaviour and you should be ashamed of yourself.