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30 Women Open Up About Dating After Learning Of “Red Pill Men” In The Wild
Who doesn’t love talking to a guy whose regard of womankind is slightly lower than that of stray dogs? They’re always sneaky, too, right? They won’t open up about their godawful views until you’ve sat down, had a drink or two, and have let your guard down.
When they’re nice and cozy, like the abhorrent parasitic tick, they show their true colors and just whale on you with the worst views ever known to humanity. Let’s look at some experiences that women have had with these “red-pilled” gentlemen.
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Ex-lady, so take my input with a grain of salt as I am read as a man 100% of the time. But one thing I noticed after transitioning is that the type of men who would give me the heebie jeebies as a woman turned out to be WORSE than I could have imagined. When in the presence of other men they tend to say what they really think, and their hatred of women shapes basically their entire worldview. If you get that gut feeling a guy is a misogynist, chances are you aren't just right, but that he's even more of a terrible person than he's letting on.
Your unique perspective is so vital to helping men understand this and call each other out.
Absolutely. To rephrase your question: "Ladies, has the increased chance of encountering men who do not see you as a person affected your attraction to men?" Yes. Yes, it has. I like being a person, and being treated like one is the minimum for any interaction. The bar for romance for me is way higher than that (as it should be).
Honestly, I think straight women like me are the absolute proof you cannot choose your sexual orientation. I'd date women in a heartbeat if I had the tiniest romantic feeling for them. Men can be really f*****g scary.
Totally agree. As a midwife have seen 1000's of naked women... i'm straight. Not one had turn me on... and yet men had scared me...
I gotta say, I don't lose all hope for men when I see a post where a woman talks about her s****y experiences with men or male partners.
But I **DO** start losing hope and respect for men when I see what they comment on those kinds of posts
To get some insight from someone with a unique perspective into this topic, we reached out to Hannah McKnight, a returning interview guest of Bored Panda! Hannah has significant experience presenting as male and female, so she has witnessed how men behave behind closed doors.
She has a mission - to talk about balancing life between genders, trans activism, social awareness, and everything that entails. If you’d like to find out more about her, make sure to visit her website!
Early in my current relationship I noticed a used tear gas canister on my partners shelf. Thought it was a little reg flaggy. Asked about it, during a George Floyd protest it was thrown near him (he’s a corn-fed midwestern white boy), grabbed it diffused it in a fountain and put it his backpack. At the end of the story he said something like ‘some people hang bucks/fish, I keep social justice trophies’. In grad school he testified against two male students in his program that were found to have harassed (19) and assault (3) women. There are good men out there that are true genuine allies that support women and POC. Hope red pillers choke on it
All these guys out here think they're badass, but that's actually the most BA thing I've ever read. Excellent social justice work!
I'm married so it doesn't have much impact on me personally in my daily life. However, if anything were to happen to my husband, I'd be single and celibate for the rest of my days on this planet.
I've noticed, aside from redpill stuff, that society has become harder for EVERYONE to live in, but they act like it's only them.
It's more expensive, people are working so much harder for less. Lonelyness is off the charts for EVERYONE. But they see that more women have community and support. They see women only shelters and suicide rates for men and think "Hmph!! Why do THEY get extra help?!" What they fail to see is women get these things because of other women. WE built these spaces, we volunteer, we go out of our way for others because of compassion and empathy.
Men are the ones who see what we have and then want it too. I see so many men talk about having a girlfriend as if it will actually solve any of their problems, but it's all selfish. "I'll have some to love ME and raise my sense of self worth! To hug, to cuddle, to f**k, to cook and clean" providing for us is all they need to do, right? Wrong. We are also working people who have our own wants, needs, and aspirations. They come into relationships, incompetant about the give and take required. They want maid mommys.
What they need is to do away with the toxic masculinity bs so many of them say they're oppressed by, work on their empathy, and make their own friends and community and stop trying to leech it from or destroy it for women. Litterally, just do better, be better. Actually put effort in, cause growth doesn't just fall onto your lap
All of this. I still abide by the idea that "women are NOT responsible for fixing broken men." Sort your s**t out first before getting even remotely close to a women.
Hannah begins by talking a little about gender identity and her own identity in relation: “I'm a transgender girl. Identifying as transgender, in my opinion, is very inclusive and can cover quite a few different, albeit nuanced, gender identities. Being transgender doesn't necessarily mean transitioning, taking hormones, or legally changing one's name. If I need to get more specific about my gender, I identify as bi-gender. What this means to me is that I don't feel the need to, ah, commit to one gender identity or to one gender presentation. Sometimes I am wearing a necktie and use he/him pronouns, other days I am strutting around a bookstore in a cute dress.”
“Of course, gender is a social construct and gender isn't binary, but that is a topic for another time."
I am more fearful of men in general now. I’ve become more aware of how men see us, in a way I never was before. A lot of them seem to hate us. When your read the words they use to describe women, it’s like we aren’t even human to them.
There's so much animosity and ego out there, in this regard and just in general. I think ego is the root cause of so many of society's ills, and I truly believe if everyone had one or two (preferably guided) powerful psychedelic experiences (mushrooms, dmt, etc), it would massively reduce the amount of hate and violence in this world.
I honestly think it’s made me a lot more aware of early warning signs in a guy.
Not too long ago I was casually dating this guy, he was very clean cut and put together on the surface, we got on well and the sex was okay but I didn’t mind because I figured it’d get better in time with communication.
We stopped talking because I very nicely said I did like sleeping with him but if he could do more foreplay during sex it’d be great. He became a bit standoffish. Then started giving me the silent treatment but made it very obvious he was ignoring me and I was more turned off by how immature it came off across.
Turns out he was a huge tater tot, followed a bunch of instagram accounts that posted his videos. One of the vids he saw was another red pill dude who very clearly had daddy issues say “If you give your girl the silent treatment, she’ll be so desperate for attention she’ll be reaching out to you”.
He got PISSED that I didn’t do this and deleted me off everything lol.
So yah, I’m lucky I have some genuinely amazing men in my life but it’s really made me more aware of subtle stuff.
I think, more generally, the internet has affected my attraction to men.
Men seem to think everyone on the internet is a man, so they feel comfy saying all that misogynist s**t that apparently most of them believe very openly. The internet made 'locker room talk' public and I've been judging men for it since then.
And a surprising number of women apparently also think ‘it’s just locker room talk’ means whatever vile thing just came out is perfectly fine. Trump’s “grab ‘em by the…” comment was a prime example.
She goes on to talk about how it may be difficult for some cisgender people to grasp gender identity: “Gender identity is a strange and difficult concept for some cisgender people to understand. I think much of this comes from an inability to relate to someone who feels the gender they were assigned at birth isn't quite right. I don't fault someone for not being able to relate to me. We all have different experiences and these experiences shape our opinions and feelings and thoughts. If you've never felt like the gender the doctor scribbled on your birth certificate was wrong, it's not always easy to grasp why someone would feel this way. No, I don't expect anyone to understand me. But I would hope, at the very least, you treat me kindly.”
It has made me very leery of dating, and if a man does anything red-pillish, such as trying to lower my confidence, pouf, I'm gone. Interestingly, it has made me reexamine my unconscious assumption of the desirability of being in a couple. I find being on my own, with the company of lots of platonic friends, peaceful, fun and fulfilling.
YES! Thank you! So many people don’t understand that platonic relationships can be just as fulfilling as romantic ones! It’s absolutely mind-boggling how many times I’ve complained about people acting like romantic relationships are above platonic ones and been met with “well they are.”
Women in the US and China have been taking dates to the Barbie Movie to "vet" against sexist men. Not to mention the drove of breakups that came after men saw the movie and showed their true colors to their now ex gfs.
They always out themselves eventually.
Women see it just... we don't really need men the way they need women.
"the way they need women..." ugh I cringe every time I read/hear something like this. the "men have needs" trope is just untrue at it's core. It's an excuse to be a pig. Guys, if you're a pig, instead of excusing it as if you are biologically incapable of self control, work on bettering yourself so that you can care about others for a change.
Absolutely. If a man uses any of that language/incel speak I immediately leave. I won’t entertain that. It can spiral quickly as well and I’m not interested in jeopardizing my safety in any way.
I take care to not swipe on people who use incel dogwhistles in their profiles or who claim to be politically conservative or even moderate because men who are “moderate” have learned that if they outright say they’re conservative, they won’t get laid.
Men get worse and worse each year. All men, I don’t even care anymore. Until a man proves to me otherwise with his actions and behavior, it’s easier to assume he’s dangerous and hates women. Men constantly say that women are emotional but I haven’t heard of a woman beating their spouse senseless because their precious football team lost. Even some men that I thought were “normal” got so huffy about the Barbie movie and instantly I understood that they simply hid their depravity behind their “normal” facade.
Edit: ALL men. Die mad about it. I don’t care if that makes me sexist or a misandrist lmao.
I don't like the all men thing, of course, because that'd include me, but also I'm not up my own a*s enough to think that I don't have any room to grow or perspectives to understand. If someone has only ever experienced men as toxic, I know that me saying "yeah well this random person on the internet isn't like the men you've personally experienced, therefore you should trust men again" is stupid and not how any of this works. All I know is that I've earned the trust of my wife, and as a married man I continue earning the trust of both her and other women I have the privilege of interacting with. I don't know a good way to say any of this so I'm trying my best, and am willing to learn how if anyone has an answer.
Hannah begins talking about her own life and being privy to guys’ “locker room talk”: “Because of the dual life/lives that I live, I feel I get a little glimpse into the different perspectives people have about gender and gender roles. When I present as male, men talk to me like I am 'one of the guys'. These conversations can range from sports to social topics to inappropriate comments. I suppose some people would call this 'locker room talk' but I think that's in an effort to excuse certain behavior.”
“I am not out to the majority of the people in my (male) life. Almost everyone I know thinks of me as the guy they work with or their buddy from high school. My gender identity isn't on their radar. Because of this, some people in my life have no hesitation sharing their perspective on women... whether they are cisgender or transgender. Sometimes they will complain about how long it takes for women to get ready or ridicule their teenage daughters for being dramatic about a silly boy. These opinions are rather telling when it comes to their perspective on women. Perhaps they feel women are too shallow or emotional. Perhaps they feel women are weaker for having emotions."
I used to be Christian Conservative and my ex bf at the time was very much so into 4chan while getting more and more extreme right wing as the years went on.
We were together for 8 years. A lot of bull s**t happened in that amount of time, but I stayed because he had me so convinced that a civil war was going to break out, that the right was going to have to fight for their own land and new country, that eventually we would have to *literally* fight for our rights, and that he was going to protect me during this eventual war. I thought, well if it's going to happen, at least I'll be with someone that knows how to protect me. Saying this all now makes me cringe inside.
Anyway, my current partner is liberal, a feminist, and a Marine. He helped me de-brainwash myself and has really helped me see the light. He is also accepting of the fact that I am attracted to women. If there were ever an actual war and all hell broke loose, I know for a fact I would be in much better hands now than I would have ever been if I stayed with my ex.
All of this to say, redpillers are scary. I would date exclusively women if something were to ever happen to my current partner because I could never risk even dating another redpiller. Conservative men are terrifying and are getting more and more extreme as time goes on.
I sincerely hope there is never another civil war in the US, but I'm 100% convinced the first shots would come from the right.
Was with someone who got into the redpill movement during our relationship
**He told me that I had duties as a woman and I needed to fulfill his needs**
0/10 would recommend getting with anyone who is into these belief and highly recommend leaving the second they bring up how it makes so much sense
Im in my sixties and I’ve been single for the last 20 years. I love being single
I hear you. My husband died 23 yrs ago and I never came across anyone who measured up. I don't think I could live with anyone now, too set in my ways. I really missed the sex though, but now I'm old and don't care anymore.
According to her, society still misunderstands transgender people and she shares how that has affected her: “Over the last few years, transgender people have become a very charged discussion. We have been politicalized and demonized. We are discussed and scrutinized. We have become perverted villains in the eyes of many. It's strange to have this spotlight on people like myself, but it is quite an experience to hear my coworkers and family members discuss non-binary people. Sometimes someone voices their support or mentions that their friend is transgender.”
“Other times, well, it's less encouraging.”
I refuse to f**k with any dude who has conservative, moderate, Christian or apolitical in a dating profile. I also will bail any time anyone says anything about alpha, beta, or sigma males. And any sort of negging will get them tossed. I mostly date queer people these days, if I do at all.
Don't understand the animosity towards being apolitical but I understand the US is pretty divided at the moment. I (non-US) would consider myself apolitical - in my opinion, politicians are all wolves in sheep's clothing, lying through their teeth constantly to get sway. Doesn't matter what party gets elected, they will let the power get to their head at some point, so why show loyalty to any of them?
Saying you're 'apolitical' tells me that 1) you're so privileged that politics doesn't affect you and 2) that you don't care enough about other people to be concerned with how politics affect them.
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THISSSSSS. I swore off dating men years ago. But I'm still open to dating women. :)
I believe(and correct me if I am wrong) but this person seems to be suggesting that someone saying they are "moderate" could be them lying in order to get clicked on a dating app. Nothing is wrong with having moderate political views (as a person who is moderate but leans more to the liberal/green party side).
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I really can’t come up with any reason that I would date again. My single life is just so free and uncomplicated. All of the men I’ve ever been with have been more of a burden in my life.
The upside for me just wasn’t there compared to what I had to sacrifice.
Better to be happy with a houseful of pets, friends and family than with the wrong guy.
Yes. It’s impacting how men of all ages treat women. When I was single it was the reason I got off the dating apps. It’s also why I go out of my way not to engage with men in public.
The entitlement and creepy, aggressive behavior is awful. I used to travel a lot for work so I spent a lot of time in places where you meet men. I remember when you’d be having dinner at a bar and have a nice conversation with a man, a bit of a laugh, a few drinks and then go your separate ways. There was a sort of camaraderie. Something happened and more and more men started treating women like they are prey they are entitled to. It’s scary out there. And they are so rude and mean. It’s totally crazy the stuff I’ve had total strangers say to me.
And let me tell you, married men are the absolute worse. They are so gross and pushy. It used to be you’d be able to have a chat with a married man and know he likely wouldn’t hit on you. I will not engage with married men anymore. If women had any idea what their husbands are getting up to out in the world. I will never date a man who travels for work. Ever. If you’re married to a business traveler, especially a middle age one, you should regularly get STD tested.
Maybe I got lucky, but I genuinely can’t imagine my husband cheating. He’d be oblivious to anyone flirting with him in the first place, I guess that helps.
It wasn't the redpill that erased any interest or trust in men, it was men. They've always been like this, redpill just lets them be honest.
Lord love him, my dad did not (does not) know what to do with a daughter, so he always treated me like a slightly weaker son. I grew up with the knowledge that it might take me longer to do strength related tasks, but I would get that couch moved, that tire changed, that box up the stairs, etc. I was expected to be just as independent and dependable as my brothers. And the few times my brothers tried to treat me less than because I was a girl, I proved them wrong. (Ah, brothers, bless their hearts. They are stronger, I'm sneakier.)
Then I encountered men and boys who genuinely did see me as "less". Men and boys, coworkers and teachers and casual acquaintances who blink and look shocked when I talk back, when I hold the door for them, when I give them advice or joke around when them.... Yknow, when I dare to be a person treating them like a person.
It took years to figure out it was a "them, not me" problem, and took a page out of their book and "went my own way". I prefer women, socially and romantically.
In short, by the time redpill came around, I had already lost any interest in men as friends or acquaintances.
You're lucky you're interested inwomen romantically. Men are too dangerous to give them the benefit of the doubt. I feel far more safe being single than in a relationship with a man. The older I get the more I'm sickened by men. It's hard to like or be attracted to a group of people you can't trust or respect.
Im queer/bisexual and havent been attracted to a man in years. They ruined any attraction i had with how they are. Only non binary and women for me thanks
Our interviewee points out the inherent perspective of some men that women are weaker or inferior: “I've heard men discuss people like me and how they don't understand us. And that's fine... I guess. Like I said earlier, I am not trying to be understood. I just want to be treated kindly. Sometimes these conversations have led to men wondering why anyone would want to be a woman. ‘Why would anyone want to be inferior?’ they ask. ‘Why go from being a man to a girl?’ I've heard some men say that they kind of understand why a woman would want to transition to male, as if it's somewhat of a ‘promotion’, if you will.”
“This is, of course, not a reason people transition,” Hannah goes to finish, “But it is a reflection of how some men blatantly see their gender as superior. They may not understand transgender people, but they certainly understand why someone would want to be male.”
Yes. I used to think a lot of misogyny and sexism was a generational thing. Something that would die out as understanding and empathy progressed.
Now I understand that men don't really see women as human beings and only as things to benefit them. They don't want women to be happy because they genuinely don't give 2 shits.
I won't date anymore.
Oh 100% yes. I used to not care much about politics, basically: "don't encroach on the rights of others" was my only rule, but now I won't date anyone who isn't a liberal who supports feminism. It makes me scared, honestly. I want kids tremendously, but I don't know if I'll be able to find a male partner who I feel I can trust enough to do that with.
Yes, I hate to say it but I just started assuming that most men are raging mysogynistic.
as a man, hate to say it, but i feel like this is the safer way to do it
I honestly don't even want to talk to men outside of the ones I know and trust anymore.
Not my overall attraction, but it’s changed my “acceptable risk” profile when it comes to casual sexism. I used to laugh a bit more if it off, especially the “benevolent” bits.
Now, I don’t feel confident I can tell the difference between someone who is very confused about wolves, and someone who intends to go on a shooting spree, so if you sincerely talk about alphas and betas, ya out. Forever. No conversation or attempt to educate. Just out. There are lots of red-pill phrases that hit my ears these days and I just Nope right out. You’re dead to me. We’re not dating, we’re not friends, I won’t work with you a moment longer than absolutely necessary.
My generation is a bit old for the redpill movement which seems (to me) to be more for the younger crowd. HOWEVER, I’ve had enough experience with men of my own generation to be put off by the garden variety misogyny that seems to lurk just below the surface for so many of them. I am still attracted to men but I am not interested in being in a relationship with one.
I am 70. My soon to be ex-husband has decided he no longer wants to put in any effort to share his life with me. He thinks he will be better "on his own". Hasta la bye-bye.
Like seven months ago, I would have said that I don’t know where all these disgusting dudes hide when I’m around, and that I probably just surround myself with quality people. Then I heard my best friend say some out of pocket s**t about his girlfriend and he has not spoken to me since I called him out on it.
Now I’ll just say that y’all need to do whatever keeps you in the safest and happiest state at all times, even if it means not f*****g with men. I still have other great friends who I perceive as being decent humans, but that experience rattled me. Couldn’t imagine hearing some of the s**t he said after becoming intimidate with someone.
Yes. Being on the internet has opened my eyes to how little men think of us. I honestly have lost interest in even dating men after this s**t I’ve read.
I know a LOT of really great, decent, compassionate, progressive men but as they stand as a gender group, I have very little trust or admiration for them.
Yes
After dealing with a redpiller in the wild I am now way more hesitant to get involved with a man
Absolutely. It even made me wonder if I ever want myself in a relationship with a man in the future. Like, why would I even give anything to someone who does not even consider me a human being? In the end it increased my trust issues with men even more, and made me waay pickier about who I want in my social circle.
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This thread inspired me to check out reddits thebluepill and justneckbeardthings and omg it is so much worse than I thought. I completely understand these posters being done with men. I renounce my gender and surrender my man card. Love and support to all m'ladies *tips fedora* 😂
The things straight men say about and do to women, while simultaneously complaining about the things toxic masculinity does to hurt themselves, has all but eliminated my empathy for them as a group. I can't do it anymore. Women have borne the brunt of men's hatred for millennia into the present day; it's on men to change how they view and treat us, since it's abundantly clear that a huge many of them don't care about our wants, needs or rights.
Yes, but who created the idea of toxic masculinity as a standard men were supposed to live up to? It wasn't women. Men have been in charge of the world since human beings lived in caves. And they've been trying to blame women for literally everything since Mother Eve, even though even a casual reading of Genesis will tell you that she was set up to fail by a patriarchal god. Think about it. If you don't know right from wrong (because you haven't eaten from the Tree), then how can you be held accountable for your actions, which you couldn't possibly have known were wrong? Even human laws account for this.
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I feel like the redpill boys and the "hE mUsT bE 6 fT" girls should get together and be awful away from the rest of us.
I agree with you. Those young women are setting back equality decades with their silly nonsense, because they behave as if they themselves are a commodity to be earned instead of a human being. The two groups you mentioned deserve each other, since they don't view each other as human. More like a fashion accessory.
Load More Replies... I really hope that 1) my daughter, who is 16 and hasn't faced too much drama yet relationships-wise, is able to somehow traverse this insane world we live in without getting absolutely traumatized. I'm terrified for her, but I'm doing my very best to prepare her. and 2) I hope I can teach my son well enough to not be like this. One of the most important moments in my life was a commitment I made when I was beginning my recovery. In group recovery, we had a father and a son who were both talking about their experiences with addiction, and the father broke down apologizing. The son said that he could not be saved from his past, but moving forward, his son would not have a father unwilling to work on his s**t. We all went around vowing that our son's would know our stories. My son is 12 and knows my recovery already. It's a privilege to teach him to be a man worthy of respect and trust.
My daughter is 22 and bisexual. I honestly would prefer her to be fully lesbian and never bring me a son-in-law. I was (am) a daddy's little princess, but even dear old papa has his dubious moments. But he's 83 so I'll give him a pass, not worth falling out about things now.
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It's hard not to feel discouraged as a woman if you spend a lot of time reading men's responses on the internet (not here but on reddit etc). That said, we're in a time period where everything is about heightening conflict, highlighting differences, and encouraging an us vs them mentality. A lot of red pill types were complaining about Barbie but both men and women on reddit seemed to love that movie regardless of politics because it made them feel seen and validated because we all struggle with expectations of gender in our society. I'm not saying we need to tolerate random rapey guys but I do wish we'd spend less time getting into conflict online and more time remembering we're all humans with feelings. Well except me. I'm a goose.
I will not acknowledge the humanity of a group of people that has a history of doing horrible things to women, solely because they're women. Innocent women have died at the hands of entitled incels with guns (e.g., Elliot Roger) and I will not extend my hand to them.
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This Article and other things I have seen recently have made me so anti red pill it's not even funny. I had no clue that THE MAJORITY OF MEN actually still think "shut up b***h, get in the kitchen" isn't only acceptable but it's the only way of life. I did not realize that men actually want women enslaved, and to not be treated as equal people, and there are women that have been brainwashed into agreeing. Ladies I am terrified for you I never ever realized these things. There are good men out there but don't trust any of them.
I've always thought that even as a kid. If it's not the majority of men who are subanimal scum, it's the substantial minority and for that reason alone, you can't trust any of them.
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For me, it's not just the red-pills I want yo avoid but also the women who agree with them. There are so many women ready to shove a knife in your back as soon as its turned. Women I've thought were friends and allies have turned out to be so twofaced I'm afraid to trust anyone at this point.
I remember a line from a nineties TV show, Living Single. Queen Latifah’s character said it. I think another character has asked something like “What would the world be like if there were no men in it?” Queen Latifah’s character shot right back with “It would be full of fat happy women and no crime.” I have thought bout that line a lot in the last thirty years. I have been thinking about it a lot more these days. I’m married, but my husband and I are in our sixties. We could have decades ahead of us, or not. If he goes first, and I have a lot of years to live without him, I will do like the one poster said, live the rest of my life in celibacy. I mean, women live longer than men, so what are the chances of my finding another good man like my husband, especially as a senior citizen? I’ll just have a bunch of good friends to hang out with, then go home—-my home, where I have 100% autonomy—-to my pets and my precious solitude.
"Not all men..." Well, if y'all good men would just go ahead and mark the bad ones for us (forehead tattoo, perhaps?), then maybe we wouldn't have to be worried by the rest of you.
For all those who are uneasy about women saying it is all men, I would like to make 2 points. For many of us it was men who first told us that it was indeed all men. Have you ever heard a father giving advice to a daughter before her first date? A father, if asked about what men to avoid will often tell his daughter that every man only wants one thing. So from the get-go we are told by men, not to trust any man. Secondly, most of us do think it is all men. Women know that it's not actually all men but we have to navigate our way through life as if it were. We are very aware that we a vulnerable around men and until we know otherwise about a particular man you will be considered in the "all men" category. We have to think this for our own safety.
Today I was picking up my cat from the vet. (Annual exam, she's fine.) There was a man sitting in the waiting area who told me he used to have a blonde cat that would sit on his lap, cuddle up with him and was so friendly. Then he says, "Now if only I could find a woman like that". I'm blonde and was alone with this dude. My heart was racing.
Your comment struck a chord. It puts into words something I can use, "If someone does anything red-pillish, such as trying to lower my confidence, pouf, I'm gone." I believe toxic people feel safe because any engagement or even remaining silent makes them feel in control. This cuts it off their feeling of control and they'll move on to get their need to be fulfilled by someone else.
It's not just "red pill" men who act this way. "Blue pill" men are also like this. Don't make this an "us vs them" argument in the interest of pushing an agenda.
Well that was a super depressing read. Don't blame the posters for feeling this way.
@tracy wallick, the point is every politician is more concerned about money in their pocket than any real issue. For example, climate change is HUGE concern of mine. And it's common knowledge that corporations are the biggest contributors to it. Now the left claims they want to help reverse it, but all the politicians have their hands in the pockets of the corporations. So they are never going to pass anything too radical because they don't want to p**s off the people funding them. It's a messed up system.
Oh, dear a "not all men" commenter. 2016 called, it wants its hashtag back. We all know it's not *all* men - it's *any* man.
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This whole thread just makes me sad. I genuinely want to get to know more women but have been met with distrust and rejection. I guess I always partially blamed myself for being awkward, now it's just one more thing to blame the current system for. I am going to build a parallel universe now where sexes are trivia about a person and who you are means nothing, its all about what you do. Hopefully some women will jump in and lead this project so I can't derail it
And this is why I will not even consider a date if my hubby loses his fight with cancer. It was scary enough 30 years ago. Now? Oh he** no.
the only relationship I'd have with another man, if I found myself single again, would be FWB. I'd never live with one or share things with one.
It should be interesting to watch the birth statistics for the next 10 or 20 years. And how many of those mothers are single.
I think being a woman in the '20s is a nightmare. Firstly, you have the minority who denigrade what a woman is by portraying themselves as a 'woman' and demanding that this become the norm. Worse of all we can no longer say it for what it is - Men dressed as woman. Wearing a sheepskin coat does not make you a sheep... And no, it's not 'hate' it simple acknowledgement that a woman is biologically different from a man. Men are hijacking the arguement about what it is to be a woman. Secondly we have the 'incels' (for a better word). The internet is a breeding ground for those who think that it hold the answer to their maladies. It doesn't. Your lack of social skills is because you don't go out, you don't take rejection and expect the world to be a fluffy place... But it's not. The internet has a lot to answer for. Imagine a world without 'influencers', 'social media' and the constant drip drip of faux news... It wouldn't be perfect, but it would be better. Perhaps more mutual respect that we're not the center of the universe and less demanding entitlement that everyone panders/bends to our own (at times) warped view what it is to be human...
Just to be clear, the first half of your comment is transphobic hate, right?
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This thread inspired me to check out reddits thebluepill and justneckbeardthings and omg it is so much worse than I thought. I completely understand these posters being done with men. I renounce my gender and surrender my man card. Love and support to all m'ladies *tips fedora* 😂
The things straight men say about and do to women, while simultaneously complaining about the things toxic masculinity does to hurt themselves, has all but eliminated my empathy for them as a group. I can't do it anymore. Women have borne the brunt of men's hatred for millennia into the present day; it's on men to change how they view and treat us, since it's abundantly clear that a huge many of them don't care about our wants, needs or rights.
Yes, but who created the idea of toxic masculinity as a standard men were supposed to live up to? It wasn't women. Men have been in charge of the world since human beings lived in caves. And they've been trying to blame women for literally everything since Mother Eve, even though even a casual reading of Genesis will tell you that she was set up to fail by a patriarchal god. Think about it. If you don't know right from wrong (because you haven't eaten from the Tree), then how can you be held accountable for your actions, which you couldn't possibly have known were wrong? Even human laws account for this.
Load More Replies... As a man this made me feel two things. First, I am now even more worried about the world my daughter will grow up in. Second, it makes me feel like a saint since I'm apparently better than 90% of the other men on the planet.
I feel like the redpill boys and the "hE mUsT bE 6 fT" girls should get together and be awful away from the rest of us.
I agree with you. Those young women are setting back equality decades with their silly nonsense, because they behave as if they themselves are a commodity to be earned instead of a human being. The two groups you mentioned deserve each other, since they don't view each other as human. More like a fashion accessory.
Load More Replies... I really hope that 1) my daughter, who is 16 and hasn't faced too much drama yet relationships-wise, is able to somehow traverse this insane world we live in without getting absolutely traumatized. I'm terrified for her, but I'm doing my very best to prepare her. and 2) I hope I can teach my son well enough to not be like this. One of the most important moments in my life was a commitment I made when I was beginning my recovery. In group recovery, we had a father and a son who were both talking about their experiences with addiction, and the father broke down apologizing. The son said that he could not be saved from his past, but moving forward, his son would not have a father unwilling to work on his s**t. We all went around vowing that our son's would know our stories. My son is 12 and knows my recovery already. It's a privilege to teach him to be a man worthy of respect and trust.
My daughter is 22 and bisexual. I honestly would prefer her to be fully lesbian and never bring me a son-in-law. I was (am) a daddy's little princess, but even dear old papa has his dubious moments. But he's 83 so I'll give him a pass, not worth falling out about things now.
Load More Replies... It's hard not to feel discouraged as a woman if you spend a lot of time reading men's responses on the internet (not here but on reddit etc). That said, we're in a time period where everything is about heightening conflict, highlighting differences, and encouraging an us vs them mentality. A lot of red pill types were complaining about Barbie but both men and women on reddit seemed to love that movie regardless of politics because it made them feel seen and validated because we all struggle with expectations of gender in our society. I'm not saying we need to tolerate random rapey guys but I do wish we'd spend less time getting into conflict online and more time remembering we're all humans with feelings. Well except me. I'm a goose.
I will not acknowledge the humanity of a group of people that has a history of doing horrible things to women, solely because they're women. Innocent women have died at the hands of entitled incels with guns (e.g., Elliot Roger) and I will not extend my hand to them.
Load More Replies... This Article and other things I have seen recently have made me so anti red pill it's not even funny. I had no clue that THE MAJORITY OF MEN actually still think "shut up b***h, get in the kitchen" isn't only acceptable but it's the only way of life. I did not realize that men actually want women enslaved, and to not be treated as equal people, and there are women that have been brainwashed into agreeing. Ladies I am terrified for you I never ever realized these things. There are good men out there but don't trust any of them.
I've always thought that even as a kid. If it's not the majority of men who are subanimal scum, it's the substantial minority and for that reason alone, you can't trust any of them.
Load More Replies... For me, it's not just the red-pills I want yo avoid but also the women who agree with them. There are so many women ready to shove a knife in your back as soon as its turned. Women I've thought were friends and allies have turned out to be so twofaced I'm afraid to trust anyone at this point.
I remember a line from a nineties TV show, Living Single. Queen Latifah’s character said it. I think another character has asked something like “What would the world be like if there were no men in it?” Queen Latifah’s character shot right back with “It would be full of fat happy women and no crime.” I have thought bout that line a lot in the last thirty years. I have been thinking about it a lot more these days. I’m married, but my husband and I are in our sixties. We could have decades ahead of us, or not. If he goes first, and I have a lot of years to live without him, I will do like the one poster said, live the rest of my life in celibacy. I mean, women live longer than men, so what are the chances of my finding another good man like my husband, especially as a senior citizen? I’ll just have a bunch of good friends to hang out with, then go home—-my home, where I have 100% autonomy—-to my pets and my precious solitude.
"Not all men..." Well, if y'all good men would just go ahead and mark the bad ones for us (forehead tattoo, perhaps?), then maybe we wouldn't have to be worried by the rest of you.
For all those who are uneasy about women saying it is all men, I would like to make 2 points. For many of us it was men who first told us that it was indeed all men. Have you ever heard a father giving advice to a daughter before her first date? A father, if asked about what men to avoid will often tell his daughter that every man only wants one thing. So from the get-go we are told by men, not to trust any man. Secondly, most of us do think it is all men. Women know that it's not actually all men but we have to navigate our way through life as if it were. We are very aware that we a vulnerable around men and until we know otherwise about a particular man you will be considered in the "all men" category. We have to think this for our own safety.
Today I was picking up my cat from the vet. (Annual exam, she's fine.) There was a man sitting in the waiting area who told me he used to have a blonde cat that would sit on his lap, cuddle up with him and was so friendly. Then he says, "Now if only I could find a woman like that". I'm blonde and was alone with this dude. My heart was racing.
Your comment struck a chord. It puts into words something I can use, "If someone does anything red-pillish, such as trying to lower my confidence, pouf, I'm gone." I believe toxic people feel safe because any engagement or even remaining silent makes them feel in control. This cuts it off their feeling of control and they'll move on to get their need to be fulfilled by someone else.
It's not just "red pill" men who act this way. "Blue pill" men are also like this. Don't make this an "us vs them" argument in the interest of pushing an agenda.
Well that was a super depressing read. Don't blame the posters for feeling this way.
@tracy wallick, the point is every politician is more concerned about money in their pocket than any real issue. For example, climate change is HUGE concern of mine. And it's common knowledge that corporations are the biggest contributors to it. Now the left claims they want to help reverse it, but all the politicians have their hands in the pockets of the corporations. So they are never going to pass anything too radical because they don't want to p**s off the people funding them. It's a messed up system.
Oh, dear a "not all men" commenter. 2016 called, it wants its hashtag back. We all know it's not *all* men - it's *any* man.
Load More Replies... This whole thread just makes me sad. I genuinely want to get to know more women but have been met with distrust and rejection. I guess I always partially blamed myself for being awkward, now it's just one more thing to blame the current system for. I am going to build a parallel universe now where sexes are trivia about a person and who you are means nothing, its all about what you do. Hopefully some women will jump in and lead this project so I can't derail it
And this is why I will not even consider a date if my hubby loses his fight with cancer. It was scary enough 30 years ago. Now? Oh he** no.
the only relationship I'd have with another man, if I found myself single again, would be FWB. I'd never live with one or share things with one.
It should be interesting to watch the birth statistics for the next 10 or 20 years. And how many of those mothers are single.
I think being a woman in the '20s is a nightmare. Firstly, you have the minority who denigrade what a woman is by portraying themselves as a 'woman' and demanding that this become the norm. Worse of all we can no longer say it for what it is - Men dressed as woman. Wearing a sheepskin coat does not make you a sheep... And no, it's not 'hate' it simple acknowledgement that a woman is biologically different from a man. Men are hijacking the arguement about what it is to be a woman. Secondly we have the 'incels' (for a better word). The internet is a breeding ground for those who think that it hold the answer to their maladies. It doesn't. Your lack of social skills is because you don't go out, you don't take rejection and expect the world to be a fluffy place... But it's not. The internet has a lot to answer for. Imagine a world without 'influencers', 'social media' and the constant drip drip of faux news... It wouldn't be perfect, but it would be better. Perhaps more mutual respect that we're not the center of the universe and less demanding entitlement that everyone panders/bends to our own (at times) warped view what it is to be human...
Just to be clear, the first half of your comment is transphobic hate, right?
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