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Man Or Woman? Androgynous Model Poses As Both To Challenge Gender Stereotypes
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Man Or Woman? Androgynous Model Poses As Both To Challenge Gender Stereotypes

Meet Rain Dove – the androgynous model that walks the runway in both menswear and womenswear.

Not to be confused with the modern gender classifications, androgyny is an ancient term, describing a character or a person that has both masculine and feminine characteristics. And as with everything concerning unique looks, androgyny is the next big thing in the fashion industry – from male models looking quite feminine to female models looking quite masculine.

Though Rain didn’t always see herself as androgynous. Instead, she saw herself as an “ugly woman.” “I never had bad feelings about it; I just felt that maybe I was that one girl,” Dove told After Ellen. “It wasn’t until I was wilderness firefighter for a while and that’s when I felt more empowered in my ambiguity and sexuality as far as gender presentation goes.”

Quite frequently, people assume Rain is male, but she doesn’t correct them. Instead, Rain takes advantage of these “misunderstandings.” “When I was a firefighter they thought I was a male and I went with it because I really need a job and I was out in the middle of nowhere in Colorado,” she said. “So I utilized my gender-bending profile as something that had gotten me a bunch of odd jobs from nannying to the landscape.” And that’s when it all started… Now, Rain Dove is an activist, she is pursuing acting, and she is the runway model that turns heads in menswear, womenswear, and fashion photography. “We’re all struggling to be unique, and the unique thing you can be is yourself,” Rain told Buzzfeed. “The gender thing doesn’t exist; it’s a social construct you don’t have to fit into. Some people love you; some people will love you. Some people accept you, and I’m one of them.”

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Meet Rain Dove – the androgynous model who is trying to break gender stereotypes

Though Rain didn’t always see herself as androgynous, she saw herself as an “ugly women”

“I never had bad feelings about it, I just felt that maybe I was that one girl,” Dove said

“It wasn’t until I was wilderness firefighter for a while and that’s when I felt more empowered in my ambiguity and sexuality as far as gender presentation goes.”

Quite frequently, people assume Rain is male, but she doesn’t correct them

“When I was a firefighter they thought I was a male”

“And I went with it because I really need a job and I was out in the middle of nowhere in Colorado”

Now, Rain Dove is an activist

She is the model that turns heads on the runway in both menswear and womenswear

“We’re all struggling to be unique”

“And the most unique thing you can be is yourself”

“The gender thing doesn’t exist”

“It’s a social construct you don’t have to fit into”

“There are people who love you”

“There are people who will love you”

“There are people who accept you”

“And I’m one of them”

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Captain Planet
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5 years ago

Actually I don't really think in genders. But I notice I keep thinking about it because people keep emphasizing on "It's normal/ok to be different! It's normal/ok to be different!" Same as when you keep telling your innocent/pure 3 year old child "It's ok to play with your neighbour's child even though he's black/Asian/African or whatever." Then he will start to think about it. Oh is it ok? or was or should be a problem or special? Even though normally he would just play. WE MAKE it a BIG deal and important. Don't fix a problem in a place there isnt. Th eonly thing you do then is create one. ALOT of people don't understand this or just want attention/money. imo if you really want to change something then speak up when the situation arises when it's needed for example when people discriminate. Start handling specific needed situations/people who offend other and stop obesessively publicly broadcasting how important this is or racism. It's like shooting with a shotgun at 3 targets.

Kagamilia
Community Member
5 years ago

There, someone finally said it. Thank you, Captain.

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Alex K
Community Member
5 years ago

so because she looks like a man, gender doesn't exist? people get stupider every day.

Nanna
Community Member
5 years ago

"she looks like a man" this is what she's trying to get rid of! Who decided that this is the look of a man? This can be the look of a woman and a man.

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Anne Madag
Community Member
5 years ago

Instead of being presented with stereotypes by age, sex, color, class or religion, children must have the opportunity to learn that within each range, some people are loathsome and some are delightful.

Ok Ha-Neul
Community Member
5 years ago

inspiring

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Evelyn Brooks
Community Member
5 years ago

I love this. One, whatever Rain wants to be called, is beautiful as a model in both versions of pics. Like damn. And two, I like how Rain just drifts freely as who Rain wants to be. Very inspiring.

adoracat
Community Member
5 years ago

So VERY much this! She's a beautiful person, whether she's dressed as a male or as a female.

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Sa Pa
Community Member
5 years ago

Gender is a real thing. You are either born with XY chromosomes or XX chromosomes. (Sometimes defects can cause a different combination) But it is not a social construct, it's a part of being human.

Zaira Mendoza
Community Member
5 years ago

Actually, gender is a social construct. What you refer to when talking about the XY and XX chromosome is sex.

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Lara B.
Community Member
5 years ago

Wow! What a beautiful face :-0!! I think Rain looks gorgeous in both picture types. Be whoever you wanna be, Rain!

Anna Brandigi
Community Member
5 years ago

Very sexually confused right now...

Totally Magical Unicorn
Community Member
5 years ago

It's a matter of language. Sex and gender. There are two sexes; male and female. This is necessary for bureaucracy, competition and such. So sex tends to refer to biological differences, while gender more often refers to cultural and social differences and sometimes encompasses a broader range of identities than the binary of male and female.

Bob
Community Member
5 years ago

By the way, everyone is going to take this the wrong way- I think this post is "ignoring differences" like gender. Gender does exist(cont.)

Bob
Community Member
5 years ago

But she fits into a different type. We don't need to pretend it isn't a thing- she should be proud of her difference.

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Kia
Community Member
5 years ago

Human Beings are amazingly wonderful and varied. Rain Dove is a beautiful example of human beauty.

jevais
Community Member
5 years ago

Kia, thank you for bring this to an upper level of understanding. God bless you too!

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Little Menace
Community Member
5 years ago

I have to be honest. She is a better looking guy than girl. I totally like androgynity but I disagree with her saying 'gender doesn't exist'. Maybe not for her but "Hellooo" there is the majority of human kind where it is quite obvious what gender we are. Nature likes it that way so that we can get on reproducing and don't waste precious resources on someone who could be either gender. What a kerfaffle that would be.

Vanessa Bergem
Community Member
5 years ago

She is beautiful as both. Captivating as man or woman.

Sandwich Lover
Community Member
5 years ago

She makes me remember that girl from the anime " Nisekoi " who at firsr was boy, then it was a girl, then a boy again... BTW, I love this!!! :O

MaddySquidCat 7
Community Member
5 years ago

This is so beautiful and inspiring. Keep doing what you want to do with your life, and do what makes you happy, not what makes other people happy.

Teija
Community Member
5 years ago

Just be who you are and do what makes you happy. :) Gender isn't about what you have between your legs.

SnoopyCereal
Community Member
5 years ago

Dear uneducated assholes, SEX is biological (what you have been calling gender in your little chromosome rants). GENDER is your perception of your own sex. You can have male chromosomes but identify as a female (crazy I know). There are still 2 biological SEXES (there is also the 1 in 500 intersex folks, but that's whole other can of worms). Before posting a 'biological' rant, do some research. Or just a google search. Really.

Brian Rea
Community Member
5 years ago

maybe before YOU go on a rant and tell others to google it, you should do the same; and see that sex and gender can be synonyms.

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shanna z
Community Member
5 years ago

While I support transgender people, because folks should be allowed to be whoever they want to be, I always felt a bit sad they anyone felt the need to mutilate their body to match their self-image. I am pleased that the trend seems to be moving towards accepting the "spectrum" of gender identification, free from pigeon-holed demands on behavior or appearence.

Pat
Community Member
5 years ago

Gender is male or female. Why else do they call it gender reassignment. I have seen very masculine women & very feminine men in my 60 yrs. but they were still male or female. Rain is very beautiful no matter how she chooses to dress.

Cerri Dwen
Community Member
5 years ago

s-he is the perfect exemple of why people need to get conscious of gender studies, and social construction of gender roles...

Brian Rea
Community Member
5 years ago

nah, we don't need your sjw BS. As for Rain, as long as she is a decent person I'm all for her doing what makes her happy.

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紫菱 黃
Community Member
5 years ago

I love her. she is awesome.

Diana CrunChewy Watson
Community Member
5 years ago

I love this. There are times when I feel like wearing my cargo shorts and no makeup, and then there are times I want to wear an evening gown and do it up. Most of the time I'm somewhere in the middle. And there's nothing wrong with that.

Mimis Nachbarin
Community Member
5 years ago

Of course genders do exist. It is not a social construct but clearly a biological construct. A very necessary one... But that doens't mean everybody has to fit into one or the other! If you feel you're different or inbetween: go for it, be different, be yourself. Be free and let nobody judge you. You are unique and yes, there are people who love and respect you. Only: pretending there are no genders is beside the point.

Person2638
Community Member
3 years ago

Yes, sexes exist. Your sex is a biological construct, but Rain is using 'gender' as which side you conform to. Everyone has a sex, but not everyone has to fit into a gender.

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Μαρια Ταξιαρχουλα Χατζηηλια
5 years ago

have you ever noticed that all people who say ''you should be yourself, don't listen to others' opinion of you, stay true to who you are'' are people who were in a difficult position and were discriminated against but are successful now? They had been through difficult times yes, but they say those things now because they've found a job in spite of their unique looks. People who are still struggling with being different or unusual try to change how they look or behave because they can't fit in society and are being bullied. Those don't write ''be yourself. you're beautiful'' rants.

T S
Community Member
3 years ago

"Ugly" is an unfitting term for these. I like all of them.

Kathalean Bullock
Community Member
5 years ago

Love the photos, keep them coming. F**k gender, I think you're gorgeous. You're an inspiration. :)

frank0ys
Community Member
5 years ago

...She looks more handsome than me. Beautiful in either way. :)

sans.
Community Member
5 years ago

I want to look like them so bad oh my god. GOALS AF

Deborah R.
Community Member
5 years ago

I love this! Thanks for posting it. And keep on keepin' on!

Iapetos
Community Member
5 years ago

She's handsome.

Kawaii Lemon
Community Member
5 years ago

She looks fine to me

Marie Rundel
Community Member
5 years ago

She is so beautiful! There's no reason to hide...!

SIRiMAC
Community Member
5 years ago

I think she definitely just has a masculine face and build. She is great :)

jacluckycat
Community Member
5 years ago

I love Rain Dove. Her message is so positive and simple - be who you are, despite personal and social pressure. But she is someone who actually practises what she preaches, and makes herself vulnerable so that people struggling under the weight of gender norms have a relatable voice. She does this despite collective mockery and judgment - as you can see in these very comments. Simple-minded people become uncomfortable, and even downright hostile, when presented with something they cannot clearly label and categorize. Rain, please keep flying in the face of ignorance. You are strong, and strength is beauty.

Harris Muhammed
Community Member
5 years ago

Respect... Hats off 😃

Wombat34
Community Member
5 years ago

I don't agree that it's unethical to infer someone's sex from their appearance. This woman so happens to look like a man. If she feels bad about it, that's her problem.

Barbara Berg
Community Member
5 years ago

Just like being gay and coming out and fighting for their rights, I personally feel people like her has the right too to stand up for her kind and make a voice for themselves. We're not all the average norm and those not being the average norm like us they still do share all the same rights we have.

Jazmyn B (Jaz)
Community Member
5 years ago

Oh wow she has amazing talent to do that!

Rosa Greyhound
Community Member
5 years ago

I absolutely love your name btw

Gensuzi
Community Member
5 years ago

Sooo please please PLEASE someone explain me... she has a beautiful body, great breasts great body again... but did she has a pen*s ?! If she has e pen*s she is trans-sexual great looking ... right ? If she has a vagina she`s a woman and a beautiful woman indeed :S i`m a little confused :(

Susan Forbes
Community Member
5 years ago

She's a woman who has an androgynous appearance who was often mistaken for a man and she has now embraced that quality

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Sarah Blanche Brinsfield
Community Member
5 years ago

Rain Dove, I love you!

Galeanthropy2017
Community Member
5 years ago

Beautiful either way.

Susan O'Keeffe
Community Member
5 years ago

This person is beautiful

Madison Unger
Community Member
5 years ago

This was really inspiring, I really like what Rain is doing! :}

Aleksandar Kuyumdzhiev
Community Member
5 years ago

What is so inspiring? Did she cure cancer or just modeling? Cuz people at labs trying to fix global warming and diseases and energy solutions are getting 0 attention. But this is inspiring... More people into science is inspiring, this is bullshit.

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B
Community Member
3 days ago

I think that androgeny is to do more with psychology rather than presentation. As an androgynous person I have a female body, but I have a different rational. I am very protective and like to provide for my wife. I wear less feminine clothes because it’s how I feel comfortable. That said, I am very empathetic and like the fact that I am a woman. I would say that an androgynous person is adaptable mentally rather than conforming o any particular role assigned to gender.

Michel Simov
Community Member
3 years ago

If she wanted to become ftm, she wouldn't even need testosterone lol! Incidentally, I'm a post-surgical ftm and I'm really jealous. I'd exchange my classically beautiful female face for hers any day. But the statement that gender is a social construct bla bla bla is plain silly. At the end of the day, we've all got penises and vaginas. Even transgender folk who get surgery want to get the most naturalistic-looking penis or vagina. They don't get surgeries to get a third gender alien tentacles for genitals.

T S
Community Member
3 years ago (edited)

I admire them with intense interest.

Obby Hans
Community Member
4 years ago

People doesnt relly understnd the power of creation we are being created to live as human beings with a specific gender...There is only two of us in this world thats a MAN/MALE and WOMAN/FEMALE meaning doesnt matter you are UGLY, BEAUTIFUL, HANDSOME ,WEIRD BEING or whatsoever as long long as you have a penis then you are a male and you have a vagina then you are a female...we always trying to motivate people like "Never trying to listen to peoples' saying about you" and why we accept people judging how our faces look like and trying to act like its okay to be a man if you are a woman who's ugly.. NEVER EVER change the way you are born to be dont let people influence you dont emotions influence you and its okay if you are a male to have feeling to another male but those are juat feelings not the way you are born...also if you are a woman dont date another woman just because you do feel for them its just a feeling its not the way you are born to be... trust your well being. PEACE:)

Susie Zander
Community Member
5 years ago

I think she is beautiful

Aušrinė Kuzaitė
Community Member
5 years ago

well....sorry to upset, but genders DO exist...and I think if doctors would test her genome and hormones they would find something that would be the reason of her looks. I mean she looks great as a human person in general. But it is not the reason to spread these absolute anti gender ideas...what if most people feel very good in their gender? minorities should always have equal rights and be respected, but it should never influence how whole other society see themselves...it is just not fare. I am a women and I like to be and act like one, it is a pleasure, not a burden.

Artur Niedzielski
Community Member
5 years ago

What do you mean by gender stereotypes? Do we have more than two genders or something has changed on this planet?

Person2638
Community Member
3 years ago

Gender stereotypes as in men are stronger and powerful, women are delicate little beings, men are dominative feelingless beings and women are submissive emotional little ones, yada yada yada.

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Bogdan
Community Member
5 years ago

Horror...I don't get it.

Pamela Lopour
Community Member
5 years ago

What beauty.

Melody McGinn
Community Member
5 years ago

She should start a new wave band.

Melody McGinn
Community Member
5 years ago

She should start a new wave band.

Mayra Blu
Community Member
5 years ago

It's interesting how she looks like a man when dressed as a woman and vice versa (looking like a woman when dressed as a man). But tbh clothes shouldn't and do not define us. We just gotta be what we are, if you feel like a woman you are a woman and if you feel like a man you are a man I guess. Of course if you're gender fluid or non binary SURE BE MY GUEST!! Be what you be, ain't nobody telling ya you can't..

Sophie Renda
Community Member
1 year ago (edited)

Many people, in fact, ARE telling us we can't. But I agree with the rest of your comment.

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Alan G.
Community Member
5 years ago

She's so beautiful. She looks great either way.

Cube Silvers
Community Member
5 years ago

She's a hot guy!

M O'Connell
Community Member
5 years ago

#1 Gorgeous woman. #2 The left-hand image in the beach-volleyball scene is the hottest damn thing ever. #3 I swear she looks like another model from the mid-80s, but I cannot think of who that would have been. Suggestions?

Leona Coburn
Community Member
5 years ago

Kate Moss?

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Gensuzi
Community Member
5 years ago

oo fuc* it she looks great

Curt Pangracs
Community Member
5 years ago

Ugly is ugly, no matter your gender.

Indy Sietsma
Community Member
5 years ago

Its a woman

carl grassini
Community Member
5 years ago

??“The gender thing doesn’t exist”?? In this case the battle of the sexes is going on in one person. Exhibition Battle of the Sexes – Franz von Stuck to Frida Kahlo (Geschlechterkampf – Franz von Stuck bis Frida Kahlo) was held from 24 November 2016 to 19 March 2017 at the Städel-Museum in Frankfurt am Main. 140 paintings, films and sculptures reflected the change in gender roles and the perception of this roles.

Person2638
Community Member
3 years ago

Sexes exist. Your sex is a biological construct, but Rain is using 'gender' as which side you conform to. Everyone has a sex, but not everyone has to fit into a gender.

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Mark Duncan
Community Member
5 years ago

She looked like a woman in all of them to me.

GeeGee
Community Member
4 years ago

Just another case of body dysmorphia. Going along with this ridiculous idea is the equivalent of saying an anorexic is "identifying" as a skeleton. It's a mind disorder and really has nothing to do with your physical self.

Martin
Community Member
5 years ago

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Seth Gecko
Community Member
5 years ago

It's going to be quite hard to truly pass as a man with her/his (person)'s chest, they're very full.

Karen Anderson
Community Member
5 years ago

No thanks

Irene Walton
Community Member
5 years ago

crazy, attention grabber

It's common sense for kids.
Community Member
5 years ago

Err ma gersh Y chromosome = male. If you have a Y chromosome, you are a male. If you don't, you are a female. That is your sex. That is your gender. Because sex and gender are synonymous. If you are a female, and you want to smash your boobs and wear baggy shorts... That's fine. But don't say it's because your gender is male.

Jo Farrall
Community Member
5 years ago

Why did the sex testing for Caster Semenya take so long? What about androgen insensitivity disorder? What about the 1 in 500 people who are some kind of intersex? What about XXY?

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Stanley Corr
Community Member
5 years ago

Wow look at those totally-not-tits pectorals that guy has! A really dumb non gender-aware nazi might think he was a woman! In reality though they're an androgynous example to us all, showing how anyone can be beautiful... I really hope my sarcasm is coming through here, like who the hell cares about a slightly weird looking woman? Yes from certain angles she looks like a man but that does not prove anything about gender. There are, were and always will be 3 genders: Male, Female and Retarded.

Sophie Renda
Community Member
1 year ago

Holy crap dude, different opinions are great but there's no need to use word like h*ll and r*****d!

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Gensuzi
Community Member
5 years ago

Sooo please please PLEASE someone explain me... she has a beautiful body, great breasts great body again... but did she has a pen*s ?! If she has e pen*s she is trans-sexual great looking ... right ? If she has a vagina she`s a woman and a beautiful woman indeed :S i`m a little confused :(

River Smith
Community Member
5 years ago

hi gensuzi! it doesn't really matter whether rain is transGENDER or not. transexual is an offensive term to most people, so please try to weed it out of your vocabulary. rain identifies as a woman and whether she is a woman assigned female at birth or a woman of trans experience, it doesn't change the fact that she's a woman. so it really doesn't matter if she has a penis or not. also, penis is not a bad word. neither is vagina. they are body parts, like an arm. it doesn't matter

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Izzy C
Community Member
5 years ago

Look downwards. Good job, you found your gender.

cayenne523
Community Member
5 years ago

You are either male or female. Every once in a while someone is born with both male and female sexual organs. Other than that if one thinks they are the opposite gender than what they were born they have a mental condition which should be treated by professionals.

Mark Duncan
Community Member
5 years ago

Stupid shit. Doesn't matter how mannish she makes her appearance, she's a woman. She looked like a woman in every picture.

Elusive
Community Member
5 years ago

I love you

Some Body
Community Member
5 years ago

EVERY MAN HAVE SUCH BOOBS, GIRLS DON'T HAVE SUCH, SO IT'S OBVIOUS IT' A MAN!

Jorunn Richardsen
Community Member
5 years ago

Or Fatima Whitebread...

Jonathan Parkin
Community Member
5 years ago

Frankly I'm not seeing the "manly" part she's trying to pull off. Some women have broader shoulders, but sex is sex - breasts, hips, inner and outer workings. I don't even see any evidence of hormone therapy here. Pity - she reminds me of this girl I know who's voluptuous, girly, hyper-feminine and convinced that she's somehow gender-fluid. Confused, pretty unfortunate, I love her to pieces and help her whenever I can but her head hasn't been on straight for a while.

McKenna Pipher
Community Member
5 years ago

the only unfortunate thing here is your lack of understanding, empathy and respect

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Tracey Martens
Community Member
5 years ago

A biology class wouldn't kill her.

Etien De Lamothe Cassel
Community Member
5 years ago

Gender stereotypes, LMFAO~!

Maggie Joe Bryan
Community Member
5 years ago

Cool what a great movement

Floyd Mabena
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5 years ago

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Lets get the basics right: 1. Man = Penis 2. Woman = Vagina Now lets top it up a bit: 1. If you have a penis and look like a girl you are determined by your genitalia! 2. If you have a vagina and you look like a guy you are determined by your genitalia! Both men and women have nipples which so boobs are out of the question because men can grow them lol through weight gain So in essence if the model has a DICK then the model is a man If the model has a Vagina then the model is a woman! There are only two genders and there are really attractive people out there that is all finish and klaar (South African here)

guess
Community Member
5 years ago

There is a difference between sex and gender. Regardless of either there is nothing that forces us to act a certain way, "gender roles" make us feel like there's a certain way we should act depending on our sex and gender. But those rules don't exist anywhere but in our minds. Ultimately people should be free to act as they wish regardless of what's in their pants and who they are in their hearts, because we all deserve the autonomy to choose how to live our lives.

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OBPanda
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5 years ago

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Cool. Dig her and what she's doing... But... good God... smile sometime. Only one photo with an almost smirk.

Cathy Binder
Community Member
5 years ago

1) she's posing. you don't know how much or little she smiles in real life. 2) people need to stop telling other people how much to smile. just because someone doesn't smile all the time doesn't mean they're not happy. different folks emote at different levels.

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Hilarious
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5 years ago

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Man/Man

Katri Pfuhl
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5 years ago

Dumb/Dumb

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Aleksandar Kuyumdzhiev
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5 years ago

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A Freak .

Anna Brandigi
Community Member
5 years ago

rude

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Captain Planet
Community Member
5 years ago

Actually I don't really think in genders. But I notice I keep thinking about it because people keep emphasizing on "It's normal/ok to be different! It's normal/ok to be different!" Same as when you keep telling your innocent/pure 3 year old child "It's ok to play with your neighbour's child even though he's black/Asian/African or whatever." Then he will start to think about it. Oh is it ok? or was or should be a problem or special? Even though normally he would just play. WE MAKE it a BIG deal and important. Don't fix a problem in a place there isnt. Th eonly thing you do then is create one. ALOT of people don't understand this or just want attention/money. imo if you really want to change something then speak up when the situation arises when it's needed for example when people discriminate. Start handling specific needed situations/people who offend other and stop obesessively publicly broadcasting how important this is or racism. It's like shooting with a shotgun at 3 targets.

Kagamilia
Community Member
5 years ago

There, someone finally said it. Thank you, Captain.

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Alex K
Community Member
5 years ago

so because she looks like a man, gender doesn't exist? people get stupider every day.

Nanna
Community Member
5 years ago

"she looks like a man" this is what she's trying to get rid of! Who decided that this is the look of a man? This can be the look of a woman and a man.

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Anne Madag
Community Member
5 years ago

Instead of being presented with stereotypes by age, sex, color, class or religion, children must have the opportunity to learn that within each range, some people are loathsome and some are delightful.

Ok Ha-Neul
Community Member
5 years ago

inspiring

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Evelyn Brooks
Community Member
5 years ago

I love this. One, whatever Rain wants to be called, is beautiful as a model in both versions of pics. Like damn. And two, I like how Rain just drifts freely as who Rain wants to be. Very inspiring.

adoracat
Community Member
5 years ago

So VERY much this! She's a beautiful person, whether she's dressed as a male or as a female.

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Sa Pa
Community Member
5 years ago

Gender is a real thing. You are either born with XY chromosomes or XX chromosomes. (Sometimes defects can cause a different combination) But it is not a social construct, it's a part of being human.

Zaira Mendoza
Community Member
5 years ago

Actually, gender is a social construct. What you refer to when talking about the XY and XX chromosome is sex.

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Lara B.
Community Member
5 years ago

Wow! What a beautiful face :-0!! I think Rain looks gorgeous in both picture types. Be whoever you wanna be, Rain!

Anna Brandigi
Community Member
5 years ago

Very sexually confused right now...

Totally Magical Unicorn
Community Member
5 years ago

It's a matter of language. Sex and gender. There are two sexes; male and female. This is necessary for bureaucracy, competition and such. So sex tends to refer to biological differences, while gender more often refers to cultural and social differences and sometimes encompasses a broader range of identities than the binary of male and female.

Bob
Community Member
5 years ago

By the way, everyone is going to take this the wrong way- I think this post is "ignoring differences" like gender. Gender does exist(cont.)

Bob
Community Member
5 years ago

But she fits into a different type. We don't need to pretend it isn't a thing- she should be proud of her difference.

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Kia
Community Member
5 years ago

Human Beings are amazingly wonderful and varied. Rain Dove is a beautiful example of human beauty.

jevais
Community Member
5 years ago

Kia, thank you for bring this to an upper level of understanding. God bless you too!

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Little Menace
Community Member
5 years ago

I have to be honest. She is a better looking guy than girl. I totally like androgynity but I disagree with her saying 'gender doesn't exist'. Maybe not for her but "Hellooo" there is the majority of human kind where it is quite obvious what gender we are. Nature likes it that way so that we can get on reproducing and don't waste precious resources on someone who could be either gender. What a kerfaffle that would be.

Vanessa Bergem
Community Member
5 years ago

She is beautiful as both. Captivating as man or woman.

Sandwich Lover
Community Member
5 years ago

She makes me remember that girl from the anime " Nisekoi " who at firsr was boy, then it was a girl, then a boy again... BTW, I love this!!! :O

MaddySquidCat 7
Community Member
5 years ago

This is so beautiful and inspiring. Keep doing what you want to do with your life, and do what makes you happy, not what makes other people happy.

Teija
Community Member
5 years ago

Just be who you are and do what makes you happy. :) Gender isn't about what you have between your legs.

SnoopyCereal
Community Member
5 years ago

Dear uneducated assholes, SEX is biological (what you have been calling gender in your little chromosome rants). GENDER is your perception of your own sex. You can have male chromosomes but identify as a female (crazy I know). There are still 2 biological SEXES (there is also the 1 in 500 intersex folks, but that's whole other can of worms). Before posting a 'biological' rant, do some research. Or just a google search. Really.

Brian Rea
Community Member
5 years ago

maybe before YOU go on a rant and tell others to google it, you should do the same; and see that sex and gender can be synonyms.

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shanna z
Community Member
5 years ago

While I support transgender people, because folks should be allowed to be whoever they want to be, I always felt a bit sad they anyone felt the need to mutilate their body to match their self-image. I am pleased that the trend seems to be moving towards accepting the "spectrum" of gender identification, free from pigeon-holed demands on behavior or appearence.

Pat
Community Member
5 years ago

Gender is male or female. Why else do they call it gender reassignment. I have seen very masculine women & very feminine men in my 60 yrs. but they were still male or female. Rain is very beautiful no matter how she chooses to dress.

Cerri Dwen
Community Member
5 years ago

s-he is the perfect exemple of why people need to get conscious of gender studies, and social construction of gender roles...

Brian Rea
Community Member
5 years ago

nah, we don't need your sjw BS. As for Rain, as long as she is a decent person I'm all for her doing what makes her happy.

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紫菱 黃
Community Member
5 years ago

I love her. she is awesome.

Diana CrunChewy Watson
Community Member
5 years ago

I love this. There are times when I feel like wearing my cargo shorts and no makeup, and then there are times I want to wear an evening gown and do it up. Most of the time I'm somewhere in the middle. And there's nothing wrong with that.

Mimis Nachbarin
Community Member
5 years ago

Of course genders do exist. It is not a social construct but clearly a biological construct. A very necessary one... But that doens't mean everybody has to fit into one or the other! If you feel you're different or inbetween: go for it, be different, be yourself. Be free and let nobody judge you. You are unique and yes, there are people who love and respect you. Only: pretending there are no genders is beside the point.

Person2638
Community Member
3 years ago

Yes, sexes exist. Your sex is a biological construct, but Rain is using 'gender' as which side you conform to. Everyone has a sex, but not everyone has to fit into a gender.

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Μαρια Ταξιαρχουλα Χατζηηλια
5 years ago

have you ever noticed that all people who say ''you should be yourself, don't listen to others' opinion of you, stay true to who you are'' are people who were in a difficult position and were discriminated against but are successful now? They had been through difficult times yes, but they say those things now because they've found a job in spite of their unique looks. People who are still struggling with being different or unusual try to change how they look or behave because they can't fit in society and are being bullied. Those don't write ''be yourself. you're beautiful'' rants.

T S
Community Member
3 years ago

"Ugly" is an unfitting term for these. I like all of them.

Kathalean Bullock
Community Member
5 years ago

Love the photos, keep them coming. F**k gender, I think you're gorgeous. You're an inspiration. :)

frank0ys
Community Member
5 years ago

...She looks more handsome than me. Beautiful in either way. :)

sans.
Community Member
5 years ago

I want to look like them so bad oh my god. GOALS AF

Deborah R.
Community Member
5 years ago

I love this! Thanks for posting it. And keep on keepin' on!

Iapetos
Community Member
5 years ago

She's handsome.

Kawaii Lemon
Community Member
5 years ago

She looks fine to me

Marie Rundel
Community Member
5 years ago

She is so beautiful! There's no reason to hide...!

SIRiMAC
Community Member
5 years ago

I think she definitely just has a masculine face and build. She is great :)

jacluckycat
Community Member
5 years ago

I love Rain Dove. Her message is so positive and simple - be who you are, despite personal and social pressure. But she is someone who actually practises what she preaches, and makes herself vulnerable so that people struggling under the weight of gender norms have a relatable voice. She does this despite collective mockery and judgment - as you can see in these very comments. Simple-minded people become uncomfortable, and even downright hostile, when presented with something they cannot clearly label and categorize. Rain, please keep flying in the face of ignorance. You are strong, and strength is beauty.

Harris Muhammed
Community Member
5 years ago

Respect... Hats off 😃

Wombat34
Community Member
5 years ago

I don't agree that it's unethical to infer someone's sex from their appearance. This woman so happens to look like a man. If she feels bad about it, that's her problem.

Barbara Berg
Community Member
5 years ago

Just like being gay and coming out and fighting for their rights, I personally feel people like her has the right too to stand up for her kind and make a voice for themselves. We're not all the average norm and those not being the average norm like us they still do share all the same rights we have.

Jazmyn B (Jaz)
Community Member
5 years ago

Oh wow she has amazing talent to do that!

Rosa Greyhound
Community Member
5 years ago

I absolutely love your name btw

Gensuzi
Community Member
5 years ago

Sooo please please PLEASE someone explain me... she has a beautiful body, great breasts great body again... but did she has a pen*s ?! If she has e pen*s she is trans-sexual great looking ... right ? If she has a vagina she`s a woman and a beautiful woman indeed :S i`m a little confused :(

Susan Forbes
Community Member
5 years ago

She's a woman who has an androgynous appearance who was often mistaken for a man and she has now embraced that quality

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Sarah Blanche Brinsfield
Community Member
5 years ago

Rain Dove, I love you!

Galeanthropy2017
Community Member
5 years ago

Beautiful either way.

Susan O'Keeffe
Community Member
5 years ago

This person is beautiful

Madison Unger
Community Member
5 years ago

This was really inspiring, I really like what Rain is doing! :}

Aleksandar Kuyumdzhiev
Community Member
5 years ago

What is so inspiring? Did she cure cancer or just modeling? Cuz people at labs trying to fix global warming and diseases and energy solutions are getting 0 attention. But this is inspiring... More people into science is inspiring, this is bullshit.

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B
Community Member
3 days ago

I think that androgeny is to do more with psychology rather than presentation. As an androgynous person I have a female body, but I have a different rational. I am very protective and like to provide for my wife. I wear less feminine clothes because it’s how I feel comfortable. That said, I am very empathetic and like the fact that I am a woman. I would say that an androgynous person is adaptable mentally rather than conforming o any particular role assigned to gender.

Michel Simov
Community Member
3 years ago

If she wanted to become ftm, she wouldn't even need testosterone lol! Incidentally, I'm a post-surgical ftm and I'm really jealous. I'd exchange my classically beautiful female face for hers any day. But the statement that gender is a social construct bla bla bla is plain silly. At the end of the day, we've all got penises and vaginas. Even transgender folk who get surgery want to get the most naturalistic-looking penis or vagina. They don't get surgeries to get a third gender alien tentacles for genitals.

T S
Community Member
3 years ago (edited)

I admire them with intense interest.

Obby Hans
Community Member
4 years ago

People doesnt relly understnd the power of creation we are being created to live as human beings with a specific gender...There is only two of us in this world thats a MAN/MALE and WOMAN/FEMALE meaning doesnt matter you are UGLY, BEAUTIFUL, HANDSOME ,WEIRD BEING or whatsoever as long long as you have a penis then you are a male and you have a vagina then you are a female...we always trying to motivate people like "Never trying to listen to peoples' saying about you" and why we accept people judging how our faces look like and trying to act like its okay to be a man if you are a woman who's ugly.. NEVER EVER change the way you are born to be dont let people influence you dont emotions influence you and its okay if you are a male to have feeling to another male but those are juat feelings not the way you are born...also if you are a woman dont date another woman just because you do feel for them its just a feeling its not the way you are born to be... trust your well being. PEACE:)

Susie Zander
Community Member
5 years ago

I think she is beautiful

Aušrinė Kuzaitė
Community Member
5 years ago

well....sorry to upset, but genders DO exist...and I think if doctors would test her genome and hormones they would find something that would be the reason of her looks. I mean she looks great as a human person in general. But it is not the reason to spread these absolute anti gender ideas...what if most people feel very good in their gender? minorities should always have equal rights and be respected, but it should never influence how whole other society see themselves...it is just not fare. I am a women and I like to be and act like one, it is a pleasure, not a burden.

Artur Niedzielski
Community Member
5 years ago

What do you mean by gender stereotypes? Do we have more than two genders or something has changed on this planet?

Person2638
Community Member
3 years ago

Gender stereotypes as in men are stronger and powerful, women are delicate little beings, men are dominative feelingless beings and women are submissive emotional little ones, yada yada yada.

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Bogdan
Community Member
5 years ago

Horror...I don't get it.

Pamela Lopour
Community Member
5 years ago

What beauty.

Melody McGinn
Community Member
5 years ago

She should start a new wave band.

Melody McGinn
Community Member
5 years ago

She should start a new wave band.

Mayra Blu
Community Member
5 years ago

It's interesting how she looks like a man when dressed as a woman and vice versa (looking like a woman when dressed as a man). But tbh clothes shouldn't and do not define us. We just gotta be what we are, if you feel like a woman you are a woman and if you feel like a man you are a man I guess. Of course if you're gender fluid or non binary SURE BE MY GUEST!! Be what you be, ain't nobody telling ya you can't..

Sophie Renda
Community Member
1 year ago (edited)

Many people, in fact, ARE telling us we can't. But I agree with the rest of your comment.

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