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Woman Refuses To Cancel Long-Planned Cruise Despite Family Pleas To Stay Home To Help With Newborn
Woman Refuses To Cancel Long-Planned Cruise Despite Family Pleas To Stay Home To Help With Newborn
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Woman Refuses To Cancel Long-Planned Cruise Despite Family Pleas To Stay Home To Help With Newborn

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Some of life’s biggest joys are even sweeter when shared with family, like planning a dream vacation with cousins or announcing a new addition to the family. But what happens when those two collide? What if you find yourself wanting to be in two places at once?  

That’s exactly what happened when one person’s long-planned Disney cruise suddenly became the center of an unexpected family feud. Their brother and pregnant SIL were counting on their mom for support during the birth, but when they realized she’d be away just weeks before the due date, tensions exploded. Now, the family is torn over whether the trip should be canceled or carried on as planned.  

Keep reading to dive into the drama and don’t forget to check out our interview with Hebamme (midwife) Christina Büchl from Germany, who shares insights on pregnancy support and family expectations.

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    Cruise scheduled before pregnancy announcement, with induction in May; timing issues realized recently.

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    Midwifery is a common and essential profession in many countries, providing crucial support during pregnancy, childbirth, and postpartum care

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    Bringing a baby into the world is one of the most exciting, overwhelming, and downright life-changing experiences ever. It’s a mix of pure joy, a little chaos, and a whole lot of learning on the go. With so many changes, physically, emotionally, and in everyday life, it helps to have a strong support system to lean on. From pregnancy checkups to those first few months of adjusting to life with a newborn, having the right guidance can make all the difference.

    That’s why many countries have midwives who offer essential care and support to parents not just during pregnancy and childbirth, but also through the crucial postpartum period. Unlike doctors, midwives focus on a more personalized and holistic approach, ensuring that both the baby and the parents feel supported. They offer medical care, emotional reassurance, and practical advice, helping families transition into their new reality with confidence.

    To understand this better, we spoke with Christina Büchl, a midwife (Hebamme) from Germany who has over 20 years of experience in the field. She has worked closely with expecting and new parents, offering expert guidance on everything from prenatal care to breastfeeding support. She shared insights into the role midwives play, why their presence is so valuable, and how families can benefit from their expertise.

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    “Midwives usually operate within a specific area so they can easily do home visits after the baby is born,” Christina explained. “For prenatal checkups, some midwives visit expectant parents at home, while others ask them to come to their practice, if they have one. It depends on the midwife’s setup and the family’s needs.”

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    “We typically support families until the baby is about three months old,” she added. “However, our services can extend beyond that. Some parents still reach out to us for advice when introducing solids, taking their first trip with the baby, or even weaning from breastfeeding. The goal is to provide guidance whenever it’s needed.”

    Midwives offer a range of essential services to ensure a smooth pregnancy and postpartum period. “During prenatal care, we help parents prepare for birth by monitoring the baby’s development, offering birthing classes, and addressing any concerns they might have,” Christina shared.

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    After the baby arrives, parents need even more support as they navigate newborn care, recovery, and adjusting to their new routine

    Their role doesn’t stop at childbirth. “Once the baby arrives, postnatal care becomes just as important,” she emphasized. “New parents need all the support they can get, whether it’s learning how to bathe a newborn, getting breastfeeding assistance, or simply having someone reassure them that they’re doing okay.”

    In Germany, health insurance covers midwifery services, making it easier for families to access care without financial burden. “This allows parents to focus on their baby without worrying about additional costs,” Christina explained. “It ensures that every family regardless of their financial situation has access to quality postpartum care.”

    At the end of the day, midwives are there to ease the transition into parenthood. “We try to make things as easy as possible so parents can enjoy these first few months instead of feeling overwhelmed,” Christina said. “Having a baby is a big change, but with the right support, it becomes a more manageable and joyful experience.”

    In this particular case, the author’s brother and sister-in-law expected their mother to help during this important time. But does that mean she should cancel a long-planned vacation to be available just in case? Was it fair to expect her to change her plans, or should personal commitments take priority? What do you think?

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    Many people online pointed out that the situation largely stemmed from a misunderstanding and poor communication

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    LWatt
    Community Member
    Premium
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sounds like they can't afford to threaten, "irreparable damage" to the relationship if they depend on her so much.

    Anna Drever
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The moment they need a free babysitter they’ll suddenly be ok with Grandma helping again.

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    PeakyBlinder
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Their Baby is not your moms problem, she is under no obligation to provide free child care or plan her life around their needs. And why are they having another Baby if they have money problems and already one disabled child? And then expect other people to sollen their Problems...And mom will help anyway as soon as she is back...

    Monica G
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They want a healthy sibling to care for the disabled one when they are gone.

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    barbara Nivens
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Mom didn't know when you planned your trip. Sil and your brother overreacted imo. I'm shocked at people saying mom is YTA for not cancelling a trip when they demanded it. They have time to make arrangements. Both of you enjoy yourselves. And let me guess...mom is supposed to provide free, full time child care for them?

    FreeTheUnicorn
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Stop having kids if you can't take care of them.

    Sarah Kathrin Matsoukis
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If they have to rely on others for, presumably free, childcare they shouldn't have children.

    David L
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Severely disabled child, high risk pregnancy, small support group! Dubious life choices? Sounds like Granny needs to get a holiday now because it'll be a long time until the next one.

    Laura A Ivett
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Anyone saying ESH, or YTA are trash. That cruise was booked before the pregnancy was announced, and it is not anyone's responsibility to do anything for the brother or SIL, except for the brother and SIL. The nerve of them expecting them to cancel a cruise so they can babysit is mind-boggling. That baby is nobody's problem except for the parents

    LakotaWolf (she/her)
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Y'all have probably seen me mention before that I'm adopted. My adoptive parents have a biological daughter who was 6 years old at the time of my birth. My family lived/still lives in California. My biological mother lived/lives in Iowa. My adoptive parents flew out to Iowa right before my birth in order to be present for my birth, to support my bio mom, and also to, you know, actually adopt me and bring me back to California XD They asked my grandmother (mom's mom) to babysit my older sister while they were in Iowa. I guarantee you that, if my grandma hadn't been able to do so (for whatever reason), my parents would have found another babysitter. Luckily, my grandmother didn't have any cruises booked for that time period, because otherwise I wouldn't have gotten my awesome name (true story, my parents couldn't think of a name for me at birth, so they called my grandma to ask for suggestions, and she looked up at her chandelier and said "Name her Crystal!")

    Trillian
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Lol that's how I used to find my office passwords. Looking around my desk 'mousepad123 it is'

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    Janelle Collard
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    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "Irreparable Damage?" Really? SIL's playing *that* card? If I were OP's mom, I'd tell her: "Being threatened by you has caused irreparable damage to OUR relationship. Find different childcare." And go NC with them.

    Kristina Cowan
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I voted this up because sometimes, we have manipulative or self-entitled family members, if this is the case. If OP had already made a promise but now she's skipping out and knew what she was doing, then that's not okay... But as it sounds, pregnancy was announced after cruise and she would be back before the birth available to help if she decided to do that or offered. Not anti-family, so much as making healthy boundaries with family.

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    Eline
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    people having kids should stop thinking that their family and friends are baby-sitters. Just because i love you does not mean i have to stop living as i want to take care of a decision you made.

    Kristina Cowan
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Makes perfect sense, unless you were wanting to be a extra caregiver, which is great if that's what you volunteered, it's really their choice that they made.

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    Lee Gilliland
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    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It sounds to me like they are accustomed to mom's free help and getting a wee bit demanding about it. No other childcare options with FIVE months notification? I don't think they looked that hard. I raised a kid myself, alone, without relatives. It was hell, but it can be done.

    Ken
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    No one (not even family) has any obligation to care for the children YOU choose to have. If you can't afford to care for them 100% on your own, don't have them. You are extremely lucky if anyone offers to assist. Don't expect that assistance to last forever or be on your timeline. Always show gratitude and watch for the helper to show signs of exhaustion. Even if you are exhausted, you are obligated to step up to take over.

    Dog Mom to Zoe
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm actually surprised that they would opt to have another child when the 1st one, as stated, has "severe disabilities". Having a child is no one's responsibility except for the parents. Sure, nice to have a support system but that support system should NOT evolve around your choices.

    Charity Angel
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Same - I can't understand this mentality at all. I get the feeling the new baby will end up being parentified.

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    Crystalwitch60
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    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Erm as a mum aged 60 when I had my two kids 23-20 now all I had when second was born was my husband same as with first to no extended family well none I’d have left em with ! I left our eldest then aged three with a neighbour when I went in to have the youngest I was in n out in in 12 hours and I was 39 at the time ! No village helped me I choose to have my kids it’s not down to others to ask how high when entitled parents say jump ! this woman is a selfish b***h ! High risk pregnancy after a disabled child now throwing the Karen of all tantrums cos it doesn’t suit her well lady loads of us don’t have the luxury of extended family ! and I’ve been a lone mum for 13 yrs and disabled and I’m still doing it on my own !! OP NTA GO N HAVE A WONDERFUL HOLIDAY do not feel guilty it was planned before the pregnancy so entitled b***h can suck it up lol a neighbour can sit the oldest lass unless her Karen acts have pushed them all away ! Blessed be n is there room for a little one lmao ie me 😂

    Katie Manning
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Everyone talking about how they have plenty of time to "make arrangements..." What arrangements? They're the parents, they ARE the arrangements!

    roddy
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Given that the trip is being taken with extended family, there is very little possibility of rescheduling everyone to a later date. SIL is being unrealistic. If she has any friends (unlikely, given her attitude) maybe they can step up in the relatively unlikely event of the baby coming early. If m-i-l cancels only to sit around feeling shortchanged and baby is not early, that will certainly not improve their relationship.

    Orysha
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Don't negotiate with terrorists. Granny should reply since you're unable to take care of your own child you should have considered abortion or adoption, my cruise would be now 2 months and maybe 2 years if I enjoy it. .

    Denise B.
    Community Member
    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "Don't do the crime if you can't do the time."

    Pixie T
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The irony calling ops mum selfish and irresponsible when it sounds like they aren't in a stable position to be having a 2nd child to begin with. They are the ones being selfish towards the 5 year old and ops mum by demanding her time.

    GlitterPanda
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It is 100% not the mom's responsibility to help with the baby. Sure, I'm sure she would want to, and it is really great when grandparents can help, but that is not her baby.

    Denise Melek
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    How about not breeding unless your life is stable enough to support yourself?

    Nina
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Why the f**k can't two parents of a newborn look after their bloody newborn? Why is their kid everyone's f*****g newborn now?

    Just stopping by
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Irreparable damage?😂😂😂😂😂 they would get laughed out of my face and house with that nonsense. What are they going to do withhold the grandchild that their relying on her to watch?? Go ahead because clearly they have other and more reliable options.🤷🏽‍♀️

    Katie Manning
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm sorry, but this is ridiculous. What would the son and SIL do if OP's mother had also passed away? Or if she lived on the other side of the country like so many of our grandparents did when we were growing up? OP's mother could drop dead of a heart attack tomorrow. Then what's their game plan?

    Craig Reynolds
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Seriously, what kind of entitlement level is it to expect others to be there for a child you chose to have? Did they get a say in your procreation plans? If not, why should they be responsible to help you care for a choice you made that they had no say in? Family is NOT automatic childcare.

    Michelle Randazzo
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Brother and sister in law are the A*****e.

    Cronecast AtTheRisingMoon
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The expectant couple shouldn’t be throwing around words like irreparable damage, there’s no reason to resort to threatening dire consequences. They also need a backup anyway in case of illness, injury, what have you. If their disabled child needs care, then they need more than one option to be safe. I admit, I would change the plan just because Disney will allow it and there are extenuating circumstances ( last child’s birth coincided with a pandemic and a death, I bet tensIon is high) but when you need someone to help you, threatening them is a not a good choice.

    Ruth Watry
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Probably too late to change the cruise, and mom will probably be out thousands of dollars.

    Trillian
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Grown adults having meltdowns like this, is that really a thing? I have never in my life seen that happen.

    Orysha
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Oh yeah it happens all the time and pregnant women are not even the worst of them. Politicians in my country have bigger meltdowns when they are punished for their crimes (not often enough) You are so lucky.

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    Jay Cee
    Community Member
    3 weeks ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So how would they have managed if Mom had been involved in a car crash and was in hospital herself? Or maybe had a contagious illness like Covid? Having No Plan B is the expecting parents' fault not Mom's.

    Damien McDallydally
    Community Member
    5 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Saying 'i'll help' does not mean 'i'll be a babysitter during birth' or even 'i'll be helping during child birth'. All it means is 'i will help babysitting now and again after the child is born'. Sounds like mom said she'd help with general babysitting after birth, and they just heard 'FREE BABYSITTER WHENEVER IS CONVENIENT FOR US'.. That's 100% on them. Clearest case of NTA in a long while.

    Kristina Cowan
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA, if she gets back before the birth, couldn't she decide to help from that point on? I'm guessing with the high risk pregnancy, sister in law would have more nursing support but I guess it depends on health insurance given.

    Debby Keir
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Something similar happened to me - was going on a 'farewell' cruise from UK to Singapore, where the boat was going to permanently relocate. Daughter announced her pregnancy (she lived in the US at that time) As the cruise covered the due date, I cancelled. Yes, lost money (and had to buy tickets to the US) but you only have one family (and first grandchild)

    Litepanda
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think it's funny you old farts here think you're responding to these people and don't realize this is just someone farming reddit for content to post here

    roddy
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Frankly, I don't think anyone cares. You'll understand better when you grow up.

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    Lyoness
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    9 months ago

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    Of course Mom isn't obligated to change her plans, but bottom line, she promised to be there. Two weeks before a due date is cutting it way too close and she could absolutely bring back germs. And really, a cruise should be way less important than keeping her word and helping her son and her DIL when they need her. But this should all have been hammered out months ago. It's just cr*ppy communication on all sides.

    LakotaWolf (she/her)
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The cruise was booked before the pregnancy was even announced, though.

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    LWatt
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    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sounds like they can't afford to threaten, "irreparable damage" to the relationship if they depend on her so much.

    Anna Drever
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    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The moment they need a free babysitter they’ll suddenly be ok with Grandma helping again.

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    PeakyBlinder
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    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Their Baby is not your moms problem, she is under no obligation to provide free child care or plan her life around their needs. And why are they having another Baby if they have money problems and already one disabled child? And then expect other people to sollen their Problems...And mom will help anyway as soon as she is back...

    Monica G
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    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They want a healthy sibling to care for the disabled one when they are gone.

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    barbara Nivens
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    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Mom didn't know when you planned your trip. Sil and your brother overreacted imo. I'm shocked at people saying mom is YTA for not cancelling a trip when they demanded it. They have time to make arrangements. Both of you enjoy yourselves. And let me guess...mom is supposed to provide free, full time child care for them?

    FreeTheUnicorn
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Stop having kids if you can't take care of them.

    Sarah Kathrin Matsoukis
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If they have to rely on others for, presumably free, childcare they shouldn't have children.

    David L
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Severely disabled child, high risk pregnancy, small support group! Dubious life choices? Sounds like Granny needs to get a holiday now because it'll be a long time until the next one.

    Laura A Ivett
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Anyone saying ESH, or YTA are trash. That cruise was booked before the pregnancy was announced, and it is not anyone's responsibility to do anything for the brother or SIL, except for the brother and SIL. The nerve of them expecting them to cancel a cruise so they can babysit is mind-boggling. That baby is nobody's problem except for the parents

    LakotaWolf (she/her)
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Y'all have probably seen me mention before that I'm adopted. My adoptive parents have a biological daughter who was 6 years old at the time of my birth. My family lived/still lives in California. My biological mother lived/lives in Iowa. My adoptive parents flew out to Iowa right before my birth in order to be present for my birth, to support my bio mom, and also to, you know, actually adopt me and bring me back to California XD They asked my grandmother (mom's mom) to babysit my older sister while they were in Iowa. I guarantee you that, if my grandma hadn't been able to do so (for whatever reason), my parents would have found another babysitter. Luckily, my grandmother didn't have any cruises booked for that time period, because otherwise I wouldn't have gotten my awesome name (true story, my parents couldn't think of a name for me at birth, so they called my grandma to ask for suggestions, and she looked up at her chandelier and said "Name her Crystal!")

    Trillian
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Lol that's how I used to find my office passwords. Looking around my desk 'mousepad123 it is'

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    Janelle Collard
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    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "Irreparable Damage?" Really? SIL's playing *that* card? If I were OP's mom, I'd tell her: "Being threatened by you has caused irreparable damage to OUR relationship. Find different childcare." And go NC with them.

    Kristina Cowan
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I voted this up because sometimes, we have manipulative or self-entitled family members, if this is the case. If OP had already made a promise but now she's skipping out and knew what she was doing, then that's not okay... But as it sounds, pregnancy was announced after cruise and she would be back before the birth available to help if she decided to do that or offered. Not anti-family, so much as making healthy boundaries with family.

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    Eline
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    people having kids should stop thinking that their family and friends are baby-sitters. Just because i love you does not mean i have to stop living as i want to take care of a decision you made.

    Kristina Cowan
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Makes perfect sense, unless you were wanting to be a extra caregiver, which is great if that's what you volunteered, it's really their choice that they made.

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    Lee Gilliland
    Community Member
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    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It sounds to me like they are accustomed to mom's free help and getting a wee bit demanding about it. No other childcare options with FIVE months notification? I don't think they looked that hard. I raised a kid myself, alone, without relatives. It was hell, but it can be done.

    Ken
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    No one (not even family) has any obligation to care for the children YOU choose to have. If you can't afford to care for them 100% on your own, don't have them. You are extremely lucky if anyone offers to assist. Don't expect that assistance to last forever or be on your timeline. Always show gratitude and watch for the helper to show signs of exhaustion. Even if you are exhausted, you are obligated to step up to take over.

    Dog Mom to Zoe
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm actually surprised that they would opt to have another child when the 1st one, as stated, has "severe disabilities". Having a child is no one's responsibility except for the parents. Sure, nice to have a support system but that support system should NOT evolve around your choices.

    Charity Angel
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Same - I can't understand this mentality at all. I get the feeling the new baby will end up being parentified.

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    Crystalwitch60
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Erm as a mum aged 60 when I had my two kids 23-20 now all I had when second was born was my husband same as with first to no extended family well none I’d have left em with ! I left our eldest then aged three with a neighbour when I went in to have the youngest I was in n out in in 12 hours and I was 39 at the time ! No village helped me I choose to have my kids it’s not down to others to ask how high when entitled parents say jump ! this woman is a selfish b***h ! High risk pregnancy after a disabled child now throwing the Karen of all tantrums cos it doesn’t suit her well lady loads of us don’t have the luxury of extended family ! and I’ve been a lone mum for 13 yrs and disabled and I’m still doing it on my own !! OP NTA GO N HAVE A WONDERFUL HOLIDAY do not feel guilty it was planned before the pregnancy so entitled b***h can suck it up lol a neighbour can sit the oldest lass unless her Karen acts have pushed them all away ! Blessed be n is there room for a little one lmao ie me 😂

    Katie Manning
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Everyone talking about how they have plenty of time to "make arrangements..." What arrangements? They're the parents, they ARE the arrangements!

    roddy
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Given that the trip is being taken with extended family, there is very little possibility of rescheduling everyone to a later date. SIL is being unrealistic. If she has any friends (unlikely, given her attitude) maybe they can step up in the relatively unlikely event of the baby coming early. If m-i-l cancels only to sit around feeling shortchanged and baby is not early, that will certainly not improve their relationship.

    Orysha
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Don't negotiate with terrorists. Granny should reply since you're unable to take care of your own child you should have considered abortion or adoption, my cruise would be now 2 months and maybe 2 years if I enjoy it. .

    Denise B.
    Community Member
    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "Don't do the crime if you can't do the time."

    Pixie T
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The irony calling ops mum selfish and irresponsible when it sounds like they aren't in a stable position to be having a 2nd child to begin with. They are the ones being selfish towards the 5 year old and ops mum by demanding her time.

    GlitterPanda
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It is 100% not the mom's responsibility to help with the baby. Sure, I'm sure she would want to, and it is really great when grandparents can help, but that is not her baby.

    Denise Melek
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    How about not breeding unless your life is stable enough to support yourself?

    Nina
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Why the f**k can't two parents of a newborn look after their bloody newborn? Why is their kid everyone's f*****g newborn now?

    Just stopping by
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Irreparable damage?😂😂😂😂😂 they would get laughed out of my face and house with that nonsense. What are they going to do withhold the grandchild that their relying on her to watch?? Go ahead because clearly they have other and more reliable options.🤷🏽‍♀️

    Katie Manning
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm sorry, but this is ridiculous. What would the son and SIL do if OP's mother had also passed away? Or if she lived on the other side of the country like so many of our grandparents did when we were growing up? OP's mother could drop dead of a heart attack tomorrow. Then what's their game plan?

    Craig Reynolds
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Seriously, what kind of entitlement level is it to expect others to be there for a child you chose to have? Did they get a say in your procreation plans? If not, why should they be responsible to help you care for a choice you made that they had no say in? Family is NOT automatic childcare.

    Michelle Randazzo
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Brother and sister in law are the A*****e.

    Cronecast AtTheRisingMoon
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The expectant couple shouldn’t be throwing around words like irreparable damage, there’s no reason to resort to threatening dire consequences. They also need a backup anyway in case of illness, injury, what have you. If their disabled child needs care, then they need more than one option to be safe. I admit, I would change the plan just because Disney will allow it and there are extenuating circumstances ( last child’s birth coincided with a pandemic and a death, I bet tensIon is high) but when you need someone to help you, threatening them is a not a good choice.

    Ruth Watry
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Probably too late to change the cruise, and mom will probably be out thousands of dollars.

    Trillian
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Grown adults having meltdowns like this, is that really a thing? I have never in my life seen that happen.

    Orysha
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Oh yeah it happens all the time and pregnant women are not even the worst of them. Politicians in my country have bigger meltdowns when they are punished for their crimes (not often enough) You are so lucky.

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    Jay Cee
    Community Member
    3 weeks ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So how would they have managed if Mom had been involved in a car crash and was in hospital herself? Or maybe had a contagious illness like Covid? Having No Plan B is the expecting parents' fault not Mom's.

    Damien McDallydally
    Community Member
    5 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Saying 'i'll help' does not mean 'i'll be a babysitter during birth' or even 'i'll be helping during child birth'. All it means is 'i will help babysitting now and again after the child is born'. Sounds like mom said she'd help with general babysitting after birth, and they just heard 'FREE BABYSITTER WHENEVER IS CONVENIENT FOR US'.. That's 100% on them. Clearest case of NTA in a long while.

    Kristina Cowan
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA, if she gets back before the birth, couldn't she decide to help from that point on? I'm guessing with the high risk pregnancy, sister in law would have more nursing support but I guess it depends on health insurance given.

    Debby Keir
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Something similar happened to me - was going on a 'farewell' cruise from UK to Singapore, where the boat was going to permanently relocate. Daughter announced her pregnancy (she lived in the US at that time) As the cruise covered the due date, I cancelled. Yes, lost money (and had to buy tickets to the US) but you only have one family (and first grandchild)

    Litepanda
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think it's funny you old farts here think you're responding to these people and don't realize this is just someone farming reddit for content to post here

    roddy
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Frankly, I don't think anyone cares. You'll understand better when you grow up.

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    Lyoness
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    9 months ago

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    Of course Mom isn't obligated to change her plans, but bottom line, she promised to be there. Two weeks before a due date is cutting it way too close and she could absolutely bring back germs. And really, a cruise should be way less important than keeping her word and helping her son and her DIL when they need her. But this should all have been hammered out months ago. It's just cr*ppy communication on all sides.

    LakotaWolf (she/her)
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The cruise was booked before the pregnancy was even announced, though.

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