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Employee Loses It When Coworker Stops Delivering Lunches Because Of Him, Gets Terminated
Young woman holding a lunch bag while looking at her phone, representing coworker stops picking up lunches due to entitlement.

Employee Loses It When Coworker Stops Delivering Lunches Because Of Him, Gets Terminated

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As children, we were all taught to be kind to one another. What our elders don’t teach us, however, is that kindness has its pitfalls. 

Some people may take advantage of the goodwill you show them, as this employee experienced with their coworkers. All of this happened because the person chose to stand up for their moral and religious beliefs. 

After enduring harsh bullying, the author had a satisfying ending to their story. Scroll through to find out what happened.

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    Young woman holding a paper lunch bag and looking at her phone, illustrating workplace entitlement and lunch conflict.

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    It began after the person offered to pick up everyone’s lunches from a specific restaurant

    Text excerpt about coworker stopping picking up lunches due to entitlement, leading to confrontation with police.

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    Text excerpt about coworker pickup lunch entitlement issue involving coworkers and office orders.

    Text slide showing a numbered rule about ordering from only one restaurant per day at work related to lunch pickups.

    Text excerpt discussing refusal to order from certain forbidden restaurants due to moral principles, causing conflict with coworker.

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    Text explaining lunch order rounding and payment options, addressing coworker entitlement and police involvement.

    Text excerpt explaining a coworker's continued attempts to influence lunch restaurant choices despite objections.

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    Things got heated after one coworker and the vice president escalated the situation

    Office drama unfolds after coworker stops picking up lunches due to perceived entitlement, leading to a confrontation with police.

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    Email text about canceling lunch club after dropping off orders related to coworker entitlement and lunch pickups.

    Text on a white background about a workplace lunch club disbanding due to moral objections and entitlement issues.

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    Text message explaining refund for prepaid lunch orders and stating no lunch pickups on most Sundays.

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    Text excerpt about making money to cover daily lunch costing around fifteen to sixteen dollars on good days.

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    Practicing reciprocity can actually create tension, especially with unclear communication

    In theory, showing an act of kindness gets you in the good graces of everyone around you. But as we mentioned in our intro, it has its pitfalls, particularly in the concept of reciprocity. 

    As workplace and career expert Will Steward tells Bored Panda, “reciprocity creep” can create tension, especially when there is no clear communication. 

    “It turns a one‑off favor into an unwritten rule, and no one clarifies who actually owns the task,” he explained. 

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    “Role ambiguity means the most agreeable person defaults into organizing, while power dynamics make juniors and underrepresented employees more likely to keep saying yes to seem cooperative.” 

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    The employee eventually found themselves in a sticky situation when the “lunch club” grew in size and upper management became involved. Their boundaries were stepped over in the process. 

    Steward says a mindset shift from “I’m letting the team down” to “I’m protecting a proper break so I can do my job well and share chores fairly” is one way to uphold these boundaries without damaging workplace morale. 

    But of course, upholding harmony is a collective effort. Steward suggested practical approaches, such as shifting such favors from “nice-to-do” to “fair-to-share,” with a few defaults everyone can see. 

    “Make logistics opt‑in and time‑boxed, set a rotating organizer so no one does it more than about once a month, use a clear cut‑off time, and default to group payment links so nobody fronts money or chases tips,” he said. 

    The author provided more information in their story

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    Text on a white background reads I emailed and spoke with the owner of the company I am basically in the clear.

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    Text excerpt discussing workplace conflicts over lunches and entitlement leading to a heated reaction met with the police.

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    Some people sided with the employee

    Workplace conflict as coworker stops picking up lunches, leading to entitlement issues and a police encounter.

    Reddit comment about entitlement and coworkers reacting after lunch pickup stops, sparking conflict with the police involved.

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    However, others called them out for “imposing their restrictions” on others

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    Commenter calls out coworker's entitlement and conflict after stops picking up lunches, leading to police involvement.

    The author provided an update

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    After things got physical with a coworker at one point, the story ended satisfyingly for them

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    People didn’t hold back with their reactions after learning how things played out

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    Jenna Kay
    Community Member
    1 week ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    For the YTA people out there - OP never had to do this in the first place. They are not policing what people eat, they are not infringing on anyone's rights, they were literally saying, hey, I am willing to go to X restaurant today and if you want something from there, I'll pick it up for you. No one was forced to order!

    Aroace tiger (she/they/he)
    Community Member
    1 week ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Surely if anything trying to force OP to go to these restaurants is attempting to infringe on OPs freedom and rights?

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    Ryan-James O'Driscoll
    Community Member
    1 week ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is a fantasy written by someone on Reddit with far too much time on their hands. It's the same sort of weird and implausible scenario and a conclusion of "I won and someone did something completely unhinged that got them consequences" that is a laughable trope of Reddit stories. People don't go to AITA anymore to actually ask that. They go there to make content. Can make a bingo card out of it.

    K Barnes
    Community Member
    1 week ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I agree with you that most of these posts are not about getting people's opinions, they're about getting engagement and making content. Some might have a nugget of truth in them, some might be largely true, and many are totally fake.

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    Kate Johnson
    Community Member
    Premium
    1 week ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The YTA are sure mentally defective on this one. OP did the right thing.

    J. Maxx
    Community Member
    1 week ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The YTA folks sure are a******s, and it doesn't matter what the topic is.

    Tabitha
    Community Member
    1 week ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I suspect the YTAs are the disgruntled coworkers who are to d****d lazy to get —-or bring—-their own d****d lunches.

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    Min
    Community Member
    Premium
    1 week ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is why we can't have nice things.

    brittany
    Community Member
    1 week ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    for what it's worth, i had a thin crust pizza with alfredo base, mozzerella cheese, chicken spinach and pineapple

    Debby Keir
    Community Member
    1 week ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Ok, Brit here - have never seen nor eaten at many of the fast food places mentioned, but why is Chick a filet banned? What did they do? Just curious - are they owned by Nestle or something?

    Multa Nocte (she/her/8647)
    Community Member
    Premium
    1 week ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They are overly religious and actively anti-gay.

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    Bubblebee
    Community Member
    1 week ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    All the main issues aside, this doesn't make much sense to me: why would anyone eat so much takeout that they had to rely on a colleague bringing food from restaurants each day? This might be a cultural difference but nobody in their right mind would do this where I live. I don't know, is that a norm anywhere? Eating out every day? Have people really stopped cooking and a mail on Saturday makes it impossible for them to have food on Monday? 😳

    Michael Largey
    Community Member
    1 week ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I've worked at a lot of places where one person does a lunch run for all. One place was a security monitoring company where they could not afford to have more than one person out of the building. You worked through your lunch hour. (They made up for this by by paying you for 8.5 hours working on an 8 hour shift.)

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    marianne eliza
    Community Member
    1 week ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Is it in your job description that you must fetch lunch? Only doing it out of kindness? Then NTA. You were a nice person and others tried to take advantage of your good nature.

    brittany
    Community Member
    1 week ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    for what it is worth, i had a thin crust pizza with alfredo sauce base, mozzarella cheese chicken spinach and pineapple

    Mike F
    Community Member
    1 week ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    There's always one. Way back the Office Manager (a dour old woman) brought donuts every Friday, It was just a "her" thing. The company sold a couple of times and the last bunch of owners included a silver spooner who was disliked by one and all, but he decided that Laura's donuts didn't include enough variety (gritching). "How about some filled ones, etc. Then he decided, unilaterally, that we would rotate the Friday treats that he seemed to forget on his days. Moral of the story: don't fix what ain't broke.

    Jess Barbosa
    Community Member
    1 week ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    bigot chicken, lol. love it. the ire over the assumption the boycott was for religious reasons rather than humanitarian ones is... unsurprising.

    Andie Day
    Community Member
    1 week ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Bigot chicken!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

    Roni Stone
    Community Member
    Premium
    1 week ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "Bigot chicken." A new one to add to my ChikFilA lexicon. I stopped putting my money into the bigot pockets of their mgmt years ago. Glad to see others hold it is such low ethical esteem, as well.

    Granny's Thoughts
    Community Member
    Premium
    1 week ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I cannot believe that some people think OP is the AH here. She was being really nice, very thoughtful really. Her not wanting to do any business with just 2 restaurants was not forcing the other people from not going to those businesses themselves. What entitled people some people are. I guess there are a lot of AH's out there.

    Thanos'Fingers
    Community Member
    1 week ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That's amazing coworker would pick a fight on the way out the building after being fired with police presence. Almost unbelievably amazing. He assaulted OP, and then was just allowed to walk away? If someone slaps your paid lunch from your hands, they are giving you explicit permission to break their nose and then press charges. They are practically begging.

    Sven Horlemann
    Community Member
    1 week ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I learned to not volunteer anything for anyone. And guess what - you are left alone.

    nmv33
    Community Member
    1 week ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Don’t do favors for anyone unless is an emergency. They are old enough to bring or purchase their own food. The day you stop doing them favors they’ll treat you like you are a bad person.

    R Dennis
    Community Member
    1 week ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The YTAs out here always making sure I know there are a lot of s****y people in the world...

    Lily Anne
    Community Member
    1 week ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Why do some people avoid this restaurant, Chick’A’Fil?Some political problems?

    Aroace tiger (she/they/he)
    Community Member
    1 week ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If i remember correctly, they donate noney towards anti-lgbt organisations, i don't know anything more than that unfortunately

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    Fatmeow
    Community Member
    1 week ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    She's miiiiiighty special.

    NJP
    Community Member
    1 week ago

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    And you wonder why Americans all cry they have no money; lunch out everyday, Starbucks everyday, multiple cable TV subscriptions, Amazon Prime, etc.

    nottheactualphoto
    Community Member
    1 week ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yup. All Americans, everywhere, of every demographic.

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    PenguinEmp
    Community Member
    1 week ago

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    I understand that you want to be compensated for your time but rounding is a no no. All you have to do is 'I'll pick up lunch as long as it's not from x. Anyone interested?' Then if people want to order let them. Don't ask for extra money or stuff. Otherwise let people get their own food.

    Bobby
    Community Member
    1 week ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So she is supposed to calculate the exact price each person owes plus tax? This is USA based, we don't include tax in our prices. We only include the total tax for the whole purchase on the receipt. And she's doing a favor, it's reasonable to expect a small amount of compensation to account for gas alone. If you think that kind of rule is unfair then don't participate in those programs. But don't trash talk them because it makes you appear very uneducated on the nuance of the issue

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    Jenna Kay
    Community Member
    1 week ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    For the YTA people out there - OP never had to do this in the first place. They are not policing what people eat, they are not infringing on anyone's rights, they were literally saying, hey, I am willing to go to X restaurant today and if you want something from there, I'll pick it up for you. No one was forced to order!

    Aroace tiger (she/they/he)
    Community Member
    1 week ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Surely if anything trying to force OP to go to these restaurants is attempting to infringe on OPs freedom and rights?

    Load More Replies...
    Ryan-James O'Driscoll
    Community Member
    1 week ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is a fantasy written by someone on Reddit with far too much time on their hands. It's the same sort of weird and implausible scenario and a conclusion of "I won and someone did something completely unhinged that got them consequences" that is a laughable trope of Reddit stories. People don't go to AITA anymore to actually ask that. They go there to make content. Can make a bingo card out of it.

    K Barnes
    Community Member
    1 week ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I agree with you that most of these posts are not about getting people's opinions, they're about getting engagement and making content. Some might have a nugget of truth in them, some might be largely true, and many are totally fake.

    Load More Replies...
    Kate Johnson
    Community Member
    Premium
    1 week ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The YTA are sure mentally defective on this one. OP did the right thing.

    J. Maxx
    Community Member
    1 week ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The YTA folks sure are a******s, and it doesn't matter what the topic is.

    Tabitha
    Community Member
    1 week ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I suspect the YTAs are the disgruntled coworkers who are to d****d lazy to get —-or bring—-their own d****d lunches.

    Load More Replies...
    Min
    Community Member
    Premium
    1 week ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is why we can't have nice things.

    brittany
    Community Member
    1 week ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    for what it's worth, i had a thin crust pizza with alfredo base, mozzerella cheese, chicken spinach and pineapple

    Debby Keir
    Community Member
    1 week ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Ok, Brit here - have never seen nor eaten at many of the fast food places mentioned, but why is Chick a filet banned? What did they do? Just curious - are they owned by Nestle or something?

    Multa Nocte (she/her/8647)
    Community Member
    Premium
    1 week ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They are overly religious and actively anti-gay.

    Load More Replies...
    Bubblebee
    Community Member
    1 week ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    All the main issues aside, this doesn't make much sense to me: why would anyone eat so much takeout that they had to rely on a colleague bringing food from restaurants each day? This might be a cultural difference but nobody in their right mind would do this where I live. I don't know, is that a norm anywhere? Eating out every day? Have people really stopped cooking and a mail on Saturday makes it impossible for them to have food on Monday? 😳

    Michael Largey
    Community Member
    1 week ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I've worked at a lot of places where one person does a lunch run for all. One place was a security monitoring company where they could not afford to have more than one person out of the building. You worked through your lunch hour. (They made up for this by by paying you for 8.5 hours working on an 8 hour shift.)

    Load More Replies...
    marianne eliza
    Community Member
    1 week ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Is it in your job description that you must fetch lunch? Only doing it out of kindness? Then NTA. You were a nice person and others tried to take advantage of your good nature.

    brittany
    Community Member
    1 week ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    for what it is worth, i had a thin crust pizza with alfredo sauce base, mozzarella cheese chicken spinach and pineapple

    Mike F
    Community Member
    1 week ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    There's always one. Way back the Office Manager (a dour old woman) brought donuts every Friday, It was just a "her" thing. The company sold a couple of times and the last bunch of owners included a silver spooner who was disliked by one and all, but he decided that Laura's donuts didn't include enough variety (gritching). "How about some filled ones, etc. Then he decided, unilaterally, that we would rotate the Friday treats that he seemed to forget on his days. Moral of the story: don't fix what ain't broke.

    Jess Barbosa
    Community Member
    1 week ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    bigot chicken, lol. love it. the ire over the assumption the boycott was for religious reasons rather than humanitarian ones is... unsurprising.

    Andie Day
    Community Member
    1 week ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Bigot chicken!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

    Roni Stone
    Community Member
    Premium
    1 week ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "Bigot chicken." A new one to add to my ChikFilA lexicon. I stopped putting my money into the bigot pockets of their mgmt years ago. Glad to see others hold it is such low ethical esteem, as well.

    Granny's Thoughts
    Community Member
    Premium
    1 week ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I cannot believe that some people think OP is the AH here. She was being really nice, very thoughtful really. Her not wanting to do any business with just 2 restaurants was not forcing the other people from not going to those businesses themselves. What entitled people some people are. I guess there are a lot of AH's out there.

    Thanos'Fingers
    Community Member
    1 week ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That's amazing coworker would pick a fight on the way out the building after being fired with police presence. Almost unbelievably amazing. He assaulted OP, and then was just allowed to walk away? If someone slaps your paid lunch from your hands, they are giving you explicit permission to break their nose and then press charges. They are practically begging.

    Sven Horlemann
    Community Member
    1 week ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I learned to not volunteer anything for anyone. And guess what - you are left alone.

    nmv33
    Community Member
    1 week ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Don’t do favors for anyone unless is an emergency. They are old enough to bring or purchase their own food. The day you stop doing them favors they’ll treat you like you are a bad person.

    R Dennis
    Community Member
    1 week ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The YTAs out here always making sure I know there are a lot of s****y people in the world...

    Lily Anne
    Community Member
    1 week ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Why do some people avoid this restaurant, Chick’A’Fil?Some political problems?

    Aroace tiger (she/they/he)
    Community Member
    1 week ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If i remember correctly, they donate noney towards anti-lgbt organisations, i don't know anything more than that unfortunately

    Load More Replies...
    Fatmeow
    Community Member
    1 week ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    She's miiiiiighty special.

    NJP
    Community Member
    1 week ago

    This comment is hidden. Click here to view.

    And you wonder why Americans all cry they have no money; lunch out everyday, Starbucks everyday, multiple cable TV subscriptions, Amazon Prime, etc.

    nottheactualphoto
    Community Member
    1 week ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yup. All Americans, everywhere, of every demographic.

    Load More Replies...
    PenguinEmp
    Community Member
    1 week ago

    This comment is hidden. Click here to view.

    I understand that you want to be compensated for your time but rounding is a no no. All you have to do is 'I'll pick up lunch as long as it's not from x. Anyone interested?' Then if people want to order let them. Don't ask for extra money or stuff. Otherwise let people get their own food.

    Bobby
    Community Member
    1 week ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So she is supposed to calculate the exact price each person owes plus tax? This is USA based, we don't include tax in our prices. We only include the total tax for the whole purchase on the receipt. And she's doing a favor, it's reasonable to expect a small amount of compensation to account for gas alone. If you think that kind of rule is unfair then don't participate in those programs. But don't trash talk them because it makes you appear very uneducated on the nuance of the issue

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