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“You’re Making Us Pay Out Of Pocket To Serve You”: Tip Outrage Makes Server Go Viral
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“You’re Making Us Pay Out Of Pocket To Serve You”: Tip Outrage Makes Server Go Viral

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Working at a restaurant is hard stuff. For more than one reason. And, it seems there’s now even more reason to be unhappy with it as was shown by this one waiter.

A Texas Roadhouse waiter recently went on TikTok to vent about not having gotten a tip. Not a pleasant situation to be in on a large order, apparently some restaurants have rules on sharing tips and that order ended up costing the waiter.

Tipping has become toxically controversial, reaching a point where it’s flat out demanded from customers

Image credits: MargJohnsonVA

“Zero f******g dollars! That means I had to pay out of pocket to serve those fools”

Image credits: kevenmanochi

A waiter recently ended up having to ‘pay out’ a $98 bill at the restaurant he worked at

The story goes that waiter Keven Manochit (@kevenmachochit) recently served a table that ended up racking a $98 bill. They paid the bill, all fine and dandy there. However, there was no tip.

Soon after this happened, Keven posted a 6-second video showing the receipt and cursing the clients out for leaving nothing beyond what was due. He went on to say that he will now have to cover the clients with his own money.

But tips are optional, right? Yes. But the problem isn’t in the lack of tip itself. It’s in how tipping is done at this particular joint.

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Some restaurants have different tipping policies, which force waiters to pay out a part of their sales as tips to the rest of the staff

You see, the traditional way of how tips work is that the customer leaves a tip, the waiter pockets it, and that’s that. However, because everyone from the hosts to the chefs are also intimately involved in the process, some places decide to divide up the tips among them too. Seems fair, right?

A Redditor explained in detail how it works, and basically waiters have to pay out a portion of their sales as tips to the rest of the employees that were also part of the restaurant experience.

Without complicating it, say there’s a $100 bill, of which 5% is the tip, so $5 would go to the chef. If you get a $20 tip on this, hey, $15 for you as the waiter and $5 for the chef. But if you got nothing, you still have to pay $5 to the chef. And at this point, if you have zero tips, you are paying it out of your own pocket.

@kevenmanochit #bekind #tipyourserver #server #serverlife #texasroadhouse #texasroadhouseserver #serverproblems #servertiktok #servertok #servers #serverstories ♬ original sound – KevenManochit

Needless to say, this sparked a debate among commenters, picking sides of the tipping argument

Some commenters were quick to point out that tipping is optional and that it should be done based on the service—not the bill amount. And if they can’t handle that, a job switch is recommended.

Those on the other side of the barricade argued that folks have to work there to truly understand the struggle. And considering that some states still have a $2 minimum wage for tipped workers in force, you really need those tips to actually earn something.

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Yet others pointed out that this is just one table—it’s out of context for the entire night. One table might tip nothing, while the other might go for $30. So that could cover both bills.

It is important to note that one commenter said she’d likely tip $30 to $40 for that $98 bill, but she didn’t feel like it was sufficient. The creator reacted to it saying that that would be more than enough.

Whatever the case, we’d love to hear from you. How much would you have tipped? Share your takes and stories in the comment section below!

Besides reactions, folks provided more information on why this is a problem

Some were in support of it

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shylabouche_1 avatar
Bouche and Audi and Shyla, Oh My!
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If my server has to pay out, that's not my responsibility. That is the responsibility of the owner, the manager, and the server. I would rather pay a little more for my meal and not have to tip, but that's not my decision.

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MP
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3 weeks ago

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So as long as the person who worked to bring you your food isn’t directly paid for that labor, you’re okay. As soon as you find out the “little extra” is considered a tip, that’s when you have an issue.

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ZGutr
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Wait what? The server pays bar/tax over the customers bill regardless they got tipped or not? That tipping culture is even way more insane than I ever could imagine.

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Zephyr343
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

And you still have to tip our bartenders, cooks, busboys, etc. My wife was a waitress and had a 4 hour shift once with a certain Sunday crowd. No one tipped and she ended up paying out $21 of her own money to work that shift. Yes, she had to pay to work.

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Sanne
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You should pay a percentage of the tips to the cooks (and other staff), not a percentage of the bill. That's just ridiculous. It's not my problem, as a customer, that your boss is an idiot and you agreed to it.

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Downunderdude
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Isn't the problem that the minimum wage in America is criminally low and waiters rely on tips just to get by? In effect, the customer is subsidisng the employer so that he/she can pay staff less. I don't mean to plug Australia particularly, but the minimum wage here is currently $A 23.23 per hour ($US 15.28) plus a minimum 25% loading for casuals. Employers must by law pay at least the minimum and WILL be prosecuted if they don't. Our regulator is very active in this area. At present, the labor market is very tight and I have read stories about wait staff being paid $100,000 pa. In my experience, tipping is not expected - but of course, very welcome if you decide to do so for exceptional service.

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James016
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have just looked it up, the Federal Minimum Wage is $7.25 per hour and has been at that amount since 2009. Tipped employees get a minimum wage of $2.13 per hour if they make more than $30 per month. From Wikipedia: The United States federal government requires a wage of at least $2.13 per hour be paid to employees who receive at least $30 per month in tips.[4] If wages and tips do not equal the federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour during any week, the employer is required to increase cash wages to compensate. Just nuts.

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Tee Pussi
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yet again, this is a problem with your employer, not the customers. But I guess you're too afraid to cuss out your boss.

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Justanotherpanda
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Blame your boss, not your customers. Or find a different career.

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Daggie_style
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That's the part I don't get. If the job isn't working for you and you determine it's not worth it. Leave. Find something better. When enough people commit to that, the restaurants will either fail or change. All continuing to be subjected to this does is perpetuate it.

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And i was like WTF!!
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I was in USA for about 4 months a few years back and i was shocked by their tipping culture. In Europe we tip if we want to and it is based on service. First time when i was in the restaurant server kinda requested a tip and that was a little shocking for us, but it is their custom so who am i to complain tbh. The point is, i will tip if i am satisfied with service not becouse it is required of me

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ColorEd
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3 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That one comment about tipping 30-40 dollars on a 100 dollar bill, and asking is that enough... That's equally, if not even more insane than leaving a zero dollar tip. Customers feel guilty over not providing their servers with proper tips, when they should not even had to think about that, and tip only in accordance to their level of satisfaction is what is wrong here. The job provider should take care of their employees, and pay them livable wages, that burdrn should not be on customers. That's the main issue here, the whole US wages sistem us just whack, because it allows people to be underpayed, and forced to depend on tips, that are optional, but then puts the blame on people if they decide to choose the option of not leaving a tip. Corporate America at its "finest".

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Makabert Abylons
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Greatest nation in the world! 🫡🇱🇷Where you can go bankrupt from medical bills and servers doesn’t get payed a fair wage

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ADZ
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

We all try but sometimes when people don't want to help themselves you can't do anything but stop enabling them. Time people stopped tipping until employees directed their anger where it belongs. Hint: it's not the customer.

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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Up to you if you want to stop tipping until wait staff revolts or if you want to boycott and explain why to the owner. I prefer the second option because it's more direct. Hitting the owner in the pocketbook risks closing the restaurant, but wait staff could also lose jobs by complaining about conditions or threatening to strike.

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OnlyMe
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The problem is tipping culture. Which mainly exists in America. Nowhere else in the world I've been requires staff to earn their wages off tips. (And I've been to many many countries.)

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StumblingThroughLife
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Wow. They seriously need better employment laws over there - minimum living wage being number 1 on a list of many ... I bet businesses/employers love it over there :-/.

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Robert T
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yet again the problem is the idiotic American tipping culture where employers think they can get away with this s**t. It is not acceptable anywhere else in the world, and it should not be acceptable in America. Instead of accepting it, make use of your lax labor laws and walk! It does not have to be this way.

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Pittsburgh rare
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Those servers ranting on customers shows they haven't understood anything.

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Becky Samuel
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's such a common problem, and once you start seeing it then you realise how much it goes on. Thise with money and power deflect attention from themselves by blaming immigrants, asylum seekers, customers - basically anyone with no power. So long as we are all kicking downwards then we will never be able to solve the problems.

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jade s
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm really not understanding this paying to work thing. In UK at least tax is a percentage. 20% of nothing is nothing.

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Flopsy
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What a shame, the US! So basically these people pay to work? Is this all a very big pyramid scheme? What in the world?!?

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ADZ
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"Greatest Country on earth", which would collapse with having to pay a living minimum wage and no illegal slave labour.

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ॐBoyGanesh
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

We have five restaurants within our family-owned beach resort. The lowest paid position on our property is a gardener assistant and a pool boy, which starts at 23 an hour. We do not expect our guest, pay resort fee, to properly tip our servers. However, we built an 18% service charge on all food & beverage. IRS code requires that we give a “gratuity“ completely to the server, but a “service charge“ can be divided up, however we see fit. We give the service to the servers. That’s a choice we’ve made as a business. In other words, we’ve raised the prices of our Food and beverage to a number that most consumers consider unacceptable, but disguise it with the service charge. And that they’re in lies the problem. If restaurants to pay servers a living wage, They would have to increase increase their menu cost by at least 20%. They survived on slim margins, but even a 10% increase is met with absolute disdain and disgust by the customer.

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ADZ
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'd rather pay extra for my food knowing the server is getting paid a decent wage.

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Steve
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The policy is illegal and should be challenged in court. You are requiring an employee to pay other employees. That’s a hard nope.

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Natasha Clark
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Tipping is optional & no one is required to do this. If the waiter feel as though that's an issue feel free to blame your employer & not the customers since it isn't their problem. Maybe seek employment elsewhere if you have to or a second job to make ends meet.

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CatWoman1014
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I’m tired of tipping culture. Every other day it’s another person complaining about it. Why does the customer have to pay server’s salary? I never can seem to grasp that concept

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WonderWoman
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

OP made a choice to work there and accepted the way their place of business puts the screws to them. Do not blame the customer.

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Charles McChristy
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If you are paying out of pocket then you are a fool and need to contact the labor board.

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early
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

How is this is customers fault? The company are to blame here!.

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H. Brown
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3 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is how it works for me: you are guaranteed the minimum tip percentage by default. Unless you are butt rude and inattentive. Then, I half it. But you still get something. To get more than the minimum, you go above and beyond your duties. If the place is busy, I take that into consideration. This is how I have always tipped. I've worked in the service industry so I know how it is but I also know how it should be.

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MoMcB
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If a restaurant cannot afford to pay their staff a proper, living wage, then they are not a business. These workers are donating work. Tipping is for exceptional service in the UK, happy to say I can tip very often.

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Susan Bosse
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Had a jackass come in one night and did the whole putting money on the table, saying "here's how much you can get. Let's see if you earn it" s**t. I said "oh. Wow. I thought you guys were just myths. Let's see if I can get to zero. Goal!" Took the wind right out of his fat assed sails.

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ADZ
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

See this is ridiculous. Seen Americans complain at servers in Australia because they don't have to dance for them and put up with their awful behaviour to earn tips.

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Michael Largey
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I was the head chef at a restaurant and never got one penny of the tips. I was paid a decent salary instead.

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Fran
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Tipping culture in America is going crazy!!!!!! Tipping is OPTIONAL. We split tips at my working place (club house in Scotland), and everybody gets a share according to the hours worked that week, you worked 40 hours, you get tips on that, 60 then your cut will be more, 20, then you get less. Waiters in the USA should direct their anger and frustration towards their bosses and the system, not the clients !!!!!!!! 😡😡😡

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Nimitz
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is an issue we had when I worked at a restaurant. The servers have to tip out a bit for tip sharing (usually 2-4%) so when people don't tip, they get screwed. At our place, the shift managers would maintain a dine and dash/no-tip fund where they'd put in 1/4 of their tips into it and that would cover it. But yeah, if you don't tip, your waiter is basically paying to serve you. Tipping culture SUUUUUCKS!

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Wendy Melissa
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Restaurants should pay their staff a living wage. I rarely go out anymore because not only is food and drink double what it was 3 years ago, tipping is outrageous.

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SirWriteALot
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I see a new trend coming: personal waiters. Soon, restaurants will have NO waiters, the customer brings their own. I mean if I'm paying for service I'd like to pay the guy that I want to pay, not the one that I have to.

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ZuriLovesYou
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4 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Look, I'm sorry, mate. But it's not my fault your boss isn't paying you a living wage. Nor is it my responsibility. This may sound harsh, but I will tip you the amount I want to tip you. That's just my opinion.

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JustABored1
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

First off, if you're too cheap to tip, stay home. Second, waiters/waitresses shouldn't have to share their tips with the rest of the staff. Those employees are paid a higher wage than wait staff, because they don't get tips. That's the trade-off. Want tips? Serve. Want a regular paycheck every week, cook. ✌🏻

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JinxBox
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

America is just hopeless on so many levels. In Finland you only tip if you had some real splendid service and feel real jolly about your day out, or if you go to fancier restaurants and are so wealthy that you'd leave tip just to show off you have money. Bar or cafe can have a tip jar. And the tips are rarely personal but usually shared by the staff when the jar is full or the day is done.

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Historyherstory (old guy)
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As an American, you understand this going into the meal and budget accordingly. The alternative is 20% higher food bills on a night out. Not tipping here means the service was horrible (don't punish server for bad food - just don't go back). Otherwise, you're cheap, ill mannered, from elsewhere (excusable), or clueless. I love learning from other cultures. The other three wouldn't be in my party.

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Roin
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If everyone just stop tipping they would be forced to pay salary that ppl can live with...

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th3_rur4l_jur0r
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Any server that is paying money to work deserves it for being stupid enough to work a job that requires you to pay to work HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Dave Squareturns
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is USA however I do leave tips, if the server is friendly helpful and prompt a tip is EARNT so fair enough, I do not however believe in tipping just for the sake of it, that is demanding and I will not condone that.

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Tams21
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

And yet, whenever there's an article about how bad tipping is, there's always one person that says they earn more money that way. There are some that do but there are many, many examples of wage theft like this and those in the industry that fight against the abolishment of tipping are screwing their own colleagues over.

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Roan The Demon Kitty
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Maybe, just maybe, the US could try paying it's waiting staff etc a wage that means they wouldn't have to rely on tips?

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Lady B
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So they are taking tips from someone making less than minimum wage to supplement someone making more? That is why they make more as they are non tipped positions. Someone needs to call the labor board about them distributing tips to people they were not intended for. Sounds like the restaurant is just finding another reason not to pay a decent wage.

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Anony Mouse
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Rage bait about tipping culture. Again. Low quality tiktok content. Again.

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BWC
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yet here you are reading it and commenting. Be part of the solution by ignoring the post and moving on.

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Barry Meyer
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Waiters if you don't like not being tipping quit bitching and find a different job. Unless you're being forced at gunpoint to wait tables here's other jobs out there.

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StumblingThroughLife
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3 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The job above details: "12hr/10hr. Previous experience would be ideal, however full training will be provided". It didn't state age-specific wage - which they need to make clear, due to min wage age differences, so it's either a flat min, or they're waiting until the interview to clarify (which sucks). Waiting jobs are still below par when it comes to hourly rates, in a lot of Countries, including the UK. We do tip, but it isn't added on bills, and waiting staff aren't penalized or stripped of part of their wages if they don't get a tip. I send heartfelt hugs.

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Val
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Sadly, all of the industry workers are getting killed with downvotes. It is not their fault. Stop attacking your servers. Nobody wants to serve some of you A holes. If you don't tip, fine, but the server still has to pay your tax and tip out to hosts and bar. They can't stop it. The management can't stop it. The owner can't stop it. It's a USA thing, not a server thing. What BoyGanesh said is SPOT ON. You live in the USA, then you know this. Unless you're just ignorant or cheap.

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MP
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

People complain about tipping because they feel entitled to free labor and they’re jealous of servers. No other possible reasons. Restaurants can even increase prices, add gratuity, or anything, and people will still be FURIOUS when they find out 20% is going to the server.

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Bouche and Audi and Shyla, Oh My!
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If my server has to pay out, that's not my responsibility. That is the responsibility of the owner, the manager, and the server. I would rather pay a little more for my meal and not have to tip, but that's not my decision.

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MP
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So as long as the person who worked to bring you your food isn’t directly paid for that labor, you’re okay. As soon as you find out the “little extra” is considered a tip, that’s when you have an issue.

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ZGutr
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Wait what? The server pays bar/tax over the customers bill regardless they got tipped or not? That tipping culture is even way more insane than I ever could imagine.

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Zephyr343
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

And you still have to tip our bartenders, cooks, busboys, etc. My wife was a waitress and had a 4 hour shift once with a certain Sunday crowd. No one tipped and she ended up paying out $21 of her own money to work that shift. Yes, she had to pay to work.

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Sanne
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You should pay a percentage of the tips to the cooks (and other staff), not a percentage of the bill. That's just ridiculous. It's not my problem, as a customer, that your boss is an idiot and you agreed to it.

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Downunderdude
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Isn't the problem that the minimum wage in America is criminally low and waiters rely on tips just to get by? In effect, the customer is subsidisng the employer so that he/she can pay staff less. I don't mean to plug Australia particularly, but the minimum wage here is currently $A 23.23 per hour ($US 15.28) plus a minimum 25% loading for casuals. Employers must by law pay at least the minimum and WILL be prosecuted if they don't. Our regulator is very active in this area. At present, the labor market is very tight and I have read stories about wait staff being paid $100,000 pa. In my experience, tipping is not expected - but of course, very welcome if you decide to do so for exceptional service.

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James016
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have just looked it up, the Federal Minimum Wage is $7.25 per hour and has been at that amount since 2009. Tipped employees get a minimum wage of $2.13 per hour if they make more than $30 per month. From Wikipedia: The United States federal government requires a wage of at least $2.13 per hour be paid to employees who receive at least $30 per month in tips.[4] If wages and tips do not equal the federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour during any week, the employer is required to increase cash wages to compensate. Just nuts.

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Tee Pussi
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yet again, this is a problem with your employer, not the customers. But I guess you're too afraid to cuss out your boss.

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Justanotherpanda
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Blame your boss, not your customers. Or find a different career.

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Daggie_style
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That's the part I don't get. If the job isn't working for you and you determine it's not worth it. Leave. Find something better. When enough people commit to that, the restaurants will either fail or change. All continuing to be subjected to this does is perpetuate it.

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And i was like WTF!!
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I was in USA for about 4 months a few years back and i was shocked by their tipping culture. In Europe we tip if we want to and it is based on service. First time when i was in the restaurant server kinda requested a tip and that was a little shocking for us, but it is their custom so who am i to complain tbh. The point is, i will tip if i am satisfied with service not becouse it is required of me

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ColorEd
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3 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That one comment about tipping 30-40 dollars on a 100 dollar bill, and asking is that enough... That's equally, if not even more insane than leaving a zero dollar tip. Customers feel guilty over not providing their servers with proper tips, when they should not even had to think about that, and tip only in accordance to their level of satisfaction is what is wrong here. The job provider should take care of their employees, and pay them livable wages, that burdrn should not be on customers. That's the main issue here, the whole US wages sistem us just whack, because it allows people to be underpayed, and forced to depend on tips, that are optional, but then puts the blame on people if they decide to choose the option of not leaving a tip. Corporate America at its "finest".

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Makabert Abylons
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Greatest nation in the world! 🫡🇱🇷Where you can go bankrupt from medical bills and servers doesn’t get payed a fair wage

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ADZ
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

We all try but sometimes when people don't want to help themselves you can't do anything but stop enabling them. Time people stopped tipping until employees directed their anger where it belongs. Hint: it's not the customer.

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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Up to you if you want to stop tipping until wait staff revolts or if you want to boycott and explain why to the owner. I prefer the second option because it's more direct. Hitting the owner in the pocketbook risks closing the restaurant, but wait staff could also lose jobs by complaining about conditions or threatening to strike.

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OnlyMe
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The problem is tipping culture. Which mainly exists in America. Nowhere else in the world I've been requires staff to earn their wages off tips. (And I've been to many many countries.)

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StumblingThroughLife
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Wow. They seriously need better employment laws over there - minimum living wage being number 1 on a list of many ... I bet businesses/employers love it over there :-/.

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Robert T
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yet again the problem is the idiotic American tipping culture where employers think they can get away with this s**t. It is not acceptable anywhere else in the world, and it should not be acceptable in America. Instead of accepting it, make use of your lax labor laws and walk! It does not have to be this way.

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Pittsburgh rare
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Those servers ranting on customers shows they haven't understood anything.

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Becky Samuel
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's such a common problem, and once you start seeing it then you realise how much it goes on. Thise with money and power deflect attention from themselves by blaming immigrants, asylum seekers, customers - basically anyone with no power. So long as we are all kicking downwards then we will never be able to solve the problems.

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jade s
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm really not understanding this paying to work thing. In UK at least tax is a percentage. 20% of nothing is nothing.

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Flopsy
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What a shame, the US! So basically these people pay to work? Is this all a very big pyramid scheme? What in the world?!?

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ADZ
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"Greatest Country on earth", which would collapse with having to pay a living minimum wage and no illegal slave labour.

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ॐBoyGanesh
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

We have five restaurants within our family-owned beach resort. The lowest paid position on our property is a gardener assistant and a pool boy, which starts at 23 an hour. We do not expect our guest, pay resort fee, to properly tip our servers. However, we built an 18% service charge on all food & beverage. IRS code requires that we give a “gratuity“ completely to the server, but a “service charge“ can be divided up, however we see fit. We give the service to the servers. That’s a choice we’ve made as a business. In other words, we’ve raised the prices of our Food and beverage to a number that most consumers consider unacceptable, but disguise it with the service charge. And that they’re in lies the problem. If restaurants to pay servers a living wage, They would have to increase increase their menu cost by at least 20%. They survived on slim margins, but even a 10% increase is met with absolute disdain and disgust by the customer.

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ADZ
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'd rather pay extra for my food knowing the server is getting paid a decent wage.

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Steve
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The policy is illegal and should be challenged in court. You are requiring an employee to pay other employees. That’s a hard nope.

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Natasha Clark
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Tipping is optional & no one is required to do this. If the waiter feel as though that's an issue feel free to blame your employer & not the customers since it isn't their problem. Maybe seek employment elsewhere if you have to or a second job to make ends meet.

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CatWoman1014
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I’m tired of tipping culture. Every other day it’s another person complaining about it. Why does the customer have to pay server’s salary? I never can seem to grasp that concept

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WonderWoman
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

OP made a choice to work there and accepted the way their place of business puts the screws to them. Do not blame the customer.

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Charles McChristy
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If you are paying out of pocket then you are a fool and need to contact the labor board.

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early
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

How is this is customers fault? The company are to blame here!.

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H. Brown
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3 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is how it works for me: you are guaranteed the minimum tip percentage by default. Unless you are butt rude and inattentive. Then, I half it. But you still get something. To get more than the minimum, you go above and beyond your duties. If the place is busy, I take that into consideration. This is how I have always tipped. I've worked in the service industry so I know how it is but I also know how it should be.

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MoMcB
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If a restaurant cannot afford to pay their staff a proper, living wage, then they are not a business. These workers are donating work. Tipping is for exceptional service in the UK, happy to say I can tip very often.

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Susan Bosse
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Had a jackass come in one night and did the whole putting money on the table, saying "here's how much you can get. Let's see if you earn it" s**t. I said "oh. Wow. I thought you guys were just myths. Let's see if I can get to zero. Goal!" Took the wind right out of his fat assed sails.

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ADZ
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

See this is ridiculous. Seen Americans complain at servers in Australia because they don't have to dance for them and put up with their awful behaviour to earn tips.

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Michael Largey
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I was the head chef at a restaurant and never got one penny of the tips. I was paid a decent salary instead.

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Fran
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Tipping culture in America is going crazy!!!!!! Tipping is OPTIONAL. We split tips at my working place (club house in Scotland), and everybody gets a share according to the hours worked that week, you worked 40 hours, you get tips on that, 60 then your cut will be more, 20, then you get less. Waiters in the USA should direct their anger and frustration towards their bosses and the system, not the clients !!!!!!!! 😡😡😡

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Nimitz
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is an issue we had when I worked at a restaurant. The servers have to tip out a bit for tip sharing (usually 2-4%) so when people don't tip, they get screwed. At our place, the shift managers would maintain a dine and dash/no-tip fund where they'd put in 1/4 of their tips into it and that would cover it. But yeah, if you don't tip, your waiter is basically paying to serve you. Tipping culture SUUUUUCKS!

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Wendy Melissa
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Restaurants should pay their staff a living wage. I rarely go out anymore because not only is food and drink double what it was 3 years ago, tipping is outrageous.

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SirWriteALot
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I see a new trend coming: personal waiters. Soon, restaurants will have NO waiters, the customer brings their own. I mean if I'm paying for service I'd like to pay the guy that I want to pay, not the one that I have to.

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ZuriLovesYou
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4 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Look, I'm sorry, mate. But it's not my fault your boss isn't paying you a living wage. Nor is it my responsibility. This may sound harsh, but I will tip you the amount I want to tip you. That's just my opinion.

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JustABored1
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

First off, if you're too cheap to tip, stay home. Second, waiters/waitresses shouldn't have to share their tips with the rest of the staff. Those employees are paid a higher wage than wait staff, because they don't get tips. That's the trade-off. Want tips? Serve. Want a regular paycheck every week, cook. ✌🏻

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JinxBox
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

America is just hopeless on so many levels. In Finland you only tip if you had some real splendid service and feel real jolly about your day out, or if you go to fancier restaurants and are so wealthy that you'd leave tip just to show off you have money. Bar or cafe can have a tip jar. And the tips are rarely personal but usually shared by the staff when the jar is full or the day is done.

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Historyherstory (old guy)
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As an American, you understand this going into the meal and budget accordingly. The alternative is 20% higher food bills on a night out. Not tipping here means the service was horrible (don't punish server for bad food - just don't go back). Otherwise, you're cheap, ill mannered, from elsewhere (excusable), or clueless. I love learning from other cultures. The other three wouldn't be in my party.

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Roin
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If everyone just stop tipping they would be forced to pay salary that ppl can live with...

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th3_rur4l_jur0r
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Any server that is paying money to work deserves it for being stupid enough to work a job that requires you to pay to work HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Dave Squareturns
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is USA however I do leave tips, if the server is friendly helpful and prompt a tip is EARNT so fair enough, I do not however believe in tipping just for the sake of it, that is demanding and I will not condone that.

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Tams21
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

And yet, whenever there's an article about how bad tipping is, there's always one person that says they earn more money that way. There are some that do but there are many, many examples of wage theft like this and those in the industry that fight against the abolishment of tipping are screwing their own colleagues over.

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Roan The Demon Kitty
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Maybe, just maybe, the US could try paying it's waiting staff etc a wage that means they wouldn't have to rely on tips?

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Lady B
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So they are taking tips from someone making less than minimum wage to supplement someone making more? That is why they make more as they are non tipped positions. Someone needs to call the labor board about them distributing tips to people they were not intended for. Sounds like the restaurant is just finding another reason not to pay a decent wage.

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Anony Mouse
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Rage bait about tipping culture. Again. Low quality tiktok content. Again.

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BWC
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yet here you are reading it and commenting. Be part of the solution by ignoring the post and moving on.

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Barry Meyer
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Waiters if you don't like not being tipping quit bitching and find a different job. Unless you're being forced at gunpoint to wait tables here's other jobs out there.

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StumblingThroughLife
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3 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The job above details: "12hr/10hr. Previous experience would be ideal, however full training will be provided". It didn't state age-specific wage - which they need to make clear, due to min wage age differences, so it's either a flat min, or they're waiting until the interview to clarify (which sucks). Waiting jobs are still below par when it comes to hourly rates, in a lot of Countries, including the UK. We do tip, but it isn't added on bills, and waiting staff aren't penalized or stripped of part of their wages if they don't get a tip. I send heartfelt hugs.

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Val
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Sadly, all of the industry workers are getting killed with downvotes. It is not their fault. Stop attacking your servers. Nobody wants to serve some of you A holes. If you don't tip, fine, but the server still has to pay your tax and tip out to hosts and bar. They can't stop it. The management can't stop it. The owner can't stop it. It's a USA thing, not a server thing. What BoyGanesh said is SPOT ON. You live in the USA, then you know this. Unless you're just ignorant or cheap.

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MP
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

People complain about tipping because they feel entitled to free labor and they’re jealous of servers. No other possible reasons. Restaurants can even increase prices, add gratuity, or anything, and people will still be FURIOUS when they find out 20% is going to the server.

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