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Child’s Instincts Save Her From A Disturbing Surveilanced Sleepover, Her Mom Loses It
Child’s Instincts Save Her From A Disturbing Surveilanced Sleepover, Her Mom Loses It
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Child’s Instincts Save Her From A Disturbing Surveilanced Sleepover, Her Mom Loses It

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Attending sleepovers as a kid is a rite of passage. Being able to spend all night gossiping with friends, giggling under a blanket fort and watching movies that Mom and Dad might not approve of is a great way to bond with friends and make lifelong memories. 

But when you’re a parent, you might feel some hesitation about sending your little ones off to another house for the night. And sadly, sleepovers can sometimes go awry. One mom recently reached out to Reddit detailing a concerning experience her daughter had at a friend’s house, as well as why she’ll never let her spend the night at another family’s home ever again. Below, you’ll find the full story, as well as a conversation with parenting expert Amy Morrison of Pregnant Chicken

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    But this mom has banned her daughter from attending any more after a creepy experience she had at a friend’s house

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    “Cameras in bedrooms can lead to feelings of mistrust, and kids may feel less secure or anxious if they know they are constantly being watched”

    It’s natural for parents to want to keep an eye on their kids. It comes from a place of love and wanting to ensure that their children are safe and sound at all times. That’s why many moms and dads would prefer to keep their little ones at home, rather than dropping them off at a friend’s house or letting them roam around the mall without adult supervision.

    But to what extent should parents be allowed to surveil their kids? It’s common for families to have security cameras in their homes to prevent theft and keep an eye on what happens on their property. But monitoring children’s bedrooms might be taking security a bit too far.

    To find out more about this situation, we got in touch with parenting expert Amy Morrison of Pregnant Chicken.

    “I’m sure there are situations where a camera might be warranted – a medical condition, sleepwalking, etc. – but children, especially as they grow older, deserve a level of privacy in their personal spaces,” Amy shared.

    “Cameras in bedrooms can lead to feelings of mistrust, and kids may feel less secure or anxious if they know they are constantly being watched. Children should be able to develop a sense of autonomy and trust without feeling monitored,” the expert explained.

    So what should a parent do if they find out their child has been monitored through a security camera at a friend’s house?

    “They should first have an open conversation with their child to understand what happened and their feelings about the situation,” Amy says. “Any communication with the friend’s parents expressing privacy concerns should be respectful until you fully understand the situation – you don’t want to go off on these parents only to find out the cameras were pointed into the backyard for security purposes.”

    “Depending on the parents’ response, it may be necessary to reevaluate the friendship or set boundaries for future visits. The main thing is to make sure your child knows they can always speak up about what makes them comfortable,” the expert added.

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    “Children, especially as they grow older, deserve a level of privacy in their personal spaces”

    According to Reolink, it’s usually not illegal to put cameras in a child’s room, as homeowners are allowed to install cameras on their property. And there are some legitimate reasons why moms and dads might need to keep an eye on their kids. 

    For example, if you have a baby, it’s expected to have a baby monitor with a camera in their nursery. Some parents also like to have nanny cams on when their child is left with a babysitter, or if your kid has a health issue that means they need essentially constant supervision, a camera might be helpful.

    However, it may be illegal to place cameras in areas that will encroach on the privacy of children. There is absolutely no need to have a camera watching your kids in the bathroom, where they change or anywhere else that would be considered an invasion of privacy.  

    This is not only an issue because of what the parents will see on camera but also because of the security risks and how it may impact the child. Plus, the recordings from these cameras must be stored somewhere. And even if parents never intend to show the footage to anyone, it’s scary to imagine what people might get their hands on it if the security company is hacked or the parents’ account becomes compromised.

    It’s key for parents to find a balance between supervising their children and allowing them privacy, so they can build and maintain a healthy relationship. They should make it clear that monitoring their kids comes from a place of love, to keep them safe from harm, but they must also understand that they can’t watch every move their kids make. Moms and dads should trust their children to make their own decisions, especially as they grow into adolescents.

    We would love to hear your thoughts on this situation, pandas. Do you think this mother was right for calling out the family that had a security camera in their daughter’s room? Then, you can find another Bored Panda article discussing security cameras in children’s rooms right here

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    BlackestDawn
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    11 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Am I reading it right, the sleepover-mom would've placed OP's daughter in another room if she had expressed discomfort over the camera? Not unplugging the camera, not removing it but rather moving OP's daughter. That is creepy as f**k.

    Ms.GB
    Community Member
    11 months ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yes. And she also lied saying "Oh I haven't thought about it in years." The little girl not only asked about the camera but was told it was off. She noticed a light and then put a shirt over it. Then mom came in and removed the shirt. So not only was the camera on but she was watching it in real time or how else would she know it was covered? Now she told OP that that last part didn't happen but I absolutely believe the litte girl. Why would she call to go home if the mom hadn't removed the shirt from the camera. Also saying they would put the child in a separate room rather than turning off a camera that they haven't thought about in years and supposedly only use for security while they are both home! No...something smells rotten. They have already committed a crime. Video surveillance of a child undressing is a crime and I hope the other mom goes to the authorities.

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    🇺🇦 🇵🇸 TribbleThinking
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    11 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Your daughter is incredible. That thing with retaining her cool AND doing the "diplomatic" thing of putting her shirt over it was beyond anything I would have dreamt a child was capable of. That young lady is going to go far! I'd just recommend that she simply loudly repeat her experience and the other children (the daughter of the house included) can be informed of this reinforced reality (against the mother's denials) and they can take it from there. Children aren't stupid and given just a bit of support against gaslighting, can figure out their own solutions.

    Weltschmerz
    Community Member
    11 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm going to take a leaf out of this lady's book and talk to my daughter about a safe word! Brilliant idea and great parenting.

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    Kit Black
    Community Member
    11 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Exterior cameras would totally cover the concern about the daughter's room being over the garage. 🚩She called Op's daughter a liar.🚩 Tell the other mom, and tell the COPS.

    Zeus Masterson
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    11 months ago

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    There is no reason to involve law enforcement. It doesn’t seem that any crime was committed, and ultimately, it seems like a weird situation but what the home owner said makes a degree of sense. As to the discrepancy about the shirt, it seems unclear on if maybe OP and her daughter had a miscommunication. Even if not, the daughter is 11. Kids that age can embellish, especially when they have dramatic mothers. There is no reason to think something truly horrible is going on here.

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    FreeTheUnicorn
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    11 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If this is in the US, Canada, EU or UK this is illegal, and you should report it to the police. Probably many other countries as well. It's illegal to film anyone in the bedroom/bathroom/areas where there is an expectation of privacy without permission, and because she's eleven, that's a while other level of bad. Her own child is one thing, if she can make a case that it was for safety, but someone else's child without telling them? Not permitted. Beyond legal things, this sounds like an abusive household and OP shouldn't let her daughter go over there. But make a complaint, even if nothing comes of it, there will be a record so when allegations of abuse come up later they will be taken more seriously.

    FreeTheUnicorn
    Community Member
    11 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    There's no under reacting to someone recording two 11 yo girls getting ready for bed and sleeping. This is a huge deal. So glad the daughter recognised she was being filmed and knew it was wrong.

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    Gwyn
    Community Member
    11 months ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The other mom is lying... Having the camera and "forgetting" about it yet saying it was needed because of the garage access and then removing the tshirt. Nope she's trying to cover something up. Even if she's just a helicopter mom and it's not for any dark reason she is still lying. I wouldn't trust her. Is there's garage access why not close it up? this kid is too old to be watched with a camera in a private area.

    Ms.GB
    Community Member
    11 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yeah how does she explain watching the video surveillance of the girls? She said OPs daughter was lying. Who am I gonna believe...and 11 year old with the wherewithal to notice a hidden camera and take herself out of that situation or a mom who didn't think anything of having a camera on 3 11 year old girls at a sleepover. Plus if not having the camera in there wasn't a big deal why wouldn't they remove the camera rather than have the one child move to another room..while still recording her own daughter and someone else's child!? No no no.

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    StumblingThroughLife
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    11 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The fact that her friend's mum called the OP's daughter a LIAR is also a red flag, re: the shirt must have fallen off- or she could be evasive-lying as it said 'Parent', not specified, so could have been the dad, who was also there? I'm surprised the OP didn't pull her up about that. I can't think of any reason for cameras in a bedroom - except for serious medical issues - for giving your kids no privacy. As for the garage, put the camera on the OUTSIDE of the connecting door (you can get ones that warn you of motion detection). I'm hoping that the other girl's parents took it further (the lying & vid of their daughter undressing). I certainly would.

    Tonyah Mcanelly
    Community Member
    11 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If I had a camera in my childs room for medical reasons I would inform the parent with the child present. to ensure safty and trust. I would tell that they can not be changing changing clothes in that room but to use the bathroom . I would be 1000 percent transparent

    Nils Skirnir
    Community Member
    11 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My guess is child abuse/sexual abuse by one, the other, or both parents.

    Annabelle
    Community Member
    11 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And any of those videos could be being provided to who know how many p e d o philes online. ANY of the children ever in that house could have images of them online and never know. They could be targeted and stalked without ever knowing they were exposed online, clothed or not. F*ckin sick. I'd go to the cops immediately. Likely parent tried to erase all evidence after OP's kid left.

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    Surly Scot
    Community Member
    11 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Should have been reported to police immediately, they would have obtained a warrant, showed up at the house and demanded access to the security cameras and any recorded footage. This is lewd voyeurism on a minor and is illegal, the parent coming in the room to remove the t-shirt was a massive red flag on something really shady going on. The law needs to be involved.

    Pamela Blue
    Community Member
    11 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If my daughter said the mom came in and removed the shirt from the camera, I would believe her. Mom is lying, because there would no longer have been a reason for her to feel so uncomfortable if she hadn't come in to uncover them. You have a smart daughter, who can obviously think for herself.

    KatSaidWhat
    Community Member
    11 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Nope, she doubled down on the shirt - lied to the child, lied to the mother. I would possibly think about talking to the school as well to watch out for any signs of abuse.

    Roberta Surprenant
    Community Member
    11 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So the other mother straight out called her daughter a liar?

    Lee Gilliland
    Community Member
    Premium
    11 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's time to call the cops.

    Robin Roper
    Community Member
    11 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If the camera were inactive why did the parent remove the shirt that was put over it? Why didn't that parent ask why the shirt was there? If it doesn't make sense, it's not good.

    J. Maxx
    Community Member
    11 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Mamamietze up above sounds like an a*****e. The kids were told a big fat lie by the pervy parents about the cameras being turned-off. Pervy, Pervy, Pervy! If I found out some folks were tapping my 11-year-old child (boy or girl) without my permission, I would be mighty pissed. Every day I read stories about PERVS. The kid is smart-as-s**t and her Mama is a champ.

    weatherwitch
    Community Member
    11 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Mum and daughter handled this Superbly!!!

    Trillian
    Community Member
    11 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Cameras in a child's room are a gross violation of privacy. They are not zoo animals that need monitoring. How is something like this even legal?

    PenguinEmp
    Community Member
    11 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I will ask again, why do people have cameras installed inside their home? At the front and back sure, but rooms living and bed? Not necessary. People freak out at being tracked on their phone but willing put camera on in the home.

    ॐBoyGanesh
    Community Member
    11 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My nephew is 7 and has developmental disabilities & also has night terrors. He has a camera in his room, but it’s a very limited view that’s on at night, but not continually monitored. It’s also an FSA/HSA medical device. Nit a surveillance camera. I also have a friend that does have surveillance throughout her home, but the monitors are all in her panic/safe room. They’re only monitored if/when someone is locked down in that room under threat. It still freaks visitors out, but then they usually want a tour of the panic room, anyways. So they end up seeing that the cameras aren’t recording & no one is monitoring in realtime. It still feels weird being in her house. You feel like you’re being watched.

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    Rosie Cat
    Community Member
    11 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This child has no privacy, and because of the camera's will learn to be sneaky at worst reserved at best. Ironically the parents are teaching her not to trust them. When she goes no contact as an adult, they will act like they have no idea why.

    Game Guy
    Community Member
    11 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Monitoring your kid with a camera is perfectly legal. It's creepy as hell, but not illegal. Monitoring your kid's friend with a camera after telling her it's off, on the other hand, is decidedly not legal. The kid has a reasonable expectation of privacy when she's taking her clothes off to get ready for bed (regardless of whether she actually takes her clothes off) and so monitoring a bedroom without parental consent and under false pretenses is highly illegal. And yeah, I know. Mom claims the camera isn't monitored. BS. Removing the cover indicates it's not just monitored, but it's monitored in real time.

    b4h7jd7bpv
    Community Member
    11 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The mother lied you need to call the cops. The camera was not inactive if the light was blinking and the shirt definitely didn’t just fall off

    AlexJ
    Community Member
    11 months ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "Her Mom Loses It" in the title? Really BP? Did your writers or the expert they "interviewed" read this post?

    Inglourioustmnt
    Community Member
    11 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Creepy af. I’d have lost it if that were my daughter.

    You're Gonna Need A Bigger Boat
    Community Member
    11 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I didn’t see anything in here about police being contacted. If the police were not contacted, that is bad parenting on both ends. The person with the camera is terrible for putting it in their child’s room and the mom who didn’t report it is also terrible.

    Jessica Daus-Warner
    Community Member
    11 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think sleepovers should be a thing of the past. Too many creeps and people willing to look the other way.

    Angie Falzarano
    Community Member
    1 week ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I am a grown woman. But I was staying with old neighbor friend while in town and she had an alexia in the bathroom. Pointing right at the walk in bathtub. It was the only bathroom you could use. I covered that up everytime I went in there who has an alexia in the bathroom. She was married and he drove trucks. And to me he was creepy as hell.

    nichomach
    Community Member
    3 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Camera mom lied. Specifically about coming in and uncovering the camera. Which means she also lied about the camera being inactive. Those two lies alone wouldn't just be raising red flags, there'd be klaxons and a flipping marching band.

    Virginia Ordaya
    Community Member
    3 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I don’t care what the woman says, if my daughter says she covered the camera and the mom came in and removed the cover, I’m calling the cops. I hope the other parents had the good sense to call. Those people would be lucky if I kept it together enough to involve the authorities because my first instinct is much less pleasant for them than prison.

    Janissary35680
    Community Member
    Premium
    11 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "Mom, I'm OK but I don't want to stay here. Come and get me."

    Peeka_Mimi
    Community Member
    11 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My grandkids are under 10yo and the youngest is 4. I have a camera in the bedroom they sleep in when they're here. Mainly because I don't want the 4yo trying to go downstairs to my bedroom at night because the stairs are super steep (74yo house) i want him to call me and I'll wake up and get him. That said, that's too much having a camera on in an 11yo's bedroom that she can't control especially when friends are over. Eventually I'll use the other bedroom upstairs for the older kids, I guess. That way no camera needed.

    Crystalwitch60
    Community Member
    11 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Kudos to both you and your daughter x your a very amazing mum that’s spoken at length it seems to your girl about boundaries etc and she has listened taken it all in , and reacted properly when sensing something wasn’t right !! IT WASNT ! n reading the update even less so the mum accused your daughter of lying basically like why would she tell you she covered it n the mum took it off if she didn’t ??? , huge red flag and I for one don’t like it , I’m a mum n 60 yrs old we never had any of that when I was a kid ! I grew up on a farm n was out from dawn till dusk lol n my kids 23-20 never had cameras in their room either who the f**k does that 🤔🤷‍♀️ok I’m in uk different I spose but seriously there was two mum Said one , daughter covered them the mum uncovered em then lied having lied about them even being on !!! nope somethings wrong in that house VERY WRONG ! thank you for being a fantastic mother and to your lass for trusting her gut blessed be xx

    Doo Branco
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    11 months ago

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    You are nuts and making a child also nuts

    BlackestDawn
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    11 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Am I reading it right, the sleepover-mom would've placed OP's daughter in another room if she had expressed discomfort over the camera? Not unplugging the camera, not removing it but rather moving OP's daughter. That is creepy as f**k.

    Ms.GB
    Community Member
    11 months ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yes. And she also lied saying "Oh I haven't thought about it in years." The little girl not only asked about the camera but was told it was off. She noticed a light and then put a shirt over it. Then mom came in and removed the shirt. So not only was the camera on but she was watching it in real time or how else would she know it was covered? Now she told OP that that last part didn't happen but I absolutely believe the litte girl. Why would she call to go home if the mom hadn't removed the shirt from the camera. Also saying they would put the child in a separate room rather than turning off a camera that they haven't thought about in years and supposedly only use for security while they are both home! No...something smells rotten. They have already committed a crime. Video surveillance of a child undressing is a crime and I hope the other mom goes to the authorities.

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    🇺🇦 🇵🇸 TribbleThinking
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    11 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Your daughter is incredible. That thing with retaining her cool AND doing the "diplomatic" thing of putting her shirt over it was beyond anything I would have dreamt a child was capable of. That young lady is going to go far! I'd just recommend that she simply loudly repeat her experience and the other children (the daughter of the house included) can be informed of this reinforced reality (against the mother's denials) and they can take it from there. Children aren't stupid and given just a bit of support against gaslighting, can figure out their own solutions.

    Weltschmerz
    Community Member
    11 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm going to take a leaf out of this lady's book and talk to my daughter about a safe word! Brilliant idea and great parenting.

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    Kit Black
    Community Member
    11 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Exterior cameras would totally cover the concern about the daughter's room being over the garage. 🚩She called Op's daughter a liar.🚩 Tell the other mom, and tell the COPS.

    Zeus Masterson
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    11 months ago

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    There is no reason to involve law enforcement. It doesn’t seem that any crime was committed, and ultimately, it seems like a weird situation but what the home owner said makes a degree of sense. As to the discrepancy about the shirt, it seems unclear on if maybe OP and her daughter had a miscommunication. Even if not, the daughter is 11. Kids that age can embellish, especially when they have dramatic mothers. There is no reason to think something truly horrible is going on here.

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    FreeTheUnicorn
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    11 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If this is in the US, Canada, EU or UK this is illegal, and you should report it to the police. Probably many other countries as well. It's illegal to film anyone in the bedroom/bathroom/areas where there is an expectation of privacy without permission, and because she's eleven, that's a while other level of bad. Her own child is one thing, if she can make a case that it was for safety, but someone else's child without telling them? Not permitted. Beyond legal things, this sounds like an abusive household and OP shouldn't let her daughter go over there. But make a complaint, even if nothing comes of it, there will be a record so when allegations of abuse come up later they will be taken more seriously.

    FreeTheUnicorn
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    11 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    There's no under reacting to someone recording two 11 yo girls getting ready for bed and sleeping. This is a huge deal. So glad the daughter recognised she was being filmed and knew it was wrong.

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    Gwyn
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    11 months ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The other mom is lying... Having the camera and "forgetting" about it yet saying it was needed because of the garage access and then removing the tshirt. Nope she's trying to cover something up. Even if she's just a helicopter mom and it's not for any dark reason she is still lying. I wouldn't trust her. Is there's garage access why not close it up? this kid is too old to be watched with a camera in a private area.

    Ms.GB
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    11 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yeah how does she explain watching the video surveillance of the girls? She said OPs daughter was lying. Who am I gonna believe...and 11 year old with the wherewithal to notice a hidden camera and take herself out of that situation or a mom who didn't think anything of having a camera on 3 11 year old girls at a sleepover. Plus if not having the camera in there wasn't a big deal why wouldn't they remove the camera rather than have the one child move to another room..while still recording her own daughter and someone else's child!? No no no.

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    StumblingThroughLife
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    11 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The fact that her friend's mum called the OP's daughter a LIAR is also a red flag, re: the shirt must have fallen off- or she could be evasive-lying as it said 'Parent', not specified, so could have been the dad, who was also there? I'm surprised the OP didn't pull her up about that. I can't think of any reason for cameras in a bedroom - except for serious medical issues - for giving your kids no privacy. As for the garage, put the camera on the OUTSIDE of the connecting door (you can get ones that warn you of motion detection). I'm hoping that the other girl's parents took it further (the lying & vid of their daughter undressing). I certainly would.

    Tonyah Mcanelly
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    11 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If I had a camera in my childs room for medical reasons I would inform the parent with the child present. to ensure safty and trust. I would tell that they can not be changing changing clothes in that room but to use the bathroom . I would be 1000 percent transparent

    Nils Skirnir
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    11 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My guess is child abuse/sexual abuse by one, the other, or both parents.

    Annabelle
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    11 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And any of those videos could be being provided to who know how many p e d o philes online. ANY of the children ever in that house could have images of them online and never know. They could be targeted and stalked without ever knowing they were exposed online, clothed or not. F*ckin sick. I'd go to the cops immediately. Likely parent tried to erase all evidence after OP's kid left.

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    Surly Scot
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    11 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Should have been reported to police immediately, they would have obtained a warrant, showed up at the house and demanded access to the security cameras and any recorded footage. This is lewd voyeurism on a minor and is illegal, the parent coming in the room to remove the t-shirt was a massive red flag on something really shady going on. The law needs to be involved.

    Pamela Blue
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    11 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If my daughter said the mom came in and removed the shirt from the camera, I would believe her. Mom is lying, because there would no longer have been a reason for her to feel so uncomfortable if she hadn't come in to uncover them. You have a smart daughter, who can obviously think for herself.

    KatSaidWhat
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    11 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Nope, she doubled down on the shirt - lied to the child, lied to the mother. I would possibly think about talking to the school as well to watch out for any signs of abuse.

    Roberta Surprenant
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    11 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So the other mother straight out called her daughter a liar?

    Lee Gilliland
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    11 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's time to call the cops.

    Robin Roper
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    11 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If the camera were inactive why did the parent remove the shirt that was put over it? Why didn't that parent ask why the shirt was there? If it doesn't make sense, it's not good.

    J. Maxx
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    11 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Mamamietze up above sounds like an a*****e. The kids were told a big fat lie by the pervy parents about the cameras being turned-off. Pervy, Pervy, Pervy! If I found out some folks were tapping my 11-year-old child (boy or girl) without my permission, I would be mighty pissed. Every day I read stories about PERVS. The kid is smart-as-s**t and her Mama is a champ.

    weatherwitch
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    11 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Mum and daughter handled this Superbly!!!

    Trillian
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    11 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Cameras in a child's room are a gross violation of privacy. They are not zoo animals that need monitoring. How is something like this even legal?

    PenguinEmp
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    11 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I will ask again, why do people have cameras installed inside their home? At the front and back sure, but rooms living and bed? Not necessary. People freak out at being tracked on their phone but willing put camera on in the home.

    ॐBoyGanesh
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    11 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My nephew is 7 and has developmental disabilities & also has night terrors. He has a camera in his room, but it’s a very limited view that’s on at night, but not continually monitored. It’s also an FSA/HSA medical device. Nit a surveillance camera. I also have a friend that does have surveillance throughout her home, but the monitors are all in her panic/safe room. They’re only monitored if/when someone is locked down in that room under threat. It still freaks visitors out, but then they usually want a tour of the panic room, anyways. So they end up seeing that the cameras aren’t recording & no one is monitoring in realtime. It still feels weird being in her house. You feel like you’re being watched.

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    Rosie Cat
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    11 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This child has no privacy, and because of the camera's will learn to be sneaky at worst reserved at best. Ironically the parents are teaching her not to trust them. When she goes no contact as an adult, they will act like they have no idea why.

    Game Guy
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    11 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Monitoring your kid with a camera is perfectly legal. It's creepy as hell, but not illegal. Monitoring your kid's friend with a camera after telling her it's off, on the other hand, is decidedly not legal. The kid has a reasonable expectation of privacy when she's taking her clothes off to get ready for bed (regardless of whether she actually takes her clothes off) and so monitoring a bedroom without parental consent and under false pretenses is highly illegal. And yeah, I know. Mom claims the camera isn't monitored. BS. Removing the cover indicates it's not just monitored, but it's monitored in real time.

    b4h7jd7bpv
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    11 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The mother lied you need to call the cops. The camera was not inactive if the light was blinking and the shirt definitely didn’t just fall off

    AlexJ
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    11 months ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "Her Mom Loses It" in the title? Really BP? Did your writers or the expert they "interviewed" read this post?

    Inglourioustmnt
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    11 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Creepy af. I’d have lost it if that were my daughter.

    You're Gonna Need A Bigger Boat
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    11 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I didn’t see anything in here about police being contacted. If the police were not contacted, that is bad parenting on both ends. The person with the camera is terrible for putting it in their child’s room and the mom who didn’t report it is also terrible.

    Jessica Daus-Warner
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    11 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think sleepovers should be a thing of the past. Too many creeps and people willing to look the other way.

    Angie Falzarano
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    1 week ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I am a grown woman. But I was staying with old neighbor friend while in town and she had an alexia in the bathroom. Pointing right at the walk in bathtub. It was the only bathroom you could use. I covered that up everytime I went in there who has an alexia in the bathroom. She was married and he drove trucks. And to me he was creepy as hell.

    nichomach
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    3 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Camera mom lied. Specifically about coming in and uncovering the camera. Which means she also lied about the camera being inactive. Those two lies alone wouldn't just be raising red flags, there'd be klaxons and a flipping marching band.

    Virginia Ordaya
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    3 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I don’t care what the woman says, if my daughter says she covered the camera and the mom came in and removed the cover, I’m calling the cops. I hope the other parents had the good sense to call. Those people would be lucky if I kept it together enough to involve the authorities because my first instinct is much less pleasant for them than prison.

    Janissary35680
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    11 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "Mom, I'm OK but I don't want to stay here. Come and get me."

    Peeka_Mimi
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    11 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My grandkids are under 10yo and the youngest is 4. I have a camera in the bedroom they sleep in when they're here. Mainly because I don't want the 4yo trying to go downstairs to my bedroom at night because the stairs are super steep (74yo house) i want him to call me and I'll wake up and get him. That said, that's too much having a camera on in an 11yo's bedroom that she can't control especially when friends are over. Eventually I'll use the other bedroom upstairs for the older kids, I guess. That way no camera needed.

    Crystalwitch60
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    11 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Kudos to both you and your daughter x your a very amazing mum that’s spoken at length it seems to your girl about boundaries etc and she has listened taken it all in , and reacted properly when sensing something wasn’t right !! IT WASNT ! n reading the update even less so the mum accused your daughter of lying basically like why would she tell you she covered it n the mum took it off if she didn’t ??? , huge red flag and I for one don’t like it , I’m a mum n 60 yrs old we never had any of that when I was a kid ! I grew up on a farm n was out from dawn till dusk lol n my kids 23-20 never had cameras in their room either who the f**k does that 🤔🤷‍♀️ok I’m in uk different I spose but seriously there was two mum Said one , daughter covered them the mum uncovered em then lied having lied about them even being on !!! nope somethings wrong in that house VERY WRONG ! thank you for being a fantastic mother and to your lass for trusting her gut blessed be xx

    Doo Branco
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    11 months ago

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    You are nuts and making a child also nuts

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