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People Share What Plot Holes In Religions They Don’t Get And Here Are 30 Of The Most Interesting Insights
Religions are very, very complex. And in order to truly understand them, one has to really devote oneself to learning everything in and around them. But no matter how hard they try, some people just can't wrap their heads around some of the teachings.
So, in order to spark a discussion that would make sense of it all, Redditor u/sebastian-yrigoyen asked people to share, as they put it, the 'plot holes' they have noticed while practicing their religion. From Jesus' teenage years to the lack of dinosaurs, here's the sacred stories that are bugging everyone the most.
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#1
Bring on the downvotes bc I know I'm going to get them. No bible is the word of God written by man. They are the words of MEN written by MEN. FFS there are over 1,000 denominations of Christianity alone, each knowing their version is the right one and all others are blasphemy. Not to mention every bible from each religion is packed with contradictions...
keepok AP 5 years ago
One reason those are the words of men written by men is because the language was from men. In the beginning the word was from God, and the Word was God. It later evolved into other forms of communication. First images and records, or , scratches, were meant as marks, to mean words. You can just blow the whole thing with the same science from God and no-one will get the credit. It doesn't take much to respect.
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KellyO 5 years ago
The Bible told me you'd say that. But really, it's about faith, right? You either choose to believe it or not. You can't say you're wrong and they're right any more than the reverse. If we had a 4,000 year old person who could tell us exactly what they saw, that's one thing. But all anyone is doing is rely on scholars and experts to provide us with what they've learned. No one can say for sure what happened, when it happened, how, etc...because no one was there too see it first hand. Believing a scientist over a biblical scholar is your choice, but you're still putting your faith in their knowledge. You have to take it on faith. Because that's what we do.
Matthew Hanley 5 years ago
Nope. I don't take anything a scientist says on faith, because I look at the actual science, which is observable and repeatable. That is the difference. No biblical scholar can make such a claim, because all they have is a book whose origins are pretty murky. Science has reality to observe and test.
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All these 'plot holes' or people's search for answers in general highlight the fundamental differences between science and religion. The National Academy of Sciences and Institute of Medicine (now the National Academy of Medicine) shared this statement on the topic:
"Science and religion are based on different aspects of human experience. In science, explanations must be based on evidence drawn from examining the natural world. Scientifically based observations or experiments that conflict with an explanation eventually must lead to modification or even abandonment of that explanation. Religious faith, in contrast, does not depend only on empirical evidence, is not necessarily modified in the face of conflicting evidence, and typically involves supernatural forces or entities."
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#2
"In the beginning there was Adam and Eve" Ok, I'm following that. 2 people on the planet. They had 2 sons named Cain and Able. Yep, still with it. 4 people on the planet. Cain killed Able. Ok, thats down to 3 people on the planet. Cain took a wife. Wait, wut?
Lisa Blanco 5 years ago
shhhssshhh dont tell them about Lillith, you'll blow their brains out ;-)
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K.Kobayashi 5 years ago (edited)
All it means is, the people who wrote the Bible didn't think women were worth mentioning. Except as as someone's wife.
Michael Jackson 5 years ago
Nothing like a bit of selective reading. :-) Genesis 5 v4 And after he had become the father of Seth, Adam lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters.
The National Academy of Medicine argues that because they are not a part of nature, supernatural entities cannot be investigated by science. In this sense, they say, science and religion are separate and address aspects of human understanding in different ways. Attempts to pit science and religion against each other create controversy where none needs to exist.
#3
Virgin Mary had a child. Glances suspiciously at churches/catholic schools stating abstinence is 100% effective in avoiding a pregnancy.
Electric Ed 5 years ago
Honestly Joseph, I didn't cheat on you with Matt next door. Nor Luke. Or Judas. It was ... umm... some sort of divine being that ... filled me with it's ... joy ... and... Now I am pregnant.
K.Kobayashi 5 years ago
Either that, or she was committing adultery by sleeping with God while being married to Joseph.
Michael Jackson 5 years ago
Spoken of in both the Koran and the Bible. The whole point of an all powerful deity is that He can do it if He so chooses. The 'virgin' birth means that Mary had not been touched by a man, but God impregnated her through the power of the Holy Spirit. This allowed the Spirit of God and a physical man to be born of woman, in accordance with the scriptures and with the ongoing Revelation of God to man in order to overcome the chasm that separated mankind from God because of the Fall.
Joe Blowe 5 years ago
During the biblical times, an unwed mother was called a virgin. The definition of the word changed over time
Parmeisan 5 years ago
Yeah, she was married. Which is why it always seemed so stupid to me that people said she was a virgin. Especially because didn't you have to consummate a marriage in those days before it was considered real?
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Elisa Stevens 5 years ago
From Gen 3:14 God promises a savior to defeat evil from a woman... not a man.... From Isaiah 9:6 a CHILD is born, a SON is given... Jesus, both God and Man... the only way to be a perfect sacrifice for the sins of mankind... look around, see any other 'good enough' people? The hyperlinks throughout the Bible are amazing.
MrTree1779 5 years ago
14 year old has affair with older man, claims "God did it" to avoid being stoned to death for adultery.
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If Adam and Eve were the first two people on Earth and are responsible for the birth of all people ever, than the entire human race is the product of incest. Although, to be fair, that does explain quite a lot.
karla Meixnerová 5 years ago
I was told, that we should not take whole Genesis literally. You should look at it as a symbol - so Adam and Eve were symbols for a human race. But to be honest, we have a very "cool" priest, he said, that he has no problem to believe, that Adam and Eve migth even be a lower stage of human evolution, not Homo sapiens.
Electric Ed 5 years ago
That is the entire point of this BP page. To realize to not take the bible literally. To paraphrase cap'n Barbossa: "The Code is more what you call guidelines, than actual rules"
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Scagsy 5 years ago
That's exactly right and technically since Eve was reportedly made from one of Adam's ribs, is he not then procreating with a prat of HIMSELF? And does that make him gay or a w@nker?
Michael Jackson 5 years ago
Do the maths. Even at a relatively short level of repetition, there has to be a discrete level of incestuous reproduction in order for the world not to have been overrun. The moral laws governing correct relationships did not come about until the time of Moses, and even then they only pertained to the Jewish nation, and did not make exclusions beyond immediate family. Kissing cousins, anybody?
K.Kobayashi 5 years ago
Inbreeding is a problem because of disorders caused by recessive genes. *IF* God made Adam and Eve with perfectly healthy genes, incest would not have caused any problems. Perhaps genetic disorders appeared later from mutations.
Suzi Gauthier 5 years ago
No, once they were thrown out of Eden, they became imperfect. To be honest, it was the Tree of Knowledge that they ate from. That was old timer Christians trying to keep their flock from getting too educated. They're still doing it.
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Poopy Puppy 5 years ago
Every single point you make is based on your own assumptions which are completely wrong. You know nothing about what Christianity teaches and you did not do any research whatsoever. You are displaying your own ignorance without even knowing it.
K.Kobayashi 5 years ago
But weren't there 2 specific individual (Adam and Eve) who got kicked out of the Garden of Paradise? Or was it a whole group?
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I would say about 3/4 of hardcore Christians think being LGBT is wrong and against their god, but then also say that "God created everyone exactly how he wants them to be" like ?????
Terd Fergison 5 years ago
The bible says to get the town together and stone the homosexuals to death! If you aren't willing to follow through on your evil god's commands, maybe shut up about homosexuality. The bible is so evil that if you really followed all of its instructions in our modern societies, you would be arrested for committing atrocious acts.
Bill Allen 5 years ago
Why does God only talk to Jewish people and once Jesus died and was resurrected, God no longer talks to anybody?
Fiish 5 years ago
I've had this explained to me by my religious teachers so many times lol. short answer is apparently Lgbt people exist because humans give into sin and 'become' Lgbt :/ (im not sure if this is the proper explanation tho because my teachers are a bit hardcore religious)
Parmeisan 5 years ago
A lot of the people who say this, say it because they themselves are tempted by homosexuality. What 100% straight person has to work so hard at being straight? There are a lot of really fervent anti-gay evangelists that turn out to be gay (and secretly giving into it, which is how they get found out). Which really is just sad for those people who believe that propaganda.
Load More Replies... Foxxy (The Original) 5 years ago (edited)
Apparently (from what I have been told) being homosexual is not a sin but the act of homosexuality is. In the bible it doesn’t say you can’t be in a relationship with the same sex, it says it is a sin to have sexual relations with the same sex.
Lizzie 5 years ago
Made in His image and “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.” For me this means loving people as they are and respecting who they are. No one should according to this be judged by other people based on religion, gender, sexual preferences, skincolour, or anything else. The world would be a better place for it.
LittleMissLotus 5 years ago
@Terd Fergison- I totally agree! Why was your comment hidden?? It seems like everyone else agrees too
Parmeisan 5 years ago
If God doesn't want people to be gay, he could have just made them not gay.
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Truth Monster 5 years ago
There is no scientific evidence that people are born with a preset sexual preference. I will add "as of yet", as the science is still very much still in its infancy."Born that way" was propaganda used to leverage LGBTQ into a federal protection class. As a Christian myself, I will say I believe it is a sin. i also believe strongly that it is not my place to harass, harangue, or ill treat someone even if I think they are sinning. My faith is not shaken by other's beliefs, nor is their sin mine. (Thank goodness, because i have plenty of sins of my own as the gloriously flawed human I am)
#6
I could live my entire life, adhering completely to the Christian moral compass, save millions of lives, treat every person with the utmost respect and dignity, refuse all toxic thoughts and actions, and yet (according to most Christian dogma) I would still burn in hell for eternity if I didn’t believe the Christian God exists. That sentiment alone tells me that morality, and the course of our lives in general, is irrelevant in the end. All that matters is that the Christian God gets recognition. That God, to me, sounds more narcissistic than benevolent and loving. And therefore, is not a God I wish to worship. There’s also issues such as, if God is truly omnipotent and omniscient then he could have purged the world of all suffering and pain. But he hasn’t because... he loves us? Because somehow the gift of free will, and therefore the gift of imperfection is more important than letting your children suffer and experience pain? Some children are born into poverty, beaten, starved, and killed before 10 years of age, without ever seeing kindness. What’s the lesson there God? Why must you treat the creations you love with such disdain solely to “make a point.” I could go on. There’s so many issues I have with that belief system and narrative.
Jess-a-men 5 years ago
The "God allows evil because free will" argument always confused me. I mean, isn't he supposed to be almighty? But... not almighty enough to remove evil without impacting free will? What kind of shoddy omnipotence is that supposed to be?
Terd Fergison 5 years ago
True. And do christians believe in heaven, a place where everything is all good? Is there free will in heaven? Many say yes. So, god can make a place that is all good with free will. Then why not choose to do that on earth?
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Michael Jackson 5 years ago
1 Corinthians 1 v23:24 "but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God." The gospel of Jesus Christ and the truth behind the Creator God and His relationship with His people will always seem to be foolishness to those who are perishing (that's everyone who is lost in sin). This exactly where faith comes in. What you, and others like you, prayerfully, need to realise is simply that it is not about you. God is the Maker and Creator, and we are His creation. And we messed up. And we have a chance to be redeemed to Him and enjoy the splendour that he originally had in mind for us. Dont believe me? Ask Jesus.
Latifa Shabnaz 5 years ago
Point here is that people assume that their relationship with God is that of equals. That somehow he owes it to you to be on your level or provide with what you need. His world his rules, despite that you might not be happy about it. Same as what government do. I dont see people complaining that the robots or machines they make get treated badly and thrown in the trash or discarded when they dont perform as expected.
Hagrinas Mivali 5 years ago
On the bright side, if the Jews are right, you'd be in great shape. You'd be in better shape than any Jew who led the same life, because if neither of you kept kosher, kept the Sabbath, etc. it wouldn't be held against you, but would have been a sin for the Jew, who was commanded to do things that you weren't.
Damon Gates 5 years ago
I refuse to believe in a God that requires constant praise and adoration. Is He/She/It/They really that emotionally fragile?
Ποιητικό Αίτιο 5 years ago (edited)
My priest told me that, if you do good, you don't have to believe in God to go to heaven. On the free will subject, the problem with freedom is that people abuse it and create inequalities, by taking power, goods and money off of others, "legally" (according to human law) or not. So I'm upset too that free will does not shield your boundaries from others' abuse, and that God doesn't enforce it. Edit: another issue with free will: you are free to do what I say or burn in hell. Freedom of choice?
Darren Lewis 5 years ago
And herein lies my biggest argument against religion (not faith - I will hold no one's faith against them but religion is an agency of man for money and power.)
#7
God is perfect and cannot sin. There exists “the wrath of God.” Wrath is one of the seven deadly sins.
K.Kobayashi 5 years ago
So presumably, that monk thought God was a sinner.
Load More Replies... Terd Fergison 5 years ago
The god of the bible has the same traits as the men that created him. He's petty, jealous, wrathful, vengeful, prideful, boastful, hypocritical, homophobic, tribalistic, misogynistic, needs constant worship, etc. He's a blood thirsty warmonger. He was pleased when King David brought him hundreds of bloody foreskins. He was with his chosen people in a battle, but they still lost because the enemies had iron chariots!
J. Zingler 5 years ago
If God is almighty can he create a stone that is so heavy even God can't lift it?
John Louis 5 years ago
Ephesians 4:26 In your anger do not sin. Anger is not a sin, but can certainly lead to it.
Terd Fergison 5 years ago
The god of the bible has all of the human traits of the men that created him. He's petty, wrathful, jealous, prideful, boastful, homophobic, hypocritical, judgmental, needs constant worship, etc.
Michael Jackson 5 years ago
Righteous wrath versus unrighteous wrath. Mankind deserves the fullness of God's wrath for its sin.
Latifa Shabnaz 5 years ago
Now the same type of wrath is being talked about. Its like you love, your mom, your wife and your daughter(or father, husband and son) but its not the same love.
#8
God teaches us that it is a sin to be envious, and to be prideful, and that we must have compassion and understanding for others. And yet he will literally condemn someone to an eternity in hell for not worshiping him, even if said person has literally never heard of him.
Thomas brennan 5 years ago
To be fair, our perception of hell, fire, brimstone, the devil, torturing etc. Is more of a medieval invention. The Bible never mentions Satan as a ruler of hell nor does it describe any horrible firey torture. It actually speaks of hell as a place without God...the idea is your punishment is you never get blissful heaven
Terd Fergison 5 years ago
The phrase " weeping and gnashing of teeth" appears seven times in the New Testament as a description on the fate of the unrighteous ones at the conclusion of the age. It is thought to derive from a logion in the hypothetical Q source, which yielded Matthew 8:12 and Luke 13:28
Load More Replies... Foxxy (The Original) 5 years ago
Supposedly god can read peoples hearts so if you are a decent person and after armageddon agree to gods rule then you ate likely to live for eternity. The reason why is just because people claim they are religious and followers of the bible does not mean the person is decent or that person will live for eternity. What you do when you are alive only accounts for part of your “evaluation” to living a peaceful afterlife.
Daniel R. 5 years ago
Like George Carlin said, "And if you do any of these ten things (breaking the commandments), he has a special place, full torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time...................... But He loves you!"
Mewton’s Third Paw 5 years ago
I was just talking about how pathetic Yahweh is for this a couple days ago
Michael Jackson 5 years ago
The condemnation comes from not acknowledging Him. He created us. He gave us free will. By Him we are fearfully and wonderfully made. He has counted every hair on our heads, He sat with us in the womb while we were being knit together. He loves us with a ferocity sufficient to cause Him to leave heaven and come to earth and die on a cross as an atonement for ALL of our sins. I can barely stand under the weight of my own! Yet he has promised to wash us clean. In truth, whoever you are, He is worthy of all glory, honour and praise. And yet all He asks is faith as small as a mustard seed. Think about it, ask Him about it, and open your heart to possibility that it could all be real.
Latifa Shabnaz 5 years ago
I dont know where you get the literally never heard of him bit from.
John Louis 5 years ago
Titus 2:11 The Grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all. A tenet of the Christian Faith is that God spiritually interacts with all people drawing them to him. Your asking this question may be an example of this.
#9
I don't believe in any kind of God but I've always found it funny how in the bible, God made the sun on the fourth day. How could there have been any days before that?
Mewton’s Third Paw 5 years ago
I feel this should be number one and this one alone should be the reason why people don’t believe the Bible. A real god wouldn’t have made such a dumb primitive mistake.
Fred and George Weasley 5 years ago
this is so true. the bible doesnt make sense to me and just seems crazy. i am an aetheist so i just have the opinion that it seems ridiculous to believe in. (i know people can have their own opinions and beliefs but this is just my opinion)
Terd Fergison 5 years ago
Also, plants were created before the sun! How did the plants survive without freezing to death?
Michael Jackson 5 years ago
Days here alluded to are Biblical epoch, the metronomic ordering of time that began at the beginning. You might want to look deeper and consider that the sun and the moon were created after the earth. That would make the earth, like, really special.
Latifa Shabnaz 5 years ago
Why do you conflagrate the presence of the sun as being necessary for there having been other things before? he made light on the first day, unless you think that there is no light without the sun? If you really want a major loophole and something really problematic here is that he rested after all that. What God gets tired?
K.Kobayashi 5 years ago
A day is one rotation of the Earth. Even without the Sun, presumably the Earth still rotated.
#10
I don't know if this is considered as a plot hole: Judas Iskariot was essential to Jesus' plan. If he didn't sold Jesus out then the prophecy will not come true. Why then is he considered a villain? He should be at the top! He got the job done!
YupItsMe1234 5 years ago
I actually asked this question when I was 7 or 8 at my Catholic school. I was told to go see the priest. He got angry at me because I couldn't understand. Made me say an entire rosary. I still don't understand why he is vilified. Apparently praying an entire rosary didn't give me the answers (go figure)
Mark Serbian 5 years ago
That's the problem with Catholic School. You're taught to NOT ask questions. Just believe... the nuns who taught me at least had an answer to this question: "It's a mystery"
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Hugh Fokker 5 years ago
This is how it was explained to me as a kid: Judas had free will. If he would have chosen not to betray Jesus, then God would have had to wait a little longer. Jesus was sent to die for our sins, and there were many methods that would have done that. If all of the humans made the right choice, Jesus would have still died of old age. Judas' betrayal was just the free will choice that triggered those events... Can you imagine how boring the bible would have been if Jesus died of natural causes? 69 year old jesus dies of a coronary on the toilet while wearing blue suede shoes...
Mewton’s Third Paw 5 years ago (edited)
Judas is an angel in heaven, so, not really a villain. Obviously I don’t believe in angels, but I’ve seen Jesus Christ Superstar enough to know that.
Abbie Abdullah 5 years ago
I've always liked Judas - but that's mostly because of having watched David McCallum play the role in The Greatest Story Ever Told - and I was a big fan of The Man From U.N.C.L.E at the time (still am)..
Vladimíra Matejová 5 years ago
1) god gives everyone a free will 2) god decides his son needs to be born, betrayed, crucified and ressurected 3) Jesus tell the prophecy of the betrayal 4) Judas gets the job done and Jesus is killed and ressurected 5) Judas is punished for the betrayal My question is...if God planned it all the way...in what sense did Judas act out of his free will? and why was he punished for what was the God's plan from the beginning?
Michael Jackson 5 years ago
The betrayal was essential to the fulfillment of scripture, as was Christ's death. However, the fulfillment relied on the free will choices of men and women. We cannot celebrate Judas Iscariot's role because ultimately, even after the betrayal, he chose not to repent and to stand against God. Simon Peter, who also betrayed the Messiah at this point (as did all the apostles apart from John) grieved his sin and repented to return and serve God in his brokeness. I am sorry that someone with spiritual authority over you handled your question so badly, maybe a quick study of why Martin Luther chose to break away from the roman Catholic Church would shed some light on the ineffective teaching.
Latifa Shabnaz 5 years ago
Just because someone was needed for a plot to happen doesnt make them automatically into saviours. If we follow your logic the jews should hail hitler because through his horrible crime, they were able to be given the Israel. What he did may have led to athe desirable outcome but doesnt make it any less vile.
Kelli Allred 5 years ago
I agree SO much with this! I always wondered why Judas was view poorly if he only helped fulfill what needed to be done!
Barbara Kenny 5 years ago
I have always wondered about that! Judas was needed, & I wonder if he was forgiven? Even though he committed suicide, which we were thought was the sin of despair!
#11
What happened to all the fresh water fish in the flood
Craig Welch 5 years ago
How come every other civilisation on the planet never noticed the flood?
Electric Ed 5 years ago
They drowned. Which means later day fresh water fish evolved from salt water fishes. (which didn't drown even if the saline levels of the seas must have dropped - but either way, one of the two categories of fish died). Which just shows us the bible is one more proof for the theory of evolution.
Terd Fergison 5 years ago
They have a good point, but it would also be a little bit reversed as well. When it rains, it usually rains fresh water, so almost all of the salt water animals would have died out. Would Noah have 2 of every type whale and their food sources on the ark?
Terd Fergison 5 years ago
The point is correct. But, maybe slightly reversed. If it rains, it generally rains fresh water. So almost all of the salt water animals would have died. Did Noah put every species of whale on his boat? And all of their food sources?
Hume de Bruyn 5 years ago
The flood could very well have been only in a specific area, or, the known world, for those who experienced it. So to them, it was still the end of the world, as they did not even know a place like Asia existed, for example.
Michael Jackson 5 years ago
Great question! Although the increase in water, enough to cover the whole earth, must have come from underground sources that are usually far less salty than the sea. The possibility is that the diluvian sea was just better equipped to support both. Cells of warmer, less salty water could also have formed.
Latifa Shabnaz 5 years ago
Yeah this wouldnt make sense especially if we were to think in terms of a worldwide flood. But the commands does list 7 pairs of animals and birds separately which could lead to indicate that animals here is not inclusive of birds and probably not of fish eithjer
Marcos Agüero 5 years ago
The real problem is not the fresh water fish, as the rain is "fresh", but the salt water fish, because the rain water will dilute the salt and make the oceans inhabitable for them.
#12
Plot hole: there are hundreds of other religions that also claim to be the only true one
Scagsy 5 years ago
That's where us Agnostics come in. We're not necessarily 'in' or 'out'. We'll just see and decide at the time.
Darren Lewis 5 years ago
To be clear I consider organized religion an evil tool created by man to control other people. Faith is different. In that there are many people of true faiths. They don't all believe in the same god but their faith and belief is true (and that certainly doesn't include those megachurch charlatans). In my opinion, every god who has TRUE believers is real. Their belief gives that god/goddess whatever truth and existence. Their god may not be true or real in my world but it is in theirs. As mine is in my life. Thankfully mine likes whisky and strippers.
Luke Travis 5 years ago
Logically this only qualifies as a certifiable plot hole for all but one of such religions : P
Michael Jackson 5 years ago
The authenticity of a particular religion rests in its ability to explain the universe, its character, its formation and to manifest the power of its deity / spirits before witnesses. The God of the Bible has done this throughout history to many witnesses who have been prepared to testify to the same on pain of death. Strangely, and contrary to the ancient teachings of the majority of other religion's texts, the Bible in fact declares itself to be more true, the deeper we go into research and understanding by other means, such as the religion of science. Also God Himself has come to earth, testified to by hundreds of witnesses, and continues to manifest His power through His Holy Spirit. Jesus Himself said, "I am the way, the truth and the life" and the Bible says later that there is no other name under heaven by which we can be saved. Weird but true. All I can testify to, after coming to Christ relatively late, is that it absolutely is, and I recommend it to everyone.
Elisa Stevens 5 years ago
What is interesting are the vast amount of similarities... says C.S. Lewis, the most reluctant Christian convert ever! Your statement is just one of his logical arguments in "Mere Christianity".
J. Zingler 5 years ago
Well, but that's one thing you can really blame "the Jews" for. They invented monotheism...
#13
This isn’t my religion, but I always found it hypocritical that the gods punished Oedipus for sleeping with his mother without realizing it, despite the fact that Zeus married his own sister while being fully aware that they were siblings.
Eric Mac Fadden 5 years ago
Zeus could do whatever he wants.... who - besides Kratos - would disagree?
Jennifer Ferguson 5 years ago
I'm a little rusty here, but I thought Oedipus was punished for patricide.
Suzi Gauthier 5 years ago
Heck, Abraham had his wife sleep with a King then God killed him for sleeping with her.
May-Lin Martinsen 5 years ago
Yeah, but the Greek Gods weren't meant to be perfect in any way - they just had powers, but were very human in their behaviours. Hypocrisy included.
Rosalie Stevenson 5 years ago
It wasn't punishment. He was just told that he would kill his father and marry his mother.
Markus Holstein 5 years ago
Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi - What's allowed for Jupiter is not allowed for an ox
#14
Late to the party, but in Islam there's the belief that God knows everything you will do before you're even born. Meaning that we don't control our own actions. At the same time, to get into Heaven, you need to-- of your own accord-- pray 5 times daily, read the Quran, etc. So my thing is this: If God knows what everyone is gonna do beforehand, and He knows people aren't gonna do what it takes to get into Heaven (cause he is omniscient); doesn't this then mean that God has already decided who goes to Heaven and who gets Hell? Cause there's no possible way in any Abrahamic religion (cause they all operate under the "do this to get into paradise" thing and all have God knowing everything before it happens) that we'd be able to try to get into Heaven. And this is just the tip of the iceberg on questions
Kitsune Fox Girl 5 years ago
Wait... If God controls your actions, He doesn't just know if you'll go to heaven or hell... He can make you perform actions that will send you to heaven or hell! Plot twist
Bunny Wood 5 years ago
Hold please. Your question will be answered by our next available specialist... Your call is very important to Islam and Muhammed values your feedback, please indicate to your imam if you want this call recorded.
Scagsy 5 years ago
Isn't this whole 'do this to get into heaven' sketch simply elitist? The best worshippers go to heaven and the atheists (non-worship) go to hell?
BG 5 years ago (edited)
"Doing the things" to get into heaven is a sure sign of a cult (see LDS and Roman Catholicism). "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9not by works, so that no one can boast." (Eph 2:8-9) The only thing required is faith in Christ, which is a gift of God.
Load More Replies... Marcos Agüero 5 years ago
So, the existence is pointless and unnecessary. The whole mankind, past, present and future, can be judge at any point with no alteration of the result. All the suffering and pain in the world is just for god entertainment.
Meyer Weinstock 5 years ago
We Protestants call it predestination. It's a crock of Calvinist **** crafted to justify the rule of gold, law, and power. I dissent. -Rev Dr M, (now excommunicated)
Michael Jackson 5 years ago
Just because God knows what you are going to do, doesn't mean that He makes you do it. That's what free will is all about.
Latifa Shabnaz 5 years ago
Islam beleives that God knows all you will do but that you dont thus in the ignorance of your future you will do the actions that God knows you would do but they are your choice. Its like i know if i leave cake on the table my kids will eat it up, doesnt mean i force him to eat the cake. Yes you are right to assume that God already knows who is going to heaven and hell and has alredy made their place for them over there for each respectively. Not just Abrahamic religions believe in the premise of omniscience of God or that actions needs to be performed following the deities instructions its almost a universal concept in most religion.
Rashd Adamska 5 years ago
Choice. every possible choices that you made god know what the outcomes, and choice that you take might change possible outcome in the future that might have other choices and so on. And god knows all that outcome. Its like causality. That what they taught me. Just like Dr.Strange see 14million plus possibility to defeat Thanos.
Ποιητικό Αίτιο 5 years ago
Yep. God knowing the future means there is a Fate. A Fate existing means people don't have freewill, as the outcome of their actions is predetermined. My priest tells me that God doesn't know the future as it is not set in stone (lucky pun), but instead he knows the alternate futures that might come - that's kind of compatible with chaos theory I think?
#15
I want to know why so many Christians say that murder is wrong but ignore all the killing that God did in the Bible. Like, how do they justify drowning everyone except Noah and his family?
troufaki13 5 years ago
Or the millions of people that died in the name of God because they refused this religion?
Csaba Hegedűs 5 years ago
I think we can all agree that most of those people didn't have to die just because of that, but for having land, gold, you name it.
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gods so forgiving... but he wouldn't give a whole world (except Noah and co) a second chance??? 🤷♀️
CP 5 years ago
I never understood the personality change of God form the Old to the New testament. If God is perfect why did he change?
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Strahd Ivarius 5 years ago
Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god. Jean Rostand (1939).
Terd Fergison 5 years ago (edited)
The god of the bible is very evil. I have talked to christian apologists that say, because god created everything, he is allowed to kill and torture whoever he wants. I don't buy that argument. I use this analogy to counter it: Let's say in a hypothetical country where you are allowed to own puppy mills, and the laws of this country allow you to kill the puppies at your choosing. In this hypothetical, your family owned the puppy mill for generations and generations and your father passed away and left it to you. You kill the puppies through torturous drowning just because you want to (Noah's ark story). While you are legally allowed to torture and kill these puppies, I still find it evil and abhorrent.
J. Zingler 5 years ago
Or Herodes killing all the male babies because the birth of Christ was told him?
Michael Jackson 5 years ago
You would have to look at the definition of 'murder' as 'the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.' The key word is 'unlawful'. God has, did and will kill many on the basis that He knows our hearts, minds, thoughts and deeds. He is able to discern rightly who is good and who is not, namely those who repent of their sins and accept Jesus as their Lord and saviour on Judgement day and those who will not. What God doesn't do is 'random' or 'unfair'. Though it may shake us to know this, we must also see that His compassion stretches and covers many more, even to His commitment to redeem us to Him through His death upon the cross.
#16
Evidence.
Craig Welch 5 years ago
“Proof denies faith and without faith he is nothing “ - Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy
Elisa Stevens 5 years ago
You mean like the archaeological finds of the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Tel Dan stele, or the Babylonian finds that corroborate the historical stories in Kings? I don't think I understand your comment. There is no 'evidence' that 6 am tomorrow exists or will exist... but, in faith, I will probably still set my alarm tonight. Just because time is invisible doesn't mean I don't accept its reality... why would I rule out a Spiritual dimension on that same basis?
Nicholas Stone 5 years ago
Those archaeological finds are simply evidence that people had these religious beliefs hundreds or thousands of years ago, not that a God or Gods exist(s). They also do not prove that a spiritual dimension exists.
Load More Replies... Terd Fergison 5 years ago
Where is the evidence? Where did he come? Did he come on your beard? Is that why your beard is like that?
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The lack of dinosaurs.
Mainecoonsandhuskies 5 years ago (edited)
God just yeeted Adam onto earth and human evolution APPARENTLY didn't happen
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Cuddles 5 years ago
I went to a Christian school and the teacher there said that dinosaurs are fake and the fossils were planted there by Satan to make us doubt authority and God. I must've annoyed that teacher _SO MUCH_ because I was always asking questions whenever something seemed 'off'. (So...all the time. LOL) She also told a six year old boy that his dog who had just died that morning wasn't in Heaven because "Animals don't have souls." Made me mad so I said "It says in Revelations that Jesus will come back on a white horse. Jesus is in Heaven, yes?" "Yes. He will come back on a white horse." "WHERE DID HE GET THE HORSE?" She made me stand in the corner and 'think about what I said' and I was like "I'll think about how I'm right. That dog was a pure soul, they get in wherever they want."
J. Zingler 5 years ago
Dinosaurs were on the third ark, together with unicorns and dragons. The third ark sunk. But they really do not like talking about that.....
Rose the Cook 5 years ago
As a child my scripture teacher told us they were too heavy and would have sunk the Ark.
Michael Jackson 5 years ago
Many creatures were destroyed in the flood. On how excellent our God is, without the rise and fall of the dinosaurs there would be no birds. We cannot know the extraordinary lengths our Creator went to to order and make the universe that we live in, though we do know that He wrestled and even killed monsters of great power in order to achieve it.
Luke Travis 5 years ago
Elephants aren't mentioned in the Bible either and from the fossil record we believe that they were globally quite prevalent. I'm not sure the Bible was meant as a field guide to the local wildlife...
#18
If man is not perfect, but man wrote the Bible how am I supposed to trust what I’m reading from the Bible. How do I know they didn’t mess anything up?
Rose the Cook 5 years ago
The Bible was written long after the events suppossedly happened. The stories must have been retold, altered and exagerated many times before being set down.
Jacques Potgieter 5 years ago (edited)
This is my thinking as well. Although I am still a Christian, I do not believe the Bible word-for-word. There is too much human influence and interference everywhere. I have faith in God, but not in humanity. There is a saying going around that says "God made everyone equal, but only mankind went and decided which ones were mistakes." I don't know if that's the exact quote or who said it, but I really live by this as well.
Cordi Schmidt 5 years ago
The Bible was rewritten and edited so many time so it would fit the currently ruling monarch/church to get their ways :D Indulgences in Middle Ages for example :D
Craig Welch 5 years ago
And which version of the bible? There are multiple, all saying different things
Terd Fergison 5 years ago (edited)
But, faith is useless; often times faith is detrimental. When you have good evidence, you don't need faith. The insane asylums are filled with people that have much more faith than you. Faith proves nothing.
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We can read Egyptian hieroglyphics. They kept extensive records. No mention of using Jewish slaves to build the pyramids, them revolting, a royal named Moses or a Red Sea parting.
Violet brown 5 years ago (edited)
Jewish slaves were kept and used but A sea splitting and ten plagues, really?
Dave P 5 years ago
that is correct, however other construction projects used slaved quite often, like the massive building at Karnak and other places. And the two main slave groups in Egypt own records were either Semitic or Nubian, so slave labor is well documented, as well as the use of semitic slaves
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Ποιητικό Αίτιο 5 years ago
On the other hand, that doesn't sound like something an Egyptian regime would want to immortalise.
Meyer Weinstock 5 years ago
The Gizan pyramids are at least 1,000 years older than the Josephan migration into and Mosaic migration out of Egypt. Time frames are everything.
Rose the Cook 5 years ago
During the annual fooding of the Nile a lot of people couldn't work and were conscripted for the construction of public works.
Michael Jackson 5 years ago
Your assumption is that they would record and write of such embarrassing events in a tabloid fashion of this day. I wonder how many hard drives and newspapers would survive four thousand years from now, even with the proliferation we have them in today?
Latifa Shabnaz 5 years ago
Yeah and some American history books dont mention that Africans were frocefully stolen from their countries, converted to another religion and forced to wwork in horrible conditions and are still not being victimise and systemically discriminated againt. The rulers dont often talk about what isnt in their favour.
#20
Not really a plot hole in the Christianity , but a plot hole in the interpretation of it. Christianity was originally highly Jewish based and they didn’t like Romans, a few centuries later it was Roman/ European based and they heavily discriminated Jewish people. Wut
Craig Welch 5 years ago
Also, modern Christianity was created when it was mixed with the pagan faith. No paganism is considered devil worship
Hume de Bruyn 5 years ago
Christianity was never in alignment with Jewish beliefs. However, yes, it did branch from it, from the old testament, but then, even Islam takes a few pages from that book. And the only reason the Romans decided to adopt Christianity was for political reasons. Which then coincidently got Christianity to spread across Europe in later years.
Abbie Abdullah 5 years ago
You should read 'Creating Christ' by James S. Valliant & Warren Fahy to see how that all transpired!
Mike Ellis 5 years ago
You mean like... religion evolved for political ends... to control the population... 'God bless America'....
#21
I'm a lapsed catholic. Idolatry is one of the biggest "plot holes." If you worship the virgin Mary or any other saint you are as a matter of fact doing blasphemy. Don't come with the argument of them being a "middle man." Speak to god directly. The worship of saints is pretty much polytheism with yahweh (christian god) being Zeus's equivalent.
Andres Tejeda 5 years ago
I asked my priest this when I was young (use to be catholic), I even told him why confess my sins to you? why not cut out the middle man and go straight to Jesus with my sins and prayers. He kicked me out of his office. I also brought up the point of graven images, where it is actually forbidden according to the catholic version of the 10 commandments. Then I told him the statue of Jesus on the cross, the rosary , and stained glass were all graven images. and again was kicked out.
Michael Jackson 5 years ago
That is one of the major arguments of the Protestant movement, and a valid one. Our God is a jealous God when it comes to worship. I recommend you pray to make contact with a 'good', God honouring, protestant church to explore your faith further. You are right that you can ask the Father directly for help. Read 2 Thessalonians 2 v1:4
Elisa Stevens 5 years ago
I don't get the worship of Mary either... that is definitely not in the Christian bible. The Catholic church definitely has a sketchy history that has nothing to do with the book of Acts or the teachings of Paul or Peter... I don't get that part of history... really thankful that God decided the invention of the printing press should coincide with Martin Luther and the Protestant reformation...( I remember learning that in school and thinking, Huh? That's pretty coincidental.) So long 'teaching' in Latin... hello, bibles in languages everyone could read for themselves.
#22
Why would satan punish humans for rebelling against god, something that he himself once did. I've always thought of it as hypocritical, and that satan would reward the human for exercising their free will and living a life free of religious constraints.
troufaki13 5 years ago
Lucifer means the bearer of light (light=knowledge). I don't understand either...
Michael Jackson 5 years ago
Put simply, Satan has no interest in people other than separating them from God. He was not set up to 'punish' humans, he hates all of God's creation, and God Himself. He was a thief and a murderer from the beginning, a deceiver and a destroyer. His part in causing Adam and eve to sin gave him the authority over the whole world, to continually descend it into its wicked state, until Christ won that same authority back off him at His crucifixion. Jesus then returned to Heaven with that authority over the world. Satan has no claim over this earth or its inhabitants (though he has many of us fooled) if they could just grasp that putting faith in Jesus leads to salvation through the repentance and giving up of sin.
Latifa Shabnaz 5 years ago
This dichotomy of Satan is something quite recent. He isnt he one that punishes human, he is also one of those that is and will be punished by God. His goal is merely not to go down alone.
Craig Welch 5 years ago
Satan works for god, as a way of terrifying people into worshiping him out of fear. (Apart from the fact that it is not true)
CP 5 years ago
My mind was just blown. Most of the questions on this list I have thought about. But this one is a new one for me. I like it!
Chich 5 years ago
I read one interpretation years ago that had lucifer as being so devout that he was the only one who could be trusted to be put in charge of testing people's faith and punishing them for failing. Or it could be just like the song says " there ain't no devil, that's just god when he's drunk"
Mewton’s Third Paw 5 years ago
In the Bible, hell is just being separated from god, not the fire and brimstone from Dante’s inferno.
John Louis 5 years ago
Satan does not punish humans for rebelling against God. There's nothing about that in the Bible at all.
#23
It's not my religion but "I love everyone no matter what" followed by "You better love me back or I'm gonna hate you forever and torture you for eternity" followed by "I don't love those people neither should you, what you should do is make their lives a living hell".
Helen Haley 5 years ago
If I understand my highly christian family on that one, making their lives hell IS loving them because it is how they get them to change so they can get into heaven. It is some twisted logic. Like people who fat shame others.
Michael Jackson 5 years ago
It easy to see why they say that the Devil twists scripture. Try reading, "I love you with a love that transcends every other form of love" followed by "even to the point of surrendering my only Son that you might not die, but receive eternal life." foillowed by an everlasting life in paradise (a place where we cannot even imagine how good it is) forever in the company of God and all the other groovy people.
Latifa Shabnaz 5 years ago
I love everyone no matter what doesnt seem like something a religious person would say by definition any religion has aspect it considerrs abhorrent that any devout folllow would need to feel distate for to be considered part of it.
#24
An omnipotent being is used to explain the origin of everything in this universe, but there's no explanation for the origin of said omnipotent being.
Rose the Cook 5 years ago
Exactly, my question as a child although not quite so elegantly phrased. "Please Miss who were God's parents?"
Michael Jackson 5 years ago
To quote from the Koran, "La illahah illa Allah". "There is no God but God." There can be no explanation because there is no explanation. God is.
Latifa Shabnaz 5 years ago
Such a miscontrued philosophical point. If a God has a creator he ceases to be a God since he himself came into existence, religion believe that God exists outside creation which is why he s God and not just some superpowered person. Also it quaint that one needs to know who made God while at the same time proponing that some stuff just are here and didnt come from anything.
Paul O'Connor 5 years ago
THIS was the rock my faith died on at 17yrs old, followed by some tortuous thinking about God being oneself to get around Catholic guilt before segueing into straight up atheism.
BiLal Asif 5 years ago
I also had that question since my childhood & nobody could answer that & sometimes i didn't have the courage to ask
Hume de Bruyn 5 years ago
True. But this is true no matter what way you look at this. If there is no god, then how do you explain how we are here, to begin with? Could take the big bang, but then you can ask, where did that come from, to begin with? How could anything that physically exists be explained when going back far enough, and asking the same question?
#25
If Satan punishes those who sin, wouldn't he be considered a good guy? Alternatively, if Satan is a bad guy, why would he punish other sinners?
BiLal Asif 5 years ago (edited)
That's not true even by biblical standards at least read the Bible before Saying things like that
Latifa Shabnaz 5 years ago
Again Satan doesnt punish he is punished, he just lures people with him so he doesnt fall alone. The dichotomy of God being at the level of Satan (as if Satan was an anti-God at the same level as God) is a somewhat new construct in the judeo-chriatian dogma.
Elisa Stevens 5 years ago
Why would you think Satan punishes sinners? He lures us to sin, then he just enjoys our company. He rebelled, he wanted to be like God, thought he was good enough... but misery loves company. He wants to take as many down with him. When Jesus Christ was resurrected, showing His defeat over death and that sin no longer has the power to separate believers from God, Satan keeps trying to convince us that... "That doesn't include you." He's a liar and a sore loser.
Suzi Gauthier 5 years ago
I thought he was an angel who got mad at God because he WASN'T punishing bad humans, so God threw him out of heaven. I guess God gave him his leftovers to punish.
Mewton’s Third Paw 5 years ago
I don’t think he punishes them, he just lives with them, away from god, and probably has some kind of dominion over them. God doesn’t even seem to claim that Lucifer is gonna hurt non believers. That’s just part of Christian folklore but I’m pretty sure it’s not in the Bible.
Hume de Bruyn 5 years ago
Satan does not punish people, not in the sense you are saying. He is remorseful, alone, guilty, etc etc. He wants others to join his ship. Almost like if a kid is jealous over another kid having something they don't, so in revenge that kid destroys that something, so that the other one cant have it either. If that makes sense.
#26
What happened to Jesus in his teen years tho?
K. Margarete 5 years ago
There's an awesome and very blasphemous book about that called Lamb: the Gospel according to Biff, Christ's Childhood Pal
BorPand8 5 years ago
It's not that blasphemous. He just goes on a trip around the world and learns kung fu.
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Marcia marcia marcia 5 years ago
LAMB> The Gospel according to Biff, Jesus's childhood best friend. great read.
Katie Haluska 5 years ago
Read the book Lamb by Christopher Moore. It's a satire, funny take, on what Jesus DID do during his teenage years.
Csaba Hegedűs 5 years ago
For more information, read the book 'Lamb: The Gospel According to Biff, Christ's Childhood Pal' by Christopher Moore.
Abbie Abdullah 5 years ago
The guy never actually existed - The Gospels only record the last few years of his 'life' & the nativity wasn't even in the first Gospel (Mark's) - it was an afterthought to pad the story out a little!
#27
The concept of eternal peace and joy in heaven sounds very psychologically degrading long term. It sounds like living like a pet dog.
Placebo Domingo 5 years ago
Valhall seems much more attractive, with unlimited mead drinking and fights all day, forever.
Bunny Wood 5 years ago
It was to keep the peasants in their place. Simple choices you see. Work hard go to heaven. Etc etc
BG 5 years ago
To live in the presence of, and worship our creator. This is purpose for which we were created and can never truly experience in this world.
Load More Replies... Latifa Shabnaz 5 years ago
Why would you assume that time and the concept of its passage would be the same?
Michael Jackson 5 years ago
Part of this life's purpose is to prepare us for that. That this life, with all its trials, suffering and insecurity could be replaced with something that had been true all along and was, as had been expressed throughout the insignificant life so much more complete and satisfying. Awesome, brilliant, amazing. We don't have language or experience that could do Heaven justice. Brilliant +? Anyhow's in scripture it is explained some way like this: 1 Corinthians 13 v12 For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known. :-) <3 That God fully knows us and yet still has a yearning for us to pass into Heaven is just one of the things that gives me confidence in His goodness.
Hume de Bruyn 5 years ago
Living like a pet dog, this is exactly why we got the tree in the first place. How it is being in heaven, I don't know, I suppose being in the presence of God would suffice for eternity, according to the writings.
#28
Why do Christians think the characters in the bible are white or very caucasian looking?
Dave P 5 years ago
Um, the Nestorian Church in China (6th-17th centuries a large presence there) portrayed everyone as Asian looking, the Ethiopian Church portrays as black, the Byzantines did a very Mediterranean look, etc. Everyone imposed their look onto these figures for their own culture. However if you read both Ancient Greek and Egyptian writings about what Semitic people from the Levant looked like, it is very different than what you might think
Hume de Bruyn 5 years ago
I suppose this comes from when Rome decided to adopt Christianity. Looking at how the Romans did things, they loved to steal cultural imagery from Greeks. Then adopting it into their own culture, changing the meanings of names of gods. So with Christianity, we could imagine the same thing happening. Especially with the Holy Roman Empire, which by then was more central European focused. So the characters became caucasian. It has to do with political and cultural motives.
Rose the Cook 5 years ago
Why is the image of Jesus everywhere not more Middle Eastern in appearance? Scientists recently created an image of what the average man of the time and place would have looked like and it is very different to the pictures and statues we see of Jesus.
Dave P 5 years ago
Not scientists, but artists using modern day arabs who only invaded the region in the 7th Century. We actually have descriptions of people from that region from both ancient Greek and Egyptian writings, and let's just say they dont look what we consider Arab, as red and brown hair as described, skin lighter than Egyptian, though not as pale as Europeans, etc, are described. History is a very interesting thing
Load More Replies... Michael Jackson 5 years ago
I agree with Dave P. Nearly always local dominant influence. The dominance of European and then North American in art and literature has meant portrayal as one of the same, though there are many instances where Christ is represented with darker skin and Arabic / Mediteranean features. We do know He was tall and had a beard, and He was described as "A Man of sorrows. "We won't know until He comes again.
Latifa Shabnaz 5 years ago
They dont this is an European attempt to facilitate the spread of the Religion back then and give them some credence of superiority on others. Akin to what movies do.
Mewton’s Third Paw 5 years ago
They are “very Caucasian” considering Caucasian doesn’t mean white, and pretty much everyone in the Bible is from Middle East / North Africa near where the Caucasus range is, and every middle eastern and North African person can be classified as Caucasian based on skill shape, and not fitting into the other TWO classifications that go along with Caucasian (mongoloid and negroid). Caucasian is an outdated term, but that isn’t an invitation for white people to co-opt it like they do every single f*****g thing else and act like it only applies to them. MENAs are technically Caucasian if you’re gonna use that archaic term. What you mean to say is that the characters in the Bible aren’t white Europeans, which is true, they certainly f*****g are not.
Mimi777 5 years ago
true!! On many forms and paperwork people from Saudi Arabia and the Middle East are listed under Caucasian.
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Mohammad Ammar 5 years ago
Yess,there's a lot of racism in religious communities I have to admit.Adam and eve would most likely have been black given that the homo genus is said to have originated in Africa.
Dave P 5 years ago
So the fact that Christian in Medieval China portrayed them as Asian (millions of Christians there during the Yuan dynasty), ones in Ethiopia portraying them as African, etc, etc, and each group making them look like their own culture is racism? Boy you don't know what that word means.
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Former catholic.. still waiting for somebody to explain Jesus's DNA situation is.. is he haploid? Where does his Y chromosome come from? So many questions.
David Brown 5 years ago
I like to tell myself she was raped, but Joseph as a cool dude who kept loving her anyway (at that time in history she'd be executed for it) and either helped or went along with her b******t story to trick the idiots.
Helen Haley 5 years ago
Wasn't marrying your rapist a thing back then? Joseph could either have been a cool dude, or the dude who raped her in the first place and came up with that story to appease some other societal pressure to appear to be the good guy.
Load More Replies... Latifa Shabnaz 5 years ago
Thats the point of the miracle, as parthogenesis is a thing and having a daughter, would have made a field day for those who disbelieved.
pepper 2015 5 years ago
Why not? Have you seen Black Orphan series? The black orphan was created from a single woman who had both male and female DNA.
Michael Jackson 5 years ago
Did they mention that God is all powerful in your former days? God made genes, chromosomes, you , me , everything. If He wanted to impregnate a lady through the power of His Holy Spirit, He could do. It can only be vanity speaking that would attempt to say that you have to understand it. Think about trillions of tons of fusing hydrogen, or a dandelion. Marvellous.
Elisa Stevens 5 years ago
Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born (Mary's side), to us a son is given (pre-existing Son of God)
#30
I am a Christian and a thing that has really puzzled me is that if Adam and Eve ever gave birth to a child wouldn't it be a sin even if marriage wasn't a thing back then? Like despite marriage not being a thing back then it would still technically be a sin in the future. Or did God make marriage a thing in the future and just brush it off since Marriage wasn't a thing back then? I am confusion.
Michael Jackson 5 years ago
Eve was created for Adam to be his wife and life partner. They were married as soon as Adam woke up from the sleep God had put him in, when Adam declares, "And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh." (Read genesis 2 v23:24)
Latifa Shabnaz 5 years ago
A sin basically only exist in so far as it it is defined by the religion. In a purely biological aspect such moral aspects dont crop up at all. Thus is God allowed it in his covenant to them, then it would have been okay. Funny how people are adamant that they sinned because they go against God word, but in newer context of LGBTQIA+ use the same counter-argument to say its okay?
Suzy Sunshine 5 years ago
Another thing with Adam and Eve confused me: Why is Eve condemned for listening to a snake and eating an apple and has to suffer for all eternity and be lower than men yadda, yadda, yadda... but everybody is totally okay with Adam eating said apple. I mean, it's his decision, wasn't it? Now, you could argue that he was seduced into eating the apple but Eve was also seduced and ... I don't know but maybe it's just confusing BS from mysogynists who want to control women by degrading them?
Atika Bennamane 5 years ago
or baptism, or last rights.... no priests to perform any of these things so i guess everyone went to hell??
#31
Why has there been no "holy magical" moments in our time like there's nothing to actually show gods presence. And that's why I'm secretly unreligous(my parents are religious)
Scagsy 5 years ago
Yes. Weird how all this water into wine business happened a lot thousands of years ago and then nothing. Zip. I'd quite like to see a bit of 'water into wine'. Beats Derren Brown
J. Zingler 5 years ago
But then came the EU and plenty of regulations.....
Load More Replies... Mimi777 5 years ago
There’s been instances where a Christian I know has claimed that God gave them a miracle. Example-a family member had cancer and after praying a bunch they survived and are cancer free now. And you can tell them it was modern medicine and doctors that did it but they will still claim God was behind all of that and did the “miracle.”
John Louis 5 years ago
God reveals Himself in a real way to those who submit and follow his will to be a humble servant. Alas, the evangelical church is filled with those who seek God to bolster their own authority or as a source of creature comfort. Nonetheless, I have met real servants who will tell you that God is real and He is not hidden.
Terd Fergison 5 years ago
No. It's a relevant question. How come Paul or Saul got the Damascus Road Experience, but we don't? Jesus supposedly went around performing miracles, but god doesn't show or explain anything to modern people. It's unfair. If he demands modern people to believe, why is his only communication a book full of thousands of contradictions, lies, unfulfilled prophecies, scientific errors, evil, etc.? And he's all powerful, right? He could instantly clear up any doubt about his existence, his rules, his desires. He could telepathically communicate to everyone. Why not?
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If you’re god and you need to split off part of you to send to earth to die for the sins of mankind, wouldn’t it just be faster to like...forgive them yourself? I mean you aren’t scoring points from me for this convoluted story of some Virgin getting knocked up by you to give birth to a form of you that I’m supposed to feel bad about when they die for my sins even though that was their whole purpose.
Mewton’s Third Paw 5 years ago (edited)
Or how about just Yahweh just chill the f**k out in general and stop crying like a punk about some hungry girl eating a slice of fruit.
Elisa Stevens 5 years ago
That girl had EVERY other tree with fruit in an abundant garden to eat... she was well provided for... but that story shows how easily we all are to become prideful and forget that HE is God and we are not. (That is so funny that you used that 'she was hungry' argument... we just had two politicians do the same thing last month to explain violence in NY, Chicago, and Washington... as if Les Miserables is now the new bible, LOL!!!)
Load More Replies... BG 5 years ago
Because god is just. If someone murdered your child and the judge just "forgave" them, that judge would not be just. The wages of sin is death. Treason against the creator of the universe was the crime, and death was the penalty. Christ was the only sacrifice which could atone for the sin, because he was the only sinless, spotless, blameless man who ever existed. My death cannot pay the price for my sin because I already deserve it.
Load More Replies... BG 5 years ago
Because god is just. If someone murdered your child and the judge just "forgave" them, that judge would not be just. The wages of sin is death. Treason against the creator of the universe was the crime, and death was the penalty. Christ was the only sacrifice which could atone for the sin, because he was the only sinless, spotless, blameless man who ever existed. My death cannot pay the price for my sin because I already deserve it.
Augusto Guedes 5 years ago
God likes to do things the complicated way. He never heard of Occam's Razor.
Augusto Guedes 5 years ago
God likes to make things the complicated way. He didn't know about the Occam's Razor.
Elisa Stevens 5 years ago
You don't get the saving grace of God's forgiveness, until you recognize your sinful condition... repent... and actually go to the Lord Jesus to ask for His forgiveness. It's the recognition that you actually need a savior that begins a new life that will thrive in eternity. As long as you're trying to hold God to your standards... you're keeping yourself away from Him and denying your need for Him.
Hume de Bruyn 5 years ago
Well, since God did not change from the old testament to the new, and time might be irrelevant, then we are not worthy of God. People from old to new testament needed Jesus to give us a chance. Plus if God is God, then I suppose he can do as he likes, however he sees fit.
#33
I used to be Catholic; I'm now an atheist. But, if Jesus came to save everyone from sin 2,000 years ago, what about all the other human beings who lived and died 150,000 years before he showed up? Why weren't they saved? Christians will tell you that God saved them anyway, but why do we then have to deal with the can of worms Jesus opened and we have to follow the Ten Commandments and go to Church and tithe and everything else when they didn't have to? There are about 100 billion galaxies each with about 100 billion stars; the odds are very favorable that intelligent life exists elsewhere containing civilizations who will rise up and go extinct before we ever even get CLOSE to finding them. Are they saved? Why didn't Jesus go to them? The Bible is an arbitrary collection. Works were edited, things were lost in translation, books of the Bible were accumulated over time and voted on by councils; some made it in, some didn't. Given that it's basically held together by centuries of drafts and edits and additions and subtractions, how can we trust it? Yet, it's supposed to be THE word of God. ...I could go on. There's nothing like being raised Catholic to make you a nonbeliever lol
Csaba Hegedűs 5 years ago
Though I'm an atheist, I cannot scientifically deny the existence of a god, or gods, though I still can deny religion as a concept, because humans wrote those holy words, and it most likely was edited hundreds of time, until it's likely nothing what it originally was. So, gods might exist, but religion and dogmas are still human-made.
BG 5 years ago
except that most of those old translations, or "edits" are still in existence and can be compared to one-another
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Two Silly Pups 5 years ago
Yeah, there must be other creatures in the universe... and they all avoid humans because... they're intelligent!
BG 5 years ago
"Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.Now when a man works, his wages are not credited to him as a gift, but as an obligation.However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness." Rom. 4:4-5 The old testament, from the very beginning, is about the promise that God would send a Savior to save mankind from sin and death. Folks in the old testament were saved the same way we are now, by having faith in the Messiah, promised as far back as Genesis 3:15.
John Louis 5 years ago
Your first question is answered by Roman 21: 1 - 6. God presents omnipotent inclusivity. If someone throws themselves on the mercy of God without knowing on who that God is they are really no different than many Old Testament figures.
#34
Incest. The Garden of Eden was the Garden of Incest.
#35
Surprised I scrolled down this far to find this, but this was a problem that I raised a lot in my religious classes a child. Never got an answer, usually I was met with a strict scolding. About the closest I ever got to an answer was that in heaven everyone will be so perfectly happy it will be as if our connections from earth won't matter. Obviously they didn't know and were speculating but that actually made me feel even worse.
Mewton’s Third Paw 5 years ago
This is a reddit comment replying to another comment. It needs more context. “Surprised I scrolled so far to find this” and it doesn’t say what “this” is. You can kinda infer it but it’s still a stupid way to make an article on BP.
#36
It's harder to believe than fiction.
Samantha Hurrell 5 years ago
The Red Dwarf sitcom made a joke about it being a work of fiction. (During the episode 'Better Than Life')
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Oh boy I got some good ones Christian here So we all know that Jesus is the main focus of the new testament, but my biggest question is, what happened to him between the ages of 12 and 30 In the entirety of the bible itself,a number of immaculate creatures were named (such as the Behemoth, Leviathan,etc.) but not heard of after being mentioned and no one has ever interacted with them ever since (Although I've read other christian texts, this is going to be one for people have not) where did giants come from, and even more astonishingly, where did they go
Terd Fergison 5 years ago (edited)
Also there were giants before Noah's flood. When god flooded the world he very specifically states that all of the evil things he kills with the flood will never come again. But, later in the bible, there are more evil giants. King David killed Goliath, another evil giant that came about after the flood. Is god incompetent? A liar? Sure seems like it.
BG 5 years ago
Goliath and his brothers were exceptionally tall among the Philistines and he was, therefore selected to be a champion for the nation. There are "giants" among men now, but they're not grotesquely huge "other" beings, just really tall people.
Load More Replies... Two Silly Pups 5 years ago
I am also staggered by the personality change the God goes through between the old testament (grumpy &vengeful old man) and the new one (forgiving and endlessly loving wiseman)
BG 5 years ago
The Old Testament presents the sin problem. Paul refers to it as the Law of Sin and Death. The New Testament presents the Law of Grace after Christ's sacrifice. BTW, God FIRST instinct is always grace. He didn't slay Adam and Eve, but made them a promise. He didn't slay Cain, but protected Him. Same with the Hebrews when they rebelled. The whole book of Judges is about the idiot Hebrews rebelling and God sending a redeemer over, and over again.
Load More Replies... John Louis 5 years ago
My guess is that the Behemoth and the Leviathan were either 1) Another name for existing animals or 2) Supernatural entities at a time when such creatures existed.
Hume de Bruyn 5 years ago
I suppose nothing worth mentioning happened? He had his "teen" years. Another commentator here asked how come God's personality changed from the old to the new testament. It did not. In the new testament, we go through Jesus. For example, why he died on the cross for our sins, because God would never forgive us otherwise. That is an example of the "grumpy and vengeful" old man. As for those creatures, I have never focused on them before, so cannot comment on that.
#38
Literally every biblical story. The more I read it, the less sense it makes. Also the fact that we have to listen to some men who were "supposedly inspired by God" to write misogynistic crap and give stronger grounds to their own selfish need for power.
CP 5 years ago
You should probably reread the bible then. It is full of misogyny.
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That Judas betrayal of Jesus doesn't make sense. Jesus wasn't hiding. He rode into Jerusalem in broad daylight. Everyone knew he was coming. Judas' help wasn't needed to catch him.
Amy Reddick 5 years ago
Actually they needed Judas to identify him...there weren't photos of him circulating around. There are a lot of plot holes in Christianity but this isn't one of them
John Louis 5 years ago
The Jewish authorities wanted the Romans to arrest him to bring them in as part of the process. They wanted Jesus arrested at night to avoid a crowd. Judas knew his whereabouts and identity.
Hume de Bruyn 5 years ago (edited)
As far as I know, Jesus was not in Jerusalem when he was captured. He went to pray, asking God to spare him the responsibility. And was arrested just afterward. And it's made clear that the Romans did not care about Jesus one way or the other. So it's likely they would not have known what he looked like. This is shown with Judas's kiss I believe. The Romans saw the whole ordeal as some Jewish problem, and going through with it will appease the Jews. Since all they cared about was keeping civil unrest to a minimum. And even when they arrested Jesus, they were still unsure what to actually do with him. So maybe it favoured themselves to be able to do the arrest outside of town without causing more problems than needed since they themselves did not yet know what their plan was with him.
#40
Why did they roll a big rock over the the entrance of the cave where Jesus's body was taken to after he died? It seems like something that was insanely impractical for people to do at the time. Was it common practice to throw bodies in a cave and then seal it? If so, was Jesus the last body to be put in? To a non-believer, it just seems like something the story added to make the story more convincing, but it doesn't really make sense outside of the set up for a resurrection story. On the same subject, I've heard a preacher talk about how Jesus basically teleported out of the cave after the resurrection, but god apparently sent an angel to sit on the boulder which was moved out of the way (for no reason). That implies that not only was there a resurrection, but god thought it wasn't miraculous enough and had to add a dash of showmanship to the whole coming back from the dead thing. What's up with that?
Azziza 5 years ago
"The burial caves were in continuous use for several generations by members of the same family. Simple tombs have a narrow opening, sealed with a square stone. " https://mfa.gov.il/mfa/israelexperience/history/pages/archaeological%20sites%20in%20israel%20-%20jerusalem-%20burial.aspx
John Louis 5 years ago
MATT 27: The stone and the guards were placed to prevent the Apostles from stealing Jesus' body and claiming a false resurrection. The tomb was owned by Joseph of Arimathea a wealthy follower of Jesus. The huge stone would have made grave robbing difficult.
#41
Idk about plot holes in my religion, but I like one thing the most in my religion, it mentions a third form of life (apart from a man and woman) and I realized ancient India was very gender fluid, in fact even today whenever a baby is about to be born or is just born, Transgender people go to the new baby's house to give the baby blessing, it is considered auspicious. But ever since Britishers left India, LGBTQ+ community has been looked down upon. I hope they get the same recognition like the ancient times. I am not that religious, I just was more curious about hinduism in quarantine coz boredom was eating me up so I thought let's try the spiritual way what my parents do lmao.
Malakai 5 years ago
That's not what they said at all, dude. They pointed out how an ancient religion already embraced an ideal considered progressive today, before Western imperialism came along. In fact, you can find similar instances across the globe where European imperialists (most commonly British) conquered; Native Americans already embraced the idea of a third gender long before Europeans arrived, for example. None of these societies were perfect, but imperialism caused basically a regression of more progressive ideals that we're still feeling today, especially in regards to LGBTQIA+.
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No longer religious, but one of the biggest contradictions in Christianity is that human beings by nature are morally imperfect beings. Yet a necessary component for the forgiveness of sins includes having the right sort of beliefs toward Jesus. How does it make sense that a person's eternal destiny relies solely on an imperfect being having a specific belief. I think we can all agree that human beings are morally imperfect, but I'd argue that they're far more imperfect when it comes to having true beliefs (assuming Christianity was true). It seems entirely unfair that that is the thing that people are judged on. People would have to be epistemically perfect to be judged on their beliefs.
#43
Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John all have different conflicting accounts of what happened regarding the empty tomb. Did just Mary go alone or did the other Mary go too? Was there an earthquake or did the stone instantly move away or was the stone already rolled away? Did one or two or no angels show and talk to them? Did they go and tell everyone or were they too afraid to? Did they find Jesus was gone and then called the disciples to come see or did the angels tell them to go tell all the disciples? Did Jesus appear in the tomb and talk to Mary? This is one of the plot holes that led me from being a firm believer fundamentalist to an agnostic wishy washy whatevs guy :D Now my Christian belief system has to come to terms with the Perfect Word of God and the imperfect accounts in the Old and New Testaments.
#44
why doesn't Sleipnir have the same sentience as his half siblings when they're all children of Loki? where does all the extra mead from Heiðrún go? and that's only the beginning.
#45
That the earth way created in 3 day. How tf were there days before the earth existed? Was God measuring 'days' based off another planet he created?
Two Silly Pups 5 years ago
Also, how did the plants survive without sun & moon that were created on day 4???
Hume de Bruyn 5 years ago
A day could be a thousand years. It does not have to mean a physical day how we understand it today.
#46
Christians claim that the people in the Bible lived to be absurdly old. For example, they say that Noah was around 650 years old when he built the ark and didn’t die until he was older then 900. How could this even be remotely possible? It doesn’t make sense because they would have lived much shorter lives then we do in the present. They wouldn’t have had access to modern medicine or anything.
Paul Howard 5 years ago
The Vedas also say people lived about ten times longer in moderately ancient times compared to the modern lifespan.
Meyer Weinstock 5 years ago
Time is inexact until the modern era...take it as meaning 'just really old, you know, like 35...'
Hume de Bruyn 5 years ago
People back then used a different calendar and not the Roman one we use today. They had shorter years compared to what we have today.
J. Zingler 5 years ago
Moonyears and sunyears https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_calendar
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BiColi Erasmus 5 years ago
The calendar we use today and the concept of 365 days to a year is a modern idea and not the one they used back then. It would make more sense that in the Old testament they used one moon phase to a year. With that calculation, Methuselah, would have been between 75 and 80 years when he died, which is pretty damn old considering the times he lived in was riddled with illness, famine and none of the modern medicine we have access to today. Today, still, the average life expectancy of a human is between 65 and 75.
#47
Humans just invented religion to have a little more sense in life and how everything is the way it is. For humans everything must have a meaning, since all the things we invented make a sense and have a function, even we people ourselves need to have a function, but that's maybe not how the world is built, we are not here for any reason, it's only a happenstance that we exist, that life on our world exists. That's why I believe more in aliens than I believe in any kind of god. Sorry for the bad english by the way.
John Louis 5 years ago
Ridiculous. If I were to invent a religion that I want to use as a crutch I would not invent Christianity which instructs me to love my enemies, forgive others who hurt me, live humbly, and abstain from the pleasures of the flesh. I would invent some sort of religion that makes God an inanimate force that I can tap into for my own benefit. Is that what Wiccans believe?
Malakai 5 years ago
Kinda sorta. Wicca is about that, but nothing is without cost or consequence, and we pay respect to that fact. We were given life, and one day we will die and give back to the earth; this nature-centric circle is the main focus of our beliefs. I can invoke a god/goddess for a bountiful harvest, but I still have to do the work to make it happen and hope my deity tips a little luck in my favor, as an example. And we never ask for anything without giving something in exchange (offerings, namely).
Load More Replies... Hume de Bruyn 5 years ago
The meaning of life. Even taking religion out of the equation then we still can't explain how or why we are here at all, and that goes for if there are aliens out there too, we still won't be able to explain why or how we aare here.
#48
If Jesus' mother was told by an angel that she was going to bear the messiah in the book of Luke, why did she and the rest of the family go chasing after Jesus telling everyone he was out of his head in the opening pages of Mark?
#49
If God is the all knowing intelligent being that created everything, what was his reasoning around making foxes mating noises, if Humans are his children and he loves us why make us suffer every night listening to screaming of little horny foxes.
Bender Bending Rodríguez 5 years ago
Probably to punish you and specifically you for the lack of your faith.
#50
Adam and Eve had 3 sons...
troufaki13 5 years ago
They had other children after them according to the Bible (I am not a big fan of this "story")
#51
Although interestingly Moses is actually a fairly common Egyptian name but the guys who wrote the Bible didn't seem to know that. They made a different story about the name's origin (She named him Moses (Moshe), saying, 'I drew him out (meshitihu) of the water'.) It's very weak, of course, but it's a hint that there might be some truth to the Moses was in Egypt story.
Dave P 5 years ago
Actually 1) the name Moses was not, there was a common name in the ROYAL FAMILY which Egyptian version of that (moses or Moshe is the hebracized version of that name), and it would make sense as that was the name Pharaoh's daughter gave him, that she would give her adopted son a proper Royal name. Further the origin of the name fits as the original royal name it comes from specifically refers to the Bounty and Blessing of the Nile, the Nile which Pharaoh was the living god of in Egypt. This is more you ignorance than the bible's
El muerto 5 years ago
There is no evidence for an exodus from egypt, neither slaves building piramids...or mention of jews captives in egypt
Dave P 5 years ago
1) the LLR describes a mass slave exodus, who looted before leaving. 2) The bible merely says they built cities, never says Pyramids, that is later writers as in a few hundred years ago. 3) Ancient Egyptian records well graphically describe Semitic slaves from the Levant, from over 30 tribes and clans that were used in these mass construction projects. It is not unreasonable to assume that one or more of them are those we know as Jews today. 4) There is much more evidence than you realize.
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Fun fact the bible has a few verses in it describing monstrosities that could be dinosaurs. Even dragons.
What do you think ?
Foxxy (The Original) 5 years ago (edited)
If god is so loving and loves all his children even sinners then why did he recommend stoning in the early testaments, why are children and innocent people dying of diseases and allow human suffering, why would god give boys foreskin but then decide that they should be circumcised as a “contract” between them and god, why did god create f*****g mosquitos, fleas, ticks and wasps (besides possible population control), how is it even possible for noah to have taken 2 of every animal. It is a logistically impossible and extremely inconceivable. Why would god punish everyone else for what 2 people did thousands of years ago. That is like punishing a whole classroom for the rest of the school year for the behaviour of one student. If god created satan and is all mighty then why hasn’t he destroyed satan. If humans were created to be perfect but have free will, how can we make bad decisions? that is not perfect, a perfect person wouldn’t make bad choices. I have soooooooo many more that I can ask but I would literally be here forever.
Parmeisan 5 years ago
Yeah, I just saw a comment hidden with 34 upvotes... :P
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Hanni 5 years ago
Standard answer to discrepancies in the Bible: "you don't have to take that literally, it's more like metaphor". :-( Then why is it so specific all the time?
Hume de Bruyn 5 years ago
The biggest problem is a term called "lost in translation". For example, an easy experiment to do is to take a King James translation (which is the most accurate English translation or should be), and any other more modern English translation and compare the texts. You will find one says one thing and the other says something else when taken into context.
Load More Replies... Mainecoonsandhuskies 5 years ago (edited)
I feel like religion has also influenced a lot of gender discrimination
Terd Fergison 5 years ago
You’re right. Even the less harmful religions tend to discriminate against women.
Load More Replies... YupItsMe1234 5 years ago
If God is perfect, and he has a plan for all, then what is the point of praying? You shouldn't be able to change a perfect things mind?
Sleepy Panda 5 years ago
That's question is what started my journey to non belief.
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Parmeisan 5 years ago
I never understood Jehovah's Witnesses. Like, it must be awfully depressing. They believe that 144,000 people can get into Heaven. So either it's already full, or you're competing for a spot with every JW who ever lived and ever WILL live.
Foxxy (The Original) 5 years ago (edited)
They have the belief that after armageddon and judgement day comes the righteous will live life peacefully, eternally on earth as we were originally created to be. The ones that are chosen to go to heaven are there to help Jesus rule over the earth as Jesus would be the king but under advisement of God. Kind of like a government system. Apparently the 144,000 people have already been chosen so there is no competition to get to heaven. The idea that we will live happily on earth for all eternity with all their loved ones, no suffering etc brings them the peace they need.
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Kenny Kulbiski 5 years ago
There's one constant about all religions. Even going back to when people were worshipping rocks, trees, the sun, whatever. There's always some person the tree, rock, sun, etc talks to personally and people are supposed to obey him. And provide for him. And give him things that he didn't earn. Can't understand God needing a middle- man.
Terd Fergison 5 years ago (edited)
Christians claim god is eternal (he always existed). They claim god is a perfect being. Claim he is all-knowing (knows everything). Claim he has a divine plan (knows the past, present and future). They claim he is inerrant and infallible (can never be wrong). If god is eternal that means that he existed for an infinite amount of time in the past. If he is a perfect being then he would have been perfectly content and perfectly full of self love for an infinite amount of time. From there, why create anything?! From there he creates angels. At least one angel betrays him. How could he not see that coming from an infinity time away? He is all-knowing and had a divine plan. Then he creates Adam and Eve and they betray him. He gets mad at them. How could he not see that coming? He lets mankind become evil so he decides to kill everything on earth except for Noah's crew with a torturous flood. He says that all evil will be erased with this flood, but there's still evil. A buffoonish god with a comedy of errors.
Gonzalo Terán 5 years ago
God allegelly killed over 2.8 million people, without countinting the estimated from Noah´s flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, etc. Satan apparently killed 10 people. God loves us all. Satan bad. Whaaat? Thank God I´m an atheist.
Elizabet Sorbalo 5 years ago
You say that you are an atheist and yet you say ,,thank god”?
Load More Replies... Mainecoonsandhuskies 5 years ago
All of this supports my decision to be an atheist but still don't how to tell my very religious family
Hume de Bruyn 5 years ago
Be an Atheist. It's your choice, you don't have to tell your family if it's not that big an issue. If it's trivial things like praying before eating, just go with it, see it as a family tradition. If it's more, like being forced to go to church, things like that, then yes, maybe it becomes a problem then.
Load More Replies... Foxxy (The Original) 5 years ago (edited)
If god is so loving and loves all his children even sinners then why did he recommend stoning in the early testaments, why are children and innocent people dying of diseases and allow human suffering, why would god give boys foreskin but then decide that they should be circumcised as a “contract” between them and god, why did god create f*****g mosquitos, fleas, ticks and wasps (besides possible population control), how is it even possible for noah to have taken 2 of every animal. It is a logistically impossible and extremely inconceivable. Why would god punish everyone else for what 2 people did thousands of years ago. That is like punishing a whole classroom for the rest of the school year for the behaviour of one student. If god created satan and is all mighty then why hasn’t he destroyed satan. If humans were created to be perfect but have free will, how can we make bad decisions? that is not perfect, a perfect person wouldn’t make bad choices. I have soooooooo many more that I can ask but I would literally be here forever.
Parmeisan 5 years ago
Yeah, I just saw a comment hidden with 34 upvotes... :P
Load More Replies... Hanni 5 years ago
Standard answer to discrepancies in the Bible: "you don't have to take that literally, it's more like metaphor". :-( Then why is it so specific all the time?
Hume de Bruyn 5 years ago
The biggest problem is a term called "lost in translation". For example, an easy experiment to do is to take a King James translation (which is the most accurate English translation or should be), and any other more modern English translation and compare the texts. You will find one says one thing and the other says something else when taken into context.
Load More Replies... Mainecoonsandhuskies 5 years ago (edited)
I feel like religion has also influenced a lot of gender discrimination
Terd Fergison 5 years ago
You’re right. Even the less harmful religions tend to discriminate against women.
Load More Replies... YupItsMe1234 5 years ago
If God is perfect, and he has a plan for all, then what is the point of praying? You shouldn't be able to change a perfect things mind?
Sleepy Panda 5 years ago
That's question is what started my journey to non belief.
Load More Replies... Parmeisan 5 years ago
I never understood Jehovah's Witnesses. Like, it must be awfully depressing. They believe that 144,000 people can get into Heaven. So either it's already full, or you're competing for a spot with every JW who ever lived and ever WILL live.
Foxxy (The Original) 5 years ago (edited)
They have the belief that after armageddon and judgement day comes the righteous will live life peacefully, eternally on earth as we were originally created to be. The ones that are chosen to go to heaven are there to help Jesus rule over the earth as Jesus would be the king but under advisement of God. Kind of like a government system. Apparently the 144,000 people have already been chosen so there is no competition to get to heaven. The idea that we will live happily on earth for all eternity with all their loved ones, no suffering etc brings them the peace they need.
Load More Replies... Kenny Kulbiski 5 years ago
There's one constant about all religions. Even going back to when people were worshipping rocks, trees, the sun, whatever. There's always some person the tree, rock, sun, etc talks to personally and people are supposed to obey him. And provide for him. And give him things that he didn't earn. Can't understand God needing a middle- man.
Terd Fergison 5 years ago (edited)
Christians claim god is eternal (he always existed). They claim god is a perfect being. Claim he is all-knowing (knows everything). Claim he has a divine plan (knows the past, present and future). They claim he is inerrant and infallible (can never be wrong). If god is eternal that means that he existed for an infinite amount of time in the past. If he is a perfect being then he would have been perfectly content and perfectly full of self love for an infinite amount of time. From there, why create anything?! From there he creates angels. At least one angel betrays him. How could he not see that coming from an infinity time away? He is all-knowing and had a divine plan. Then he creates Adam and Eve and they betray him. He gets mad at them. How could he not see that coming? He lets mankind become evil so he decides to kill everything on earth except for Noah's crew with a torturous flood. He says that all evil will be erased with this flood, but there's still evil. A buffoonish god with a comedy of errors.
Gonzalo Terán 5 years ago
God allegelly killed over 2.8 million people, without countinting the estimated from Noah´s flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, etc. Satan apparently killed 10 people. God loves us all. Satan bad. Whaaat? Thank God I´m an atheist.
Elizabet Sorbalo 5 years ago
You say that you are an atheist and yet you say ,,thank god”?
Load More Replies... Mainecoonsandhuskies 5 years ago
All of this supports my decision to be an atheist but still don't how to tell my very religious family
Hume de Bruyn 5 years ago
Be an Atheist. It's your choice, you don't have to tell your family if it's not that big an issue. If it's trivial things like praying before eating, just go with it, see it as a family tradition. If it's more, like being forced to go to church, things like that, then yes, maybe it becomes a problem then.
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