Someone Tweets About Super Hero Fans Being Undateable, So This Woman Reveals The Toxicity Surrounding Men
We are all familiar with the term ‘toxic masculinity’ by now. Many guys struggle to express themselves due to the limitations that society has placed on them as men; we are supposed to be passionate about a select few, suitably ‘masculine’ pursuits, sports and cars for example. Anything else and we are swiftly labeled as geeks and nerds, and, according to conservative ‘freedom fighter’ Ashley St. Clair, undateable.
It began after Star Wars fan Eric Butts, a Kentucky-based vlogger and filmmaker, shared his emotional reaction to the first trailer for Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker. His passion for the movies is there for all to see, gleefully soaking up every moment and being moved to tears by the anticipation of things to come.
Predictably, the video swiftly garnered the derision of countless trolls, who wasted no time in putting Eric down for his excitement. Included was the aforementioned St.Clair, who wrote: “Star Wars and superhero movie obsession culture has revealed a whole new population of undateable men. Might be worse than men who wear cargo shorts.”
Well damn. Firstly, this woman appears to be similar to the Ann Coulters and Tomi Lahrens of this world, a performance artist that makes money from provocation and hyperbolic opinions designed to get a certain demographic frothing at the mouth. So best to simply ignore her and forget that she exists after reading this post. And secondly, what’s wrong with cargo shorts, anyway? For a ‘freedom fighter,’ this woman sure seems to have a narrow definition of freedom!
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Emily Chaney, a teacher-in-training from Michigan, came across St. Clair’s tweet on her feed. The dismissive, arrogant tone of the message hinted at something deeper and far more sinister for her, so she felt like she had to come to the defense of the millions of guys who choose to be passionate about anything they feel like.
“While scrolling through the hellscape that is Twitter, I stumbled upon this tweet,” she wrote. “Now normally I’d just scoff and move on, but this really rubbed me the wrong way.”
“While the tweet itself is pretty self-explanatory, the video is obviously not. To be honest this little clip isn’t really much. It’s just a dude watching the new Star Wars trailer, and being very excited. Maybe there is more to this video out there somewhere, but what I have seen wasn’t much.”
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“I was going to just leave it at that. I tried my hardest not to be upset, but the more I thought about it the angrier I got. Because there is nothing wrong with the way he reacted! Nothing! Yes maybe it would seem like a little much to someone that isn’t a die-hard fan of the franchise, but it is obvious this is something he cares about. So began my rant.”
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“I wanted to share this here as well because I believe this is important. My step-father killed himself and didn’t even leave a note. No one saw it coming. He seemed happy. He had a loving marriage, children, a job he mostly enjoyed. We had our hard times, but we always pulled through, and he did it anyways. No one will ever know why, and that’s how it usually is. Men are expected to suffer in silence until it’s too late. I know that one rant on Twitter won’t change anything, but I hope the people that follow me, ESPECIALLY the men that follow me, will read this and find some sort of comfort. Which is why I wanted to share it here as well. I hope you see this and know that at least one person is on your side.
P.s. If you ever need a hype man, I got you ?”
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Creators and actors, including Mark Hamill himself, also stood up to defend Eric
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While the attention-seeker doubled down on her position
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“I’m sure this is just something she feeds off of,” Emily said, speaking to Bored Panda. “Close minded people generally have no interest in any opinions that aren’t their own.”
The self-described geek has been pleasantly surprised by the positive reaction to her response, which was prompted partly through personal experience. “I was raised playing video games and watching anime with my uncle. That whole culture has shaped who I am as a person, especially due to the fact that “gamer girls” are generally socially ostracized, or over-sexualized,” she told us. “I struggled a lot as a kid with loving the things that I love, though with age I definitely feel more comfortable in my own skin.”
Though personally when I hear the word “geek” I tend to couple it with being knowledgeable about technology, which I am not, in my honest opinion being a “geek” or a “nerd” is just another term for being passionate.”
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“I think passion, in general, is an amazing thing! For instance, my dad is passionate about fish. Every day he comes home from work and just sits and watches them swim around, and while that might sound incredibly dull, it is something that brings him peace.”
“In my personal opinion, I think it comes down to whether their interests are defined as “masculine” or not, but recently that has been double-sided. Men who show emotion, or “too much” interest are also shamed. Like men that cry on the sidelines of a lost sports game. Those men are negatively received as well, even though football is something that is socially acceptable.”
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“Women who share my sentiment may seem few and far between, but we aren’t. I am not special or unique, and neither is my opinion on the subject. My voice just happened to be the loudest.”
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“You probably won’t find someone that will share your every interest, but I promise you can find someone that will care enough to listen and support you. Don’t be ashamed to love the things you love, because one day someone is going to love you for that very same reason.”
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I never understood the logic of this "geeks are undatable" mentality. Geeks are passionate about and dedicated to the things they love. So, technically, if it's you the thing they love, you can immagine how amazing that can be.
Can't we all just date the people we wanna date and who at the same time wanna date us completely without all of this bashing BS...? Is it really that hard to do?
I'm not really into star wars or other fantasy/sci-fi shows/movies. But, what I do love is sports, specifically baseball. I own my teams gear, my office is decorated with baseball memorabilia and newspapers(2016 Cubs WS win, 3 Stanley cup papers, 6 chicago bulls newspapers) I can talk and watch sports for hours, I know the history, I know all the players. We get together and watch sports together. I personally dont do fantasy,football but millions of guys do. So, why is that geekyness perfectly acceptable? Even seen as manly. If a grown man says that Joe DiMaggio is his hero, no one bats an eye. But for a grown man to say George Lucas is his hero would be seen as weird, and fan boyish. Gown men paint themselves/dress up to go to football games, wait hours in line to get tickets, go to fan conventions for autographs, collect memorabilia etc etc. Just replace star wars with any of those actions. I fail to see how that is any different
I feel this. Not a stars wars or superhero movie fan either but I'm a really big fan of the band Queen. I know everything about them and will tell people countless stories and play them all my favorite songs because I'm passionate about them. It's the same thing.
Load More Replies...Why does it even matter which men Ashley St.Clair consideres dateable? If she likes to skim her dating pool with metrics that reflect closed-mindendness and a tendency for stupidity, this is her choice. I prefer to simply ignore such people.
While ignoring such people is helpful for your peace of mind, the OP made a great point with her twitter thread. It's important to call out views which place an undue burden on a segment of society that would benefit from acceptance.
Load More Replies...There is a fine line between an interest in something and an obsession. If a grown man attempted to steer every conversation round to Star Wars, Game of Thrones or his favorite video-game, within 2 minutes. I would give up. Sorry. Equally, if a woman could talk of nothing but KUWK, the latest make-up/diet gimmics or how many likes she gets on her hourly, filtered selfies would be pretty boring company for most guys.
That's why I wound up leaving my husband. His passion for guns turned into an obsession, even to the detriment of the health and well being of his family. At least she is up front about what she considers a "real" man. Fair warning, much like rattles on a snake
Load More Replies...I married one of these guys. Best husband in the world. You idiots who sideline those with a slightly unconventional are missing out on some great people. On second thoughts, stay bigoted - these passionate people deserve better than you.
She's bigoted because she doesn't like these men? I'm sure you have lots of types of guys you wouldn't date because it's not your thing, you just aren't vocal about it.
Load More Replies...my husband and I fell in love when we were 17 years old..we grew up together and we are both fans of star trek, star wars..MCU and everything about science fiction .. we are not fanatics but our funniest game is to comment with quotes from movies, waiting for the other to guess which movie it is from .. the more difficult is the quote the more fun! when I guess something impossible or I make a particularly funny reference he replies "you're the right one .." and after 22 years I'm more and more in love..if he weren't so nerd life would be really boring !!
Aww. That's so cute! My husband and I randomly quote TV shows that we both like. We were separated for a while (he went off his meds and wasn't thinking straight). When we reunited, he told me the thing he missed most while we were apart was laying in bed with me and snuggling, while watching Futurama. He cried when he told me that, and I didn't think any less of him. I cried too.
Load More Replies...I know a man who loves star wars, warhammer, computer games AND wears cargo shorts and who is very dateable! He's my Fiancé and we've been together for over 8 years. Well be married this year and I wouldn't change him for the galaxy!
I love when my husband wears cargo shorts and he loves my nerdy, harry potter loving, sims playing butt.
My husband wears cargo pants all the time. I love it! I'm always handing him things and going, "Here. Put this in your pocket."
Load More Replies...I have never understood the hate against cargo pants or cargo shorts. I am a female and I started using cargo pants approximately 10 years ago because I found a shop that sold them with quite cheap price and those had very good quality - those feel confortable and are very durable. Much better pants than jeans or other types of pants that I had used before. Also the extra pockets are are very useful sometimes. And I am also an old video game/comic nerd so I don't have anything against anyone who likes the same or similar things than me. :)
Me n'either. Not only are they practical, but I also just really like the look of them. Both on men and women. Maybe it's because they were really fashionable in my country when I was a teen, but I've just always liked them, they look nonchalant and rugged and outdoorsy, and I like that.
Load More Replies...Cargo =pockets =no male stuff to carry in your purse!
Load More Replies...Meh, just another nerd hater. If you’re a geek (like me and millions of others), this bully is nothing new. You either learn to ignore this s**t, or *let yourself* be bullied and feed the depression/suicidal thoughts. Could easily go either way depending on where you are in life.
I am glad people encouraged him, though. We all know what it's like to be super excited about something and then have someone c**p all over it. I hope you have someone who shares your interests and encourages you too, Brobro.
Load More Replies...yeah right. why people think that people who love starwars, startrek and any super hero stuff are looser? personnaly i think people who spend night in bars drinking are looser too. it's just not my interrest
I agree. I have to point out though, "looser" means "less tight. more loose". "Loser" means "idiot human".
Load More Replies...She does know that most of your IT techs and Computer geeks that earn 6 figure salaries are most likely superhero and Sci-Fi obsessed. They also have excellent social media skills and may have already passed her photo around as "avoid at all cost." I've had people that berate and belittle comic books and sci-fi films. Those are the people unable to see the underlying message of triumph through teamwork and that there is always hope and victory no matter what stands in your way. She must be a really really boring person.
Before you know a man's entertainment preference..... let's talk about your shoe and purse obsession.
No one is going to date her. Can't stand shallow women who have nothing in their lives that makes them an actual person
Reading her twitter a bit, she may not be an actual person. Might be a Russian bot, or a Republican troll account.
Load More Replies...It is just her opinion really that nerds who are in to such things are not date able. I would consider my sons and daughters nerds if these types of things classify you as such. But me personally love someone who is passionate about the things they enjoy. I love super hero movies, and have watched Thor Ragnarok at least 20 times. Its really to each its own and what your preferences are but I still think you have to be really closed minded to not consider someone not a good dating prospect because of their taste in movies.
Seems fitting that I'm reading this on my way to an anime convention while cosplaying the opposite gender. (If anyone is at Anime Boston, look for a Yuri Pliesetsky cosplay with a Honey Senpai and Star Butterfly)
let's everyone insult her, then insult each other, will be fun. actually it already is fun, people forgot how to express their thoughts like humans, not like excited apes. p.s. about subject: l think her tweet is shallow and superficial, l like men in cargo shorts, there is big difference between interest and obsession.
I truly hope this gets lost in the hundreds of comments, but I gotta do my two cents. I'm Totally with most of you, she's a judgemental person who might have kept that to herself, cause who GAF who she wants to date or that anyone else may agree with her. I got a serious problem with calling a penchant for action heroes "Passionate" behavior. Monet was passionate about painting, Chopin was passionate about piano, this dude likes Star Wars...a lot. There isn't anything wrong with that, get down with your-awesome-self, friends; but if his excitement about a movie franchise is somehow compelling him to actions beyond his control, yeah, I'd be a little concerned. I have a guy friend that had to divorce his baby mama cause she spent all their money on S.W. action figures. There's a line between fan and fanatic, let's keep it safe and sane folks.
You already were downvoted. You got downvoted because you told people to look at both sides of the story. Around these parts that's heresy.
Load More Replies...What makes cargo shorts/pants undatable? Your man is now prepared to help carry stuff
The truly undatable ones are the ones making YouTube videos about how “horrible” the new Star Wars movies are because they’re finally focusing on women characters, for a f*****g change. The misogyny and arrogance aimed at these films over the presence and prominence of women in them is disgusting. Just like the people who hated on Doctor Who for daring to suggest the Doctor could change gender when regenerating.
When I first saw this video I watched to see if the guy was putting it on. He wasn’t. If I could have met a man with that type of enthusiasm for something I would have believed he would have enthusiasm for a relationship.
I have complained about this ALL. THE. TIME. Anyone who shows that they're extreme passionate about something is immediately judged as "weird" or "a nerd" and then the only people who don't do that are the people who are ALSO passionate about the same thing. Sure, I can understand the times it was a "dude, stop playing whatever that is during class", but so often, it's a "why would you like something that isn't an amazing thing to every human alive" and I hate that SO MUCH.
We're in a non-reverse-compatibility, minority rules era. The perceived low end of the totem pole gets to win all arguments. Try it: "How about instead we talk about the toxic culture of dejected, unassuming nerds?"
I totally get this guy was maybe overly TOO excited for the new SW movie? Don't get me wrong, I love SW and superhero movies but not enough to cry about them. Maybe pee a little, but cry? Nah. Lol. Also if you've ever been to a comic book convention there are a lot of hot geeks and nerds. Guys you would never think that they were into that stuff. These are guys who look like All American, fitness cover models or construction guys! So she is basing over this one guy that ALL geeks look and act like him about something he's so passionate about. She's probably single cuz she's a b***h and nobody wants to date.
My girlfriend is going to be absolutely devastated to know that I am "undateable" and that she should break up with me after three years together because I truly enjoy Star Wars and the Marvel Comic Universe movies. The fact that she loves these movies too is irrelevant. Ashley St. Clair (whoever the hell she is) has spoken, and who are we to argue with her?
A stupid and arrogant tweet. But sending her death threats because of it is just insane.
Nothing wrong with being excited about a film you really want to see but to cry about it like a little b***h. Big no no
Can we stop glorifying people simply for the act of putting their a$$hole opinion out there??
While one is allowed to dislike a series, the main issue is crapping on others who like it. I’m not a big fan of Star Wars myself, but others enjoy it, so it’s all good.
Load More Replies...Ya my fiance was the same way when we first got together and sometimes still he loves guitars and video games halo is his favorite because of the memories of playing it with his siblings everyone has some kind of interests and that should be respected I'm a chick and I've had issues myself with shaming me about my interests just because when I get excited about something and hyper I talk about it a lot this happens with my own family there has been times where my mom has yelled at me for talking about what hair color I was going to do next and she didnt care so everyone's interests should be respected no one should be ashamed about what they love and care about even if you dont care you should be willing to listen and maybe even try to understand other people interests because it hurts when you're told that someone doesnt care or you get flat out ignored
While I am not turned on by a guy crying over a Star Wars trailer, I am not turned off either. I would not deam him undatable. He mentioned his s.o. and said he wished she was there, but he was ok with her being away at the spa. When I saw this, the first thing I thought was, "How is this any different than the obsessed girls who did reaction shots of themselves crying over Twilight?" I'm not into "reaction videos", but if that's your cup of tea then go for it.
She's under the deluded impression that men who like star wars would be remotely interested in a vile, vacuous excuse for a woman as her. SHE is undateable. I hope she never raises any sons.
hah, she might look not so bad on her profile pic, but once she opens her mouth (or in this case, typed out her stupidity), she's the freaking undateable one. Who can be with such a judgemental ignorant b***h? My bf is a standard victim of insane toxic masculinity standard, he is even afraid of wearing pink or riding my pink scooter!!! That's insane to me! Dude is so afraid of doing things that might make him look less of man in other people's opinions, that he'd rather bury the interest/liking and just follow the standard. I'm pissed all the time about it but I know it's gonna take a long time to slowly change. If only he was never taught that way by family, society!!!
Honestly, this is offensive and atrocious. NOBODY should be treated this was, white or black, male or female, young or old, it's unnaceptable!! Let EVERYBODY have interests!! Let the idiots who say this kind of stuff date other idiots, and the people who very much like (even to the point of obsession, don't judge) things mingle with their own!! This doesn't have to be as hard as it is. It's ridiculous. JUST LET PEOPLE BE THEMSELVES. Instead of all the other stupid and nonimportant things like memes we drill into our own heads every day (I'm guilty of memeing too, I need work, nobody's perfect), why don't we try drilling in the fact that EVERYONE IS EQUAL. EVERYONE IS IMPORTANT. RESPECT THAT. THEN we have time for memes. Have a blessed day.
Also WOW BOREDPANDA Coming at me at the end of the article with that parasitic snail video lol thanks I guess but wholly unexpected?
The entitlement of some people, of either gender, that everyone in the world is irresistibly attracted to you (I personally deal with a lot of this as a bisexual vs. guys I'm legit not interested in) is honestly SO MUCH MORE undateable than a person whose so adorkably passionate about the things they love. But she's probably just salty that no one will look at her the way this nerdbro looks at the star wars trailer.
I'm sure St. Clair would rather date guys who wear ties every day. I can't think of much that turns me off more. It just screams "I AM A CONFORMIST."
Also: I married a cargo short man and I love him to the moon and back! <3 No-one shall decide who is "dateable"! I truly and deeply believe that each and every human being has at least one other person to belong to! Nobody shall suffer from loneliness! (If someone decides to be alone, that person probalbly does not suffer from the loneliness. ;) )
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And what is this thing about cargo shorts?? I completely missed the memo that said guys look bad in cargo shorts LOL!!!
Lets be honest name one sexy nerd.. Now name a sexy jock,rock star,actor, singer etc. Women will always flock to the alpha male,the guy with money,fame,power or the really talented guy.. They rarely hang out at comic book stores... Sorry..if the truth hurts..but yeah most women are ladder climbing bitches. I mean look when pete davidson was dating arianna grande..all people could say was wtf...why is she with that loser.
Adam Brody, Seth Meyers, Bill Hader, Andy Samberg, Andy Cohen, Joseph Gorden-Levitt, Barack Obama, Anderson Cooper, Justin Trudeau, Gavin Neesom, Eric Swalwell, Steve Kornacki, Stephen Colbert, Adam Scott, Chris Kluwe, Jack Dorsey, Dwayne Johnson ... should I go on?
Load More Replies...First off i dont need a woman to defend my interest or my passion. It has nothing to do with how masculine i am. Second she bashes the other woman for saying these guys are undateable..yet she goes on to confirm this by using the stereotyped word.and imagery.....nerd... She further tells how she thinks they are sexy...but then drops the whole my boyfriend referrence on us. Like omg geeks are cool but i already have a bf. So in essence she comes full circle and doesnt date one herself..
"I have never received more death threats...." like she's collecting them or something. That in itself says a lot about this individual.
when i brought my girlfriend over for the first time, she looked around in awe at my Hot Toys collection which is in really nice (i think) display cases... then showed her my office with action figures, my stack of comic boxes, movie props, bookshelves of hardcover graphic novels... she was kind of in awe...i saw the look on her face... and said "yeah, im a dork" we still dated after that....
Ashley, who died and made you judge of mankind ? You're getting way too much attention by being a very mean, very wrong girl. Try doing something good for a positive change. Oh, and people who live in glass houses ...
I can absolutely guarantee, that these ‘undateable’ men, would rather be thrown into the Great Pit of Carkoon and into the gaping jaws of The Sarlacc, than date a beyond pathetic, immature buffoon of a bully, like her.
I described my husband as a geek once to some Radio Shack guys. They looked at me oddly and said why would I insult my husband like that? I got a little worked up and responded I'm GLAD he's a geek! My husband supports a family by being a geek! I'm PROUD to be a geek's wife! I think our whole family are geeks! then walked off in a huff.
Emily! You are my soul sister, girl!! Stay strong and keep being you! 💪♥️🥰
all boyfriends I had was all nerds. I am too. I would pick a guy I can talk star wars with over one who is masculine
I once had a date with a man, and I asked him what his passion was. He passed almost all this time talking about DnD and pathfinder... it's been 5 years ago and we're getting married in 6 months.
My dad is actually the reason why I am so passionate about being a nerd/geek. I was a daddy's girl when I was younger so I got into quite a lot of things he was into so I grew up with a father( a man) geeking out over things people thought were stupid. In fact both of us are super pumped for the new Star Wars movie. He is the reason why I like people who wear their emotions on their sleeve, I've seen him cry among other things.
I guess there are only two type of women in this world. Cargo or bermuda?!?! Dont ask me why, somehow as I See a guy wearing a Bermudas I imagine he was in a rush that morning and put on his girls Capri pants, thats why they got a bit short and often stretched to its limits.. The only option is with knee socks 100years ago.
I don't get why people are like this. She should respect other people's interests and other people's opinion of "attractive". Tbh, I sorta have a crush on a geek who watches Starwars, play magic the gathering (card game), etc..
While I agree with most of what is being said here that men should be free to express themselves in any way they want (as long as they aren’t hurting anyone of course). I want to add that the idea of a so called “toxic culture of entitled self absorbed women” does not actually exist. Remember this is a very misogynistic world where women are seen as “less than” men. I mean don’t get me wrong there are definitely self absorbed women in the world, however there is NO culture of it. The only real culture we have is toxic masculinity and why it’s harmful to both women and men.
I hate to burst her bubble, but everyone is a nerd about something. Whether it's a sports nerd, makeup nerd, science nerd, star wars nerd, or fashion nerd, EVERYONE is a nerd about something. It just means you are passionate about a subject.
It is true that "there is someone out there for everyone" and it is our interests that make us interesting to others. I love seeing couples together that are bonded over their interests. Hooray for them finding each other and enjoying what they are into with someone who loves it to. How lucky they are!
I saw that tweet and commented on it too! I reacted the exact same way he did, I was in floods of tears ten seconds in the trailer. He is clearly having the time of his life and that woman ought to be ashamed of herself!!! I am not married yet but I will definitely want a husband that is into Star Wars !!! He is an awesome dude!
To the woman who thinks this kind of nerd is undateable---- He probably thinks you are unf^^kable because you't care about anything apart from denigrating anything you don't understand. P.S. That's also me, I love a million things, but now I don't care if you live or die. Enjoy the rest of your sad life,
I couldn't care less what ms StClair thinks. I'm too busy building Lego. Star Wars and Harry Potter Lego. My wife isn't a fellow geek, but supports my hobbies nonetheless, because she loves my giggling when I open a new box... 😂
Well, apparently I'm insane loser, cause I like both Marvel and Star Wars. Or did she make exception for women?
I'm thinking she can't find a date, so she's blaming the outside world instead of looking at herself. Personally, I'm not into Star Wars, liked the movies, but my passion did not go beyond that. but that would not stop me from dating a great guy. I may learn new things from him absorb his passion and become a huge fan. Never close your mind!
Some people just want to see the world burn if it could just give them 15 seconds of fame in the Twitterverse. How sad for her to be close minded about men with a particular passion? She could miss out on making a lasting relationship with someone special.
Well Ashley, enjoy your loveless marriage to Spencer, who peaked as variety lacrosse captain, and now works as VP of something-something at Mediocre Corp to support you and the two kids who can't relate to him, who binge drinks on the weekends and accidentally hits you because bought 2% and he uses 1% but that's ok because you should have known better, who cheats on you with his secretary ... and your best girlfriend but you stay with him for the kids and your Christian values. Yeah, enjoy that "real man" Ashley.
Would that mean, that women intersted in faishion also is undateable?
I'm all about Superhero movies. I'd be thrilled to find someone in my age range to cosplay with at ComiCon.
Not personally interested in Star Wars but here's how I see things: I loved to watch Eric Buts' passion and enthusiasm! I don't see a reason why he wouldn't be able to get a girl friend. He will will never need to take a drug to get high, all he has to do is watch a film trailor!! I wish there were more ppl like that in the world. On the other hand, St Claire simply posted her opinion, since he's not her type. Everyone is entitled to have a 'type's if they want to.
she is way overboard . frankly i want a real man with warts and all. i don't want a man that has neutered . if someone puts a hand on shoulder i'll be screaming assault. this woman needs help.if men do what these called women say drop her fast because she and other women like needs to shunned at all cost if we are to have a future.men listen up be yourself.
Back in the days of arranged marriages, this was often the reason men had mistresses. They were not allowed to be themselves with their wife. This is not a woman a man will ever be able to be secure and comfortable with. Her image of him would always have to be "on"
Sounds to me more as if she is promoting Brainless Feminism...like most other feminist activists do on a daily basis...
I never understood the logic of this "geeks are undatable" mentality. Geeks are passionate about and dedicated to the things they love. So, technically, if it's you the thing they love, you can immagine how amazing that can be.
Can't we all just date the people we wanna date and who at the same time wanna date us completely without all of this bashing BS...? Is it really that hard to do?
I'm not really into star wars or other fantasy/sci-fi shows/movies. But, what I do love is sports, specifically baseball. I own my teams gear, my office is decorated with baseball memorabilia and newspapers(2016 Cubs WS win, 3 Stanley cup papers, 6 chicago bulls newspapers) I can talk and watch sports for hours, I know the history, I know all the players. We get together and watch sports together. I personally dont do fantasy,football but millions of guys do. So, why is that geekyness perfectly acceptable? Even seen as manly. If a grown man says that Joe DiMaggio is his hero, no one bats an eye. But for a grown man to say George Lucas is his hero would be seen as weird, and fan boyish. Gown men paint themselves/dress up to go to football games, wait hours in line to get tickets, go to fan conventions for autographs, collect memorabilia etc etc. Just replace star wars with any of those actions. I fail to see how that is any different
I feel this. Not a stars wars or superhero movie fan either but I'm a really big fan of the band Queen. I know everything about them and will tell people countless stories and play them all my favorite songs because I'm passionate about them. It's the same thing.
Load More Replies...Why does it even matter which men Ashley St.Clair consideres dateable? If she likes to skim her dating pool with metrics that reflect closed-mindendness and a tendency for stupidity, this is her choice. I prefer to simply ignore such people.
While ignoring such people is helpful for your peace of mind, the OP made a great point with her twitter thread. It's important to call out views which place an undue burden on a segment of society that would benefit from acceptance.
Load More Replies...There is a fine line between an interest in something and an obsession. If a grown man attempted to steer every conversation round to Star Wars, Game of Thrones or his favorite video-game, within 2 minutes. I would give up. Sorry. Equally, if a woman could talk of nothing but KUWK, the latest make-up/diet gimmics or how many likes she gets on her hourly, filtered selfies would be pretty boring company for most guys.
That's why I wound up leaving my husband. His passion for guns turned into an obsession, even to the detriment of the health and well being of his family. At least she is up front about what she considers a "real" man. Fair warning, much like rattles on a snake
Load More Replies...I married one of these guys. Best husband in the world. You idiots who sideline those with a slightly unconventional are missing out on some great people. On second thoughts, stay bigoted - these passionate people deserve better than you.
She's bigoted because she doesn't like these men? I'm sure you have lots of types of guys you wouldn't date because it's not your thing, you just aren't vocal about it.
Load More Replies...my husband and I fell in love when we were 17 years old..we grew up together and we are both fans of star trek, star wars..MCU and everything about science fiction .. we are not fanatics but our funniest game is to comment with quotes from movies, waiting for the other to guess which movie it is from .. the more difficult is the quote the more fun! when I guess something impossible or I make a particularly funny reference he replies "you're the right one .." and after 22 years I'm more and more in love..if he weren't so nerd life would be really boring !!
Aww. That's so cute! My husband and I randomly quote TV shows that we both like. We were separated for a while (he went off his meds and wasn't thinking straight). When we reunited, he told me the thing he missed most while we were apart was laying in bed with me and snuggling, while watching Futurama. He cried when he told me that, and I didn't think any less of him. I cried too.
Load More Replies...I know a man who loves star wars, warhammer, computer games AND wears cargo shorts and who is very dateable! He's my Fiancé and we've been together for over 8 years. Well be married this year and I wouldn't change him for the galaxy!
I love when my husband wears cargo shorts and he loves my nerdy, harry potter loving, sims playing butt.
My husband wears cargo pants all the time. I love it! I'm always handing him things and going, "Here. Put this in your pocket."
Load More Replies...I have never understood the hate against cargo pants or cargo shorts. I am a female and I started using cargo pants approximately 10 years ago because I found a shop that sold them with quite cheap price and those had very good quality - those feel confortable and are very durable. Much better pants than jeans or other types of pants that I had used before. Also the extra pockets are are very useful sometimes. And I am also an old video game/comic nerd so I don't have anything against anyone who likes the same or similar things than me. :)
Me n'either. Not only are they practical, but I also just really like the look of them. Both on men and women. Maybe it's because they were really fashionable in my country when I was a teen, but I've just always liked them, they look nonchalant and rugged and outdoorsy, and I like that.
Load More Replies...Cargo =pockets =no male stuff to carry in your purse!
Load More Replies...Meh, just another nerd hater. If you’re a geek (like me and millions of others), this bully is nothing new. You either learn to ignore this s**t, or *let yourself* be bullied and feed the depression/suicidal thoughts. Could easily go either way depending on where you are in life.
I am glad people encouraged him, though. We all know what it's like to be super excited about something and then have someone c**p all over it. I hope you have someone who shares your interests and encourages you too, Brobro.
Load More Replies...yeah right. why people think that people who love starwars, startrek and any super hero stuff are looser? personnaly i think people who spend night in bars drinking are looser too. it's just not my interrest
I agree. I have to point out though, "looser" means "less tight. more loose". "Loser" means "idiot human".
Load More Replies...She does know that most of your IT techs and Computer geeks that earn 6 figure salaries are most likely superhero and Sci-Fi obsessed. They also have excellent social media skills and may have already passed her photo around as "avoid at all cost." I've had people that berate and belittle comic books and sci-fi films. Those are the people unable to see the underlying message of triumph through teamwork and that there is always hope and victory no matter what stands in your way. She must be a really really boring person.
Before you know a man's entertainment preference..... let's talk about your shoe and purse obsession.
No one is going to date her. Can't stand shallow women who have nothing in their lives that makes them an actual person
Reading her twitter a bit, she may not be an actual person. Might be a Russian bot, or a Republican troll account.
Load More Replies...It is just her opinion really that nerds who are in to such things are not date able. I would consider my sons and daughters nerds if these types of things classify you as such. But me personally love someone who is passionate about the things they enjoy. I love super hero movies, and have watched Thor Ragnarok at least 20 times. Its really to each its own and what your preferences are but I still think you have to be really closed minded to not consider someone not a good dating prospect because of their taste in movies.
Seems fitting that I'm reading this on my way to an anime convention while cosplaying the opposite gender. (If anyone is at Anime Boston, look for a Yuri Pliesetsky cosplay with a Honey Senpai and Star Butterfly)
let's everyone insult her, then insult each other, will be fun. actually it already is fun, people forgot how to express their thoughts like humans, not like excited apes. p.s. about subject: l think her tweet is shallow and superficial, l like men in cargo shorts, there is big difference between interest and obsession.
I truly hope this gets lost in the hundreds of comments, but I gotta do my two cents. I'm Totally with most of you, she's a judgemental person who might have kept that to herself, cause who GAF who she wants to date or that anyone else may agree with her. I got a serious problem with calling a penchant for action heroes "Passionate" behavior. Monet was passionate about painting, Chopin was passionate about piano, this dude likes Star Wars...a lot. There isn't anything wrong with that, get down with your-awesome-self, friends; but if his excitement about a movie franchise is somehow compelling him to actions beyond his control, yeah, I'd be a little concerned. I have a guy friend that had to divorce his baby mama cause she spent all their money on S.W. action figures. There's a line between fan and fanatic, let's keep it safe and sane folks.
You already were downvoted. You got downvoted because you told people to look at both sides of the story. Around these parts that's heresy.
Load More Replies...What makes cargo shorts/pants undatable? Your man is now prepared to help carry stuff
The truly undatable ones are the ones making YouTube videos about how “horrible” the new Star Wars movies are because they’re finally focusing on women characters, for a f*****g change. The misogyny and arrogance aimed at these films over the presence and prominence of women in them is disgusting. Just like the people who hated on Doctor Who for daring to suggest the Doctor could change gender when regenerating.
When I first saw this video I watched to see if the guy was putting it on. He wasn’t. If I could have met a man with that type of enthusiasm for something I would have believed he would have enthusiasm for a relationship.
I have complained about this ALL. THE. TIME. Anyone who shows that they're extreme passionate about something is immediately judged as "weird" or "a nerd" and then the only people who don't do that are the people who are ALSO passionate about the same thing. Sure, I can understand the times it was a "dude, stop playing whatever that is during class", but so often, it's a "why would you like something that isn't an amazing thing to every human alive" and I hate that SO MUCH.
We're in a non-reverse-compatibility, minority rules era. The perceived low end of the totem pole gets to win all arguments. Try it: "How about instead we talk about the toxic culture of dejected, unassuming nerds?"
I totally get this guy was maybe overly TOO excited for the new SW movie? Don't get me wrong, I love SW and superhero movies but not enough to cry about them. Maybe pee a little, but cry? Nah. Lol. Also if you've ever been to a comic book convention there are a lot of hot geeks and nerds. Guys you would never think that they were into that stuff. These are guys who look like All American, fitness cover models or construction guys! So she is basing over this one guy that ALL geeks look and act like him about something he's so passionate about. She's probably single cuz she's a b***h and nobody wants to date.
My girlfriend is going to be absolutely devastated to know that I am "undateable" and that she should break up with me after three years together because I truly enjoy Star Wars and the Marvel Comic Universe movies. The fact that she loves these movies too is irrelevant. Ashley St. Clair (whoever the hell she is) has spoken, and who are we to argue with her?
A stupid and arrogant tweet. But sending her death threats because of it is just insane.
Nothing wrong with being excited about a film you really want to see but to cry about it like a little b***h. Big no no
Can we stop glorifying people simply for the act of putting their a$$hole opinion out there??
While one is allowed to dislike a series, the main issue is crapping on others who like it. I’m not a big fan of Star Wars myself, but others enjoy it, so it’s all good.
Load More Replies...Ya my fiance was the same way when we first got together and sometimes still he loves guitars and video games halo is his favorite because of the memories of playing it with his siblings everyone has some kind of interests and that should be respected I'm a chick and I've had issues myself with shaming me about my interests just because when I get excited about something and hyper I talk about it a lot this happens with my own family there has been times where my mom has yelled at me for talking about what hair color I was going to do next and she didnt care so everyone's interests should be respected no one should be ashamed about what they love and care about even if you dont care you should be willing to listen and maybe even try to understand other people interests because it hurts when you're told that someone doesnt care or you get flat out ignored
While I am not turned on by a guy crying over a Star Wars trailer, I am not turned off either. I would not deam him undatable. He mentioned his s.o. and said he wished she was there, but he was ok with her being away at the spa. When I saw this, the first thing I thought was, "How is this any different than the obsessed girls who did reaction shots of themselves crying over Twilight?" I'm not into "reaction videos", but if that's your cup of tea then go for it.
She's under the deluded impression that men who like star wars would be remotely interested in a vile, vacuous excuse for a woman as her. SHE is undateable. I hope she never raises any sons.
hah, she might look not so bad on her profile pic, but once she opens her mouth (or in this case, typed out her stupidity), she's the freaking undateable one. Who can be with such a judgemental ignorant b***h? My bf is a standard victim of insane toxic masculinity standard, he is even afraid of wearing pink or riding my pink scooter!!! That's insane to me! Dude is so afraid of doing things that might make him look less of man in other people's opinions, that he'd rather bury the interest/liking and just follow the standard. I'm pissed all the time about it but I know it's gonna take a long time to slowly change. If only he was never taught that way by family, society!!!
Honestly, this is offensive and atrocious. NOBODY should be treated this was, white or black, male or female, young or old, it's unnaceptable!! Let EVERYBODY have interests!! Let the idiots who say this kind of stuff date other idiots, and the people who very much like (even to the point of obsession, don't judge) things mingle with their own!! This doesn't have to be as hard as it is. It's ridiculous. JUST LET PEOPLE BE THEMSELVES. Instead of all the other stupid and nonimportant things like memes we drill into our own heads every day (I'm guilty of memeing too, I need work, nobody's perfect), why don't we try drilling in the fact that EVERYONE IS EQUAL. EVERYONE IS IMPORTANT. RESPECT THAT. THEN we have time for memes. Have a blessed day.
Also WOW BOREDPANDA Coming at me at the end of the article with that parasitic snail video lol thanks I guess but wholly unexpected?
The entitlement of some people, of either gender, that everyone in the world is irresistibly attracted to you (I personally deal with a lot of this as a bisexual vs. guys I'm legit not interested in) is honestly SO MUCH MORE undateable than a person whose so adorkably passionate about the things they love. But she's probably just salty that no one will look at her the way this nerdbro looks at the star wars trailer.
I'm sure St. Clair would rather date guys who wear ties every day. I can't think of much that turns me off more. It just screams "I AM A CONFORMIST."
Also: I married a cargo short man and I love him to the moon and back! <3 No-one shall decide who is "dateable"! I truly and deeply believe that each and every human being has at least one other person to belong to! Nobody shall suffer from loneliness! (If someone decides to be alone, that person probalbly does not suffer from the loneliness. ;) )
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And what is this thing about cargo shorts?? I completely missed the memo that said guys look bad in cargo shorts LOL!!!
Lets be honest name one sexy nerd.. Now name a sexy jock,rock star,actor, singer etc. Women will always flock to the alpha male,the guy with money,fame,power or the really talented guy.. They rarely hang out at comic book stores... Sorry..if the truth hurts..but yeah most women are ladder climbing bitches. I mean look when pete davidson was dating arianna grande..all people could say was wtf...why is she with that loser.
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Load More Replies...First off i dont need a woman to defend my interest or my passion. It has nothing to do with how masculine i am. Second she bashes the other woman for saying these guys are undateable..yet she goes on to confirm this by using the stereotyped word.and imagery.....nerd... She further tells how she thinks they are sexy...but then drops the whole my boyfriend referrence on us. Like omg geeks are cool but i already have a bf. So in essence she comes full circle and doesnt date one herself..
"I have never received more death threats...." like she's collecting them or something. That in itself says a lot about this individual.
when i brought my girlfriend over for the first time, she looked around in awe at my Hot Toys collection which is in really nice (i think) display cases... then showed her my office with action figures, my stack of comic boxes, movie props, bookshelves of hardcover graphic novels... she was kind of in awe...i saw the look on her face... and said "yeah, im a dork" we still dated after that....
Ashley, who died and made you judge of mankind ? You're getting way too much attention by being a very mean, very wrong girl. Try doing something good for a positive change. Oh, and people who live in glass houses ...
I can absolutely guarantee, that these ‘undateable’ men, would rather be thrown into the Great Pit of Carkoon and into the gaping jaws of The Sarlacc, than date a beyond pathetic, immature buffoon of a bully, like her.
I described my husband as a geek once to some Radio Shack guys. They looked at me oddly and said why would I insult my husband like that? I got a little worked up and responded I'm GLAD he's a geek! My husband supports a family by being a geek! I'm PROUD to be a geek's wife! I think our whole family are geeks! then walked off in a huff.
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all boyfriends I had was all nerds. I am too. I would pick a guy I can talk star wars with over one who is masculine
I once had a date with a man, and I asked him what his passion was. He passed almost all this time talking about DnD and pathfinder... it's been 5 years ago and we're getting married in 6 months.
My dad is actually the reason why I am so passionate about being a nerd/geek. I was a daddy's girl when I was younger so I got into quite a lot of things he was into so I grew up with a father( a man) geeking out over things people thought were stupid. In fact both of us are super pumped for the new Star Wars movie. He is the reason why I like people who wear their emotions on their sleeve, I've seen him cry among other things.
I guess there are only two type of women in this world. Cargo or bermuda?!?! Dont ask me why, somehow as I See a guy wearing a Bermudas I imagine he was in a rush that morning and put on his girls Capri pants, thats why they got a bit short and often stretched to its limits.. The only option is with knee socks 100years ago.
I don't get why people are like this. She should respect other people's interests and other people's opinion of "attractive". Tbh, I sorta have a crush on a geek who watches Starwars, play magic the gathering (card game), etc..
While I agree with most of what is being said here that men should be free to express themselves in any way they want (as long as they aren’t hurting anyone of course). I want to add that the idea of a so called “toxic culture of entitled self absorbed women” does not actually exist. Remember this is a very misogynistic world where women are seen as “less than” men. I mean don’t get me wrong there are definitely self absorbed women in the world, however there is NO culture of it. The only real culture we have is toxic masculinity and why it’s harmful to both women and men.
I hate to burst her bubble, but everyone is a nerd about something. Whether it's a sports nerd, makeup nerd, science nerd, star wars nerd, or fashion nerd, EVERYONE is a nerd about something. It just means you are passionate about a subject.
It is true that "there is someone out there for everyone" and it is our interests that make us interesting to others. I love seeing couples together that are bonded over their interests. Hooray for them finding each other and enjoying what they are into with someone who loves it to. How lucky they are!
I saw that tweet and commented on it too! I reacted the exact same way he did, I was in floods of tears ten seconds in the trailer. He is clearly having the time of his life and that woman ought to be ashamed of herself!!! I am not married yet but I will definitely want a husband that is into Star Wars !!! He is an awesome dude!
To the woman who thinks this kind of nerd is undateable---- He probably thinks you are unf^^kable because you't care about anything apart from denigrating anything you don't understand. P.S. That's also me, I love a million things, but now I don't care if you live or die. Enjoy the rest of your sad life,
I couldn't care less what ms StClair thinks. I'm too busy building Lego. Star Wars and Harry Potter Lego. My wife isn't a fellow geek, but supports my hobbies nonetheless, because she loves my giggling when I open a new box... 😂
Well, apparently I'm insane loser, cause I like both Marvel and Star Wars. Or did she make exception for women?
I'm thinking she can't find a date, so she's blaming the outside world instead of looking at herself. Personally, I'm not into Star Wars, liked the movies, but my passion did not go beyond that. but that would not stop me from dating a great guy. I may learn new things from him absorb his passion and become a huge fan. Never close your mind!
Some people just want to see the world burn if it could just give them 15 seconds of fame in the Twitterverse. How sad for her to be close minded about men with a particular passion? She could miss out on making a lasting relationship with someone special.
Well Ashley, enjoy your loveless marriage to Spencer, who peaked as variety lacrosse captain, and now works as VP of something-something at Mediocre Corp to support you and the two kids who can't relate to him, who binge drinks on the weekends and accidentally hits you because bought 2% and he uses 1% but that's ok because you should have known better, who cheats on you with his secretary ... and your best girlfriend but you stay with him for the kids and your Christian values. Yeah, enjoy that "real man" Ashley.
Would that mean, that women intersted in faishion also is undateable?
I'm all about Superhero movies. I'd be thrilled to find someone in my age range to cosplay with at ComiCon.
Not personally interested in Star Wars but here's how I see things: I loved to watch Eric Buts' passion and enthusiasm! I don't see a reason why he wouldn't be able to get a girl friend. He will will never need to take a drug to get high, all he has to do is watch a film trailor!! I wish there were more ppl like that in the world. On the other hand, St Claire simply posted her opinion, since he's not her type. Everyone is entitled to have a 'type's if they want to.
she is way overboard . frankly i want a real man with warts and all. i don't want a man that has neutered . if someone puts a hand on shoulder i'll be screaming assault. this woman needs help.if men do what these called women say drop her fast because she and other women like needs to shunned at all cost if we are to have a future.men listen up be yourself.
Back in the days of arranged marriages, this was often the reason men had mistresses. They were not allowed to be themselves with their wife. This is not a woman a man will ever be able to be secure and comfortable with. Her image of him would always have to be "on"
Sounds to me more as if she is promoting Brainless Feminism...like most other feminist activists do on a daily basis...
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