Male Coworkers Were Asking This Woman Whether They Were ‘Mansplaining’, So She Created A Chart
Mansplaining is defined as when a man tries to explain something to a woman in an oversimplified manner, often in a patronizing tone. The problem arises from a noxious mixture of overinflated ego, based on the flawed assumption of the male chauvinist that men simply know better, and clueless ignorance of the knowledge and capabilities that modern women wield with a tinge of sexism on top of it all.
It needn’t necessarily be a gendered issue, some people are simply arrogant and get a smug sense of satisfaction from talking down to people, regardless of their sex. But it is pervasive enough to have been identified as a problem that we must tackle. So guys, how do you know when you’re mansplaining? It really shouldn’t be too difficult, just don’t assume that you are more knowledgeable about something, simply because you own a penis. Still not clear with this passive sexism example? Twitter user Kim Goodwin decided that she would lay it out in terms that even an idiot could understand, using a simple, classic flow chart.
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Her post quickly went viral, with people applauding her creative and accurate way of getting her point across. And while there were some (mostly male) detractors, the thread was enlightening as people took to the topic, and shared their own experiences of mansplaining and sexism in the workplace. Scroll down below to check it out for yourself, and let us know what you think in the comments!
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Mansplaining often happens by a man explaining back to a woman something she litterally just explained to him one minute before. So not only is it condescending, but it makes him look stupid.
Why not just condemn condescending and baseless explanations? Why gender it for no reason? We could have agreed! I've experienced this from both men and women, its not sexism, its just regular a*****e-ness.
Because our behavior is largely gendered. Men are 'typically' more assertive, more likely to interrupt, more likely to speak, more likely to ask questions, more likely to feel qualified, more likely to feel assured in their opinions, etc. Women are 'typically' more reserved, they are less likely to speak up, less likely to interrupt, less likely to ask questions, less confident in their abilities and qualifications, etc. Furthermore, men are far less likely to be corrected for interrupting while women who interrupt are more likely to be reprimanded. They do studies on this all the time. The reason why she focuses on gender is because gender matters a lot. Statistics tell us just how much gender matters. It isn't for no reason, the reason is because we know from study after study that women disproportionately suffer from this behavior.
Load More Replies...Never heard the term before but I'm probably guilty of womansplaining some obvious things to guys, too... Seems that all of us can be equally annoying :D
I think you didn't get it, let me explain it in easy terms... Sorry, couldn't resist.
Load More Replies...It is mansplaining if you wouldn't say the same thing to another man.
I am an adult male married to an adult female. I have grown to despise men. Hardware stores and auto repair shops are the worst! They treat her with such contempt it infuriates me. When I need help at Lowes, I seek out a woman employee because most men will proclaim knowledge when they are totally ignorant. C'mon guys, woman up!
So true, Bruce! I went to buy a new orbital sander because I wore out my old one. The clerk (20 years younger than me) was so smirky and annoying! He wanted to know if I wanted to call my husband to see if I was getting the right brand. Puke!
Load More Replies...For the men complaining that this has been unnecessarily gendered, she starts off her post with "I have had more than one male colleague sincerely ask" << THAT is why it's gendered. For my own part, let me choose one of a thousand examples. I was training a new driver, when a male co-worker who had been there for about 6 weeks walked up. I introduced them, stating that I was training the new driver. The male co-worker then proceeded to to tell the new driver half of what I had just covered. When I said, we've already covered that, he held his hand up in my face to tell to me wait while he explained things. About half of what he said was wrong.
I get mansplained to fairly often. Yesterday the mansplainer was an auto repair shop employee who told me how it takes an hour for them to sell me a battery and replace it. I assumed he thought that I don't know what kind of car I drive and that I've never had to replace a car battery. I went to a different shop and they took care of my purchase in less than 15 minutes. This would not be statiscally significant, except I had the same experience on September when I needed a battery for my RV . Men often talk down to me at work, at least until I start talking and they realize that I'm a subject matter expert.
This reminds me of something, actually. My boyfriend works in a small plumbing store. They have a parts counter, a showroom, and a stockroom. ALL the women hired by this store work the showroom or as a cashier. Men can work all areas of the store. But no women have ever worked in the parts counter. It's like there's this pervasive idea that 'women can't know plumbing parts!!' and they don't even train them for the job-- my boyfriend was trained up and knew nothing when he started. No women do stock, either. Your story about the auto shop just reminded me of how incredibly gendered certain jobs are perceived as being, to the point where nobody bats an eye or even stops to think why all the women hired go work in the showroom and all the men in parts. It's really weird how pervasive it is.
Load More Replies...The worst one I ever saw was a guy telling women how to be women. It was a spectacular wtf moment.
Yes, one of my ex-boyfriends explained to me about bra’s.. completely wrong and I had been wearing them for years and years at the time.
Load More Replies...cracks me up the way some men get so offended when their "gender" is the topic of general bad behavior." wah wah girls do it to". we woman have been treated this way since we were girls for ad infinitum, you boys can't take it in even the smallest of doses.
AS AN EXAMPLE, for those in the back who don't get it: I, a female person, am an experienced goldsmith. As I worked on a piece in our local art association, some visitors came strolling through on a tour. I was preparing to solder some silver together with an acetylene torch. A man with a bemused smile on his face stopped by my work station and started to explain how I needed to do it, how to hold the torch, what flux is (!), etc. I gave him several annoyed looks and "I know" comments, then I finally sat back and asked him, "Oh, have you soldered silver before?" (No, but...) "Are you a goldsmith?" (No, but...) "Okay. It's totally different." Then I just ignored him until he sheepishly retreated. UGH! THAT is "mansplaining." A woman might come in and say, "Are you new at this?" and if you said no, she'd leave you alone.
Actually I take that back. If a woman came in and saw me working with an acetylene torch, she's presume I knew what I was doing, or she'd watch and ask questions.\
Load More Replies...Lot of fragile masculinity in the beginning here after the chart came out. The chart is good and should be on so many walls of many different types of businesses and industries
Luke, your over-sensitivity to the legitimate egalitarian principles of feminism only shows you to be a prime example of the blindness we face in SOME men (decidedly not all). We love and work alongside our husbands, our uncles, grandfathers, sons, brothers ... and we respect and engage with them happily and without trouble the vast majority of the time. Feminism is NOT about "hating men." It is about hating the limitations that CERTAIN men would place upon us. We do not accept bad behavior when it occurs, nor do we accept CERTAIN men's decisions and opinions about who and what we SHOULD be. Feminism is about the right to make free choices ... to be mothers, to be working women, to be both or just one or the other -- and to fill a thousand other roles in equal standing.
Load More Replies...Men who get defensive at the idea of mansplaining might just be a******s.
Poor Luke. He confuses being "treated with respect" with "never being questioned or challenged for bad behavior, when you exhibit it."
Load More Replies...there's a guy i know (not by choice) that "mansplains" to a (female) teacher what she has years of experience in. what annoys me is she tends to humour him and listen to his ghastly explanations of something she more elegantly and articulately taught the class earlier. BUT he doesn't just "mansplain" to women, he'll give unsolicited "advice" to other men in the class too and it wont be nice and concise, it'll be 20 minutes of non stop talking. While I agree that men more often than not like to mansplain and that their targets are often women, they WILL take the opportunity to do it to another man too. this is more about their ego and trying to make themselves feel superior than it is about who their target is.
Whenever my Dad got a new power tool or appliance, my brothers were allowed to "tinker" with them to learn how to use them. When it came to me and my sister, he insisted on us reading the manual from cover to cover before he'd even let us near the item in question. He also has this idea that my brothers can handle everything on their own, but that my sister and I needed rescuing. Stop thinking of women as the weaker sex. We are intelligent, strong and fully capable of looking after ourselves. And, in many cases, we surpass men. After all..if it wasn't for us women...you men wouldn't even be here.... (And you are only able to argue against that last statement if you've carried a child to term and given birth...)
The opposite is true too, we couldn't have children without men, so this argument gets old.
Load More Replies...It has been recorded as happening quite a lot in traditionally male dominated arenas (science, engineering, medicine, rescue services, etc.), where women who have exactly the same qualifications and education and experience as the men are still getting treated as though they have no clue what's happening.
Love the comments where men are mansplaining that they are not mansplaining.
Why do others just go on and explain without consent? I've found that things work more smoothly if you ask someone if they know about something first. It gives the person the option tell them that they know of it. Plus, it makes it so you don't waste everyone's time.
What the f**k is wrong with this Luke McCall person? Did you not get breastfed and that's why your brain is f****d up? Also, fuckface, this is not Marxist indoctrination, you demimonde spawn, it's about not being a d**k, which you totally are.
Load More Replies...Well... to summarize it more > "Don't explain anything unless you are asked to."
As an example, I've played soccer for 42 years. A few years back, I was at a formal pick up game - most of the players were men. The ref called a player for offsides. This is a common rule in soccer. I asked to no one in particular, "how is that offsides". Again, a fairly common trash-talk comment. The guy next to me turned and started explaining off-sides. When I tried to walk away, he followed me and kept explaining it. I have no doubt that if I was a man this would not have happened. I turned to my husband, who I've been playing with for 30 years and explained the offsides rule to him. He thought I was crazy, but it got it off my chest. Thank you Kim Goodwin for the simple message, don't assume women don't know something.
Why didn't you tell THE GUY "I know what the offsides rule is, no need to explain, thanks !!" ?
Load More Replies...Genius flowchart. I'd print it up and post it, but I'm fortunate to have coworkers for whom mansplaining is not a problem.
If a guy has to ask, the answer is probably yes, and that guy is obviously not the brightest light in he office. "Mama did I s**t my pants" questions are not the most woke.
Happens in my field of work, though we got a good chuckle when our IT guy thought we didn't know how big our design files are and proceeded to explain it. It gave us over an hour of 'meeting' time to our day.
I have to say I’m in favor for the phrase “not all men”. We get treated with sexism a lot more, but it’s true men get grouped in together with unfair sayings.
Load More Replies..."...and by the way, men are by definition not targets of sexism." EXCUSE Me? There certainly are times when men are the victims of prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination on the basis of sex. Soooooo... What is the word for that?
"Men are by definition not targets of sexism." What a sexist thing to say.
Exactly! Don't say women can't be sexist, because when you say that, you are, by your own definition, sexist!
Load More Replies...Legit asking, where does "discussion" come in? Can people of different gendrs have discussion about a topic that they know something about or jst want to consider with it being "manslaining"?
Of course people of different genders can have a discussion! I truly don't know why this is hard for people to understand. All this is saying is, don't assume you know more than someone of the other gender because of their gender. Don't butt in and assert your opinions when people aren't asking. That's all. I'm a woman and you're a man. If you know more about something than me and I want to know, I'll happily listen and ask you questions. If we're having a conversation and it's clear I don't know something, tell me! It only becomes a problem when you just assume I couldn't possibly know what the hell I'm saying because I'm a female.
Load More Replies...Im a female and i think this is utter b******t. Are we that sensitive as a culture that we cant just ignore someone who is an a*****e. This post came off as man hating not man splaining to me which is what a lot of modern feminists have turned towards doing. Its like guys have to walk on eggshells around women now bc everything they do or say is wrong. Newsflash: us women can be rude and condescending.. like this woman for instance. She was so shocked that she had to sit down and to explain to men what mansplaining is.. which is pretty much modern feminists way to find another thing to hate men for.
I got stuck at the part where "men are by definition not the target of sexism". According to ever dictionary I just looked up it's discrimination based on sex - "especially women" but not exclusively. So I agree that it's mostly women who are the victims, they're not the only victims. Any time you hear a comment that begins with, "Women are... " OR "Men are..." you can pretty much bet it's going to be a sexist comment.
I wonder how many times this will have to be explained: a woman can't be sexist towards a man. That's not how sexism works, or is defined. sex·ism /ˈsekˌsizəm/Submit noun prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination, typically against women, on the basis of sex. Our society is a patriarchal structure, giving dominance to men. As the dominant gender you can't be a victim of sexism. For now. Update: Luke, if I had sons, they would be taught to treat everyone with respect and not judge based on anything. B Walko, it's been repeatedly explained to you that women can't be sexist, but you can't seem to get past your hurt feelings. That's your problem, not mine. Lee people prejudge and stereotype all the time. That has nothing to do with what is being discussed here. Linouchka, I agree that it's terrible when people say those things, but that's not sexism. That's not oppressing them, that is bad teaching.
Load More Replies...Whenever I am being condescended to, patronized or "over-explained to" in general, I put an interested/listening look on my face and go over my list of tasks for the day in my head until they finish their soliloquy. This applies to both Women and Men. I work for a group of self-important twits who know it all and don't listen anyway so this is my survival tactic. They have argued with the voices in their own heads, so this is not a problem for me.
Raise your hand if you think Derek Nankivell is a habitual mansplainer!
"Sexism is prejudice or discrimination based on one's sex or gender. Sexism can affect ANYONE" - heres your definition Ms Kim I-Know-Better
My advice would be to point out the logical fallacy in an inherently biased term: circular reasoning, colloquially referred to now online as a Kafka Trap. There is no defence against being accused of mansplaining, because to argue with the accusation is to provide further proof that you are guilty of the crime you are charged with. It is assumed that you are a priori guilty of mansplaining. The only recourse you have is to be silent and accept whatever they charge you with, or actively surrender and plead guilty (at which point you would be expected to rest your laurels and become Ideologue du jour.) The same issue would happen with someone accused of femsplaining, or whitesplaining, or heterosplaining, or ablesplaining…nothing you can say can defend you because you were already labeled as being privileged before the discourse began, and privilege is guilt. - Tom Ramsay
i just say "Shut up", or put up my hand, or walk away while the man is in mid-sentence. Problem solved!
I jist printed a few copies of this chart. Going to hand it to my boyfriend any time he tries mansplaning when I drive.
Oh yeah, I'm sure women don't explain c**p when it's not needed. . . OH WAIT THEY DO! Also, this is based on the fact that men are sexist right? Well I'm pretty sure making a word called mansplaning is sexist, making it hypocritical. Surely a person going for gender equality wouldn't make a sexist word. . . OH WAIT WRONG AGAIN, they did. Nothing is wrong with gender equality, but this isn't equality.
I was born with male genitals but I'm gender fluid, and when I explain things I'm a female.
Mansplanning, The made up word. So u can shut up men. Which is also just as sexist. The real term, Is over explainin... Which men and women are guilty of. U made a chart, Oh... I guess u are womansplanning. Sounds just as ignorant.
Better just stop talking to women. It's getting really, REALLY too complicated. I mean come on. This is so 2018, I hope in 2020's we will be more evolved and look back to this as we look back on mustache use in the 80's and say : yes, it was ridiculous.
As a woman, while I do think that this interaction happens more frequently to women by men, it happens in my life contexts and women need to learn how to correct the "splainer" in a contextually appropriate way. It's not completely on the woman, there is societal need to build girls' confidence and ability to "lean in" and males to recognize this pattern, but women probably have the most important role in ending this type of interaction. Without feedback, people (in this case the mansplainer) are unlikely to change their behavior.
I got to say this is funny and more-than-a-bit embarrassingly useful! Thank you for making this :D
I appreciate the chart. I tend to talk a lot, and have a lot of basic knowledge about a lot of different things. I like sharing what I know and I’m usually starved for socialization. As a result, I’ve peobably come across as mansplaining to someone at some point and I don’t want to do that to anyone. I try to surround myself with intelligent people, preferably women, so the last thing I want to do is be “that guy“. Just being conscious of not wanting to be “that guy” might not always be enough when I’m excited about a topic. So, this woman’s chart is helpful for keeping these things in mind.
I don't explain anything to anyone. If someone asks a question, and I answer correctly, that's teaching. If they want further clarification, they can find that out for themselves. I'm not being paid for it, so to hell with you.
I think the non discrimatory word is personsplaining? Or this is a different flavour of gender equality?
"men by definition are not targets to sexism" sexism is TYPICALLY against women. not DEFINATELY.
"It's gendered because the behavior is predominantly gendered." I'm glad that was explained to me...
I usually just provide this anecdote: I live in the rural south, specifically in an area where people love to shoot their guns. A few years ago, my mom (a California native, which may or may not be relevant) and her husband were chatting with one of his friends. At some point, a gun came out, some cans were shot, and the friend asked my mom if she would like to shoot. She did. A can was set up, the man handed the gun to my mom, and then, completely unprompted, proceeded to explain how to aim and shoot a gun. My mom said nothing the whole time. And when he finished, she casually aimed and fired, hitting the can. If he'd asked BEFOREHAND if she knew how to handle a gun, she probably would've explained that she'd been trained when she was in the Air Force back in the 80s.
If the person following the flowchart is a woman, or the person being 'splained to a man, what label do we give them when they arrives at the state of "mansplaining"?
We all "splain" things. The way in which we do it, however, is crucial. That's the point, to me, in the flowchart. You can remove the gendered words and it still works quite nicely, IMO.
Is she pretty? Maybe he just wants to talk to her. Take it as a compliment! But no, you can’t do that can you? Just like any man you don’t find “dreamy” asking you on a date or complimenting your appearance is sexual harassment. And if a man sits without his knees touching his is “manspreading” And asserting dominance....or something...toxic. But he’s not, guys got junk, so open legs are simply more comfortable. So maybe relaxing is better for you? Sorry, you seemed to need this explained to you.
I also have got a new made-up word: Womanplaining. It's wamen complaining about something that is not an real issue.
"And by the way men are by definition not targets of sexism." I could argue that point.
Mansplaining? Pfft small potatoes. What about the systematic and insidious culture of `Parentsplaining` when your Mum and/or Dad say `because I said so` in answer to 99% of children`s impertinent or uncomfortable questions? Now there is an Issue the SJW's should be tackling !!!
This whole thread made me really tired...good lord, I don't think I'm smart enough to go out of my house and talk to people I encounter during the day any longer. Life has gotten extremely complicated with all the rules that have popped up over the last few years. I'm starting to wonder if it's okay that I breathe the amount of times I do each minute, and if maybe I'm blinking too much. Sorry...I guess I'm just not caught up with the times...
What a crock, this is not gender specific, I go into the kitchen and my other half proceeds to assume I am clueless, if someone looks like they do not have a clue, you try to help, end of. this feminine thing got out of hand years ago, and has only got worse, we are all human, and none of us know it all or can go through life without help, and NO FLOW CHART will ever make a situation better all it does is make the dreator feel more important, but look a bit precious.
I really hate being female just because of how poorly females act towards men these days frankly I don't give to shits if this offends you... But everyone wants equal rights these days and equal rights means everyone gets treated the same..that's not what is happening in today's world. If we want equal rights we gotta start by realizing that every gender, every religion, every sexual orientation, every culture and every level of ability can get raped, can be a victim to DV, can be mentally verbally and physically abused. Can b depressed, can be anxious can be suicidal. Can be a great parent can achieve success. On the other hand they can also rape, murder, abuse, be a bad parent, can steal, can commit crimes. We as a society need to stop this b******t where you can only be capable of something because of your gender or your race etc. You can only be a victim because of your gender or your race ect. You want equal rights than start giving people equal rights and stop all this b******t about wanting equal rights and then giving people more rights or less rights then others. Stop treating people differently. Basically if your a male in today's society your just a huge a*****e and it's not right and I don't care how many people get butthurt over this, I'm entitled to my opinion.
And before you say "oh you don't know what women go theough" I was in a verbally and physically abusive relationship with a man who lied to people saying he was mentally ill and was not. He would hit me and call me named and refused to let me see my dying grandfather. He even one night tried to run me over with his car and I deciding I couldn't go on like this tried to kill myself it of course didn't work but I didn't tell the police and stayed with him til my friend help me leave. I reported it to the police and they asked him and he said he didn't and that was that. Not to mention the countless times men tried to chat me up for sex cause they thought a disabled woman is to stupid to say no and yet I still believe men are being in some cases treated lesser then woman. I know more then one time I have personally known men who were raped and abused by women but nothing got done cause "women can't rape men" and " he is his being a wuss"
Load More Replies...Thanks for womansplaining the dreaded mansplaining to us, Kim. We're forever better divided people now for it.
I "mansplain" and im a female..... I don't like how the human race is consistently pointing fingers at each other. Everything does not need a title, and in this case, feminists need to stop viewing men as if only they are a problem. You cannot specify this type of behavior to one gender and think it's okay without losing sight to what you actually believe is right. In this case, you are against condescending behavior, people interrupting, and people giving opinions when no one has asked... Don't associate all men with these characteristics... it's inaccurate and will make people view feminism as a negative cause. Women do deserve to be treated with respect, but don't bring men down to bring us up.
The thing is we women support each other so when a men talks stuff(replace it with the bad word)about us we defend our point isn't that one of the things feminism is about?supporting women?
Load More Replies...Mansplaining is a straw man fallacy feminists use to shut down a debate they're losing.
What's the matter, bunkie? Now that you're outed you're pouting?
Load More Replies...So in summary, a woman, condescendingly explaining mansplaining in a simplified manner to men. The irony is indeed strong. In other news, not a gender issue. Modern feminism is literally just dividing people along battle lines that DO NOT exist. Anyone who explains something in a condescending manner is an a*****e, this woman included.
Techincally, (according to the chart) she's not "mansplaining" because they asked. My questions is did I just "mansplain" (because you didn't ask) or are we having a discussion
Load More Replies...Well, congratulations on making yourself a Victim! Everyone wants to be a Victim these days. Off course, what she calls mansplaining is simply what men do. We do it to other men. And, good grief, women do it to men. And to other women. People are so touchy these days. Get over yourselves.
Ahhh, the always helpful and informative "everybody does it, get over it" post. Thought I was on Facebook there for a minute.
Load More Replies...You really could have saved yourself time, Kim. By your own logic, unless an explanation is asked for its “mansplaining” so why not get right to the point? You might say “I don’t say all men” but does the made up word “ mansplaining” not imply that? And if your chart really has merit, why the word “mansplaining”? Why not just condescending? You can crack in with made up words as much as you like - but where is your proof that this is a male specific trait?
I do think it is sexist to treat this as something men do to women when in reality arrogant people of both genders do it. Don't only criticize it when men do it. Secondly, the main problem with the chart is the "probably mansplaining" section. If a man doesn't know how skilled a person is or if they are at the same level, it is absolutely okay to explain something given that there is a 50% chance that she knows less about it than him and it is just polite to explain something that you aren't sure if the speaker knows how to do it. If you know how to work a computer program and then someone else comes in to work it, you don't assume that they know how to do it. That would be rude to just throw someone in to a situation which you have no idea whether they know how to do it. The important question to ask is would we criticize a woman if she did the same thing to a man? I think most people would agree that we wouldn't.
Mansplanning, The made up word to shut men up. This is even more sexist then what u claim men do. U made a chart, Well now u are guilty of womansplanning.
I have a real problem with this chart. It's only applicable if the woman has not asked the man to explain, because if she has asked for an explanation, it's ok, it's not mansplaining. In the real world, the answer to the secondary question "Do you have more relevant experience?", will almost invariably be "I am not sure" and to assume otherwise would risk being accused of condescending and/or sexist behaviour. This then only leads to an undesirable conclusion of "probably mansplaining". So, in order to avoid the risk of being accused of mansplaining, the most sensible option for the man would be to allow the woman to carry on and not offer assistance or explanation. This may often lead to undesirable consequences too, unless the man is wrong (which could well be the case) or unless everyone agrees that it is best for the woman to be able to make and then learn from her own mistakes. This could be cured by linking to the "Did you ask if she needed it to be explained" question.
I have a real problem with this chart. It's only applicable if the woman has not asked the man to explain, because if she has asked for an explanation, it's ok, it's not mansplaining. In the real world, the answer to the secondary question "Do you have more relevant experience?", will almost invariably be "I am not sure" and to assume otherwise would be at risk of being accused of condescending and/or sexist behaviour. This then only leads to an undesirable conclusion of "probably mansplaining". So, in order to avoid the risk of being accused of mansplaining, the most sensible option for the man would be to allow the woman to carry on and not offer assistance or explanation. This may often lead to undesirable consequences too, unless the man is wrong (which could well be the case) or unless everyone agrees that it is best for the woman to be able to make and then learn from her own mistakes This could be cured by linking to the "Did you ask if she needed it to be explained" question.
Mansplaining is a straw man argument feminists use to shut down a debate they're losing.
"Mansplaining" was initially a valid concept until it exploded into the mainstream. Now, just like anything else, it's been misused and abused to the point that it no longer has true definition. It's just become a go-to response for anytime someone is contradicted.
Nope. She was asked to explain. So according to her chart its definitely not mansplaining. Pay attention.
Load More Replies...Somebody has to mansplain facts to ignorant feminists otherwise they'll keep on believing and spreading their own femshit.
mansplaining is a fictional concoction of emotionally r******d 3rd wave feminazi's.
I couldn't disagree more. Why should we ask people before we explain things to them? This is precisely the habit I'm in the middle of trying to break in my kids. If someone explains something to you that you already know, and it's reasonable to do so (e.g. not a waste of your time), just listen. You might learn something new, and there's no pride in letting people know that you already knew it. Of course if someone's explaining something to you in order to insult you, sure, that's bad (though I'm not convinced it's a gendered issue, and certainly think that by all other standards, the term "mansplaining" is sexist). But if I think someone doesn't know something, IMHO it's a nice thing to try explaining it to them. Having to get consent first before we explain things is simply absurd. This is PC to the extreme, and harms civil society.
This process demands I know a lot about my co-workers! Isn't 'clueless ignorance of the knowledge and capabilities that modern women wield.' offensive? Marie Curie knew something, Emmeline Pankhurst was pretty capable.
I have such mixed feeling about society. I love a lot of the progress we made as a whole, while also hating the overly sensitive PC culture and the ironies of most equality movements that pick and choose the thing things they want equal. want to be equal? Cool, then lets be equal across the board not where its comfortable for you.
Haha ..women really have to decide: are we equal ... or not? If we are equal, there is no such thing as "usually men do this / do that - therefore we label it as *mansplaining* because women don´t do that". Personally i would call this big bs. Why? I was on parental leave for about 8 months, my wife had to rejoin her job earlier. I did everything mom´s would do, it was really a joy... but i got heavily excluded by other moms, they didn´t even wanna talk to me when i spent time at the playground with my daughter... just because i´m a man. Minutes later, other women arrived - they didn´t know each other -> complete opposite behaviour. This went on for MONTHS and wasn´t a "special experience". As a man, if you join a "field" where women are usually for themselves, u will receive an attitude like its 1950, but the roles are switched. I think feminsim was heavily needed, equal rights, same treatment - i´m all in - but this f****d up hypocrisy in feminism nowadays is unreal..
This is so ludicrously, pathetically, incurably sexist. The first sign of an a*****e is being genuinely convinced that all others are by far bigger a******s.
a woman can't be sexist towards a man. That's not how sexism works, or is defined. sex·ism /ˈsekˌsizəm/Submit noun prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination, typically against women, on the basis of sex. Our society is a patriarchal structure, giving dominance to men. As the dominant gender you can't be a victim of sexism. For now.
Load More Replies...The chart is wrong. It's not mansplaining if she did not ask for the info. Sometimes her (or his ... does this work with male colleagues too?) actions or comments lead someone to believe that there is info missing, hence the "uninvited" explanation.
Well, you can believe that there is info missing and be wrong, it's better to ask first if your belief is correct.
Load More Replies...I sat and watched as a man explained my own wife's job to her. She has a masters in her field and without knowing anything about her, he butted into her conversation and tried to tell her she was wrong and how to do things the "right" way. He has no degree in that field. So it happens. It definitely happens. Maybe ask some women in your life if they've experienced it rather than just assuming it doesn't happen?
Load More Replies...Aww you get very upset when people dare to question your fragile maleness.
Load More Replies...No. It isnt. The man asked for an explanation and the chart was the best way she could explain. If she made the chart without any of her male coworkers asking for an explanation then it would be hypocritical.
Load More Replies...It's only mansplaining if you're explaining something that someone already knows and didn't ask for advice. Not if you're just telling someone something you know.
Load More Replies...Wow, triggered much? What are you so afraid of? Lol
Load More Replies...Mansplaining often happens by a man explaining back to a woman something she litterally just explained to him one minute before. So not only is it condescending, but it makes him look stupid.
Why not just condemn condescending and baseless explanations? Why gender it for no reason? We could have agreed! I've experienced this from both men and women, its not sexism, its just regular a*****e-ness.
Because our behavior is largely gendered. Men are 'typically' more assertive, more likely to interrupt, more likely to speak, more likely to ask questions, more likely to feel qualified, more likely to feel assured in their opinions, etc. Women are 'typically' more reserved, they are less likely to speak up, less likely to interrupt, less likely to ask questions, less confident in their abilities and qualifications, etc. Furthermore, men are far less likely to be corrected for interrupting while women who interrupt are more likely to be reprimanded. They do studies on this all the time. The reason why she focuses on gender is because gender matters a lot. Statistics tell us just how much gender matters. It isn't for no reason, the reason is because we know from study after study that women disproportionately suffer from this behavior.
Load More Replies...Never heard the term before but I'm probably guilty of womansplaining some obvious things to guys, too... Seems that all of us can be equally annoying :D
I think you didn't get it, let me explain it in easy terms... Sorry, couldn't resist.
Load More Replies...It is mansplaining if you wouldn't say the same thing to another man.
I am an adult male married to an adult female. I have grown to despise men. Hardware stores and auto repair shops are the worst! They treat her with such contempt it infuriates me. When I need help at Lowes, I seek out a woman employee because most men will proclaim knowledge when they are totally ignorant. C'mon guys, woman up!
So true, Bruce! I went to buy a new orbital sander because I wore out my old one. The clerk (20 years younger than me) was so smirky and annoying! He wanted to know if I wanted to call my husband to see if I was getting the right brand. Puke!
Load More Replies...For the men complaining that this has been unnecessarily gendered, she starts off her post with "I have had more than one male colleague sincerely ask" << THAT is why it's gendered. For my own part, let me choose one of a thousand examples. I was training a new driver, when a male co-worker who had been there for about 6 weeks walked up. I introduced them, stating that I was training the new driver. The male co-worker then proceeded to to tell the new driver half of what I had just covered. When I said, we've already covered that, he held his hand up in my face to tell to me wait while he explained things. About half of what he said was wrong.
I get mansplained to fairly often. Yesterday the mansplainer was an auto repair shop employee who told me how it takes an hour for them to sell me a battery and replace it. I assumed he thought that I don't know what kind of car I drive and that I've never had to replace a car battery. I went to a different shop and they took care of my purchase in less than 15 minutes. This would not be statiscally significant, except I had the same experience on September when I needed a battery for my RV . Men often talk down to me at work, at least until I start talking and they realize that I'm a subject matter expert.
This reminds me of something, actually. My boyfriend works in a small plumbing store. They have a parts counter, a showroom, and a stockroom. ALL the women hired by this store work the showroom or as a cashier. Men can work all areas of the store. But no women have ever worked in the parts counter. It's like there's this pervasive idea that 'women can't know plumbing parts!!' and they don't even train them for the job-- my boyfriend was trained up and knew nothing when he started. No women do stock, either. Your story about the auto shop just reminded me of how incredibly gendered certain jobs are perceived as being, to the point where nobody bats an eye or even stops to think why all the women hired go work in the showroom and all the men in parts. It's really weird how pervasive it is.
Load More Replies...The worst one I ever saw was a guy telling women how to be women. It was a spectacular wtf moment.
Yes, one of my ex-boyfriends explained to me about bra’s.. completely wrong and I had been wearing them for years and years at the time.
Load More Replies...cracks me up the way some men get so offended when their "gender" is the topic of general bad behavior." wah wah girls do it to". we woman have been treated this way since we were girls for ad infinitum, you boys can't take it in even the smallest of doses.
AS AN EXAMPLE, for those in the back who don't get it: I, a female person, am an experienced goldsmith. As I worked on a piece in our local art association, some visitors came strolling through on a tour. I was preparing to solder some silver together with an acetylene torch. A man with a bemused smile on his face stopped by my work station and started to explain how I needed to do it, how to hold the torch, what flux is (!), etc. I gave him several annoyed looks and "I know" comments, then I finally sat back and asked him, "Oh, have you soldered silver before?" (No, but...) "Are you a goldsmith?" (No, but...) "Okay. It's totally different." Then I just ignored him until he sheepishly retreated. UGH! THAT is "mansplaining." A woman might come in and say, "Are you new at this?" and if you said no, she'd leave you alone.
Actually I take that back. If a woman came in and saw me working with an acetylene torch, she's presume I knew what I was doing, or she'd watch and ask questions.\
Load More Replies...Lot of fragile masculinity in the beginning here after the chart came out. The chart is good and should be on so many walls of many different types of businesses and industries
Luke, your over-sensitivity to the legitimate egalitarian principles of feminism only shows you to be a prime example of the blindness we face in SOME men (decidedly not all). We love and work alongside our husbands, our uncles, grandfathers, sons, brothers ... and we respect and engage with them happily and without trouble the vast majority of the time. Feminism is NOT about "hating men." It is about hating the limitations that CERTAIN men would place upon us. We do not accept bad behavior when it occurs, nor do we accept CERTAIN men's decisions and opinions about who and what we SHOULD be. Feminism is about the right to make free choices ... to be mothers, to be working women, to be both or just one or the other -- and to fill a thousand other roles in equal standing.
Load More Replies...Men who get defensive at the idea of mansplaining might just be a******s.
Poor Luke. He confuses being "treated with respect" with "never being questioned or challenged for bad behavior, when you exhibit it."
Load More Replies...there's a guy i know (not by choice) that "mansplains" to a (female) teacher what she has years of experience in. what annoys me is she tends to humour him and listen to his ghastly explanations of something she more elegantly and articulately taught the class earlier. BUT he doesn't just "mansplain" to women, he'll give unsolicited "advice" to other men in the class too and it wont be nice and concise, it'll be 20 minutes of non stop talking. While I agree that men more often than not like to mansplain and that their targets are often women, they WILL take the opportunity to do it to another man too. this is more about their ego and trying to make themselves feel superior than it is about who their target is.
Whenever my Dad got a new power tool or appliance, my brothers were allowed to "tinker" with them to learn how to use them. When it came to me and my sister, he insisted on us reading the manual from cover to cover before he'd even let us near the item in question. He also has this idea that my brothers can handle everything on their own, but that my sister and I needed rescuing. Stop thinking of women as the weaker sex. We are intelligent, strong and fully capable of looking after ourselves. And, in many cases, we surpass men. After all..if it wasn't for us women...you men wouldn't even be here.... (And you are only able to argue against that last statement if you've carried a child to term and given birth...)
The opposite is true too, we couldn't have children without men, so this argument gets old.
Load More Replies...It has been recorded as happening quite a lot in traditionally male dominated arenas (science, engineering, medicine, rescue services, etc.), where women who have exactly the same qualifications and education and experience as the men are still getting treated as though they have no clue what's happening.
Love the comments where men are mansplaining that they are not mansplaining.
Why do others just go on and explain without consent? I've found that things work more smoothly if you ask someone if they know about something first. It gives the person the option tell them that they know of it. Plus, it makes it so you don't waste everyone's time.
What the f**k is wrong with this Luke McCall person? Did you not get breastfed and that's why your brain is f****d up? Also, fuckface, this is not Marxist indoctrination, you demimonde spawn, it's about not being a d**k, which you totally are.
Load More Replies...Well... to summarize it more > "Don't explain anything unless you are asked to."
As an example, I've played soccer for 42 years. A few years back, I was at a formal pick up game - most of the players were men. The ref called a player for offsides. This is a common rule in soccer. I asked to no one in particular, "how is that offsides". Again, a fairly common trash-talk comment. The guy next to me turned and started explaining off-sides. When I tried to walk away, he followed me and kept explaining it. I have no doubt that if I was a man this would not have happened. I turned to my husband, who I've been playing with for 30 years and explained the offsides rule to him. He thought I was crazy, but it got it off my chest. Thank you Kim Goodwin for the simple message, don't assume women don't know something.
Why didn't you tell THE GUY "I know what the offsides rule is, no need to explain, thanks !!" ?
Load More Replies...Genius flowchart. I'd print it up and post it, but I'm fortunate to have coworkers for whom mansplaining is not a problem.
If a guy has to ask, the answer is probably yes, and that guy is obviously not the brightest light in he office. "Mama did I s**t my pants" questions are not the most woke.
Happens in my field of work, though we got a good chuckle when our IT guy thought we didn't know how big our design files are and proceeded to explain it. It gave us over an hour of 'meeting' time to our day.
I have to say I’m in favor for the phrase “not all men”. We get treated with sexism a lot more, but it’s true men get grouped in together with unfair sayings.
Load More Replies..."...and by the way, men are by definition not targets of sexism." EXCUSE Me? There certainly are times when men are the victims of prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination on the basis of sex. Soooooo... What is the word for that?
"Men are by definition not targets of sexism." What a sexist thing to say.
Exactly! Don't say women can't be sexist, because when you say that, you are, by your own definition, sexist!
Load More Replies...Legit asking, where does "discussion" come in? Can people of different gendrs have discussion about a topic that they know something about or jst want to consider with it being "manslaining"?
Of course people of different genders can have a discussion! I truly don't know why this is hard for people to understand. All this is saying is, don't assume you know more than someone of the other gender because of their gender. Don't butt in and assert your opinions when people aren't asking. That's all. I'm a woman and you're a man. If you know more about something than me and I want to know, I'll happily listen and ask you questions. If we're having a conversation and it's clear I don't know something, tell me! It only becomes a problem when you just assume I couldn't possibly know what the hell I'm saying because I'm a female.
Load More Replies...Im a female and i think this is utter b******t. Are we that sensitive as a culture that we cant just ignore someone who is an a*****e. This post came off as man hating not man splaining to me which is what a lot of modern feminists have turned towards doing. Its like guys have to walk on eggshells around women now bc everything they do or say is wrong. Newsflash: us women can be rude and condescending.. like this woman for instance. She was so shocked that she had to sit down and to explain to men what mansplaining is.. which is pretty much modern feminists way to find another thing to hate men for.
I got stuck at the part where "men are by definition not the target of sexism". According to ever dictionary I just looked up it's discrimination based on sex - "especially women" but not exclusively. So I agree that it's mostly women who are the victims, they're not the only victims. Any time you hear a comment that begins with, "Women are... " OR "Men are..." you can pretty much bet it's going to be a sexist comment.
I wonder how many times this will have to be explained: a woman can't be sexist towards a man. That's not how sexism works, or is defined. sex·ism /ˈsekˌsizəm/Submit noun prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination, typically against women, on the basis of sex. Our society is a patriarchal structure, giving dominance to men. As the dominant gender you can't be a victim of sexism. For now. Update: Luke, if I had sons, they would be taught to treat everyone with respect and not judge based on anything. B Walko, it's been repeatedly explained to you that women can't be sexist, but you can't seem to get past your hurt feelings. That's your problem, not mine. Lee people prejudge and stereotype all the time. That has nothing to do with what is being discussed here. Linouchka, I agree that it's terrible when people say those things, but that's not sexism. That's not oppressing them, that is bad teaching.
Load More Replies...Whenever I am being condescended to, patronized or "over-explained to" in general, I put an interested/listening look on my face and go over my list of tasks for the day in my head until they finish their soliloquy. This applies to both Women and Men. I work for a group of self-important twits who know it all and don't listen anyway so this is my survival tactic. They have argued with the voices in their own heads, so this is not a problem for me.
Raise your hand if you think Derek Nankivell is a habitual mansplainer!
"Sexism is prejudice or discrimination based on one's sex or gender. Sexism can affect ANYONE" - heres your definition Ms Kim I-Know-Better
My advice would be to point out the logical fallacy in an inherently biased term: circular reasoning, colloquially referred to now online as a Kafka Trap. There is no defence against being accused of mansplaining, because to argue with the accusation is to provide further proof that you are guilty of the crime you are charged with. It is assumed that you are a priori guilty of mansplaining. The only recourse you have is to be silent and accept whatever they charge you with, or actively surrender and plead guilty (at which point you would be expected to rest your laurels and become Ideologue du jour.) The same issue would happen with someone accused of femsplaining, or whitesplaining, or heterosplaining, or ablesplaining…nothing you can say can defend you because you were already labeled as being privileged before the discourse began, and privilege is guilt. - Tom Ramsay
i just say "Shut up", or put up my hand, or walk away while the man is in mid-sentence. Problem solved!
I jist printed a few copies of this chart. Going to hand it to my boyfriend any time he tries mansplaning when I drive.
Oh yeah, I'm sure women don't explain c**p when it's not needed. . . OH WAIT THEY DO! Also, this is based on the fact that men are sexist right? Well I'm pretty sure making a word called mansplaning is sexist, making it hypocritical. Surely a person going for gender equality wouldn't make a sexist word. . . OH WAIT WRONG AGAIN, they did. Nothing is wrong with gender equality, but this isn't equality.
I was born with male genitals but I'm gender fluid, and when I explain things I'm a female.
Mansplanning, The made up word. So u can shut up men. Which is also just as sexist. The real term, Is over explainin... Which men and women are guilty of. U made a chart, Oh... I guess u are womansplanning. Sounds just as ignorant.
Better just stop talking to women. It's getting really, REALLY too complicated. I mean come on. This is so 2018, I hope in 2020's we will be more evolved and look back to this as we look back on mustache use in the 80's and say : yes, it was ridiculous.
As a woman, while I do think that this interaction happens more frequently to women by men, it happens in my life contexts and women need to learn how to correct the "splainer" in a contextually appropriate way. It's not completely on the woman, there is societal need to build girls' confidence and ability to "lean in" and males to recognize this pattern, but women probably have the most important role in ending this type of interaction. Without feedback, people (in this case the mansplainer) are unlikely to change their behavior.
I got to say this is funny and more-than-a-bit embarrassingly useful! Thank you for making this :D
I appreciate the chart. I tend to talk a lot, and have a lot of basic knowledge about a lot of different things. I like sharing what I know and I’m usually starved for socialization. As a result, I’ve peobably come across as mansplaining to someone at some point and I don’t want to do that to anyone. I try to surround myself with intelligent people, preferably women, so the last thing I want to do is be “that guy“. Just being conscious of not wanting to be “that guy” might not always be enough when I’m excited about a topic. So, this woman’s chart is helpful for keeping these things in mind.
I don't explain anything to anyone. If someone asks a question, and I answer correctly, that's teaching. If they want further clarification, they can find that out for themselves. I'm not being paid for it, so to hell with you.
I think the non discrimatory word is personsplaining? Or this is a different flavour of gender equality?
"men by definition are not targets to sexism" sexism is TYPICALLY against women. not DEFINATELY.
"It's gendered because the behavior is predominantly gendered." I'm glad that was explained to me...
I usually just provide this anecdote: I live in the rural south, specifically in an area where people love to shoot their guns. A few years ago, my mom (a California native, which may or may not be relevant) and her husband were chatting with one of his friends. At some point, a gun came out, some cans were shot, and the friend asked my mom if she would like to shoot. She did. A can was set up, the man handed the gun to my mom, and then, completely unprompted, proceeded to explain how to aim and shoot a gun. My mom said nothing the whole time. And when he finished, she casually aimed and fired, hitting the can. If he'd asked BEFOREHAND if she knew how to handle a gun, she probably would've explained that she'd been trained when she was in the Air Force back in the 80s.
If the person following the flowchart is a woman, or the person being 'splained to a man, what label do we give them when they arrives at the state of "mansplaining"?
We all "splain" things. The way in which we do it, however, is crucial. That's the point, to me, in the flowchart. You can remove the gendered words and it still works quite nicely, IMO.
Is she pretty? Maybe he just wants to talk to her. Take it as a compliment! But no, you can’t do that can you? Just like any man you don’t find “dreamy” asking you on a date or complimenting your appearance is sexual harassment. And if a man sits without his knees touching his is “manspreading” And asserting dominance....or something...toxic. But he’s not, guys got junk, so open legs are simply more comfortable. So maybe relaxing is better for you? Sorry, you seemed to need this explained to you.
I also have got a new made-up word: Womanplaining. It's wamen complaining about something that is not an real issue.
"And by the way men are by definition not targets of sexism." I could argue that point.
Mansplaining? Pfft small potatoes. What about the systematic and insidious culture of `Parentsplaining` when your Mum and/or Dad say `because I said so` in answer to 99% of children`s impertinent or uncomfortable questions? Now there is an Issue the SJW's should be tackling !!!
This whole thread made me really tired...good lord, I don't think I'm smart enough to go out of my house and talk to people I encounter during the day any longer. Life has gotten extremely complicated with all the rules that have popped up over the last few years. I'm starting to wonder if it's okay that I breathe the amount of times I do each minute, and if maybe I'm blinking too much. Sorry...I guess I'm just not caught up with the times...
What a crock, this is not gender specific, I go into the kitchen and my other half proceeds to assume I am clueless, if someone looks like they do not have a clue, you try to help, end of. this feminine thing got out of hand years ago, and has only got worse, we are all human, and none of us know it all or can go through life without help, and NO FLOW CHART will ever make a situation better all it does is make the dreator feel more important, but look a bit precious.
I really hate being female just because of how poorly females act towards men these days frankly I don't give to shits if this offends you... But everyone wants equal rights these days and equal rights means everyone gets treated the same..that's not what is happening in today's world. If we want equal rights we gotta start by realizing that every gender, every religion, every sexual orientation, every culture and every level of ability can get raped, can be a victim to DV, can be mentally verbally and physically abused. Can b depressed, can be anxious can be suicidal. Can be a great parent can achieve success. On the other hand they can also rape, murder, abuse, be a bad parent, can steal, can commit crimes. We as a society need to stop this b******t where you can only be capable of something because of your gender or your race etc. You can only be a victim because of your gender or your race ect. You want equal rights than start giving people equal rights and stop all this b******t about wanting equal rights and then giving people more rights or less rights then others. Stop treating people differently. Basically if your a male in today's society your just a huge a*****e and it's not right and I don't care how many people get butthurt over this, I'm entitled to my opinion.
And before you say "oh you don't know what women go theough" I was in a verbally and physically abusive relationship with a man who lied to people saying he was mentally ill and was not. He would hit me and call me named and refused to let me see my dying grandfather. He even one night tried to run me over with his car and I deciding I couldn't go on like this tried to kill myself it of course didn't work but I didn't tell the police and stayed with him til my friend help me leave. I reported it to the police and they asked him and he said he didn't and that was that. Not to mention the countless times men tried to chat me up for sex cause they thought a disabled woman is to stupid to say no and yet I still believe men are being in some cases treated lesser then woman. I know more then one time I have personally known men who were raped and abused by women but nothing got done cause "women can't rape men" and " he is his being a wuss"
Load More Replies...Thanks for womansplaining the dreaded mansplaining to us, Kim. We're forever better divided people now for it.
I "mansplain" and im a female..... I don't like how the human race is consistently pointing fingers at each other. Everything does not need a title, and in this case, feminists need to stop viewing men as if only they are a problem. You cannot specify this type of behavior to one gender and think it's okay without losing sight to what you actually believe is right. In this case, you are against condescending behavior, people interrupting, and people giving opinions when no one has asked... Don't associate all men with these characteristics... it's inaccurate and will make people view feminism as a negative cause. Women do deserve to be treated with respect, but don't bring men down to bring us up.
The thing is we women support each other so when a men talks stuff(replace it with the bad word)about us we defend our point isn't that one of the things feminism is about?supporting women?
Load More Replies...Mansplaining is a straw man fallacy feminists use to shut down a debate they're losing.
What's the matter, bunkie? Now that you're outed you're pouting?
Load More Replies...So in summary, a woman, condescendingly explaining mansplaining in a simplified manner to men. The irony is indeed strong. In other news, not a gender issue. Modern feminism is literally just dividing people along battle lines that DO NOT exist. Anyone who explains something in a condescending manner is an a*****e, this woman included.
Techincally, (according to the chart) she's not "mansplaining" because they asked. My questions is did I just "mansplain" (because you didn't ask) or are we having a discussion
Load More Replies...Well, congratulations on making yourself a Victim! Everyone wants to be a Victim these days. Off course, what she calls mansplaining is simply what men do. We do it to other men. And, good grief, women do it to men. And to other women. People are so touchy these days. Get over yourselves.
Ahhh, the always helpful and informative "everybody does it, get over it" post. Thought I was on Facebook there for a minute.
Load More Replies...You really could have saved yourself time, Kim. By your own logic, unless an explanation is asked for its “mansplaining” so why not get right to the point? You might say “I don’t say all men” but does the made up word “ mansplaining” not imply that? And if your chart really has merit, why the word “mansplaining”? Why not just condescending? You can crack in with made up words as much as you like - but where is your proof that this is a male specific trait?
I do think it is sexist to treat this as something men do to women when in reality arrogant people of both genders do it. Don't only criticize it when men do it. Secondly, the main problem with the chart is the "probably mansplaining" section. If a man doesn't know how skilled a person is or if they are at the same level, it is absolutely okay to explain something given that there is a 50% chance that she knows less about it than him and it is just polite to explain something that you aren't sure if the speaker knows how to do it. If you know how to work a computer program and then someone else comes in to work it, you don't assume that they know how to do it. That would be rude to just throw someone in to a situation which you have no idea whether they know how to do it. The important question to ask is would we criticize a woman if she did the same thing to a man? I think most people would agree that we wouldn't.
Mansplanning, The made up word to shut men up. This is even more sexist then what u claim men do. U made a chart, Well now u are guilty of womansplanning.
I have a real problem with this chart. It's only applicable if the woman has not asked the man to explain, because if she has asked for an explanation, it's ok, it's not mansplaining. In the real world, the answer to the secondary question "Do you have more relevant experience?", will almost invariably be "I am not sure" and to assume otherwise would risk being accused of condescending and/or sexist behaviour. This then only leads to an undesirable conclusion of "probably mansplaining". So, in order to avoid the risk of being accused of mansplaining, the most sensible option for the man would be to allow the woman to carry on and not offer assistance or explanation. This may often lead to undesirable consequences too, unless the man is wrong (which could well be the case) or unless everyone agrees that it is best for the woman to be able to make and then learn from her own mistakes. This could be cured by linking to the "Did you ask if she needed it to be explained" question.
I have a real problem with this chart. It's only applicable if the woman has not asked the man to explain, because if she has asked for an explanation, it's ok, it's not mansplaining. In the real world, the answer to the secondary question "Do you have more relevant experience?", will almost invariably be "I am not sure" and to assume otherwise would be at risk of being accused of condescending and/or sexist behaviour. This then only leads to an undesirable conclusion of "probably mansplaining". So, in order to avoid the risk of being accused of mansplaining, the most sensible option for the man would be to allow the woman to carry on and not offer assistance or explanation. This may often lead to undesirable consequences too, unless the man is wrong (which could well be the case) or unless everyone agrees that it is best for the woman to be able to make and then learn from her own mistakes This could be cured by linking to the "Did you ask if she needed it to be explained" question.
Mansplaining is a straw man argument feminists use to shut down a debate they're losing.
"Mansplaining" was initially a valid concept until it exploded into the mainstream. Now, just like anything else, it's been misused and abused to the point that it no longer has true definition. It's just become a go-to response for anytime someone is contradicted.
Nope. She was asked to explain. So according to her chart its definitely not mansplaining. Pay attention.
Load More Replies...Somebody has to mansplain facts to ignorant feminists otherwise they'll keep on believing and spreading their own femshit.
mansplaining is a fictional concoction of emotionally r******d 3rd wave feminazi's.
I couldn't disagree more. Why should we ask people before we explain things to them? This is precisely the habit I'm in the middle of trying to break in my kids. If someone explains something to you that you already know, and it's reasonable to do so (e.g. not a waste of your time), just listen. You might learn something new, and there's no pride in letting people know that you already knew it. Of course if someone's explaining something to you in order to insult you, sure, that's bad (though I'm not convinced it's a gendered issue, and certainly think that by all other standards, the term "mansplaining" is sexist). But if I think someone doesn't know something, IMHO it's a nice thing to try explaining it to them. Having to get consent first before we explain things is simply absurd. This is PC to the extreme, and harms civil society.
This process demands I know a lot about my co-workers! Isn't 'clueless ignorance of the knowledge and capabilities that modern women wield.' offensive? Marie Curie knew something, Emmeline Pankhurst was pretty capable.
I have such mixed feeling about society. I love a lot of the progress we made as a whole, while also hating the overly sensitive PC culture and the ironies of most equality movements that pick and choose the thing things they want equal. want to be equal? Cool, then lets be equal across the board not where its comfortable for you.
Haha ..women really have to decide: are we equal ... or not? If we are equal, there is no such thing as "usually men do this / do that - therefore we label it as *mansplaining* because women don´t do that". Personally i would call this big bs. Why? I was on parental leave for about 8 months, my wife had to rejoin her job earlier. I did everything mom´s would do, it was really a joy... but i got heavily excluded by other moms, they didn´t even wanna talk to me when i spent time at the playground with my daughter... just because i´m a man. Minutes later, other women arrived - they didn´t know each other -> complete opposite behaviour. This went on for MONTHS and wasn´t a "special experience". As a man, if you join a "field" where women are usually for themselves, u will receive an attitude like its 1950, but the roles are switched. I think feminsim was heavily needed, equal rights, same treatment - i´m all in - but this f****d up hypocrisy in feminism nowadays is unreal..
This is so ludicrously, pathetically, incurably sexist. The first sign of an a*****e is being genuinely convinced that all others are by far bigger a******s.
a woman can't be sexist towards a man. That's not how sexism works, or is defined. sex·ism /ˈsekˌsizəm/Submit noun prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination, typically against women, on the basis of sex. Our society is a patriarchal structure, giving dominance to men. As the dominant gender you can't be a victim of sexism. For now.
Load More Replies...The chart is wrong. It's not mansplaining if she did not ask for the info. Sometimes her (or his ... does this work with male colleagues too?) actions or comments lead someone to believe that there is info missing, hence the "uninvited" explanation.
Well, you can believe that there is info missing and be wrong, it's better to ask first if your belief is correct.
Load More Replies...I sat and watched as a man explained my own wife's job to her. She has a masters in her field and without knowing anything about her, he butted into her conversation and tried to tell her she was wrong and how to do things the "right" way. He has no degree in that field. So it happens. It definitely happens. Maybe ask some women in your life if they've experienced it rather than just assuming it doesn't happen?
Load More Replies...Aww you get very upset when people dare to question your fragile maleness.
Load More Replies...No. It isnt. The man asked for an explanation and the chart was the best way she could explain. If she made the chart without any of her male coworkers asking for an explanation then it would be hypocritical.
Load More Replies...It's only mansplaining if you're explaining something that someone already knows and didn't ask for advice. Not if you're just telling someone something you know.
Load More Replies...Wow, triggered much? What are you so afraid of? Lol
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