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“My Parents Are Livid Because I’m Not Allowing Them To See My Daughter After They Spanked Her”
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“My Parents Are Livid Because I’m Not Allowing Them To See My Daughter After They Spanked Her”

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When it comes to parenting, there is a clear generational divide. What parents deem appropriate differs from what is normal for grandparents. A 2018 AARP survey revealed that 77% of grandparents think parents today are too lax with their children. As a result, some may resort to parenting techniques that parents may be against.

This son disagreed with his parents about corporal punishment. After his mother spanked his 3-year-old daughter, he refused to let them see her until they admitted their mistake and apologized. But, because the rest of the family ganged up on him and called his reaction unreasonable, he asked people on the internet to weigh in.

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    One father even debated going no contact with his parents after they spanked his 3-year-old daughter

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    Spanking is illegal in more than 60 countries, including Brazil

    For ages, parents used spanking as a form of discipline and punishment. Although modern parents are perhaps less likely to do it, it’s still quite a contentious topic. Even more so when grandparents or extended family members come into the picture.

    We often think of older generations as old-fashioned; perhaps that’s why we’re more understanding of their reasoning. Many grandparents believe that spanking is an appropriate form of punishment, with 54% of American grandparents saying it is effective.

    As far as parents go, most people would probably assume that hitting children is not something many parents nowadays resort to. However, a 2021 study shows that 59% of American parents believe it’s a parent’s right to spank their child. 42% say that spanking is sometimes the best way to get a child to listen, and 35% think that spanking is necessary to teach children about proper social and moral conduct.

    However, child development experts almost unanimously disagree with these claims. Legal experts agree, as spanking children is outlawed in many countries, such as Germany, France, Sweden, Chile, South Africa, Thailand, Japan, Kenya, etc.

    That is especially worth mentioning in the context of this story, as physical punishment of any kind is illegal in Brazil. In 2014, Brazil approved the “Slap Law,” which forbids parents and guardians from spanking or hitting children or adolescents in any manner. While experts disagree on whether the law is effective, it still sends a message that physical punishment is not a viable method of discipline.

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    Spanking can only have short-term effects and only leads to behavioral problems in the future

    The reasoning behind spanking children is that it teaches them a lesson not to misbehave and to respect authority, i.e., the person who is doing the spanking. However, the expert consensus on spanking and other physical punishments is that they are not acceptable.

    And there is heaps of scientific evidence to back this up. A 2018 study, for example, observes that “all forms of corporal punishment and yelling at or shaming children, are minimally effective in the short-term and not effective in the long-term.” In fact, it has the opposite effect: spanking is linked with “negative behavioral, cognitive, psychosocial, and emotional outcomes.”

    Individuals who have been spanked as children are more likely to develop anxiety, depression, substance use disorders, and other mental health issues. In essence, spanking doesn’t teach kids much, except to fear their parents, think that hitting others is okay, and drive them toward anti-social behavior.

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    Some research even suggests that kids who were spanked tend to have lower IQs. “How often parents spanked made a difference,” Murray Straus, professor of sociology at the University of New Hampshire, said. “The more spanking, the slower the development of the child’s mental ability. But even small amounts of spanking made a difference.”

    A 2021 study by researchers at Harvard also found that children’s brains respond to spanking almost identically to how they do to more extreme forms of violence. “While we might not conceptualize corporal punishment to be a form of violence, in terms of how a child’s brain responds, it’s not all that different than [severe violence],” senior researcher of the study, Katie A. McLaughlin, explained.

    Only 6% of U.S. pediatricians have a positive attitude toward spanking. At this point, experts are sure that spanking should not be a form of discipline for children. Professionals say that parents should learn other non-violent approaches to discipline.

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    The dad elaborated more on his relationship with his parents in the comments: “They don’t know much about developing healthy relationships”

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    Most commenters sided with the father and agreed that physical punishments are off-limits

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    Others also thought the dad was to blame for leaving his child with the grandparents unsupervised

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    And some folks even sided with the grandparents: “Kids need to be spanked”

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    In an update, the father revealed what he planned to do moving forward

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    Kornelija Viečaitė

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    Hi there, fellow pandas! As a person (over)educated both in social sciences and literature, I'm most interested in how we connect and behave online (and sometimes in real life too.) The human experience is weird, so I try my best to put its peculiarities in writing. As a person who grew up chronically online, I now try to marry two sides of myself: the one who knows too much about MySpace, and the one who can't settle and needs to see every corner of the world.

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    Kornelija Viečaitė

    Kornelija Viečaitė

    Writer, BoredPanda staff

    Hi there, fellow pandas! As a person (over)educated both in social sciences and literature, I'm most interested in how we connect and behave online (and sometimes in real life too.) The human experience is weird, so I try my best to put its peculiarities in writing. As a person who grew up chronically online, I now try to marry two sides of myself: the one who knows too much about MySpace, and the one who can't settle and needs to see every corner of the world.

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    Miriam Insidecor
    Community Member
    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The YTA are showing exactly what monstrous people they are.

    WindySwede
    Community Member
    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    should be screenshotted and send to protective services of their kids/grandkids..

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    winterwidow87
    Community Member
    1 month ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    His whole family defending the grandparents is disgusting, he did the right thing by blocking all of them. The "kids need to be spanked" crowd in the replies are a bunch of child abûsers.

    tracy black
    Community Member
    1 month ago

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    i would never a***e a child or an animal but i also wasnt gonna have smart mouthed trouble making kids either they are well mannered polite productive members of society with great jobs and lots of friends if kids dont learn discipline and respect from thier parents or grandparents where are they gonna learn it school? hardly the streets ? never theres a line between spanking and a***e and some of you all need to learn it

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    murmelinpaiva
    Community Member
    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My mother broke a hairbrush while spanking me with it. This is something a person will remember for a lifetime.

    Dirk Daring
    Community Member
    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If she was anything like my mother, I'm guessing you also got in trouble for the broken hairbrush.

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    Dirk Daring
    Community Member
    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "We spanked you, and you turned out fine." NO I DID NOT. First of all, if I turned out so fine, and spanking me was supposed to teach me to obey you, then why am I still defying you by telling you that what you did was wrong?

    CaliPanda
    Community Member
    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Same here. I cannot tell you “what I learned“ from being hit by my mother, only that I resented her and didn’t want to be around her anymore. I left home as soon as I turned 18. Went NC years later when the verbal assaults continued.

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    Don't listen to me
    Community Member
    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I could just about understand disciplining a child for being very wild & naughty, but never for having a different opinion about a cartoon to watch!

    Bryn
    Community Member
    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Discipling is one thing, spanking is another.

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    KatSaidThat
    Community Member
    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As someone who got spanked and only learned fear and withdrawal, don't spank your kids. I will however say sometimes a very small smack on a hand that is about to touch a hot stove or fire can work so long as you very clearly explain the consequences of that hot stove and fire without shouting - don't be bending a kid over and spanking them.

    CK
    Community Member
    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If an adult is about to touch a hot stove, it's okay to slap their hand out of the way too if that's what it takes to protect them from being burned.

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    Pittsburgh rare
    Community Member
    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Spanking or any form of physical punishment is unacceptable. As someone who works on education, tho, your "opinionated" child should also be taught some respect to adults, like I am expected to show them respect. Encouraging critical thinking and autonomy is not the same as condoning disrespect, and way too many parents can't tell the difference.

    seagull (she/her)
    Community Member
    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    i was spanked when i was younger just moderately, but being that it was for things out of my control (undiagnosed adhd and autism), and one of my uncles would actually flick my ear really hard if i did something "wrong" while visiting my cousins. it's still left an impact - that kind of punishment leaves a mark on someone no matter the circumstances. no child should fear being struck by their OWN FAMILY if they mess up. i believe in loving (no physical harm) discipline, but ONLY. ONLY if its the PARENTS disciplining THEIR CHILD.

    Cerise Hood
    Community Member
    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If children are old enough to reason with, why are you hitting them? If they aren’t old enough to reason with, why are you hitting them?

    Tyke
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    1 month ago

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    How anyone can look at any child, let alone that young... and then smack them is beyond me.

    Nizumi
    Community Member
    1 month ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Kids need discipline, yes. But corporal punishment is never the right thing. Luckily (?), my mum had The Look. Surprisingly effective.

    Vinnie
    Community Member
    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My boss is wonderful, utterly sweet. If she frowns just a week bit, I know there's a problem and I'd better dang well fix it. In a decade, I've never heard her yell.

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    meeeeeeeeeeee
    Community Member
    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My favourite is when they would hit you because you hit someone, and hitting is wrong. The parents should spank the grandparents so they learn not to attack children.

    Sarah Ellison
    Community Member
    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The debate of spanking notwithstanding, grandparents don't have a say in how grandchildren are parented unless a***e is involved. The INSTANT OP said "we do not spank our child, this is our rule" the grandparents should have apologized and promised not to do it again. They can think what they link but they don't get to decide how to punish the child.

    Tabitha
    Community Member
    1 month ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Spanking shouldn’t happen at all, period. I’m 65, and was raised by old school parents who spanked my brothers and I. BUT the spankings were ONLY for extreme misbehavior that went on way too long, AND were basically just a pop on the b**t, over our clothing, to shock and not hurt. We were never put over anyone’s knees and shanked until our butts were red, ffs. That pop on the b**t pretty much reminded us that we were being very very bad and needed to stop before we got worse—-which never happened, btw. Still, my brothers and I have been against even the pop on the b**t first our own kids. Authoritarian parenting doesn’t work and should be relegated to the past where it belongs. Authoritative parenting, where punishments are fair, equitable, and fit the “crime”, NOT physical and OTT, is the way to go. Authoritative parenting isn’t the same as permissive (ie non-existing) parenting. Authoritarian parenting doesn’t teach good behavior, it only teaches a child how to lie, keep secrets, and cover their tracks to evade punishment. Authoritative parenting teaches good behavior in such a way that the child actually wants to behave (weird, I know, but that’s the result of being a parent who punishes fairly while explaining why it’s happening and following through by teaching better behavior—-by example).

    Bobby
    Community Member
    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Anyone who agrees with spanking, show me one peer reviewed study that shows why it isn't a***e. And if you tell me science, with repeatable experiments listed in the study to confirm, is mumbo jumbo paid for by the company that hired scientists, I'll know you aren't smart enough to have this conversation with

    M M
    Community Member
    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You know that logical arguments never win with people in general. To change your mind you first need to want to change.

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    Nikki Sevven
    Community Member
    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Your children should ALWAYS be able to feel safe with you. They won't if you hit them.

    JayWantsACat
    Community Member
    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "We did it to you and you turned out okay" is so asinine. 1) That's obviously not necessarily true and 2), maybe most telling, is OP turned out to be someone who vehemently disagrees with spanking. Should pretty obvious to most people that if you do something to your kid and turn out to be someone who is against that very thing, you've failed to make your point.

    Dragons Exist
    Community Member
    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Corporal punishment is one of those bulls‍‍‍‍hit, outdated ideas that people try and excuse for various reasons, even though people who do it are just bad people

    CK
    Community Member
    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Merely banning them from seeing the kid is the bare minimum to protect the kid from them. But since they seem to believe that spanking is the way to correct bad behavior, perhaps he should have spanked them.

    DC
    Community Member
    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA. They don't get to see her often already, due to distance ... how dumb of them is it to risk that little contact they have over something so irrelevant as choice of cartoons? This is on them, only on them and not on you. Plus, of course, physical violence is not a method of raising kids, it's a method of destroying kids. You're absolutely right in cutting them out! Some comments seem to assume it was to be expected of them ... well, yeah maybe, I can't be certain about this either way, so I can't judge. I don't think they can either.

    Earonn -
    Community Member
    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I love the reply from the woman who told the grandfather that if her 5 year old should be okay with him beating it than he should be okay with her beating him. That's the spirit!

    Kate Johnson
    Community Member
    Premium
    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    For me it's not just the fact that they spanked the child, it was that they spanked her for having her own opinion on cartoons. So in kind, if I was him, and my mother had an opinion I disagreed with, it would be okay to backhand her in the face? These are obviously low intelligence people who have been taught violence and then teach violence.

    Sheena Leversedge Wood
    Community Member
    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    right. do you hit your partner if they want to watch something else?

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    DrBronxx
    Community Member
    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Aside from being a***e, spanking has been heavily researched and bascially proven not to work. Being spanked has been linked to increased aggression, decreased social-emotional development, and mental health problems. In fact, the only positive thing you can actually say about spanking is that sometimes it has *no* effect on the child. So, at its very best, it's f*****g useless. That is, unless the P.O.S. parents are using their children to take out their own aggression. Children are not stress balls.

    Margaret Shannon
    Community Member
    1 month ago

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    I think there is more going on than the spanking itself. The grandparents were objecting to something they perceived as disrespect. And, generally speaking, when one is a guest it's polite to go along with whatever entertainment has been organized. BUT! Spanking for a nonviolent offense will tend to cause a child to stop communicating. By now, it should be clear to everyone that children need to be able to talk freely without fear of repercussions. Silence makes it easy for predators to do their thing. I *know* this.

    Lady Eowyn
    Community Member
    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My dad would hit me a few times with his hand and then say, look what you've made me do, you hurt my hand, and then grab his belt or my hairbrush. You don't forget things like that. Mom was kind of afraid of him when he was in one of his moods.

    M M
    Community Member
    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I've read somewhere that it also teaches the kid to mislead such behavior in adult life because this explanation says "I spank you because I love you". Do you think it was the case for you as well?

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    Craig Reynolds
    Community Member
    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    He was more tolerant than I would be. Father or not, I would have slapped his face so hard my handprint would be on him for a week. Downvote me all you want, but if anyone hits my kids or my pets, they will be lucky to not need an ambulance ride.

    Sally Moen
    Community Member
    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Probably a toddler that runs out into the street could get a single seat on their diaper-padded behind for scaring their parents and putting themselves in danger. But any other instances put spanking into the realm of anger at the child, which doesn't teach the child good things. Instead it's modelling how to deal with anger, and showing them how to be good little robots. There's a ton of effective discipline books out there that show how to correct a child without spanking or yelling. I'm of the age that grew up with parents who used spanking and yelling and my generation did not benefit.

    A Jones
    Community Member
    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The grandparents are in the wrong. If they were to watch your child, they have to abide by your rules and your disciplinary methods. I also agree, spanking does no good. It doesn't teach a person to be good, the only lesson from it is fear and avoidance. In a nutshell, spanking is indeed a form of bullying and not a form in discipline.

    nicholas nolan
    Community Member
    1 month ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The bottom half spanking is ok YTAs need to get f*****g clowned. Just out of nowhere. A 1990s style hockey player goes gloves off. At work, in the grocery store, wherever. Jeremy Roenick pulls the sweater over their head and goes to town.

    BK BigFish
    Community Member
    1 month ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    For each of the parents and every single relative who said YTA, the OP should offer to pull off his belt (or buy one) and beat the ever-living c**p out of them, until they learn that what they did was wrong. If it works for children, it can work for adults, too - and it's done for their own good, with good intentions - and it'll hurt OP more than it hurts them. /s

    SheamusFanFrom1987
    Community Member
    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Them YTA fuggnuts should get spanked on the face perpetually, non-stop!!! As one who got the belt, broom, bat, what have you enough times to remember, spanking is the absolute last resort. Admittedly, there were times I deserved them, but most times I was just voicing out an opinion. OP is right to distance himself and his family from those group of heavy-handed hobgoblins and let his birth-givers deal with the spawn of the smacked out on child violence crew that supported them! See if they like it when their spawn get spanked instead!!! Hopefully if they tried anything funny, OP will smack them upside their head instead!!! SMH!!!

    Karl
    Community Member
    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My older brother and I were regularly beaten by my parents over trivial things or things we were completely innocent of. This led to fear, resentment, secrecy, troubled adolescent behaviour, drinking, d**g a***e, etc. My old man's long dead but my relationship with my Ma is pretty strained as she refuses to address the subject and deflects everything on to my dad. Partly explains why both my brother and I live in a different country to her and haven't seen her in years. Go figure.

    brittany
    Community Member
    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    my mom spanked me so hard i had blood running down my leg. i learned to go no contact with her. shes going to be alone when she passes away

    Margaret Shannon
    Community Member
    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'd like to know why my comment has been concealed. I'm baffled. Ideas, anybody?

    The Other Guest
    Community Member
    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It appears to be a BP glitch. It's been happening to quite a few people recently, myself included.

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    Vinnie
    Community Member
    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I don't hold out much hope for the parents changing. Mine did. My mother was about to hit one of her grandchildren for hitting someone. She didn't, because she realized it made no sense. She also tended to respect my sister's views on discipline.

    kissmychakram
    Community Member
    1 month ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Corporal punishment should only be applied (*if* applied at all) as a very, very last resort. Hitting someone else's kids - even if you are related to them - can only ever be considered a*****t as far as I am concerned.

    The Other Guest
    Community Member
    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So why can it "only ever be considered as‍sa‍ult" to hit someone else's kid, but not you own even as a very, very last resort?

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    Crystalwitch60
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    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    To all those inhuman s c um on the vile grandparents side please don’t have kids 🤬 I was bought up by my grandparents from 8 mths old 1966 , and not once did they ever resort to beating me , which spanking essentially is ,and gran was 50 when I was born , so of the era where it was acceptable in uk, n neither her parents or in-laws ever did this either ! I in turn as an older mum never hit my kids in any way shape or form, ,and for the last decade spanking kids in uk has been banned !!rightly so IT IS CHILD A B US E ,so the daughters opinionated what off it , nothing wrong with that whatSo ever. I not give a rats a s s about different countries ways beating a kid IS WRONG END OFF .If anyone had spanked /hit my kids ,when they were 3. ICU would have been their home for the foreseeable trust me ,i ain’t all mouth either ,someone tried it once when they were a bit older , boy did they regret it , !! never came near them again n yup they were adult to , 100% NTA but his parents are !!

    Carrie de Luka
    Community Member
    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The irony is that research shows that those subjected to spanking are more prone to being aggressive. I've never liked the whole 'if someone does that they'll end up in ICU' type of response. It's either overblown hyperbole (no, the person won't do that) or a worrying level of aggression. Protecting children by thumping others is more likely to get them put in care while the parent sees out a prison sentence.

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    TheMFKNXerdo
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    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Parents are bolsonaro christians, like neymar and the traitors who attempted a coup - the people who burned the National Museum to eliminate indigenous culture, and then burned the rainforest. The YTAs are their even lesser, even less human, american equivalent.

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    Tamra
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    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That's what's wrong with the Internet today...every g0ddamned village idiot has a voice and likes to use it. I feel sorry for your children and grandchildren. Sounds like they deserved a better example.

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    Miriam Insidecor
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    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The YTA are showing exactly what monstrous people they are.

    WindySwede
    Community Member
    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    should be screenshotted and send to protective services of their kids/grandkids..

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    winterwidow87
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    1 month ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    His whole family defending the grandparents is disgusting, he did the right thing by blocking all of them. The "kids need to be spanked" crowd in the replies are a bunch of child abûsers.

    tracy black
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    i would never a***e a child or an animal but i also wasnt gonna have smart mouthed trouble making kids either they are well mannered polite productive members of society with great jobs and lots of friends if kids dont learn discipline and respect from thier parents or grandparents where are they gonna learn it school? hardly the streets ? never theres a line between spanking and a***e and some of you all need to learn it

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    murmelinpaiva
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    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My mother broke a hairbrush while spanking me with it. This is something a person will remember for a lifetime.

    Dirk Daring
    Community Member
    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If she was anything like my mother, I'm guessing you also got in trouble for the broken hairbrush.

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    Dirk Daring
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    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "We spanked you, and you turned out fine." NO I DID NOT. First of all, if I turned out so fine, and spanking me was supposed to teach me to obey you, then why am I still defying you by telling you that what you did was wrong?

    CaliPanda
    Community Member
    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Same here. I cannot tell you “what I learned“ from being hit by my mother, only that I resented her and didn’t want to be around her anymore. I left home as soon as I turned 18. Went NC years later when the verbal assaults continued.

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    Don't listen to me
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    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I could just about understand disciplining a child for being very wild & naughty, but never for having a different opinion about a cartoon to watch!

    Bryn
    Community Member
    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Discipling is one thing, spanking is another.

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    KatSaidThat
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    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As someone who got spanked and only learned fear and withdrawal, don't spank your kids. I will however say sometimes a very small smack on a hand that is about to touch a hot stove or fire can work so long as you very clearly explain the consequences of that hot stove and fire without shouting - don't be bending a kid over and spanking them.

    CK
    Community Member
    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If an adult is about to touch a hot stove, it's okay to slap their hand out of the way too if that's what it takes to protect them from being burned.

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    Pittsburgh rare
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    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Spanking or any form of physical punishment is unacceptable. As someone who works on education, tho, your "opinionated" child should also be taught some respect to adults, like I am expected to show them respect. Encouraging critical thinking and autonomy is not the same as condoning disrespect, and way too many parents can't tell the difference.

    seagull (she/her)
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    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    i was spanked when i was younger just moderately, but being that it was for things out of my control (undiagnosed adhd and autism), and one of my uncles would actually flick my ear really hard if i did something "wrong" while visiting my cousins. it's still left an impact - that kind of punishment leaves a mark on someone no matter the circumstances. no child should fear being struck by their OWN FAMILY if they mess up. i believe in loving (no physical harm) discipline, but ONLY. ONLY if its the PARENTS disciplining THEIR CHILD.

    Cerise Hood
    Community Member
    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If children are old enough to reason with, why are you hitting them? If they aren’t old enough to reason with, why are you hitting them?

    Tyke
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    1 month ago

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    How anyone can look at any child, let alone that young... and then smack them is beyond me.

    Nizumi
    Community Member
    1 month ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Kids need discipline, yes. But corporal punishment is never the right thing. Luckily (?), my mum had The Look. Surprisingly effective.

    Vinnie
    Community Member
    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My boss is wonderful, utterly sweet. If she frowns just a week bit, I know there's a problem and I'd better dang well fix it. In a decade, I've never heard her yell.

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    meeeeeeeeeeee
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    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My favourite is when they would hit you because you hit someone, and hitting is wrong. The parents should spank the grandparents so they learn not to attack children.

    Sarah Ellison
    Community Member
    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The debate of spanking notwithstanding, grandparents don't have a say in how grandchildren are parented unless a***e is involved. The INSTANT OP said "we do not spank our child, this is our rule" the grandparents should have apologized and promised not to do it again. They can think what they link but they don't get to decide how to punish the child.

    Tabitha
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    1 month ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Spanking shouldn’t happen at all, period. I’m 65, and was raised by old school parents who spanked my brothers and I. BUT the spankings were ONLY for extreme misbehavior that went on way too long, AND were basically just a pop on the b**t, over our clothing, to shock and not hurt. We were never put over anyone’s knees and shanked until our butts were red, ffs. That pop on the b**t pretty much reminded us that we were being very very bad and needed to stop before we got worse—-which never happened, btw. Still, my brothers and I have been against even the pop on the b**t first our own kids. Authoritarian parenting doesn’t work and should be relegated to the past where it belongs. Authoritative parenting, where punishments are fair, equitable, and fit the “crime”, NOT physical and OTT, is the way to go. Authoritative parenting isn’t the same as permissive (ie non-existing) parenting. Authoritarian parenting doesn’t teach good behavior, it only teaches a child how to lie, keep secrets, and cover their tracks to evade punishment. Authoritative parenting teaches good behavior in such a way that the child actually wants to behave (weird, I know, but that’s the result of being a parent who punishes fairly while explaining why it’s happening and following through by teaching better behavior—-by example).

    Bobby
    Community Member
    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Anyone who agrees with spanking, show me one peer reviewed study that shows why it isn't a***e. And if you tell me science, with repeatable experiments listed in the study to confirm, is mumbo jumbo paid for by the company that hired scientists, I'll know you aren't smart enough to have this conversation with

    M M
    Community Member
    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You know that logical arguments never win with people in general. To change your mind you first need to want to change.

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    Nikki Sevven
    Community Member
    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Your children should ALWAYS be able to feel safe with you. They won't if you hit them.

    JayWantsACat
    Community Member
    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "We did it to you and you turned out okay" is so asinine. 1) That's obviously not necessarily true and 2), maybe most telling, is OP turned out to be someone who vehemently disagrees with spanking. Should pretty obvious to most people that if you do something to your kid and turn out to be someone who is against that very thing, you've failed to make your point.

    Dragons Exist
    Community Member
    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Corporal punishment is one of those bulls‍‍‍‍hit, outdated ideas that people try and excuse for various reasons, even though people who do it are just bad people

    CK
    Community Member
    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Merely banning them from seeing the kid is the bare minimum to protect the kid from them. But since they seem to believe that spanking is the way to correct bad behavior, perhaps he should have spanked them.

    DC
    Community Member
    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA. They don't get to see her often already, due to distance ... how dumb of them is it to risk that little contact they have over something so irrelevant as choice of cartoons? This is on them, only on them and not on you. Plus, of course, physical violence is not a method of raising kids, it's a method of destroying kids. You're absolutely right in cutting them out! Some comments seem to assume it was to be expected of them ... well, yeah maybe, I can't be certain about this either way, so I can't judge. I don't think they can either.

    Earonn -
    Community Member
    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I love the reply from the woman who told the grandfather that if her 5 year old should be okay with him beating it than he should be okay with her beating him. That's the spirit!

    Kate Johnson
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    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    For me it's not just the fact that they spanked the child, it was that they spanked her for having her own opinion on cartoons. So in kind, if I was him, and my mother had an opinion I disagreed with, it would be okay to backhand her in the face? These are obviously low intelligence people who have been taught violence and then teach violence.

    Sheena Leversedge Wood
    Community Member
    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    right. do you hit your partner if they want to watch something else?

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    DrBronxx
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    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Aside from being a***e, spanking has been heavily researched and bascially proven not to work. Being spanked has been linked to increased aggression, decreased social-emotional development, and mental health problems. In fact, the only positive thing you can actually say about spanking is that sometimes it has *no* effect on the child. So, at its very best, it's f*****g useless. That is, unless the P.O.S. parents are using their children to take out their own aggression. Children are not stress balls.

    Margaret Shannon
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    1 month ago

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    I think there is more going on than the spanking itself. The grandparents were objecting to something they perceived as disrespect. And, generally speaking, when one is a guest it's polite to go along with whatever entertainment has been organized. BUT! Spanking for a nonviolent offense will tend to cause a child to stop communicating. By now, it should be clear to everyone that children need to be able to talk freely without fear of repercussions. Silence makes it easy for predators to do their thing. I *know* this.

    Lady Eowyn
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    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My dad would hit me a few times with his hand and then say, look what you've made me do, you hurt my hand, and then grab his belt or my hairbrush. You don't forget things like that. Mom was kind of afraid of him when he was in one of his moods.

    M M
    Community Member
    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I've read somewhere that it also teaches the kid to mislead such behavior in adult life because this explanation says "I spank you because I love you". Do you think it was the case for you as well?

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    Craig Reynolds
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    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    He was more tolerant than I would be. Father or not, I would have slapped his face so hard my handprint would be on him for a week. Downvote me all you want, but if anyone hits my kids or my pets, they will be lucky to not need an ambulance ride.

    Sally Moen
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    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Probably a toddler that runs out into the street could get a single seat on their diaper-padded behind for scaring their parents and putting themselves in danger. But any other instances put spanking into the realm of anger at the child, which doesn't teach the child good things. Instead it's modelling how to deal with anger, and showing them how to be good little robots. There's a ton of effective discipline books out there that show how to correct a child without spanking or yelling. I'm of the age that grew up with parents who used spanking and yelling and my generation did not benefit.

    A Jones
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    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The grandparents are in the wrong. If they were to watch your child, they have to abide by your rules and your disciplinary methods. I also agree, spanking does no good. It doesn't teach a person to be good, the only lesson from it is fear and avoidance. In a nutshell, spanking is indeed a form of bullying and not a form in discipline.

    nicholas nolan
    Community Member
    1 month ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The bottom half spanking is ok YTAs need to get f*****g clowned. Just out of nowhere. A 1990s style hockey player goes gloves off. At work, in the grocery store, wherever. Jeremy Roenick pulls the sweater over their head and goes to town.

    BK BigFish
    Community Member
    1 month ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    For each of the parents and every single relative who said YTA, the OP should offer to pull off his belt (or buy one) and beat the ever-living c**p out of them, until they learn that what they did was wrong. If it works for children, it can work for adults, too - and it's done for their own good, with good intentions - and it'll hurt OP more than it hurts them. /s

    SheamusFanFrom1987
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    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Them YTA fuggnuts should get spanked on the face perpetually, non-stop!!! As one who got the belt, broom, bat, what have you enough times to remember, spanking is the absolute last resort. Admittedly, there were times I deserved them, but most times I was just voicing out an opinion. OP is right to distance himself and his family from those group of heavy-handed hobgoblins and let his birth-givers deal with the spawn of the smacked out on child violence crew that supported them! See if they like it when their spawn get spanked instead!!! Hopefully if they tried anything funny, OP will smack them upside their head instead!!! SMH!!!

    Karl
    Community Member
    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My older brother and I were regularly beaten by my parents over trivial things or things we were completely innocent of. This led to fear, resentment, secrecy, troubled adolescent behaviour, drinking, d**g a***e, etc. My old man's long dead but my relationship with my Ma is pretty strained as she refuses to address the subject and deflects everything on to my dad. Partly explains why both my brother and I live in a different country to her and haven't seen her in years. Go figure.

    brittany
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    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    my mom spanked me so hard i had blood running down my leg. i learned to go no contact with her. shes going to be alone when she passes away

    Margaret Shannon
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    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'd like to know why my comment has been concealed. I'm baffled. Ideas, anybody?

    The Other Guest
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    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It appears to be a BP glitch. It's been happening to quite a few people recently, myself included.

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    Vinnie
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    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I don't hold out much hope for the parents changing. Mine did. My mother was about to hit one of her grandchildren for hitting someone. She didn't, because she realized it made no sense. She also tended to respect my sister's views on discipline.

    kissmychakram
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    1 month ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Corporal punishment should only be applied (*if* applied at all) as a very, very last resort. Hitting someone else's kids - even if you are related to them - can only ever be considered a*****t as far as I am concerned.

    The Other Guest
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    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So why can it "only ever be considered as‍sa‍ult" to hit someone else's kid, but not you own even as a very, very last resort?

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    Crystalwitch60
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    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    To all those inhuman s c um on the vile grandparents side please don’t have kids 🤬 I was bought up by my grandparents from 8 mths old 1966 , and not once did they ever resort to beating me , which spanking essentially is ,and gran was 50 when I was born , so of the era where it was acceptable in uk, n neither her parents or in-laws ever did this either ! I in turn as an older mum never hit my kids in any way shape or form, ,and for the last decade spanking kids in uk has been banned !!rightly so IT IS CHILD A B US E ,so the daughters opinionated what off it , nothing wrong with that whatSo ever. I not give a rats a s s about different countries ways beating a kid IS WRONG END OFF .If anyone had spanked /hit my kids ,when they were 3. ICU would have been their home for the foreseeable trust me ,i ain’t all mouth either ,someone tried it once when they were a bit older , boy did they regret it , !! never came near them again n yup they were adult to , 100% NTA but his parents are !!

    Carrie de Luka
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    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The irony is that research shows that those subjected to spanking are more prone to being aggressive. I've never liked the whole 'if someone does that they'll end up in ICU' type of response. It's either overblown hyperbole (no, the person won't do that) or a worrying level of aggression. Protecting children by thumping others is more likely to get them put in care while the parent sees out a prison sentence.

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    TheMFKNXerdo
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    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Parents are bolsonaro christians, like neymar and the traitors who attempted a coup - the people who burned the National Museum to eliminate indigenous culture, and then burned the rainforest. The YTAs are their even lesser, even less human, american equivalent.

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    Tamra
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    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That's what's wrong with the Internet today...every g0ddamned village idiot has a voice and likes to use it. I feel sorry for your children and grandchildren. Sounds like they deserved a better example.

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