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Guy Laughs At 30 Y.O. Woman’s Unrealistic Expectation Of Rejected Guys Winning Her Heart Over Slowly
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Guy Laughs At 30 Y.O. Woman’s Unrealistic Expectation Of Rejected Guys Winning Her Heart Over Slowly

Interview With Expert Guy Laughs At 30 Y.O. Woman’s Unrealistic Expectation Of Rejected Guys Winning Her Heart Over SlowlyGuy Laughs At A 30-Year-Old Woman's Irrational Hopes Of Rejected Guys Slowly Winning Her HeartMan Finds Wife’s Friend’s Wish To Be Just Friends Before Starting Dating Funny, She’s Offended Man Gets Called A Jerk for Laughing At His Wife's Friend's Logic About Dating And FriendshipsMan Laughs At Wife’s Friend’s Wish To Be Friends Before Starting Dating, Can’t Hold Off LaughingMan Chuckles At His Wife's Friend's Logic About Dating And Friendships, Gets Called A Jerk Woman Expects Rejected Guys To Still Want To Win Her Heart By Becoming Friends, Gets Laughed AtGuy Laughs At 30 Y.O. Woman’s Unrealistic Expectation Of Rejected Guys Winning Her Heart Over SlowlyGuy Laughs At 30 Y.O. Woman’s Unrealistic Expectation Of Rejected Guys Winning Her Heart Over SlowlyGuy Laughs At 30 Y.O. Woman’s Unrealistic Expectation Of Rejected Guys Winning Her Heart Over Slowly
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I think most of you have heard people saying that dating is exhausting and complicated. Yes, falling in love, feeling over the moon, is one of the best feelings; however, constantly going on first dates not knowing what to expect and hearing the same questions over and over again might not be the best thing ever.

There are probably many opinions on differences between dating in your 20s and 30s, where some may say that nothing changes and others see quite a lot of differences – for example, one Reddit user recently had quite a discussion where he explained that men in their 30s don’t want to be just friends with women.

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It’s romantic to think of somebody trying to win you, though sometimes expecting that to happen may lead to quite a disappointment

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A woman was surprised that men she rejects don’t want to be friends with her, causing a discussion as this man explained that people in their 30s have less time for that

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She continued that if men she rejected wanted to win her heart, they should stay friends, despite the man’s explanation that no men in their 30s would want to play that game

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The discussion ended with the man being called a jerk

Recently one Reddit user shared his story asking community members if he was being a jerk for explaining to his wife’s friend what he considers ‘sound and basic logic’ about dating when you are in your 30s. The post caught a lot of folks’ attention, collecting 20K upvotes, 3.5K comments and starting quite a discussion online.

The original poster (OP) starts his story by explaining that he overheard his wife and her friend (who are both in their 30s) talking about her friend’s dating and her logic, to which he let out a chuckle. He explained to her that she shouldn’t be surprised that the men she rejects don’t want to be friends as they don’t have time for that.

She didn’t take this well and continued telling him that if the men she rejected really wanted to be together, they should stay friends and just win her slowly over time; however, the man quickly stopped her fantasy and explained that nobody wants to play that game and no man owes it to her to stay around and be ‘just friends’.

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Most of the community members stood on the guys’ side, agreeing that no man wants to be friendzoned and the woman’s game is gross. “She wants guys around her that want her because it makes her feel good, but she has not a thought or concern about them and how that would affect them,” one user wrote. “NTA. She needs to come back to reality,” another added.

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Bored Panda got in touch with Susan Winter, an internationally recognized relationship expert and bestselling author. She kindly agreed to share her thoughts regarding OP’s wife’s friend’s logic, shifts in priorities between dating in one’s 20s versus 30s and if there are any trends or changes in dating tendencies among people. 

“It is not advisable to accept a friend zone if you want to be a romantic partner,” Susan started. She emphasized that it’s a ‘long game’ that causes anxiety and emotional trauma to the person seeking more than just friendship. “It is rarely the case that a positive outcome occurs for the lover in waiting.”

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Speaking about changes in priorities as we age, the relationship expert noted that to some degree, the OP was correct. “20s-30s is not a specific tipping point. However, it is true that as we mature throughout life, we begin to understand which associations feel rewarding and which do not.”

And finally, Susan pointed out that acquiring and maintaining a romantic relationship has become far more difficult than in past generations. It is also well noted that younger generations have difficulty with real-life communications. “The courtship dance feels foreign to younger generations, on both sides of the coin, so this attributes to much of the hesitancy, and striving for a safe position (friendship) at the periphery of their crush.

Everyone has a different points of view on dating, what we expect for a person and what kind of relationship we seek, but what do you think about this exact discussion? Do you agree with the OP or his wife’s friend? Share your thoughts below!

Redditors shared their take on this situation but most of them agreed with the man

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Austėja Bliujūtė

Austėja Bliujūtė

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Hey there! I'm Austeja, a writer with a knack for capturing everything from family dramas to the latest meme trends at Bored Panda. Armed with a Bachelor's degree in business management, I blend expertise with creativity to deliver engaging articles. I love spicing up my pieces with insights from experts in the industry, ensuring the readers get interesting information. When I'm not typing away, you can find me jet-setting to sunny destinations, hunting for the perfect palm-fringed oasis, enjoying leisurely brunches with friends or binging various TV shows!

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Marno C.
Community Member
7 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

We have spent YEARS expressing very clearly that "No means No" and Don't Hang Around Pretending to Be a 'Nice Guy' When Your Intentions Are Dating Not Actual Friendship. This woman is undermining all of that very clear communication with game playing.

Jeevesssssss
Community Member
7 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

THANK YOU for saying what I meant more clearly and concisely than I could!

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Ace
Community Member
7 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Sounds like she's limiting her future prospects to stalkers only.

FreeTheUnicorn
Community Member
7 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If you want friendship, and then see if it becomes something more, or if you want really slowly progressing romance, be upfront about it. Most won't be on that page but some will. Don't deceive people and waste their time. Only trash people are dishonest about what they want in a relationship.

Susan Winter
Community Member
7 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Friendzone is a really painful place to be when you have romantic feelings for someone (and they are not reciprocated) It activates hope. And that sets off a toxic loop of failed attempts to earn their attraction. There are 2 baskets: yes, and no. Rarely does the 'no' morph to a 'yes.' And thanks Austeja for the interview! Love your writing.

Jeevesssssss
Community Member
7 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This creeps me the f**k out. Why TF would any woman WANT a male friend who's basically just being your friend in the hope of hooking up with you at some point??

Papa
Community Member
7 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Maybe she's insecure, and it makes her feel better having a guy hanging around in the hopes she'll change her mind? Or maybe she's just seen too many Hallmark movies.

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Sarah Kathrin Matsoukis
Community Member
7 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I can only be friends after being friendzoned if there was already friendship prior, it sucks but I respect it.

doredde
Community Member
7 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That is just as stupid as men saying "When she says No she means Yes".

moggie63
Community Member
7 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This would be fine if she was 13 and still making friends. In her 30s? She's clearly an idiot.

Edward Finger Hands
Community Member
7 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This needs more information. Sounds very one sided. If the friend is just wanting to be friends first with someone before dating, that’s a logical way to assess compatibility and, in my experience, my best relationships have come from friendships first. And if she’s just looking to establish some sort of emotional connection before jumping into romance, that’s also logical. Too many people end up in poorly matched relationships because they let their hormones and unhealed wounds run the show instead of steadily getting to know if someone is actually a compatible partner. If she’s playing games, that’s another thing. It’s also a huge red flag if a man thinks men and women can’t have platonic friendships, tells me that they only value relationships with women if they’re of a sexual nature.

MiriPanda
Community Member
7 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think she's playing games. Being friends with someone and that friendship turning into a relationship - best possible scenario for a successful partnership. But men in their 30s asking her out on a date are most likely looking for a partnership, not everyone is just looking for sex. She rejecting them but expecting them to stick around trying to win her over sounds like princess mode. Men that age who want a serious relationship and perhaps family (or really just a f**k buddy of course) will naturally not stick around. That doesn't mean men and women can't be platonic friends.

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CatWoman1014
Community Member
7 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

On the bright side he won’t have to worry about attending her wedding anytime soon or ever if she keeps this childish logic

Bart
Community Member
7 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Some people really do believe the other party should be willing to put heaps of energy in the chance of having a relationship with them while they are in fact, not willing to do the same... Good luck with that...

FreeTheUnicorn
Community Member
7 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The advantage to dating sites, is that everyone can be clear immediately about what they are looking for and what they are offering. You can know before or during the first conversation. If you're on a site and people are looking for Long term romantic partners and you say you are looking for that too, big red flag to expect someone to not be as good as their word, and big red flag to not be as good as yours.

millac
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I understand her wanting to be wooed and seen as worth the effort of expending effort, but it's unrealistic to expect that after a clear and blunt rejection. She'd probably get closer to what she wanted if she told a guy asking her out that she doesn't feel it (yet) but she's willing to give things a chance, so they get a trial period of a few dates/couple weeks to see if it can work.

Melissa Harris
Community Member
7 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So she wants a stalker not a boyfriend. She's going to end up in a bad relationship with some unstable guy that just won't leave her alone. Be careful what you wish for.

JayWantsACat
Community Member
7 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

No, "no means no" and "me too" aren't making men "too scared to be persistent". They're making a******s, creeps, and idiots like that commenter scared. If anyone says "no" to you, you obviously wouldn't keep persisting in most circumstances. So anyone who's "scared" to do so is just self-reporting yourself as a creep who won't take 'no' for an answer. The same with "me too". If you're not doing anything untoward, why would you be "scared" of "me too"? The people who whine about these things are the reason why these things exist in the fisrt place.

Chelsea McKee
Community Member
7 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think there are many times where male and female relationships cross into the platonic region. Not everyone, at that point, is so single minded they wouldn't be accepting of a base friendship. It would really depend on where the relationship was, because somebody you're dating could very well be the person you wake up to everyday and if you're not friends with them on some level you're going to be very uncomfortable. Maybe that's why she rejected him, because he wanted one specific type of relationship and she was open to a few. However I will say because this is specifically regarding the action of "winning her heart" I will raise a red flag. Remaining friends is one thing, but wanting them to invest time and energy into you romantically after a rejection is a bit absurd.

Deborah B
Community Member
7 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This lady needs to be honest. No is supposed to mean no, and diluting that gets women harassed by men who take "no" as playing hard-to-get. If you want them to work for it, be honest. Try "I think I might be interested in you, but I need time to get to know someone before I know if I want to date them. If you are willing for us to see eachother platonicly for a few months, then reassess, I'd be interested in trying that." Some guys might be a yes, some will be a no, and everyone will know where they stand.

Glasofruix
Community Member
7 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Some women seem to like playing mind games, the same women also expect men to be mind readers... Be clear in what you expect ffs. Reminds me of a story i've read: A woman and her friend go to a bar, she meets a man there who's a soldier about to be deployed. He makes his intentions clear and she decides she would sleep with him, BUT, as she puts it "he has to work for it" and plays hard to get. After seeing his efforts going nowhere he switches to her friend who seemed to be more receptive. Except the friend in question likes to play games too.She pretends to be interested, leads the men on, then blueballs them at the end of the evening. At the end of it the dude is the bad guy, because if he was "more insistent" instead of focusing on the obvious tease he would've gotten lucky. HOW TF was he supposed to know that?

Richienotsorich
Community Member
7 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What she wants is lots of men vying for her attention so she can pick the one. The guy's right, shes got very little to offer as a friend to these men so they'll move on.

ADZ
Community Member
7 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My God I would hate to try dating in this day and age.

Dirk Daring
Community Member
7 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That explanation is a million times more mature than, "She put me in the friend zone."

Bored something
Community Member
7 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She needs to add something about potential matches being a Hallmark fan to her dating biography.

Marno C.
Community Member
7 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

We have spent YEARS expressing very clearly that "No means No" and Don't Hang Around Pretending to Be a 'Nice Guy' When Your Intentions Are Dating Not Actual Friendship. This woman is undermining all of that very clear communication with game playing.

Jeevesssssss
Community Member
7 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

THANK YOU for saying what I meant more clearly and concisely than I could!

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Ace
Community Member
7 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Sounds like she's limiting her future prospects to stalkers only.

FreeTheUnicorn
Community Member
7 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If you want friendship, and then see if it becomes something more, or if you want really slowly progressing romance, be upfront about it. Most won't be on that page but some will. Don't deceive people and waste their time. Only trash people are dishonest about what they want in a relationship.

Susan Winter
Community Member
7 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Friendzone is a really painful place to be when you have romantic feelings for someone (and they are not reciprocated) It activates hope. And that sets off a toxic loop of failed attempts to earn their attraction. There are 2 baskets: yes, and no. Rarely does the 'no' morph to a 'yes.' And thanks Austeja for the interview! Love your writing.

Jeevesssssss
Community Member
7 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This creeps me the f**k out. Why TF would any woman WANT a male friend who's basically just being your friend in the hope of hooking up with you at some point??

Papa
Community Member
7 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Maybe she's insecure, and it makes her feel better having a guy hanging around in the hopes she'll change her mind? Or maybe she's just seen too many Hallmark movies.

Load More Replies...
Sarah Kathrin Matsoukis
Community Member
7 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I can only be friends after being friendzoned if there was already friendship prior, it sucks but I respect it.

doredde
Community Member
7 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That is just as stupid as men saying "When she says No she means Yes".

moggie63
Community Member
7 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This would be fine if she was 13 and still making friends. In her 30s? She's clearly an idiot.

Edward Finger Hands
Community Member
7 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This needs more information. Sounds very one sided. If the friend is just wanting to be friends first with someone before dating, that’s a logical way to assess compatibility and, in my experience, my best relationships have come from friendships first. And if she’s just looking to establish some sort of emotional connection before jumping into romance, that’s also logical. Too many people end up in poorly matched relationships because they let their hormones and unhealed wounds run the show instead of steadily getting to know if someone is actually a compatible partner. If she’s playing games, that’s another thing. It’s also a huge red flag if a man thinks men and women can’t have platonic friendships, tells me that they only value relationships with women if they’re of a sexual nature.

MiriPanda
Community Member
7 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think she's playing games. Being friends with someone and that friendship turning into a relationship - best possible scenario for a successful partnership. But men in their 30s asking her out on a date are most likely looking for a partnership, not everyone is just looking for sex. She rejecting them but expecting them to stick around trying to win her over sounds like princess mode. Men that age who want a serious relationship and perhaps family (or really just a f**k buddy of course) will naturally not stick around. That doesn't mean men and women can't be platonic friends.

Load More Replies...
CatWoman1014
Community Member
7 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

On the bright side he won’t have to worry about attending her wedding anytime soon or ever if she keeps this childish logic

Bart
Community Member
7 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Some people really do believe the other party should be willing to put heaps of energy in the chance of having a relationship with them while they are in fact, not willing to do the same... Good luck with that...

FreeTheUnicorn
Community Member
7 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The advantage to dating sites, is that everyone can be clear immediately about what they are looking for and what they are offering. You can know before or during the first conversation. If you're on a site and people are looking for Long term romantic partners and you say you are looking for that too, big red flag to expect someone to not be as good as their word, and big red flag to not be as good as yours.

millac
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I understand her wanting to be wooed and seen as worth the effort of expending effort, but it's unrealistic to expect that after a clear and blunt rejection. She'd probably get closer to what she wanted if she told a guy asking her out that she doesn't feel it (yet) but she's willing to give things a chance, so they get a trial period of a few dates/couple weeks to see if it can work.

Melissa Harris
Community Member
7 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So she wants a stalker not a boyfriend. She's going to end up in a bad relationship with some unstable guy that just won't leave her alone. Be careful what you wish for.

JayWantsACat
Community Member
7 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

No, "no means no" and "me too" aren't making men "too scared to be persistent". They're making a******s, creeps, and idiots like that commenter scared. If anyone says "no" to you, you obviously wouldn't keep persisting in most circumstances. So anyone who's "scared" to do so is just self-reporting yourself as a creep who won't take 'no' for an answer. The same with "me too". If you're not doing anything untoward, why would you be "scared" of "me too"? The people who whine about these things are the reason why these things exist in the fisrt place.

Chelsea McKee
Community Member
7 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think there are many times where male and female relationships cross into the platonic region. Not everyone, at that point, is so single minded they wouldn't be accepting of a base friendship. It would really depend on where the relationship was, because somebody you're dating could very well be the person you wake up to everyday and if you're not friends with them on some level you're going to be very uncomfortable. Maybe that's why she rejected him, because he wanted one specific type of relationship and she was open to a few. However I will say because this is specifically regarding the action of "winning her heart" I will raise a red flag. Remaining friends is one thing, but wanting them to invest time and energy into you romantically after a rejection is a bit absurd.

Deborah B
Community Member
7 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This lady needs to be honest. No is supposed to mean no, and diluting that gets women harassed by men who take "no" as playing hard-to-get. If you want them to work for it, be honest. Try "I think I might be interested in you, but I need time to get to know someone before I know if I want to date them. If you are willing for us to see eachother platonicly for a few months, then reassess, I'd be interested in trying that." Some guys might be a yes, some will be a no, and everyone will know where they stand.

Glasofruix
Community Member
7 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Some women seem to like playing mind games, the same women also expect men to be mind readers... Be clear in what you expect ffs. Reminds me of a story i've read: A woman and her friend go to a bar, she meets a man there who's a soldier about to be deployed. He makes his intentions clear and she decides she would sleep with him, BUT, as she puts it "he has to work for it" and plays hard to get. After seeing his efforts going nowhere he switches to her friend who seemed to be more receptive. Except the friend in question likes to play games too.She pretends to be interested, leads the men on, then blueballs them at the end of the evening. At the end of it the dude is the bad guy, because if he was "more insistent" instead of focusing on the obvious tease he would've gotten lucky. HOW TF was he supposed to know that?

Richienotsorich
Community Member
7 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What she wants is lots of men vying for her attention so she can pick the one. The guy's right, shes got very little to offer as a friend to these men so they'll move on.

ADZ
Community Member
7 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My God I would hate to try dating in this day and age.

Dirk Daring
Community Member
7 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That explanation is a million times more mature than, "She put me in the friend zone."

Bored something
Community Member
7 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She needs to add something about potential matches being a Hallmark fan to her dating biography.

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