Grim Reapers Join Protesting “Karens” Who Want To Send Their Kids Back To School

There's a fair bit of evidence that kids *are* less affected--but there's a big difference between "less affected" and "not affected." If you put 50+ million schoolkids back into in-person school, that's still going to add up to a lot of cases, some of which are going to be serious.

And the other thing is that the countries that *have* successfully reopened their school systems have A) broad consensus about necessary public health measures, like masks and social distancing, B) sufficient testing and contact-tracing capacity, C) adequate supplies of PPE and cleaning products, and/or D) systems for prioritizing schools when it comes to allocating B and C. The US has zero of those things, and no plan whatsoever for developing them on a nationwide level--instead, states and localities are trying to cobble them together on their own. Nobody else has tried reopening schools under conditions like that.

What I'm noticing in Dutch communications from our RIVM (comparable to the CDC), is that they cherry pick what they want to be proven or not. Children not transferring the disease is one of them. It has not been proven to be true or false, still we go with it has to be true (when it seems very unlikely considering how most viruses go round in schools) and also the effects of face masks on containing the virus hasn't been proven true or false, but the RIVM doesn't want them (even though all the signs show they might be useful if used on a large scale and we do use them in public transport and mayors are now allowed to put the measure into place in certain area's). It feels like they want to err on the wrong side, when we are clearly dealing with something where every error guarantees more very sick people and deaths. I just don't get it.

@lara What I'm saying is that actual live is not as black and white as always closed or back to exactly the way we were. And it seems odd that our governments don't seem to get that fact.

........ and mothers of those children don't care.

@lara, every day is a live experiment, it's about what you know and don't know and the intentions that lie beneath. We have a lot of lead in our piping system, but when it was found out it was there, responsibilty was taken to remove it as good as possible. Now with viruses, we know how they go around in germ factories like schools and it seems unlikely schools will not play a mayor role in transmitting the virus through populations based on current knowledge. Even if we are wrong, this is what we're dealing with. But. We seem to be ignoring what we know and just go ahead on basing actions on very unlikely information. And I'm not saying you have to keep schools closed indefinitely, but I am saying you have to think about how you're doing this. Maybe attend classes half of the time in smaller groups (and use online solutions for the rest of the week). That way you can keep an eye out for the children that are in unhealthy home situations and you provide some relieve for working parent

Stille20, what an excellent point.

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This may come as a shock to you, but they do that all the time. Our children are experimented on constantly, from food, to schools, to what they are allowed to do and what YOU are allowed to do.

There is also the risk of them having a "light" form of covid but infecting someone that is not going to have the same luck, including you.... being an orphan or living with the guilt of the survivor doesn't sound good either.

Not everyone CAN homeschool though! Online is a s****y option for a normal kid!

Here you go. 42 Americans under the age of 14 have died from COVID-19 so far: https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Death-Counts-by-Sex-Age-and-S/9bhg-hcku

Genuine knowledge requires more than just "hearing" about something. Do your research, including the reliability of your sources, and don't just settle for what sounds comforting or "right"

Apologies, I was unnecessarily snippy in my comment to you.

Read some more!

Karin Jansen yes

Thanks for the source Kobayashi! As for the rest: hateful much? I did try to find more on this as in my country zero children were effected and this was an honest question.

Do you know how to read, Karin Jansen?

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Oh, you really shouldn't have asked that. You are just supposed to assume the position and do what the Nancys tell you to do. How DARE you think for yourself, that is now a criminal insult to all Nancys/

Did you not read my entire paragraph before deciding to go off? I said there's no way to keep schools clean, and I said them being behind is better than covid spreading further. That still doesn't erase the fact that many kids are going to fall much further behind than others their age. You can't just do a broad sweep and hold everyone back a year, that's not fair to the kids that do well on lockdown. Try telling a teenager they have to do another year of high school even though they passed everything just because some of their peers couldn't do as well due to home life factors. Perhaps it's a case for internet becoming a utility so that more people can have access. That'd be a good start. At any rate, we are in agreement that they shouldn't be back at school, but don't act like it's such a simple thing when some kids have much more access to help at home than others do.

Down-voting Louloubelle's comment ?

It is just exhausting to be a Karen right now (I am ).

Karin is a German variant, not the wrong way to spell it. By the way I disagree with Karin also.

I agree with you except for one thing, spelling Karin with an I is not the wrong way to spell it, that is the way it is spelled in Scandinavian countries.

I think the Dutch are very stubborn, I think that's why they don't let us wear facemasks in public. But it works for us, we have something that's called an intelligent lockdown, so stay home when you're sick and get tested. Don't shake hands, sneeze/cough in your elbow, wash your hands with soap, that kind of stuff. We own a workshop and we don't let people inside unless there's a good reason. In the beginning of lockdown we didn't work at the same days as the others. Our government listens to their scientists before making decisions.

*I mean, I am inclined to think Dutch people DON'T have the same attitude*

It's great that you have the luxury to work part time. Saying you would rather have less money, suggests you have enough money to get by. There are more than 38 million people below the poverty line in this country and they are not the only ones living paycheck to paycheck. But by all means, eat the groceries that they provided for you and tell them they are horrible people.

My plan would be to stay home and try to recover if we get it as most our age have that contacted it. Unfortunately the state/government will help much more if you do end up with COVID than if you don't. Are you suggesting we sell our house, give up our way of life, quit our jobs, and move our children for a possibility of getting COVID? We are younger and have a higher chance of recovering than most. Going to part time is not realistic for our bills and way of life. I commend everyone that is able to but it is just not realistic for my family and many Americans like us. Trust me, I wish I could be home everyday with my kids. Even if you do ALL precautions, you still have a chance of contracting COVID. I was home with my kids for about 2 months while the state was on lock down but as soon as the lock down was lifted, I had a choice to go back to work or forfeit my job. How is it fair for the state to put us in that scenario!? My husband had off 1 week of his job through all of this and

STILL has not gotten paid from unemployment since April. How do you suggest we would even live if the state/government can't even get it together enough to pay unemployment?

I think that those 38 million people who are barely keeping their heads above water now, living paycheck to paycheck, are going to really not like the reality of trying to work while semi disabled from long term COVID. Or trying to live on one inadequate income because the other wage earner is now dead and left a huge medical bill behind. And yes, this sucks and it's awful and it should not be happening in an allegedly civilized country. That goes without saying. If there was some sort of meaningful political movement that was working on raising wages or improving working conditions, I'd be in it.