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I Took Portraits Of 17 Women Who Had Abortions To Show It Has Many Faces And Many Reasons
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As the #youknowme movement takes off, I'm reminded of my project that I created with Jennifer Baumgardner more than ten years ago, about women activists who had abortions. This photo series is still relevant today as many find abortion a taboo subject, and won't talk about their experiences.
I wanted the series to be straightforward so that the simplicity of the women's portraits would standout. This is not a faceless issue. I wanted the viewer to see these women's incredible stories behind the t-shirt. Among the portraits is one of my own mother. The goal is to spark discussion and debate, and not just between people that already hold similar views. This is an issue that is a part of us all. And by speaking up, and telling our stories, we make abortion a less confrontational topic in American society.
Please share your stories and let's start talking.
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Florence Rice
Florence Rice, 86 (at the time the photo was taken), was raised in the foster care system in NYC. She saw her mother only a handful of times throughout her childhood. When she got pregnant as a young single woman in the 1930’s she decided to have the baby. A few years later as a working single mother, she found herself pregnant again and knew that she didn’t want to be like her mother, unable to take care of the child, so she had an abortion. She got a serious infection afterwards from her illegal, unclean abortion. In 1969 when feminists began speaking out about their abortions, Florence was one of the first to do so. Her story underscored a class divide: richer women got safer abortions, poorer women were more likely to end up at a butcher.
Liberty Aldrich And Joe Saunders
Liberty Aldrich and Joe Saunders with their sons. Liberty and Joe had an abortion together early in their relationship, stayed together and eventually had two sons when their lives were better equipped to have children.
Makes perfect sense. Not every abortion is a scary story about an abusive relationship or strict family or medical emergency. Sometimes you’re just not ready, and will get to it later.
Jenny Egan
Jenny Egan, 25 (at the time the photo was taken), was raised in a rural Oregan town in a Morman family. When she was 16 she got pregnant by her boyfriend from sex that was not totally consensual. After the abortion, which she had without telling her family, her parents received a letter from a group called the Brotherhood informing them of her procedure. Her mother was horrified and ordered her to leave the house.
Sebastiana Correa
Sebastiana Correa, 28 (at the time the photo was taken), got pregnant as a foreign exchange grad student in Connecticut. Signficantly Sebasitan’s mother is an ardent pro-life activist who runs an orphanage for the children of unwed mothers in Brazil. As scared as Sebastiana was, her first thought when she found out she was pregnant, was “thank God I’m in America where I can have a legal abortion”.
I like how they don’t give an excuse or reason. She just wanted one so she got one. Even this highly educated woman who is clearly smart still wanted an abortion.
Holly Fritz
Holly Fritz, 35 (at the time the photo was taken), got pregnant living at home as a high school student in Buffalo, NY. She just assumed that she should get married to her boyfriend and embark on a life not unlike her mother’s who also had gotten pregnant by her high school sweetheart, got married, and had Holly. When Holly turned to her mother for advice, she was surprised that her mother urged her to have an abortion, rather than a shotgun wedding. Holly is now a high school teacher in NYC, married, and is the mother of a toddler, Zoe, pictured in the photograph with her.
Barbara Ehrenreich
Barbara, 64 (at the time the photo was taken), has had two abortions and two children. She is a grandmother, best selling author and columinist. Her column “Owning Up To Abortion”, published last summer in the NY Times op-ed section was part of the idea that sparked my project. In the article, she writes: “Honesty begins at home, so I should acknowledge that I had two abortions during my all-too-fertile years…Choice can be easy, as it was in my case, or truly agonizing…But assuming the fetal position is not an appropriate response. Sartre called this “bad faith,” meaning something worse than duplicity: a fundamental denial of freedom and the responsibility that it entails. Time to take your thumbs out of your mouths, ladies, and speak up for your rights. The freedoms that we exercise but do not acknowledge are easily taken away.”
Gloria Steinem
Gloria Steinem, 71 (at the time the photo was taken), entered the feminist movement the day she covered Red Stockings abortion speak-out for New York magazine, and finally owned the abortion she had had several years earlier. She describes her abortion as the first time she acted in her own life, rather than let things happen to her. She had her abortion when she was 22. Gloria went on to found several pro-choice organizations, including Voters for Choice and Ms. Magazine and considers reproductive freedom to be the most significant contribution of the 2nd wave
A’yen Tran
A’yen Tran, 25 (at the time the photo was taken), was raised by a single mother in a progressive NYC household. During her teenage years she had a “radical” boyfriend who was emotionally and sexually abusive, and isolated A’yen from her community. She got pregnant, and began waking up to how bad her relationship was. She had a methotrexate abortion and a few days later spoke publicly about it at a Judson Church event emulating the 1969 speak-outs. Even though she is a self-identified abortion activist, she was surprised by how hard it was to talk in personal terms about abortion.
I've found it easier to speak about mental illness than about abortion.
Jennifer And Gillian
Jennifer and Gillian –Jennifer, 35 (at the time the photo was taken), left, journalist and activist, has written about abortion for more than a decade. She was frustrated that all the reporting on the issue, including her own, devovled into a “debate” between pro-life and pro-choice forces. She felt that what was being lost were the voices and faces of people that had abortions. In 2003 she started making t-shirts, resource cards, and working on a film that put the spotlight back on the women. Gillian and Jennifer have been close friends since they lived together in Boluder, CO in 1992. Gillian, 36, had an abortion in 2000 with the man who was to later become her husband and with whom she now has a daughter. She is also a film maker, and Jennifer asked her to direct a film on women’s abortions stories from the campagin. They collaborated, and the result is “Speak out: I had an abortion” film.
Dana that is an InfoWars video. And it was filmed in Austin. That's about as close to being an Onion video without being an actual Onion video.
Rosalyn Baxandall
Rosalyn Baxandall, 65 (at the time the photo was taken), had an abortion in the 1960s and then again when she thought she was in menopause. She was the first speaker at the famed Redstockings abortion speakout in 1969.
Depending on what you consider abstinent, one can still get pregnant if ejaculation occurs even without penetration. Nothing is 100%.
Henrietta Levner
Loretta Ross
Loretta Ross, 51 (at the time the photo was taken), is a major figure in the reproductive justice movement. She is the co-author of Undivided Rights and organized women of color for the 2004 March for Women’s Lives in Washington, D.C., an event that brought unprecedented support from communities of color. She got pregnant in high school and had the son, losing a scholarship to Radcliffe in the process. At a student at Howard University in 1970 she found herself pregnant again. In D.C., abortion was legal, but Loretta needed her mother’s signature in order to have the procedure. Her mother refused and Loretta ended up forging her signature and having a very late term abortion.
Why add negative comments. If you dont like this story, move on. This is an awareness piece not something everyone can be judgemental on.
Marion Bazahf
Dawn Martin
Andrea Sheffield, you do understand that not everyone had a choice to have sex right.
Roberta Todras
So glad Colin is here to mansplain everything to us women who don't know anything...
Amy Richards
It’s real easy to sit back and judge others. Just throw “Cause God said so” in there and somehow that just makes your point of view valid. That’s weak sauce.
If you are anti-abortion, you should be required by law to adopt a minimum of one child out of the foster system. Or shut up. The system does not need more unwanted children. There are too many already.
None of yours do, Ben Smith.
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If you are anti abortion, you shouldn’t have a voice or decision on abortion rights.
That's like saying if you're anti-gun you shouldn't have a voice or decision on gun rights...
So if your anti _____ you shouldn't have a voice? So by your "logic" if you are pro abortion you should have no voice on pro life issues? Do I have that right? WTF lol. How does that even carry any weight as a good argument or viewpoint let alone have 6 up votes?
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That thought doesn’t even make sense.
I agree wholeheartedly. The fact that it's economically difficult or you're too old or too young to raise a child has no bearing. Even with the availability of birth control, pregnancy happens. Humans will always have sex and pregnancy happens. But the God-awful, heart-stopping consequences of that sex mean that forever women have weighed killing a tiny fetus against possible lifetimes of pain and poverty for a child and it's mother. Every woman who has had an abortion lives with that decision, that story. Surely a Pro-Life Advocate should have to show a equal amount of devotion to their stand
I can believe it's wrong for women to kill their children without being obligated to raise their children for them.
Nobody should be forced to adopt a child. Adoption is a major lifetime commitment and if the parent isn’t prepared or enthusiastic it is very harmful for the child. Anti abortion laws harm families, but forced adoption isn’t the solution.
Monilip, her exact point was that there are too many children waiting to get adopted already. Why put a woman through a painful pregnancy and force her to give birth just so you can add even more unwanted children? Go have a look at all the kids starving for love while waiting to get adopted, or being stuck in dysfunctional foster homes, and tell me that's something you would have wanted for your own child. I'm pretty sure it's not.
It's not a "child". It's an undeveloped fetus. Domestic adoptions aren't popular because of varying state laws. These "unwanted babies" end up in the system, not in the arms of loving parents.
Exact same goes for mother's who are forced into having babies that they don't want. It's a risk for the child.
@Linda - and I suggest you go to them all tell them that it would be better if they were aborted. Because unwanted children are bit worthy a life. Or maybe trtto tell that to my adopted brother. He and his wife will laught at this idea that only wanted children disserves to live.
no one "deserves to live". thats not a thing. you either develop to live or then you don't, simple as that
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@LittleLife that why you can always put unwanted child for adoption. You don't have to kill it, if you don't want to or can't raise it.
You talk like they’re not human. Is it better for someone to die than to have a chance at life? The problem isn’t too many children... the problem is our messed up foster systems. Killing babies doesn’t fix the foster system.
i dont think anyone is killing babies? we're talking about abortion, not infanticide
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I'm anti abortion, I find it a vile act. I'm glad I was put in the care system. My biological mother is Down Syndrome and couldn't look after me so responsibly placed me under the authorities care. There's not a single excuse I can think of for an abortion. And the answer to your thread, is that I have a beautiful daughter whom was classed as a miricle as I'm infertile....so much so that we're as a family are going down the route of fostering before adoption.
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If you are anti-killing old men, you should be required by ław to adoption a minimum of one old man and have him on your home for the rest of his life. Or shut up and let us kill old men. They are too many already.
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And if your pro abortion you should have to sit with the poor women who have actually suffered miscarriages
Soyefox, I had a ectopic pregnancy which almost killed me and I would support any women who had an abortion, for any reason. I know someone who had 4 miscarriages but also had an abortion. There are millions of children world wide which need adopting but not enough people who will or can adopt them. Without adding the millions who get aborted.
Soyefox, I've had miscarriages, I've had an abortion, I have a beautiful 5 year old daughter and ... I'm still pro choice. Each case is individual.
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To actually see how lucky you are to kill something and then be patted on the back like you did good
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If you are pro-abortion you should be required by law to explain why you're okay with killing the unborn.
It is beyond me how anyone can think it is okay to ban abortions. There are thousands of kids waiting to be adopted. There are thousands of kids who suffer from neglect and emotional and/or physical abuse because the parents aren't fit to be...parents and who never wanted kids but ended up having than anyway because 'AbORtions KiLL baBieS'. And there are so many women out there suffering from having a child as a result of rape. The whole system is fucked. We need those brave and amazing women to speak up against those who have absolutely no fucking clue what they are talking about...
The person who calls themselves "Money" is concerned about how nihilistic you're being LOL
Money, if your ilk wasn't the same douchebags cutting funding for single parents, support mechanisms for unwanted kids, etc, you might have something of value to add. You don't. You are a child living at home with ideas so poorly formed you can barely articulate them. Tossing in a big word that you can't even really understand only adds to just how stupid you appear to be. Fuck off.
It's especially heartbreaking when a child becomes pregnant. They should never be forced to have the baby.
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Society is the problem. There is no respect for life anymore. There is no respect for sex anymore. Sex is for procreation. Quit having sex if you aren’t ready to have kids. Sex is for marriage. Sex is to have a family.
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Ha "brave" and "amazing" sure
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Any life at all is better then been dead
Good on these women for speaking out. No one should have the right to judge a women on the decision she makes regarding her body. Most People who claim they are pro life are liars, they are pro birth coz they don’t care what happens after the birth, they don’t care about the life of the mother. Just love that people put the rights of a fetus with no identity, cant live outside the uterus, has pretty much no legal rights, no relationships with families and friends, that doesnt have a personality etc over the rights of a living, breathing human being. Some people’s priorities are completely skewed. Forcing someone to do something that they can’t physically, emotionally, financially or mentally cannot handle, is abuse. Do you really think most women make the decision to abort lightly, you are seriously mistaken if you think so. Taking peoples rights away from their own body should not even be a debate.
I have yet to hear the "pro life" movement complain about the children dying at the internment camps on our border. The silence is deafening.
Yeah, the "Pro Life" movement only cares about the fetus. Once the child is out of the womb, they couldn't care less what happens to it, which is fucked up
Prolife are evangelical dupes, they are so mired in racism and stupidity it's laughable. Care about others? Fundamentals give one shit only: that they themselves are seated next to jesus in heaven. Scumbags.
They discovered that at one camp on the border had 950 people in it. It was intended for housing 125... how is this not wrong??
Never hear any complaining about how many die during the trip to the border either
yes, because all pro life people is American anti-imigrantion people. Grow up and look outside of your corner of world.
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We do complain. In fact, conservatives pushed for MORE funding to build facilities and beds at the border to house immigrants, but democrats turned it down. So democrats are the ones that actually refused to provide more and better bedding/housing
They're pro-fetus. That's all there is to it.
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The whole first year of a child’s life they are dependent on others for their life. Are they not human? Do they have no rights, no identity? No one forces these girls to have sex (except in rape which is a VERY small percentage ) People need to wait to have sex when they are ready to start a family. Society is so messed up.
I’ve been with my partner for 17 years and have 2 kids. We do not want anymore and I am on contraception. But contraceptions are not 100% effective. So does that mean I should never have sex with my hubby again in case I fall pregnant? Be reasonable that is just not realistic. It is human nature to have intimacy with you partner. Plus if it was only for procreation then why make it feel so damn good as have more nerve endings for sensation in the genital area. 🙄
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Foxxy's priorities are so skewed she has convinced herself that killing the unborn is like running an errand. SAD
😆🙄 It’s nothing like running an errand but being pregnant is nothing like running an errand either. How about you try it. Oh wait, you can’t so you have no say in what us women do with our bodies.
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The VAST, VAST majority of all abortions have nothing at all to do with incest, rape, birth defects or the health of the mother. Instead it's just healthy women killing the healthy unborn. Disgusting.
I never said what the majority or minority reasons are. Tell me John what do you want to happen once the unwanted child is born? how many unwanted kids have you adopted? You keep going on about choose life, but what are you going to do once the fetus has a chance at life but the parents still won’t or can’t look after it? Please tell me coz I really really want to know.
John Smith, you have never in your life listened to the stories of women who've had abortions.
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And yet we see mostly pro-life crisis pregnancy centres caring for the women with unplanned pregnancies and their babies with free or low-cost resources and being offered by volunteers giving up their time and energy for these women and babies. Ex. Save the storks/carenet: free ultrasounds; planned parenthood: $115 and only for pre-abortion services
"You can visit your local Planned Parenthood health center for free or low-cost ultrasounds, whether or not you have insurance" Don't be out here spreading lies
you're wrong--that's what planned parenthood does. "Pro-lifers" shame, condemn, control, humiliate and threaten--like the guy this post is about.
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Regarding there body sure people men and women should be aloud to do with there body what ever they wish but when some ones pregnant in there body is brand new human DNA so that DNA is not there's don't belong to them and isn't there's to kill or end cause what ever word you want to choose to dilute your guilt you go ahead
So now we're talking about murdering DNA? That's ludicrous
Soyefox, fetuses are totally dependent on the women who carry them. A fetus cannot and will not survive on it's own. Just like we cant force people to donate organs, even if it would mean savings a life, we cannot force women to do the same by continuing a pregnancy. This is called "bodily autonomy". Look it up.
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You say people have their priorities skewed, and then right after you say that one persons financial and emotion stability is more important than another persons Life. How's that for skewed priorities?
Stability and love are the most important things to give a child. So if a woman (and maybe her partner too) decides she will not be able to take good care of a child, then it's a reasonable decision not to have a baby. I've seen too many unloved or mistreated children to not be pro-abortion. To me abortion is a pro-life decision too. Simply because of the fact that being born alone doesn't guarantee a child to have a life worth living.
Because believe it or not emotional and financial stability is important. Why have a child if you live in poverty or are homeless and can’t feed or clothe the child, sadly you need money to look after a child. Do you think you can use Monopoly money or buttons. Fact of life. I can’t emotionally cope with having another child and is a risk to my mental health. I already have 2 kids both with disabilities and it is already a daily struggle. I have severe depression and chronic stress, the possibility of me falling pregnant fills me with anxiety and I will not hesitate to have an abortion if my contraception fails. Also there are some women who can’t handle it emotionally due to abusive relationships, rape, illness, deformities, disabilities, and much more.
You might note that you make a mistake here. Another “person” you say. A clump of cells if not yet a person, merely the potential to become one. Most countries with liberal abortion laws will still set the latest point for legal abortions to a few weeks before foetuses could survive when born prematurely (which is typically around the 26th week). And I guess only some extreme feminists will argue that it still is "pro choice" to have an abortion without strong medical indication after that. However, most people with a background in ethics will argue that an embryo, although being a potential human being, is not to be considered a person. If you approach the discussion from this unemotional side, it becomes much more just!
If you are anti-abortion, you should be required by law to adopt a minimum of one child out of the foster system. Or shut up. The system does not need more unwanted children. There are too many already.
None of yours do, Ben Smith.
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If you are anti abortion, you shouldn’t have a voice or decision on abortion rights.
That's like saying if you're anti-gun you shouldn't have a voice or decision on gun rights...
So if your anti _____ you shouldn't have a voice? So by your "logic" if you are pro abortion you should have no voice on pro life issues? Do I have that right? WTF lol. How does that even carry any weight as a good argument or viewpoint let alone have 6 up votes?
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That thought doesn’t even make sense.
I agree wholeheartedly. The fact that it's economically difficult or you're too old or too young to raise a child has no bearing. Even with the availability of birth control, pregnancy happens. Humans will always have sex and pregnancy happens. But the God-awful, heart-stopping consequences of that sex mean that forever women have weighed killing a tiny fetus against possible lifetimes of pain and poverty for a child and it's mother. Every woman who has had an abortion lives with that decision, that story. Surely a Pro-Life Advocate should have to show a equal amount of devotion to their stand
I can believe it's wrong for women to kill their children without being obligated to raise their children for them.
Nobody should be forced to adopt a child. Adoption is a major lifetime commitment and if the parent isn’t prepared or enthusiastic it is very harmful for the child. Anti abortion laws harm families, but forced adoption isn’t the solution.
Monilip, her exact point was that there are too many children waiting to get adopted already. Why put a woman through a painful pregnancy and force her to give birth just so you can add even more unwanted children? Go have a look at all the kids starving for love while waiting to get adopted, or being stuck in dysfunctional foster homes, and tell me that's something you would have wanted for your own child. I'm pretty sure it's not.
It's not a "child". It's an undeveloped fetus. Domestic adoptions aren't popular because of varying state laws. These "unwanted babies" end up in the system, not in the arms of loving parents.
Exact same goes for mother's who are forced into having babies that they don't want. It's a risk for the child.
@Linda - and I suggest you go to them all tell them that it would be better if they were aborted. Because unwanted children are bit worthy a life. Or maybe trtto tell that to my adopted brother. He and his wife will laught at this idea that only wanted children disserves to live.
no one "deserves to live". thats not a thing. you either develop to live or then you don't, simple as that
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@LittleLife that why you can always put unwanted child for adoption. You don't have to kill it, if you don't want to or can't raise it.
You talk like they’re not human. Is it better for someone to die than to have a chance at life? The problem isn’t too many children... the problem is our messed up foster systems. Killing babies doesn’t fix the foster system.
i dont think anyone is killing babies? we're talking about abortion, not infanticide
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I'm anti abortion, I find it a vile act. I'm glad I was put in the care system. My biological mother is Down Syndrome and couldn't look after me so responsibly placed me under the authorities care. There's not a single excuse I can think of for an abortion. And the answer to your thread, is that I have a beautiful daughter whom was classed as a miricle as I'm infertile....so much so that we're as a family are going down the route of fostering before adoption.
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If you are anti-killing old men, you should be required by ław to adoption a minimum of one old man and have him on your home for the rest of his life. Or shut up and let us kill old men. They are too many already.
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And if your pro abortion you should have to sit with the poor women who have actually suffered miscarriages
Soyefox, I had a ectopic pregnancy which almost killed me and I would support any women who had an abortion, for any reason. I know someone who had 4 miscarriages but also had an abortion. There are millions of children world wide which need adopting but not enough people who will or can adopt them. Without adding the millions who get aborted.
Soyefox, I've had miscarriages, I've had an abortion, I have a beautiful 5 year old daughter and ... I'm still pro choice. Each case is individual.
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To actually see how lucky you are to kill something and then be patted on the back like you did good
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If you are pro-abortion you should be required by law to explain why you're okay with killing the unborn.
It is beyond me how anyone can think it is okay to ban abortions. There are thousands of kids waiting to be adopted. There are thousands of kids who suffer from neglect and emotional and/or physical abuse because the parents aren't fit to be...parents and who never wanted kids but ended up having than anyway because 'AbORtions KiLL baBieS'. And there are so many women out there suffering from having a child as a result of rape. The whole system is fucked. We need those brave and amazing women to speak up against those who have absolutely no fucking clue what they are talking about...
The person who calls themselves "Money" is concerned about how nihilistic you're being LOL
Money, if your ilk wasn't the same douchebags cutting funding for single parents, support mechanisms for unwanted kids, etc, you might have something of value to add. You don't. You are a child living at home with ideas so poorly formed you can barely articulate them. Tossing in a big word that you can't even really understand only adds to just how stupid you appear to be. Fuck off.
It's especially heartbreaking when a child becomes pregnant. They should never be forced to have the baby.
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Society is the problem. There is no respect for life anymore. There is no respect for sex anymore. Sex is for procreation. Quit having sex if you aren’t ready to have kids. Sex is for marriage. Sex is to have a family.
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Ha "brave" and "amazing" sure
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Any life at all is better then been dead
Good on these women for speaking out. No one should have the right to judge a women on the decision she makes regarding her body. Most People who claim they are pro life are liars, they are pro birth coz they don’t care what happens after the birth, they don’t care about the life of the mother. Just love that people put the rights of a fetus with no identity, cant live outside the uterus, has pretty much no legal rights, no relationships with families and friends, that doesnt have a personality etc over the rights of a living, breathing human being. Some people’s priorities are completely skewed. Forcing someone to do something that they can’t physically, emotionally, financially or mentally cannot handle, is abuse. Do you really think most women make the decision to abort lightly, you are seriously mistaken if you think so. Taking peoples rights away from their own body should not even be a debate.
I have yet to hear the "pro life" movement complain about the children dying at the internment camps on our border. The silence is deafening.
Yeah, the "Pro Life" movement only cares about the fetus. Once the child is out of the womb, they couldn't care less what happens to it, which is fucked up
Prolife are evangelical dupes, they are so mired in racism and stupidity it's laughable. Care about others? Fundamentals give one shit only: that they themselves are seated next to jesus in heaven. Scumbags.
They discovered that at one camp on the border had 950 people in it. It was intended for housing 125... how is this not wrong??
Never hear any complaining about how many die during the trip to the border either
yes, because all pro life people is American anti-imigrantion people. Grow up and look outside of your corner of world.
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We do complain. In fact, conservatives pushed for MORE funding to build facilities and beds at the border to house immigrants, but democrats turned it down. So democrats are the ones that actually refused to provide more and better bedding/housing
They're pro-fetus. That's all there is to it.
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The whole first year of a child’s life they are dependent on others for their life. Are they not human? Do they have no rights, no identity? No one forces these girls to have sex (except in rape which is a VERY small percentage ) People need to wait to have sex when they are ready to start a family. Society is so messed up.
I’ve been with my partner for 17 years and have 2 kids. We do not want anymore and I am on contraception. But contraceptions are not 100% effective. So does that mean I should never have sex with my hubby again in case I fall pregnant? Be reasonable that is just not realistic. It is human nature to have intimacy with you partner. Plus if it was only for procreation then why make it feel so damn good as have more nerve endings for sensation in the genital area. 🙄
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Foxxy's priorities are so skewed she has convinced herself that killing the unborn is like running an errand. SAD
😆🙄 It’s nothing like running an errand but being pregnant is nothing like running an errand either. How about you try it. Oh wait, you can’t so you have no say in what us women do with our bodies.
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The VAST, VAST majority of all abortions have nothing at all to do with incest, rape, birth defects or the health of the mother. Instead it's just healthy women killing the healthy unborn. Disgusting.
I never said what the majority or minority reasons are. Tell me John what do you want to happen once the unwanted child is born? how many unwanted kids have you adopted? You keep going on about choose life, but what are you going to do once the fetus has a chance at life but the parents still won’t or can’t look after it? Please tell me coz I really really want to know.