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“Who Makes $40 An Hour?“: People Agree With Woman Who Didn’t Tip Hairdresser After $350 Service
“Who Makes $40 An Hour?“: People Agree With Woman Who Didn’t Tip Hairdresser After $350 Service
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“Who Makes $40 An Hour?“: People Agree With Woman Who Didn’t Tip Hairdresser After $350 Service

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Tipping culture in the US, while customary, can often be seen as inconvenient due to its ambiguity and non-budget-friendly cost. A woman highlighted the issue but also sparked controversy in the process after explaining why she didn’t tip her hairdresser.

Justice, a personal trainer from Chicago, USA, stirred up some heated debates about tipping when she admitted that she hadn’t offered an extra gratuity to her hairdresser after paying $350 for a seven-and-a-half-hour job.

“I did not tip the girl who did my braids yesterday, and this is the first time I haven’t tipped to get my hair done,” Justice said.

She added: “I was fuelled with anxiety, especially when I handed her over the cash, and she started counting it.”

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    Justice sparked controversy after explaining why she didn’t tip her hairdresser

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    The personal trainer had gone to her hairdresser’s home to get small knotless French curl braids, a type of hair braiding technique that involves creating small, tightly woven braids without using knots at the base.

    These braids typically start small at the roots and gradually taper off into curls or waves towards the ends, giving a natural and textured look. The French curl aspect refers to the curl or wave pattern incorporated into the braids, adding dimension and style to the finished hairstyle.

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    Safe to say that the hairstyle takes a lot of labor to create, but Justice argued that while her hairstylist had taken half a day on her hairdo, the total cost made for a rather profitable wage.

    According to Justice, $350 for a seven-and-a-half-hour job averages out to $46 an hour, “minus the cost of hair.” As a result, the personal trainer estimated an approximate salary of $40 an hour.

    Justice, a personal trainer from Chicago, USA, paid her hairdresser $350 for a seven-and-a-half-hour job

    Image credits: antidietpilot

    “I think that that’s a really good price. How many people are making $40 an hour,” Justice asked viewers after documenting her testimony in a video she uploaded on her TikTok account.

    Justice further argued that the hairdresser didn’t have to commute nor pay any “extra overhead because she works from home.”

    The content creator added that she had to go to the ATM, which she described as “the most inconvenient method of payment,” as well as wash, condition, and blow dry her hair before commuting to her hairstylist.

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    “This is no tea, no shade, no nothing,” Justice reassured, as she even admitted that her hairdresser had been the “best braider” she’d ever had and that she would “definitely go back to her.”

    The personal trainer had gone to her hairdresser’s home to get small knotless French curl braids

    Image credits: antidietpilot

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    Justice went on to conclude that although some people may think that tipping is “the way to say thank you,” according to her, the best way to thank someone’s hard work is to be respectful and spread good words about them, such as promoting their business on social media.

    Her video, which amassed 4.6 million views since it was posted on Sunday (February 11), ignited backlash, with a handful of people slamming the fact that she hadn’t tipped.

    Nevertheless, many other viewers echoed Justice’s views, as a person commented: “I’m so sick of tipping.

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    “I ordered a pizza to pick up, and the receipt at checkout asked for a tip. For what? I’m picking it up.”

    The hair braiding technique involves creating small, tightly woven braids without using knots at the base

    Image credits: antidietpilot

    Another TikTok user wrote: “I purposely set my prices for what I need to live and tell everyone tipping is not necessary. The best tip is just to come back [and] tell your friends.”

    An additional commentator penned:  “I’m from the UK and find [that] the tipping in the USA is wild.”

    Someone else added: “I’m no longer tipping on my nails. They rush no more basic nail care and complain if I want an add-on design or shape.”

    A separate individual chimed in: “Yeah, I’m with you. I’m not tipping for hair or nails anymore.

    Justice argued that whilst her hairstylist had taken half a day on her hairdo, the total cost made for a rather profitable wage

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    Image credits: antidietpilot 

    “Their price keeps climbing, and half the time, they are late.”

    Tipping culture in the US has gotten out of control, columnist Arwa Mahdawi wrote for The Guardian in August 2023.

    “The US norm of tipping at least 20% on a meal, and at (the very, very) least $1 a drink at a bar, has always confused European tourists,” Arwa noted.

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    The writer argued that in recent years, tipping prompts have become so ubiquitous that even Americans are confused about when and where a tip is appropriate.

    You can watch her viral TikTok below:

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    “There is now almost no payment transaction in the US that doesn’t involve a prompt for a tip,” Arwa wrote as she highlighted the fact that if you go to get a coffee or pick up a takeout order, for example, an electronic screen will almost certainly get swiveled in your direction, asking if you want to add a 20%, 25%, or 30% tip.

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    “The constant nudging for tips at every interaction feels intrusive and stressful,” Arwa admitted.

    She further pondered: “Are we really expected to give a minimum 20% tip when we pick up some bread from the bakery or grab a vanilla cone from the ice cream shop?”

    The Emily Post Institute, which offers guidelines on etiquette, advises that tipping in a sit-down restaurant is expected. But faced with a tip jar or the technology that replaces that, customers should consider tipping to be discretionary.

    “I see that situation as no different as to whether you’re going to pocket your change or put it in the tip jar,” Lizzie Post, the great-great-granddaughter of Emily Post and the institute’s co-president told The New York Times in April 2022.

    Whilst some people disagreed with her, Justice was also praised for her opinions on tipping

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    Carole G.
    Community Member
    1 year ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Enough is enough, hairdresser made a good wage on this already. In the US prices have gone through the roof & everyone expects a tip on top of the newly added "Service Charge.". It's ridiculous. Pretty soon I'll have to tip a person infront of me for holding a door open!

    Phil Vaive
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    For real. When they expect me to tip at Starbucks for literally pouring a black coffee, or at a store when the only thing they do is hand me the debit machine, it's getting out of hand. I had a woman at a salon get mad at me for not tipping when I walked in, grabbed some hair gel, walked to the til, and she rang it up. I asked how to bypass the tip option and she said "oh, you're not tipping??"

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    WonderWoman
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The hairdresser set the price, which was sufficient. Absolutely no tip is needed. I am SO tired of this push to pay people additional. STOP! You should NEVER tip drive thru, take out, pick up, buffet, bartenders, owners of businesses i.e. hairdressers. Maximum tipping should be NO MORE than 15%. Also very annoyed with the culture saying if I can't afford to tip more than 15% I shouldn't be going there - well guess what, tfb, you shouldn't be working there if you can't survive on a tip less than 15%.

    Bols
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yeah this BS "if you can't afford the tip don't go there" is so annoying, especially since cost of living skyrocketed basically everywhere. People can hardly get by on their own wages so they really don't have capacity to take care of someone else's paycheck. I am all in for voluntary tips! But with emphasis on "voluntary" part and without giving math equations with appropriate percentages, give what you can when you can if you feel like it and don't enforce it on others

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    Phil Vaive
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My thought process is sort of the same as hers. If I'm paying the person who is providing my service directly, why would I tip them? They are the ones who set the price, so they are in effect paying themselves. They control their rates. I'm self employed and have never once gotten a tip as a web/graphic designer, so why should a self employed hair stylist?

    Rozanne Gibbs
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Tipping is out of control! One national steakhouse that you pay your Check at the register has a tip jar, seriously.

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    Pug Pug
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm so OVER tipping. I still do and when I do I overtip, but that bing said once I learned that there is a wait staff that actually fights to not be paid hourly because they can make more with tips, I was out. F**k this, im so done. Honetly It probaly wouldnt have been an issue if tips weren't put in your face everywhere! Also lets not forget that tipping on credit cards is also increasing the wealth of those credit card companies, they get paid twice with it. Image the hit they would take if we all just stop tipping and people were paid living wages

    MR
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Tipping is either for beyond excellent service (providing something that wasn't asked for, not the actual job itself) OR to cover someone who's being underpaid. At $40/hr you're making what you're worth. You're doing the job from home so you're clearly not going out of your way for the customer. You did the job at the price you requested. So no. No no no. You do not deserve a tip. And if you're expecting one you're a fool. And even if you *did* get a tip, the 20% doesn't apply to you. 20% is for those who are underpaid. Tipping was out of hand 40 years ago. And it's only gotten worse. This needs to end.

    justme
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    One thing that stood out to me is her mentioning she had to go to the ATM. So this hairdresser is working out of her home and getting paid in cash. My guess is this isn't a legitimate business it's more of a "side hustle" and she's potentially not paying income tax on that money either she is just pocketing it. So for something like that I would not tip. I would tip if I went to a salon though because the hairdresser there is paying to work there (chair fee or whatever it is called) or the shop is taking a percentage so I have no idea how much the hairdresser is actually making and feel a tip is appropriate if they did a good job.

    rullyman
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yeah for real. It's unprofessional to not have a card machine set up. There are so many good options for small businesses nowadays. I do craft fairs occasionally and have a card machine, which only takes something like 1% of the money that goes through it. But it leads to so many more sales and makes my accounting much easier as I had a paper trail.

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    Mikey Kliss
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I hate the tipping culture in the US but I think her situation isnt everyones. This person she used didnt have any over head but I cant just walk into a Great Clips and expect that my full amount goes to the haircutter. So I think its much more specific then she's making it sound

    BrownTabby
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This one can be solved by finding a business where you’re paying the owner but they give you a more basic cut for a lower price than Ms $350 here.

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    Leah Woodard
    Community Member
    1 year ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Ok, but I'm chronically ill and, whenever I utilize the grocery delivery service I pay a monthly fee for, I'm defaulted to pay 20% of my GROCERY order as a tip to the driver. I have to go back and tell it to lower it, but if I lower it too much my groceries are at least 2 hours delayed.

    Maria Hornberger
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The hairdresser did this in her house, paid no taxes on $350 which would probably be about $70 and still thinks a tip??? OP didn't say hairdresser expected a tip. In the olden days, pre covid, etiquette was you didn't tip owner of salon. you

    Eunice Bentley
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I guess it depends on what you are getting. When I had a broken wrist I could not shampoo my own hair. I went to a local shop and asked if they did things like just a wash and blow dry. They did, $20.00 got my hair washed and blown dry, a little bit of gel or mousse. It was lovely. Once a week for 6 weeks and yes I tipped them because they saved my sanity.

    Pug Pug
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Right tipping for above and beyond is what it should be. Tiping automatically show be outlawed lol

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    Carole G.
    Community Member
    1 year ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Enough is enough, hairdresser made a good wage on this already. In the US prices have gone through the roof & everyone expects a tip on top of the newly added "Service Charge.". It's ridiculous. Pretty soon I'll have to tip a person infront of me for holding a door open!

    Phil Vaive
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    For real. When they expect me to tip at Starbucks for literally pouring a black coffee, or at a store when the only thing they do is hand me the debit machine, it's getting out of hand. I had a woman at a salon get mad at me for not tipping when I walked in, grabbed some hair gel, walked to the til, and she rang it up. I asked how to bypass the tip option and she said "oh, you're not tipping??"

    Load More Replies...
    WonderWoman
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The hairdresser set the price, which was sufficient. Absolutely no tip is needed. I am SO tired of this push to pay people additional. STOP! You should NEVER tip drive thru, take out, pick up, buffet, bartenders, owners of businesses i.e. hairdressers. Maximum tipping should be NO MORE than 15%. Also very annoyed with the culture saying if I can't afford to tip more than 15% I shouldn't be going there - well guess what, tfb, you shouldn't be working there if you can't survive on a tip less than 15%.

    Bols
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yeah this BS "if you can't afford the tip don't go there" is so annoying, especially since cost of living skyrocketed basically everywhere. People can hardly get by on their own wages so they really don't have capacity to take care of someone else's paycheck. I am all in for voluntary tips! But with emphasis on "voluntary" part and without giving math equations with appropriate percentages, give what you can when you can if you feel like it and don't enforce it on others

    Load More Replies...
    Phil Vaive
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My thought process is sort of the same as hers. If I'm paying the person who is providing my service directly, why would I tip them? They are the ones who set the price, so they are in effect paying themselves. They control their rates. I'm self employed and have never once gotten a tip as a web/graphic designer, so why should a self employed hair stylist?

    Rozanne Gibbs
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Tipping is out of control! One national steakhouse that you pay your Check at the register has a tip jar, seriously.

    Load More Replies...
    Pug Pug
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm so OVER tipping. I still do and when I do I overtip, but that bing said once I learned that there is a wait staff that actually fights to not be paid hourly because they can make more with tips, I was out. F**k this, im so done. Honetly It probaly wouldnt have been an issue if tips weren't put in your face everywhere! Also lets not forget that tipping on credit cards is also increasing the wealth of those credit card companies, they get paid twice with it. Image the hit they would take if we all just stop tipping and people were paid living wages

    MR
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Tipping is either for beyond excellent service (providing something that wasn't asked for, not the actual job itself) OR to cover someone who's being underpaid. At $40/hr you're making what you're worth. You're doing the job from home so you're clearly not going out of your way for the customer. You did the job at the price you requested. So no. No no no. You do not deserve a tip. And if you're expecting one you're a fool. And even if you *did* get a tip, the 20% doesn't apply to you. 20% is for those who are underpaid. Tipping was out of hand 40 years ago. And it's only gotten worse. This needs to end.

    justme
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    One thing that stood out to me is her mentioning she had to go to the ATM. So this hairdresser is working out of her home and getting paid in cash. My guess is this isn't a legitimate business it's more of a "side hustle" and she's potentially not paying income tax on that money either she is just pocketing it. So for something like that I would not tip. I would tip if I went to a salon though because the hairdresser there is paying to work there (chair fee or whatever it is called) or the shop is taking a percentage so I have no idea how much the hairdresser is actually making and feel a tip is appropriate if they did a good job.

    rullyman
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yeah for real. It's unprofessional to not have a card machine set up. There are so many good options for small businesses nowadays. I do craft fairs occasionally and have a card machine, which only takes something like 1% of the money that goes through it. But it leads to so many more sales and makes my accounting much easier as I had a paper trail.

    Load More Replies...
    Mikey Kliss
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I hate the tipping culture in the US but I think her situation isnt everyones. This person she used didnt have any over head but I cant just walk into a Great Clips and expect that my full amount goes to the haircutter. So I think its much more specific then she's making it sound

    BrownTabby
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This one can be solved by finding a business where you’re paying the owner but they give you a more basic cut for a lower price than Ms $350 here.

    Load More Replies...
    Leah Woodard
    Community Member
    1 year ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Ok, but I'm chronically ill and, whenever I utilize the grocery delivery service I pay a monthly fee for, I'm defaulted to pay 20% of my GROCERY order as a tip to the driver. I have to go back and tell it to lower it, but if I lower it too much my groceries are at least 2 hours delayed.

    Maria Hornberger
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The hairdresser did this in her house, paid no taxes on $350 which would probably be about $70 and still thinks a tip??? OP didn't say hairdresser expected a tip. In the olden days, pre covid, etiquette was you didn't tip owner of salon. you

    Eunice Bentley
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I guess it depends on what you are getting. When I had a broken wrist I could not shampoo my own hair. I went to a local shop and asked if they did things like just a wash and blow dry. They did, $20.00 got my hair washed and blown dry, a little bit of gel or mousse. It was lovely. Once a week for 6 weeks and yes I tipped them because they saved my sanity.

    Pug Pug
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Right tipping for above and beyond is what it should be. Tiping automatically show be outlawed lol

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