Woman Shares Product Prices In Her Area As A Response To Guilt-Tripping By Vegans
While most of us don’t think twice about the food we’re gonna cook and eat today, people in remote parts of the world are not that lucky. In the Arctic part of Canada, fresh produce can’t be grown due to endless winters and food has to be shipped long distances by plane or ship. This inflates food prices and a full grocery bag can cost a fortune.
One Inuit woman who goes by the Twitter handle @KataraPiujuq has recently created a thread to share fruit and vegetable prices in the Arctic. After being called “a murderer for trying to feed themselves,” Katara made a thread to inform people of the harsh reality of food prices where she lives.
“A lot of Inuit live in poverty-stricken homes and can’t afford to live an expensive vegan lifestyle. We need to hunt to eat,” she tweeted. The price tags of products from the supermarket aisles are self-explanatory, and they leave no doubt that for native Arctic people, a nutritious fruit and veggie diet can be simply unattainable.
The Inuit woman created a viral Twitter thread where she shared insane produce prices in Arctic supermarkets
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And stepped ahead of those who were about to say to move south
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The price tags on fruits and veggies in the Arctic are self-explanatory
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Bored Panda reached out to the Inuit woman who goes by the Twitter handle @KataraPiujuq behind the viral thread, who agreed to share what life is like in the Arctic. “A week’s worth of groceries typically costs around $600. If I make one trip to the shop and buy 1-2 bags of groceries, it would typically cost $50-100.”
An average weekly grocery bag consists of milk, bread, sugar, coffee, macaroni, rice, fries, soup, juice, meat boxes, frozen vegetables, butter, pasta, and occasionally fruit. The woman also said that her household buys a lot of processed food because “they’re cheaper in bulk and we have eight people living in one house.”
The Inuit woman encouraged everyone who thinks Inuit choose to “murder” animals for fur, meat, and culture to get some perspective of the world outside them. “Inuit have lived in the arctic for thousands of years. The animals have stayed consistent and they’ve never gone extinct. We are no different than polar bears who hunt seals, seals who hunt fish, fish who eat shrimp.”
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The Inuit also said that even though veganism is great and she feels heartbroken about animals who live in factory farms and never lived lives as animals, when it comes to Inuit people, the world is a lot different there. “
There was a picture that was circulating of an owl’s nest that was made of lemmings. Inuit live like that. Nature takes care of us, it protects us, always has for millions of years,” the woman, who wakes up every day to help her 5 younger siblings and work at a care center, concluded.
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To find out what an expert in vegan activism had to say about this unusual case, Bored Panda reached out to Alex J. O’Connor, an impassioned animal rights advocate and the founder of the Cosmic Skeptic YouTube channel, podcast, and blog, all dedicated to philosophical ideas and debates in an accessible format. Alex has produced videos with notable figures such as Peter Singer, Richard Dawkins, and William Lane Craig.
In relation to the Inuit woman’s situation of being accused of murdering animals, Alex said that the case highlighted the importance of vegans considering the individual circumstances of the people they are talking to. “It is very easy, especially online, for vegans to make blanket statements that do not in fact apply universally, and therefore place an unreasonably high standard upon people incapable of practically reaching it.”
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Alex explained that “veganism is, by definition, a minimization of one’s contribution to the suffering of animals to the highest extent practicable.” That means that for someone like him living in Oxford, United Kingdom, it’s very easy to adopt a vegan diet, and “the highest extent to which I can eliminate animal cruelty from my diet is its complete removal.”
But he warned that this may not be true in other areas of the world, or even the country. Alex further explained that “this means that someone can agree with the vegan philosophy (properly stated) and yet continue to consume animal products, should their situation genuinely require it.”
“In reality,” the animal rights activist added, “somebody can simultaneously be eating animal products required for their health and survival whilst also eating the minimal amount possible and from the least unethical sources they can practically access.” He again stressed that “no vegan should hope to eliminate all animal suffering, as this is impossible,” but rather, to aim at minimizing animal suffering.
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Moreover, Alex added that the author of the Twitter thread specifically mentioned hunting, which is “a completely different animal to factory farming.”
He went into detail: “The vast majority of animal products in my country are procured via factory farming, which is an undeniably cruel and brutal method of production in which incomprehensible numbers of animals face unimaginable tortures.”
However, “hunting, whilst still in my view unethical if done without good reason (such as in trophy hunting, or hunting for food when vegan alternatives are easily accessible),” in comparison, “is a far less cruel fate for an animal.”
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Alex concluded that “it’s ethically irresponsible for vegans to administer the same moral analysis upon someone like myself buying factory-farmed animal products, and an Inuit hunting for food without any practical alternative.”
Even though vegans would prefer a world in which every person has reliable access to a plant-based diet, Alex warns not to get confused by this. “This is a goal, not a description of the current state of the world.”
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The Inuit woman shed light on the difficult situation people in the Arctic are living in and asked others to do research before judging
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I'm a vegetarian, but lets be honest. A skilled hunter killing an animal and using as much of that animal as possible is how an animal should be used.
The vegans and vegetarians around me are pretty respectful and open-minded. The folks who bug me more are the urban meat-eaters who feel bad for animals that are hunted. Factory-farming is better??
Depends on the "urban meat eater". Many that I know are not feeling "bad" for people hunting deer or rabbits to eat...they are usually talking about the animals hunted for sport...the folks holding the heads of leopards, the tusks of elephants, or the bodies of giraffes in photos while widely grinning. I am sure there are some "urban meat eaters" that "feel bad" for deer or rabbits, but most are not talking about animals hunted for sustinance, but to look cool on Instagram.
I definitely didn't assume you meant ALL urban meat eaters, but I know exactly what you mean. I stopped eating meat because of the waste and cruelty of the factory farms. I really respect people who hunt their own food. (Unless you feel genuine joy over taking a life, then I'm just worried.)
I don’t understand hunting for sport. If I were to hunt, I would hunt for the food and the use of the animal only. Shooting a deer to look cool on Instagram and then doing nothing else with it is a waste. @potato, I’m sure the joy that a lot of hunters feel isn’t the joy of taking a life, it’s the joy of success.
I deplore hunting for fun, trophies, etc. I can certainly understand it if someone is dependent on hunting to survive. That's an entirely different thing. However trapping animals for their fur is reprehensible.
True, Aria, not all urban meat eaters.
Viviane: I also know respectful vegans and vegetarians (my church promotes this lifestyle, in fact.) But I do know plenty that aren't, and a couple that I labelled "food nazis". I worked with a woman who wouldn't let her Kindergartners go the to an assembly where a dairy farmer brought a cow on campus to talk about where dairy products came from and show how they milked the cows. She didn't want them thinking that drinking milk was a good thing. Completely over the top. It's not her purview to tell kids and parents what food is and isn't appropriate. Those are the kind of people this Inuit woman calls out, and I say good for her.
I’ve always felt the same, a lot of meat eaters I’ve talked to are horrified by hunting - I’m horrified by some farming practices. (These are very sheltered city people)
Hunters around me are very proud of being one shot hunters, which is absolutely how it should be and frankly more humane than some farms.
Pretty sure the meat industry uses every bit they can. If they have any business sense at all.
Little Wonder no
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Yeah well it's not like vegetarians actually care about the animals. As if claiming to be a vegetarian added any weight to your words lmfao.
How about vegans just stop telling other people what to eat?
Upvoted and stood and clapped. I was reading thru before I posted the exact same. How bout you mind your diet and I will mind mine!
How about Gabby M, to step out of your ignorance, arrogance, and selfishness and see the whole picture. I don't mind just my diet, I mindful of survival of our planet which people like yourself are destroying by their egocentric over-indulgence.
For evil to triumph, it suffices that good men do nothing. Problem is that what people perceive as evil. And how (if) they feel it should be fought. I find plain out telling people what they should or should not do usually is a pretty ineffective way of changing their behaviour.
Yes, we're using a hammer for a screwdriver here, but many people lack a screwdriver, if you know what I mean...
What do you suggest would work instead, Electric Ed?
Electric Ed -
I've been in so many arguments with militant vegans because I can't be vegan or even vegetarian. I am chronically protein deficient and my body doesn't process plant based proteins well enough. I also have gastroparesis which rules out whole grains and a lot of veggies. Hell, it rules out a LOT of different foods. I went through months of testing to figure out what was going on and what is best for me to eat. My diet was developed by a registered dietitian and gets reviewed every 3 months after bloodwork. Also, people on dialysis have to follow a renal diet which is extremely restrictive. There's so much you can't have because of the potassium or phosphate in them. I spent 3 years on the diet. No dairy, bananas, citrus fruits, tomatoes, spinach (or any leafy green) no nuts, no beans or legumes, no whole grains, brown rice or potatoes. I eat as healthily and as mindful of the impact my diet has on animals and the planet as I can
Carrie, I think that you stated your medical condition before, I think it is very unique and uncommon. It is scientifically proven that diets high in animal proteins overwork liver and kidneys, lack of vitamins, minerals, antioxidants, and phytochemicals, supplied only by plants (artificial supplements don't do the trick) weaken the immune system - I wonder how are you doing on that front? I understand your situation, everybody is trying to live.
What about telling you Evil "Big" Thing, not to eat more than one million animals every single hour and stop destroying our planet, which means we all will go extinct.
lapetos, YES. The 'I can do whatever I want' "people" are the reason why we humans are vile species which is destroying everything on this planet including all humanity. Why all those self-destructing fools who down-voted your comment don't understand it is beyond me.
Here we go again, Lizzy's comment is down-voted by the ignorant, yes, destructive morons. I'm asking you: what wrong did she say ? How did she threatened your existence? She said everything to benefit you as well.
*simcity societies authoritarian 01 applause*
Evil Little Thing no
Evil :Big: Thing, no.
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Your right to do whatever you want ends where you end up hurting others. You eat meat because you just don't care enough to avoid the suffering of animals and because there are hordes of like-minded people enabling you.
Your elevator doesn't quite go all the way up does it?
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Stop blaming all vegans. What is done to animals is cruel but any good vegan would be aware of food deserts and agree that what they do which is hunting is better then our current ways of animal farming they would also agree that even going as far as being vegetarian or eating a vegan meal every now and then is a great contribution to the cause as every little helps. You need to stop putting vegans into this box, genuinely animal farming is terrible we've seen the footage, we are educated about it and we want to stop the harm as much as possible in places with people who have the option to do good. Everyone seems to make a complaint about palm oil but in a ton of vegan products the palm oil is labeled sustainably grown and products with that have a lable on it. I haven't heard a solid argument against the vegan cause, we are in the modern western world if u have the option to make the place better, cause less harm why not do it? We are not here to blame or harm or discomfort anyone..
If people want to be vegan, more power to them. Good on you. But the fact that animals are the only source of a vitamin b12 that we need to live kinda illustrates the point that humans are omnivores. You can argue that 'we can manufacture vitamin b12 from bacteria and take it as a supplement!' and whilst that's true, there are different types of b12 that are absorbed differently; and whenever a building block of the human body is obtained by artificial means, it's never as good as getting it from the source because of how complex vitamins are absorbed. There are also other vitamins the human body needs that come from animal products: Vitamin D, Calcium, and Iron to name just a few. I'm anemic and iron supplements make me sick. I need meat to live. Yes, there are sustainable crops. There are also sustainable farms. The talk about climate change always ignore that rice and soy are the two biggest crops contributing to climate change today. Look it up. They are worse than farms.
You sound like a moron. The Inuit have lived on an almost exclusively meat diet for millennia - since the last Ice Age. They require massive amounts of fat in their diets to maintaint body heat and be able to function at extreme temperatures. They DO NOT get sick eating this way. ...///.... And don't bitch about farms when you've never been to one. You're embarrassing yourself here.
Oh so it's "not all vegans" now? Let me just say that aside from my mom, the only people who have told me what to eat are vegans. So get off your high horse... because I'm aiming to eat it.
You haven't heard a solid argument against veganism because you're not looking and listening. It's called confirmation bias.
I couldn't make this up any better ... the confirmation bias is what keeps meat eating normal, it is not the other way round. You don't become a vegan "just because", it is because you questioned the things usually displayed as normal. If you don't grow up in a vegan environment, overcoming confirmation bias is a key element without which exactly no vegan who wasn't born into being one would even exist. Being the majority doesn't mean one is right. Being able to rule out a rational debate doesn't prove the other side wrong, and, no, the oh-so-funny jokes about vegans are not funny. They're boring. We heard them a million times. Those vegans are almost as pesty as people opposing slave ownership ... they even had the audacity to claim that it was wrong what other people did by owning some negroes, instead of just minding their own business, right? Pesty and entitled, right?
9 months later...ok. Anyway, you're THAT vegan. The vegan that actually scares people away from the cause you hold so near and dear. Also, judging by that rant you need to study what confirmation bias actually is.
i paid for the omnivore now im gonna use the whole omnivore
This is a problem in so many places healthy food, whether vegan or not, is out of the price range of a lot of people. All those celebrity and nutritionist diets are just too expensive for all but the highest income earners.
There are food deserts throughout the US. Community farm plots are springing up & many are buying direct from local/regional farms & farmer markets. These efforts & relationship are crucial to the health of consumers & non-corporate farms.
I can't answer Ms LaDonna directly, because some shitheads voted her down for stating facts (which tells a bit about who votes here - I'd be ashamed if I ever had upvotes in a vegan-bashing stupidity like this at BP), but I wanna say thank you for not surrendering yet. Facts are facts, period, end of. No discussion needed - and one fact is that so-called farm animals are the largest and worst suffering group of any creatures to ever have existed. All the atrocities humans have comitted among themselves are literally nothing in comparison - is something attempting to end this REALLY what people should brag about?
Upvoted for calling out the shitheads
Jerry Mathers haha
Jerry Mathers ?
Jerry Mathers no
Well maybe some vegans shouldn't scream and guilt people that don't share their beliefs. Talk about intolerance. And last I checked, we still have freedom of speech and don't talk crap about people down voting something. FREEDOM OF SPEECH. Look into it.
Yeah, you know, freedom of speech applies to vegans as well ... usually, the debate is sparked by some meat eater showing off their entitlement, telling false facts and demand them being respected as "their opinion", while facts are facts, and opinions are opinions. While you're free to believe any BS you want, there is nothing that entitles you or the meat-eating-extremists to only receive agreement - freedom of speech, huh? A false facts is a false fact. The preachyness of complaining meat eating extremists is yet to be met ... but I guess, no one will try, not even the oh-so-preachy vegans who dare lending their voice to the ignored voiceless. Also - we don't guilt people. The suffering is real - how do you think there is a right to cause it and refuse to be aware of it, and then, on top, losing a debate your side always starts makes the debating of your counterpart even worse than the suffering the meat industry causes? Seriously, that's the most entitled thing even possible.
DC yes
@Mary Maybe because it is?
DC no
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Have to agree that BP is somewhat fond of depicting vegan community as extreme, militant and annoying... This post is another example. Instead of justly pointing out that government and local supermarkets should not allow artificial inflation of food prices so that indigenous people could afford more balanced diet, the vegans are to blame for this sad and unfair situation (even though the article does not contain any actual evidence of vegans blaming Inuits and I have personally never seen any either). Dear BP, you have readers on plant-based diets who are neither militant, nor blame-inducing. Who simply have decided to reduce their consumption of animal products because of cruelness and environmental impact of factory farming or for health reasons. Please, stop cherry picking examples of crazy extremists and spreading bias. In this way, radical and one-dimensional image can be created about any community; it serves no one.
Don't know what bario you live in but where I live, veggies and fruit aren't just for celebs.
Rose, you are wrong: 1. many plant- based foods, like beans, all legumes, whole grains are cheaper than meat, dairy, and eggs. 2. those plant-based foods which are more expensive are expensive because their producers do NOT get the government subsidies and tax brakes as destructive animal agriculture does get.
Ms LaDonna and Mary it is useless to argue with the ignorant, arrogant, cruel, selfish idiots. "The highest realms of thought are impossible to reach without first attaining an understanding of compassion." - Socrates (469 - 399 BC/BCE) Greek philosopher, known as one of the founders of Western philosophy. - I bet they will down-vote and insult Socrates too.
I upvoted Sokrates ... or you on his behalf, and on yours. Actually, the anti-vegan propaganda here gets weaker and dumber every time another so-called calling out of things that never happened is attempted by the always same ignorants. And, on the imagined preachyness: Even if this were true, even if each and every vegan was a preachy dickhead, it still wouldn't be worse than words, which one can opt to ignore if they aren't worth being taken into consideration - this choice, sadly, is not in reach of any of the animals suffering the cruel atrocities that they are forced to live and die in. I can't imagine anything more self-righteous, self-absorbed and egoistic than the freely chosen cryery of self-called victims of so-called preachy vegans, while preaching about an imagined necessity of meat consumption. Let's just say it is necessary for the inuit ... ok, so it be - but what does that have to do with people living under totally different circumstances?
Beans, with all respect, vegans are healthier than meat - animal protein eaters. They live pain and disease free till the very old age. The meat eaters need more artificial vitamin and mineral supplements than vegans do. By the way, nutritional yeast is a good source of vitamin 12 and other trace vitamins. - Gallons of water it takes to produce one pound of: Potatoes - 34; Oranges - 61; Rice - 299; Tofu - 302; Beef - 2,500.!!!! -If the world went vegan: we would free up land the size of Africa and need only 20 % of it to feed 8 billion herbivores. - A person on a vegan diet produces 1/2 the CO2; uses 1/11 the oil; 1/13 the water; 1/18 the land, than their meat eating counterpart. Rice and soy are NOT the biggest contributors to climate change.!!! Look it up and follow the money, because those who claim that production of plan-based food is killing our planet has reason to lie.
In most places, fast-food, eating out and highly-processed foods are not cheaper than unprocessed (regionally grown) veggies and grains. Sorry.
Rose the Cook -
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Veganism has been around for ages so it's not a celebrity diet. it's very inexpensive. it's not all high priced veggies. i do think it's be hard in the arctic but not many other places, there are many vegan groups in supposed food deserts in the U.S.
That would be a flat out lie.
I'm a vegetarian, but lets be honest. A skilled hunter killing an animal and using as much of that animal as possible is how an animal should be used.
The vegans and vegetarians around me are pretty respectful and open-minded. The folks who bug me more are the urban meat-eaters who feel bad for animals that are hunted. Factory-farming is better??
Depends on the "urban meat eater". Many that I know are not feeling "bad" for people hunting deer or rabbits to eat...they are usually talking about the animals hunted for sport...the folks holding the heads of leopards, the tusks of elephants, or the bodies of giraffes in photos while widely grinning. I am sure there are some "urban meat eaters" that "feel bad" for deer or rabbits, but most are not talking about animals hunted for sustinance, but to look cool on Instagram.
I definitely didn't assume you meant ALL urban meat eaters, but I know exactly what you mean. I stopped eating meat because of the waste and cruelty of the factory farms. I really respect people who hunt their own food. (Unless you feel genuine joy over taking a life, then I'm just worried.)
I don’t understand hunting for sport. If I were to hunt, I would hunt for the food and the use of the animal only. Shooting a deer to look cool on Instagram and then doing nothing else with it is a waste. @potato, I’m sure the joy that a lot of hunters feel isn’t the joy of taking a life, it’s the joy of success.
I deplore hunting for fun, trophies, etc. I can certainly understand it if someone is dependent on hunting to survive. That's an entirely different thing. However trapping animals for their fur is reprehensible.
True, Aria, not all urban meat eaters.
Viviane: I also know respectful vegans and vegetarians (my church promotes this lifestyle, in fact.) But I do know plenty that aren't, and a couple that I labelled "food nazis". I worked with a woman who wouldn't let her Kindergartners go the to an assembly where a dairy farmer brought a cow on campus to talk about where dairy products came from and show how they milked the cows. She didn't want them thinking that drinking milk was a good thing. Completely over the top. It's not her purview to tell kids and parents what food is and isn't appropriate. Those are the kind of people this Inuit woman calls out, and I say good for her.
I’ve always felt the same, a lot of meat eaters I’ve talked to are horrified by hunting - I’m horrified by some farming practices. (These are very sheltered city people)
Hunters around me are very proud of being one shot hunters, which is absolutely how it should be and frankly more humane than some farms.
Pretty sure the meat industry uses every bit they can. If they have any business sense at all.
Little Wonder no
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Yeah well it's not like vegetarians actually care about the animals. As if claiming to be a vegetarian added any weight to your words lmfao.
How about vegans just stop telling other people what to eat?
Upvoted and stood and clapped. I was reading thru before I posted the exact same. How bout you mind your diet and I will mind mine!
How about Gabby M, to step out of your ignorance, arrogance, and selfishness and see the whole picture. I don't mind just my diet, I mindful of survival of our planet which people like yourself are destroying by their egocentric over-indulgence.
For evil to triumph, it suffices that good men do nothing. Problem is that what people perceive as evil. And how (if) they feel it should be fought. I find plain out telling people what they should or should not do usually is a pretty ineffective way of changing their behaviour.
Yes, we're using a hammer for a screwdriver here, but many people lack a screwdriver, if you know what I mean...
What do you suggest would work instead, Electric Ed?
Electric Ed -
I've been in so many arguments with militant vegans because I can't be vegan or even vegetarian. I am chronically protein deficient and my body doesn't process plant based proteins well enough. I also have gastroparesis which rules out whole grains and a lot of veggies. Hell, it rules out a LOT of different foods. I went through months of testing to figure out what was going on and what is best for me to eat. My diet was developed by a registered dietitian and gets reviewed every 3 months after bloodwork. Also, people on dialysis have to follow a renal diet which is extremely restrictive. There's so much you can't have because of the potassium or phosphate in them. I spent 3 years on the diet. No dairy, bananas, citrus fruits, tomatoes, spinach (or any leafy green) no nuts, no beans or legumes, no whole grains, brown rice or potatoes. I eat as healthily and as mindful of the impact my diet has on animals and the planet as I can
Carrie, I think that you stated your medical condition before, I think it is very unique and uncommon. It is scientifically proven that diets high in animal proteins overwork liver and kidneys, lack of vitamins, minerals, antioxidants, and phytochemicals, supplied only by plants (artificial supplements don't do the trick) weaken the immune system - I wonder how are you doing on that front? I understand your situation, everybody is trying to live.
What about telling you Evil "Big" Thing, not to eat more than one million animals every single hour and stop destroying our planet, which means we all will go extinct.
lapetos, YES. The 'I can do whatever I want' "people" are the reason why we humans are vile species which is destroying everything on this planet including all humanity. Why all those self-destructing fools who down-voted your comment don't understand it is beyond me.
Here we go again, Lizzy's comment is down-voted by the ignorant, yes, destructive morons. I'm asking you: what wrong did she say ? How did she threatened your existence? She said everything to benefit you as well.
*simcity societies authoritarian 01 applause*
Evil Little Thing no
Evil :Big: Thing, no.
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Your right to do whatever you want ends where you end up hurting others. You eat meat because you just don't care enough to avoid the suffering of animals and because there are hordes of like-minded people enabling you.
Your elevator doesn't quite go all the way up does it?
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Stop blaming all vegans. What is done to animals is cruel but any good vegan would be aware of food deserts and agree that what they do which is hunting is better then our current ways of animal farming they would also agree that even going as far as being vegetarian or eating a vegan meal every now and then is a great contribution to the cause as every little helps. You need to stop putting vegans into this box, genuinely animal farming is terrible we've seen the footage, we are educated about it and we want to stop the harm as much as possible in places with people who have the option to do good. Everyone seems to make a complaint about palm oil but in a ton of vegan products the palm oil is labeled sustainably grown and products with that have a lable on it. I haven't heard a solid argument against the vegan cause, we are in the modern western world if u have the option to make the place better, cause less harm why not do it? We are not here to blame or harm or discomfort anyone..
If people want to be vegan, more power to them. Good on you. But the fact that animals are the only source of a vitamin b12 that we need to live kinda illustrates the point that humans are omnivores. You can argue that 'we can manufacture vitamin b12 from bacteria and take it as a supplement!' and whilst that's true, there are different types of b12 that are absorbed differently; and whenever a building block of the human body is obtained by artificial means, it's never as good as getting it from the source because of how complex vitamins are absorbed. There are also other vitamins the human body needs that come from animal products: Vitamin D, Calcium, and Iron to name just a few. I'm anemic and iron supplements make me sick. I need meat to live. Yes, there are sustainable crops. There are also sustainable farms. The talk about climate change always ignore that rice and soy are the two biggest crops contributing to climate change today. Look it up. They are worse than farms.
You sound like a moron. The Inuit have lived on an almost exclusively meat diet for millennia - since the last Ice Age. They require massive amounts of fat in their diets to maintaint body heat and be able to function at extreme temperatures. They DO NOT get sick eating this way. ...///.... And don't bitch about farms when you've never been to one. You're embarrassing yourself here.
Oh so it's "not all vegans" now? Let me just say that aside from my mom, the only people who have told me what to eat are vegans. So get off your high horse... because I'm aiming to eat it.
You haven't heard a solid argument against veganism because you're not looking and listening. It's called confirmation bias.
I couldn't make this up any better ... the confirmation bias is what keeps meat eating normal, it is not the other way round. You don't become a vegan "just because", it is because you questioned the things usually displayed as normal. If you don't grow up in a vegan environment, overcoming confirmation bias is a key element without which exactly no vegan who wasn't born into being one would even exist. Being the majority doesn't mean one is right. Being able to rule out a rational debate doesn't prove the other side wrong, and, no, the oh-so-funny jokes about vegans are not funny. They're boring. We heard them a million times. Those vegans are almost as pesty as people opposing slave ownership ... they even had the audacity to claim that it was wrong what other people did by owning some negroes, instead of just minding their own business, right? Pesty and entitled, right?
9 months later...ok. Anyway, you're THAT vegan. The vegan that actually scares people away from the cause you hold so near and dear. Also, judging by that rant you need to study what confirmation bias actually is.
i paid for the omnivore now im gonna use the whole omnivore
This is a problem in so many places healthy food, whether vegan or not, is out of the price range of a lot of people. All those celebrity and nutritionist diets are just too expensive for all but the highest income earners.
There are food deserts throughout the US. Community farm plots are springing up & many are buying direct from local/regional farms & farmer markets. These efforts & relationship are crucial to the health of consumers & non-corporate farms.
I can't answer Ms LaDonna directly, because some shitheads voted her down for stating facts (which tells a bit about who votes here - I'd be ashamed if I ever had upvotes in a vegan-bashing stupidity like this at BP), but I wanna say thank you for not surrendering yet. Facts are facts, period, end of. No discussion needed - and one fact is that so-called farm animals are the largest and worst suffering group of any creatures to ever have existed. All the atrocities humans have comitted among themselves are literally nothing in comparison - is something attempting to end this REALLY what people should brag about?
Upvoted for calling out the shitheads
Jerry Mathers haha
Jerry Mathers ?
Jerry Mathers no
Well maybe some vegans shouldn't scream and guilt people that don't share their beliefs. Talk about intolerance. And last I checked, we still have freedom of speech and don't talk crap about people down voting something. FREEDOM OF SPEECH. Look into it.
Yeah, you know, freedom of speech applies to vegans as well ... usually, the debate is sparked by some meat eater showing off their entitlement, telling false facts and demand them being respected as "their opinion", while facts are facts, and opinions are opinions. While you're free to believe any BS you want, there is nothing that entitles you or the meat-eating-extremists to only receive agreement - freedom of speech, huh? A false facts is a false fact. The preachyness of complaining meat eating extremists is yet to be met ... but I guess, no one will try, not even the oh-so-preachy vegans who dare lending their voice to the ignored voiceless. Also - we don't guilt people. The suffering is real - how do you think there is a right to cause it and refuse to be aware of it, and then, on top, losing a debate your side always starts makes the debating of your counterpart even worse than the suffering the meat industry causes? Seriously, that's the most entitled thing even possible.
DC yes
@Mary Maybe because it is?
DC no
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Have to agree that BP is somewhat fond of depicting vegan community as extreme, militant and annoying... This post is another example. Instead of justly pointing out that government and local supermarkets should not allow artificial inflation of food prices so that indigenous people could afford more balanced diet, the vegans are to blame for this sad and unfair situation (even though the article does not contain any actual evidence of vegans blaming Inuits and I have personally never seen any either). Dear BP, you have readers on plant-based diets who are neither militant, nor blame-inducing. Who simply have decided to reduce their consumption of animal products because of cruelness and environmental impact of factory farming or for health reasons. Please, stop cherry picking examples of crazy extremists and spreading bias. In this way, radical and one-dimensional image can be created about any community; it serves no one.
Don't know what bario you live in but where I live, veggies and fruit aren't just for celebs.
Rose, you are wrong: 1. many plant- based foods, like beans, all legumes, whole grains are cheaper than meat, dairy, and eggs. 2. those plant-based foods which are more expensive are expensive because their producers do NOT get the government subsidies and tax brakes as destructive animal agriculture does get.
Ms LaDonna and Mary it is useless to argue with the ignorant, arrogant, cruel, selfish idiots. "The highest realms of thought are impossible to reach without first attaining an understanding of compassion." - Socrates (469 - 399 BC/BCE) Greek philosopher, known as one of the founders of Western philosophy. - I bet they will down-vote and insult Socrates too.
I upvoted Sokrates ... or you on his behalf, and on yours. Actually, the anti-vegan propaganda here gets weaker and dumber every time another so-called calling out of things that never happened is attempted by the always same ignorants. And, on the imagined preachyness: Even if this were true, even if each and every vegan was a preachy dickhead, it still wouldn't be worse than words, which one can opt to ignore if they aren't worth being taken into consideration - this choice, sadly, is not in reach of any of the animals suffering the cruel atrocities that they are forced to live and die in. I can't imagine anything more self-righteous, self-absorbed and egoistic than the freely chosen cryery of self-called victims of so-called preachy vegans, while preaching about an imagined necessity of meat consumption. Let's just say it is necessary for the inuit ... ok, so it be - but what does that have to do with people living under totally different circumstances?
Beans, with all respect, vegans are healthier than meat - animal protein eaters. They live pain and disease free till the very old age. The meat eaters need more artificial vitamin and mineral supplements than vegans do. By the way, nutritional yeast is a good source of vitamin 12 and other trace vitamins. - Gallons of water it takes to produce one pound of: Potatoes - 34; Oranges - 61; Rice - 299; Tofu - 302; Beef - 2,500.!!!! -If the world went vegan: we would free up land the size of Africa and need only 20 % of it to feed 8 billion herbivores. - A person on a vegan diet produces 1/2 the CO2; uses 1/11 the oil; 1/13 the water; 1/18 the land, than their meat eating counterpart. Rice and soy are NOT the biggest contributors to climate change.!!! Look it up and follow the money, because those who claim that production of plan-based food is killing our planet has reason to lie.
In most places, fast-food, eating out and highly-processed foods are not cheaper than unprocessed (regionally grown) veggies and grains. Sorry.
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Veganism has been around for ages so it's not a celebrity diet. it's very inexpensive. it's not all high priced veggies. i do think it's be hard in the arctic but not many other places, there are many vegan groups in supposed food deserts in the U.S.
That would be a flat out lie.