“Being A Less-Than-Perfect Parent”: 50 Things Men Can Get Away With But Women Can’t, As Shared By People Online
InterviewIt’s 2023. Spain is providing women with menstrual leave, female professional athletes in the US are finally receiving the same salaries as their male counterparts, and Scotland has passed a bill requiring free menstrual products to be available in public restrooms. Alongside all of the wins women have recently had, however, we still have a long way to go in creating a truly equal society.
One curious Reddit user recently asked people to share things that are socially acceptable for men to do that women face unfair judgment for, so below, you'll find some of their most prevalent responses, as well as conversations we were lucky enough to have with the person who posed this question and the host of Feminist Talks with Nandar.
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Be in charge of their reproductive organs.
Saw something recently about someone proposing mandatory vasectomies, was immediately shot down. Because apparently it's okay for men to control women's bodies, but when it comes to men's bodies, it's unacceptable. F**k off
Honestly, no uterus no opinion. (Hope I don't get downvoted) And trans women are women. Trans men are men. There are no strict definitions on what makes someone a man or woman.
Load More Replies...We have a serious problem in the US. There are cases now where, if a woman is carrying a fetus that has a complication that is not compatible with life - meaning the child will not survive to full pregnancy term or will not survive after birth - the woman is forced to still carry the pregnancy until the fetus dies in utero, or be forced to labor and give birth to a child which will die immediately. This is medieval, barbaric s**t being promoted and enforced by unhinged, Christian, right wing nutjobs. We have a huge fight ahead of us.
I listened to an interview last month. Husband and wife this happened to in 2023. Blew my mind! How barbaric this is.!! Vote people! Make sure you vote
Load More Replies...So as far as I'm concerned, if a woman doesn't want a child, then she gets the same rights to walk away as a man has. If that means legal abortion, then all hail legal abortion as a safe medical alternative to butchery and despair.
I'm picturing the abortion wards opening again in the states which have outlawed it...just like back before RVW....full of women dying from sepsis and hypovolemic shock. Yeah such a great and free country we live in..../s
Load More Replies...I don't want more kids, so I got sterilised. I'm lucky to live in a country that isn't removing women's rights. If I still somehow get pregnant I will not be carrying another child to term, my body just couldn't cope even if it was something I wanted, which I don't - four is plenty for me
Over here in the good 'ol US I was denied a tubal ligation - while I was already on the operating table having a c-section (my 2nd.) Master's degree, 2 kids, husband in the room & in agreement and it was STILL "oh, honey, you might change your mind." WTAF?!? (Surprise 3rd kid, different surgeon, finally got it done.)
Load More Replies...I'm a man and I'm sorry but I didn't vote for the bigot, misogynists, hypocrite politicians people keep electing to lead this country.
Thanks. Keep voting against it. Solidarity, brother. My only hope is something an old man told me in a hardware store once. He said, "you know, the dinosaurs made a lot of noise. They're all dead now."
Load More Replies...And yet, women r seen as the ones that need to take care if the birth control
Expressing anger. If you're mad, you're either a harpish shrew, a crazy b***h, or hormonal. Promiscuity, in fact, I've never once in my life heard that word applied to a man. Only women are considered "Promiscuous"
As long as no one is sleeping with my spouse, I have one thing to say -- have fun!
When men sleep with a few women, they're "players" "studs" when women do it, they're "sluts" "whores". Sleep with whoever the f**k you want as long as it isn't hurting people.
I don't even have to get to the point of showing anger. Once I express any amount of exasperation I'm told to "simmer down", "you need to calm down", "tatata, now now. Calm". The amount of suppression has f****d up my teeth, as the only way I can get rid of the welling up emotions that I feel in the pit of my stomach melts away when I clench my teeth real hard. Then I cry. Then I think about what TF I did to cause people to be uncomfortable and what I wished I said or did instead of biting my tongue. I'm more prone to "outbursts", as I've been told by my managers. I'm not allowed to feel normal emotions. I'm not allowed to express myself, build up boundaries, relate concerns, bring up serious issues. I'm just not allowed. It's like I'm alive to be everyone's punching bag and joke. In Nelly Furtado's song "Promiscuous" she does say "promiscuous boy", so it is something I've heard.
Not sure about the second one, I think men are called out for this too. There's the word "manwhore" that describes just this.
actually I have heard men called players, sluts, and dogs but not to their face - the terms were used as a warning to other women
Then you've been around the wrong people. Names we've used for guys - manwh*re, serial dater, pump'n'dump chump
One from a couple of centuries ago that turns up in Regency Romance genre books is "Rake"
Load More Replies...I don't agree with the second one. Man are also accused of promiscuity, I suppose that's what a manwhore is
If you're a woman, many of the responses on this list will come as no surprise to you. We tend to become desensitized to the double standards we encounter often because it's exhausting to expend energy being constantly frustrated about them or engaging in heated discussions with individuals who deny their existence. But it's important to keep talking about these issues to ensure that one day our children, grandchildren or great-grandchildren won't have to experience them.
To learn more about how this particular conversation started in the first place, we reached out to the Reddit user who invited others to share things that are socially acceptable for men to do but frowned upon when women do them, and he was kind enough to have a chat with Bored Panda. "My main goal [when creating this post] was to find comebacks that use logic against transphobia," he shared.
And when it comes to how many of these inequalities he has seen first-hand, the OP said, "I haven’t really observed many of them in my lifetime, but they do bother me." He went on to suppose that people tend to underestimate one gender due to "traditional roles that are deeply rooted" in many of us.
'babysit' your own kids. Thankfully it's falling out of favour but the amount of times my dad got asked by our family if he was 'babysitting' us while my mum was busy was wild. No, he's not babysitting us, he's being a parent. My mum never got asked if she was 'babysitting' us while dad was busy.
True, but women are guilty of this too. Asking me if I was babysitting. Acting surprised that I can change diapers or do other basic parenting stuff. I'm talking USA. Some countries still very much have 'women's work' categories. I got kind of scolded in the Philippines for washing my own clothes. And that was coming from the FEMALE relatives. LOL
Women are part of society, thus they develop the same ideas...
Load More Replies...People used to ask this to me of my now ex. "Oh, your bf is babysitting tonight?" Kinda felt like that considering I had to ask him if it would be okay to watch her for a few hours once in a while. I knew it was meant as tongue in cheek, for the most part, but some people I had to correct them. When we were at family functions on his side, I was always the default parent for diaper changes, feedings, rocking, holding. If I had to go to the washroom, eat, anything, and my daughter got fussy people would be like "awww it's okay. Mom will be here soon." or "Where is your mom? Robert, where is your girlfriend?" Like, .. he's the dad. Give her to him. No wonder she became a momma's girl and felt detached from her dad.
I CANNOT STAND MEN LIKE THIS!! I literally stood toe to toe with the husband of a friend of mine because her and I went to the grocery store to get food for a bbq lunch and left mine (and hubby's) 2 kids with my husband. When we came back he was huffy and said 'You took your sweet time. We shouldn't have to babysit while you run off and have an adventure.' (we were gone 40 mins) Suffice to say, my husband gave him a mouthful and then so did I. Took him 6 months to apologised and I wouldn't let him in my house until he did. F*cking k**b jockey with small man syndrome. FYI - They're my step kids (Can you imagin if I said I 'babysit' them full time cause we have full custody?!?!).
It's your child. You are parenting. Babysitting is what you pay someone else to do. I hate this one.
My ex-husband tried to use "abandonment" of our children in our divorce proceedings. They were with him while I was at work. 🙄
Not wanting to have kids, if you’re a woman who decided to be child free people will call you lonely, selfish, and act like you’re wasting your life because apparently all women are here for is breeding. Once you’re 40-50 with no kids, society will insist you regret your decision not to have kids & will end up lonely with nobody in your life & 50 cats!
Once again I disagree with the stereotypes I'm reading on this thread. At almost 80 years old, I know so many women and couples who have not had children and are leading very happy lives. Where we live in BC, society does not insist you regret your decision . . . . . Far from it.
It seems you may live in a bubble of acceptance. And that's wonderful that you haven't been subjected to what this post describes. I can assure you though, that women are widely questioned about their intent to have children, even to the point of women being denied sterilization surgeries on the basis of "regretting it later", or because they "haven't met the right person" to procreate with yet. It is still common practice for a woman to be refused a tubal ligation unless her husband is in agreement with the procedure. Beyond that, it is common for people to ask WHEN a woman will have children, not IF they even want to.
Load More Replies...Same! I'm 41 and on my way to that lofty goal, I currently have two XD
Load More Replies...This is a real thing in 'Merica! I think some parents are so busy with children and grandchildren, they didnt have time to explore their own interests which can make them resentful of those that can. I know many parents who claim (secretly, because it looks sooo bad to admit it) they wish they hadn't had children. It's the most unhappy or jealous parents that try and make childless people feel bad.
And don't forget all the times "do you have kids?" comes up as a normal introductory question. Then if you say no, they're either "why not/when are you going to" or act like they pity you
I know. I also hate it when people I haven’t seen in awhile ask me if I’m seeing anyone. No, and my dogs are doing amazing, thanks for asking
Load More Replies...55 here, with three cats and a dog...and no partner or human kids. And I am not remotely lonely nor regretful.
It's completely understandable and okay to go off on people who say s**t like that.
People with kids experience "empty nest". That's when their children move out and become adults with their own life. They don't need their parents anymore. It's a difficult transition when your life has been centered around the children, being mum and dad. Now suddenly, you are childless. You look in the mirror, and you have grown old. How the time has passed! Late old age, for women, the man usually dies years ealier. Men doesn't live as long as women. You need to live a positive life. I want to understand facts, learn from others, to not be unprepared. I don't think children is a guarantee for anything. Some parent don't even get along with their children, conflicts remain, are never resolved, even in old age. I don't want to discourage anybody. Just, life is not easy. There are overwhelmingly many choices. There's no one-size-fits all solution. Living a happy life is truly an art.
We also reached out to Nandar, host of Feminist Talks With Nandar, to hear her thoughts on the topic. "I think it is important to also discuss what men are not taught to do that women are forced to do because both affect us negatively," she told Bored Panda. "I grew up in a small village in Shan State Myanmar with two brothers who had the freedom to do whatever they wanted to do when they wanted to. For example, I would have to help do the household chores after the school break, while my brothers would hang out with their friends or play football. I did not like doing household chores, but I had to. Why? 'Because I am a girl' was the answer to that and so many other questions."
"I was not allowed to go out at night or sleepover at a friend’s house when my brothers could," Nandar went on to share. "I was also not allowed to wear the clothes that I wanted to wear. One time, when I was wearing a short skirt up to my knees, my brother made me go change immediately. Since then, I stopped wearing short skirts for over a decade. After I got my first period, I was scolded by my uncle not to do any sports, because it is 'not appropriate for men to see a grown woman' do that. (This implies that my body is growing, and men won’t be able to control themselves around woman). I gave up doing anything jumpy or sporty from then on. Enjoying and liking sex is another huge taboo in our culture. If a man talks about how he likes sex and has done it, people praise him for it. But when a woman even slightly mentions that she is curious about sex, she becomes a slut in society’s definition."
I've gotten the dumbest comments from people about doing things that aren't "womanly" lol ... Someone commented that my deodorant scent was masculine and I should be wearing woman's deodorant once. Like, sorry I'd rather not spend twice the money for Secret when I could get a cheap-a*s speed stick that just smells like pine trees.
Some of the men's products smell better. I like the way most men's bodywash smells over women's.
This sounds weird but I might choose to wear men’s cologne and/or deodorant because I’ve always liked how my dad smells 😌 it reminds me of safety
Load More Replies...THIS. I have been asked/harasssed about my gender identity, sexuality, etc. Why? I wear jeans. Of coures I do. I was raised on a farm. What the he** do they think we wore? We all wore jeans! Dressing up was for dressing up. Daily life is work, we want our denim, now back the f*ck off, and no, that doesn't make me (insuilting words). It means, shockingly, that *I prefer to wear blue jeans*.
Some people should keep their nose out of other people's business (armpits)!
I hate deodorants and perfumes in general. Suffering from allergies means some of them are fine and others make my eyes water and my nose run like a tap. Nothing worse than being on public transport when someone with the latter sits down next to me.
I inform those people that, since I am a woman, what I am doing/using/etc. is, by default, womanly or lady-like.
Letting body hair grow.
I let my body hair grow during the winter, and shave it during the summer :P
Ah yes, the true beginning of spring. Trees budding, robins appear, time to break out the razor.
Load More Replies...This one has never made sense to me. Stopped shaving years ago, there's just no point really
The way I see it, it should be a compromise between you and your partner. If a woman can tell a man he should shave his beard then he should be able to say I she should shave her legs. But like I said, compromise, discuss and decide whether it's important enough to make a stand over.
Load More Replies...This one bothers me. Like, even if I just have a little hair on my legs I feel pressured into cutting it because apparently I need to have unnaturally smooth legs to look pretty. One, I don’t care whether I look perfect and wish society would feel the same. And two, my parents never want me to grow up and haven’t even noticed my leg hair, to the point where I have to cut it with scissors over the bathroom sink in secret. 0/10, would not recommend as my scissors are blunt and can’t cut anything. (Sorry for ranting it just really bothers me)
Tell your parents you have body hair and need a razor. They can't stop time.
Load More Replies...To be fair, most men don't shave their legs or underarms. So, "letting body hair grow" would never apply to them. If a woman does not want to shave, it's her right and society has nothing to say about it. It's HER body. her choice.
I've long asked how come men aren't expected to shave their pits.
It's interesting that bodybuilders do. They all go for the shaved look, be it chest, arms, legs. Beards are rare too. I think it's so the muscles are more visible. Doesn't explain the armpits and no beards. Maybe since they shave in general, the are now into hairless esthetics?
Load More Replies...me too, it might be over a year now honestly. I don't feel the need to shave at all. I will proudly sport my leg hair, and most of the time armpit hair. I only shave it if I'm wearing a tank top which is pretty much never
Load More Replies...Why care what society thinks? Do what you like and ignore anyone who has nothing better to do than criticize others.
Heaven help you if you have any sort of visual facial hair. Men nowadays think that even 1mm of hair on the face makes you a man.
Yet men can grow pubes on their face - yes, beards and pubes - it's the same!
actually it's not. pubic hair only grows so long. Beards keep growing.
Load More Replies..."The world we live in, as of now, is deeply patriarchy, which means the rules are set by and for men to enjoy their full rights while controlling women’s choices and bodies as they please," Nandar went on to explain. "Of course, things are slowly progressing because of the feminist movement around the world. These double standards exists because men feel the need to control women’s lives, so that they can continue dominating in every aspects of their lives. It isn’t fair, and it is because of these kinds of injustices that feminism was born and feminists like us are continuing to fight for our human rights to remove the patriarchy system and build a fairer world."
Reject. As in rejecting men, opinions, theories. Anything, really. Men do it all the time, unconsciously even. Women have lost their lives over this.
... because we're supposed to sit quietly and agree with everything!
Because men can’t seem to find respect for them, despite EVERYTHING they do. I am thankful for my mother. She does things she doesn’t want to do everyday and sacrifices her self for the rest of the family’s convenience. And then sometimes my dad wonders why she’s so short with him at the end of the day. They’re both short tempered at the end of the day, or zombie tired. They both only get 6 hours of sleep because my mom wakes up with my dad early (he gets up for work at 3) to see him off and pack his lunch. They both sacrifice a lot T-T
So you're saying women aren't allowed to reject you? Is that it? No? You feel refected by men? Okay then. Welcome to the club.
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Frowning, or even failing to smile *all the time*. My husband was shocked when I told him how often a man tells me to smile when I'm just going about my business.
Just had an older man stop me in my gym and told me I should smile. I asked him if he told the men to smile, he said no. Told him to leave me alone, maybe YOU should walk around smiling for everyone in the gym, old man!! It was harsh I know, but people are so rude. Don't bug me when I'm lifting!
I don't think you were harsh. If anything, what you said will hopefully stick with him and he'll not pull that bull s**t on another woman.
Load More Replies...Last time a dude told me it smile I turned to him and just stared at him - he sure as hell felt self conscious after a minute and slinked off no doubt to tell his mates about the psycho who just stared at him but damn, how do these idiots have the gall to demand this stuff from complete strangers? For all they know I've just had life altered news I'm struggling with, or I'm feeling sick, or stressed or whatever. I don't exist as something nice to look at for strangers, just go away and leave women alone
I either smile reaaal creepy or pull up my eyebrows with a non verbal "no" or a cold "why". Normally it's enough to make them scatter.
Load More Replies...I've seen this in action a few times. Some women just have resting b***h face, and some guys just can't resist telling them to smile. Just stfu and go about your day
Yup this is me and people always ask me what's wrong when I'm totally fine. I usually say nothing I was born with this face.
Load More Replies...I've just decided now that the next time someone says "You'd be so much prettier if you smiled", I'm going to reply, "I would be so much happier if you didn't talk to me."
This always infuriates me! Who the he** do you think you are to demand I smile? Seriously, who teaches these men they have rights over strangers bodies? & the amount of time it's done while a woman is in a customer service role so they feel they have to comply or risk a complaint is a total power move by (some) men.
What about -"You should smile more"? I've heard that frequently and it's always urked me. You decide to smile, not them!!
I've taken to saying, "Give me a reason (to smile)". Funny how that shuts 'em up.
I used to say if you were funny, I would. Its just the gross idea that they want to see your face warmly animated for them, like a dog on command. These men are sick PsOS.
Load More Replies...I had to tell the pharmacy tech this was sexist. He would say it every time I'd go to pick up my meds. Obviously people who are picking up medication often don't feel well. No way should some *** be demanding they smile. He was shocked when I told him this was really sexist and he actually made me explain it to him. So unprofessional. His boss should've been the one to school him.
I lost my patience for these guys when, not long after my mom's death, a man told me to smile. I asked him if it was okay with him to not smile, since my mom had died very recently and I was very sad about it. Apparently, it was okay with him. I have shamelessly used that line ever since, and knowing my mom, she'd cheer me on for not taking strange men's b******t.
When it comes to how we can dismantle the patriarchy and remove these double standards, Nandar says women should refuse to conform to these arbitrary expectations. "I used to follow all these norms and standards despite the fact that it was making me deeply unhappy and confused. I thought that conforming to the norms is the way to achieve being a ‘good girl’ because I wanted to matter in society, but gradually, because of access to the right education, I was enlightened enough not to do that," she noted.
"The double standards and cultures do not serve us in anyway. They don't give any benefits or rights to grow fully as a person. In order for one to live fully, one must exercise their rights fully," Nandar continued. "This applies to all genders. Men must learn to give up their entitlement over women’s choices and bodies and realize that [we] are not something for them to take control of. Unlearn and relearn how you define masculinity because that is what has often led men to think that they are in full control of women’s lives. Without both parties (men and women) participation, it won’t be possible to remove the double standards that have become [part of our] culture."
EATING ANOTHER SLICE OF PIZZA (or other food stuff.) The amount of times I've sat in a meeting warring with myself about how I'll be judged for having another food item is just sad.
My body is a temple, and it is devoted to the goddess that is me. It is completely my choice as to how I decorate my altar and also how I fill it. So f**k off.
I love the Andy Richter quote: "My body is a temple, but it's one of those temples in Thailand where they let the monkeys s**t all over the place".
Load More Replies...The amount of f***s I give when I eat around people would make me a virgin again.
Me and my sister have both went through this. My dad would make comparisons to my bio father, who is overweight, or tell me to "stop stuffing my face for one f*****g second" even though he would point out how skinny I was other times. My sister got less of it, but I saw it when she would eat McDonalds or something.
I do think parents have a responsibility to their kids to try to raise their kids in a healthy way, and part of that is watching their weight. However, there is a difference between slightly overweight and fat or obese. And if your kid has managed to get to the point they're genuinely fat/obese you have already failed as a parent. I also believe there is a right way to deal with it, and it's not telling your kid to "stop stuffing your face". In fact you don't need to say anything at all about weight, just change the diet and encourage activities that burn calories.
Load More Replies...It's not your body, I'll decide what to do with mine and if you feel so inclined, have less food yourself. also f*ck off mate
I know! You should be free from judgement. Like, even if I'm not hungry anymore, but just want to indulge with having another piece, I absolutely should be free to do so without judgment. Even if you're fat this should hold true. Especially if you're fat!
As a big guy(6ft3, 280lbs) I actually appreciate a woman who isn't afraid to eat. I think that modern feminine beauty standards are atrocious. I am all about curvy girls who are happy the way they are. Obviously, there are health issues for being obese, but I have also known a few girls that were so determined to have that supermodel look, that they starved themselves and had crazy health issues because of it. Sometimes, it is just a matter of genetic predisposition. Some people will always be skinny, and extremely lean, others will always be large and cuddly. The trick is to learn to love the body you have. Nonetheless, women really do get judged more for this more than men do, and it's sad that it is usually generational. Girls will be told by there mothers and grandmas that a boy won't want a "fat" girl. For all of you lovely ladies who have had to experience the judging,and negative body comments, I'm sorry. You are beautiful just how you are!
There is very little standing between me and pizza. I'll only hold off if I'm trying to be fair and make sure everyone has had some food. Once that's taken care of, I'm eating.
F**k that if its good food ill eat it! Hell i once out ate my mom dad AND grandpa at a Brazilian steak house. ;)
Welding. My mother had a hell of a time just trying to do her job without guys messing with her and thinking either she's stupid or doesn't know what she's doing even though they went through the same classes and she's been doing it longer then most
Ugh, yes. I wanted to be a mechanic when I was in my teens. My dad (gently) discouraged me, saying that no one would take me seriously and I'd get a lot of harassment. He wasn't being sexist or promoting sexist ideals, he was telling me his observations. He had been an aeronautical mechanic for a while after he got back from Vietnam, and my mother had worked on the assembly line for Boeing back in the day as well. My dad said the female workers always got mocked, teased, harassed, and were always judged as poorer performers than the men, regardless of their actual productivity. I know my dad was just trying to look out for me, but I still wish I'd become a mechanic.
If fathers hadn't discouraged their daughters back in the 90's there would be more female mechanics today. My high school wouldn't even let me take automechanics in 1990 because I was a girl. I was lucky. When I was 14 my sister totaled her car. My dad had it towed to the back yard and let me take it apart. I own my own diesel shop now.
Load More Replies...I used to work cutting tile for a contractor and had a client (male but the house we were working on was actually owned by his wife), insist that I stop and would not allow me to work at the job because I was female. His wife stood silently by and allowed his rant, even though I had worked on many projects for her.
If youre a woman in any skilled trade, i defer to you. YOU know the job i dont. Plus in my experience, and in my area, my mechanic is female. She doesnt over charge, pad the bill. In fact she gained my undying loyalty when she fixed some minor problems "just because". A tail light, a loose mounting clip, a muffler hanger. My former shop would have charged me.
I think ANYONE who can weld is cool. Male, female or pick-your-own-label. I wish i knew how to weld.
As an ex plasterer, I unfortunately had the exact same problems. I once got paraded through the site by my new boss, in front of like 10 guys, exclaiming "Look, we got a girl! Equal Opps will look good this year!". Idiot.
Medical doctor. The number of times I am still called "nurse" by anyone... Give me a dollar for each one, I could retire in comfort. It just doesn't stop, even in 2023. Male nurse gets called Doctor, of course. (In fairness, I called him other things, but he seriously said my mom's heart attack was asthma... 1. My mom was 40 years a nurse, she knew and 2. I'm an MD, I knew and 3. you never don't rule out heart stuff!)
S**t, my grandmother welded P-40 Warhawks at the Curtiss Plant during the second World War. If someone said dumb s**t like that to her, they would need to go see a good dentist.
I will always choose the woman trades person, professional etc. Women generally have to work at least twice as hard just to compete and that means they will always put more effort in.
Nandar went on to share some wise words for women who are unfairly judged for these innocent actions. "This is advice I would give to my younger self: Don’t be afraid to speak your mind, even if people around you are making you feel bad for it," she told Bored Panda. "Be yourself. Stand up for what you believe, even if you are alone. Your voice matters. When you are standing up for yourself, you are standing up for generations of women before and after you. You may not know or feel like that right now, but it matters. Do and say what makes you feel best."
"Do not be afraid of question the norms," she continued. "The main reason these harmful ideas continue existing is because we don’t question them enough. When we question, we also make those who follow these ideas blindly think. Lastly, do not let anyone or any culture define you. What you do defines you, not your culture or your family. You can make the changes you wish to see."
Shaving your head. I do it a couple times a year and find it completely freeing. But have been judged for it by some. “Real women don’t shave their head” kind of thing. Why not?
Honestly, I’ve kinda wanted to just shave it too. Unfortunately I have a weird and prominent dip in the back of my skull that makes my head look ugly, but I at least want to cut my hair short. I know many women have short hair, but changing my appearance at all seems like too much of a risk since some middle schoolers can be complete jerks and can turn you into a joke over just about anything. :(
I'm so sorry :( You're exactly right, sadly - I was teased for my hair (it's curly and poofy so I got called "Chia Pet", and more than a few times kids would pull on a handful and literally cut it off with scissors) so yeah, kids will tease/bully others over the smallest things. I've wanted to shave my head too! I'm cis female and I know I'd take flak for it even at my age (I'm 41.) I dyed my hair (blue!) for the literal first time in my life this year because I was too afraid and ashamed to do it before. A short haircut can be VERY cute though - try that first, maybe! I know kids will still be little shíts, but maybe you could do some research on what the popular modern short hairstyles are for girls (or copy an anime haircut... is that still a cool thing? lol) But hang in there... you're doing fine :) and I promise you school won't last forever, but I know it feels like it will right now.
Load More Replies...This made headlines in the local news. A female server at an Asian restaurant was fired for shaving her head in solidarity for her uncle who was undergoing chemotherapy. According to the restaurant owner her shaved head was a "violation of the conservative/traditional dress code. She was not, in fact, Asian btw. There has been a few cases just like this in Canada.
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2011/01/27/waitress_fired_after_cancer_headshave.html https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/winnipeg-waitress-fired-for-shaving-head-1.1008777#:~:text=In%202008%2C%20Stacey%20Fearnall%2C%20a,and%20Fearnall's%20boss%20later%20apologized. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/waitress-loses-job-after-shaving-head-for-cancer-charity-1.704759
Load More Replies...Urgh same ... I have so shave half my hair off due to my psoriasis and i get many comments about how i would look prettier with my full head of hair. Fug you its so damn itchy and painful to have psoriasis
Is this really so rare that BP couldn't find a bald chick picture? I've known quite a few bald beauties
They were either too lazy, or perhaps consider bald women not attractive enough. Took me all of 3 seconds to Google "bald women" and get a plethora of photos.
Load More Replies...Oh, to shave my hair.. but I admit freely I am too afraid of the censure.
It's not my thing. I need my long hair. But to each their own. If you like it, then that is all that matters!
Of course the opposite too, until fairly recently, men couldn't grow their hair out and still keep/get many jobs. As in actually in the HR handbook as banned.
Shaved my hair once and really learned how some men treat lesbians so rude. I am not even homosexual but with the hairstyle I was approached many times by men finding me threathening/angry/provoking and telling me I'd be less angry if I only got some proper hetero sex. That was So confusing to me, and I felt so sad figuring what lesbians have to listen from conservative men.
Doing jobs that require physical strength or were once considered “manly” like being a mechanic, firefighter, etc.
Edit: Yes, I know men are stronger and there’s evidence backing it. Women can still be capable. Some of you need to realize that some people work out.
Men tend to have more upper body strength, while women tend to have more lower body strength.
Can confirm, my sister kicked a creep on the bus so hard he had to be hospitalized when she was 15
Load More Replies...Have this feeling SOME men are more angry because they believe these are jobs where they can have their little men's club to talk about men's issues and be misogynists. With women working along with them, they now have to watch what they say and do.
I'm not sure how much of it is misogyny, but I agree that there's some "boys club" stuff involved. One crew I worked with was scared to tell dirty jokes when I was around, turned out I knew just as dirty jokes as they did and they relaxed. Another crew, the foreman wouldn't even talk to me because I'm not a man. His crew said it's because he'd been wrongly accused of sexual harassment and now he's terrified of it happening again. If that's true, I feel really bad for the guy. I've had some of my male friends wrongly accused before too, it's a s****y route to take to get away from someone you just don't like
Load More Replies...When i was about 25, i did a full-contact tae-kwon-do sparring session against a 13-year-old female black-belt. She beat the s*** out of me, even with padding. Very big lesson learned there.
Generally stronger is a key word. Women are not a monolith nor men either. I don't believe in special rules for a woman qualifying for a heavy labor job, but many jobs are doable by women just fine. Lifting huge amounts and dong other things that require unusual levels of strength are accidents waiting to happen and a smart work place would find ways to work without minimal risk anyone's health. As a safety engineer, I don't like seeing anyone strain their body to the max doing a job.
I know I'll get downvoted for this, but if I was in combat, I'd much rather have a man next to me in case I was shot and had to be carried. I'm a woman.
The variations between sexes is substantial but also within the same sex. Not all men are stronger than all women. Some men are smaller than women, weaker than a lot of women and not as agile or dextrous as women. For instance most men who live regular lives when compared to elite women athletes would never be able to compete with them. Just because the average woman is not as strong as the comparable average man doesn't mean she isn't strong enough to do a physical job. It doesn't take a man's full strength to hold a fire hose and it doesn't take a woman's full effort either.
Do you know how much a rolled up firehose weighs? https://firefighternow.com/how-much-does-fire-hose-weigh-hint-its-heavy/ Have you seen an unprepared person get thrown around like a toy when a firehose gets turned on? https://www.firerescue1.com/firefighter-training/videos/firefighter-thrown-by-hose-pressure-Ct7pKXQ3cf2rdXtO/ Add to that firefighters are in serious protective gear https://firefighternow.com/how-much-does-a-firefighters-gear-weigh/ Sorry to be pedantic about this but I have a friend who is a firefighter and it's an extremely physical job.
Load More Replies...People need to stop bringing up stats. Like if a female woman was doing a job which required physical strength- she would clearly be able to do the job, as she has the job. Like if you do more heavy lifting than others, you're gonna be stronger than others. It does not matter if male men can put on muscle more easily, or have better upper body strength. It has nothing to do with women and men in general, it depends on the individual.
Well pretty much any job that has a physical strength component will have a physical strength test to get in. So as long you don't see a problem with a woman needing to pass that test to get the job then sure. Because like you say then it IS on the individual.
Load More Replies...(Just from a personal perspective), I have never had any issue with anyone doing a job that they were capable of. However, people insisting that "accomodations" be made so someone who couldn't do the job could have the position... that bothers me.
But what would you consider too much "accommodation"? Say a workplace had no female employees and no female toilets, and then used the lack of toilets as a reason to continue not to employ women. Say a workplace had no female-sized safety equipment- and used this as an excuse not to employ women. It's all too easy for a company to just say it's all too hard and expensive to accommodate different needs, and then we just continue to be stuck in a sexist world (and the same holds for an ableist world).
Load More Replies...Nandar also urges all of the men out there to be allies to women. "Don’t be silent when you see injustice," she says. "Don’t ignore or assume that you have nothing to do with it. You are part of the society and culture that harms women’s lives and choices, and you must stand up for them because you are on the other side of the coin. We need to hold hands and change the system, not let the system change us."
If you'd like to hear more words of wisdom from Nandar, be sure to check out her podcast, Feminist Talks With Nandar right here!
Be angry
When my boyfriend's sdult son goes into an angry verbal tirade over even small things, he's "passionate".. When I get even so much as a little irritated, I am "irrational" and "overreacting".. I have to keep reminding him that its ok for women to be irritated and angry sometimes. We aren't always sunshine and rainbows.
My mantra is this: I am a kinkajou: tiny and cute and fluffy, and absolutely will f**k you up if pissed off.
Load More Replies...Yeah, for some reason it's okay for men to raise their voices and get mad about simple s**t but when a woman voices her concerns and thoughts, she's called "emotional" "unreasonable" or the classic, "she must be on her period".
I've been told by a lady at the Hydro office she wasn't going to help me if I didn't stop "shouting". I wasn't even shouting at all. I was talking about a couple things and wanted to bring up a past issue that was still on my mind, as it came with a credit bureau (someone stole my Hydro account and racked up some debt I was on the hook for for an address I had never lived at, and Hydro somehow didn't have any information on my file of my previous address I was living at. It was a confusing situation of stolen identity that left me bewildered for years and never got answers or any closure). So when I brought it up she started walking away. There was plexiglas in between us and I just amplified my voice just a bit to ensure she could hear me. I was actually calm.
Load More Replies...One time Steam uninstalled all my games at random (weird glitch but fine in the end) so I tell my dad. Obviously I was a bit annoyed because WTF my games are gone and he tells me to stop being angry over it. My mom asks what’s going on and he says I am having a meltdown. LIKE WTF?! That’s not a meltdown it’s called being annoyed!
F*#k that bs! If you feel mad, feel mad! This too passes, and usually more quickly if we are allowed to express it.
Me, just a naturally pïssed off person realising that a women's stereotype is that we are supposed to be happy all the time: 👁️👄👁️
This one's still b******t I don't care how many times I hear it. People treat angry guys differently too. If anything, there's a general area of fear. Even in my scrawny a*s body, if I start yelling, people treat me like I've got a gun in my back pocket and the self control of a poodle
I am a big guy, if I get angry I will just end up without friends, family, stabbed or in jail
My dad threatened to throw my brother off the second floor. Police were not called, and when I confronted him about it later, he asked if I wanted to be thrown off. My mom said that everyone says irrational things in the heat of anger, but whenever I say something irrational, she holds it over my head and calls me a terrible child that's breaking her poor little heart.
Load More Replies...When my husband cries in public he literally gets complements for being so "brave" ... When I do it I get asked if it's "that time of the month"
Respectfully, I’ve never heard of a man being called brave for crying in public. I have heard them being told to man up however
"Are you on your period?" because they get annoyed with your a*s, it's just been a rough day, or something else. There doesn't need to be a reason, everyone's entitled to their own feelings. On the flip side, I was always called a pussy for crying, generally frowned upon, I've never seen a guy get complimented for crying.
As a guy, I've cried a few times in public and in my opinion, it makes people feel awkward. They have certainly never formed a queue to tell me how 'brave' I'm being. They have glanced at me and hurried away, if anything.
I get this. They're uncomfortable with your emotions. That's their problem not yours!👍
Load More Replies...Well, if they asked your husband if it was that time of the month it would be a little weird. FWIW, I have cried in public a number of times over the years. My mom's dead body at the hospital, several funerals, some other intense situations. No one has EVER complimented me or told me I was 'brave'.
To be honest I think this is the truth. Most men just don't cry unless it's a death or a birth. At which point it's practically expected for you to cry.
Load More Replies...My daughter has been told by her grandparents to not cry in public for any reason, not even after going to an open casket funeral she found overwhelming. I hate this emotional suppressed mindset. It's not healthy. I, nor my daughter, wants to "lighten up", "cheer up", "calm down", "clean up". How about f**k off. We have these emotions. They're a part of our communication needs to one another and emoting creates a feeling of empathy to others. It's primitive to being human. Too bad society has been created with psychopathic tendencies and everyone is supposed to go around emotionally numb because it makes people scared they'll break down and cry out of sympathy. Just do it. Go ahead. Own your emotions. They're yours. No one can take expression away from you.
If someone says that to me, it would instantly turn into rage crying.
I don’t cry at all. I just get crabby or really quiet. My dad asked me why I looked ready to kill someone last night 😌 and no it’s not that time of the month. I actually just get pitifully sick/ill during that time
That's when I say, "Silly rabbit, don't you know all women get their periods during the full moon " and simply smile
Being dedicated to your work and missing time with your kids
This isn't acceptable for either gender. Your kids come first, always, no matter what. You picked that responsibility up when you decided to father them, and men who do this will get flak for it.
You can put your kids first while also being dedicated to your work. My dedication to my work means that my family actually has money to pay for bills---why is that bad? Anyway, I think you've missed the point of the post---the point is that women are often expected to be at home with the kids and not have much of a career at all, and this is something not expected of men.
Load More Replies...Let's not forget that if a woman wants to move abroad for her career with her kids, it's not allowed, but if a men received a good job proposition, he move abroad and the judge don't even bring up the fact that kids gonna miss papa, like on the other way around.
It's acceptable to society but their kids don't appreciate an absentee parent, of a mom or dad.
That's pretty extreme take. Being dedicated to your career does not mean you are an absent parent.
Load More Replies...I’m happy I have a workplace that allows me to take time for when my kids need me!
Right? I had a high level professional position while my husband was a commercial painter (I made 3x the amount of money he did, so it made no sense for me to miss work). All school emergency contact information listed him first since his schedule was more flexible. I can't tell you the number of times I have b*tched out the f*cking idiot from the school who couldn't read and told them "CALL MY HUSBAND - JUST LIKE THE FORM SAYS, you moron".
I wouldn't say the stereotype of the absent father is viewed in a good way.
Haha my husband works as much as he can. Our boys are alot. I rarely get breaks or time alone.
So it sounds like you are, in essence, a single parent, if the only effort or support your spouse is providing is financial. I've seen this a lot and, at best, it's an unbalanced relationship - and definitely not in your favor.
Load More Replies...In a marriage, one parent has to take the sacrifice of working more, and spending less time with the children. Mothers tend letting the father take that sacrifice.
-Speak uninterrupted, and point it out without being negatively judged. -Not worry about birth control. -Ask for a raise. -Be assertive.
I always get interrupted. To the point it's hard for me to finish what I want to say in my head, so I'm always stuttering. If someone is listening to me wholeheartedly, I just start trailing off expecting them to interrupt me. It's a real problem.
Nothing pisses me off quite like being interrupted, especially when it's a man (cuz it's guys talking over me 99% of the time it happens); I've abandoned subtlety and tell them verbatim "Don't interrupt me". If they do it again, then I'm gonna get mean.
Let's see, I go on a date with a woman that speaks uninterruptedly. And does not care about birth control. Am out of there. As for asking for a raise. All good and fair. However, from experience. It's the women that are hardly at work, mostly because they are struggling single mothers that are always asking for a raise. Because they frankly need it. However that is not the problem of the business
Why did you have to put this here?? Please hit the delete button on your comment :(
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Letting your hair go naturally grey before you’re very old.
I'm damn near 38 years old and over 50% grey at this point and I earned every single one of these møtherfuckers and I wear them as the badges of honor they are lol I only dye my bangs fun colors 😅
I'm 70 and not one gray hair. Sometimes I feel like a freak. Maybe I will just go straight to white.
Load More Replies...This is another one I feel is dated / not so true any more. There was a trend in the 70s to ADD grey. I remember it being called frosted hair but the images you mostly get when you google that now are not quite what I mean. It was more like streaks of grey here and there. For a while my mom sold wigs and even some of the wigs came that way.
I was excited when my hair started to turn grey. It is silver now at 72 and I am happy I don't have to spend all the money I used to, to get it frosted blonde!
Blondes are lucky when they go grey. It comes out a nice color. I personally have dark hair and do not like the whole "salt and pepper" thing I get if I let it go.
Load More Replies...I started going grey in my late 20’s. It’s a genetic thing. My hair is almost white, but I am ghostly pale. What my hair stylist does is put low lights in my hair that makes my hair look a darker silver. It looks much better and when it’s growing out there are no tell tale “lines”.
Dying my hair makes it dry and brittle. It needs to be bleached which burns and irritates my scalp. I'll let those sterling silvers show.
I started going gray since I was six years old but it was only on one side of my hair. My hair started changing in earnest during my early 20's. I got so much grief from people telling me I looked old and weak, I grew depressed but come my 40's, I didn't give a d*mn. I am now 47 and most of my hair is white. As many commented, they're a badge of honor, along with my scars and stretch marks. Be proud of who you are and always remember the journey.
My ex's family would split up after dinner. All the men would go into another room and the women in the other. I wanted to carry on a conversation I was having with F in law about formula 1 racing and followed him. I got a total look of disapproval. Reminded them it wasn't victorian times and I'll do what the hell i like!
My ex's family, the men would be all "Welp. Lets head into the living room and let the ladies clean up." Being raised by a single mom this was jarring and enraging to me.
I am a straight male who has always been more comfortable talking to women because they talk about life and relationships. I don't care to talk about sports ball and drinking.
Honestly I don't see anything wrong with splitting into groups after dinner. If the conversation topic is something you're not interested into join the other group. But getting excluded from a group conversation because you have the wrong bits :(
They do this all the time in India, too. I was talking to my sister quietly while dad and grandpa were discussing politics and what not, and grandma told me to shut up because "the men are talking".
My family socialized like that…It was the 1970’s…That s**t is still happening? Where???
I don't think men can get away with that too, and conversations do tend to change when there is just women and just men so people can actually socialize better if there are different groups being formed in different times. But I agree that it's really weird.
Bragging about how many people you’ve slept with
I don't think that sounds good coming from anyone, no matter what sex you are.
I think this has changed a lot over time, at least in Western cultures. Not '"bragging" which has always been super cringe to me no matter who is doing it. But the whole 'Scarlett letter" mentality if a women is known to have sex out of wedlock and/or with multiple partners. I'm okay with men who brag about it to women they want to date since it's a free red flag for the woman to run away.
Leave off the bragging part - just the ingrained social reaction if it comes up is terribly skewed. A man who gets around a lot is a "stud" while a woman who gets a lot of action is a "s**t"
I guy I used to date asked me once how many people I'd slept with, then shamed me over it. I asked how many he'd been with, and the number was literally six times mine. When pressed, he said that was "different" because he's a guy. Mind you, my shamefully-high number didn't stop him from pressuring me to sleep with him. I guess women aren't supposed to have sex before marriage, unless it's with him.
This is tacky no matter what gender you are. It's nothing to brag about nor be ashamed about. No one's business but yours and the people you slept with.
Are you SERIOUS!? This would never be socially acceptable where I come from.
Thought of The Odyssey- my English teacher was like, “yeah… so it was normal and considered heroic to have slept with multiple women for men, but when Penelope is thought to have cheated on her husband, well, women are usually scorned for doing the same thing.” I’m like, WHAT LOGIC IS THAT??? If multiple guys sleep with a woman, they can brag about it and be praised, but the woman is a s**t, huh?
Sitting in a bar alone.
I go to bars by myself all the time. It’s not a big deal, I actually prefer. If I guy approaches me and tried to talk when I’m not in the mood I just blow him off and ignore him. Easy.
Same, and I rarely get hit on in the bars I go to. It helps that I usually go during the daytime in the weekends, and the bars I frequent are also good for reading a book or whatever.
Load More Replies...I do this all the time. There is a bar right across the street from my place. It's usually full of regulars that know my husband and I very well. But occasionally men come in and ask to buy me a drink or stand super close to me, and will not take a hint that I am not interested. I just want to play the jukebox and play on my phone. I'm polite the first 2 times, then I'm an a*****e. Luckily my friends are the bartenders who just say no she doesn't like that when someone wants to buy me a drink, etc...
Yes, especially when you're in a pensive mood and just want to unwind from having a stressful day. And we'll thank you for not following us out of the bar when we leave, too.
As a guy I feel this. I used to go to a bar right next door from where I worked to blow off some steam. Girls I worked with would ask if I was going because they wanted to chill and not have guys coming up to them all night.
I've gone out to karaoke nights on my own and had a blast. Never met real friends but that's not why I went. Just like singing and practicing. Best nights, to me, was when there was almost no other customers for the night. I got all the slots to myself most of the time. I think maybe some people were puzzled why I was there on my own. But no one said anything to me.
Disappointing the amount of men who think it's okay to touch or hit on random women when that's not what they want, very obviously.
Hitting on someone, especially in a bar is ok. But be willing to accept "not interested" as an answer, smile and move along.
Load More Replies...I think this is less something women get judged for than something that we need to feel unsafe about. But if something happens to you while you’re alone at a bar, the judgment will fly!!
I go to a bar to drink. That's it. I have never meet a partner at a bar.
Right? Like I can't just be having a quiet moment to myself? Of course not, I'm obviously waiting for your stupid a$$ to come bother me. I haven't been in a bar in years, but one of my favorite things to do to these unwanted pests was to just stare at them without saying a word. They (usually) got the hint pretty quick.
Lol when I'm old enough to go to gay bars I'm prolly jes gonna sit watching ppl with a can of lemonade XD
People watching. The most interesting thing you could do. “No, I’m not lonely or sad, I’m observing humans. They are interesting creatures.”
Load More Replies...Doing our own home repairs or knowing about and working on cars. Speaking up in a meeting as the only woman present. Expressing a point of view different from the majority. Been there, done all of these.
"Expressing a point of view different from the majority." I'm going to be observing if this happens in the BP community.
Oh, oh! That’s me. I did that a lot when I first made this account, and it was actually WHY I made this account- heh 0-0
Load More Replies...When you live on your own, knowing how to do smaller home repairs I have found to been a necessity to know. Cars? I grew up in a family of mechanics. If I don’t understand, yes I ask. I go to a fantastic garage where they don’t mind explaining and teaching me things. I’m paying for it. I have the right to understand everything.
Or pointing out that having a uterus does not automatically make me in charge of: taking meeting notes, making coffee or cleaning the office. I was second in command and made that PERFECTLY clear the first time it was asked. Told the Manager who made the request that he could "go get your personal assistant to do it, because I sure as f*ck won't". I thought the President was going to die laughing.
I have probably been the a*****e in some girls story because they start talking about doing home/car repair. I don't want to be the a*****e, but I have done most of these things, and I want to discuss specific details. I've probably been mansplaining things to girls who didn't want to get specific, but just wanted to share thier accomplishment. On the other hand, I just want to talk about the process, and see if either one of us could learn from or teach each other something
Wearing the same outfit multiple times in a week.
Couldn't care less, I'll wear what I feel like and don't care if anyone doesn't like it
And anyone who keeps track of what you wear is just a jerk.
Load More Replies...I'd have to get fed fibre with a shovel to give any more shits if I wear the same outfit twice in a row. I don't pay that much attention to what others are wearing, so people can mind their own business. I do change my shirt everyday, considering I work in a thrift shop and I don't want to know what gets on my clothes. Sometimes I'm working in the trenches, sorting everything straight from the donation bags. What people deem as donatable is nasty.
News flash - unless you are a farmer or a garbage man this isn't cool for guys either. I'll often wear the same jeans more than once if it was clean work like sitting around an office but I still change my shirt / socks / underwear every day.
This doesnt imply your clothes smells/ is dirty. It implies that if people see you wearing the same sweater with same jeans on monday and friday they judge you for it. But my advice for this is, if they judge you for yoyr clothes they are not worth your time.
Load More Replies...I wear the same thing every time I go out idc. I don't go out often do it's always clean tho :)
If I like a pair of pants , I’ll go back and buy 2-3 more pairs of the same pants lol
yesss im in highschool and i see it all the time, dont care lol
You get to an age where you realize that not everyone notices you or pays any attention to what you wear, and if you want to wear the same outfit more than once a week, you will. My rule of thumb is: If I can’t remember if I wore it before, neither can anyone else.
I tried this once in my last job and not a dämn person noticed! It was great
Putting on weight
Omg, right? But we women can engage in criticism towards another woman with regards to putting on weight, too.
I guess some women. I just mind my business. Don't like it when people make snide comments on my body. So I don't do it to other people.
Load More Replies...Putting on weight when you’re underweight is healthy. And while I’m called “skinny” I actually have some fat on me. I want to get rid of it but my BMI is actually really healthy and my doctor agrees. No one has told me I’m fat, but the girls at my dance studio look unfortunately underweight. Of course, I have no place to judge. They’re mostly muscle and really good dancers! Strong, and healthy in that way at least
I find my mom’s baby pouch endearing, though she is considered slightly overweight because of health choices. WHATS NOT LOVABLE ABOUT CARRYING A TINY PERSON EH?? She already went through enough pain to have that child, leave her alone -_-
Load More Replies...That is a you problem. You are trying to please the society you live in. In Calabar Nigeria. Fat girls is what they like. Brides are sent into "fatting houses" to put on the right weight before marriage
Negotiate pay. Numerous scientific research studies have shown that even when male and female actors negotiate the same exact way (e.g., same verbiage, same voice inflections, etc.) study participants (regardless of gender) view the female negotiators more negatively.
Admittedly, I was always bad at this. However, my daughter really kicks a*s in this department and can negotiate her needs/wants really well.
You're possibly not bad at it---you just had to deal with sexist attitudes.
Load More Replies...I have seen men and women who wouldn't take no for an answer that got the best pays, I do think that women suffer more with it, but it is a very complex subject.
Tough. I'm going to negotiate the hell out of it. I ask other docs what they're making then I demand the same or more. And I'm very upfront about it. "Why do you want this job?" "I'm looking for a pay increase." If the company has a problem with that we're not a good fit.
Are they referring to studies that are all in US (for example)? And what about age of the participants? I'd be surprised if it's consistently like this across the world and across all demographics.
Fart and/or burp. Times 2 if at the same time.
Yes, and once you're a certain age, sometimes you pee yourself a little during the cough-fart XD
Load More Replies...My wife and I went to see the British comedian Miranda Hart a while back. She asserted that, once women are over the age of 35 (I think), it is impossible for them to pick anything up off the floor, or lean forward, without venting to the rear. When my wife reached that particular milestone, she proved the statement to be true. Or. Had Miranda just inadvertently given all women in the audience explicit permission to fart as much as they want once they reach a certain age? Like a secret plot - I was gonna say 'underground movement' but given the context...
Hubby doesn’t like if I fart (I’m at the end of menopause and I trumpet with the best) and yet when he does it it’s no big deal.😬
I felt so bad for the little boy who burped in the book store and his mom berated him for it, calling it disgusting.
I burp bc idc but fart I never do in public bc I feel like if anyone farts it’s embarrassing coming from a girl
Just tell them you took a screen shot when you do both at the same time. It's what I tell em.
Not if you’re me, trying to show off. I can use my throat muscles to swallow air and let out some earthquakes, no joke. Thought it does hurt. Somehow despite being raised with no male except my father, me and my sister are very outspoken and boyish. Or, I am. Doing it in front of people is embarrassing because it’s like “oh, I’m so sorry you had to hear that”
Load More Replies...Personally, I don’t want to be around anyone who farts and burps without consideration. I don’t care who you are, even my spouse, don’t deliberately belch or fart in public. Gross. And rude. Those things stink.
Make equal pay.
This should be at the top of this discussion. Women should not be penalized for interrupting their career in order to raise children. Someone has to raise the next generation. And yes, dads need to raise their children too.
I get what you're saying and I agree with it in principle. That said, if anyone takes a year (or several) off from work they can't expect to be on the same remuneration as a person who has continued to work that same time. The problem obviously becomes how do you deal with the children without taking time off work. Which in turn is what's leading to the massive increase in childcare costs.
Load More Replies...You do the job, you should get the pay. Male or female, black or white, gay or straight ,carbon-based or silicon-based, etc. etc.
Spot on. My three female fellow system administrators earn the same as me, a man, because that's the salary that goes with the job. Simple.
Load More Replies...Hopefully Jared is as young as he sounds - a kid without much knowledge of economics or math.
Load More Replies...I have been surprised to discover that it’s not 100% socially acceptable for women to continue working after having a baby while the babies father stays home. I’ve gotten more than a few negative comments about it. So has my partner. Did not expect that to still be an issue for people.
My mom would be upset when my ex wasn't working while I worked. His family was upset if I was staying at home while he worked. All this judgement has been one of the many reasons I stuck to one child.
Ah. Sorry for you. You probably felt out numbered.
Load More Replies...Did this 21yeqrs ago....when eldest was born, my husband stayed home with her until she was about 1 yr old. This was a financial decision that made most sense. I had a permanent position with good benefits, he was working contract to contract. Once my paid leave ended after 12 wks maternity, I went back to work....he stayed home. Got to really enjoy being with his baby girl. My workmates (all men) were, in equal amount, incredulous AND jealous! By time baby 2 came along, he was in the same company as me, maternity leave was much more generous, so I stayed home and he stayed in work. We've had the best of both options
I know a couple of stay-at-home dads. They seem content. Don't know if they get any flack, tho.
It's amazing how this is still a "surprising" thing. My bestie growing up had a stay-at-home dad. It was a little unusual (in that all our classmates had *both* parents working, so having a stay-at-home parent at all was unusual), but it wasn't to pearl-clutching levels. Oh, and this was between 1985 and 1990 when we got old enough for after school clubs and he got a part time job. Nearly 40 years, stay-at-home dad's are not a new concept.
My sister in law wanted a 3rd kid. She talked my brother into it by saying he could he the stay at home dad. He said cool. Even when he did work he was the one who cooked all the meals (he's an amazing cook). She is a doctor and he was working as a commercial lender at a bank and hated it.
Interestingly enough, there's a double standard about gender roles in general. It is absolutely okay for a man to be seeking a woman who wants children and subscribes to traditional gender roles. He is described as a "family man" or a guy with "good morals." On the flipside, if a woman says she is looking for a provider or someone who can offer financial stability, she is usually labeled a "gold-digger" or even lazy. (To be clear, I am not saying people should live by gender norms. I don't want kids, and I love working, and I get excited for my friends who want to raise families! I'm happy we have options!)
I've always thought the gold digger thing was literally because the money and possessions was more important than the relationship. Typically it was a woman who didn't actually like the man but just put up with him to get access to wealth. Nothing wrong with someone wanting stability and security if they actually care for the other person.
Considering in some societies (past and present) it was the best (only?) way for a woman to survive. If a woman couldn’t work, looking for a husband that provided stability and security was the same as a person wanting a stable and well paying job.
Load More Replies...Nothing wrong with wanting to be a stay-at-home parent, live child-free, be a working parent. It's okay to want any of those things. Just make sure you're finding someone with the same life goals to make it fair for everyone.
My husband and I were each married twice before & we both have grown children (I was even a grandmother when we met). Over the last 15 years, due to a chronic illness, our marriage has morphed into the 1950's norm - he works & makes all the money, and I basically do everything else. Yes, he is my sole financial provider. No, he cannot find the soy sauce in the pantry because apparently moving the turntable around has never occurred to him. It's not for everyone, but it works for us.
PS - no, I do not vacuum in heels & pearls while wearing an apron. Let's not go crazy here.
Load More Replies...I just want to meet a guy who shares my love for Jesus and is a good supporter. It’s one thing saying the basics of what you want. It’s not like I’m going to say every little detail of his personality that I’ll love so I don’t seem selfish or lazy. I genuinely don’t know what he’ll be like! I know he exists and that he’s a match for me tho, and when the time comes I’ll love him. Honestly, I think a guy looking for just a woman to do what’s considered a normal stay at home mom thing is the lazy one. They don’t like chores, they’d prefer being free while the woman is confined to the house to raise the children (except for errands)
F*****g drinking. Men can drink beer all day long and no one comments on it but if a woman has a glass of wine every night before bed or a couple beers when out with friends, she’s an alcoholic and a bad influence. I don’t even drink but Louisianans like to party so I know quite a few people who do and there are several of the women who are treated this way amongst our peers. It’s ridiculous.
If anyone is drinking beer all day long they have a problem. If you are not a close part of my life I probably won't comment but I'm going to think it.
One day, had an old friend over. It was a hot day and I just said "Oy, I need a beer." She scoffed and was like "Did you just say you need a beer? hahaha Men drink beer. Women drink wine. It's more feminine." OOooo hoity toity.
I'm d say this is more cultural than anything, generally in Scotland no one would bat an eye if a woman likes a drink as long as she isn't falling over drunk every night - same with guys
Technically the psychological definition of an alcoholic (check the current pdr, this may not still be true) is anyone who has more than 3 alcoholic beverages in a 7 day period, so do with that what you will lol
Given that criteria pretty much every person I've ever met is an alcoholic which is rather insane. I can go months without drinks then have a couple here and there over a week. That you could be considered an alcoholic if you have a glass of wine with dinner a few days a week seems extreme to me
Load More Replies...That's getting on for 12 units of alcohol a week, well above any recommended limit for a woman.
If someone is drinking alcoholic beverages everyday they are addicts, regardless of gender.
My family is in a community theatre group. During a production/stage design meeting, my husband picked up a staple gun and began playing with it, even shooting it toward someone's foot (intentionally missing, he's not trying to hurt anyone). He was surprised that the women and girls in the room were shocked by that behavior. "It was just FUN!" He said. I explained that women and girls are expected to be more mature. I explained that there's a prevailing view that girls mature faster than boys, but really it's just the expectation that we'll be better behaved. Turned the other way, we're simply not allowed to have that kind of "fun", nearly from birth. Boys are not only allowed to be rambunctious and wild, but are encouraged to do so. If a girl or woman is either, she's "undisciplined", "uncouth", or "out of control".
Yea I genuinely believe the reason that "women mature faster" is partially if not entirely due to social standards but I have no knowledge on it
I vividly remember being told to stop running around with the boys at a wedding because I was in a skirt. I was 9 years old. I didn’t choose to wear a skirt and I declared right then that I wanted to be a boy because they get to have fun and we don’t.
Load More Replies...Bad news for you: your husband was being "undisciplined", "uncouth", and/or "out of control".
I agree. How is it OK for ANYONE to fool around with a staple gun? Am I missing something here?
Load More Replies...That isn't some sexist opinion, it is science. But it applies to younger males / females. Your husband is presumably an adult and should know better. Even if not directly hurting anyone it leaves pointy bits of metal on the floor. .... "Scientists at Newcastle University in the U.K. have discovered that girls tend to optimize brain connections earlier than boys. The researchers conclude that this may explain why females generally mature faster in certain cognitive and emotional areas than males during childhood and adolescence." TLDR: I'd have a problem with that whether it was a man or a woman doing it.
Yes, the science bears this out for children under the age of eight. As boys catch up cognitively, there's no excuse for parents holding different maturity expectations for sons vs. daughters.
Load More Replies...TBH, if you've ever accidentally stapled your finger, then you'll know it's not a good idea to play around with staplers or staple guns, ffs. The women were absolutely justified in correcting that behavior. Plus, he's a grown a*s man, and should know better by ups age, (also) ffs.
I've admired all the fun and hijinx boys get to do, and then be able to laugh at their misfortunes. My mom is always like "Men are weird". While I'm like "Nah, that's awesome and looks like fun."
Serving yourself a mountain of food at dinner
Unless you're thin, then you can eat whatever the h*ll you want. But if you're even slightly chubby then come the comments.
honestly, idc atp. I told myself that food is the ONLY relationship i wouldn't EVER ruin.
I'm a total foodie. I will eat the pasta, that amazing steak, dessert if I'm in the mood etc. I'd rather be a little chubby and HAPPY than some size zero psycho who weighs her food.
I would like very much to ask you if any woman would ever date you. It would be horribly rude and mean of me to do so, however, so I will refrain.
Load More Replies...Being single in general i think is more socially acceptable for guys.
If a man is single, it's assumed that it's because he hasn't asked any one. If a woman is single, it's assumed that it's because no one has asked her.
As a single, never married 50+ woman ' oh, you'll find the right one'... not likely not looking not interested no no no. And then I get ' but it's so hard to be alone as a woman' better to be happy alone, than miserable with someone else. I'm very happy healthy and have adult neices and nephews who adore me...and my garden and books...no cats, yet
I think it's just the reverse. A woman single in middle age living by herself draws less suspicion than a single middle-aged man living by himself. It's too bad any time anyone is judged for being single.
Hmmm- I don't think that would be correct particularly if viewed from a historical perspective. Old maid, spinster, left on the shelf and all the other euphemisms for undesired women. It used to be a practice in large families to leave one girl unmarried, or not to worry if the 'plain' one didn't get a husband because she could be a built in nurse/babysitter/secretary/companion/hostess/and general housekeeper for anyone needing her services within her family - all unpaid of course. Whereas a single man was never left on the shelf, or a wallflower, or an old maid, he was considered a eligible no matter how old.
Load More Replies...Which society are we talking about here? I mean, who judges who on this?
Succeeding in life. Oftentimes, if you are a success at your job or whatever, people will ask if your dad helped you or if your boyfriend/husband helped you or if you're sleeping with your boss.
I've experienced this first hand.... working in heavy industry, all work mates male, all bosses in my area male, I got whispered about and outright accused to my face regarding "sleeping my way up"!!!! It's humiliating and demeaning. I got here by bloody hard work and not giving a f@*k about what men/boys think and do! Less trouble with it these days if I'm honest, but that's after 28 years there. I am known now for being dedicated to my role, and have become a "work mum" type person. Not complaining about that, it allows me to help people on a professional and sometimes personal level (so I've trained as a mental health first aider as I've become the person that is known to be safe to have a confidential chat with)
I don't think that succeeding at your job means succeeding in life, but I agree
Right? My WAY long ago ex accused me of sleeping with my boss when I got a promotion (I was only 18 and got the assistant manager of accounting position at Sears, Roebuck & Co.). Um - I went to college at 16 and my IQ was higher than his weight. I couldn't believe it. Like, have you actually SEEN Mr. Brady? Couldn't possibly be because I was (am) smart & capable & the best candidate for the job - oh, no!. He was a complete POS.
Really? I’ve never heard of the former two as being reason for success in real life (excluding the celebrity set, where nepotism is rife, and again, not real life for the majority of people). As for the latter, I’ve only ever known two women who people speculated over, and in fact they had both slept with the boss (and other execs). The other dozens of successful women I’ve worked with, no one ever questioned who helped them or who they slept with.
How do you know for sure? Did you ask them about their experiences? Maybe you’re assuming those other women never got demeaned.
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Being a less than perfect parent.
If you're a firm disciplinarian with your kids that means you're mean and controlling. It's ok for dads to be "strict" but moms are judged (usually by other moms). The same thing goes for moms that are too lenient (people laugh about dad letting little Suzie have ice cream for dinner) and anything else mom related in general.
I started rethinking religion when I read in the book of proverbs about how a good child is the father's pride while a bad child is a shame to their mother (paraphrasing) mothers are afraid of being called bad if the child becomes bad, and can't take credit for the child's good upbringing so they loose either ways, but a father can take the credit for the child's good upbringing and if the child turns out to be bad, he is not to be blamed. Too bad 😞😔
I asked my husband how often he questions and reevaluates his parenting. He said “oh, rarely”. I said “well, that’s a little bit more than my ‘every second of the day’ ”. (I should point out he is an excellent parent…but apparently the mental effort that goes into being so requires much less of him).
Half my family thinks I'm too strict. Half think I'm too lenient. I figure that means I'm doing OK.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't. #83 why I stuck with one kid. Did it, raised her, I'm still not free from criticisms.
My stepmother (of close to 50 years, and a total gift from whatever higher power is in charge) gave me permission to NOT take responsibility for the mistakes my teen/adult children made. I raised them the best I could, mostly on my own. My son CHOSE to start stealing cars, it was not a lack of my parenting skills because he definitely knew right from wrong. I will always be grateful to her for that. (And for her in general. I struck step-parent gold when I got her. My Dad's been gone since 2014 and we still talk & text at least 2x a week. She is literally my longest non blood related relationship and I treasure her friendship).
I have heard more the phrase "daddy issues" than "mommy issues", maybe that is a consequence of the problem, maybe that proof that you are wrong. Idk, just worth mentioning.
Weirdly, camping. I like to camp alone because it's very therapeutic. My family scowls when I talk about it. When husband camps alone, he gets pats on the back and survivalist discussions. When I do, people look at him like he's failing and I get comments on safety.
"Don't go hiking alone." "Don't go camping alone" "Don't go jogging alone" " Don't go downtown alone." What they mean "If something happens to you it's going to be your fault because you put yourself in that vulnerable situation knowing you have boobs and a vagina."
It's extremely unfair when someone blames a women for getting raped. "You shouldn't have been wearing those shorts". B******t.
Load More Replies...Not camping or hiking alone is just good sense, unless you have reliable communication and check in times with someone. Male or female. The wilderness is unpredictable. But most things should be normal to be done alone.
Thank you for saying this. I was turned off after that influencer was murdered by her partner. During the search they found like a dozen other bodies of various missing persons - a high percentage were campers (male and female). A couple years before there was also a little girl in Western Aus who was snatched from her tent (she was sleeping with her parents!). Luckily that story had a happy ending and she was not harmed. Still, I love camping but those stories have really gotten to me.
Load More Replies...For some reason this one isn't just speaking to me, it is shouting! Women are conditioned to feel vulnerable at all times, but especially when alone in nature where nobody can hear us if we scream...as if that really makes a difference. This is something men will never understand.
God, I get this ALL THE TIME and I hate it! My Mum literally made me take two rape alarms, a rape whistle and install a GPS app on my phone for her to track me when I went to Spain last month! To put that into context, my brother flew out there a month prior and didn't even send a text to let us know he'd gotten there safely til a week later - Mum was totally fine with it! WTF? (Btw, I'm 32)
Camping, hiking, traveling.. why is it weird or "dangerous" to go alone just because you don't have testicles?
Because it literally is sadly. Not that the camping, hiking or traveling parts are innately more dangerous. But the reality is predators (human ones) are more likely to view you as a potential target.
Load More Replies...People get really, really shocked when I mention that a friend and I rode from the south of Germany, to the North Sea and back again -- when we were 15/16. (Back in the 80's) "But what if something had happened to you???" If we'd been boys, that same trip would be judged as "Wow, look at what those boys did!" I did a lot of long rides when I was 16-20. A friend of mine, thinking it would be funny, sneaked up on me one night (I'd gone to a local bar to get a drink so he knew where I was camping before riding home the next day). He found out very quickly that A: I'm a light sleeper. B: my horse warned me, and C: A "helpless female" I was not. (I always carried a Bowie knife. Not for self-defense, but for cutting stuff that needed cutting, like ropes etc. It's not so funny when it's at your throat tho. (He apologized for not even considering that I might not find it funny and brought me breakfast in the morning.)
Women are indeed more vulnerable to an attacker and are indeed attacked more often, but when a man is attacked he will probably get seriously injured and killed more often.
Choosing to not marry or be child-free.
When Sally Rogers (on The D**k Van Dyke Show) was asked "You 've never been married?", she replied "No, I've always been happy."
I believe studies have shown (fact check me) that married men live longer than their single counterparts, but single women live longer than their married counterparts
Load More Replies...As a man, I have been pressured to get married and have kids since I got my first job, but maybe the pressure is a bit higher in women.
This! .. I get comments that I have commitment issues! .. it’s just something I don’t want!
Missing major family events like birthdays, games. Gatherings, graduation. If the dad is working it’s accepted. If a mother is working it’s neglect
It's still s****y to the kids and other parent that has to deal with the upset kids. I wish workplaces would take consideration to family priorities. Can't even get out of work for a child's medical appointments because it's not the employee's medical appointment. B******t. The better, more attentive, present parent you are the more your work sees you as an unreliable employee. The more you put work first, the more you miss out on what's important to your family. This is why I give no emotional investment in my job, and do not feel bad for moving on to another job if I need to. My mom, on the other hand, feels bad when she quits, especially if she got on well with the employer. Couldn't understand this.
This. My husband and I don't have kids, but we have nephews. One is having a birthday in a couple weeks. We both turned down the birthday invitation because I'll away at work. He'll be starting a new job. So who got yelled at by every family member? Me. Because im not willing to back out of a rotation for my nephews birthday (and my own, several days after that), but it's OK for my husband to miss out while he takes on a seasonal position to make a few extra bucks.
Talk directly and assertively. Have opinions ( in general), especially ideas to improve a process or function that isn't related to housecleaning and child rearing. Join men conversing about scientific, mechanical, or computing/technology. Sleep with someone who you aren't married to. Wear practical clothes or have short hair. Skip makeup. Disagree with a male coworker, especially if a supervisor.
Cheating on your spouse is totally unacceptable and grounds for a divorce. Period.
I interpreted that as premarital sex, not cheating
Load More Replies...Had a coworker who constantly "stole" other employees ideas and passed them off as his own. He was a bully, so no one ever called him on it. Um, bullsh*t. I told him about an idea I had to streamline our inventory process & outlined it in an email. I knew exactly what he was going to pull, so at the next Manager's meeting he speaks up with "his" great new idea. I interjected with, "Uh, excuse me Steve - don't you mean MY great new idea?" He just stared at me and kind of sputtered. I walked around the table and handed him, all 12 managers AND the company President a copy of the email I had sent him, including his response to me - dated about a week prior. He ended up getting transferred to our LEAST popular warehouse in Boise, Idaho. I got a raise.
Yes, this always causes a mindfuck with males. I've always been unafraid to speak up around men.
When we got married, I was in the dining room with some other women talking computers. My new husband and FIL were in the kitchen doing dishes. FIL says, "damned women's lib." Husband laughs.
The only point I'd have any issue with is disagreeing with a supervisor. Frankly unless there is a really good reason why would have argue with them? They're the boss, if they ask me to do something I'm gonna do it unless it's going hurt someone, cost a heap of money or it's illegal. If I think it's a bad idea I might ask them to confirm they want me to do it (in writing ideally) but I'd still do it.
I work as a safety engineer and I don't speak up unless there's something wrong. Might not be my boss ( but it has been, too). When people's lives are on the line, I don't sit down and shut up, not for anyone. (Fortunately, where I work now, they approve of that thinking and I haven't been asked to do so yet after more than nineteen years--but I sure as heck remember).
Load More Replies...Getting sweaty besides at the gym.
After menopause my body odor got so intense I couldn't stand to be around myself! I tried many, many different antipersperants - even those very pricey from health food stores. I finally went on line and found one I could make myself w/4 ingredients. SAVED!!!!
I get, must be that time of life.. Nope, I've always been someone who's body runs hot...back off...we are HUMANS , we all sweat
I don't mind working hard, but I HATE to sweat - I just think it's gross. Duh, it's a totally natural thing, but I didn't really like having periods either.
I have hyper hidrosis. I sweat most of the time. I sweat all over. I’m past menopause. I carry packets of tissues and have a fan in my hand no matter the weather. I have a pixie cut so I can dry quickly and I’ve got used to many people frowning at me because I look like a wet rag. Not fun.
We all sweat. Far as I can tell only women get shamed for it. And "special products" for example for "belly sweat". * I'm not talking about 2 day old sweat when you haven't had a shower. Just normal sweating at the gym. Some made up "belly sweat" and tried to sell pads for that.
Showing any emotion other than happiness, love, or sadness. Or conversely, displaying no emotions, because in women it's seen as being angry, upset, or aggressive.
I especially remember as a child it wasn't acceptable to be anything but pleasantly compliant. Anger, sadness -- forget it.
Same. Parents banned crying. I got anger issues, so they banned anger. Now they wonder why I don’t talk to them when I have a bad day or have a problem. My mom even gets annoyed that I’m disconnected from her. She got therapy and has been working on herself a bit after realizing me and my sisters’ relationship with her was on a thread. But honestly, mine broke and I don’t love her anymore.
Load More Replies...Ever been told to calm down when feeling "overly excited". Happens to me all the time. They can't handle this jelly.
Seems bring sad or upset in general is frowned upon for both genders Men=crying isnt manly Women=overly emotional Its f****d up
Sitting with their legs spread. Taking up space. Drink in public. Dress any way they want without be accused of “asking for it” or “attention seeking”, be direct, not smile…
Ugh. My mom just told me this. There is literally no one else in the room, and when I asked why, she said, "You don’t want to look like a whore."
Did you point out that unless she can read your mind, there's no way for her to know that that's not exactly what you're trying to look like? Follow me for more awesomely bad advice. /j
Load More Replies...I have tapped men on the leg sitting next to me in meetings to let them know I’m not appreciating their spread. They adjust their legs. I’ve never been challenged. I think 99% of the time they think women will adjust so it isn’t “a thing” for them. I’m certain men are not sitting knee to knee in meetings. Maybe at sporting events it’s allowed? There is plenty of as* slapping during sporting events…
There is a difference between having the knees a little apart, and spreading out over two or three seats in public, specially when others need to sit also. And, while nobody is physically stopping us from spreading our legs, the lesson not to is given to us so very many times over the years, from parents and family, friends and teachers, even random strangers think it appropriate to comment on any behaviour or look they want to
Load More Replies...Disagree with an opinion.
Yeah. I've noticed people really piling it on, especially on social media. You should be able to engage in honest discourse w/o people getting nasty or downvoting you simply because your opinion differs from theirs.
There are some opinions that deserve downvoting though. If you make a racist statement with zero context for example. If it's a normal discussion, even a contentious but thoughtful point it doesn't deserve it though.
Load More Replies...These days no one is allowed to have their own opinion if it's a different one, it is getting like this to everyone, not just women
I don't think that is correct. I'M KIDDING! I respect any gender's opinion as long as it is backed up with facts and not "someone told me..."
Or people who get "offended" by your opinion. Guess what? No one cares. You being offended doesn't affect me in any way, shape or form. Be offended, wallow in it, swim in it, until your fingers get pruney. I don't f*cking care. I have every right to my opinion, as do you. The fact that we don't agree doesn't make either of us right or wrong - it makes us DIFFERENT.
Women can't disagree with an opinion? This will be news to my wife!
Be unable to change a diaper.
It's like being cast away with your pal, and he develops an acute appendix. You can tell yourself that you can't do it, you just can't, but you know that, eventually, you're gonna have to go in there and just do what you can.
Even at the hospital it was always me that was expected to do the diaper changes. My bf (dad) wasn't even allowed to stay the night and help out because the dad was considered a "visitor". If we had a private room, which were booked full, he would've been able to stay.
Who makes it to adulthood being unable to change a diaper? Not unwilling - actually unable - who is otherwise capable of toileting themselves? Same thing different undies…what’s the issue here? Are we talking about doing it *well* or being practiced? Different. Unable to remove dirty diaper, remove things from baby body to make it cleaner, then replace with a new diaper in a relatively similar configuration as the previous…is that what the ask is here? Who isn’t doing it is very different from who can’t do it.
Where is this true? In the USA I have been present for several births in a couple of states. Once the baby is delivered and settled, it seems to be SOP that a person comes around and covers the basics - especially for first time mothers of course. How to properly latch for breastfeeding, how to change diapers, basic bathing / care and so on. And they make it a point to ask if you have questions. No judgement - just helpful advice.
I believe they’re referring to women who haven’t had children. I’m a 47 year old woman who’s never changed a diaper, some people are surprised when they find out.
Load More Replies...Don’t let me change a diaper. I always do it wrong. Ask my sister instead. She’s a pro
Going to offer a different perspective, here: I used to run new parents groups, as my job, which 99% of the time was just mothers (dads were back at work), as well as participated in several myself with my 3 children. The amount of husband criticism I would hear was utterly astounding: “He couldn’t even put the nappy on properly so made him wash all the sheets”, “he made so much noise when he came home he woke the baby up”, “he didn’t know how to give the baby the bottle properly”, “he doesn’t get up with me for all the night feeds” (this guy climbed trees and used chainsaws 6 days a week for work). Can you imagine a husband bitching to his friends about these things of his wife who was a new mother?
Sexual promiscuity. Normal bodily functions. Putting their career before their family/not wanting a family. Not wanting to have children. Not wanting marriage. Being single in general - “when are you going to find a nice man?” 
On the children one: there's nothing wrong with wanting to have kids, but a lot of people just assume that I would want to be a mother, or act like we should be trying to have kids despite fertility issues in the marriage. Never mind the utter irresponsibility of bringing a child you don't actually want into an overpopulated world full of kids who already exist and need homes, just because it's what you're "supposed" to do, and "you'll feel differently about children if it's your kid." Only people who actually want kids should be having them. That's a life-long commitment that society takes WAY to lightly. Maybe more people should be childless so we can get our own population under control and create a better world for future generations.
Still wondering who all those right wing abortion opponents are gonna pay for 'dem babies nobody wanted. AND, your medical insurance will pay for Viagra, but not birth control pills? Seriously, WTF?
I have been in a relationship with a man for 39 years this year. Never married. Never had kids. I tell people we didn’t want to rush into anything and are still deciding.
Going shirtless.
People (especially Americans) need to learn to see a woman's body as something other than sexual. Go to a fine art museum. The nudity there is not sexual.
I was going to post this if it wasn't here.. And why is it so low? To me this is #1 in the category of being in control of my own body. How is it that women are the majority of the population and our bodies are controlled every day by the minority?
Why does anyone go shirtless, that’s my question. Same thing with body hair for me and my sister: WHY IS THAT LADY WEARING A SEE-THROUGH TOP & THAT GUY IS NAKED HE’S NOT WEARING A SHIRT
It's not against the law in NY or Oregon. Portland used to have an annual naked bike riding day pre-covid.
It's rather dangerous to ride a bike without shoes on.
Load More Replies...My hubby was concerned because I took off my t-shirt in the desert yesterday. There was another car nearby. I thought I'd been bitten by something and I wanted to shake out my shirt. They were welcome to look at me in my old-lady bra because first aid comes first.
Or even braless. Damn I hate my bra! Most of the time I work from home- so no bra. America 50/50 on if you can get away with the no bra. Was recently in a Muslim country. No way I would go out without a bra. Now I know why women burned them in the 60's.
Body hair, asking for help with chores, saying no to sex, and not wanting children
Men can't ask for help too if the chore is viewed as manly, just take advice. And if a man say no to sex with a woman literally everyone will be sure he is gay, from the woman to their little brother to his grandma. It must be misspell, or say your reasons.
Weaponized incompetence, walking out on their families, mansplaining. There are so many things
There's nothing acceptable for either sexes to walk out on their family just because they "just feel like it".
Normally, yes. But having grown up in a dysfunctional family with a violent father, I think we would have been better off if he walked out.
Load More Replies...There are single moms everywhere whose husbands or partners just "couldn't handle it" and moved on, and somehow this has become an accepted part of society.
These things are not acceptable in men. Men may do them more, but they don’t do these things without judgment. These three particular things are not about men, they are about the specific man that does them, and generally he’s a terrible person. Being a self-absorbed, self-important, condescending jackass is not gender-based. And women should not strive to be like this.
Nipple display
Apparently men really can't disassociate sex with women's breasts. A big example of this was when a women's soccer-football team won a championship. One of the players took off her jersey, but kept her sports bra on, and her nipples were sorta prominent but not super scandalous. The comments on Twitter I regrettably read and they were disgusting. No one was talking about how excited she was nor congratulating the team on winning (except my bf, who genuinely watches both his favourite men's and women's teams). Everyone else was making pervy remarks on her breasts and body. Some were angry she took off her shirt when the men's players do that all the time. A few were pointing out the double standard. It's breasts. Some men have them. You see nipples every day in the mirror.
And there are plenty of men whose nipples you can see outlined or poking out underneath their shirts. Yet I never seem to hear anyone complain about that (nor should I- they can't help it either). Shouldn't be any different for women.
Load More Replies...I once had a man tell me I should wear a padded bra because my nipples were making him stare and his girlfriend was giving him grief !’!,..?
Very much this. Sexualising breasts in the first place is odd considering what they’re designed for. I know it’s going to take time to change this and it won’t happen overnight. And if I can control my lusty thoughts around a shirtless male then surely folks can do the same for women if they choose to be shirtless.
You can display what you like, male or female. I can see any of it pickled in a jar at a medical school.
This is a big one. Men have nipples too, why should it be any different? In my hometown they made it legal, but I still rarely go shirtless because of the reactions
But men's nipples are nonfunctional. Women's nipples feed babies. That's why women's nipples are so naughty. We don't want the baby to see such filth! Seriously, I think it's got a lot to do with the whole mommy issue insecure men often have. And insecure people are often the loud, stupid wheels that squeak enough to get the grease (attention and laws).
Load More Replies...Pîss off back to your musty basement ya fricking moldy tellytubby mommy says your fish sticks are ready and you can bring them down to share with your Nami body pillow
Load More Replies...Scratching or adjusting their privates
It's rarely scratching - almost always adjusting. It comes with the territory of having your bits on the outside. The equivalent for women is adjusting your bras. I can go to any mall or other public place and see women adjust their bras. Just like the guys you try to be subtle about it and just like for the guys people still notice. I've also watched women trying to "de-floss" their butts - specially with the popularity of thongs. But that one not as often.
Bras can be so annoying -- my straps almost never stay up! On another note -- a big memory regarding my dad is him vigorusly scratching his nuts. And I do mean vigorusly! Mom -- never scratched anything below the waist. Rest in peace Mom. Rest in peace Dad. And on ANOTHER note -- it's never acceptable to scratch your bunghole in public.
Load More Replies...I adjust my bra all the time. I don't care anymore. Bras are often rigged with an uncomfortable underwire that digs into your ribs and armpit. I have markings all around under my breasts from my bras. Breasts are soft and move around a lot in our bras. Nipples chafe. I hate it. They itch, get hot, fall out. You could go to a professional bra fitter, spend a lot of money on a "good, well-fitted" bra, but it still won't fit that comfortably and lose it's shape after one wash.
I have given up on bras. I just use sports bras/tops. They are quite unflattering, and I don't care, they keep my boobs in place, nothing chafes or digs or marks anymore
Load More Replies...Be honest, ladies: Do we WANT to walk around scratching ourselves between our legs or adjusting our breasts? This one is dumb. I don’t think anyone considers it “acceptable” for men to scratch, touch, or grab themselves in public, at the gym, or even sitting on the couch at home with their families. No one likes that. And no woman should be trying to be like that.
Talk about their sex life or how promiscuous they are. Doing DIY, or lifting anything heavy.
lmao "Bethany what did you d this weekend?" "well Clare i was quite promiscuous and painted my bedroom." *Bethany has the O: face*
Load More Replies...My doctor... telling me I should go swimming for some exercise. (I had high BP) My response was "Should I do that before or after I go see my horse?" and her going "Riding isn't really cardio...blah blah blah" My response? "Right. So, after I muck out the stable, cart two 50l buckets of water to the stable (at the same time I might add, easier!), heave the haynet I was soaking out of the water (no mean feat), go fetch my horse, groom the horse, saddle the horse, ride for 2 hrs in the woods on a horse who thinks "walk" is beneath him, then untack, clean the tack, put the horse up for the night -- I should go swimming?" Her face was an absolute picture. "You carry 2x 50l water buckets???" Well, duh. Same thing at work. I was carting a heavy printer down the stairs and all the guys came running about "You shouldn't lift that!" and I'm like "Weighs less than my horse's hay net, what's your problem?"
If that's what you want OP, go for it. Go lift something heavy. Good grief, what is the point of that
Letting herself go. It’s socially acceptable for a man to have a “dad bod” or be chubby, but once a woman does this, she gets called endless insults. Men get praised for sleeping with multiple women, if a woman sleeps with multiple guys she’s deemed a s**t, whore, etc.
Only in douchebag circles and frat houses (pretty much the same thing). Outside of movies I have never heard men praised or admired for bragging about who they 'banged'.
Are these men deemed sluts or promiscuous, or is it just "not being praised"?
Load More Replies...Men that show off with how many women they slept with aren't that popular outside of that same group either
'Men get praised for sleeping with multiple women'. REALLY? S***, why did no-one tell me this before?! I coulda been a star! I coulda been SOMEONE!
As "white knight" as this will come off, any trades job. Mechanic, plumber, carpenter, etc... A lot of people immediately assume it's a man's job that a woman absolutely knows nothing about
I knows absolutely nothing about it. We used to have a female fix-it woman in this town with her various crew. She could do ANYTHING. She's retired now. So sad. She was the best
I used to love working on my car back in the day, when everything didn't need to be put on the computer. Cars are more complicated now.
Women doing tec jobs or anything STEM related, having more money then their husband or being the main provider for the family, being better at sports/weight lifting, playing dungeons and dragons, playing computer games or any other type of games, playing to rough with kids, being a lawyer/police officer/fireman, owning property and asking the husband to marry her rather than just waiting for him to ask the woman.
I absolutely love playing dnd! And I'm one of the two girls in our club!
I'm not sure if women are making inroads into STEM jobs nowadays; when I got my engineering degree I was one of two women in my class. There ARE women in STEM jobs, don't get mse wrong, but I think women still lag behind men in this regard. For example, recently a report put out by the Irish govt. showed that there is still a huge gender disparity in STEM careers, and they didn't know why. I have some reasons why. Discrimination and sexism, mysogeny, etc. do play a role
Walk alone at night in many places. Which is actually not be scared that you’re going to get raped. Not saying that men don’t get raped. I’m saying that it’s not something men worry about when walking alone.
that's just statistics. I have to assume there are WAY fewer male gay rapists in the world than male heterosexual rapists. Even before you get into physical strength to defend yourself and so on. We can still get mugged or murdered but odds of their being a gay rapist in any alley are (I assume) extremely small.
Rape is an act of violence, there are heterosexual men who rape men too.
Load More Replies...I'm afraid of walking alone at night where I live. Anyone see that new series on Amazon Prime called The Power? Those gals don't have to be afraid. Just fantasy, but wouldn't that be nice?
I've walked in my neighbourhood at all hours of the night. Sometimes I need to walk because my legs get restless. Never felt less safe than during the day. I find it hard to believe some creep is waiting for hours and hours behind bushes, among spiders, mosquitoes, canker worms and June bugs, for a female to come waltzing by. That's just me, though.
it's not safe for anyone to walk at night wtf are you talking about? I carry four knives on me at all times because it's not safe.
Disagree without apology
Naming a kid after yourself.
and then you get stuff like Nigel Lawson naming his daughter NIGELLA Lawson, and it's just. why don't you just admit you were disappointed you had a girl?
Sex.women get called s***s
I know. There is no gender-equivalent epithet for men that conveys what s**t does for women.
The way we sit. Men take up more physical space than women typically do with the way legs are positioned.
I don't buy it that men need "need" more space. Who is the main designer of buses, trains, etc.? Men. If men actually needed more space, believe me, seats would be designed that way. What happens when men are sitting side by side on buses or trains? Why, it turns out that they can sit with their legs together. Manspreading only seems to be a problem when sitting next to women. Manspreading is blatantly sexist. An easy test to determine what is sexist, men, ask yourself "Would I do/say/act like this to a man?" If the answer is "No," guess what, it's sexist.
No idea why anybody downvoted you! You should have ALL the upvotes! That is an excellent observation! Men simply do not manspread against other men on the bus. I can agree that men might need a little more space, but there id a huge difference between keeping the knees a little apart, and taking up two or three seats
Load More Replies...There is the point that we men have to avoid squeezing some very sensible parts though. Of course it isn't necessary to spread the legs as wide as possible
As answered above. There is a need for this. The alternative is to keep having to adjust genitals. Or to suffer discomfort. There is a car called the Vauxhall Insignia which is commonly known as a ladies car, because the driver's legs have to stay too close together for comfort. Besides, no one is stopping women from sitting with their legs open.
See, due to anatomy, it makes way more sense for women to wear trousers and men to wear skirts. However women would have too much freedom in trousers eg no need to ride side saddle, easy to ride a bike, climb trees etc etc
Load More Replies...Take charge of a chaotic situation
This! And if you do, your bf/husband will get offended since you somehow stepped on their toes, even though they just sat there. Unless it's about kids ofc.
Look, i don't care what gender you are or consider yourself to be, if you look like you know what you're doing when the s*** hits the fan, i'm taking your orders.
Everything but give birth. Well except women are considered chattel by many states so giving birth is actually unacceptable but required.
Don't really agree with this statement. It seems unreasonably harsh and false.
The statement isn't unreasonably harsh, the law in many states in the US is. One example, the 10-year-old rape victim who had to go to another state: https://time.com/6198062/rape-victim-10-abortion-indiana-ohio/
Load More Replies...Having multiple sex partners or flirt with who ever they want!
I looove flirting! Not the "get in my bed!" kind but the "I am just having fun and enjoying the positive feedback of another fun person " kind.
Publicly proposing/getting on a knee with a ring
Tend to agree. Painting her into a corner. Say yes, or look cruel/heartless.
Load More Replies...Yeah. This is definitely a stereotype. I wonder how men feel about it?
Being highly competitive or trying to one-up others.
I think girls can be just as competitive as boys, perhaps stereotypically in different arenas though.
I hate it. Unfortunately I grew up around it and now my SO gets offended. Not by other guys. It's hard to navigate when I'm expected to blush and giggle, and when it's ok to be me.
I don't think being competitive is appealing in anyone, to be honest. I don't see it as a positive trait. do your best. it's not about beating other people, it's about achieving the best you can. if you get off on being better than someone else, that's toxic, to me.
Cursing is frowned upon when either gender does it, but it is more expected and accepted when men do it.
Working out. I dunno why guys don't like a strong woman, but there's a lot of hate for female bodybuilders for some reason
There's a lot of hate for male body builders, too. Anytime it's extreme there's hate. But when it comes to general fitness, I've heard men going gaga over things like abs and biceps and tone.
Doesn't even have to be hate, just "not attracted". Everyone has the right to be attracted to the physical attributes they're attracted to. Just not the right to dictate them. As for female bodybuilders, once they get really huge it's probably because they start to look too masculine. So the typical straight man is (a) intimidated and (b) thinks they look like a guy.
Load More Replies...Pee standing up.
I had a female friend who had been in the forces. She had trained herself to pee standing up. A lot of practicing in the shower apparently…
It is absolutely possible! Lots of practicing, true! The trick is putting two fingers between the lips as if whistling to stear the aim. And a pantyliner in place to catch the last dribble
Load More Replies...Spitting.
I hate it when guys do this too. Don't see women spitting much in public, tho.
Have their bare chest out in the open in a public place
Let's be honest. There's more than a few men who go with bare chests in public, and we'd all rather that they didn't.
Not anymore but when I first got into horror stuff people really had a problem with a girl getting into those types of things. It was weird for guys but even more so for women. It is kind of cool now that people are much more accepting of it then they used to be even if they aren't also into it.
90% of the things men do.
Being successful.
At one point in our relationship my wife was making more money than me. I was just let go of my job and working temp jobs. It didn't bother me one bit. The money was taking care of us. It wasn't her money or my money it was OUR money.
My wife always made more money than me. I blushed every time I went to the bank.
Load More Replies...Be goofy by like, eating tacos and chicken nuggets.
Nobody mentioned aging, or it being acceptable to be in a relationship with someone younger than you. Wrinkles make men 'distinguished', apparently, but according to society wrinkles just make women look ugly.
Yeah, I was having a conversation with my daughter about this today. Women are expected to do what they can to cover any signs of tiredness and wrinkles. Men can just let their aging faces shine. However, I explained to her we need wrinkles so our faces can emote, and the wrinkles are badges of all those emotions we've had throughout our life. Those commercial actors in anti-aging cream commercials don't look any more attractive because they don't move their face muscles the whole time. Just look stone-faced stiff. It's sad.
Load More Replies...Personal story here :P I've been talked down to for asking for a feminine product in public. I just stated that I need a pad and everyone gave me disgusting looks immediately. I get that's it's not normal but it was an emergency. Guess I know the "rules" now
I don't let anyone dissuade me from discussing and bringing up the mental cycle. It's a part of being born with a uterus, and just because half the population lacks one doesn't mean we can't show basic decency and acknowledge the annoyances that come with them. I will not cater to a society that wants us to suffer in silence.
Load More Replies...Raising your voice. In men, it's just them being loud. Women, it's "why can't you keep a nice voice". Well, someone just left a huge puddle of cat barf on the floor, so yeah, I'm gonna yell a little!
12 year olds are hearing these things for the first time right here, and now they're going to carry it on in the next generation. I'm in my 30s and haven't thought twice about most of these things that I allegedly cannot do as a woman. Please ignore these, kids, and build a better tomorrow!
These articles perpetuate outdated, sexist social norms. Even if you disagree with it, these posts leave a memory, which perpetuates it. A good portion of these I've never heard of or assumed simply didn't apply any more, but now I'm going to have it in the back of my head. And I'm only a millennial. A lot of teenagers read BP and are growing up in an even fairer world, but now articles like these full of some people's sexist opinions are poisoning the next generation. You could have atleast called it, "Outdated Sexist social norms from the 20th century and early 21st. " Let's all move on from this rubbish and let the young people of today build a fairer world.
Be thankful that you've not been in a position to hear most of these prior. Most of them are still very much a thing. It's getting better, yes, but ignoring the problem doesn't make it go away.
Load More Replies...Nobody mentioned aging, or it being acceptable to be in a relationship with someone younger than you. Wrinkles make men 'distinguished', apparently, but according to society wrinkles just make women look ugly.
Yeah, I was having a conversation with my daughter about this today. Women are expected to do what they can to cover any signs of tiredness and wrinkles. Men can just let their aging faces shine. However, I explained to her we need wrinkles so our faces can emote, and the wrinkles are badges of all those emotions we've had throughout our life. Those commercial actors in anti-aging cream commercials don't look any more attractive because they don't move their face muscles the whole time. Just look stone-faced stiff. It's sad.
Load More Replies...Personal story here :P I've been talked down to for asking for a feminine product in public. I just stated that I need a pad and everyone gave me disgusting looks immediately. I get that's it's not normal but it was an emergency. Guess I know the "rules" now
I don't let anyone dissuade me from discussing and bringing up the mental cycle. It's a part of being born with a uterus, and just because half the population lacks one doesn't mean we can't show basic decency and acknowledge the annoyances that come with them. I will not cater to a society that wants us to suffer in silence.
Load More Replies...Raising your voice. In men, it's just them being loud. Women, it's "why can't you keep a nice voice". Well, someone just left a huge puddle of cat barf on the floor, so yeah, I'm gonna yell a little!
12 year olds are hearing these things for the first time right here, and now they're going to carry it on in the next generation. I'm in my 30s and haven't thought twice about most of these things that I allegedly cannot do as a woman. Please ignore these, kids, and build a better tomorrow!
These articles perpetuate outdated, sexist social norms. Even if you disagree with it, these posts leave a memory, which perpetuates it. A good portion of these I've never heard of or assumed simply didn't apply any more, but now I'm going to have it in the back of my head. And I'm only a millennial. A lot of teenagers read BP and are growing up in an even fairer world, but now articles like these full of some people's sexist opinions are poisoning the next generation. You could have atleast called it, "Outdated Sexist social norms from the 20th century and early 21st. " Let's all move on from this rubbish and let the young people of today build a fairer world.
Be thankful that you've not been in a position to hear most of these prior. Most of them are still very much a thing. It's getting better, yes, but ignoring the problem doesn't make it go away.
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