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Giant Sinkhole Opens Up In South Dakota, People Go Inside It To Investigate And The Pics Go Viral
Giant Sinkhole Opens Up In South Dakota, People Go Inside It To Investigate And The Pics Go Viral
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Giant Sinkhole Opens Up In South Dakota, People Go Inside It To Investigate And The Pics Go Viral

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About a dozen houses in Black Hawk, South Dakota, were evacuated after a sinkhole opened under the Hideaway Hills development. The ground started to give way on the 27th of April and while it has left a lot of uncertainty for the locals, the situation has led to a unique discovery. The residential homes were built over an abandoned gypsum mine.

The authorities are already trying to figure out how this could’ve happened but in the meantime, explorers of a local caving group called Paha Sapa Grotto decided to take a look inside.

More info: pahasapagrotto.org | Facebook

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    The Paha Sapa Grotto is a subchapter of the National Speleological Society and is a world leader in caving science, exploration, and conservation. “When we heard about the sinkhole, we knew it was on a geological unit that could potentially have caves in it,” Nick Anderson, a member of Paha Sapa Grotto, told Bored Panda. “We also knew that county emergency management wouldn’t have much experience in this area so we offered to help to determine the scope of the problem.”

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    Image credits: Dan Austin/Paha Sapa Grotto

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    “Upon entering, we immediately realized that it was an abandoned gypsum mine and not a cave”

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    “The room we entered was 15 feet tall and 60 feet wide. We got a quick look around and exited”

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    The leader of the team that went into the cave was the Vice-Chairman of the Paha Sapa Grotto, and the Director of the National Speleological Society (NSS), Adam Weaver.

    “On the assessment trip, I went out there with Nick Anderson and Dave Springhetti. When we got to the site, the roads were buckled and the guy who lived in the house next to the sinkhole, John, nicely told us to park further away because we just didn’t know what was happening yet,” Weaver explained. “After some general looking around, we found a fence that seemed sturdy enough to rig the rope to and I rappelled into the hole. These photos you saw of me on the rope are from that initial rappel. When I got to the bottom, I could see 80ft into a large cavity that was at that point under the street. I stopped going forward because the sidewalk and street were bent down and cracked.”

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    However, it’s important to remember that at this point, Paha Sapa Grotto still thought it might be a cave, so Weaver was pretty excited to make a big discovery. “When Doug from emergency management showed up, I told him that we could safely go in if they could pull the cracked concrete off of the hole. Soon, they had a piece of machinery there and with the sidewalk gone, we felt much safer about going in. Nick, Dave, and I went in, and it was immediately obvious that it was a mine. There were a lot of drill holes and old mining debris. On this first visit, I made a quick sketch map of what we could see (about 500ft of mine) and then took it to show the people on the surface. I think that’s when the severity of the issue really set in with a lot of people. I also told them that I would come back with two teams the following day and bring correct gear to correctly map it,” the caver said.

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    The cavers returned the next night. This time, there were two teams of explorers, equipped with survey gear and ready to map the mine

    Image credits: Dan Austin/Paha Sapa Grotto

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    “We determined that the mine was over 2K feet across and over 150 feet wide. It went directly under at least 12 homes”

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    However, even the Paha Sapa Grotto couldn’t safely explore all of the corners of the sinkhole

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    “The full extent of the mine is still unknown as passages are either collapsed in, flooded, or too dangerous to enter”

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    The sad part about this is that the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) said the residents won’t be getting any of its grants. “Unresolved issues regarding whether this is a natural event, the likelihood of negligence, and the duplication of federal benefits” make the community ineligible at this time for the specific Hazard Mitigation Grant Program that Meade County had planned on applying for.

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    Residents of the Hideaway Hills subdivision are suing South Dakota, Meade County, and developers of the subdivision for more than $75,000,00

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    The lawsuit on behalf of 119 homeowners also includes counts against title companies involved in sales of the homes, attorneys for previous owners, and real estate agents who sold the homes

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    The residents are seeking more than $35,000,000 in compensatory damages, $40,000,000 in exemplary damages, and “such other relief as the court deems equitable”

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    Here’s what people said about the whole ordeal

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    Jerry Oary
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Now everyone understands what the realtor meant he/she said the house had some " miner" problems.

    Bacony
    Community Member
    5 years ago

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    Lack of understanding satire? More like lack of understanding saltire, because that comment's making me cross.

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    Mshauri Mazuri
    Community Member
    5 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I was a bit fine when I read it was an old mine until I saw the old car. The developers didn't even bother to pick that up. Are they hoping it will help to strengthen the foundation on the whole village? The developers clearly thought that since this is an abandon mine, why don't they just built a house on top of it. Clearly a case of greedy corporation.

    RitaGG
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Agreed. Builder should pay for this lazy workmanship.

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    Mark Fuller
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Ok, feel for those that were affected. But so cool! Just needs some dry ice and weird alien type eggs. Or is that just me? Hmmmm. Note to self: keep thoughts inside.

    Andrew Sepulveda
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I find it hard to believe that no one knew about the old mine shaft. There are records at city hall.

    RonKendall48
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Whoever originally bought the land should have known.

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    Marcellus II
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So the developer had to choose between building on top of a mine (not something stable like a granite quarry, but brittle gypsum), and building atop an Indian burial ground... They went for the least worst option.

    Don Powell
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Somebody is gonna pay for that mess. The hard part will be determining exactly where and if a cover up took place.

    Silke
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Meade County [is planning on a federal bailout] to buy out sinkholed homes at 75% of their pre-doomsday appraised value... https://dakotafreepress.com/2020/05/15/meade-county-officials-including-three-future-legislators-knew-black-hawk-development-was-on-holey-ground/

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    Tracey Hirt
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The recurring nightmare I have where the earth opens up and randomly swallows me as I’m driving just came flooding back! 😳🥺

    Lynda Momalo
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sinkholes creep me out too! I don't have nightmares but . . . shudder.

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    Liz Karsa
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Hopefully the homeowners are compensated and are able to move/set up elsewhere with success. In saying that..this is incredibly cool!

    Hans
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Many regions have undocumented mines, which can essentially be a timebomb. The US-side to this story is that directly the homeowners are massively suing anyone who could have been remotely connected to this, and claiming obviously much more than the worth of the home and the belongings. This just feels odd from the European perspective. Over here, you would have building insurance and very likely also a household contents insurance, which would routinely cover such a case. They might seek compensation againsst whoever grossly negiently ignored the old mine, but this is no concern for the house owner. To me this seems much more reasonable than to open dozens of lawsuits, hoping to make extra money from a personal desaster (losing owns home).

    Country Nana
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Well, Hans, the compensation they're asking for doesn't appear to nearly cover the cost of not only the homes. Add to that the damage done to personal property, which most people lose money on because it's not until months or years later that they realize they lost certain items (and the heartbreak of losing, say, an heirloom), they have to find new places to live in a hurry, pay moving costs at least once, repair possessions broken or water-damaged in addition to months of psychotherapy for their PTSD which resulted from having their home - their safe haven - turn into a trap. Also, most insurance companies in the US only pay the original cost of possessions, unless someone takes the time to record every item in their home and take it to be appraised.

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    Stick Man
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If this was a mine other than gyp. They may have got away with it. The issue with gyp is that it is water soluble. When the homes are build, lawns put in and watering begins, water filters down and dissolve the formation. Thus weakening and breaking apart. Local code should never has allowed homes to be built.

    Jace
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    But good ol’ laissez-faire capitalist greed and corruption probably happened...

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    Lea Springstead
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Imagine the anxiety of sleeping in a house that may sink into the ground at any moment...

    Bertha Garcia
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    How come they don't fill this mines after they're done with them? Just curious.

    Stick Man
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Size and not a way that would work. For soil to have supportive properties, it must be packed down. With there being a ceiling, that is not possible.

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    ChaiDai
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They got gypped some as their property values sunk. Nothing miner about that.

    Sally Thomas
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is something that should have been found during a title search. The blame lies with the developers as well as the realtors. Let the lawsuits begin!

    Kyanite Quartzite
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The authors need to learn the term spelunker.

    Silke
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Even "caver" would do for folks who are neither scientific nor linguaphiles

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    J Rob
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Google: "Meade County Planning Board knew Hideaway Hills was built over mine as early as 2000" The newspaper article says it all.

    Oskar vanZandt
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I guess no one bothered to study the land surveys? I live in the UK where there are many abandoned mines. An entrance to an old mine runs diagonally under the road about fifty meters from my house... under an abandoned lot. No one is allowed to build on it. Makes sense when you see the pictures in this post!

    RonKendall48
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It was known by the land developers. Read the comment above by Silke.

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    Doglover🐶
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I agree with Wavehopper. But the cave is pretty cool too.

    Thalia Lovering
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The car is solid proof that the situation was known to many.

    Dan Pieniak
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    WHAT! No one tried to save that car? That looks like a 1950s car.

    david kohn
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    those cars it looks like an apocolypse happened there

    Jared Amos
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    In High School we explored these mines (1992-1996), along with those before and after us. Lots of old pabst cans there, spray paint on the walls, etc. I remember them being much larger though. I walked for hours in one of them (probably in circles though in fairness). They were definately known.

    sharron lynn parsons
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Extremely disgusting, all about greed, people could have been killed, children are there, imagine, at that time, looking for a missing child, at the time it happened, aside from compensation, these families deal with the fear, and to start all over again, Greed is evil !!!

    Al Reilly
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They should pull that old Classic Car Out of There!!

    Nicholas Spock Jr.
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Living in the anthracite area of NE Pennsylvania, I wasn't surprised to see the old car. When mines closed, some miners would ram a few junkers into the opening, throw some dirt on it and pronounce the mine sealed. Nearby is Centralia, (yes of the infamous fire), some old cars decayed and fell deeper into the mine, opening the shaft again after decades. The state was forced to clean up the hazard, sealing the shaft for good.

    Lyone Fein
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They should be suing the developers for millions, not thousands. Because that all needs to be either filled in somehow, or they need to move. Any of the houses built on top of that place can end up collapsing into a hole at any time.

    Gabe
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    All things considered, they now know where to hide from Donald Trump

    Henry Cheves
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I've got a sinking feeling about my new house...

    Zero My Hero
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What’s the thing in the 6th picture that kinda looks like a trumpet standing on its bell? Is that the bumper to another car? (My eyes aren’t what they used to be...)

    Tom Peterson
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Looks like a Volkswagen Beetle bumper. Makes sense since another car previously found there.

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    Carol Roeder
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I really feel sorry for all those people, you know the builders had to have known about all that before they built there! I'd sue them all, after I got that cool, old car out of there!

    Teryn Spada
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If my house was above, it I would dig down and put a wine cellar in. No refrigeration needed, ever!

    Kim Harvey
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I seriously doubt the realtors knew. But they're being sued too.

    Ivy Ruonakoski
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    How the HELL did they get that car down there? More importantly, how in the HELL did they get permission to build over the site?

    Vincent Fink
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Seems like a cozy place to live

    Nicholas Spock Jr.
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Living in the anthracite coal mining area of NE Pennsylvania, the old car wasn't a surprise. When coal mines were closed some miners weren't above dumping a few old cars down a shaft, then throwing dirt on top. Nearby is Centralia, yes the site of the 50+ mne fire. The shaft of the mine opened again decades later when old cars fell deeper into the shaft, a hazard till the state sealed it for good.

    Bacony
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That's another one for apocalypse bingo.

    Dean Wolterman
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They didn't believe him when he said he had the BADDEST MAN CAVE in the state!!

    Adam Messing
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Ok, so I understand and completely agree with suing the developer, the title company (Who absolutely should have known since there would be a chain of title showing a mine in the area), the NHD company (assuming there was one in this state), the country and state for issuing permits and allowing construction. However, why are you suing the previous owners and agents? They likely had absolutely no idea nor did they have any way of knowing that there was a mine there. This is exactly something that is supposed to come up in the title report and Natural Hazards Disclosure report. That is specifically what they are for. Also, how in the hell, did the development get permitted? How could the state/county possibly deem it safe to build residences on top of a abandoned mine?

    Adam Messing
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The developer for sure, the title company should also have known since the mine was from the 80s, the county for issuing permits and the state for allowing the construction. However, suing the previous home owners and agents when they likely had no idea and no way of knowing is a bit much.

    Silke
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Check the multiple answers I posted a few days ago. The previous landowner knew, the agent knew, the council knew. It was all about greed

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    Jerome Goodwin
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Scotland has no right to judge how we use products they sell. They need to judge themselves and stop selling it to anyone . What did they think they were used for?

    The Other Jake
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It is possible that the developers did not know the extent of the mining operations. That would definitely be my defense. Let the document shredding commence.

    Jace
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    “...residential homes were built over an abandoned gypsum mine. The authorities are already trying to figure out how this could’ve happened ...” I’ll tell you HOW it happened: Laissez-faire capitalism. Zero accountability. Corruption. PROFIT.

    Kim Jury
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Did anyone look inside the boot of the car to see if there is anything or anyone in it?

    Sandra Lawrence
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'd be checking the boot of that submerged car to make sure there isn't a body in there!

    Jo Choto
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Who would build so close to the top of abandoned mines that were obviously more open space than rock. Guess they thought by the time things started collapsing, they would be long gone and there would be no comeback for them.

    Dan Lauffer
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    How was this missed by the builders? Wouldn't due diligence have discovered this before the property was even purchased?

    COL(R) Mike T Panda
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Builders already knew about it - see Silke's comments further up

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    Dan Lauffer
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Is it even possible that the builders had no knowledge of the mine's existence? One would have thought that due diligence before the builders even bought the property would have uncovered this reality. Am I mistaken?

    Jace
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Builders knew. See above comments...

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    Kerry Romero
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What type of car was that? Obviously it’s been known for a long time that there was a cavern underground

    Leif Quickleaf
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    knock knock, it's the united states, we're just casually going to build houses on top of a mine that will collapse in a few hundred years.

    Rich
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What kind of car is that? Probably worth something restored.

    Mel Hin
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What (who) was in the trunk?????????

    Robert Green
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And it even comes with a community wine cellar.

    Crystal Osbourne
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The mining writes should still be owned by someone. Homeowners should Find out who and make them pay for improper maintenance or something along those lines and get them to pay off their mortgages. Or go after the district. The land should never have been sold for development in the first place.

    David Harris
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    they just didn,t know those homes featured subterranean parking

    David Harris
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They just didn,t know those homes featured subterranean parking

    les
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    the car looks restorable

    RaroaRaroa
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Where was the opening the car was tossed down I wonder.

    Truth Monster
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Anyone check the trunk of that car for Jimmy Hoffa? Just asking

    Meyer Weinstock
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Word to these libertarian states: call us Californians looney, but we have laws that county inspectors would have found the mine before the concrete foundations would have been laid. Really. Even in the most conservative places, we have a tax-funded safety net of regulation that would have avoid it. OK, maybe not mudslide or fire, but our state laws will not allow a housing development over a mine...and the state knows where all the mines are, in use or abandoned. Sure, say that were as regulated as Europe (nope, nowhere near), but our high costs avoid these issues. -Rev Dr M, retired college professor, and Wisconsin transplant

    Missy Barton
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So, a sink hole opened up, in 2020 of all years, and people thought going inside was a good idea?

    KombatBunni
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The people who had a look were expert spelunkers (cave explorers) and offered their services to find out how bad it was. Better them than some local neighbourhood folks with no idea

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    Don Jon
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    THIS IS AMERICA. GREEDY FUCKEN PIGS!

    Bill
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    5 years ago

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    These homeowners are glad they aren't in TX. The govt owns all mineral rights and the homeowners would be screwed.

    Country Nana
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Bill, you are completely wrong. I just googled Texas law and mi real rights. Private individuals can, and often do, own the mineral rights on private land. The problem is when the sale only includes surface rights and not mineral rights.

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    Anne
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    5 years ago

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    Those caves look man made (rough edges - horizontal lining) - someone must have known, but forgotten?

    Electric Ed
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The car is also a bit of a give-away. As is the first quote: “Upon entering, we immediately realized that is was an abandoned gypsum mine and not a cave” ;)

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    chi-wei shen
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    There's an old car inside and the entire structure looks man made with enough columns to support the ceiling. It was clearly used for something before they built houses on top.

    steven
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    the lost art of reading. First paragraph - "The residential homes were built over an abandoned gypsum mine."

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    Jerry Oary
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Now everyone understands what the realtor meant he/she said the house had some " miner" problems.

    Bacony
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    5 years ago

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    Lack of understanding satire? More like lack of understanding saltire, because that comment's making me cross.

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    Mshauri Mazuri
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    5 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I was a bit fine when I read it was an old mine until I saw the old car. The developers didn't even bother to pick that up. Are they hoping it will help to strengthen the foundation on the whole village? The developers clearly thought that since this is an abandon mine, why don't they just built a house on top of it. Clearly a case of greedy corporation.

    RitaGG
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Agreed. Builder should pay for this lazy workmanship.

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    Mark Fuller
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Ok, feel for those that were affected. But so cool! Just needs some dry ice and weird alien type eggs. Or is that just me? Hmmmm. Note to self: keep thoughts inside.

    Andrew Sepulveda
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I find it hard to believe that no one knew about the old mine shaft. There are records at city hall.

    RonKendall48
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Whoever originally bought the land should have known.

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    Marcellus II
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So the developer had to choose between building on top of a mine (not something stable like a granite quarry, but brittle gypsum), and building atop an Indian burial ground... They went for the least worst option.

    Don Powell
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Somebody is gonna pay for that mess. The hard part will be determining exactly where and if a cover up took place.

    Silke
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Meade County [is planning on a federal bailout] to buy out sinkholed homes at 75% of their pre-doomsday appraised value... https://dakotafreepress.com/2020/05/15/meade-county-officials-including-three-future-legislators-knew-black-hawk-development-was-on-holey-ground/

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    Tracey Hirt
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The recurring nightmare I have where the earth opens up and randomly swallows me as I’m driving just came flooding back! 😳🥺

    Lynda Momalo
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sinkholes creep me out too! I don't have nightmares but . . . shudder.

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    Liz Karsa
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Hopefully the homeowners are compensated and are able to move/set up elsewhere with success. In saying that..this is incredibly cool!

    Hans
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Many regions have undocumented mines, which can essentially be a timebomb. The US-side to this story is that directly the homeowners are massively suing anyone who could have been remotely connected to this, and claiming obviously much more than the worth of the home and the belongings. This just feels odd from the European perspective. Over here, you would have building insurance and very likely also a household contents insurance, which would routinely cover such a case. They might seek compensation againsst whoever grossly negiently ignored the old mine, but this is no concern for the house owner. To me this seems much more reasonable than to open dozens of lawsuits, hoping to make extra money from a personal desaster (losing owns home).

    Country Nana
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Well, Hans, the compensation they're asking for doesn't appear to nearly cover the cost of not only the homes. Add to that the damage done to personal property, which most people lose money on because it's not until months or years later that they realize they lost certain items (and the heartbreak of losing, say, an heirloom), they have to find new places to live in a hurry, pay moving costs at least once, repair possessions broken or water-damaged in addition to months of psychotherapy for their PTSD which resulted from having their home - their safe haven - turn into a trap. Also, most insurance companies in the US only pay the original cost of possessions, unless someone takes the time to record every item in their home and take it to be appraised.

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    Stick Man
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If this was a mine other than gyp. They may have got away with it. The issue with gyp is that it is water soluble. When the homes are build, lawns put in and watering begins, water filters down and dissolve the formation. Thus weakening and breaking apart. Local code should never has allowed homes to be built.

    Jace
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    But good ol’ laissez-faire capitalist greed and corruption probably happened...

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    Lea Springstead
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Imagine the anxiety of sleeping in a house that may sink into the ground at any moment...

    Bertha Garcia
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    How come they don't fill this mines after they're done with them? Just curious.

    Stick Man
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Size and not a way that would work. For soil to have supportive properties, it must be packed down. With there being a ceiling, that is not possible.

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    ChaiDai
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They got gypped some as their property values sunk. Nothing miner about that.

    Sally Thomas
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is something that should have been found during a title search. The blame lies with the developers as well as the realtors. Let the lawsuits begin!

    Kyanite Quartzite
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The authors need to learn the term spelunker.

    Silke
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Even "caver" would do for folks who are neither scientific nor linguaphiles

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    J Rob
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Google: "Meade County Planning Board knew Hideaway Hills was built over mine as early as 2000" The newspaper article says it all.

    Oskar vanZandt
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I guess no one bothered to study the land surveys? I live in the UK where there are many abandoned mines. An entrance to an old mine runs diagonally under the road about fifty meters from my house... under an abandoned lot. No one is allowed to build on it. Makes sense when you see the pictures in this post!

    RonKendall48
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It was known by the land developers. Read the comment above by Silke.

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    Doglover🐶
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I agree with Wavehopper. But the cave is pretty cool too.

    Thalia Lovering
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The car is solid proof that the situation was known to many.

    Dan Pieniak
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    WHAT! No one tried to save that car? That looks like a 1950s car.

    david kohn
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    those cars it looks like an apocolypse happened there

    Jared Amos
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    In High School we explored these mines (1992-1996), along with those before and after us. Lots of old pabst cans there, spray paint on the walls, etc. I remember them being much larger though. I walked for hours in one of them (probably in circles though in fairness). They were definately known.

    sharron lynn parsons
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Extremely disgusting, all about greed, people could have been killed, children are there, imagine, at that time, looking for a missing child, at the time it happened, aside from compensation, these families deal with the fear, and to start all over again, Greed is evil !!!

    Al Reilly
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They should pull that old Classic Car Out of There!!

    Nicholas Spock Jr.
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Living in the anthracite area of NE Pennsylvania, I wasn't surprised to see the old car. When mines closed, some miners would ram a few junkers into the opening, throw some dirt on it and pronounce the mine sealed. Nearby is Centralia, (yes of the infamous fire), some old cars decayed and fell deeper into the mine, opening the shaft again after decades. The state was forced to clean up the hazard, sealing the shaft for good.

    Lyone Fein
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They should be suing the developers for millions, not thousands. Because that all needs to be either filled in somehow, or they need to move. Any of the houses built on top of that place can end up collapsing into a hole at any time.

    Gabe
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    All things considered, they now know where to hide from Donald Trump

    Henry Cheves
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I've got a sinking feeling about my new house...

    Zero My Hero
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What’s the thing in the 6th picture that kinda looks like a trumpet standing on its bell? Is that the bumper to another car? (My eyes aren’t what they used to be...)

    Tom Peterson
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Looks like a Volkswagen Beetle bumper. Makes sense since another car previously found there.

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    Carol Roeder
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I really feel sorry for all those people, you know the builders had to have known about all that before they built there! I'd sue them all, after I got that cool, old car out of there!

    Teryn Spada
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If my house was above, it I would dig down and put a wine cellar in. No refrigeration needed, ever!

    Kim Harvey
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I seriously doubt the realtors knew. But they're being sued too.

    Ivy Ruonakoski
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    How the HELL did they get that car down there? More importantly, how in the HELL did they get permission to build over the site?

    Vincent Fink
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Seems like a cozy place to live

    Nicholas Spock Jr.
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Living in the anthracite coal mining area of NE Pennsylvania, the old car wasn't a surprise. When coal mines were closed some miners weren't above dumping a few old cars down a shaft, then throwing dirt on top. Nearby is Centralia, yes the site of the 50+ mne fire. The shaft of the mine opened again decades later when old cars fell deeper into the shaft, a hazard till the state sealed it for good.

    Bacony
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That's another one for apocalypse bingo.

    Dean Wolterman
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They didn't believe him when he said he had the BADDEST MAN CAVE in the state!!

    Adam Messing
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Ok, so I understand and completely agree with suing the developer, the title company (Who absolutely should have known since there would be a chain of title showing a mine in the area), the NHD company (assuming there was one in this state), the country and state for issuing permits and allowing construction. However, why are you suing the previous owners and agents? They likely had absolutely no idea nor did they have any way of knowing that there was a mine there. This is exactly something that is supposed to come up in the title report and Natural Hazards Disclosure report. That is specifically what they are for. Also, how in the hell, did the development get permitted? How could the state/county possibly deem it safe to build residences on top of a abandoned mine?

    Adam Messing
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The developer for sure, the title company should also have known since the mine was from the 80s, the county for issuing permits and the state for allowing the construction. However, suing the previous home owners and agents when they likely had no idea and no way of knowing is a bit much.

    Silke
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Check the multiple answers I posted a few days ago. The previous landowner knew, the agent knew, the council knew. It was all about greed

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    Jerome Goodwin
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Scotland has no right to judge how we use products they sell. They need to judge themselves and stop selling it to anyone . What did they think they were used for?

    The Other Jake
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It is possible that the developers did not know the extent of the mining operations. That would definitely be my defense. Let the document shredding commence.

    Jace
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    “...residential homes were built over an abandoned gypsum mine. The authorities are already trying to figure out how this could’ve happened ...” I’ll tell you HOW it happened: Laissez-faire capitalism. Zero accountability. Corruption. PROFIT.

    Kim Jury
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Did anyone look inside the boot of the car to see if there is anything or anyone in it?

    Sandra Lawrence
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'd be checking the boot of that submerged car to make sure there isn't a body in there!

    Jo Choto
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Who would build so close to the top of abandoned mines that were obviously more open space than rock. Guess they thought by the time things started collapsing, they would be long gone and there would be no comeback for them.

    Dan Lauffer
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    How was this missed by the builders? Wouldn't due diligence have discovered this before the property was even purchased?

    COL(R) Mike T Panda
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Builders already knew about it - see Silke's comments further up

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    Dan Lauffer
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Is it even possible that the builders had no knowledge of the mine's existence? One would have thought that due diligence before the builders even bought the property would have uncovered this reality. Am I mistaken?

    Jace
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Builders knew. See above comments...

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    Kerry Romero
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What type of car was that? Obviously it’s been known for a long time that there was a cavern underground

    Leif Quickleaf
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    knock knock, it's the united states, we're just casually going to build houses on top of a mine that will collapse in a few hundred years.

    Rich
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What kind of car is that? Probably worth something restored.

    Mel Hin
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What (who) was in the trunk?????????

    Robert Green
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And it even comes with a community wine cellar.

    Crystal Osbourne
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The mining writes should still be owned by someone. Homeowners should Find out who and make them pay for improper maintenance or something along those lines and get them to pay off their mortgages. Or go after the district. The land should never have been sold for development in the first place.

    David Harris
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    they just didn,t know those homes featured subterranean parking

    David Harris
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They just didn,t know those homes featured subterranean parking

    les
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    the car looks restorable

    RaroaRaroa
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Where was the opening the car was tossed down I wonder.

    Truth Monster
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Anyone check the trunk of that car for Jimmy Hoffa? Just asking

    Meyer Weinstock
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Word to these libertarian states: call us Californians looney, but we have laws that county inspectors would have found the mine before the concrete foundations would have been laid. Really. Even in the most conservative places, we have a tax-funded safety net of regulation that would have avoid it. OK, maybe not mudslide or fire, but our state laws will not allow a housing development over a mine...and the state knows where all the mines are, in use or abandoned. Sure, say that were as regulated as Europe (nope, nowhere near), but our high costs avoid these issues. -Rev Dr M, retired college professor, and Wisconsin transplant

    Missy Barton
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So, a sink hole opened up, in 2020 of all years, and people thought going inside was a good idea?

    KombatBunni
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The people who had a look were expert spelunkers (cave explorers) and offered their services to find out how bad it was. Better them than some local neighbourhood folks with no idea

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    Don Jon
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    THIS IS AMERICA. GREEDY FUCKEN PIGS!

    Bill
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    5 years ago

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    These homeowners are glad they aren't in TX. The govt owns all mineral rights and the homeowners would be screwed.

    Country Nana
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Bill, you are completely wrong. I just googled Texas law and mi real rights. Private individuals can, and often do, own the mineral rights on private land. The problem is when the sale only includes surface rights and not mineral rights.

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    Anne
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    5 years ago

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    Those caves look man made (rough edges - horizontal lining) - someone must have known, but forgotten?

    Electric Ed
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The car is also a bit of a give-away. As is the first quote: “Upon entering, we immediately realized that is was an abandoned gypsum mine and not a cave” ;)

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    chi-wei shen
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    There's an old car inside and the entire structure looks man made with enough columns to support the ceiling. It was clearly used for something before they built houses on top.

    steven
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    the lost art of reading. First paragraph - "The residential homes were built over an abandoned gypsum mine."

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