Curvy Model Challenges Rigid Victoria’s Secret Model Standards By Recreating Their Catalog, And The Result Speaks For Itself
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Brooklyn-based lingerie model Tabria Majors has fighting words for Victoria’s Secret, but all she really needed was three Instagram photos to prove her point. To draw attention to the rigid beauty standards demonstrated by the company’s ad campaigns, she posed in a few of her favorite pieces of the season and looked absolutely bomb. If this doesn’t prove that curvy girls can sell just as many undies as the size-2 VS ‘angels’ seems intent on exclusively using, we don’t know what will (skinny girls, we love you too; we just think there needs to be more diversity going on).
“Maybe I’ll be a Victoria’s Secret Angel this year for Halloween since it ain’t happening in real life,” the plus-size model captioned the steamy set of photos, which has now reached the viral amount of more than 27 thousand likes. This is only the latest clap back a curvy model has leveled at the lingerie empire; runway star, photo model and body positivity spokesperson Ashley Graham has been vocal about being shunned by the brand on multiple occasions, and even did a campaign with Lane Bryant that said it all with a simple hashtag – #ImNoAngel. Perhaps it’s time for these guys to get the memo?
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This is Tabria Majors, a Brooklyn-based model who just singled out Victoria’s Secret for their lack of diversity
The lingerie empire is known for only featuring small models in their ads, which is just so outdated
To prove that curvy girls can sell just as many undies, she recreated (and slayed) a few recent campaigns
“Maybe I’ll be a Victoria’s Secret Angel this year for Halloween, since it ain’t happening in real life”
She’s only the latest plus-size model to take aim at the Pink producers, joining the ranks of Ashley Graham
The Internet, as you might have guessed, was 100% here for it
Is it time for VS to start changing their ways? Tell us your thoughts below!
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I hate the whole "it's a real woman" bit. Curvy women are real women, skinny women are real women, tall short whatever.
This is true. I am skinny, always have been, does that mean I'm not a "real woman"? So annoying. I don't mind any body shapes. I don't care how other women look like. Everyone is "real" and beautiful in it's own way!!!
Yessssssss. Because Clearly women who are thin are some sort of ... alien or animal.
YESS! And may I say that I ABSOLUTELY LOVE YOUR NAME!
Yes exactly! This is getting old. If you have two X chromosomes, then you are a real women. Period.
Exactly. And if you don't have two X chromosomes, you're not a real woman.
Thank you.
agreed - i really dislike this one-directional thinking. Also the wording... plus size woman are not per se curvier than thiner women. Besides there are a lot of other companies selling plus size lingerie etc - if victoria secret does not - who gives a fuck. And btw - it seems they got a reason for that: http://www.businessinsider.de/the-real-reason-victorias-secret-doesnt-sell-plus-sizes-2016-3?r=US&IR=T So get your facts straight before you jump on the train.
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"Plus-size apparel requires a different pattern, and many budding designers are not taught how to design for these sizes when they're in school, as model Melissa Aronson (aka Emme) told Business Insider in July." Pffffffffffft. That's a really stupid reason. They can't be bothered creating the infrastructure needed for that demographic- an additional factory, better educated designers, etc.- but that doesn't excuse them. Also, the woman in this BoredPanda article proved that in some cases their argument that curvy women just wouldn't look as good in the same garments is bullshit. They're the biggest retailer. Women like to shop there. But hey, they can just shop on Amazon, am I right? Insulting. Who gives a fuck? They do. I do. Lots of people do.
I wish they would just say more diverse body types or something to that affect. I’m plus sized and I don’t consider myself any realer than skinny women.
It really all depends on your body's metabolism, genetics, etc. That said, there really needs to be a greater variety in body types for models. There's more than one type of sexy body.
Thank you. Can't agree more. Like in what kind of world do we live to have to shame one type of person, just to bring another kind to shine? Both can be equally beautiful and both are real.
Yup! I was in a campaign for a lingerie brand here in Norway to promote that. I'm 4'9'' and 77 lbs. I'm a real woman! I always feel forgotten when it comes to body positivity, so I spoke up! The campaign ofc also featured women in different sizes and ages.
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i completely zgree with you, but does VS really show real women? I personally would have to say not. I don't consider girls who starve and get surgery to be a model 'real women'.
People can be naturally very thin.
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Media glamorizes skinny women and shames/ignores curvier women (who probably represent a larger portion of the population). Which is why they don't show up in catalogs like this. And it's totally not fair. But no, every time we focus on that, we're treating skinny women poorly or whatever.
Surely, you don't mean "curvier" when speaking of plus-sized women...You mean 'fat'. Fat is the opposite of skinny. If you're going to call slender, slim, normal-sized women "skinny", then you mean to call the opposite of such, 'fat'!! Skinny is NOT some sort of flattery to those of us who are not overweight, nor skinny. Thank you.
"A real sized person!" So what, because I'm naturally thin and tall, I'm not real and worth less then heavier people? Seriously I haven't seen one bored panda article that makes thin people feel better about themselves, it's only about boosting overweight people's egos.
I'm 5'4" and I'm overweight and I just wanted to tell you I completely agree with you. I am working hard to get my weight down and so far so good. I know it is unhealthy to be this big. Glamorizing being overweight is not good for society at all! And those of you who are naturally tall and thin definitely don't deserve to have your self-esteem torn down!
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They have their self esteem torn down once in a billion occasion in this world glorifying thin and skinny bodies. No it's not ok to create this frontier between women, qualifying them as real and not real, ok and not ok for society, but thin people aren't making me crying when they feel underestimated about their weight and body type in one article, while plus size women are underestimated everyday of their lives in magazines, adds, boutiques, etc. We are all real and beautiful, but please, don't play the victim when you are not.
yeah, I'm slim, athletic and have low body fat, cause I train hard, feel so unreal right now :P
I'm in a wheelchair, don't have any accessible gyms to use and a side effect of medications I use is weight gain. We are ALL real.
Yes, I also don't like how people boost their self-esteem at someone else's cost. Every time a guy hits on me by badmouthing skinnier people (or shorter, or darker, or paler, or people with tatoos or any other kind of people) I just get out and leave. It just proves he's a mean small-minded person and it's offensive to assume I will feel flattered by putting other girls down. So I'm all with you. Still, you kind of just did the same thing. You feel frustrated by lack of equal representation in articles on Bored Panda? Then imagine how frustrated big people are by lack of equal representation in real life. So please don't jump into hate competition just because you were the less privileged for once.
I personally think all body types have their ups and downs. As a very tall woman, it's sometimes awkward to be among my much shorter peers, but then again I like being tall. Everyone should be comfortable with how they were born and accept the difficulties and benefits that come along 😊
When my son was in his 20's people would always comment on how thin he was, He would reply, "If I was fat, you wouldn't say anything about it." Why do people think insulting thin people is ok?
Well... I do really hate ppl constantly fighting invisible wars to be honest. This whole justice warrior shit is getting really old really fast
Ummmm I'm sorry but, skinny people are always in the spotlight.Be cool with yourself and take a compliment.... lots of people would stop eating to be your size honey.... Take your ego and have compassion towards other people...because everything can't be about everyone. Also I always say don't be jealous, be happy for. :)
Look, I do agree that the media has glamourized extremely thin no
People, but the media should focus encouraging thin people to gain weight and overweight people to lose weight, so both groups can be equal and healthy.
It's referred like that because every ad out there and the society in general will say that a woman NEEDS to be thin, tall, want children and be in a relationship or else she is "not a woman".
What ad says you have to be thin or tall to be a real woman?
You're right... I mean, there aren't magazines after magazines after tv show after tv show after billboard ad after billboard all about how beautiful you are IF you're skinny... right? I think this is a perfect example of how you can flip ANYTHING into a "poor me" argument.. Hilarious.
Ok, I'm done being nice. Unless you unfortunately have a health problem (I apologize, this doesn't apply to you) then I believe that overweight people don't have self-control, because they let themselves become so overweight through overeating. It is unhealthy, and why in the world would the media feature unhealthy Humans to attract positive attention.
Hence why i said these are used to boost obese people's egos ;-;
The whole world makes thin people feel good about themselves. What you're saying is like wanting a hetero pride parade.
What would be so wrong with that? Prejudice much?
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Society as a whole makes thin people feel good about themselves. Let someone else have a turn.
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That doesnt mean you can go around saying that thin people are not real. Get a life fat [pig
Actually it makes sense to have a wider variety of models. Different people appreciate different body types and different types of beauty, so it would make economic sense to try to appeal to more than one demographic, wouldn't it? I'm sick of always looking at the same type of models anw, they all start looking the same after awhile!
unfortunately market analysis shows that for certain type of goods the more conventionally beautiful the model is - the better are the sales. This category includes appearance-related goods, like clothes or makeup. People are more attracted to the "dream", that's why there is also this shit load of photoshop in ads, looking absolutely unrealistic. The psycology underneath it is that buying this lingerie will help you look a tiny bit more like that gorgeous model on the picture. Like you're buying part of that along with the lingerie. (If we think (!) about it we of course know that a bra is just a bra, not a magic wand, but it's how it unconsciously works)
That's much too reality-grounded for most people who read this, but you're absolutely right. And the target market is who -- women ? I don't think so. Victoria's Secret isn't stupid, they know who keeps them in business.
But isn't she a gorgeous model? She is an aspirational beauty, that makes me feel that if I would wear these clothes I would look as good as her. I wonder if these test really include models like her?
Psychological studies and analysis also show that we tend to love and find beautiful what we are used seeing. So saying that we are most likely to love and buy the conventionnal beauty is a shortcut and an easy excuse for the industry to not even try to change. In fact, it ignores the capacity of people to find beauty elsewhere. We just need to see that it exists. Why do we think that the thin tall white and blonde girl is the «conventionnal beauty» ? Because we see it everywhere.
people have tried to start lingerie biz for larger women, They go on TV get other women to say that's great, But sorry they don't make it
Well said!
You've actually just described why I don't spend any money on this industry. It exists because of women's low self esteem and I honestly feel perfect the way that I am.
Yeahhh I guess so.
Bullshit. I personally think the curvier model looked BETTER in these garments. The shots of her made me more interested in the product. I can't possibly be in the minority with that- lots of dudes like curvy ladies, and it's not THAT hard to make them look hot in photo ads. You just need to hire the right people. I think the fashion industry has become something of an echo chamber of its own nonesense.
Not to mention beside being appreciated models also have the job of giving potential customers the rough idea of how clothes look when worn. I am size 22 and if I only see a dress on 4-sized model it won't even get my attention.
@Philip Moderow Yeah, and that translates to dress sales how?
But it will probably get the attention of the man in your life !
It doesn't if you don't want to change your Brand and image of what your company stands for. Changing the line up of "wider variety of models" doesn't mean increased revenue on all fronts. They've tried to accommodate this idea in 2014 and it was a disaster as it affected the value of the brand and sales went down. You have stores like Lane Bryant who cater to individuals who are above average in size who are capable of making the same style. Point is there are more slim women in the market purchasing small sizes than average to large women. From a business stand point why would you cater to the smaller group when the larger majority is your main cash flow?
But it's self-perpetuating: those slim women are probably purchasing because the products are made and catered to them. Also, media glorifies slim women. Average to large women maybe don't know what looks hot on them because nobody's been arsed to design things specifically for their size, they haven't seen curvier women in lingerie ads or in most other visual media, it's harder to find stuff that fits them, etc etc etc. There is no market for them because the industry can't be bothered to get off its ass and do it properly, and justifies its ignorance with "but they don't buy as much". They don't buy as much maybe because there's less for them to buy. Duh.
I'm sorry, I just really don't like an obese model. It's awesome that she's happy and she's by no means ugly, but I would not buy 'undies' when presented like that. Also, being obese is very unhealthy and I don't understand why people keep pushing it as something to strive for. We don't need size zeros, but this is the other extreme.
This model is hardly "obese".
She's is literally obese. If she's 30kg overweight (which she is) then that's defined as obesity. Obesity is a medical condition in which excess body fat has accumulated to the extent that it may have a negative effect on health.[1] People are generally considered obese when their body mass index (BMI), a measurement obtained by dividing a person's weight by the square of the person's height, is over 30 kg/m2, with the range 25–30 kg/m2 defined as overweight.[1] Some East Asian countries use lower values.[8] Obesity increases the likelihood of various diseases and conditions, particularly cardiovascular diseases, type 2 diabetes, obstructive sleep apnea, certain types of cancer, osteoarthritis and depression.[2][3]
Perfectly put Demi. The others saying this model is not obese or "the other extreme" are out of their minds. This normalization of obesity needs to stop, it's not healthy.
The model is no where near obese!!! She is just overweight!!! Obese is when your weight is causing health problems and is a problem!!!
Sure, but the women in these photos does not qualify as "obese".
Yea she's not like as huge as other models I've seen, then again I rarely look at magazines, but being overweight etc isn't really healthy :/ I'm tryna lose weight myself, so far so good, but if people said to me "but ur curvy why change that " like those aren't curves it's fat hahaha no muscles it's just all squishy. But rather be fit than anything
This lady is definitely not the other extreme....
Unless you are a person's personal physician you have absolutely no way of knowing how healthy a person is. The takeaway here is not that being a larger size is better than being a smaller size, or vice versa. It's that extreme expectations for women's bodies should be a thing of the past. Also, I agree with manowce, what do you mean by "undies presented like that"? On a person? And damn straight she is by no means ugly. She is fucking GORGEOUS. Lastly "this is the other extreme"??? Uh, not unless you live in District 12 of Panem.
Nonsense. Being fit is healthier than being overweight. You don't need a PHD to know that one. Trying to normalize obesity is like trying to normalize smoking and drinking to excess. It's unhealthy and everyone knows it.
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no one is "pushing for obesity". yes, It may cause health problems, but that doesn't mean someone who is overweight is ugly. and it sure as hell doesn't mean we can't show that body type in commercials, because there are a lot of people like that. yes, we should all try to be healthy, but that does't mean that in a meantime we have to wear sheets instead of sexy stuff. also: what do you mean "undies presented *like that*"? like what? on a body? how is this affecting your shopping decisions? I just look if those are my style and colour, not who is wearing them.
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she's not obese she's chubby and actually looks very heathy. This is a obese women tm670-2016...432356.jpg
and i'm not saying she's ugly i'm speaking medically she would be considered obese. So don't call her this model she's beautiful and healthy
That woman is morbidly obese. The model is just regular obese, which is defined as 30kg above optimal weight.
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She's not obese. Jesus. You think THAT is obese?? What are you, anorexic?
You don't know what obese actually means. It literally means "overweight"
While it makes sense to have a wide range of models with a brand as large as VS, I'm tired of people saying that to be "REAL" you have to be a size 16 and up. There are plenty of naturally slender women who eat and remain a size 2 or 4 because that is their genetic shape. They are just as real as the more voluptuous figures. Diversity is a welcome subject in the realm of beauty. VS has employed more racial types, so let's see them employ a plus-sized model or perhaps (GASP) a women over age 40 in their campaign.
At this point round hips are the beauty standard anyway. Everything is geared towards that shape. Thin models with rectangle shapes aren’t popular anymore socially. A new set of problems has been created.
I wish people would stop referring to these overweight models as curvy. They are overweight, and in some cases downright obese. They may be healthy as their young age, but being fat is generally unhealthy, as they age. Just as showing slim models upsets some people who are probably not thin themselves, showing overweight models encourages some people to think that being overweight is absolutely fine.
I wish people would stop referring to underweight people as slender. But the whole under and over concept is so outdated, I can't believe people still bother with it! I mean, sure, every body has a weight that is not enough and one that is too much. But it's not the same for everybody. My friend was told by her doctor to stop dieting when she was size 14 because she was already severely malnutritioned. The same doctor adviced a size 10 girl to watch her weight. That's because he actually run all the proper tests. But who cares with all the blood and urine and stuff, it's not like it's written on people's foreheads and we just need to judge on one glance, right?
I think you're geting two different things confused, to be malnourished means that she was not get enough sustenance, it does not mean that she was underweight at size 14, most likely she was doing what a lot of people who have a bad relationship with food do and that's try to lose a shed load of weight in a short amount of time by starving herself rather than making a long term change that would see her weight drop over time not in a couple of months.
Not all bigger people are unhealthy. It depends on the person. Conversely, there are some skinny people who are terribly unhealthy and don't take care of themselves. You can't tell by looking, so stop playing doctor.
Not all. But the vast majority are. Being obese is a sign of poor health. There are rare exceptions, but if someone is obese they will have shorter and less healthy lives.
Oh really? Do you know any fat/obese 90 year olds? Imma guess NO... :o
Finally, someone who understands having a healthy body is a nuanced issue! Some of these folks really need to do research on skinny fat.
Don't be jealous....be happy for
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She's not overweight. Unless you're from Japan where women in this size are seen as overweight.
I think she is absolutely beautiful. That said, I don't think Victoria's Secret sells plus size clothing, so why would they have a plus sized model to showcase clothing in sizes they don't in fact sell? They would first need to make apparel in plus sizes. Then it would make sense that they employ plus sized models. I think we've put the cart before the horse here.
Yes. But I think the incentives to strive for fit and healthy are here. Vs models are very fit and gorgeous. They have gorgeous curves!
none of their ads say anything about health, so I don't think that's the case. they just follow the stream.
Ummmmm, the model was in fact wearing VS items and in sizes currently available right? VS needs to stop ONLY showcasing their smallest size available for every item. They don’t even show models wearing a size Medium! Just Small and Extra Small in their catalogs and Ads.
?? It's not even plus size.
She's very sexy. Nice curves. She'd do well as an actual VS model.
How is it diversity if she has the same exact shape, just bigger? Wake me up when a model with actual flaws shows up. This woman just wants attention. Her shape is 1000x more unrealistic and unattainable than the thin model. It’s easy to be thin. It’s practically impossible to be fat with a flat stomach.
And zero cellulite?!! There is no way I could be her weight and have a flat belly with zero cellulite. And I'm 5' 10!
Exactly. It’s total bullshit that this is being pushed as body diversity.
What are you guys talking about? If you eat a load of food you will have a body like hers if you burn more calories than you consume then you will have a body like the V.S model. Yes there will be some differences such as boobs may not be as big while being thin and you may have a large flat bum while being fat but these are the differences between weight and body shape the latter of which cannot be changed with surgery or Photoshop.
Go eat a load of food and see what shape you become. It will look nothing like this. Almost everyone who gains weight gets it in their face, stomach and arms. The new standard of having a flat stomach and small arms with fat thighs, butt and breasts is flat out unrealistic and unattainable for the vast majority of people. It has literally nothing to do with calories. You’ll just gain weight and it won’t be distributed like hers. I guarantee your body is nothing like the fat model and wouldn’t be no matter how much weight you gained or lost.
No, her body is not less unattainable for everyone. I have a large frame, and even when I was severely underweight, so much so my ribs were visible, I was about a size ten. It is physically impossible for me too look like the thin models , short of having some of my ribs removed, which I hear is, in fact, a thing. The plus size model has a combination of fat and muscle that for some of us, is perfectly realistic.
Congratulations? There’s women out there who woke up with the body of Giselle, does that make it more realistic as a standard? No offense but if that’s you in the photo, you do not have the shape of the heavy model by a long shot. And that’s normal because hardly anyone does or could, no matter what their weight is. You are a prime example of what I’m talking about. You gain weight like most women, including me! The weight is in your upper body too, not just your breasts and lower body. It’s soft and not firm. It’s not just “curves,” it’s fat. That’s how most people gain weight!
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You're missing the point here. She ISN'T fat!! She's just bigger! There is a big difference between 'big' and 'fat.' If you x-rayed an assortment of 'fat' people, you would find that some of them have skinny people within them (their bone-structure is intended for a slim person), and some of them have larger frames, intending them to be larger people.
I don’t think the point she tried to make was that she isn’t fat. Whatever you decide to call her, her body type is way more unrealistic than the thin model. The shape she has is totally unattainable for almost everyone. The thin model has a shape that most anyone could achieve through diet and exercise. It’s not healthy to have these unrealistic extremely curvy models as the new beauty standard. It just encourages more people to view their own bodies as insufficient and seek surgery or overeating to attain her shape. Her shape is ridiculously unrealistic for a person of any weight.
I'm kind of sad how some comments are saying "Wow a real person" or "a real woman". Does being skinny make you less of a woman or something? But she looks great and I'm happy for her anyway :)
I believe when blogs or articles stating that “real” women are this or that, it’s simply referring to women without photoshop or unrealistic measurements.
but plus-sized models also have their pics photoshopped... look even at the Ashley Graham's pic, people just don't have that smooth skin, she has no cellulite, no stretch marks, no scars, no birthmarks and blemishes...
To glorify plus-size is to encourage disease and advocate unhealthiness. High cholesterol, diabetes, heart conditions, elevated blood pressure, stroke risk. Just to name a few.
Absolutely correct, and whoever says differently is in denial about their health
You can be perfectly healthy with extra weight, and different people just have different body types, so being bigger doesn't necessarily mean you are unhealthy or even fat. Showing models that represent more body types is more inclusive and makes people feel better about not fitting to a narrow standard.
How does showing a large woman with flat abs represent or include plus sized women? Plus sized women do not look like her. Her shape is extraordinarily uncommon. If you want to promote bigger women, by all means go for it but don’t be dishonest. Big women don’t look like that. They carry weight in their stomach, arms and face and it seems extremely disrespectful to big women to shove this garbage down their throats and call it inclusion. It sets an impossible standard for them and includes only a tiny fraction of them. It probably makes them feel worse that even big models don’t represent their bodies or experiences. Now they can feel inadequate for having belly rolls when the very people picked to represent big women look identical to thin women, just with wider hips, butts and breasts.
Ben Smith. Never heard of binge eating disorder? Its just as real as anorexia.
@Emma...unless you have a glandular issue or some other medical factor: obesity is not a disease. The vast majority of obese Americans did it to themselves. Anorexis is usually accompanied by some sort of mental health issues, so yeah, fine it's a disease, but obesity...that's mostly a choice.
Yes but I bet that calculating her Bmi will show that she's overweight, so she has more chances to have heart problems, diabetes and so on. Yeah anorexia is a disease but so is obesity
Some people can't control those their metabolism, so shaming them is unfair.... Don't be jealous, be happy for
My Niece is skinny and as been all her life and has just been diagnosed with type 1 diabetes so it is a myth to say only plus size people are unhealthy!! and i know many many more very slim people that have illness. You are brained washed and very narrow minded indeed.
Type 1 diabetes is an autoimmune disease, it is not linked to or caused by diet as type 2 diabetes is. Your comment makes no point because its not based on the facts about the condition. Type 2 diabetes is almost 100% caused by diet. I am a former skinny girl who had an insane metabolism, ate all day long and TONS OF SUGAR BC why not? It tastes good and I was able to stay skinny. Well fast forward and add depression to the mix, my already super high food intake more than quadrupled and now I am 100 lbs overweight, obese, pre diabetic and insulin resistant. And it took me TWO YEARS to get a doctor to do a fasting insulin test, they just kept saying I was fine when I wasn't. In fact, when my blood sugar was borderline, they never told me. I found out a year later. And my sister, who is not obese but carrying too much weight is also border line. These "curvy " girls may believe they r healthy but in reality, they are probably prediabetic and their doctors haven't told them.
Would you rather glorify diets which make models lack vitamins, vital ingredients etc? Would you rather glorify hunger the fashion industry makes women go through? Would you rather glorify drugs models often take in order to cut their appetite? Overweight people live till their seventies or more; constantly dieting skinny girls faint every now and then and die of multiple organs failure. Choose what you wanna glorify.
No, but we also should not glorify being obese either, as it has just as many health risks attached to it. In fact heart disease connect to being overweight is the new smoking. Too "fat" or too "skinny"....neither is really better or worse for you, but equally destructive to your health. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/08/170815095202.htm
Funny, most females in my family were overweight and all those who were blessed with natural death lived past 90 with blood pressure, cholesterol and sugar level straight out of the medical textbook. Sure, it is unhealthy STATISTICALLY speaking, because just a certain part of people have bodies that are actually at their best when bigger. So it's understandable that doctors are alarmed by growing obesity rates - they mean that more and more people are too big. But you can't just judge any specific person because you don't know how well their body handles its size. Malnutrition is dangerous too. We just don't feel the need to talk about it because it's not that real of a danger in the West but it's not really worse to too fat than to be too skinny.
It's funny how open and accepting BP commenters are until the topic of weight comes up.....
Open and accepting? More like the opposite. If one person were to voice his opinion that wasn't mainstream with the very liberal BP audience, he'd get shot down...
Well, it's a deep discussion to have when you get down to it. You have people who want other people to shut up about other people's appearance and you have people that argue we should shame these people because they aren't 'healthy'. On a whole, this site is all about body positivity. Now that I think about it; I've never seen a diet or exercise article on here. So you have the issue of not necessarily wanting to shame people but wanting to promote a healthy standard.
Oh Mano...I never said it wasn't rude. Nor did I say I would do it. I said I have the RIGHT to do it. That's what this whole thing called freedom of speech - especially on the Internet - is all about.
It’s entirely negative to promote any shape that’s not common or attainable for most women. Being fat with big butt, round hips, big boobs and six pack abs is so much more unrealistic than just “thin.” They keep pushing this shape as if you’re less of a woman for being average weight with small breasts and square hips. This is a very very very unhealthy standard, moreso than just being under weight.
I'm sorry, Kate, what? Nobody is entitled to say someone is ugly? Um...we sure as shit are. You don't have to agree with it, but you bet I'm allowed to say it.
we sure as hell shouldn't shame anybody on their appearances, but it's also wrong to enforce the "everyone is equally beautiful" paradigm, because it's absolutely not true — say Harvey Weinstein is NOT "equally beautiful" to the lady in the post. Beauty itself is a very subjective category and should be accepted as such. This being said everyone is entitled to say someone they like is beautiful, but nobody is entitled to say the other person is ugly.
no, ben, saying "she is ugly" is just rude. you can as well say "she's not my type". but it takes class and some consideration which you apparently don't have.
I agree that all clothing should be made to fit women of all sizes if the seller really wants his/her clothing line to be mass marketed. Think about it, you wouldn't shop at a Lane Bryant who carries 12-30 plus size if you were a size 4, so why do you think VS should sell sizes past 10 if they cater to then smaller gals? I think Lane B carries sexy undies too. I dunno, maybe I just don't see the big deal these days. No matter what size you are there are stores just for you. Unless you are really huge, then u might have to shop online. There is a limit after all.
Size 24 is not large, it is xxx large. Americans have started to glorify fat women which is so wrong. Celebrate health, not fat.
how about you celebrate minding your own business
So is obesity good for you now?
Don't be jealous, be happy for
She is just gorgeous and I think her confidence makes her 100 times more beautiful.
Will the idea work with millions of women who are currently looking for that style? no. Will it satisfy a insecurity complex by using social media to feel better about yourself? yes.
She´s not curvy, she´s fat.
Don't be jealous be happy for
Curvy?! Obese, you mean. Stop this trend of posting articles glorifying being FAT.
stop this trend of being an asshole
Lack of diversity?? I dont see her having a big nose, flaws on her skin or whatever individual characteristics real people have... Diversity my ass - you are still a model - and this looks like a big "hire me" :P Good for you.
Exactly!!! Big with a flat stomach is not diversity. She doesn’t represent big women at all.
I have to roll my eyes every time they refer to a size 12 woman as "plus sized" or as "real". The average woman is a size 12/14. Also being that size doesn't make you any more real.
That may be the "average," but it is not "normal." Those two terms don't always equal each other.
Normal means healthy by a medical professional standard. The number, of course, is different for different people. The average, sadly, nowdays is far above normal. What's worse is that the unhealthy "average" is being mistaken for "normal."
what does it even mean "normal weight"? there's no such thing. it depends on how tall you are, it changes.
I was diagnosed as anorexic and on my death bed when I was a size 10. I'm a 5'11'' woman with really wide hip bones, shoulders, etc. I had to have a doctor measure my bones (I was burning away muscle at this point) and show me how some people literally have a larger frame. I would have to physically be sawn nearly in half to be a size 0-2. So please tell me how being size 10-14 is not "normal?" Now, I'm a size 14, and I'm healthy. At 12-10, I was not healthy. I ate 1-2 times a week.
And it’s not body positive or accepting. It’s just creating a new standard where big thighs, butts, hips and big boobs with defined abs are the popular shape, which is worse than tiny / thin. Anyone can get thin. Nobody can get curved hips and big butts with a flat stomach without the help of a surgeon. It’s a way less accepting beauty standard.
manowce, some people are born like Kim Kardashian. That doesn’t make it common or realistic as a standard. And I guarantee you gain weight in your stomach and your other parts aren’t as curvy as you say they are. Not because it is impossible but just because people don’t know how to look at themselves objectively.
not true. I have that exact body type - goes in my butt and my boobs, but not my stomach. no surgeon helped me there. people are built different wasy, dude.
I hate that they go "Here's our plus sized stuff" *uses nowhere near plus sized models*
I hope this "curvy" campaign not make skinny women feel uncomfortable with their body.
And why's that? The "skinny" campaigns are making people with bigger weight feel uncomfortable with their bodies. It should go both ways.
Why do plus size models create such a controversy? There's nothing ideological about it - it's really about showing your potential customers how your clothes look on a real human and the fashion industry should finally realise that. I mostly shop online so if I cannot see a pic of the cloth on a relatable body I don't even consider buying it.
"Why do plus size models create such a controversy?" This 'campaign' by this girl was 100% specifically designed to do just that, and it's a specific point of view about a whole lifestyle so that basically does make it an ideology. And if she's a "normal average girl" then this generation will be the first to not outlive their parents. She's not super obese, but she's bordering on where it's really unhealthy. What I don't get is why it's controversial to tell people they should strive for healthier life choices instead of catering to fragile egos.
Full Name - you are right. But people are very easy to bait with something like this. Wouldn't it be great if people were just able to think 'oh, a girl. And?' and just move on?
I think this "real human" thing drives people nuts, regardless of size all women are real. but I get your point, truth be told in a perfect world when you pick an item of clothing and check your size you would get a model that reflects your size, but marketing studies show that people spend more when they see an thinner woman modelling.
by "real human" I just mean real human. Like human model instead of a rack or hanger.
I am not American and I've never been there, I live in Europe. I know plenty of technically obese people who are perfectly healthy and many skinny ones who had ruined their bodies even before they turned 30. It's not fat that makes you unhealthy. It's the unhealthy lifestyle that MAY often make you fat at the same time but doesn't necessarily have to and you may be fat for other reasons that pose no risk whatsoever. There's no one size we all should aspire to, each body has it's own equilibrium. As I mentioned I am size 22. My sister who has almost the same lifestyle (I eat more overall but I workout more too and unlike her, I never eat junk food) is size 6. If you really start looking at people objectively you will see more examples like that all around you. Then maybe you'll stop assuming that person bigger than you must be less healthy.
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Not to mention this particular woman is only plus size by fashion industry standards. In real life she is your normal average girl.
That girl is average? America is doomed.
You really should travel more if you think she is “average“... only after US-standards, apparently.
Victoria secret is successful based on the brand it has established and the image of the Ideal body a woman "Should" have. That is the selling point which makes their fashion unique and only for certain body types. Now creating bigger sizes and having wider variety of models doesn't increase revenue or bring in a huge margin of customers as most people would assume. They tested this back in 2014 and came to the conclusion that having a strict size which stuck to their brand had a more positive impact on their revenue over accommodating sizes that are for average to larger women. Their business exists to make money and to appeal to a niche of consumers who continue to support their brand.
pretty eyes. beautiful woman.
if victoria secret makes her a model i feel like they're are just going to photoshop her until she's unrecognizable
It would not be a good business move for a company that big and popular. They would get called out on it as soon as the model had to make a real physical appearance. This is why they hire models who are close to the "ideal" choice that helps products sell more.
Ok Ha-Neul - An example of something they would not do is make one their plus sized models thin when they obviously aren't. If that is what you are referring to then a huge company as Victoria's Secret would not do this. Their models are constantly doing fashion shows and on video media.
Ok Ha-Neul - When their models are that famous and public, it kind of does mean they won't do it. At least not to the point where they are unrecognizable (which is what you said). Some retouching is always required, but nothing that alters their appearance to the point where it's obvious to someone looking at the photo.
that doesn't mean they won't do it. they know people will buy their products and even when big companies are caught photoshopping their models the repurcusion is very light like when ashley graham was photoshopped against her will on the vogue magazine very little repurcusion and the magazine still sold
Honestly, I think VS should use models with a normal weight. Obese models are not in any way better than skinny models. Both glorifying an unhealthy lifestyle and depict a big problem in societies around the world. That said: Personally I think, she is really pretty.
But she isn't obese she's plus sized
American plus-size is a European obese
Okay, I have to correct myself, the converter didn't work as I thought: She is 177cm, not 155 ;) But with a weight "over 200 pounds" (one site says 215 and I woudl suspect 10 oder 20 more in somparison with other 100kg-womaen), she is obese.
Not obese?! Excuse me, but the weighs 90kg (200 pound) on 155cm (5'10) - that's class II obesity. You really seem to have a perception problem.
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She is not obese at all she does not have hardly any unhealthy fat, like that stored around the middle.
LOL.
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I don't know why people have downvoted this, look it up. Sebaceous fat that sits on the arms, legs and hips does not have to have a negative impact on your health. This lady's figure tells me she may eat a lot, but not unhealthily. It's fat that is stored around our organs that is most harmful.
Obesity is not pretty or healthy. It’s a Western picture of self-abuse.
Real women are all sizes and all beautiful. Stop saying thin women aren't "real." To hear this from other women is especially appalling.
I don't think she is pretty, she looks nothing like a model. The modeling industry used to look for women who are stunning, not common, average , cute enough but actually stunning, beautiful, unique. Social media and body positivity are ruining the modeling industry BC they are letting everyone into an industry they don't belong in. The truth is, even if she were thin, her face isn't up to par. Yes, a lot of today's top models are quite average but the plus size girls are getting their average faces in based on the politically correct social media scam. If she were this size and stunning, that would at least make sense tho she would still be an unhealthy size. But she's not stunning, she's pandering to heavier, average faced girls and trying to bully and shame Victoria's secret into giving her the career she mistakenly thinks she deserves. Social media killed the supermodel.
Be happy for, not jealous
All this proves is why they should have standards
Things like this are misleading. Yes it's a good thing to have variety and all that but she's still been massively photoshopped. I'm only 126 pounds yet her stomach is flatter than mine in those pictures!
Her pictures have been photoshopped. You can see smudges and transformations if you look closer.
At no point did I say she has a healthy diet, clearly she eats more than she should and probably pretty bad stuff but as I was saying she probably still exercises(crunches etc) which gives her stronger stomach muscle than the average fat person so her stomach, which is not flat just does not droop or poke out. I actually see women like this down my gym who will execise but will do nothing about their diet so will get this weird fat but kind of in shape body and will complain about not really losing weight because they're building muscle which is still under layers of fat.
She probably exercises which will give her stronger stomach muscle, i'm guessing you're not doing the same which is why her stomach is flatter than yours, she more toned although she still has a lot of body fat. I'm not trying to put you down i'm just explaining.
One more thing! :) If she does exercise and has a healthy diet, she wouldn't be that big. It's basic science. She just loves cake. And cake is terrific.
Having said that, I was being facetious when I said her stomach was flatter than mine. Of course it's not, she's a unit.
I'm unable to exercise a lot to tone my muscles as I have numerous health problems which include chronic kidney disease and osteoarthritis. I also sustained severe nerve damage when my kidney was removed and as a result I have excruciating neuropathic pain, which includes having sudden pain fits where I collapse to the ground and jerk and contort around in agony till it goes away, which can be anywhere between a minute and two hours.
Denial by a whalephant
you don't have the right to insult anyone you hardboiled egg
exercise is cheaper
So tired of seeing plus size model b*tch about VS. AND I'm a plus size model too! 1. VS is a business/brand. They can target who they want. Every business has a clientele and target market. Why is everyone so obsessed with VS’s advertising and business plans? We don’t see smaller women protesting about Lane Bryant. No one is boycotting McDonald’s because they don’t sell tacos. I don’t see any campaigns targeting Rebok to put out high heels. Sure, VS sells XL clothing and it would be cool to see them using models to fit all sizes they offer, but they don’t. So what. If you don’t agree with them, STOP PROMOTING THEIR NAME! Everyone sounds whiny and offended. 2. VS Angels are beautiful! Can we just support them? -Sarah Rose - Plus Size Model
here is an unpopular opinion, when putting the images on the side, I prefer the small size one.
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As long as it's healthy, I support all types of bodies
Yet another articly glorifying +size and discriminating any other. It's getting boring.
Oh, so many of these comments make me wanna vomit Instead of appreciating a beautiful women in her own rights, she has to be torn down. Not only that, but all beauty has to be considered in the context of either garment seizes or society- beware the beauty, it might bite you right in the.... Women are beautiful. So are men. And everything in between. VS does not cater to all people, only to a specific type, so that is that and let's roll on, sod it, plenty of companies out there. Beauty-Standards are about to change, they always did- it is a fluid thing, just follow history. Yet, I have never heard of anyone who lived a prolonged live because of extreme dietary measures: "Yeah, I am 89 and just look at my VS underwear"- never heard of that. We age. We are what we are. Some people shine brighter than others, because maybe they got the point, which is not tiny or voluptuous curves: it is happiness in the small things, pride in one self and stamina.
Well I say yay this is all true and she looks amazing. But please stop saying curvy women are "real". All women are real, they are diverse and all real even if they weigh 90 pounds. It's so disrespectful to say that a thin woman is not a real woman.
I really don't think this is about promoting obesity, I think is about accepting our body type.When I was little I was a little bit chubby and all of my classmates were laughing about my weight, and I always tried to get skinny.When I got skinny it didn't made me happy because everyone asked me if I was sick or something so I just stopped trying to please people.I am not all the time pleased with my body but I am trying to be.I think beauty comes in all shapes, not just skinny or cursu.
curvy*
Good on her!
Both are beautiful but I don't really see the point in comparing these two. I'm more the size of VS models so I don't mind the models are the size they are. However, if I saw models her size on magazines or online ads, I'd think that the clothes are for plus-sized women.
I am always missing the "golden middle" either too skiny or overweight too much, but there are many many girls who are not overweight and not skinny, have some feminne fat where its ok , not too much, as well they are not atletes and not size 0 and as well not wearing size 4-6, there are many average body type girls, so this in between is usually forgotten. When a girl doesnt look anorexic and the same time she doesnt look like a plus size...
P.s. for example Myla Dalbesio, size 10 , Katie Green size 12, thats an avergae and normal weight , looks healthy .
Large or small, they're all curvy.
Beautiful
Really good looking :)
Pretty girl, but I think the best way to send a message is not to buy their clothes until they make their ads more inclusive and diverse. Me, I don't buy those sorts of clothes because the industry has thoroughly and completely sold me on the idea that I (a "healthy weight" woman) am waaaay too gross to wear them. Not exactly great marketing, if you ask me :)
Obviously you are not their target audience. So what? Nobody says they have to cater to you, and nobody says you have to want their stuff. It's a 2 way street.
Beautiful woman.
Stop making girl feel like they are not beautiful is not a good think for any body victoria secret tall short fat skinny do it All ..please ...
What does this "prove" exactly? That larger women can wear lingerie? I don't think that was ever up for debate. If she's trying to say that they would look the same or better in the catalogue, that's still up to the viewer. I personally don't prefer her version. And why is it that some women continually chase things that don't want them: men, jobs, lingerie companies. If VS won't photograph you or make things in your size, LET IT GO! There are other places for you to shop.
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It drives me nuts How fashion models industries either don’t show their clothes the way they are. (They pin,spray,and tuck their closes.) Or they make clothes so impractical that no one but a model on the runway would wear them. They need more diversity and more practical clothing on show.
as a designer. it made no sense to show certain styles on just thin women, why. certain styles lend better to different body types. if my clientele cannot envision that piece on someone like themselves I will get less purchases. not everyone can envision. or should have too.
Somewhere in between 2 extremes as well?
Fat women never look good.Using curvy as a euphemism for fat does not work either
As far as I’m concerned, by producing the catalog they do, VS is proclaiming loud and proud that they are incompetent at designing clothes for anything but one body type, and that they don’t care About their incompetence.
Did we really need another one of these things? NOPE.
Sorry but this woman would not sell more "undies" than the models they are using now. She's pretty but she is still obese.
I'm so sorry, but I'm going to throw a really unpopular opinion... Every women are real, whatever their body shape. But not every body shape is, or should be, acceptable on a healthy sense, by first and foremost the one who has it. A woman must feel well with her body, but needs also to be self critical if her body and/or her lifestyle contribute negatively for her wellbeing. In lack of other factors, the ideal body of a woman is the one that brings proportion between height and weight, and keeps said woman physically healthy throughout her entire life, or the most of it. The model above, aside her undoubtedly natural beauty, is not curvy. She is overweight! I'm clearly overweight (and trying really hard to counteract it!), and I truly believe this is a bad acceptance of human body, not because is ugly, but because is UNHEALTHY. It is! Even if you have this body and semingly are OK nowadays, if you don't understand in time what is doing to your bodyyou'll suffer the consequences later.
you are beautiful!! thank you from a curvy momma!
Wow thats very hot :)
I struggle with my body a lot, and just knowing that I'm not the only one out there that is trying to change how every one else see's "perfect" makes me happy.
...I like big butts and I cannot lie!
Stop comparing big and small! Accept yourself for who you are O.J. the inside not by your waist size! Just because I person isn’t less than a size 10 doesn’t make that person unhealthy or not beautiful. I believe, based on how many times I’ve gone into a clothing store and sizes 10-14 are usually sold out or out of stock, that most women are these sizes and does that make them obese or fat or unhealthy? We are all built differently and have different DNA, come from different parts of the world with different ancestors so with so much difference it actually makes us equal regardless of sizes or height or weight! Beauty lives within and we need to stop making such a big deal out of the way we look on the outside! Who are any of us to judge anyways?
There are definitely smaller people out there and it's nice for them to have lots of options. But the problem is the average woman is not 'small' and that's the only size being targeted in pretty much every nice store like that. Skinny women aren't fake women. As much as larger women aren't fake women either. In fact some people are just naturally tiny or skinny. And they want to gain weight but struggle with that. As a plus sized woman (or fat as they really mean) I can't go into most high end stores and walk out with more than accessories in most. And there aren't many clothing stores that are either embracing women of all sizes or specializing in plus sizes. Those stores tend to be more expensive despite the fact they're marketing towards the majority of the population.
She is beautiful though my personal preference go to thinner women; it's just like that. Il think it's good to present different types offre beauty (I personally prefer asian and black women over the classic all-american blonde!) but let's not go as far as saying stupid stuff like "real women have curves" or "real size models"; it's implying that smaller women are not "real" and plain insuline.
Ladies love yourselves. I literally no lie was at a 36, 26, 36, in high school and was an athlete on top of the world weighing in at 128. Now at 45 I weigh in 170 pounds its more like 38, 30, 40. I just swam the length of the English channel last year, and am currently playing basket ball with freshman and juniors at the local collage. Who says big girls can't have fun. I have been happy with both sides of me, and my husband likes me a little fuller. SOoo be happy with what you got and as long as you are not a health risk to yourself be kind to your ego and body and by yourself some lingerie. Maybe even start your own chain of lace and lavishness!!!!
She's not curvy, she's fat. And to be fat is an illness and lack of strong will!
Sorry about your lack of strong will :'(
So all overweight people lack strong will?
In all honesty I find the curvy figure far more attractive, if the models Vs use were more realistic in their size more normal size people would be happy to shop there 😇💜
She's so pretty!
Noone would deny she is good looking but "curvy" is not accurate. she is large, heavy, chunky, big, kind of fat, not too fat but needs to watch it a little better, not as fit as she could be, and even too big to compare...why be PC when the truth is right in front of us. Again I would say pretty good looking, a little heavy for my usual taste but would not hesitate to say yes if she were willing to date... The only turnoff is the attitude to whine about the difference in a VS model and herself. There really is NO comparing, I would rather be with a NON VS model and be with someone that displays the actual characteristics I long for and look for. 10 bucks says neither are approachable to average persons but given this article Tabria is the clear winner and hopefully approachable, likable, and better looking in person
The obese woman needs to get in shape or she's going to have major health problems as she ages. She doesn't look good. She maybe fooling herself but she's not fooling me.
I don't think anyone with the name Mack Doggs has the right to be such an asshole about people loving themselves
Notice how her's look like they are real photos and you can tell the others are photo-shopped. So we are not really seeing what the other gal actually looks like. Too many people in media are definitely not as flawless as they make them appear.
This is the same model that had before and after Photoshop images on Panda a couple of weeks ago. You're being conned Panda.
Oh, so many of these comments make me wanna vomit Instead of appreciating a beautiful women in her own rights, she has to be torn down. Not only that, but all beauty has to be considered in the context of either garment seizes or society- beware the beauty, it might bite you right in the.... Women are beautiful. So are men. And everything in between. VS does not cater to all people, only to a specific type, so that is that and let's roll on, sod it, plenty of companies out there. Beauty-Standards are about to change, they always did- it is a fluid thing, just follow history. Yet, I have never heard of anyone who lived a prolonged live because of extreme dietary measures: "Yeah, I am 89 and just look at my VS underwear"- never heard of that. We age. We are what we are. Some people shine brighter than others, because maybe they got the point, which is not tiny or voluptuous curves: it is happiness in the small things, pride in one self and stamina. No matter what you all say.
Agree with everything, It's only the same in the modelling world for me!! We are not all chizzled Adonises with thighs the size of buses with a square jaw line and blonde hair and blue eyes! Get normal people! you would probably sell more but no we have to have these models and others in the female fashion side who desperately need a good meal. Also, this is a major gripe for me is this big fashion houses picking 7-10 year olds!! This is just bloody wrong!! Hate the industry!!!
It makes sense financially to offer a wide range of sizes including separates for those who have tops and bottoms that don't match designer's idea of what is "normal" or "average" proportions.
This is so true. It makes sense for sure. VS should do that. But they should use actual big women like in dove ads and not this fake representation of big women with the shape of thin women. Big girls don’t look like her.
It makes sense financially to offer a wider range of sizes to fit anyone interested in wearing their clothes.
I think she is beautiful
I would like to see them advertise more for the women , and less for the man. I understand sex sells. But tried of seeing this over kill.
the way I see it, this so-called "curvy" trend is a load of bullshit. That "curvy" woman right there is plainly and simply fat, and fat is not sexy, and it is definitely not healthy(I can hardly imagine what her joints will feel like by the time she's 50 if she doesn't lose weight, and joint issues are some of the milder problems that she'll have to deal with if she doesn't keep her weight in check. I'm speaking of diabetes and possible organ failure). If you really need to put a tag on people's weight, use healthy and/or sickly as the case may be
Nice
This woman is being condescending towards thin woman or prefect woman. Somehow someone who works hard and doesnt eat crap to maintain her figure is a "real woman" These people have no problem with woman wearing make up to look like something they are not. This fat lady herself has worn so much make to make her fat face look thinner than it actually is. I like the comment that said why are you trying make people who don't like you to like you. Its ture you cant force someone to like you. I am a fat guy and I don't expect think girls to like me. But I do get a lot of thin girls who like me for my personality and my intelligence.(yeah they think i am smart :-P) and some just fall in love with me and it doesnt matter my extra fat. I am just trying to get thin everyday. I Know THIS IS NOT REAL. I was NOT fat. I because fat because I didnt know what i was supposed to eat. I just didnt stop even after getting fat. I have no health problems because I am a vegan and now eat very healthy.
I’m a vegan and I’m perfectly average weight and height. Being vegan doesn’t mean you are thin or healthy really. It’s funny how there’s no middle ground in the modeling industry. They’re either fat or thin. Show me a 5’6” model who is 140-150lbs of evenly distributed weight. It doesn’t exist. Yet they claim to be promoting inclusion by introducing 180lbs+ women. That’s not inclusion, that’s swinging the pendulum. By the way, I’m not disagreeing with you - just adding to your comment.
But I am not going to pretend that my life is happy. I cant bloody jump. I cannot climb a tree like I used to. I can still manage up a tree but I know if I slip and fall i will be in the hospital. But not if I was thin and fit I would just roll and break my fall and would not even get hurt(I know its happened before). I know i will be able to please my woman much more if I am fit and have flat abs. I want to be the best version of myself. For gods sake Thin woman are Curvy too. Fat woman are fat. There were voluptouse woman who are curvy like mexicans. This one is a fat pig just like me :-:P
all sizes are real but apart from that both girls are gorgeous
VC is only possible after a breast reduction last year. The bras look nice, but not comfortable (still), and not functional, (still). Would rather wear one that works and doesn't dig into me than one of VC's bras. Still.
I'm sorry, but the underwear looks much better on the skinny modells...
she is NOT sexy and not curvy, but fat. sorry
Shut it down, everybody. There's no point in living if Barbar doesn't think you're sexy
It is a damn shame that we, as women, can't be just a woman!!! I am a curvy, 6' woman.......hell no, I am just a woman, period!!! I am proud of my body and have a ton of confidence in myself. My mama taught me well. Look at me and love me for who I am, not what I look like!!!!
Good point, we should all be able to be proud and comfortable with who we are! <3 Shame we women are socialized to believe we are never good enough!
It's time to live healthier. She's overweight, and I think it's horrible to make girls believe it's ok to be obese. It's just as bad as making girls think they have to starve themselves to be pretty.
So true! Bodies are beautiful, as long as they are healthy!
You're incredibly beautiful! Victoria's secret should be more inclusive and diverse. I would love to see Carmen Carrara and you stomp the runway in any Victoria's secret show.
With the exception of Renee Susann, I think most of these commentors listed have good points. What makes me angry is she is suggesting barring women over a certain height from being models, which is just as bad as barring women over a certain weight. The takeaway here ought to be that we celebrate the unique beauty of all women, not that we go from favoring one female image to another. That is what the Patriarchy has been doing for thousands of years.
OMG I WANT that yellow dress!!!
She is gorgeous! I wish I looked that good :O
This is the problem. The standard she wants to set is exactly the way it’s been for years. People would look at emaciated models and say “I wish I looked that good,” and we had to campaign for years to get rid of such unrealistic standards. Instead of being inclusive, we’ve just replaced thin with “chubby with a flat stomach” and girls are still looking at it, feeling inadequate and saying, “I wish I looked that good.”
I am tiny and I have to basically Photoshop most clothing to get some idea of how it might look on me. This is stupid. The average female is a 14/16 right now...how many size 2s are going to be shopping? Show the reality and maybe sell to the majority and make lots of money....
Iwaswith a ady 5' @" and 34 DD> VIctoria's Secret was the onIy pIace she couId find a bra.
34DD isn’t an uncommon bra size. You can find that almost anywhere besides young adult stores which typically stop at D.
Good for her. Would bang.
Let's be honest: "Would bang" and "Good for her" are two different things. Just because she wouldn't have troubles finding someone to bang doesn't mean she should be encouraged to stay that size and not make healthier choices.
Unfortunately, Victoria's Secret will *never* have a larger size model in their lineup. Look at how long it took them to include models of color. They "bragged" this year that they have more models of color this year than any other. Most of the rest of them, though, are skinny blondes, with a smattering of brunettes. They have an "angel" brand to protect, and while they *may* eventually produce larger lingerie, and even might have a larger print model, you'll never see a large model. At least in my lifetime. And yes, I'm larger. I just know what the facts are regarding Victoria's Secret.
I agree so much with the comment about being petite & curvy! I used to be a size PEC (Petite Extra Curvy) Now I'm PSC (Petite Slightly Curvy) It's still hard to find clothes that fit properly, without alterations. It makes clothes shopping very expensive and frustrating.
I find it funny how you use those abbreviations for the word overweight and obese. You're not 'curvy' you're unhealthy.
Hey, if she went from extra curvy to slightly curvy then she's at least going in the right direction. This is where positive encouragement should come in.
Being that America has 46 percent of the population as obese..about time they showed off what i wear and proud of it ..and even loss 96 lbs but health feels better and could lose more ,,but after seeing these pretty ladies,,think i am ok after all One-day-it...3356d6.png
Whoa! She's killin it!
She's gorgeous, and so much more sexier with the curves.
Both models are too skinny or too obese, try using a size 12 model between 150 lbs
And who are you? A model judge?
I love this woman so much. She don't give a sh*t about what people think. Mm SLAY GUUUURL SLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY
I think them Heffas know what Victoria's Secret does! And they know what THEY DOING! Now PERSONALLY, I prefer a Thick woman! A little Something to hold on to!
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sorry, but it looks awful... she has no business wearing any of that except the yellow dress. Fat is fat and unattractive, unhealthy, and should not be promoted... have fun with the diabetes girls!!!
So you have a ver pretty face but your still fat. Something I have never personally found attractive. I don't think promoting unhealthy body weights & the lifestyles that accompany them appropriate to normalize in the public sphere. Obesity is the #1 health crisis we face around the world