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Parent Wants To Name Their Son Elizabeth, Gets A Reality Check Online
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Parent Wants To Name Their Son Elizabeth, Gets A Reality Check Online

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Choosing a name for a baby might seem fun, but the responsibility that comes along with this decision can make it a bit intimidating. After all, the child will carry it throughout their life. (Hopefully.)

So when Reddit user Barbarian_On_Moon picked a name for their son, they wanted to get an unbiased opinion from the outside, and made a post on the subreddit r/NameNerds, asking its members’ thoughts on Elizabeth.

This parent wants to name their baby boy Elizabeth

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So they asked the internet to see what others think about it

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People thought the parent should probably “customize” it a bit and made a few suggestions

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Vicki Broadbent of Honest Mum believes parents are entitled to name their child (almost) anything they want

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There are many reasons why people consider a gender-neutral name for their child. It may be a family name. They may believe it will help to prevent gender stereotyping or sexism in their child’s future. Or they may simply think unisex names are unique, cool, cute, and fun.

To get more insight into this decision, we contacted writer, director, broadcaster, and founder of the parenting blog Honest Mum, Vicki Broadbent. “When it came to my children’s names (I have three) we chose a mixture of family names and those we simply liked,” she told Bored Panda. “While we made a list (baby book names and online searches plus chats with our families helped inspire), we waited until our children were born to decide. We wanted to see their little faces and whether the names we had in mind were a good fit!”

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“I think it’s totally up to the parents to decide what name feels right for their child,” the author of Mumboss: The Honest Mum’s Guide to Surviving and Thriving at Work and at Home added.

“I have friends who changed their children’s names as they grew up or gave them nicknames they felt suited their personalities more. I think X Æ A-12 (Elon Musk and Grimes’ son’s name) which was not approved by courts and is now X is where I personally draw the line as it doesn’t seem fair on the child to be reduced to one letter.”

Depending on where they live, local laws may restrict parents from certain baby names

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In many places around the world, however, parents can’t name their children anything they want. In the US, for instance, although the right to choose a child’s name is protected by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, most states do have restrictions.

Former Brette Sember singled out these:

  • Adding Arabic numerals (like 3 or 5) to a child’s name is not allowed in Texas and New Jersey, but Roman numerals are usually OK (as in John Smith III). Numerals that are spelled out (as in “ten”) are not prohibited anywhere.
  • Punctuation is often problematic. California won’t accept a name that includes umlauts, accents, diacritical marks, or pictograms. (For example, the state denied the name “Lucìa” and required the child to be listed as “Lucia” instead.) Kansas, Massachusetts, and New Hampshire also have similar restrictions.
  • Some states have a specific character limit for names — in Massachusetts, a child’s name can’t have more than 40 characters.
  • Obscenities are out of the equation. New Jersey and Nebraska have specific laws prohibiting obscenities, and legal experts believe most state courts would strike down an obscene name.
  • Surprisingly, some states don’t even ask parents to name their babies. In Connecticut, Michigan, and Nevada there’s no requirement to choose a name at all, or at least to submit a name to the state.

And while names are becoming more and more gender-neutral

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When Quartz analyzed the Social Security Administration’s public data on baby names, the results showed that, on average, the country is slowly moving toward using more gender-neutral names.

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They calculated a “genderedness score” for every American baby name and for the country as a whole. The score goes from zero to one — a zero means a name is perfectly non-gendered. That is to say, exactly half of the babies with that name are boys, and the other half are girls. A one, on the other hand, means the name is used exclusively for one gender.

The overall genderedness score was 0.97 in 1920, meaning nearly every kid had a name that was used almost exclusively for just boys or just girls. But it has been falling. In 2016, the figure was 0.946. The 1920 score is close to the historical average for names like Billy, Selma, and Otis. Names around the new—less gender-specific—number include Jerry, Aden, and Orion.

And while a boy named Elizabeth might sound a bit off, consider the following: in 1910, just 5% of American babies named Charlie were girls. Over 100 years later, girl Charlies overtook their male counterparts for the first time in 2016, accounting for 51% of the share. Also, no girls named Blake showed up in the data until 1951 but today, one-quarter of American Blakes are female.

Many disliked this particular idea and listed other less masculine names

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Mia Black
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think people should rename themselves if they want to fight this battle.

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Suzy Creamcheese
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I honestly can't fathom anyone seriously considering naming a boy Elizabeth. But then, I'm old enough to remember when there weren't any girls named Ryan or Sidney, so there's that... ;-)

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Deborah B
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

How about the baby's father changes his name to Elizabeth? If Dad isn't in the picture, how about Mom changes her name to Elijah? Fight your own trendy social justice battles, don't make your kid fight them for you.

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Brady Michele
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm ancient and every single day I thank the goddesses whoever the latest fad is named after for blessing me in not giving me children as baby brain should really be listed under "people too dumb to breed" Rename your husband as Elizabeth and give it 18 years to see how that goes!

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Corvus
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When choosing an unusual name for a child, the first and foremost question a parent should ask themselves is "Is my kid going to get bullied for hacving such a name?" - If there is even a small chance for the answer to be "yes", then the name should be rejected.

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Bryn
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Kids will always find something to tease other children about. Don't give them more ammunition.

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David
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Facepalm at parents who use their children for political / activist purposes. Leave the child alone. If you want to make a 'statement' just change your own name to Bruce or something. FWIW, a boy named Elizabeth would probably end up being called Eli, like Eli Whitney who invented the cotton gin.

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Helena R
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

A lot of (English) names have masculine and feminine equivalents, Steven and Stephanie, David and Davina, Evan and Eva, Paul and Paula etc etc

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Vermontah
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

John Wayne's real name was Marion. I never knew my uncle Bob's real name was Elmar until I was in my 20s. My name sounds like I should be walking poodles. I always wanted to change it but could never decide on one. You can tell the era by names. Brittany and TIffany are younger than Connie and Cheryl but older than Madison and Taylor

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The Original Bruno
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Marion is a man's name. The feminine name is Marian. See also Francis/Frances, and an endless number of names where the women's name historically had an "e" in at least some places (Carol/Carole, Vivian/Vivienne, Rene/Renee, etc.)

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Miss Frankfurter
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I immediately thought of the Johnny Cash song “A boy named Sue”. Sure, it’s a sexist world out there, but do you really want your son to be the one to “die on that hill”, so to speak? Every time they take attendance his name will be called. He is going to be made fun of by the boys and get bullied. If you want him to go through his childhood that way for the sake of your soap box, you need to think long and hard about your son, not yourself.

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Blinders
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It’s not sexist. It’s ok for some things to be gendered. Who wants to live in a boring unisex androgynous world?

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Lizz Lor
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I jokingly told my sister to name her son after me (I'm an Elizabeth) and told her Elijaben was the make equivalent 🤣 ....if you like the name Elizabeth then think of a similar/adjacent name. Ellis, Elijah, Billie, Elias, Ellison, Eliam, Ezra, Enzo....

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Sparkle
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

All I have to say is that kids are mean, so a boy being named a notorious female name would set him up for bullying in school.

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Upstaged75
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I worked with a man named Lynn. Yes, it can be a male name. But everyone just assumes it's female. The poor guy spent all day every day answering phones like "Yes, this is he. No, I'm not a woman. Ha ha, yes funny!" Clearly he did NOT find it funny. He was a young man too, so he has a whole life's worth of calls like that yet to come. Parents need to remember that their tiny baby will at some point become an adult and need to use the name they were given. No one wants to be signing their emails with Stardust McKinleigh Jones. :)

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George D
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is wrong on so many levels I suspect this was brought up just to get a rise out of people. Which it did.

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R Dennis
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Stop choosing kids names to make a statement! For meow's sake! THEY are the ones that will have to carry the burden of it. I am sick of these self-obsessed parents who treat their kids as playthings.

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Jeremy James
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I was very nearly named, "Job." My folks both wanted a somewhat Biblical name. But my Mom put her foot down on that one and said, "You are NOT naming our Son after your rolling-papers!"

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Der Kommissar
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If you want to name a boy a girl's name or vice versa, use something like Terry, Pat etc

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Mandie Zimmer
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Rule number 1 on the casual criminalist - don't write down your crimes. Rule number 2? Don't f**k up your kids. People seem to suffer from this delusion that kids are so sweet and innocent. But kids are some of the cruelest, rudest, meanest individuals you will ever come across. They have no filter, especially when they are younger. If you think your kid is going to be bullied for their name then the question is- why is making a social stand more important to you than your own child's physical, emotional, and mental well being? If making a social stand is more important to you than your child, then skip having the child and change your own name instead.

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Rinoboyrich
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If the OP is seriously considering naming a boy Elizabeth, maybe they shouldn’t have kids. This isn’t a joke! You can really screw up a kid’s head with a single mistake, and this is your first test… you have already failed. What’s next? “Should I convince him he can fly? Let’s teach him that fire tastes yummy!!! Here “Elizabeth”, stick this fork in that outlet.” You should seek professional help, and find an adoption agency that can place him with good people.

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John Anderson
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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't know why but I think of a Monty Python skit. "My names spelled Raymond Luxury Yacht but it's pronounced Throatwobbler Mangrove" . Or, just do what's popular now, make up a name with your own pronunciation. (As Popeye would say, pronunskiashun)

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Mickysixxx
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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I cant say anything here, I named one of my daughter's Frankie James

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ibyishimo
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Come on. This is a joke. And I fell for it, clicking on it, and so did the rest of us. And if someone really wants to name their son Elizabeth let them. If they had really wanted to do so, it wouldn't be on the internet.

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BenH
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

the mother should try to change her name to Michael or John but should not name her son Elizabeth

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Daman dan
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is the height of narcissism! Imagine branding your child for life to just push your own ideals! My parents were immigrants and named me a traditional name in their culture and always regretted doing so. I can't imagine what this kids would have to deal with...poor little bugger, life is gonna be tough!

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Jelena Putinja
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

not Elisabeth but great problem - I know grown man named Isabel - he is businesses man and has a lot of problems especially when he has to appear as owner of business where he has to prove that HE is ISABEL that has to sign stuff

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Anne
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Funny how despite being vehemently anti kid *I'm* the one not treating naming them for life like naming a pet.

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Pandroid Rebellion
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Tell me you need attention in any and all things you do without actually telling....y'all know.

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Lizzie Lola
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As both a mother and an Elizabeth, WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS?! 🤦‍♀️

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Maggie Hood
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Look, I'm all for challenging gender norms, but your kid is gonna get bullied by other kids and even adults. It sucks but that's the society we live in. I wouldn't want to put my kid through that for the sake of challenging something that's been around for centuries. Gender norms might not matter to you (and that's perfectly fine) but they matter to other people and they WILL make it known and probably take it out on your son.

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Ace
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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think one of the included comments summed it up perfectly - "No, your son will hate you."

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Mantas R
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

But why? What are your trying to prove? There are girl and boy names, that had been the case forever. Why this need to fight every tradition?

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Tom
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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This mom sounds like a narcissist and woke sjw. If she wants to fight this fight then change her own name or convince an adult male in her life to change their name to a female name, don't force that onto someone who has zero control over it. Also kinda sounds like she wishes she had a girl, pretty common among modern day feminists.

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Bad Ass69
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She wants to name her son Elizabeth? Look. In the dictionary for Dumb Broad! There is her picture! And a line of bullies just waiting to beat this poor child's a*s in school!

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Darin Brunk
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What is wrong with these people. Seriously......wanting to name a boy Elizabeth. Honestly this is really on the absurd side.

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Chuck Freiman
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think Elizabeth is a great name for a boy. That is if you want him to get beat up every day. At least once.

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Jeremy James
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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"You just have to follow it with something tough and cool and kool and tuff. Like, 'Bulldozer.' Jody Bulldozer. Nobody's going to think that guy's a girl. Anyway, Ms. Dozer..."

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The Original Bruno
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1 year ago

Deleted. I decided this response was impossible to separate from sexual politics.

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The Original Bruno
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

And apologies to any baby boomers offended by calling some of these people "historical."

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Eli Fordham
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6 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I was named Elizabeth (Female) I didn't like people calling me Liz so I told my coworkers I went by Eli (pronounced Ellie). Most people call me Eli until I correct them but Eli is a perfectly good masculine name. Don't forget Johnny Cash's classic song A boy named Sue.

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SeaLouse
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12 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I’d be willing to bet that the wife here is a special piece of work. No man in his right mind would want this for his son.

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Peryton
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Surprised that it wasn't mentioned that a lot of the suggestions for "feminine" (whatever that means) boys names are... traditional boys names! Llewellyn, Mallory, Ashley, Whitney, Aubrey, Shannon, Lindsey, Hillary, Kimberley, Kelley all used to be considered boys names not that long ago.

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Landithy
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Husband's grandpa was a Vivian. He went by his middle name.

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Argle Bargle
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Why do people have to try and be so 'edgy' and 'ooh look at me'. I'd change my name as soon as I hit 18. So glad my parents were normal humans.

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Ashi Mari
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You want to push boundaries with names, your kid isn't born yet, he haven't even chose his favorite color, so pretty safe to say he is far from having a stance on it yet. If you are AWARE there's a lot of stigma, then why do you want to put your kid through that? Change your own name or your husband's, don't make life unnecesarily tougher for your kid

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BreAnn East
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I hate my name and always have. I can’t image being a boy and being named Elizabeth. This mom is doing it for a trendy social norm reason. This isn’t the place to do it. The boy will hate his mom. This boy will always think his mom wanted a girl and named him accordingly.

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SeaLouse
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Wouldn’t it be both funny and sad if a kid with a weird name grew up, started school and just refused any part of it? “Stop calling me Jennifer, I am Jimmy” or vice versa.

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Max M
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Name your girl Hans or Wolfgang. Name your boy Tinkerbell or Katrina. Peoples jeezzz

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Bad Ass69
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You could name him Sue! But spell it Sioux! My name is Sioux. How do you do?

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Dean Bernales
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

A lot of people these days seem to think that spelling it different like that will actually matter. Kids still speak to each more than they will text, etc. when it comes to bullying. All they're going to hear is Sue... Regardless how you spell it.

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Jan
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Country music beat you to it. Country song lyrics How do you do? My name is Sue.

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Conan
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

this is a stupid post and is just there to bait people into arguments and debate which is dumb and is not a serious name she is considering and if it is she is very ignorant and I feel sorry for that kid having a mom project her gender politics into her child's life to only bring attention to herself for that she sees perceives as being brave or breaking boundaries in gender politics or something stupid like that🤨 SMH people like this are garbage

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Soso
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Well I know a guy whose mom named him Diana ...but now he goes by his middle name

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Nykky
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I saw a name on a headstone that I'd never seen before. Lavantia. It sounds feminine, but I could see it easily going both ways. Lavantia Pearson. I wish I could have known them, but they died before Arizona was even a registered state lol

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Lili
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Growing up, i had a guy friend named ashley. He moves, fast forward years later we meet up again as adults. These guys introduced him as "dave". I looked at him & said "hey ashley!" Turns out his name was david ashley. In elementary school, he went by ashley. But as he got older he started going by dave. Needless to say, his friends never let him live that down. I always knew him as "ashley" so it took me me a while to get into the habit of calling him "dave" lol

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Lisa H
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My name is actually a nickname for Elizabeth (though, Elizabeth is not my real name), that being said, I agree with the commenters that say they should consider the fact that the son has to live with this name. I don't know where they're from, but, legally speaking, in the US , changing one's name can be a long and difficult process. I agree that there are plenty of similar alternatives to the name and I'm glad OP is open to that.

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crowspectre (he/they)
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Honestly Eliza would make a great name for the kid. It's close enough to Elijah that if the kid hated it they could change it without that many problems, but it's still traditionally feminine

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Upstaged75
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

People are still going to assume Eliza is a female name. I would never do that to a boy. Elijah or Ellis is a perfect compromise.

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Kate Jones
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Name him whatever you want but just try to keep what's best for your child in mind. People aren't going to change, though. As progressive as we have gotten, there are always going to be people who make fun of boys for having anything feminine about them, and that's because they don't like women. To them, being a girl is the worse thing you can be. So if they play with dolls, or are too close to another boy, or cry, someone is going to give them cr@p about it. So teach your kid that isn't true or figure out a good nickname -Zeb or Zeth...I don't know...and he'll be okay. I'd prefer this over Moonbeam Astroshine. Or worse, the people who name their kids Hitler or something horrible that is going to cause them a life of suffering until they are old enough to change it. I think Elizabeth is a bit of a stretch for a boy's name, but it's your kid. My favorite name is Harrison and whether I had a boy or girl, that was going to be my kid's name.

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Hoody Hoo
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm starting the betting at $100 that poor boy doesn't make it through his first day of kindergarten. They're fixing to get that child murdered.

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Scrolling Panda
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm on the parents' side on this. I'm SO SICK of the argument that you shouldn't give your kids distinguishing features (like names) bc other people will b AH to them if they don't conform to perceived "normalcy" which, btw, changes every few years. Find a f*****g spine, people. Being different can absolutely be a wonderful thing and if the kid doesn't like the name, the parents can file for a name change or request ahead of time with school officials that a middle name be used. If someone is a D**K to your kid, put the weight on THEM to straighten up and be a decent human being. We shouldn't constantly be pressured to fit into a s****y, intolerant, unimaginative society bc someone might be a jerk to us if we are in any way different. I might also remind you all that 1, there are PLENTY of things people are made fun of for that they CAN'T control. And 2, people WILL find something to relentlessly and viciously tease your kid over, no matter how "normal" you make them appear.

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SarahBee
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That's true, but this is something that the parents CAN control. "Elizabeth" would get a SURPRISED, CONFUSED, or NEGATIVE response from pretty much every kid or adult who heard his name. It would be a CONSTANT issue he would have to deal with. Maybe he would be able to brush it off, but if he was the least bit SENSITIVE, it could make his life MISERABLE. Like you said, there are always jerks out there who like to pick on people. Why hand them AMMUNITION?

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Em
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Names are not inherently gendered. They are just sounds that refer to a person. If the kid doesn't like the name, he can ask to be called something else. What on earth is the big deal here?

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Jennifer .S
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yes because bullies always listen to the victim when they asked to be called a different name

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Mia Black
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think people should rename themselves if they want to fight this battle.

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Suzy Creamcheese
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I honestly can't fathom anyone seriously considering naming a boy Elizabeth. But then, I'm old enough to remember when there weren't any girls named Ryan or Sidney, so there's that... ;-)

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Deborah B
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

How about the baby's father changes his name to Elizabeth? If Dad isn't in the picture, how about Mom changes her name to Elijah? Fight your own trendy social justice battles, don't make your kid fight them for you.

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Brady Michele
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm ancient and every single day I thank the goddesses whoever the latest fad is named after for blessing me in not giving me children as baby brain should really be listed under "people too dumb to breed" Rename your husband as Elizabeth and give it 18 years to see how that goes!

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Corvus
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When choosing an unusual name for a child, the first and foremost question a parent should ask themselves is "Is my kid going to get bullied for hacving such a name?" - If there is even a small chance for the answer to be "yes", then the name should be rejected.

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Bryn
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Kids will always find something to tease other children about. Don't give them more ammunition.

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David
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Facepalm at parents who use their children for political / activist purposes. Leave the child alone. If you want to make a 'statement' just change your own name to Bruce or something. FWIW, a boy named Elizabeth would probably end up being called Eli, like Eli Whitney who invented the cotton gin.

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Helena R
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

A lot of (English) names have masculine and feminine equivalents, Steven and Stephanie, David and Davina, Evan and Eva, Paul and Paula etc etc

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Vermontah
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

John Wayne's real name was Marion. I never knew my uncle Bob's real name was Elmar until I was in my 20s. My name sounds like I should be walking poodles. I always wanted to change it but could never decide on one. You can tell the era by names. Brittany and TIffany are younger than Connie and Cheryl but older than Madison and Taylor

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The Original Bruno
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Marion is a man's name. The feminine name is Marian. See also Francis/Frances, and an endless number of names where the women's name historically had an "e" in at least some places (Carol/Carole, Vivian/Vivienne, Rene/Renee, etc.)

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Miss Frankfurter
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I immediately thought of the Johnny Cash song “A boy named Sue”. Sure, it’s a sexist world out there, but do you really want your son to be the one to “die on that hill”, so to speak? Every time they take attendance his name will be called. He is going to be made fun of by the boys and get bullied. If you want him to go through his childhood that way for the sake of your soap box, you need to think long and hard about your son, not yourself.

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Blinders
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It’s not sexist. It’s ok for some things to be gendered. Who wants to live in a boring unisex androgynous world?

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Lizz Lor
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I jokingly told my sister to name her son after me (I'm an Elizabeth) and told her Elijaben was the make equivalent 🤣 ....if you like the name Elizabeth then think of a similar/adjacent name. Ellis, Elijah, Billie, Elias, Ellison, Eliam, Ezra, Enzo....

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Sparkle
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

All I have to say is that kids are mean, so a boy being named a notorious female name would set him up for bullying in school.

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Upstaged75
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I worked with a man named Lynn. Yes, it can be a male name. But everyone just assumes it's female. The poor guy spent all day every day answering phones like "Yes, this is he. No, I'm not a woman. Ha ha, yes funny!" Clearly he did NOT find it funny. He was a young man too, so he has a whole life's worth of calls like that yet to come. Parents need to remember that their tiny baby will at some point become an adult and need to use the name they were given. No one wants to be signing their emails with Stardust McKinleigh Jones. :)

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George D
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is wrong on so many levels I suspect this was brought up just to get a rise out of people. Which it did.

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R Dennis
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Stop choosing kids names to make a statement! For meow's sake! THEY are the ones that will have to carry the burden of it. I am sick of these self-obsessed parents who treat their kids as playthings.

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Jeremy James
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I was very nearly named, "Job." My folks both wanted a somewhat Biblical name. But my Mom put her foot down on that one and said, "You are NOT naming our Son after your rolling-papers!"

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Der Kommissar
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If you want to name a boy a girl's name or vice versa, use something like Terry, Pat etc

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Mandie Zimmer
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Rule number 1 on the casual criminalist - don't write down your crimes. Rule number 2? Don't f**k up your kids. People seem to suffer from this delusion that kids are so sweet and innocent. But kids are some of the cruelest, rudest, meanest individuals you will ever come across. They have no filter, especially when they are younger. If you think your kid is going to be bullied for their name then the question is- why is making a social stand more important to you than your own child's physical, emotional, and mental well being? If making a social stand is more important to you than your child, then skip having the child and change your own name instead.

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Rinoboyrich
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If the OP is seriously considering naming a boy Elizabeth, maybe they shouldn’t have kids. This isn’t a joke! You can really screw up a kid’s head with a single mistake, and this is your first test… you have already failed. What’s next? “Should I convince him he can fly? Let’s teach him that fire tastes yummy!!! Here “Elizabeth”, stick this fork in that outlet.” You should seek professional help, and find an adoption agency that can place him with good people.

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John Anderson
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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't know why but I think of a Monty Python skit. "My names spelled Raymond Luxury Yacht but it's pronounced Throatwobbler Mangrove" . Or, just do what's popular now, make up a name with your own pronunciation. (As Popeye would say, pronunskiashun)

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Mickysixxx
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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I cant say anything here, I named one of my daughter's Frankie James

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ibyishimo
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Come on. This is a joke. And I fell for it, clicking on it, and so did the rest of us. And if someone really wants to name their son Elizabeth let them. If they had really wanted to do so, it wouldn't be on the internet.

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BenH
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

the mother should try to change her name to Michael or John but should not name her son Elizabeth

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Daman dan
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is the height of narcissism! Imagine branding your child for life to just push your own ideals! My parents were immigrants and named me a traditional name in their culture and always regretted doing so. I can't imagine what this kids would have to deal with...poor little bugger, life is gonna be tough!

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Jelena Putinja
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

not Elisabeth but great problem - I know grown man named Isabel - he is businesses man and has a lot of problems especially when he has to appear as owner of business where he has to prove that HE is ISABEL that has to sign stuff

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Anne
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Funny how despite being vehemently anti kid *I'm* the one not treating naming them for life like naming a pet.

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Pandroid Rebellion
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Tell me you need attention in any and all things you do without actually telling....y'all know.

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Lizzie Lola
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As both a mother and an Elizabeth, WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS?! 🤦‍♀️

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Maggie Hood
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Look, I'm all for challenging gender norms, but your kid is gonna get bullied by other kids and even adults. It sucks but that's the society we live in. I wouldn't want to put my kid through that for the sake of challenging something that's been around for centuries. Gender norms might not matter to you (and that's perfectly fine) but they matter to other people and they WILL make it known and probably take it out on your son.

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Ace
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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think one of the included comments summed it up perfectly - "No, your son will hate you."

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Mantas R
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

But why? What are your trying to prove? There are girl and boy names, that had been the case forever. Why this need to fight every tradition?

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Tom
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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This mom sounds like a narcissist and woke sjw. If she wants to fight this fight then change her own name or convince an adult male in her life to change their name to a female name, don't force that onto someone who has zero control over it. Also kinda sounds like she wishes she had a girl, pretty common among modern day feminists.

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Bad Ass69
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She wants to name her son Elizabeth? Look. In the dictionary for Dumb Broad! There is her picture! And a line of bullies just waiting to beat this poor child's a*s in school!

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Darin Brunk
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What is wrong with these people. Seriously......wanting to name a boy Elizabeth. Honestly this is really on the absurd side.

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Chuck Freiman
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think Elizabeth is a great name for a boy. That is if you want him to get beat up every day. At least once.

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Jeremy James
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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"You just have to follow it with something tough and cool and kool and tuff. Like, 'Bulldozer.' Jody Bulldozer. Nobody's going to think that guy's a girl. Anyway, Ms. Dozer..."

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The Original Bruno
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1 year ago

Deleted. I decided this response was impossible to separate from sexual politics.

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The Original Bruno
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

And apologies to any baby boomers offended by calling some of these people "historical."

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Eli Fordham
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6 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I was named Elizabeth (Female) I didn't like people calling me Liz so I told my coworkers I went by Eli (pronounced Ellie). Most people call me Eli until I correct them but Eli is a perfectly good masculine name. Don't forget Johnny Cash's classic song A boy named Sue.

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SeaLouse
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12 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I’d be willing to bet that the wife here is a special piece of work. No man in his right mind would want this for his son.

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Peryton
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Surprised that it wasn't mentioned that a lot of the suggestions for "feminine" (whatever that means) boys names are... traditional boys names! Llewellyn, Mallory, Ashley, Whitney, Aubrey, Shannon, Lindsey, Hillary, Kimberley, Kelley all used to be considered boys names not that long ago.

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Landithy
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Husband's grandpa was a Vivian. He went by his middle name.

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Argle Bargle
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Why do people have to try and be so 'edgy' and 'ooh look at me'. I'd change my name as soon as I hit 18. So glad my parents were normal humans.

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Ashi Mari
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You want to push boundaries with names, your kid isn't born yet, he haven't even chose his favorite color, so pretty safe to say he is far from having a stance on it yet. If you are AWARE there's a lot of stigma, then why do you want to put your kid through that? Change your own name or your husband's, don't make life unnecesarily tougher for your kid

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BreAnn East
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I hate my name and always have. I can’t image being a boy and being named Elizabeth. This mom is doing it for a trendy social norm reason. This isn’t the place to do it. The boy will hate his mom. This boy will always think his mom wanted a girl and named him accordingly.

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SeaLouse
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Wouldn’t it be both funny and sad if a kid with a weird name grew up, started school and just refused any part of it? “Stop calling me Jennifer, I am Jimmy” or vice versa.

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Max M
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Name your girl Hans or Wolfgang. Name your boy Tinkerbell or Katrina. Peoples jeezzz

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Bad Ass69
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You could name him Sue! But spell it Sioux! My name is Sioux. How do you do?

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Dean Bernales
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

A lot of people these days seem to think that spelling it different like that will actually matter. Kids still speak to each more than they will text, etc. when it comes to bullying. All they're going to hear is Sue... Regardless how you spell it.

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Jan
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Country music beat you to it. Country song lyrics How do you do? My name is Sue.

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Conan
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

this is a stupid post and is just there to bait people into arguments and debate which is dumb and is not a serious name she is considering and if it is she is very ignorant and I feel sorry for that kid having a mom project her gender politics into her child's life to only bring attention to herself for that she sees perceives as being brave or breaking boundaries in gender politics or something stupid like that🤨 SMH people like this are garbage

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Soso
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Well I know a guy whose mom named him Diana ...but now he goes by his middle name

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Nykky
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I saw a name on a headstone that I'd never seen before. Lavantia. It sounds feminine, but I could see it easily going both ways. Lavantia Pearson. I wish I could have known them, but they died before Arizona was even a registered state lol

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Lili
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Growing up, i had a guy friend named ashley. He moves, fast forward years later we meet up again as adults. These guys introduced him as "dave". I looked at him & said "hey ashley!" Turns out his name was david ashley. In elementary school, he went by ashley. But as he got older he started going by dave. Needless to say, his friends never let him live that down. I always knew him as "ashley" so it took me me a while to get into the habit of calling him "dave" lol

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Lisa H
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My name is actually a nickname for Elizabeth (though, Elizabeth is not my real name), that being said, I agree with the commenters that say they should consider the fact that the son has to live with this name. I don't know where they're from, but, legally speaking, in the US , changing one's name can be a long and difficult process. I agree that there are plenty of similar alternatives to the name and I'm glad OP is open to that.

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crowspectre (he/they)
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Honestly Eliza would make a great name for the kid. It's close enough to Elijah that if the kid hated it they could change it without that many problems, but it's still traditionally feminine

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Upstaged75
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

People are still going to assume Eliza is a female name. I would never do that to a boy. Elijah or Ellis is a perfect compromise.

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Kate Jones
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Name him whatever you want but just try to keep what's best for your child in mind. People aren't going to change, though. As progressive as we have gotten, there are always going to be people who make fun of boys for having anything feminine about them, and that's because they don't like women. To them, being a girl is the worse thing you can be. So if they play with dolls, or are too close to another boy, or cry, someone is going to give them cr@p about it. So teach your kid that isn't true or figure out a good nickname -Zeb or Zeth...I don't know...and he'll be okay. I'd prefer this over Moonbeam Astroshine. Or worse, the people who name their kids Hitler or something horrible that is going to cause them a life of suffering until they are old enough to change it. I think Elizabeth is a bit of a stretch for a boy's name, but it's your kid. My favorite name is Harrison and whether I had a boy or girl, that was going to be my kid's name.

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Hoody Hoo
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm starting the betting at $100 that poor boy doesn't make it through his first day of kindergarten. They're fixing to get that child murdered.

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Scrolling Panda
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm on the parents' side on this. I'm SO SICK of the argument that you shouldn't give your kids distinguishing features (like names) bc other people will b AH to them if they don't conform to perceived "normalcy" which, btw, changes every few years. Find a f*****g spine, people. Being different can absolutely be a wonderful thing and if the kid doesn't like the name, the parents can file for a name change or request ahead of time with school officials that a middle name be used. If someone is a D**K to your kid, put the weight on THEM to straighten up and be a decent human being. We shouldn't constantly be pressured to fit into a s****y, intolerant, unimaginative society bc someone might be a jerk to us if we are in any way different. I might also remind you all that 1, there are PLENTY of things people are made fun of for that they CAN'T control. And 2, people WILL find something to relentlessly and viciously tease your kid over, no matter how "normal" you make them appear.

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SarahBee
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That's true, but this is something that the parents CAN control. "Elizabeth" would get a SURPRISED, CONFUSED, or NEGATIVE response from pretty much every kid or adult who heard his name. It would be a CONSTANT issue he would have to deal with. Maybe he would be able to brush it off, but if he was the least bit SENSITIVE, it could make his life MISERABLE. Like you said, there are always jerks out there who like to pick on people. Why hand them AMMUNITION?

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Em
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Names are not inherently gendered. They are just sounds that refer to a person. If the kid doesn't like the name, he can ask to be called something else. What on earth is the big deal here?

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Jennifer .S
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yes because bullies always listen to the victim when they asked to be called a different name

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